The Big Lie exposed, in living color

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Well start a few wars that are un-funded and see what happens to the US treasury ?

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The job creators are concerned about taxes.
Without the tax cuts the
current hiring tsunami
would not have happened.

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Some people have the belief that they can use all of the resources and not pay on red cent. Let them tell it, they are taxed to death. I guess some people will believe whatever lie they are told.

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Romney doesn’t want to talk about his taxes. He wants to talk about jobs and the economy for which his only plan is to cut taxes for people like him. Am I the only one who sees how this leads right back to his taxes?

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the cat
but the presider had newt…

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Will any gop admit they were better off after eight years of Clinton than after eight years of GWB?

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“but, but, but…the tech bubble! (Had to get that in there!)”

yeppers … Clinton killed the internet star … or something like that

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“today the iPhone brings in more revenue than the entirety of Microsoft”

you know why??

because it is laced with crack.

iPhone is seriously one of the most addictive things … ever.

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If lower taxes for the wealthy, ahem, I mean the “job creators” creates for jobs, why have we been losing jobs since Bush cut their taxes in 2001? They expect us to believe that if we’ll just let ‘em cut some more, take the tax rate for someone like Romney down from 13% to, say, 7% or even zero, this will magically create jobs. Only a simple minded dimwit would believe that.

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Lets scrape the current tax code and adopt a consumption tax so everyone pays their fair share.

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” From what I heard, those tax cuts to the job creators ignited the most job creation the world has ever seen”

wait … wait … WHICH tax cuts??

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“Sounds like we need to get rid of some government…”

yay!!

let’s start with the DOD since they’re the biggest spenders

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While in the oval office, President Clinton presided over one sweet piece.

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Remember Ruby Ridge.

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“Sigh…. Jay, Jay, Jay…. why do you persist in assuming the current conservative movement has a connection with reality when it is not in evidence?”

hope springs eternal?

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Slick Willie?

Based just on the legislation signed into law, and just the legislation signed into law, the most conservative president we have had since Herbert Hoover is Bill Clinton.

The above is a fact. Easily checked out if you put the time into reviewing all legislation signed by every president since Hoover.

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Clearly, you guys are missing the point. Whoever said Republicans wanted to return to the roaring 60s!

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“leaving the private sector barely enough resources to sustain itself”

“As a share of the economy, how much have total taxes increased over the last 50 years?”

Jay and his self contrived GOP standards, like he truly feels them and knows what they are. It is true that the private sector would spend more if they had more, however your basic argument is void of one thing–the main thing, Conservatives INDIVIDUALS think we can spend our money better than the government. Therefore your figures on GDP themselves indicate that the taxes have risen due to inflation and it’s relationship to the GDP.

10 years ago what would a dollar have bought you ? what will it today ? you are taking more because the dollar is less, comparatively speaking.

You cant have your argument both ways. You argued 3-4 weeks ago that salaries were stagnant and have been for 30 some odd years. If that is the case then it goes without saying that the amount you take hurts more than it did 20-30 years ago, because inflation historically rises and the value of the dollar has been dropping for years.

by the way if you were absolutely correct then you would be saying that the democrats wish to raise taxes above the historic trend line, given the fact that you say they are what they have been for 50 years, and you guys want more.

One more thing. Clinton was the president who lied to a grand jury correct ?

Peace and prosperity ?

Somalia, Bosnia, Sudan…come on peace under Clinton ? He bombed more countries than Bush did.

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Looks like Bookman will be canceling his subscription to Newsweek

http://newsbusters.org./blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/08/19/shocking-newsweek-cover-hit-road-barack-why-we-need-new-president

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I’m much more concerned about the growth of total government spending and that little thing we call the defecit.

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My property tax bill 4 yrs ago was about 1600/yr. Last year it was 3900. Most of my neighbor’s property taxes at least doubled in the last four years. That might have nothing to do with the federal tax burden but it ups my tax burden to over 300/month.

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This will not deter the conservatives at all. They will simply say that if we reduce taxes and cut spending even further it would improve our economic condition faster.

Oh, they will dispute this because they *know* we are the most overtaxed nation on earth….until they want to complain about how Europe overtaxes their citizens for their socialized govenments.

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Yes I agree “Scrape” the tax code…….. do you mean SCRAP the tax code? FLAT TAX will curb the over burdening influence of the Fed Gub’ment on our private lives and it will help reduce the Fed debt because we can TERMINATE a bunch of pencil pushers from the payroll.

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Since Jay’s usual comment club anticipates/makes up all points of view on the subject and then mocks themselves to absurdity, it appears the discussion is over.

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Poor old Jay, you miss the argument, entirely, again (what a surprise!). Nobody cares what happens as a percentage of GDP. What people care about is how much they pay individually, and the utility gained by every extra dollar of taxation. In an average year, I provide the government with somewhere between 50% and 60% of my income. If you add in private school, because the public schools are no good in my area, it jumps even higher. This is, as you will agree, too much. Add in the consternation of knowing at least 50% of my tax money, probably higher, is wasted due to incompetence and criminal activity, and nobody in their right mind wants to pay more. My suggestion for liberals, if they feel compelled to continue to feed the Beast, is send in some more of your own money and leave me alone. These concepts may be too “high level’ for you to understand, Jay, but I hope this helps.

I enjoy your funny stuff alot better, like the global warming posts. Please stick to those types of posts. Been a fairly cool August, so far, so I guess global warming is over.

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As a conservative, I’m not as concerned with the tax rate as I am with the fact that the tax rate is not tied to the spending rate. When politicians can routinely spend more money without coming up with a way to pay for it, we get the mess we are in now. Right now we are taxed at a ground beef rate but living a lobster life style. I’d love to see a balanced budget amendment. Of course there will be exceptions to it but when citizens have to pay for the services they want, they may be a little more judicious in the programs they support.

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kayaker your property tax bill is higher because the cuts are trickling on down…State and Federal money is drying up, so the county has to tap its citizens to pay for roads…schools…fire and police. You know the things that taxes are suppose to pay for. Do you not want to pay taxes at all?

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My, how time changes things. Twenty years ago, Randy Weaver was shot and members of his family killed, including his wife, when reports of him selling two sawed off shotguns illegally surfaced. Now we have an Attorney General who gives guns away to drug cartels, resulting in the killing of hundreds of Mexican civilians and at least one border agent, while covering up the facts to the case with Executive Order protection.

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Do you not want to pay taxes at all?

Now you’re getting somewhere.

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Misty Fyed

August 20th, 2012
9:14 am
As a conservative, I’m not as concerned with the tax rate as I am with the fact that the tax rate is not tied to the spending rate. When politicians can routinely spend more money without coming up with a way to pay for it, we get the mess we are in now.

basically correct, but way too late to have been of any real use. if you (or “yours”) had led that charge in 2002 or 3 or 4 or 5…..you
might have had some credibility.

Right now we are taxed at a ground beef rate but living a lobster life style.

i assume you are speaking for yourself…..as you certainly aren’t speaking for me or the folks who are lucky to get ground beef

I’d love to see a balanced budget amendment. Of course there will be exceptions to it but when citizens have to pay for the services they want, they may be a little more judicious in the programs they support.

balanced budget amendment with exceptions….sounds like pork paradise

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So taxes have basically remained the same as a percentage of GDP!!!

But spending has not remained the same seems to be higher, especially entitlement spending.

Yep Bookman your right it’s conservatives faults cause we all know gown they are the knights for entitlements.

Oh right democrats want to engage spending cuts and tax increases.

Could you point me to the specific cuts dens or more specifically President Obama is proposing to cut spending?

If there is no plan to cut spending do the dens intend to be honest and tell everyone their taxes will need to go up to keep paying for all of their pet programs?

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Soothsayer,

Zillow is pretty far off base. I don’t think that I would use it to get a fair estimate of property values or of statistics regarding residential property. At least, it doesn’t fit mine very well.

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Jay supporting higher taxes for everyone? Say it isn’t so…

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Vast Right Wing

“. In an average year, I provide the government with somewhere between 50% and 60% of my income”

I’m skeptical Could you break it down, no numbers, just percentages, as in “Gross Income Reported: X. Adjusted gross income: .7X. Of AGI, fed tax .15X.

Or in you case, apparently, fed tax as a percent of AGI: .4X?

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…and defense spending is the same, in terms of GDP, but you libs keep harking about a bloated defense budget that needs to be cut.

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My property tax bill 4 yrs ago was about 1600/yr.

1600? per year? really?

And instead of being glad that you were able to avoid paying the freight for all those years in the past, you’re whining about why you have to pay it now.

Typical.

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Jay:

How about a little intellectual honesty? BOTH political parties have increased the size of government while paying lip service to wanting a smaller government. Remember Mr. Obama stating “I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less…” August 28, 2008? No?

Both parties are to blame for the mess our federal government has created. Thankfully, the states must have balanced budgets or it would be just as bad at the state level. Here in Georgia, some may not like the tough decisions that our political leaders have made but they have made those decisions and our budget is balanced.

Before anything in Washington DC will get fixed, the people “We the People” send there must change. I for one would like to see term limits enacted. Nothing will change until the people are changed!

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“A gradual return to the Clinton-era tax rates — not just for the wealthy, but for everybody — would allow us once again to reclaim control of our national finances. (And yes, at this point significant pending cuts will be required as well.)”

I generally agree with what you wrote, except for the above. This makes it sound like the bulk of the work will be done by tax increases. The reality is the bulk of the work must be done by entitlement reform.

Here’s what I predict will happen: Eventually there will be compromise and there will be tax increases and entitlement reforms. After a relatively short time, the media and mostly Democratic politicians will highlight instances where entitlement reform has hurt someone. Rather than make sensible adjustments, the entitlement reforms will be rolled back, but the tax increases will remain. The tax increases will not nearly be enough to cover the entitlements, and calls will be made for more tax increases. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Tax increases should be tied legislatively to entitlement reform, and the proportion is not nearly 1 to 1 because it can’t be. Roll one back, they both get rolled back.

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So, 20 years since Ruby Ridge. Thanks, resident righties, for reminding me of the milestone.

So any of your buddies got a Ryder truck rented to commemorate this one?

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stands for decibels, 9:36,

Nope. Only pointing out the fallacy in Bookman’s piece, nothing more. And if the lions share of my property taxes goes for paying for Bibb county education, and Bibb county has a 51% high school graduation rate, I’m not getting much for my buck.

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Only pointing out the fallacy in Bookman’s piece, nothing more.

I really don’t think a sample size of one (1) disproves any “fallacy” concerning the nation’s overall tax burdens as a percentage of GDP.

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CAN SOMEONE ON THE RIGHT WING SIDE TELL ME WHAT GROVER NORQUIST DOES FOR A LIVING? why do the GOP sheep in Congress worship him? Has he created any jobs?

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Jay, I didn’t say JUST FEDERAL TAXES. I said “taxes”.

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“The reality is the bulk of the work must be done by entitlement reform.”

Before you state that so positively, I’d suggest you check out the percentage of government spending that is “entitlements” You might be surprised at how low it is, especially when compare to the DOD.

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Only pointing out the fallacy in Bookman’s piece, nothing more.

In other words, who cares what’s happening outside of YOUR tax bill? If you think your taxes are going up, that’s all that matters.

Perfect encapsulation of the Tea Potty type. Screw what’s happening with anyone else. If it ain’t happening in your bubble….it ain’t happening.

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From what I heard, those tax cuts to the job creators ignited the most job creation the world has ever seen.

In India, China and Taiwam

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Bookman is right though……………………….YOU don’t have to pay for all of the new Government play- things that did not exist in the fifties…(an Army of TSA gare-rapers, giant brand-new courthouses and school buildings, an Army of DHS workers, several war..I meant overseas contingiency ops, etc……………………….).
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Your CHILDREN have to pay.
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Keynesians also conviniently ignore generationl promises and/or debt.

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“Fifty years ago, it took basically 25 cents out of every dollar to fund government. Today, it takes basically 25 cents out of every dollar to fund government. That’s the whole message of that chart.”

Except that fifty years ago we were much closer to actually funding the government than we are today.

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My property tax bill 4 yrs ago was about 1600/yr. Last year it was 3900.

Very easy top appeal and get it reduced. My father-in-law works on a local county Board of Assessors.

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Been a fairly cool August, so far, so I guess global warming is over.

HA HA HA…… HA HA HA………

Yup that drought in the Midwest means no global warming ever again !

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“Lets scrape the current tax code and adopt a consumption tax so everyone pays their fair share.”

As usual, a low information comment from the righties. Consumption taxes do not tax savings, therefore favoring the wealthy and penalizing the poor. Why do you cons favor the rich at your own expense?

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(And yes, at this point significant pending cuts will be required as well.)
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Watch it………….that “pending” word is a Krugmanian slip.
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Sneaky and Insidius……these progressives.

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I’m not sure how Jay and apparently a few others can miss the obvious upward trend in total taxation as a % of GDP from the WW2 era, when the total tax burden first crossed 20%, to the late 1990’s when the total tax burden exceeded 28%. There were the tax cuts of the early 2000’s and then the global recession of the late 2000’s (which significantly reduced tax receipts) to push taxes as a % of GDP below their peak levels, but they still exceed 24% even today.

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Been a fairly cool August, so far, so I guess global warming is over.

Lets see, last year, record number of tornadoes.
This year, record number of record high temputures.

Nope, global warming is still with us.

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One of the other small stories the chart seems to show me is that, although overall taxation is changing, the tax burden from state and local governments has increased at the expense of the federal government. Despite that, state finances are still in the crapper (see this past Sunday’s education article) and the it is hitting local governments hard. You may be getting Federal tax cuts, but when were your property taxes last cut?

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I wonder how many citizens were leeching off the government 50 years ago.

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Lies, damn lies, and Republican lies! Why let the truth get in the way of good propaganda? War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

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Milton, don’t you mean citizens in Wisconsin in 2008? how dare wunderkind Ryan; as a representative of the evil federal government; petition a private enterprise (GM) to keep a plant open? doesn’t Ryan know that free enterprise answers only to the market; and if the market says ‘close the plant’ you close the plant? geez; where is John Galt when you need him?

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Jay, America’s very first tax was a whiskey tax to pay the $100 million debt incurred by our winning the revolution against Britain. Thank God these conservative jackasses weren’t around then to try and take us backwards, for we might have no freedom at all, much less an economy worth saving!

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Speaking of big lies. It appears Newsweek has quit. Mostly a very liberal rag, It’s throwing Obama under the bus tomorrow….and backing up and running over him. Headline says’ Obama,it’s time to hit the road…Why we need a new President”……….BOO YAA…..Finally…… Ron Kessler writes a piece this AM saying this might break the dam and give liberal Journalist a pass to speak their mind.

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Jay, excellent post. Suggestion for future topic: whether there is something about modern conservatism that disposes it to a disabling, even dangerous credulity. There is an argument to be made, after all, that in 2008, both progressives and conservatives wanted to believe that President Obama would govern as a liberal. The former, faced with the reality — that he is at his core a pragmatic conservative, and has governed as one — has accepted that incontrovertible fact, not without complaint. Many conservatives, despite all evidence to the contrary, obviously still believe that he is a liberal. (And of course those that know better still push that canard, for political reasons.) Or to take another example: how have Republicans managed to convince themselves, really and truly believe, that Paul Ryan is a fiscal and social conservative, as distinct from an ambitious young man who has no difficulty being both for and against Medicare savings, both for and against the Obama stimulus, both an admirer of and disapproving of Ayn Rand, and so on ad infinitum, if that is what it takes for him to get ahead? Or, finally, to put it still another way: are these really “big lies” that conservatives are foisting on the rest of us, or is there something else going on here, less malicious but more disturbing?

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I’m a liberal, 10:12,

It’s about damn time. Now if we could only get Comrade Bookman to wake up……

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Tom Middleton; now that’s what I call a ‘consumption tax’! good point.

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Can we see a similar chart comparing expenditures please?

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And anyhoo……………………………Bookman probably considers Paul Ryan or Mittens a “conservative”.
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No who’s telling whom “the Big Lie”.

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This is like listening to socialists arguing that austerity is bad for debt relief – reducing spending and taxes pumps more available cash into the private sector – Clinton & Reagan understood this. Carter and Obama do not.

J

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“FOAS, you will not be allowed to post under that name or anything like it.”

ooooo …

Freedom Of Access (to) Saltines??

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A few points. The percentage of GDP paid in taxes is a lot less important than the percentage of GDP consumed by government. It’s what government spends plus the cost of adhering to government regulations that is the real tax rate. As well, what is the money being spent on? If a larger and larger share of the money government spends is nothing more than income transfers, then that means that those who actually pay the taxes are getting less and less for the taxes they pay.

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It is always hard to disprove a negative because the believers in those mis-characterizations always have a convenient out; start another conversation.

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Jay, America’s very first tax was a whiskey tax to pay the $100 million debt incurred by our winning the revolution against Britain. Thank God these conservative jackasses weren’t around then

Oh, they had Tea Potty whiners back then. George Washington knew how to deal with them. All the free musket rounds they wanted, courtesy of the taxpayers.

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I wonder if those that keep citing the Newsweek piece actually read the Newsweek piece? It was written by a conservative journalists…but that doesn’t matter. Newsweek as a whole is disavowing liberal policies.

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The discussion is flawed, because you are talking about apples and oranges. Taxes, as well as the return on your tax investments, vary, relative to your location.

And, other non negotiable expenses, like utility bills(think Ga. Power), which are tied to the same political processes as taxation, should be included in any dicussion on the cost of government.

Intangible cost, like quality of life issues, determined by government policies, should also be part of the discussion. Choosing to not enforce immigration laws, for example, can result in severe costs(tangible and intangible), for some communities(Dalton, for example), while having no affect on others. Lowering your quality of life to increase someone else’s is just another tax levied by the government.

Another factor is the tax dodgers, who, state and local governments allow to shift their tax burdens to every one else(think Delta Airlines).

In other words, the current discussion about taxes doesn’t factor in all of the variables – it is oversimplified.

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Getting down to crunch time and the cons don’t care if they pay higher taxes if the gop wins.

They don’t care if the gop steals SS and Medicare.

They don’t care if the gop collapses the economy again.

Party first.

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Aquagirl, 10:25,

That same George Washington was the ultimate 1%er of his time with an accumulated wealth, of get this, 525M dollars. Of course, he would never gotten along with the liberals of today, including you.

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AquaGirl:

George Washington had a large whiskey business after the war. You can google it if you want.

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gadem

People like “I’m a liberal” have willingly allowed themselves to be brainwashed that anything they are not told is the “real news” is the “liberal media”.

Therefore you get him reading another article bout the Newsweek article and running to say how a “liberal” writer denounced Obama.

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Those Whiskey Rebellion dudes WON…(sorry about your gubmint school state-sponsored education that taught you otherwise.).
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They never paid the taxes.
And those mooching Federalies NEVER went back.
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Google it.

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That same George Washington was the ultimate 1%er of his time with an accumulated wealth, of get this, 525M dollars.

So? When he wasn’t making money, he was actually serving his country, and not by flying around Alabama for the National Guard. George and I would get along just fine. You and the rest of the fake conservatives who don’t understand it’s not all about you….not so much.

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Freedom Of Access (to) Saltines??

I think it’s “F— Off And… SOAR!”

(like you’ve never soared before)

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Jay, “Example of how you are wrong, you mean. Fifty years ago, it took basically 25 cents out of every dollar to fund government. Today, it takes basically 25 cents out of every dollar to fund government. That’s the whole message of that chart.”

Keep lying Jay….  The serious problem with this line of crap you keep feeding people is that 50 years ago, everybody actually paid their own 25 cents.  Now, your neighbor is paying his 25 cents and yours, and you’re whining like a spoiled brat that he’s not providing you enough stuff so should pay more, all the while knowing if your tax bill doubles, you’re still paying NOTHING. 

What about that is so difficult for you to get through your socialist head, Jay?

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Moralilty?

“Remember Ruby Ridge.”

Yes ………. remember that Weaver’s conduct, arrogance and irresponsibility cost the lives of his son and wife.

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I never new a communists who did not like government control–at least the oligarchy would like it.

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In other big news today, A GOP candidate was caught eating white bread.

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Yeah, RB is paying the taxes for all of us! Go RB!!

…err, get back to work so we can get our food stamps!

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“I’m a liberal……..”

Spin all you like. You did mention more liberal writers, did you not?

You are not demonstrating intelligence, yet again.

Magazines do not write articles. Writers write articles that run in magazines. The writer in question is not a liberal and you ignorantly assumed he was one.

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The poor cons on here. Paying property taxes and state income taxes and fed income taxes and payroll taxes and sales taxes and LOST and SPLOST and TSPLOST and they never ever get anything in return for all their taxes that they paid because everyone else gets everything and leaves them with nothing. If only they could afford a fainting couch that they could call their own.

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TaxPayer

August 20th, 2012
10:52 am

LOL, liberals sure are funny!

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Weaver’s conduct, arrogance and irresponsibility cost the lives of his son and wife.

My take-away as well.

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Nice throwaway sentence at the end that the real cause of our ballooning public debt is the out of control spending of the federal. Figure out (FIRST!) what the federal government should be involved in (OK, I’m a Libertarian with two children and would prefer that government not be involved in much of what it does today) and then tax accordingly. Then the tax levels will be correct. Even a liberal (well, most of them) must admit that you can’t simply raise taxes 50% tomorrow to fund our bloated government (that is what it would take from all sources).
As a ‘conservative’, I’d say that we remove government from large amounts of the economy where they’ve “crept” for the last fifty years, first. Taxes aren’t too high or too low, we just have WAY TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT. Haven’t seen diddly poo from the Prez, Senate, or House to deal with that the last four years, so vote them all out.

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How about publishing a chart of government spending as a percent of GDP for purposes of comparison?

Thanks.

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Did somebody say Niall Ferguson?

Hahaa ahahahahahahaa ha. Make it stopppppppppp!

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Hey Jay

give me your insider secret. Where do you come up with all the “facts” you qoute daily.

we should be on an even field.

by the way I love this trend you libs are starting to show.

Whats with this we are the patriots because we support the government taking your money stuff ?

some of you are actually trying to say the conservatives are anti American because we want less government.

Read your history folks–you cannot win that argument. No country ever revolted because its citizens felt their government wasnt taking enough in taxes.

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I think Republicans need Sex Ed classes…

http://www.buzzfeed.com/annanorth/the-6-craziest-things-people-have-said-about-pregn

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http://www.normanjohnsoncpa.com/fft/payingmore.htm

Seems this guy disagrees with you Jay!
Now he is only a CPA and you do write a blog, so maybe we should discount him.

Fair warning he did not use any colorful charts but he does say this……..

“Despite these differences we can make some general comparisons to give you a sense of how the tax burdens have changed over time. The U.S. Treasury Department provides inflation adjusted measures of “per capita tax burden.” The per capita tax burden indicates how much each person in the country would pay in taxes if everyone paid the same amount and how this amount differs today from earlier periods.”

And this….

“As large as that increase was, the increase in the per capita tax burden throughout the 1980s and 1990s was close to what has become a normal rate of increase, not the exception for the century. But let’s look back to what should have been a time of huge burden to Americans. At the end of the Second World War, the per capita tax burden stood at $2,505, up from less than $1,000 at the start of the war. So, while the per capita tax burden has risen 40 percent in a generation, it has risen over seven-fold, that’s 700%, in three generations.
So, are you paying more than your parents?  Probably so – by 40% or more.”

But again he is just a CPA and you do write a blog, so maybe we should just believe you.

I mean you’ve never been partisan about things before right, I mean you never spin anything right
 

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Mama Says

“Read your history folks–you cannot win that argument. No country ever revolted because its citizens felt their government wasnt taking enough in taxes.”

No, but entire nations have been brought down by allowing a wealthy elite aristocracy to literally starve the people….

Hint:Let them eat cake

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Mama – 11:02 –

is reading not your strong suit??

look at the bottom of the chart above – NBER

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Hint:Let them eat cake

That argument does not work on the Republican constituency. They like cake.

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Studies show that people who pay taxes feel more strongly about tax increases. I have no chart to support this.

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Well, I see where Augusta National has done let in 2 clunky ol’ girls. Ewwwww! What is the World coming to? Is nothing sacred, anymore?

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Oh, and by the way. I sure am glad to know I’m not a socialist anymore. Now, I’m just a regular ol’ garden variety communist. What a relief!

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“1) If you are talking about Ruby Ridge ……… we are a nation of laws. If you are indicted, you have the right to hear your case heard in open court. You do not have the right to murder a U.S. Marshal.”

it always scares the hell out of me when Scout and I are in agreement.

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ferguson was a mccain adviser and gop hack.

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I still say the House is up for grabs. This guy co-sponsored a bill with Rep. Ryan to redefine the definition of rape. Idiotic Ignorance is going to cost the Repubs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/joe-scarborough-todd-akin-rape-morning-joe_n_1810077.html?ir=Politics&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

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Augusta National adds first 2 female members

I never thought i’d see that in my lifetime. I said he!! would freeze over before they admit women.

I guess he!! has a winter storm warning as we speak.

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mama = low information much

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UnU, Scout thinks Romney ought to release more of his tax records, and he thinks it shouldn’t be so easy to get a concealed-carry permit.

He’s all right, sometimes.

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Mama says….

Not all….Mrs. Silly Pants.

Unless you are admitting to all of us here that you are unaware
of the number of people in this nation that live in poverty?

But yes….the 1…2% are akin to the French Aristocracy.

And frankly it’s sick of you to think that it’s funny.

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Bookman:

I do not understand why you waste your time and talent writing for a liberal rag. You should be in charge of the nation’s economy!

Corporations, companies and businesses do NOT pay taxes. Their tax obligation is added to the price of their goods or services and the consumer pays the taxes.

How brilliant to support an increase in taxes! That will take more money out of the economy and prevent any beginning of a recovery. Please not that I did not say, “slow the recovery”. There hasn’t been any recovery. An increase in taxes might permit obama to fund more “green energy” businesses founded by his campaign contributors. They manufacture products that consumers don’t want and will not buy, but it helps Obama with his fundraising.

Yes, Bookman, I believe you’ve nailed it!

. . . over $6 trillion and moving FORWARD . . .

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Corporations, companies and businesses do NOT pay taxes.

This inane neocon nonsense again?????????

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Jay, your piece paints the best possible support for LIberal policies but omits details that make or break.

First and foremost, while the taxes collected may be almost the same, the people paying it are not. Almost 50% of wage earners end up either paying no federal income taxes or get back more in April than they actually paid in. A smaller number of wage earners are carrying the freight. The federal government takes from the producers and gives to the those who do not.

If tax income has been about the same, why do we have such a deficit? While war spending that Liberals like to crow about contributed, the biggest expense has been growing entitlement programs. What has Democrats done to address this? More and more spending.

While the Left does not like the plan of the Right; all you have is more of the same. More spending, more borrowing, more growing the federal government.

I think Newsweek hit the nail on the head – it’s time for Obama to hit the road – go to retirement – live off the tax payers the rest of his life. After all, that’s all he knows.

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dB – 11:26 – stop. you’re blowing my mind, man!

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” levies a 3.8 percent Medicare tax on investment income for couples making more than $250,000 or individuals making more than $200,000 a year”

ohnoes!!!

3.8% on a quarter million!!!

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The problem with our economy is caused by private capital not government interference or too much government. Somewhere we have confused our values of how we conduct ourselves privately and how we express ourselves publicly. The economy over borrowed privately and was allowed to by private capital investors and banks easy credit which gave us a false sense of security and gave them huge profits. Then the government under Bush bails these facilitators out of there poor decisions leaving the middle class to suffer, while the facilitators kept their wealth for doing a horrible job and then turn on the new government daring them to touch them. They got the woman pregnant and now do not want to pay child support leaving the middle class to fend for itself. If the economy was fair and if these bandits had been allowed to go under like the nature of economics calls for new opportunity arises for up current in the middle class making them the new rich and beneficiaries of this fortune and the cause of the problems goes to the back of the line. When people say the whole world would have gone into depression if we had not bail the banks out, we say the middle class is in a depression and the rich that caused it are not, the world would not be much different to our sight. Now not only do you have a world propped up by government but a government very well looking at bankruptcy in the future itself. And it will be aided in this quest for bankruptcy by a Tea Party now and only now being obstructionist, claiming no credit for us being in this position in the first place.

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

Augusta National = He-man Woman Haters club.
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Augusta National = A private club that can do what it wants. It has the freedom to choose its members, and that freedom burns liberals.

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The current tax code as muddled and complicated as it is, how does any of us that file income tax returns not be a tax cheat? If you have ever been audited and have had to be additional taxes for a tax year because of filing errors, were you not a tax cheat?

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This entire conversation is about the short term, a blip on the radar screen of time. I don’t want to step on anyone’s toes, but the D vs R argument is nearing an ironic end.

A democracy is based on mathmatics. You don’t have to be the firstest with the mostest, just the mostest.

The current irreversible shift in the country’s demographics, which favors the Democrats, can be completely attributed to the Repubicans.

While the Republican electorate was focused on weighty issues like gay marriage and guns, the relative handful at the top, were opening the country’s floodgates for a short term source of cheap labor(all Democrats), without any consideration as to the long term effects on their party.

In other words, while successfully distracting the clueless(majority of the party), they literally sold the rope to hang themselves, along with the rest of the party.

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…and that freedom burns liberals.

No but by all means continue to speak for me, sport.

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Nice pic of Ryan and Akin:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/19/712251/how-todd-akin-and-paul-ryan-partnered-to-redefine-rape/

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Augusta National adds first 2 female members

Well, it’s a sad day for us men. Most of us go to the golf course to get away from the nagging and honey-do lists. Now we’re going to get a steady diet of 6-hr. rounds behind a bunch of cookie-bakers. This ain’t right. And I knew it was bound to come when I seen that picture of this Karen Handel and that awful swing on the front of the Neighbor newspaper a couple years ago. I just hope they don’t invade Billy Bob’s.

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“ohnoes!!!

3.8% on a quarter million!!!”

Usinuk took her ignorant pills this AM I see. May have OD’d.

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“but that’s okay because they can afford it more”

even Adam Smith said that it was a moral imperative that the wealthy paid more

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To My hard-core republican friends and family perception is reality when it comes to taxes. The problem is their perception is based on willful ignorance of the facts, such as the data presented. However, we don’t have a taxing problem, we have a spending problem. Government is trying to be all things to all people without letting people just be people in many instances of life.

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Erwin – obviously, they don’t, given what we DO know about Mittens and his returns.

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Gadem @ 10:28
The Aug. 6th cover of Newsweek featured a picture of Romney with the title “Romney the wimp” so your bias against liberal comment is false. Your comments attacking Niall Ferguson are sad because you can’t defend the text of the article and have to attack him personally. Ferguson essentially summarizes what everybody already knows- the Obama agenda has been a miserable failure. The challenge now is for Obama to actually release a plan to address the issues facing America: entitlement reform, tax reform, energy independence, national security, etc.The trustees of Social Security announced last month that Social Security disability insurance will be insolvent by 2016. Other than taxing the rich, does Obama have a plan? As far as Jay’s pretty chart goes, I would argue that the economic growth of the Clinton years was a result of the capital gains rate being lowered and not income tax rate increases. Of course Obama wants to raise both the capital gains rate and the dividend tax rate. These increases will not generate the revenue Obama thinks, will injure retirees looking to supplement income, and encourage investment overseas. The Obama administration is intellectually bankrupt, has no new ideas to solve anything, and has to go.

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USinUK – Erwin – obviously, they don’t, given what we DO know about Mittens and his returns.
Mitt paid $6-7M in 1 year
what did you pay?

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I’ll tell you who I am a water carrier for: the people who don’t want to improve their lot in life; people who declare that things ‘just aren’t fair’ and so someone else should subsidize the standard of living of what they think they’re entitled to; the able bodied people who ask you for change outside gas stations who think they shouldn’t need to work; the people who say ‘my occupation is X’ and collect unemployment instead of taking a job that is not X or retraining for another job. And quite frankly, I’m tired of carrying the water for THOSE people.

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“Mitt paid $6-7M in 1 year what did you pay?”

And that is WHAT %%% of his income??? and what %%% SHOULD he be paying???

sorry, but dollars don’t interest me – percentage does.

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Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said Monday that he thinks Mitt Romney should pay a higher tax rate, calling the rate he pays on his investments “weird.”

“I personally — if I were designing the tax code — would have a tax code in which Mitt Romney paid more than 13 percent, given what I know about the kind of investments he made money from,” Kristol said

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/bill-kristol-mitt-romney-tax-rate_n_1810512.html

I mean, criminey – when your own SIDE says you’re not paying your fair share, that speaks VOLUMES

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JKL2, go cry to your mommy.

Though you can’t, times change…

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A bit off topic… I just saw a film on one of the movie channels called ‘INSIDE JOB’. It’s about the financial crisis that has led to us to where we sit today. It’s an eye opener with a lot of white collar bad guys in the middle of this mess. None of them lost a penny while hundreds of thousands lost everything. In fact they’re still making ridiculous amouts of money off the backs of the middle class and poor. Here’s a short storyline:

‘Inside Job’ provides a comprehensive analysis of the global financial crisis of 2008, which at a cost over $20 trillion, caused millions of people to lose their jobs and homes in the worst recession since the Great Depression, and nearly resulted in a global financial collapse. Through exhaustive research and extensive interviews with key financial insiders, politicians, journalists, and academics, the film traces the rise of a rogue industry which has corrupted politics, regulation, and academia.

Check it out if you can, but be warned… you’ll be mad as hell.

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Erwin don’t do percentages.

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USinUK, “sorry, but dollars don’t interest me – percentage does.”
 
I call BS!!!  Most of you people whining about Mitt’s 13% are paying 0% and whining as if it’s not fair.  And you’re comparing capital gains tax rates to income tax rates and you know thats apples and oranges. 
 
AND, just so we’re clear, MITT ROMNEY DID NOT WRITE THE TAX CODE.  He would have to be a complete idiot to pay more than he’s required to.  Your favorite son Warren Buffet who thinks he should pay more is in court with the IRS trying to keep his company from paying what it does owe much less more. 
 
Geez, the wealth envy from you liberals is just pathetic.

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So the liberals have been lying all along that the rich are gettting richer while the poor are getting poorer and therr reasoning for this is tax cuts for the rich! Thank you Jay for bringing out the truth. I knew the left were lying therough their teeth just trying to stir up class warfare.

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Mama says crocodiles are so ornery ’cause they have all them teeth and no toothbrush…Mama, you are wrong again.

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In this political climate dominated by false notions about taxation is that

the great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived

and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.

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@Mighty Righty

August 20th, 2012
12:32 pm
So the liberals have been lying all along that the rich are gettting richer while the poor are getting poorer and therr reasoning for this is tax cuts for the rich! Thank you Jay for bringing out the truth. I knew the left were lying therough their teeth just trying to stir up class warfare.

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LIBERALS LYING?

I don’t think so.

CONS have the market on lying.

Just listen to Myth Robme.

The truth ain’t in him

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There seems to be a predominance of Bubbathink on this blog.

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When Mitt said he never paid less than 13% in taxes, was he referring to all taxes including property and sales tax or just income taxes??? there is only one way to find out.

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Scout, you like this right-winger Romney, because he’s of the right. Right?

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By definition, if the statement comes from a “Conservative” it is a lie. That is why I quit the Republican Party after 40 years.

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Wrong question. Give Washington more money, less money, whatever. The government cannot solve any problem. It is hopelessly broken. Why focus on the wrong thing. Cut spending to every foreign concern by 20%, now. Obviously this is not a long term solution.

Spending needs to be stated by its real cost. Cost + interest. Government needs to balance the budget based on those numbers.

It is ridiculous that we are made to think that the middle class should feel guilty by thinking that the government should make good on the promise of social security. We paid our money to a ponzie scheme. They made the promise and accepted our money. Cut money to other concerns. We need to insist that they make good on their promise.

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