Charter-school issue a drain on public education

Note: This post contains material published here earlier. It is posted here as the electronic version of my Sunday AJC column.

“The provision of an adequate public education for the citizens shall be a primary obligation of the State of Georgia. Public education for the citizens prior to the college or post-secondary level shall be free and shall be provided for by taxation.”

— Article VIII, Section I of the Georgia Constitution

As the Georgia Constitution makes clear, public education is supposed to be a primary obligation of state government. Yet in the 2009-1010 school year, legislators financed just 37.8 percent of the cost of educating Georgia students, leaving local government to cover most of the remainder.

It wasn’t always this way. In fact, 20 years ago, the state financed 51.2 percent of the cost of educating Georgia students, leaving local governments to pick up 37.8 percent. (The remainder is covered by federal dollars.) As recently as 10 years ago, the state still honored its constitutional obligation by picking up considerably more of the cost than local governments. But that changed rather quickly beginning in 2003-2004. That year — the first year in which Republicans controlled the state budgeting process — the state share of financing education fell significantly, and it has continued to fall ever since. The trend has allowed state elected leaders to portray themselves as fiscal conservatives while also chastising “free-spending” officials at the local level who have to raise school property taxes to compensate.

But here’s the galling part: As state leaders shirk the primary obligation assigned them under the constitution, they continue to take an ever-more-intrusive approach on non-financial aspects of education. The most obvious current example is the constitutional amendment that will appear on the November ballot. If approved by voters, the amendment will give state officials full legal authority to create local charter schools even over the protest of locally elected school officials, and to finance those schools with hundreds of millions of dollars in additional state money.

Noting that additional cost and the state’s existing failure to adequately fund public schools, state schools superintendent John Barge, a Republican, came out this week against the proposal. “Until all of our public school students are in school for a full 180-day school year, until essential services like student transportation and student support can return to effective levels, and until teachers regain jobs with full pay for a full school year, we should not redirect one more dollar away from Georgia’s local school districts — much less an additional $430 million in state funds, which is what it would cost to add seven new state charter schools per year over the next five years,” Barge explained.

Local school boards already are creating charter schools around the state as they deem fit, with local voters paying close attention. In Cherokee County, for example, charter-school advocates complained bitterly when the county school board blocked creation of a charter school. They targeted the school board chairman for defeat, hoping to replace her with a charter-school advocate, but they failed. Last month Cherokee voters re-elected that chairman by a large margin, in effect endorsing her cautious approach to charters.

The proposed amendment is intended to strip local officials — and local voters — of the right to make such decisions, placing that power instead in the hands of state officials who are already failing to meet their minimal constitutional obligation to education.

– Jay Bookman

398 comments Add your comment

An observer

August 19th, 2012
9:36 pm

I understand private schools and public schools. Why do we need charter schools and where do they fit in? I do not think we need quasi-private/quasi-public schools.

josef

August 19th, 2012
9:37 pm

A-ga-te-no

Unless I want to be different..? Why in G-d’s name would I ever want to conform? It ain’t American…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 19th, 2012
9:39 pm

“I’m afraid of a world run by adults who were never spanked and got trophies for just participating!”

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 19th, 2012
9:39 pm

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but are then shocked and offended to discover there are other views.” William F. Buckley

JamVet

August 19th, 2012
9:40 pm

A BIG anniversary week ahead for our American government-hating Republicans.

Twenty years ago this week the birth of the Death to America movement started in the GOP at Ruby Ridge, Idaho…

zeke

August 19th, 2012
9:45 pm

How true! Liberals are only about indoctrination our children to be good little liberal commie sheep, nothing else!~

RB from Gwinnett

August 19th, 2012
9:51 pm

“How true! Liberals are only about indoctrination our children to be good little liberal commie sheep, nothing else!~”

And there’s JamVet right on cue!!!

josef

August 19th, 2012
9:53 pm

And liberals are different from conservatives in this?

JamVet

August 19th, 2012
9:54 pm

And the stuck in the 1950s stupid RB opens his government hating yap.

As youhate our government so much, I suggest you check out Air Iran.

They’re ready when you are.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 19th, 2012
10:02 pm

Weaver was totally responsible for the death of his son and wife due to his criminal, arrogant and irresponsible actions.

1) He was indicted for selling a sawed-off shotgun to an ATF undercover agent.
2) He should have appeared in court to answer the charges.
3) He defied a federal judge and “holed-up” in his cabin in the mountains.
4) U.S. Marshals had his property under surveillance to try to effect an arrest.
5) The Marshals were discovered by his dog and retreated (as ordered) to avoid a confrontation.
6) Weaver (along with his young son and a man named Harris) PURSUED the Marshals.
7) The Marshals yelled several times for Weaver to stop but he pursured them OFF his property.
8) In the ensuing firefight Weaver’s son was killed and a U.S. Marshal was murdered.
9) Weaver’s wife was accidentally killed by the FBI based as a result of his continued armed resistance.

The above information is available in transcript or video form based on Congressional Hearings.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 19th, 2012
10:03 pm

The above “smily face” instead of a #8 is not intentional.

RB from Gwinnett

August 19th, 2012
10:03 pm

No thanks, Jammie. I’ll stay here for now and see if we can’t stop the slide into socialism or at least slow it down a bit. Have you considered a move to Cuba, North Korea, or China? You could have your commie utopia by the end of the week! I’ll even make you a deal. I’ll take up a collection from the other bloggers here who would be happy to buy your one way ticket under the agreement you continue posting from there and you never come back. Deal?

Any other bloggers want to contribute to Jammie’s one-way?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 19th, 2012
10:16 pm

Any other bloggers want to contribute to Jammie’s one-way?

I wonder what the answer would be if we query your employees about a one-way trip for you.

"the emperor has no clothes"

August 19th, 2012
10:16 pm

Newsweek Magazine
Niall Ferguson: Obama’s Gotta Go
Aug 19, 2012 1:00 AM EDT

“…Yet the question confronting the country nearly four years later is not who was the better candidate four years ago. It is whether the winner has delivered on his promises. And the sad truth is that he has not…”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/08/19/niall-ferguson-on-why-barack-obama-needs-to-go.html

G Mare

August 19th, 2012
10:17 pm

No, RB, re a ticket out for Kam. However, I might seriously consider a contribution for one for you.

G Mare

August 19th, 2012
10:18 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 19th, 2012
10:20 pm

"the emperor has no clothes"

August 19th, 2012
10:22 pm

Ryan August 11

“…No one disputes President Obama inherited a difficult situation. And, in his first two years, with his party in complete control of Washington, he passed nearly every item on his agenda. But that didn’t make things better.

In fact, we find ourselves in a nation facing debt, doubt and despair.
This is the worst economic recovery in 70 years. Unemployment has been above 8 percent for more than three years, the longest run since the Great Depression. Families are hurting.
We have the largest deficits and the biggest federal government since WWII.
Nearly 1 out of 6 Americans are in poverty — the worst rate in a generation. Moms and dads are struggling to make ends meet.
Household incomes have dropped by more than $4,000 over the past four years.

Whatever the explanations, whatever the excuses, this is a record of failure.

President Obama, and too many like him in Washington, have refused to make difficult decisions because they are more worried about their next election than they are about the next generation. We might have been able to get away with that before, but not now. We’re in a different, and dangerous, moment. We’re running out of time — and we can’t afford 4 more years of this…”

G Mare

August 19th, 2012
10:23 pm

Legitimate rape vs illegitimate rape? Seriously????

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 19th, 2012
10:24 pm

bman

August 19th, 2012
10:33 pm

If you guys want to raise 50k (cash only) + a one-way ticket to China, I’ll take it and go. Just need enough time to sell everything I own, then I’m outta here.

The thought of living around all Asian women frightens me like zero!!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

August 19th, 2012
10:40 pm

barking frog

August 19th, 2012
10:42 pm

Niall Ferguson is no more
reliable than the british
accented telesellers on
late night infomercials.

oldguy

August 19th, 2012
10:46 pm

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
― Winston Churchill

A perfect description of the current president’s political position.

Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak

August 19th, 2012
10:48 pm

Socialism — BOO!

G Mare

August 19th, 2012
10:49 pm

Hey, some of y’all need to Google MCP. I figure the ones who know what that stands for don’t need the education. Anyone who doesn’t, PLEASE CHECK IT OUT. Yeah, right, like that’s gonna’ happen. :(

bman

August 19th, 2012
10:56 pm

What’s MCP??

G Mare

August 19th, 2012
11:16 pm

bman, Google is your friend, but I will save you the search. MCP is male chauvinist pig. A prime example of this is Congressman Akin, who said said that women who suffer “legitimate” rape don’t get pregnant from rape because our bodies have ways to prevent that, so he is against abortion in those cases. In fact he also said he is against abortion for ANY reason, except MAYBE to save the life of the woman. See how that worked out for the 16 yr old who died of Leukemia because her country would not let her have the treatment she needed lest it harm her 13 week old fetus. MCP!!!!

bman

August 19th, 2012
11:20 pm

“Google is your friend” …I did google it. You can google this – HFSAY.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 19th, 2012
11:22 pm

moonbat betty

August 19th, 2012
11:27 pm

bman,

You just had to go and ask that question.

You get what you deserve. :)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 19th, 2012
11:34 pm

You can google this – HFSAY.

By all means go to China and wow the women with your obvious charms.

:roll:

G Mare

August 19th, 2012
11:40 pm

Sadly, Kam, I do know that. Palin & Coulter anyone?

bman, I am not going to Google that as I figure it will raise my blood pressure. I am 71 years old and I have suffered through too much of the MCP mindset in my life. That whole “pat the
Iittle woman on the head” has not worked for me for a long time. Of course, you can post it here (if you dare :) ) and I might read it, but I am Not going to go looking for it.

bman

August 19th, 2012
11:42 pm

Aw Kam .. . pretend she’s RB. All of a sudden, it’s not all that bad eh

G Mare

August 19th, 2012
11:50 pm

bman, if you are saying to pretend that I am RB, you obviously do not know Kam or me very well. Ah, “and so it goes.”

bman

August 19th, 2012
11:52 pm

Gmare.. .. You’re 71?? Why didn’t you say so?

Bernie

August 19th, 2012
11:56 pm

Very strange how the Republicans and the TEA PARTY and its many supporters Rail on Federal and STATE funded Programs like Food Stamps, Welfare and Medicaid. They rail and demonize those who receive and seek such benefits daily in the media constantly about how such citizens are destroying this GREAT NATION.

However, concerning the issue of the current STATE FUNDED CHARTER SCHOOLS proposal is somehow not “STATE WELFARE”. and this BRAND of “WELFARE” is GOOD and acceptable.

We now have their undying support and willingness for the Governor Of Georgia to proceed with an untested and unproven “NEW” STATE WIDE PLAN in the amount of $430 MILLION DOLLARS!

Maybe, the other WELFARE FUNDS come from a different country that has A state Named GEORGIA too!

Either YOU are FOR “WELFARE” or YOU ARE NOT!

The Hypocritical position of those who support such a plan is as embarrassing as a GOP Congressman that goes to IS REAL and get drunk then skinny dips “BUTT NAKED” with and in front of other Congressional family members on official U.S, Congressional approved and official business.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 19th, 2012
11:58 pm

Gmare.. .. You’re 71?? Why didn’t you say so?

She has, several times.

So why don’t you pretend that your mother or grandmother is G Mare and say, “Hey grandma, how fu*cking stupid are you?”

All of a sudden, it’s not all that bad eh?

Dr. Craig Spinks/ Georgians for Educational Excellence

August 20th, 2012
12:03 am

Inadequate funding for traditional public schools: How do we know? Who knows how efficiently, effectively and compliantly such funds are expended?

My remedy: Regular, comprehensive financial, personnel and efficacy audits of all our local public school systems and charter schools should be undertaken by competent, disinterested, out-of-state entities. Their unredacted reports should be disseminated to all electronic and print media in Our Home State.

bman

August 20th, 2012
12:07 am

Kam .. .. You believe that’s what it stands for? I don’t think along the same lines as you do.

I challenge you to search the blog and find where I have ever even said anything that would be considered R-Rated …forpetesakes!

UGJT – can you come up with something for that?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 20th, 2012
12:15 am

Kam .. .. You believe that’s what it stands for? I don’t think along the same lines as you do.

Okay, it’s time to get into Mr. Peabody’s wayback machine and revisit your original request.

bman

August 19th, 2012
11:20 pm

“Google is your friend” …I did google it. You can google this – HFSAY.

Well now, Let me google that for you and see what comes up, shall we?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 20th, 2012
12:16 am

Yep, there it is first on the list.

G Mare

August 20th, 2012
12:20 am

bman, I just did say that I am 71. What else you wanna’ know? I have 3 adult children & 7 grands. I graduated college, cum laude, when I was 51. I have been a card carrying member of NOW for about 20 years. I always vote for candidates who believe, as I do, that we are our brothers & sisters keepers. And I am truly sad & appalled that all the Christians do not follow the teachings of Jesus who said, “Love one another” and, paraphrasing here, what you do to/for the least among you, you do unto me.

I do not relish heavyduty theological discussions, but I will try to answer any questions you care to put to me. And if I don’t know, I will say so. Deal?

bman

August 20th, 2012
12:21 am

That’s actually kinda funny. If you would like to think I went to the urban dictionary to get some ideas, I’m okay with that. But, even though I may have thought so a time or 2, I’ve never called anyone stupid. To throw in a colorful adjective with it? nah…

G Mare

August 20th, 2012
12:23 am

Kam, I love you!!!!

Take THAT, bman.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 20th, 2012
12:26 am

If you would like to think I went to the urban dictionary to get some ideas, I’m okay with that.

Wow, you really missed the point.

I did exactly as you instructed and googled HFSAY.

I didn’t say you went to the urban dictionary, what I’m saying is that before you before you instruct someone to google something it’s probably a good idea to be sure that google is your friend on this.

bman

August 20th, 2012
12:32 am

Gmare.. .. You didn’t have to give me your bio because, I’m not giving you mine lol

However, as the election eases on in, I’m sure I will eventually ask you a question, or 2.

G Mare

August 20th, 2012
12:35 am

And I have to ask, bman, what the he$$ difference does my age make? What, you can’t beat up on old ladies? You think all older people must be senile? Gee, I truly feel sorry for the older people in your family.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 20th, 2012
12:36 am

G Mare

Please notice that although bman has vehemently denied being mean spirited with his acronym HFSAY, it has been over an hour since his request to google HFSAY and he has not offered any alternative meaning.

bman

August 20th, 2012
12:38 am

“instruct someone to google something it’s probably a good idea to be sure that google is your friend on this.”

I searched it…after. I remember not seeing anything. But, there it is

bman

August 20th, 2012
12:42 am

Kam haha…I hit random buttons on my iPhone.

Gmarr.. .. I’m nice to the 65 and older crowd. I’m extra nice to my parents, by the way.

G Mare

August 20th, 2012
12:44 am

bman, I have ZERO interest in your bio. Your ignorant, mysoginistic comments here tell me all I care to know about you. And, you are now on my Permanent Ignore List. Yeah, I get that you will not be bothered by this. Your loss!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 20th, 2012
12:50 am

Kam haha…I hit random buttons on my iPhone.

Well, I guess there’s only one thing left to observe then huh?

HFSAY?

bman

August 20th, 2012
12:51 am

Gmare.. .. By the way, don’t listen too much to Kam. He enjoys stirring the pot. Hes also said things to me that would (and do) push people to the edge. He pretty much has given up on me. And why? Because I kill him with kindness.

PS .. .. His mind works in mysterious ways. Ask him about his references to Asians, their eyes and cookies. : )

G Mare

August 20th, 2012
12:52 am

Okay, I am out for tonight. Please remember, bman, I’ll looking’ for you in the morning.

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

August 20th, 2012
12:53 am

Mary Elizabeth-

What happened with your big announcement that you would no longer post here?

G Mare

August 20th, 2012
12:58 am

Kam is my friend. You – not so much.

bman

August 20th, 2012
12:58 am

Gmare .. .. It’s okay. You’re certainly free to read, reply or ignore anyone you wish. You can even do it without announcing it. Of course, I’ve seen you make this announcement several times. And still, somehow, I missed that age thing. Oh well…

G Mare

August 20th, 2012
1:01 am

Mary Elizabeth, stand by your convictions, my dear!

skydog

August 20th, 2012
1:06 am

Don`t put too much blame on parents or schools for bad students. I`m not saying accept bad behavior, that will never fly,ever.

This is the flip side of parents who could care less about their child’s education.

My dad was a banker down in Albany. He came to me in 1966 and said that he and some doctors and lawyers were starting a private school. He said my grades in Jr High were not good and blah, blah blah.

I cut to the chase and told him I didn`t mind going to school with “those people”. Not an option, he said.

This school, Deerfield, is still going strong and is a great school. They hand picked the best teachers, had the best facilities, and it had real small classes. I got whippings every six weeks and lived on restriction. My parents did everything they could do.

But nothing worked.

I did not want to learn at this point.

They talked about military school, but figured I would be a threat to screw up the entire armed forces and the communist would come get us, so they dropped that idea.

They sent me to Ga. Southern in 1969, sold the house and got a 1 bedroom apartment.
I finally got the message. You can thank my parents that we have a strong military.

My dad paid a lot of money to back up his distorted views of how things should be, but he didn`t expect any tax breaks for his choice.

Steve-USA "None of the Above"

August 20th, 2012
1:11 am

Mary Elizabeth-

Your conviction’s were you were quitting posting, I knew you were just grandstanding.

skydog

August 20th, 2012
1:19 am

Same principals apply to the draft. If you get a bunch of people who don`t want to be there the training takes a looooong time. That war may be over before you teach me where 4th gear is on that truck.

When Obama suggested all youth serve their country in some capacity, like in the USA, that got spun into “an internal personal army to come and take over the country”.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 20th, 2012
1:25 am

Your conviction’s were you were quitting posting, I knew you were just grandstanding.

IIRC, Mary Elizabeth’s assertion was that she would continue to make on topic comments, but discontinue engaging in dialogue among other regulars here.

Bernie

August 20th, 2012
1:29 am

Just Maybe the Republican Candidate Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) may be on to something.

“The Female BODY has WAYS To Try and shut the whole thing DOWN!”

Being that they are the largest Voting bloc…..I Welcome their UNIQUE expertise. in Shutting ALL of the REPUBLICAN PLANS DOWN in NOVEMBER! :)

Ladies We need you in LARGE NUMBERS at THE POLLS come November…it seems that the average Republican and Tea Party supporter think you are a WIT-LESS TWIT!

I for one have a Healthier respect and appreciation for your contribution to America
and so does President OBAMA!

As far as LITTLE HORN & THE PROUD ONE, they have already TOLD YOU of their Plans!

Those Plans as stated, I do not think are in YOUR BEST INTEREST at ALL!

See YOU Smiling…..At the POLLS in November!

America Needs YOU………. and Your LEADERSHIP!

Mary Elizabeth

August 20th, 2012
1:49 am

I have just posted the following response to another poster on Maureen Downey’s blog on this topic. I wish to repost, here, to communicate my thoughts – related to this issue – with readers of this blog:
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” I am going to say a few blunt words to you now so that you might see. ALEC has effected your life, my life, and the lives of all other Georgians more than you are aware. It has had influence in the creation of this Constitutional Amendment, imo. Most of Georgia’s legislators – I can assure you – are aware of its influence, and it is past time for Georgia’s citizens to become aware of this truth.

Jefferson was a primary shaper of the ideals and values of this nation. He would be appalled at the prospect of the education of America’s young turned into a profit-making industry for the greed of a few, and that is what could easily happen. Just as Lincoln, in his era, knew that it was up to him to have the fortitude and the vision to continue Jefferson’s (and Washington’s, Adam’s, and our other founders’) vision for our nation, so it is up to us, the living, to now know what we must be about in today’s America to make certain that this nation continues to be one “of, by. and for” the people, and not a nation for the corporate, monetary interests of the few. If you do not understand that, you are missing the main point of what this is about.

I am posting this simply for your awareness. There is no need for a response. Thank you.
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From the link below, Jefferson’s words to William Giles in a letter dated 1825:

‘Jefferson wrote in 1825 to William Branch Giles of ‘a vast accession of strength from their younger recruits, who, having nothing in them of the feelings or principles of ‘76, now look to a single and splendid government of an aristocracy, founded on banking institutions, and monied incorporations under the guise and cloak of their favored branches of manufactures, commerce and navigation, riding and ruling over the plundered ploughman and beggared yeomanry.’ ‘ ”

http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/end-democracyquotation#footnote3_54erh5f

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Misty Fyed

August 20th, 2012
5:43 am

This just in….Public education a drain on Charter School funds.

Steven

August 20th, 2012
5:48 am

This Charter School amendment is not going anywhere in my circle! Why take taxpayer dollars and go and set up private education? This is sooooo not a conservative value. So they say! Conservative only want to be conservative only when it suits them. Just like Paul Ryan arguing against the bailout only to privately write letters to get secure some bailout money that he said will not work…..! Hypocrites! Charter school amendment….NEVER!!

stands for decibels

August 20th, 2012
6:02 am

Orange12

August 20th, 2012
6:15 am

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 20th, 2012
6:18 am

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 20th, 2012
6:23 am

Drudge

August 20th, 2012
6:56 am

Well, the solution is to obviously to throw more money at it – worked wonders in places like Chicago. In fact, that is the answer to everything. If you want better public education, move to a Republican area. It’s funny how those things coincide…

Everyone on here who is stating that the parents are the problem are 100% correct – do you think teachers forgot how to teach in the last 30 years or that kids got dumber? Nope – our society has come to view public schools like dry cleaners; drop them off dumb and pick them up educated. More entitlement mentality – someone else must do everything for you…

Judy

August 20th, 2012
7:08 am

Amazing, you are so focused on not funding charter schools. Well, for years the district run charter schools have been fully funded and it is exposed that our drop out rate is one of the worst in the country. Oh, it is about the money – not the students. Let parents and students make the CHOICE!

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 20th, 2012
7:36 am

“Legitimate rape vs illegitimate rape? Seriously?”

nope.

no war on wimmen here.

move along.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 20th, 2012
7:50 am

Don’t just throw money at the problem

[...]

Throwing more money at education is not always the best answer.

[...]

the solution is to obviously to throw more money at it

[...]

It doesn’t matter how much money you throw at school systems

“Groupthink? Us conservatives? Whatevah do you mean.”

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 20th, 2012
7:53 am

no war on wimmen here.

I have to say, Claire McCaskill has been doubly blessed by uniquely tone-deaf and imbecilic right wingers in her midst.

Thanks, right wing! we couldn’t hold the Senate without your help.

the cat

August 20th, 2012
8:02 am

Stands-how do you do that link thing and put it in blue? Hones question. Thanks.

Doggone/GA

August 20th, 2012
8:04 am

“-how do you do that link thing and put it in blue? Hones question. Thanks.”

Just copy the link from the address bar and then past it. The system turns it blue:

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/08/19/charter-school-issue-a-drain-on-public-education/?cp=8

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 20th, 2012
8:06 am

the cat, have a look at this:

http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_a_href.asp

and give it a try.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 20th, 2012
8:07 am

dB – “Thanks, right wing! we couldn’t hold the Senate without your help.”

welp, we have our own brand of stupid (islands tipping over) … it just seems that theirs if far more offensive.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 20th, 2012
8:08 am

is … not if

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 20th, 2012
8:12 am

we have our own brand of stupid (islands tipping over)

I’ll defend Hank Johnson’s less-than-artful phrasing, and where it came from (a perfectly legitimate concern about ecological sustainability) any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

August 20th, 2012
8:13 am

words fail:

“A year ago, my wife, Brooke, and I joined colleagues for dinner at the Sea of Galilee in Israel. After dinner I followed some Members of Congress in a spontaneous and very brief dive into the sea and regrettably I jumped into the water without a swimsuit,” Yoder said in a statement to POLITICO. “It is my greatest honor to represent the people of Kansas in Congress and [for] any embarrassment I have caused for my colleagues and constituents, I apologize.”

(snip)

These GOP sources confirmed the following freshmen lawmakers also went swimming that night: Rep. Steve Southerland (R-Fla.) and his daughter; Rep. Tom Reed (R-N.Y.) and his wife; Reps. Ben Quayle (R-Ariz.), Jeff Denham (R-Calif.) and Michael Grimm (R-N.Y.). Many of the lawmakers who ventured into the lake said they did so because of the religious significance of the waters. Others said they were simply cooling off after a long day. Several privately admitted that alcohol may have played a role in why some of those present decided to jump in.

alcohol??? gee, ya think???

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79865.html#ixzz245VTARPa

the cat

August 20th, 2012
8:15 am

Stands-thanks!

the cat

August 20th, 2012
8:18 am

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79865.html#ixzz245VTARPa

And we wonder why those foreenerz hate American tourists.

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 20th, 2012
8:18 am

UnU, just to put a slightly different sort of light on this alcohol-related incident:

I really don’t see what the big deal is with a bunch of congresspeople and their senior staff getting drunk during a trip to Israel and jumping into the Sea of Galilee. [...]

I guess I can see why Eric Cantor is upset. As the only Jewish Republican elected official in the known universe, he probably felt like an a-hole when he learned that his chief of staff and his then communications director got rip-roaring hammered and jumped into the Sea of Galilee. But, really, this can’t be unusual behavior in the wingnut world. You wake up the next morning, eat some greasy food, meet with Salam Fayyad, the Palestinian Authority prime minister, and then maybe go ask a clergyman for forgiveness. No one gives a sh-t.

Mary Elizabeth

August 20th, 2012
8:21 am

I just posted the following, on this issue, on Kyle Wingfield’s blog. Readers of this blog should also be made savvy to what is going on regarding the teachers of these special charter schools (that would be formed by this Constitutional Amendment). See below:

Charter Starter, Too: “The state chartered special schools are being given an OPTION (not a requirement) to explore other investment opportunities besides TRS. Teachers CHOOSING to work in these schools will know this prior to being employed and can decide for themselves.”
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“Your have chosen your words, above, shrewdly, which tells me a lot about who you probably are besides being a parent and teacher. If a given teacher has no other prospect for a job, because of teacher layoffs in traditional public schools, she/he may have no other financial choice but to work in one of these special charter schools. You, and readers, should be made aware that Rep. Jan Jones brought before the legislature in the last legislative session a bill in which teachers from these special charter schools were NOT to be given an option of whether they could join, or not, the Teacher Retirement System of Georgia. I read the language of Rep. Jones’ bill very carefully. Principals in these special state charter schools (formed by this Constitutional Amendment) were to be given the option of disallowing their teachers from joining the TRS. Their teachers would have had NO choice in whether or not they could have joined the TRS, once hired. If their principal said they could not join the TRS, then they couldn’t join it, even if they desired to. That is a regression in the respect afforded teachers as adults with full autonomy, and it reeks of paternalism toward teachers.

Charter Starter, Too, you are only disseminating surface realities to the public with this post of yours. Jan Jones’ bill was a bill that would have undermined not only the choices of those particular teachers in those special charter schools (formed by this Constitutional amendment), but it would undermine the TRS itself. The bill was pulled, fortunately, but its content should tell you, and the reading public, the intent behind its having being created to begin with. I will remind you, again, that Rep. Jan Jones is a member of ALEC.

BTW, the Georgia Teacher Retirement System’s funds are doing well because they are in the hands of financial experts who have the best interests of Georgia’s public school teachers in mind. Teachers, a few years back, refused to let the state of Georgia handle entirely their teaching funds’ investments, unlike other state agency employees’ retirement funds, and Georgia’s teachers have also refused to let Risky Venture Capitalists in Georgia – whose revenues fell to the tune of 40% according to the Atlanta Business Chronicle this past quarter – use any percentage of their retirement monies for their own risky adventures in business, unlike other state agencies, in which politicians have controlled other state employees’ choices, in this regard.

Most teachers are savvy to what is going on, stealthily, to their detriment, by some Republican politicans in Georgia’s General Assembly. Shame on them.”

observer

August 20th, 2012
8:24 am

Dems automatically oppose anything that may interfere with the dumbing down of American students…after all, if they end up intelligent they may not become part of the liberal stupid base.

FrankLeeDarling

August 20th, 2012
8:30 am

Republicans make me glad I don’t have children

Thomas Heyward Jr

August 20th, 2012
8:30 am

Statists………………………..Please leave our children alone.
Didn’t LBJ do enough?

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 20th, 2012
8:30 am

colored SHEETZ

Ronin

August 20th, 2012
8:30 am

Georgia schools rank at/near the bottom on national test scores and have for decades. How someone could attempt to make a cogent argument against trying a new program is beyond rational thought.

If you want your child to receive a quality education, home school them or skip buying the new 7 series BMW and send them to a private school. Presently, your child is a political pawn in the state district school system.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

August 20th, 2012
8:31 am

Observer,
You seem to forget the Liberal Mantra…

“We think, therefore we are Liberal.”

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 20th, 2012
8:31 am

Also, if you have to fall back on a term like “statist” to make a point from the right, you’ve already a) self-identified as some kind of Ayn Rand nutbag, and b) surrendered the argument.

headin’ upstairs.

TiredOfIt

August 20th, 2012
8:50 am

Last year, Akin joined with GOP vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as two of the original co-sponsors of the “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act,” a bill which, among other things, introduced the country to the bizarre term “forcible rape.”

St Simons- island off the coast of New Somalia

August 20th, 2012
8:55 am

The Georgia Republicans are clearly not satisfied with the speed at
which public education is being dumbed down & dismantled. They
are sure private for-profit jaysus bible schools can do this faster &
much more efficiently.

The Georgia Republicans want to give your tax dollars to private
for-profit companies to teach Georgia’s children that jaysus rode
on a dinosaur, and that ignorance is some kind of ‘folksy virtue.’

Man, back when we were civilized, and ATL was a world city
on the cusp of being a shining light on the world’s ‘hill,’
you couldn’t have even typed those words with a straight face.

Jerry Eads

August 20th, 2012
1:22 pm

Jay, I put this over in Kyle’s but with your permission I’ll repeat myself:

I will be forever fascinated that people who have the temerity to call themselves “conservative” would look to central control by state appointed political appointees as a solution to any disliked electoral process – in this case local elections (!). Who could possibly actually believe that such an approach would lead to better “parental control” — except, perhaps, for those two or three political appointees who happened to be parents?

We KNOW from an avalanche of research (and yes, I’ve read most of it in the refereed journals) that charter schools are AT BEST no better than the regular public schools they are intended to provide escape from, which makes them DISMAL FAILURES as a “fix” for anything about public schooling.

Yet we have elected officials who are virtually hysterical in their desire to centralize control of rampant implementation of them at the state level. How can anyone come to any other conclusion than that there are ulterior motives afoot – that most llikely have everything to do with large sums of money for someone – and absolutely nothing to do with the welfare of kids.

michael payne

August 20th, 2012
3:32 pm

I live in Cherokee County and have two kids that attend Cherokee Charter. They left an excellent public school (Johnston Elementary) so we are lucky I guess that if the Charter is shut down it is not the end of the world. What about the kids who are attending the Charter because they were unhappy with the school they were attending. They are being sent back to the plantation so the PTA and Dr. P can have their hands on all the funds. If the school board and the Dr. Petruzielo were interested in the students instead of the funds they would welcome charter schools. That way they get to keep the local money even though my two kids would not be there but that is not enough for boss hog he wants the local and the state money. I just trust competition and the school board is anti-competition as a matter of fact the board (Mike Chapman) suggested we all move out of the county if the schools are not up our standards. Local control starts with the parents and ends with the parents. The charter school is not perfect but guess what if I get sick of spending an hour everyday in carpool I have a choice (moving out of the county is not one of them) I can put my kid back in public school and let them ride the bus then I can put my head back in the sand and hope I get a government worker who cares about their job (do not like my odds) to educate my children. I find it amazing that I even have to debate people who do not know or care about my kids on where I can send them to school. True conservatives just want the money to follow the students it is pretty simple.