Ayn Rand, Paul Ryan and the issue of morality
In a more fact-based world, the centrality of Ayn Rand to Paul Ryan’s perspective on the world would be undeniable. She is, so to speak, the fountainhead from which much of his political thought flows. But rather than take my word for it, listen to Ryan himself, just three short years ago, laying it out explicitly in back-to-back videos prepared by his congressional campaign:
For those unable to watch the video, the earnest Ryan says, among other things:
“What’s unique about what’s happening today in government and in the world and America is that it’s as if we are living in an Ayn Rand novel right now. … I think Ayn Rand did more than anybody to build a moral case for capitalism, the morality of individualism, and this to me is what matters most.”
Again, Ryan’s voluntary, unprovoked and clearly heartfelt profession of Randian philosophy came in 2009, just three years ago, and it is just one in a long string of public expressions by Ryan of his loyalty to and faith in Rand’s philosophy.
More recently, of course, Ryan has attempted to pretend that none of that has occurred, proclaiming it “urban legend” that he had been influenced by Rand and claiming to “reject her philosophy.” However, if that’s true, this sudden change of heart has not been accompanied by any matching change in Ryan’s political outlook. It remains today what it was when he was still willing to publicly celebrate Rand’s claim to moral authority.
Why is this relevant? Well, Randian philosophy — “objectivism” they call it — is to my mind soft-headed, romantic claptrap that attempts vainly to masquerade as hard-headed, pragmatic economic theory. Its appeal is emotional, not intellectual. And while for individual persons, particularly young people, Rand’s work may be effective as a “self-help philosophy” and motivational tool, as the basis of a society or economic system it would be profoundly impractical and even cruel.
That shouldn’t be a surprise, of course, given that Rand rejected the existence of society in the first place. In fact, she treated the very notion of social responsibility as a conspiracy by which the weak parasites of the world attempt to seize the products of the strong and virile creators. In the video above, Ryan clearly buys into that world view, arguing that Randian individualism represents “the moral foundation of America.”
On that count, I personally find the witness of Thomas Jefferson more convincing, given that he helped to lay the foundation in question. Even back in Jefferson’s day, “self-interest, or rather self-love, or egoism” was being proposed by some as the basis of morality, but the drafter of the Declaration of Independence was having none of it.
Self-love, Jefferson warned, “is no part of morality. Indeed it is exactly its counterpart. It is the sole antagonist of virtue, leading us constantly by our propensities to self-gratification in violation of our moral duties to others…. Take from man his selfish propensities, and he can have nothing to seduce him from the practice of virtue.”
Ryan’s background also plays into the problem. Like his running mate, he is a child born into relative wealth and privilege. That does not make either Ryan or Mitt Romney evil, wrong, foolish or misguided. To the contrary, their shared background says nothing at all about their personal character or leadership abilities.
It must, however, affect their perspective, just as being born into poverty or struggle affects the perspective of those who experience the world from that end of things.
Knowing that you have been born into that rarified world, with all the advantage that it confers, ought to make you a little humble about lecturing others about lifting themselves up by their bootstraps. It ought to make you a little less arrogant about your own success, and a little more sympathetic toward those to whom raw luck has been a little less kind. It should make you acknowledge, to yourself if no one else, that you stand where you stand in part because of factors over which you have had no control, and to understand that others stand where they stand in part because of factors over which they too have had no control.
However, in Ryan’s political rhetoric and policy pronouncements there is little evidence of the leavening power of humility. The philosophy of Rand has served to inoculate him and others against such dark thoughts, whispering in their ears the reassurance that that their success is testament only to their own merit, and freeing them of any obligation to assist others.
I don’t accept that argument. It is antithetical to human nature and to thousands of years of human history in which the individual has had responsibilities to the group, and the group has had responsibilities to the individual. The genius of the American system in particular has been its ability to create a workable, ethical balance between those competing responsibilities.
The “morality” that Ryan proposes would toss that balance aside, creating a system the likes of which has never been seen, and which would meet no definition of the word “moral” that I, or Jefferson, would accept.
– Jay Bookman
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PJ
August 15th, 2012
3:21 pm
1st
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 15th, 2012
3:21 pm
A believer in a writer of fiction…you would think he’s a Catholic… Oh wait!
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PJ
August 15th, 2012
3:25 pm
Some people count their morals in dollars and cents.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 15th, 2012
3:25 pm
Ryan believes in the sanctity of the rich, The privilege of the monied. The rich should be above the law, and the common man is just dirt under their feet…all thanks to Ayn Rand.
As my Brit friends would say…”He’s a nutter”.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 15th, 2012
3:26 pm
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable … The other, of course, involves orcs.
Don’t know who said it first, but it’s spot on.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
August 15th, 2012
3:27 pm
This will go right over the Cons heads.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
3:27 pm
Is that Helen Thomas on meth?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 15th, 2012
3:27 pm
Knowing that you have been born into that rarified world, with all the advantage that it confers, ought to make you a little humble about lecturing others about lifting themselves up by their bootstraps. It ought to make you a little less arrogant about your own success, and a little more sympathetic toward those to whom raw luck has been a little less kind. It should make you acknowledge, to yourself if no one else, that you stand where you stand in part because of factors over which you have had no control, and to understand that others stand where they stand in part because of factors over which they too have had no control.
But that would be contrary to the “self-made” pride that so many falsely claim.
Good post Jay. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 15th, 2012
3:27 pm
But….I loved the tension between Cary Cooper and Patricia Neal in the film version of the Fountainhead….
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 15th, 2012
3:28 pm
Nicely done.
And ever so much nicer and more diplomatic than what I would’ve posted on the subject.
Welcome to the Occupation
August 15th, 2012
3:30 pm
It ought to make you a little less arrogant about your own success, and a little more sympathetic toward those to whom raw luck has been a little less kind
What are you Jay some kind of commie?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 15th, 2012
3:31 pm
Is that Helen Thomas on meth?
You know, I rather liked Ms. Thomas. Feisty lady that one…
[OW! stop it, josef! that hurts!]
PJ
August 15th, 2012
3:31 pm
He and Romney both are wolves in sheeps clothing. If they are elected look for war, more breaks for the rich and the end of the middle class as we know it. And believe me when I say those who are already poor will be better off than those in the middle because the drop to the bottom is less far.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 15th, 2012
3:31 pm
Well, way back there when I was doing meth I was kinda out of it like this Ayn Rand person. Heck, she can’t even spell Ann right. That ought to tell you something.
Anyhow, I sure wish I’d done a bunch of writting while I was zonked out. I could have people like Raghead and all those folks sorta drooling over me. Oh, well. Live and learn.
Have a good one everybody.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
3:32 pm
I thought she wrote fiction so how can that be reality?
Is ryan living in a fictitious make believe world and wants to be Vice President?
What in the world was robme thinking?
Ayn Rand's Medicare
August 15th, 2012
3:32 pm
well, you gonna believe the flippin videotape, or me?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 15th, 2012
3:32 pm
Oh, come on, folks. It’s IMMORAL to let suckers keep their money.
The cons are doing the conned a *favor* by promising to make those deep cuts in the social safety net. It’s what Rand would have wanted, after all. At least until she got old and sick.
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
3:33 pm
I want to see Ryan’s DNA compared to Rand’s. The similarities between them cannot be purely coincidental. Just look at the eyes and brownnose, for example.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
3:33 pm
Stands,
I thought Josef would laugh at that one
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
3:33 pm
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable … The other, of course, involves orcs.
Granny Godzilla
That is one of two quotes attributed to John Rogers.
The other is: You don’t really understand an antagonist until you understand why he’s a protagonist in his own version of the world.
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
3:35 pm
But what does this say about Paul Ryan’s EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE? Will nobody answer me about this very very important requirement for somebody who might one day be President. It seemed to be sooooooo important 4 years ago, yet since Romney selected his running mate, I have heard not a peep about it.
Welcome to the Occupation
August 15th, 2012
3:36 pm
…whispering in their ears the reassurance that that their success is testament only to their own merit, and freeing them of any obligation to assist others
Much has been made of the fact that there are fewer top-ranking positions in our government held by Protestants than ever before. But I think it’s overblown. With vulgar Calvinism like Ryan’s ruling one of our two major parties virtually unchecked, and much else besides, we’re arguably Protestant as never before in ideological terms.
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
3:36 pm
getalife
August 15th, 2012
3:27 pm
Is that Helen Thomas on meth?
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Looks more like Dave R on meth.
HDB
August 15th, 2012
3:36 pm
Nice points today, Jay…….
john
August 15th, 2012
3:37 pm
Ayn Rand . The Great Atheist.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 15th, 2012
3:40 pm
Speaking of “noses”…check out the third one down…
http://cheezburger.com/6507808512
Get Real
August 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
Geez Louise…
I just checked in to get my daily dose of:
Republicans: Bad and Evil
followed by:
Democrats Good and Pure
Aquagirl
August 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
Rand’s disciple Alan Greenspan admitted his faith in the free market helped run the economy into the $#!^^er. The obvious Republican solution? MORE scary Ayn cultists.
Maybe we can Randize ourselves back to the Stone Age soon. Repubs would like that.
Misty Fyed
August 15th, 2012
3:42 pm
Of course you don’t accept that argument….you’re liberal and care more than us conservatives…
Is there a Jay Bookman archive somewhere….I wonder if he did as much comparison of philosophies between Obama and Wright.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
3:44 pm
Is there a Jay Bookman archive somewhere….
Teh stoopid, it burns!
Ayn Rand's Medicare
August 15th, 2012
3:44 pm
“a pahhty of psychological adolescents is the most dangerous thing
in the world, making that whole underdeveloped psyche ’socio-’”
–mrsstsimons
to which I replied “you’re right again, dear”
Goldie
August 15th, 2012
3:44 pm
Ryan also has benefited from survivor benefits through our Social Security system — where’s his humility regarding accepting such “socialism” into his life??? Big selfish egos like Ryan’s do not belong near our White House!
godless heathen
August 15th, 2012
3:44 pm
He and Romney both are wolves in sheeps clothing. If they are elected look for war, more breaks for the rich and the end of the middle class as we know it.
You forgot chaining up the black people and killing all the wimminfolks.
Steve
August 15th, 2012
3:45 pm
Excellent essay today, Jay!
Verbal Kint
August 15th, 2012
3:45 pm
Wonder when the Obama campaign and it’s minions are going to start talking about HIS record the last four years? Thanks for the daily talking points Jay. Keep up the good work.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 15th, 2012
3:46 pm
M. Fyed — “Of course you don’t accept that argument….you’re liberal and care more than us conservatives…”
Well, I never understood how ‘get a job, hippie’ was so loving, but since you’re here, maybe you can explain it.
Steve Atl
August 15th, 2012
3:46 pm
Jay…
Have you been asleep for the past 4 years? Barack hangs out with Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, George Clooney, Sean Penn, Bill Maher, and every Hollyweirdo that will write him a check.
Do you think about these things before you pen you biased attacks?
Paul
August 15th, 2012
3:46 pm
” in violation of our moral duties to others…”
Ohmygoodness, Jefferson was a socialist…..
As I’ve said before: all the ‘where’s Obama’s plan?” and “Ryan’s proposal doesn’t matter because he’s the vice presidential candidate” and “so what if Ryan used fake numbers in his proposals” don’t really matter.
It’s the overarching philosophy that gives us knowledge of where they would take us.
And do far, Pres Obama seems much more closely aligned with Thomas Jefferson than does the Republican ticket.
Goldie
August 15th, 2012
3:46 pm
I believe with the Romney/Ryan ticket we now have 2 Etch-A-Sketches to deal with — just shake it up and re-do!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 15th, 2012
3:47 pm
Misty, if you have a video of Obama praising Wright like Ryan does Rand and claims by Obama that he handed out Wright books to everyone as gifts… please share the link. Otherwise just sounds like more distraction and false equivalents… but hey, good news, over at Kyle’s they are making up a whole lot of Obama influence claims. I am sure they’ll welcome yours without any real critical thought.
Tealiban Party
August 15th, 2012
3:47 pm
Catholic Bishops Say Ryan Budget Fails Moral Test
4/18/2012
By David Gibson
Religion News Service
WASHINGTON (RNS) A week after House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan claimed his Catholic faith inspired the Republicans’ cost-cutting budget plan, the nation’s Catholic bishops reiterated their demand that the federal budget protect the poor, and said the GOP measure “fails to meet these moral criteria.”
That and other strongly-worded judgments on the GOP budget proposal flew in a flurry of letters from leading bishops to the chairmen of key congressional committee.
Steve Atl
August 15th, 2012
3:47 pm
Obama cut $700 Billion from Medicare…that’s a fact.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
3:48 pm
People that think fiction is reality are in mental institutions..
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 15th, 2012
3:48 pm
When talking retail politics, I’m inclined to get a little aggravated when I hear about “likeability.” Obviously you’d think people would vote more with their heads than with their hearts. Yet, when we get down to the still-reachable voter, in the last three months of the race, you’ve got to think about it at least.
And given that we’re talking about something as hard-to-pin-down as morality here, I think likeability does come into play. People may have a logical basis for their moral belief system, sure, but they also allow their emotion, their gut feelings if you will, to come into play.
I find it hard to believe that a Randian like Paul Ryan brings much to Romney on a retail politics level. While Ayn Rand may have several million slobbering fanboys (and whatdayafigure the male:female ratio is, 4:1 or so? but I digress), I think most voters find her philosophy repellant and even, as Jay posits, un-American.
Certainly, it’s unlikeable.
Wild Eyes
August 15th, 2012
3:48 pm
I wonder what Jesus would think of Ayn Rand? I wonder what Ryan thinks Jesus would think of Ayn Rand? I wonder how all these bootstrappers ideology concerning social justice and the poor match up with what Jesus and the bible says?
Aquagirl
August 15th, 2012
3:49 pm
Is there a Jay Bookman archive somewhere….
We had to wait until 3:42, but the Post Of The Day was worth it.
The laughter might let me forget those meth-y eyes for a moment. Almost.
Goldie
August 15th, 2012
3:49 pm
I also believe that “objectivism” is a moral cancer on American society — just to paraphrase Ryan himself!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
3:49 pm
I loved the book The Fountainhead..”Howard Roark laughed…” One of my favs but not because I subscribed to the concept of Objectivism…to truly understand that crap try reading “Anthem”.
What I like about Howard Roark is that he didn’t compromise his morality simply to fit into the status quo…gee, sounds like our politicians…but in Howards case, he was a visionary in architecture and like Jimi Hendrix, was way before his time…one of the great endings of all time..
martin the calvinist
August 15th, 2012
3:49 pm
What I find funny about this is that liberals are now advocating what’s moral and what’s not moral after telling us before we don’t want morality shoved down our throat….
East Lake Ira
August 15th, 2012
3:50 pm
Why do the cons seem to think an opinion columnist/blogger would write/post items that don’t interest them or don’t believe.
Are they really that stupid or just willfully ignorant?
I know the answer but sheesh!
martin the calvinist
August 15th, 2012
3:51 pm
btw, I’m waiting on Jay’s piece on how horrible Joe Biden’s comment about Republicans wanting to place people back in chains, or is that shakles?
Ellsworth Monkton Toohey
August 15th, 2012
3:51 pm
Republicans flipping and flopping? And defending the indefensible? I’m shocked, I tell ‘ya, absolutely shocked.
Steve Atl
August 15th, 2012
3:51 pm
Libs support abortion but don’t support working hard and making some money.
God help us.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 15th, 2012
3:51 pm
V. Kint — “Wonder when the Obama campaign and it’s minions are going to start talking about HIS record the last four years?”
They already are, every day. Thanks for asking.
http://www.barackobama.com/record/economy
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
August 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
A prime example of liberal tolerance:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/15/us/dc-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
He was trying to shoot pro-life people so I am sure that’s ok with you guys….
Dreema
August 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
“Knowing that you have been born into that rarified world, with all the advantage that it confers, ought to make you a little humble about lecturing others about lifting themselves up by their bootstraps. ”
Except, like so many others, Romney and Ryan were born on third but thinks they hit a triple.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
Steve Atl
“Obama cut $700 Billion from Medicare…that’s a fact.”
And where did the funding go – completely off the books, or somewhere else?
And based on the cut, who got paid less? Did they agree to it beforehand? Why?
And where did Ryan’s cut go? Reprogrammed somewhere else or completely off the books?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
JOHN,
I’m atheist as well but don’t judge others who aren’t….I do know that Christians do strongly feel they are superior and in a position to judge and otherwise try to evangelize others into their cult…
bman
August 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
Wasn’t Alan Greenspan a big fan of her?
Misty Fyed
August 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
Wait a minute…when Jefferson said those words, he was enriching his pockets with the free labor of a plantation full of slaves. He also abused his position as master and had several kids through at least one of his slaves…..granted he was good enough to free them…after his death when he could no longer profit from them, but he didn’t free their mother.
And Jay wants us to hold him as the moral standard over Paul Ryan or Ayn Ryan for that matter…It’s amazing what you liberals will overlook when it suits your purpose………
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 15th, 2012
3:53 pm
Is there a Jay Bookman archive somewhere…. because I wanted to see if Jay had posted on the subject of self-reliance and personal responsibility and not just being spoon fed everything?
Matti
August 15th, 2012
3:53 pm
Frankly, I don’t care whether someone chooses to be Christian or chooses to be a Rand Cultist. My problem is with those who insult us by pretending to be both, and then acting all superior about it. How STUPID do you think we are, that we’ll believe a person can be both? Anyone who does that needs to crawl back under their rock before I stomp their little lizard tail and pull it off. Seriously. My tolerance is wide, but has limits.
retired early
August 15th, 2012
3:53 pm
Jay
Man, Ryan managed to delude even himself. He would have made a first rate German prison guard during WWII.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
3:54 pm
The moral of this story is stay away from the meth and beware of those who think fiction is reality.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
3:54 pm
martin
“btw, I’m waiting on Jay’s piece on how horrible Joe Biden’s comment about Republicans wanting to place people back in chains, or is that shakles?”
Then go to the prior thread. It was addressed there. We’re on to a new topic.
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
3:54 pm
I read an essay in partial defense of Rand once, applying her philosophy not to economics, but to the arts. Something along the lines that doing art to meet the needs of others instead of for your own personal fulfillment lead to bad art. I found myself somewhat in agreement. Thats about as close to randian thought i will ever get.
martin the calvinist
August 15th, 2012
3:54 pm
A fool saith to his heart, there is no God.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 15th, 2012
3:55 pm
how horrible Joe Biden’s comment
yeah, let’s by all means go there again. There’s a farm-fresh topic.
He was trying to shoot pro-life people
Let me know when someone actually succeeds. Your side already has a few wins tallied, over in Wichita and in Knoxville, so we’ve dug ourselves a bit of a hole…
Welcome to the Occupation
August 15th, 2012
3:56 pm
I wonder if he did as much comparison of philosophies between Obama and Wright
Ha! That’s a goooooood one. Obama and Wright, yeah, right…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
3:56 pm
RETIRED,
Big thinker..first today to bring in the Hilter comparisons…your boy Biden I think, is related to Dan Quail in some way, shape of form…not very bright and doesn’t thinkith before he speakith…..
Steve Atl
August 15th, 2012
3:57 pm
Michelle and Barack are estimated to have a net worth of $15 million…he will be worth $100 million within 5 years of leaving office…he is a RICH guy and hangs with the rest of the RICH guys and girls.
Sorry…he is a 1%’er.
Brosephus™
August 15th, 2012
3:57 pm
Couldn’t figure out how to shorten this quote without losing what it says, but
Ryan’s background also plays into the problem. Like his running mate, he is a child born into relative wealth and privilege. That does not make either Ryan or Mitt Romney evil, wrong, foolish or misguided. To the contrary, their shared background says nothing at all about their personal character or leadership abilities.
It must, however, affect their perspective, just as being born into poverty or struggle affects the perspective of those who experience the world from that end of things.
Knowing that you have been born into that rarified world, with all the advantage that it confers, ought to make you a little humble about lecturing others about lifting themselves up by their bootstraps. It ought to make you a little less arrogant about your own success, and a little more sympathetic toward those to whom raw luck has been a little less kind. It should make you acknowledge, to yourself if no one else, that you stand where you stand in part because of factors over which you have had no control, and to understand that others stand where they stand in part because of factors over which they too have had no control.
I think that’s the major disconnect with our entire society today. It’s been shown by statistical analysis that it is much harder to climb through the different economic classes nowadays. Add the increased economic segregation that we have, and you have the perfect recipe for people to be blind to the everyday lives of those who are not just like them.
It has nothing to do with race. It is simply a product of economic stratification. When the only thing you see and/or know is people living well, it’s easy to say that any economic struggling can be overcome by one pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. It’s also easy to convince yourself that one can only be poor and dependent on the government because they choose to be that way. After all, everybody you see, know, or interact with usually have money and are successful at something.
On the other hand, if all you know is poverty and struggling, you have little to no concept of “how” to pull yourself up by your bootstrap. If you never interact with people outside of poverty or low incomes, you have no idea of what it looks like to be successful beyond what you perceive as success in that economic range.
Only when you interact with people of all ranges or different economic stations in life can you begin to understand how different real life is when compared to the pipe dreams and rhetoric you hear all the time.
The Truth
August 15th, 2012
3:59 pm
Ayn Rand was a welfare (social security) queen that was pro-abortion. This is the type that teaboggers worship.
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
August 15th, 2012
3:59 pm
Don’t worry you guys kill 1.2 million people a year…. You wouldn’t know morality if it slapped you in the face. You are unqualified in everyway to discuss it.
All liberalism is, is hate using pretty words. People with half a brain aren’t fooled.
Jay
August 15th, 2012
4:00 pm
Well put, Bro.
And don’t you just love that lapel pin on Ayn?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 15th, 2012
4:00 pm
It’s been shown by statistical analysis that it is much harder to climb through the different economic classes nowadays.
Ironically, I’ve seen studies that indicate our European brethren actually have it easier, in trying to advance economically, than in the land-of-duh-free, these days.
Maybe some mean well, but they’re definitely doing it wrong.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
4:00 pm
Steve Atl
Are you in “I’m just gonna toss stuff out today and not show I have any knowledge of what I’m tossing out by backing it up” mode today?
If you’re not, you may have missed the 3:52.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
4:00 pm
It is antithetical to human nature and to thousands of years of human history in which the individual has had responsibilities to the group, and the group has had responsibilities to the individual. The genius of the American system in particular has been its ability to create a workable, ethical balance between those competing responsibilities.
The “morality” that Ryan proposes would toss that balance aside, creating a system the likes of which has never been seen, and which would meet no definition of the word “moral” that I, or Jefferson, would accept.
Everyone, reread this alone and let it stand for the utter nonsense that it is.
You’re babbling, Mr. Bookman.
Paul Ryan is defending capitalism in the video, clearly, and using Rand to do so. To offer the notion that Ryan and Romney were born into “relative privilege” is old, tired political soft-headed claptrap, to borrow a phrase, so cliche, that it isn’t even worthy of serious fictionalizing, such as Rand did. (The Pirates of Penzance is more appropriate expression of the overwhelming emotions liberals feel when they ejaculate about “orphans” or poor people.)
Your perception of Rand is entirely out of whack. Objectivism is not romantic at all, despite the absurd sex scenes Rand tries to conjure out of thin air. Objectivism is a bare-bones, proto- wanna-be- philosophy whose tenets are concrete only and not soft-headed nor romantic. It is lifeless and dull. Second, nowhere can you show that Rand rejected the existence of society, and it borders on libel to insinuate that Ryan does. Rand rejected socialism; that’s all.
Yours is an insane, delusional conclusion you make, it was pointless, gratuitous nonsense that adds nothing at all to your argument. What she rejected was religion (which she said was the first thing that made people slaves–a very liberal point of view today, I might add) and then came government which made people slaves (this view was carved into her by her experience in the Soviet Union), but in no way is this philosophy reflected in Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney or anything but White House talking points.
On the contrary, Ryan is a Roman Catholic, a religion and faith (Ryan’s faith as you lie, clearly isn’t objectivism; it is in Jesus Christ) that utterly rejects the cold nothing of objectivism. While I have no faith in your ability to take on any complex understanding of the Catholic Church, I expected better from you in addressing a dime-store fad philosophy like Ayn Rand’s.
So, this is the way the press “vets” conservatives. Obama sat in “Good Damn America” for 20 years, and the best you can do is lie about Mitt Romney’s running mate and make objectivism out to be some boogeyman of conservative thought. For the record, objectivism is not.
In the future, Mr. Bookman, those fair-minded among us would really appreciate less babbling on your part and the beginnings of any sense of objectivity about objectivism or any understanding about conservatives.
Wallis the dog
August 15th, 2012
4:01 pm
Couldn’t resist clicking on Jay’s column today, based on the headline. As I suspected, it’s soft-headed, romantic claptrap.
harvey
August 15th, 2012
4:02 pm
Wow, I guess I better quit reading murder mysteries. Liberals will accuse me of being a closet murderer.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
4:02 pm
And don’t you just love that lapel pin on Ayn?
I believe it was jewcowboy that pointed out that the $ sign also marks her grave.
Common Sense
August 15th, 2012
4:02 pm
“Why is this relevant? Well, Randian philosophy — “objectivism” they call it — is to my mind soft-headed, romantic claptrap that attempts vainly to masquerade as hard-headed, pragmatic economic theory. Its appeal is emotional, not intellectual.”
Yes it is quite the romantic notion that you own what you produce. And because the collective despises that notion, the force of law is used to lay claim to varying percentages of what you produce for the benefit of others.
Individualism is something the collective finds threatening. And the collective cannot implement it’s objectives as long as individuals clamor to such romantic notions as private property, individual rights and freedoms that the majority cannot strip away for the “greater good”.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 15th, 2012
4:03 pm
Don’t worry you guys kill 1.2 million people a year…
you talkin’ abortion?
you must be pleased as punch that the guy who signed FIFTY DOLLAR ROMNEYCARE ABORTIONS into law is your Presidential nominee, then.
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
August 15th, 2012
4:03 pm
Well Ayn Rand is a first class idiot and her philosphy is utter garbage. Being a capitolist doesn’t save her from the fate of being subpar mentally….
HOWEVER, we already know the Karl Marx’s philosophy is crap in actual practice, yet the liberals keep wanting to relive this failure in hopes that it might accidently work if you keep trying it.
failure begets failure. Marx is a failure, Keynes is a failure, liberalism is and always will be a failure. Liberals are by default, failures.
Goldie
August 15th, 2012
4:04 pm
Let’s see, where to start– some of Our President’s accomplishments so far:
– Oversaw the capturing or killing more Al-qaida terrorists than W ever dreamed of doing (including the big OBL himself);
– Signed into law the Lily Ledbetter Equal Pay Act;
– Saved the American automobile industry and MILLIONS OF JOBS along with it;
– Rescued the American economy from the GOP’s recklessness for 8 disastrous years;
– Withdrawal of American troops from Iraq as promised;
– Withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan as promised;
– Repealed Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and therefore saved our military;
– Endorsed the efforts of marriage equality for both sexes;
– Endorsed the Dream Act for young undocumented school children;
– Signed into law the Affordable Care Act and therefore saved millions of Americans from having to file bankruptcy due to having no medical insurance.
You’re welcome!
harvey
August 15th, 2012
4:04 pm
You state, “The genius of the American system in particular has been its ability to create a workable, ethical balance between those competing responsibilities”. what is ethical about stealing money from those who have worked hard and sacrificed for it to pay for others’ welfare? Nothing ethical about that at all. That is simply theft.
Tealiban Party
August 15th, 2012
4:04 pm
Steve Atl
August 15th, 2012
3:57 pm
Michelle and Barack are estimated to have a net worth of $15 million…he will be worth $100 million within 5 years of leaving office…he is a RICH guy and hangs with the rest of the RICH guys and girls.
Sorry…he is a 1%’er.
Then why doesn’t Obama support the Ryan budget? Doesn’t Obama want to pay lower or NO taxes like Mitt Romney?
Tom
August 15th, 2012
4:04 pm
I feel sorry for anyone who has ever tried to trudge through one of Rand’s turgid potboilers to try to extract her ludicrous “philosophy”. The true analogy to Ayn Rand is L. Ron Hubbard.
godless heathen
August 15th, 2012
4:05 pm
Well I guess he evolved.
Next attack, please.
Steve Atl
August 15th, 2012
4:05 pm
Hey Paul…what’s your question? Barack and Michelle are worth $15 million.
Sorry…the truth hurts. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are not real either.
zem
August 15th, 2012
4:05 pm
Good post. Wish lots of people would read it and think about it.
martin the calvinist
August 15th, 2012
4:05 pm
sorry Paul, I saw where most people defended Biden’s statements. If a Republican said that, there would be unholy commotion raised over this…I’m sorry, I see this as hypocritical….
Okay I’ll get back to the current topic….
I’m not fan of Ms. Rand, can’t help but not to like her views on God.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
August 15th, 2012
4:06 pm
Fairly lofty rhetoric from somebody that endorses the half-wit President Kardashian and his Chia pet Biden. In Emperor Nero’s books (written by who?), what are not outright lies are vain inanities. Come on, Jay, you Democrats want your checks from the government. That’s all. The Supreme Leader only needs to make one statement: “I will keep the checks coming, and they will continue to get larger.”
Your faux intellectualism is a joke.
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
August 15th, 2012
4:06 pm
Rand was not a philosopher, she was a writer of fiction and a political hack, nothing more. Objectivism is as stupid as communism.
Jay
August 15th, 2012
4:06 pm
Saw this on Twitter, cracked me up:
“If Paul Ryan wins, you can bet some things will get named after Ayn Rand, probably the stadium where they hold the Hunger Games.”
Common Sense
August 15th, 2012
4:07 pm
“Wasn’t Alan Greenspan a big fan of her?”
Oh he was. Then he decided that while the free markets were working, he’d tweak them a little and it failed.
I am sure marrying Andrea Mitchell had nothing to do with his change of heart either. After all, the media love Ayn Rand.
Read Greenspan’s works in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal.
Had he stuck to those principles, we would have all been a lot better off.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
4:08 pm
I think that’s the major disconnect with our entire society today. It’s been shown by statistical analysis that it is much harder to climb through the different economic classes nowadays. Add the increased economic segregation that we have, and you have the perfect recipe for people to be blind to the everyday lives of those who are not just like them.
It has nothing to do with race. It is simply a product of economic stratification.
Right on, Bro.
It might surprise you, but I do agree with one iota of what you say. There is economic stratification that has accelerated under Obama.
Witness: more people are on food stamps, more receiving welfare checks, more receiving Social Security disability, more unemployed, many more underemployed, college graduates unemployed at a rate of 50%.
Sure we have economic stratification. That happens when there isn’t anymore activity, hence mobility. That is what we have under Obama. That is what you get for socialism.
How are people going to be upwardly mobile when college graduates aren’t working?
Isn’t the promise of education that we can all get ahead?
Paul
August 15th, 2012
4:08 pm
Nicely put, Brosephus
Steve Atl
I asked the question at 3:52.
As to the Obamas, what is your point? That because they have attained wealth they must have little empathy, adhere to Rand’s philosophy, think they got where they are all on their own and if other people worked hard like they did there would be no people in need in the country?
Is that your point?
You now have two answers pending.
Or are you just posting items with no meaning?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 15th, 2012
4:08 pm
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
August 15th, 2012
3:52 pm
A prime example of liberal tolerance:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/15/us/dc-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
He was trying to shoot pro-life people so I am sure that’s ok with you guys….
silly, silly, silly
Is shooting anti-abortion activists ok with anybody?
Anybody?
C’mon not a single liberal will cheer for the attempted murder of a antichoice person?
Not one?
Is shooting an abortion doctor ok with anybody?
Yep….
The Army of GOD: With bloody pictures of dead fetuses on the front of its poorly designed website, the Army of GOD praised the killer: “The lives of innocent babies scheduled to be murdered by George Tiller are spared by the action of American hero Scott Roeder.”
hmmmmmm
getalife
August 15th, 2012
4:09 pm
Looks like our cons are in full sling poo mode.
It does not work here cons.
You have to back up your poo slinging lies.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
4:09 pm
TOM,
Not all of us who count Rands books as one of our favorites subscribe to the selfish, objectivism philosophy..Very well written books with well developed characters and unique story lines…too bad you can separate the wheat from the chaff….I’m betting you and Liberal Chick and never even read Fountainhead or Atlas although I sure you will try to convince otherwise..
William Bagwell
August 15th, 2012
4:10 pm
There once was a man named Ryan
Who had love for a woman named Ayn
She was an atheist fool
He was her Catholic tool
About all this he wishes we’d stop pryin’
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 15th, 2012
4:10 pm
Steve Atl – “Sorry…he is a 1%’er.”
No one said he wasn’t.
PJ
August 15th, 2012
4:11 pm
godless heathen @3:44 pm
“You forgot chaining up the black people and killing all the wimminfolks.”
How can one forget something they never brought up, but since you mentioned it why don’t you go into the details.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
4:12 pm
Bro,
The major disconnect in society today is Barack Obama.
Remember his inauguration speech: “let this be the time that the oceans receded…” and all kinds of other delusional messianic blather.
josef
August 15th, 2012
4:12 pm
I had to read Rand when I was a youngun under orders from Granddaddy and Uncle Ralph the Leprechaun of the Hedge School. The reason Granddaddy made it a part of his curriculum for me was to teach me just what happens when folks lack a moral compass. For Uncle Ralph it was, “package sh*t and sell it mass market…just use some big words and contorted syntax and folks’ll think you know what you’re yammering about, even if you don’t.” They were right. When I got to high school where Rand was the rage, I saw what they meant.
********
Did somebody say Helen Thomas? I’ve already been put into moderation once this week, no point in poking the Bruin further.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
4:12 pm
If you want to read fiction just go to drudgeys.
Tom
August 15th, 2012
4:12 pm
Thanks, Stevie Ray: Rand’s “very well written books.” Oh thank you, we all needed a good laugh.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
4:12 pm
Common Sense,
Well said, and I’m glad you made that point.
pogo
August 15th, 2012
4:13 pm
Methinks Jay and the rest of you libs are terrified of Ryan. You shlould be.
And Obama’s blathering idiot Biden is the gift that just keeps on giving to us cons. Jay attacks Ryan about what he thinks he believes but yet ignores an obvious imbecile that is already the vice president. So what Jay is saying is that Americans should support the senile court jester instead of
Ryan who he says is too, uh, what Jay? Jay what you should be asking yourself is what kind of presidential candidate would ever have picked Joseph Biden as his running mate. That does not display good judgement at all.
saywhat?
August 15th, 2012
4:13 pm
“Common Sense” seems to be under the delusion that we are the Borg.
Aquagirl
August 15th, 2012
4:14 pm
Individualism is something the collective finds threatening.
Individualists aren’t threatening. People who style themselves individualists and soak up Ayn Rand while collecting taxpayer benefits….yes, those people are threatening. Because they’re @$$hats.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
4:14 pm
BRO,
Great read on your last entry…I can’t disagree with your premise to be certain…but there is much those who are unfortunately now permanently camped out on the safety net can do to improve the odds…one is break out of the mindset of having kids without stable and caring parents who have time to get involved in kids schooling et al…unfortunately these kids are the most succeptible of falling thru the cracks. Whites and Blacks appear to be stuck in the same…”tradition” they see that as normal same as they experienced..
josef
August 15th, 2012
4:14 pm
STEVIE RAY
“I’m atheist as well but don’t judge others who aren’t….I do know that Christians do strongly feel they are superior and in a position to judge and otherwise try to evangelize others into their cult…”
And you don’t see the contradiction in what you just posted? “…don’t judge…I do know etc,” Silly Boy…
zeke
August 15th, 2012
4:15 pm
steve atl, he did not cut medicare 700 billion over 10 years to beneficiaries, he redistributed it to ACA wherein it was assumed that medical costs were to be saved from efficiencies and hopefully getting away from fee for service where some doctors and hospitals love to churn their patients. believe me at my age i could tell you stories. yes i will concede they were perhaps optimistic.
if you read entire artlicle you will find folly in your bs talking point.
http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/column/ezra-klein-the-gop-ticket-s-big-medicare-myth/article_d90a0af2-e641-11e1-82b9-0019bb2963f4.html
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
4:15 pm
When getalife lives in the cesspool of rhetoric (ie., Jay Bookman’s blog), everything begins to smell like some manifestation of….
well…
I’ll let him keep the vulgarities.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 15th, 2012
4:15 pm
M. Calvinist — “A fool saith to his heart, there is no God.”
How terrible for you.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
4:15 pm
A little known (or, it was for me) fact about the sociopath who is our current topic: In her notebooks Ayn Rand worshiped a notorious serial murderer-dismemberer, William Edward Hickman, whose gruesome, sadistic dismemberment of 12-year-old girl named Marion Parker in 1927 shocked the nation. Rand used this killer as an early model for the type of “ideal man” she promoted in her more famous books.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
4:15 pm
Obambarrassment ,
You are embarrassing yourself.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
4:17 pm
TOM,
I guess you didn’t read them or practiced contempt prior to investigation which I’d guess is your MO….you probably developed your distain for same because your liberal pals would frown on you is you took time to open your mind and leave politics out of it…
I feel sorry for those who go so far as to limit their faculties to whatever they are sheepishly told..
Common Sense
August 15th, 2012
4:17 pm
Definition: Selfishness: Concerned chiefly or only with oneself.
So what is more selfish than saying someone else needs to pay more taxes than you do? Or someone else needs to provide you an education or food stamps or free health care?
The Democratic Party is the shining example of selfishness wrapped in a cloak that says “I am doing this for you, not for me”. Yet that is the ultimate lie.
What in the world could be more selfish than not paying for your own costs?
The difference between what Rand espouses and what the democrats espouse is that Rand believes you work for it, the democrats believe you take it with brute force.
Steve Atl
August 15th, 2012
4:17 pm
$700 Billion to Obamacare…there ya go.
Riddle me this…Paul.
Why has unemployment been at 8.0+ percent for 4 years? Try not to blame Bush and focus on Obama’s policies?
Is it healthy for our country to have $16 trillion in debt? Once again…please focus on the guy who said he would cut the debt in half.
What the heck happened in Egypt? Muslim Brotherhood is running the show.
Is it ok with you for Obama to take $1 million dollars from Bill Maher who regularly calls women the C-Word on TV?
Do you subscribe to the philosophy that “You did not build that” after spending 5-10 years of 60+ hour work weeks and an unmeasureable amount of blood sweat and tears in their business.
Now you owe me 4…good luck with that.
Goldie
August 15th, 2012
4:18 pm
Wasn’t it ole Abe Lincoln that taught us all about having a “government of the Corporations, by the Corporations and for the Corporations”? Looks like the Cons have really bought into that philosophy these days!
retired early
August 15th, 2012
4:19 pm
Stevie Ray
Do you ever wonder what those German guards were thinking when they are told to gas thousands of people. Some people just “follow orders”…while others “question” those orders.
People who only study that which reinforces their opinions, lack the insight to see the total picture.
When I chose a leader, I go for the one who will…”Question Orders”.
I am always leery of single minded folks, like you know who.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
4:19 pm
Aquagirl,
You’re babbling too.
Is the whole Bookman-liberal side running like lemmings off a cliff of looney rhetoric?
Oooh! Look, it’s Ayn Rand wearing a dollar sign! Let’s spew some vulgarities to attack conservatives!
Great job Mr. Bookman. I always thought MLK was right. The content of character does matter.
Thanks for providing sport that reveals it.
Brosephus™
August 15th, 2012
4:19 pm
Jay
Had not noticed that, but that is funny. I haven’t read any of her books, and I don’t know much about her other than what I hear people say. If all is true, I guess the idea of self reliance could be extended to include getting your own social security checks from the mailbox and cashing them yourself.
————————–
It might surprise you, but I do agree with one iota of what you say. There is economic stratification that has accelerated under Obama.
Obambarrassment
I seriously doubt that you really agree with me. The economic stratification has been going on for 30-40 years. If you think this much could be done in 3-4 years, you’re probably also one of those who think our economy could be repaired in the same amount of time. The only reason that the stratification is even noteworthy now is that it was accelerated because of the economic collapse. Had we not gone through such a serious downturn, many people would still be ignorant to what’s really going on with our economy.
Jefferson
August 15th, 2012
4:19 pm
This guy is a young wanna be, get back on Romney. He has nothing but questions about his claim to fame. What would you do with the off shore accounts if elected ? Seem American ? Taxes, what is hidden ? Harry say he knows and it pissed him off so there is fire in that smoke. He has a wealth of issues, most makes him unattractive.
In the end he is a wannabe, to enrich his buddies.
Remember there wasn’t a spending problem in the US til the GOP started cutting revenue.
Peter G. Fitzpatrick
August 15th, 2012
4:19 pm
Thanks Jay, your clear analysis of Ayn Rand has finally put my romantic notions aside. I have always struggled between individual rights and societal obligations and understand better now that they are not meant to be reconciled…rather they are forces in dynamic balance or tension.
Steve Atl
August 15th, 2012
4:19 pm
Paul…can you not find your liberal talking points? Did you lend them to Soledad?
When will I get answers to my 4 questions?
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
4:20 pm
joseph
I hear you on Helen Thomas, however I do not hear to many (many not any) left leaning politicians touting the virtues and teachings as compared to the right and Meth Head Ayn.
Steve Atl
August 15th, 2012
4:21 pm
Joe Biden…what a hoot…
Can seem to figure which of the 57 states he is in?
Now that right there is funny.
Goldie
August 15th, 2012
4:21 pm
I used to think that Ole Mitt only lied out of one side of his mouth, but he’s going with full-mouth lying these days… makes one’s head spin if you try to listen to what’s coming out of his mouth!
Madmax
August 15th, 2012
4:21 pm
The genius of the American system in particular has been its ability to create a workable, ethical balance between those competing responsibilities.
The “morality” that Ryan proposes would toss that balance aside, creating a system the likes of which has never been seen, and which would meet no definition of the word “moral” that I, or Jefferson, would accept.
I think the issue is that the “balance” between the individual and the group and vice versa has already been broken and your summary is over the top hysteria. Ryan is not proposing to break something that is there, it is already gone. We are now in a world where the majority do not pay for their share of the services they demand (spare me the what about SS, sales tax, etc argument please). We continue to shift the burden to the “priviledged” with the hope that they will solve our problem. The math doesn’t work. We spend too much and we haven’t addressed the issue. Ryan’s proposals are the only, (to quote Pres. Obama), “grown up” solutions we have seen. His are easy to critique because he has put them down. I wish our President would do the same. He has had close to 4 years to address the problem and has yet to do any serious cost cutting. As you pointed out in your other column, his savings in Medicare are used to fund another program so they don’t count. We’re still spending the $768 billion so he’s done nothing for deficit reduction despite his rhetoric.
zeke
August 15th, 2012
4:22 pm
steve atl, ryan wants to totally eliminate abortion. he sponsored the ill fated personhood bill at national level. it lost in miss by 42-58. he also supported that dumb thing in va that mcdonnell lost his chance for vp on. ryan so quick to promote life, but eager to cut saftey net for many youngsters and parents who need it in this day and time.
find it odd that within ryan’s name is ayn r ……
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
4:22 pm
Josef,
No contradiction…just simple facts that most evangelical christians subscribe…they don’t mean anything by recruiting and spreading the word to others…but in the process, they do judge….in fact, much of the bible judges those non-believers…
I could care less about what others believe….if it works for them so be it…I’m also ok with abortion and gay marriage both which are taboo according to the religious right…
Welcome to the Occupation
August 15th, 2012
4:23 pm
Probably the best putdown of Ayn Rand I ever heard was from none other than Allan Bloom who referred to her novels as “hardly literature” w/ a “sub-Nietzschean assertiveness [that] excites somewhat eccentric youngsters to a new way of life”.
pogo
August 15th, 2012
4:23 pm
Millions of rounds of ammunition being purchased by various innocuous government agencies who should not be purchasing them. Why? And before you lib ostriches blow this off as some right wing conspiracy theory go the the government agencies websites and look for the requisition bid sheets. These huge ammunition orders are currently out for bid by agencies such as Social Security and the National Weather Service. Why would these agencies need high powered ammunition? I mean 00 buckshot? That stuff is only used for killing deer at close range or killing lots of people at close range. Looks like the government is preparing for large scale civil unrest. Why?
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
4:23 pm
A moral person to Paul Ryan is a person willing to throw mama under the bus if she fails to meet his expectations.
Tom
August 15th, 2012
4:23 pm
Well, Stevie Ray, it’s clear why you consider Rand’s abysmal literary efforts “well written,” given that you obviously do not grasp the connotation of even such a simple word as “sheepish.” I’d say you’re the Ideal Reader of the works of Ayn Rand.
Lucifer
August 15th, 2012
4:24 pm
Well done Jay. Well done … Bravo!!
Richard
August 15th, 2012
4:24 pm
This is not meant to be a political statement…but…
For all the Boston Legal fans out there, am I the only one that thinks Paul Ryan looks EXACTLY like Jeffrey Coho?
Steve Atl
August 15th, 2012
4:25 pm
Paul is single handedly taking down Google, HuffPo, and MSNBC looking for talking points.
That would explain the slow response I am getting.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
4:25 pm
RETIRED,
I agree with questioning authority and have scars to prove it…I don’t agree with the Hitleresque labeling which only serves to sensationalize and get attention…kinda like what that Biden dope did yesterday or what the “birthers” continue to attempt to pull off…It’s all BS.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 15th, 2012
4:25 pm
Obam — “You’re babbling too. Is the whole Bookman-liberal side running like lemmings off a cliff of looney rhetoric?”
Said the guy whose bloghandle is “looney rhetoric” from the get-go.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
4:25 pm
Bro,
On the contrary, no country in the world has been more mobile economically than the US. This is revealed via so many sources that it ought to be patently obvious, including the undeniable truth that people are leaving banana republics (and socialist paradises in droves (where they supposedly don’t have your blessed “stratifcation”) to come here).
You’ve admittted that you know nothing of Rand. I concede that’s true.
Now you show you know very little of economics–pretending (I can only assume) that economic stratification ended with Ronald Reagan.
On the contrary, there has been no better place in the world for someone of low means to do well than the USA, and it has been true until recently–until Obama, the welfare and food stamp president.
But go ahead, grant him another 4 years. You’ll still have someone else to blame.
After 4 years, :Reagan had lowered unemployment from the stagflation Carter era significantly.
Obama? Not so much
getalife
August 15th, 2012
4:25 pm
It is easy to lose your moral compass and fight for the billionaires that do not need any help but is a challenge to fight for all the American people.
Having a moral compass and fighting for all the American people is the right thing to do if you are religious.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
4:26 pm
Steve Atl
“$700 Billion to Obamacare…there ya go.
Riddle me this…Paul.”
Steve, you’ve been here long enough to know when you’re diverting, don’t you? Avoiding a question directed at one of your posts about Medicare by asking a question about unemployment and Muslim Brotherhood?
You wrote that Obama cut $700 billion from Medicare. Just a statement. I asked if the money was gone from the budget, reprogrammed, or what? Were payments to beneficiaries cut? How did Obama’s action compare to Ryan’s?
zeke even gave you a way out at 4:15 so you could put your statement in context.
But if you’re just about tossing stuff out and have nothing of a larger context to put it in, that’s fine.
Just so we know what you’re about today.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 15th, 2012
4:26 pm
Is it ok with you for Obama to take $1 million dollars from Bill Maher who regularly calls women the C-Word on TV?
to be clear, Maher is on cable not over the air television. And using certain words to do comedy is completely appropriate, ask Rush about his comedic use of “slut” and “feminazi” and remember that Rush speaks at Republican events. But hey. you can still think Maher an ahole and take his money. Or does a candidate have to agree with 100% of everything a donor may say or believe.
zeke
August 15th, 2012
4:26 pm
at least joe biden gaffes and all come from the heart……ryan despite his upper income upbringing and marrying a gal who inherited some money….you would think he would have a little compasion and ability to compromise, but he was responsible for blocking grand bargain along with ship for brains cantor.
Goldie
August 15th, 2012
4:27 pm
“We continue to shift the burden to the “priviledged” with the hope that they will solve our problem. The math doesn’t work.”
madmax @ 4:21 — and what problems will be “solved” by giving more tax cuts again to our wealthiest citizens as your guys propose? How well has that “math” worked in creating jobs so far?
Thanks for sharing!
Brosephus™
August 15th, 2012
4:27 pm
Normally I try not to engage such jackassery, but for today only, I’ll go there….
Remember his inauguration speech: “let this be the time that the oceans receded…” and all kinds of other delusional messianic blather.
Obviously you don’t. As a matter of fact, I’ll give you $100 dollars if you can even find the phrase “let this be the time that the oceans receded” in Obama’s inauguration speech. Jay has my contact information, and most here know where I work. I won’t be hard to find so you can collect IF you can do just that. As a matter of fact, I’ll even spot you a link to get started.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28751183/ns/politics-inauguration/t/time-has-come-reaffirm-our-enduring-spirit/
If you can’t deal in reality, then you can’t deal with me. Unless you can find that phrase to collect your money, there’s no need to engage me any further.
Steve Atl
August 15th, 2012
4:28 pm
Paul…just answer the questions.
josef
August 15th, 2012
4:28 pm
IMAM
Not sucking up, far from it, but good column…
BROSEPHUS
Good read you posted…
STEVIE RAY
I didn’t really expect you to see that…otherwise you would never have said it…
BOTH
I’ll say this, when she made that comment it was really interesting to see who came hopping to the hateful witch’s defense and how…I learned a lot about some of our regulars at that time…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 15th, 2012
4:30 pm
Well I see Pogo is getting caught up on debunked talking nonsense from Rand Paul and Drudgy. In reality, the ammunition was ordered by the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement [not the National Weather Service], but a clerical error in the paperwork indicated otherwise.
Steve Atl
August 15th, 2012
4:31 pm
Bropheus…what a dufus…”you no longer need to engage me”…
You are on blog for a Liberal Rag…
“You no longer need to engage me” …you gonna trademark that?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
4:31 pm
TOM,
Stop being a silly, narrowminded dupe of the Left…no different from the dupes to the right. I enjoy Rand (repeat…not her selfish philosphy). Nietche, King, Bertrand Russell, Jung, Jay Bookman, the Washington Post, George Will, Glenn Greenwald, Krauthammer, and others representing both sides of the spectrum…if you follow like a blind sheep to either side..you are subscribing totally to the half truths of whichever side you claim to trust…
Moderate Lin
August 15th, 2012
4:31 pm
More recently, of course, Ryan has attempted to pretend that none of that has occurred, proclaiming it “urban legend” that he had been influenced by Rand and claiming to “reject her philosoph
This statemment is completely false. The link quoates Ryan completely out of context. The link below shows he stated more than that and it was only a day ago.
This what Pual Ryan said:
Brit Hume, FOX News: What is your view of Ayn Rand? Are you an Ayn Rand disciple?
Rep. Paul Ryan: No. I really enjoyed her novels, Atlas Shrugged in particular. It triggered my interest in economics. That’s where I got into studying economics. That’s why I wanted to study the whole field of economics.
I later in life learned about what her philosophy was, it’s called Objectivism. It’s something that I completely disagree with. It’s an atheistic philosophy. But I think what she’s done is she’s showed — she came from communism.
The article link to by Jay states:
“I reject her philosophy,” Ryan says firmly. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,” who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. “Don’t give me Ayn Rand,” he says.
This shows that the link Jay has reference is taking Ryan completely out of context insinuating that he rejects Rand completely now which is not the case at all. He rejects objectivism but accept arguments for capitalism, anti-cronyism and collectism.
I find the insinuation that he rejects Rand completely to be completely false. The reason I knew this was false was because I just saw this interview a couple a days ago so I knew the premise was false.
Now my next thought is who would argue for crony capitalism. Would I assume that someone who rejects Rand is for it. Absolutely not.
Apparently, Brian Doherty an objectivist does not believe Ryan is an objectivist and Ryan has stated he does believe he is an objectivist.
http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/14/ask-an-objectivist-say-no-to-paul-ryan
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/14/paul_ryan_rejects_ayn_rands_objectivism_philosophy.html
Towncrier
August 15th, 2012
4:31 pm
“…and it is just one in a long string of public expressions by Ryan of his loyalty to and faith in Rand’s philosophy.”
Have you evidence for this claim? Just curious – you don’t have to prove it to me; I just don’t have time to research it now.
“On that count, I personally find the witness of Thomas Jefferson more convincing, given that he helped to lay the foundation in question.”
Is his position that judicial review (among many things by now) is unconstitutional convincing to you as well?
“Self-love, Jefferson warned, “is no part of morality. Indeed it is exactly its counterpart. It is the sole antagonist of virtue, leading us constantly by our propensities to self-gratification in violation of our moral duties to others…. Take from man his selfish propensities, and he can have nothing to seduce him from the practice of virtue.”
One must love himself in a healthy, proper way in order to truly love his neighbor as himself. But I am not sure Jefferson would have understood that since he took it upon himself to bowdlerize and publish a greatly edited New Testament. But I would agree that selfishness can not be a grounds for morality and that Rand is an odd one to cite in support of moral positions. I have never thought well of her philosophy.
“Like his running mate, he is a child born into relative wealth and privilege. That does not make either Ryan or Mitt Romney evil, wrong, foolish or misguided. To the contrary, their shared background says nothing at all about their personal character or leadership abilities.”
Thanks for that concession. Many liberals these days seem to equate personal wealth in a political candidate with being self-serving and not interested in the plight of the common person (forgetting that Kerry, LBJ and RFK were themselves quite wealthy).
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
4:32 pm
Is it ok with you for Obama to take $1 million dollars from Bill Maher who regularly calls women the C-Word on TV?
Once again, and especially for those in the cheap seats — BILL MAHER IS A FAUX POPULIST ASSHAT DOUCHEBAG ALWAYS ON THE LOOKOUT FOR A RUNNING MOB TO JUMP IN FRONT OF AND SAY, “WAIT! WHERE ARE YOU GOING? I WANT TO LEAD YOU!
Am I happy that Obama took his money?
No, and I didn’t have any say in the matter either.
Brosephus™
August 15th, 2012
4:32 pm
Stevie Ray
It’s all about perceptions. Your opinion is based on your perceptions. The person living that life might just consider themselves lucky if they celebrate their 30th birthday, regardless of their living conditions. It’s easy for you and I to say things such as what you said. I don’t agree with your opinion at all. However, I’ve been in that part of our society. I know how some of them perceive things around them. It’s far easier to say what can be done as opposed to us doing what needs to be done.
That’s where I think we go wrong. Throwing money won’t fix things by itself. There has to be just as much of a collective effort to help those who don’t think they can do it. Listen to the way most poor people are treated. Do you honestly think that you could have a positive self image or any semblance of self-esteem if your fellow citizens referred to you as a leech or things even worse than that?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
4:32 pm
Josef,
See what exactly?
Oscar
August 15th, 2012
4:32 pm
What strikes me most about Romney and Ryan is that they are both very arrogant people.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 15th, 2012
4:33 pm
Steve — “Paul is single handedly taking down Google, HuffPo, and MSNBC looking for talking points. That would explain the slow response I am getting.”
It’s also possible that he’s busy with other things or that he might have gone home for the day.
Don’t read so much into people’s silence, n00b. People do have lives outside of the blogs on which they post.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
4:33 pm
Steve 4:28
As I said, if you haven’t the capability to discuss the meanings behind the points you post, that’s fine. .
getalife
August 15th, 2012
4:35 pm
Keep,
Figures.
drugey is fiction like this issue.
Steve Atl
August 15th, 2012
4:36 pm
Paul…I will take your silence as conceding the 4 points….go 5 tents over…there is a guy named Adam (in a pink tent) that will help you respond.
Please hurry up…I don’t have all day.
Unless you can find Adam and answer in the next 15 minutes…”You shouldn’t engage me any further”…hold on…must sip my tea…that’s right…”You musn’t engage me any further”
retired early
August 15th, 2012
4:36 pm
Stevie
I kind of put “religious” people in that broad group of “followers”…who don’t think for themselves.
By the time they go thru their parents “religious indoctrination”, critical thinking is gone.
It is a pity an atheist can’t run the country for a change…but that will not happen for a few hundred years.
TM
August 15th, 2012
4:37 pm
Why has unemployment been at 8.0+ percent for 4 years? Try not to blame Bush and focus on Obama’s policies?
-Because the unregulated Banking industry screwed up by giving away loans and despite giving them a zillion dollar bailout no one is expanding on home building which drove the low unemployment numbers for years
Is it healthy for our country to have $16 trillion in debt? Once again…please focus on the guy who said he would cut the debt in half.
No its not but should we have refused to bailed out the banks? Do we cut all government programs for the poor and rich? Yes Medicare and social security is a program for the rich/ Who do you want to throw under the bus?
What the heck happened in Egypt? Muslim Brotherhood is running the show. I
You have a problem with the people’s choice? You may not like it but you don’t live there and it was a free election.
Is it ok with you for Obama to take $1 million dollars from Bill Maher who regularly calls women the C-Word on TV?
What is great about this Country is if you don’t like something about a person you can elect not to vote for him.
Do you subscribe to the philosophy that “You did not build that” after spending 5-10 years of 60+ hour work weeks and an unmeasureable amount of blood sweat and tears in their business.
No unless he got his start though a loan with the SBA
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 15th, 2012
4:38 pm
getalife, absolutely…. but some conned sure do love these conspiracy theories.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 15th, 2012
4:38 pm
Steve — “Paul…I will take your silence as conceding the 4 points”
How do *questions* constitute points?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
4:38 pm
BRO,
I agree that our governments sole strategy with those in need is throwing money at them. Clearly doesn’t work to be certain. Every single plan is either financially bankrupt and or perpetuates the the status quo of that particular group. Sadly, those who rely on government should rise up and realize it is in fact, these enablers that keep expectations low.
I can’t relate to being called a sponge but I do know we are all, for the most part, victims mostly of ourselves and those who raised us……It’s hard to have positive ambitions if family dynamics never change to favor same..
Paul
August 15th, 2012
4:38 pm
Steve
Did you even read my 4:33?
Brosephus™
August 15th, 2012
4:39 pm
Bropheus…what a dufus…”you no longer need to engage me”…
You are on blog for a Liberal Rag…
“You no longer need to engage me” …you gonna trademark that?
I’ll offer you the same challenge… I’ll call it the “End the Jackassery Challenge”. Since you like that phrase, you have the same $100 challenge. Find the phrase, and the money is yours. Otherwise, don’t engage me.
Towncrier
August 15th, 2012
4:39 pm
“This shows that the link Jay has reference is taking Ryan completely out of context insinuating that he rejects Rand completely now which is not the case at all. ”
Well, I think Jay is claiming that Ryan has undergone a recent change of heart. And in light of your informed response to his column, I think it is a claim he should now prove (perhaps in a separate column).
getalife
August 15th, 2012
4:39 pm
A bushie chocked on cnn like ryan on fox.
The question was when does the robme budget plan( there is not one) will balance the budget.
The campaign is a joke.
Madmax
August 15th, 2012
4:40 pm
Goldie – probably more than will be solved with Obama’s plan if he ever comes up with one. How’s his plan working out. Actually, that did work out pretty well under Reagan but those were different times. I don’t agree with everything “my guys” propose and I do say let all the temporary tax cuts for everyone expire as that will generate the most revenue. It still won’t solve the deficit problem. That’s why I’m for my guys. Hopefully, we will make progress against the deficit. It’s better than just sitting in the office saying it’s not my fault, i inherited this. He asked for the job but the job has proved him not up for the task and in my opinion he needs to be replaced with someone who is willing to tackle the issue.
josef
August 15th, 2012
4:40 pm
STEVIE
The contradiction between stating that you don’t judge and then proceeding to pass judgment…
Paul
August 15th, 2012
4:40 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
They don’t – but given he’s covered making points and asking questions and diverting from explaining the meaning of those points and questions, I think it fine to just let it go.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
4:41 pm
To compare the brilliant Thomas Jefferson – in spite of his many shortcomings – with that repulsive and crazyass fiction writer is not something anyone with an IQ of 80 would even consider.
One is a hero, not just to this nation, but the entire world, while the other is a tawdry, drug addled clown worshiped by semi-literates in a dysfunctional political party…
The philosophy is basically childish, if not downright idiotic, and Ryan is living proof…
Madmax
August 15th, 2012
4:43 pm
Oscar
August 15th, 2012
4:32 pm
– Wow! and Obama isn’t?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
4:44 pm
RETIRED,
I’m atheist and the right wing religious on the GOP side scare me similar to those on the left who like to give free stuff away..anecdotally, my prognosis is that the first candidate to offer the “middle class” a $1500 rebate ala Bush will win without a sweat…
I reckon us Humanists will never be able to compete with the hoardes of (tax exempt) cash the religious folks provide to keep church and state inseparable…
The easy solution to all that ailes us is the eliminate private money from politics with constitutional amendment…too bad no courage in DC
getalife
August 15th, 2012
4:44 pm
The dems should run both ryan on fox and ed the bushie chocking on the robme budget.
Worse than palin.
pogo
August 15th, 2012
4:45 pm
So Jay would prefer a president that is born poor. Using Jay’s logic, a person born to poverty would be twisted by his/her hatred of all those that had what he did not as a child Jay and wouldn’t he as an adult try to set them right? That hatred would most certainly make him lean towards socialism and communism wouldn’t it? Just to right all those social wrongs.That is exactly the logic Jay is trying to apply to Romney and Ryan. Of course, in a way Jay is right. Just look at Obama and his longtime hatred of the American system. I mean Obama attended Wrights “The Church of Hating the White Man and America” for 20 years. You don’t sit and listen to that drivel from a maniac for that long if you don’t believe it to your core. And if you read about Obama’s childhood, his parents beliefs and his social and political affiliations in his latter years, he definitely believes it. That is the big problem. You liberals aren’t even willing to read about Obama’s early years in the fear you may find out you don’t like him very much.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
4:46 pm
Josef,
Can you enlighten me on where exactly I judged anyone in particular?
Brosephus™
August 15th, 2012
4:46 pm
I can’t relate to being called a sponge but I do know we are all, for the most part, victims mostly of ourselves and those who raised us……It’s hard to have positive ambitions if family dynamics never change to favor same..
I agree with you, and I’ll add one more thing… We’re also victims of our environment. Have you ever noticed the change in kids when they are removed from a bad situation and placed in a much better environment? They tend to do better. We, as a country, failed each other by creating the very environments that we loathe today.
Drug infested neighborhoods? Our fault. The reason I say that is because we’ve spent billions and billions of dollars trying to fight a “war” on drugs. The only people winning that war is the people importing/manufacturing the drugs and the companies selling the equipment to fight them. The easiest way to rid ourselves of drugs is to use “free market” principles. To kill a product, you have to kill the demand. If we had spent much more time and effort at getting people off drugs and keeping them from becoming dependent on them, there would be no market for the importation/manufacturing of them here.
We would probably stand a much better chance of getting rid of most of our issues if we actually stopped to look at how we could curb the negative behavior to curtail the demand for what we are trying to rid ourselves of. Wanna rid ourselves of welfare dependents? Create employment opportunities here instead of shipping them to Timbuktu.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
4:47 pm
Flip Romney/Flop Rand 2012
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
4:48 pm
BRO,
We both know that when the name calling commences, the debate is conceded by the name caller…I know others opinions of me are not my business…of course I’m preaching to the choir..
Moderate Lin
August 15th, 2012
4:49 pm
Brosephus™
August 15th, 2012
4:46 pm
I can’t relate to being called a sponge but I do know we are all, for the most part, victims mostly of ourselves and those who raised us……It’s hard to have positive ambitions if family dynamics never change to favor same..
Have you ever noticed the change in kids when they are removed from a bad situation and placed in a much better environment? They tend to do better.
+++++
You get the firm grasp of the obvious award.
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
4:49 pm
Why has unemployment been at 8.0+ percent for 4 years? Try not to blame Bush and focus on Obama’s policies?
I wonder if it had something to do with that Great Recession thingie that happened on Bush’s watch.
Scooter
August 15th, 2012
4:49 pm
So is the real compassion to realize entitlement systems need reform if they are to remain solvent for future generations, then demagogue reform proposals while offering none of your own? Furthermore, is it real compassion to have a super majority and the Presidency, then use that power to create another entitlement rather than reform the insolvent ones you realize exist? What a crock!
Politically provided compassion is a bankrupt philosophy because it will inevitably be perverted through turnover of elected officials. But hey, who is history to judge when Jay Bookman can write it away?
josef
August 15th, 2012
4:50 pm
STEVIE
Judging an individual and judging a class…frankly, I’ll opt for the former over the latter…
Aquagirl
August 15th, 2012
4:50 pm
We’re also victims of our environment.
Spittle-flecked screams from middle class white guys in 3…2…1…
Paul
August 15th, 2012
4:50 pm
“So Jay would prefer a president that is born poor. Using Jay’s logic, a person born to poverty would be twisted by his/her hatred”
It’s about empathy and understanding, pogo.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 15th, 2012
4:51 pm
Brosephus, can I get the $100 if I can cite a mislabeled you tube clip {Obama speedch oceans receding] from Obama’s June 4, 2008 speech (upon winning the Dem primaries) where Obama says “if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now we will be able to look back and tell our children that this wass the moment when we begain to provide care for the sick…. and this is the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2pZSvq9bto
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
August 15th, 2012
4:51 pm
Liberals don’t like having morality shoved down their throats, they want to shove their immorality down everybody elses throat and call it moral.
They like to change the names of morally repugnant things to sound pretty.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
4:52 pm
Aquagirl
Not if one changes it to read ‘Some of us are beneficiaries of our environment.”
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
4:52 pm
BRO,
As a recovering addict, I concur with the idea of prevention which seems to be taken more seriously by schools….I don’t think you can curb demand without curbing supply. Simply legalizing weed would and limiting it legality would take profit motive out…the harder stuff is much more complicated in my view….some of us simply can’t imbibe like normal people…it is a disease and it is genetic to a large degree….I do think schools do a good job but without parental support….bar the doors Katy.
Brosephus™
August 15th, 2012
4:53 pm
Stevie Ray
Yeah, the name calling is a dead giveaway, but as mild-mannered as I try to be, I’m getting quite sick of it. I have no problem with people expressing opinions. Just don’t come to me with garbage and expect me to take it as gospel truth without some definitive proof. If you’re gonna use sarcasm and/or hyperbole without acknowledgment, I’ll take it as you being serious, and I’m gonna start calling people on it. At some point, we all have to quit acting ignorant and begin to actually listen to each other. If not, by 2020, I think we’re going to see something far worse than we’ve ever seen in our entire history.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
August 15th, 2012
4:53 pm
Men of good fortune
often cause empires to fall
While men of poor beginnings
often can’t do anything at all
The rich son waits for his father to die
the poor just drink and cry
And me, I just don’t care at all
Men of good fortune
very often can’t do a thing
While men of poor beginnings
often can do anything
At heart they try to act like a man
handle things the best way they can
They have no rich, daddy to fall back on
Men of good fortune
often cause empires to fall
While men of poor beginnings
often can’t do anything at all
It takes money to make money they say
look at the Fords, but didn’t they start that way
Anyway, it makes no difference to me
Men of good fortune
often wish that they could die
While men of poor beginnings
want what they have and to get it they’ll die
All those great things that life has to give
they wanna have money and live
But me, I just don’t care at all
~ Lou Reed
Moderate Lin
August 15th, 2012
4:53 pm
Brosephus™
August 15th, 2012
4:46 pm
The easiest way to rid ourselves of drugs is to use “free market” principles. To kill a product, you have to kill the demand. If we had spent much more time and effort at getting people off drugs and keeping them from becoming dependent on them, there would be no market for the importation/manufacturing of them here.
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There are arguments for legalizing drugs but if you think legalizing will decrease users you are wrong. The number of users will increase.
We estimate the consumption of alcohol during Prohibition using mortality, mental health and crime statistics. We find that alcohol consumption fell sharply at the beginning of Prohibition, to approximately 30 percent of its pre-Prohibition level. During the next several years, however, alcohol consumption increased sharply, to about 60-70 percent of its pre-prohibition level. The level of consumption was virtually the same immediately after Prohibition as during the latter part of Prohibition, although consumption increased to approximately its pre-Prohibition level during the subsequent decade.
http://www.nber.org/papers/w3675
Yawn
August 15th, 2012
4:55 pm
With conservatives fretting over Saul Alinsky and liberals seeing that as silly, I find it odd you now do the same thing with Paul Ryan and Ayn Rand. Reading a book and finding portions relevant in our own lives is fairly common. I’m sure many liberals have enjoyed reading Alinsky’s book and found it enlightening, but it’s fair to assume that doesn’t ascribe the acolyte label to their consumption of it. And that idea has been scoffed at by the left. The same is true for people who have read Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, George Orwell, Paul Krugman, Karl Marx, and on down the line. Very few people get their entire philosophy, morality, and even their ‘dark thoughts’ from 1 book or author.
It’s not just politicians who should heed the advice of being a little more humble and a little less arogant, Jay. You should try using your intellect to write something with more depth. Not only is your quickly formed conclusion of Mr. Ryan very thin, your ‘morality ‘play’ doesn’t require much heavy lifting. And if you’re thinking, as all partisans do, “the other side does it” – well, let’s all admit that the phrase ‘they hit me first’ was frowned upon in grade school for a reason.
Political pundits and observationists on both sides, so consumed with creating their daily ’stake in the heart’ moment, leave us with nothing more than fluff and 18th century melodrama – too predictable and such a big yawn.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
4:55 pm
Ryan’s background also plays into the problem. Like his running mate, he is a child born into relative wealth and privilege.
Born in the skybox.
Orange 12
August 15th, 2012
4:57 pm
“meet no definition of the word “moral” that I, or Jefferson, would accept.”
Hey Jay. Didn’t Jefferson own slaves? That doesn’t sound very moral to me.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
4:57 pm
Moderate Lin,
Nice work finding the article on Ryan and his interview.
My suspicion is that Mr. Bookman knows he is compromising an rhetorical integrity he has, even as he hides behind the imprimatur of an opinion column.
Aquagirl
August 15th, 2012
4:57 pm
Not if one changes it to read ‘Some of us are beneficiaries of our environment.”
You mean Romney didn’t pull himself up by the bootstraps? He might have wads of money in part because of his environment? Heresy! The only difference between him and a black guy in jail for selling drugs is good ‘ol fashioned ‘Merican [insert stupid con meme here].
Towncrier
August 15th, 2012
4:58 pm
“Born in the skybox.”
Have you ever researched how Joseph Kennedy worked to get one of his sons (born into relative wealth and privilege) elected Kamchak? It might give you some perspective
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
4:58 pm
Keep
Nope. The initial claim was the inauguration speech. That’s why it’s the “End the Jackassery Challenge”.
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Stevie Ray
I’ve known a few addicts myself, so I somewhat understand. I can’t claim to know what it’s like, but I do know what it does to family and friends. The best approach I can see would be a concerted effort at all aspects supply, demand, and educating people.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
5:00 pm
BRO,
I agree 100%…as I try to dance equally with Clowns and Jokers, I get it from both sides and I’ve been told many times to ignore the crap as you endured today…..often unsuccessfully. It reminds me of the current Jerry Springeresque state of the presidential sweepstakes…character assassination, lies and name calling…its catching..
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
5:01 pm
There are arguments for legalizing drugs but if you think legalizing will decrease users you are wrong. The number of users will increase.
I’m not making an argument for legalization. Maybe I should have stated it, but I’m talking more about treating and trying to curb addictions. Legalization does not end the addiction, nor does it end the financial strain of trying to support a habit, whether legal or not.
Beth
August 15th, 2012
5:02 pm
Who cares about Rand. Heaven knows Bookman and other “journalists” never cared about who influenced Obama. Or perhaps they just didn’t want to disclose it.
Biden’s recent off the wall escalation in divisive rhetoric suggesting that Republicans want to put people in chains is just out of bounds and democrats either are embracing it or distancing themselves from his speech. Bookman does not see a problem with th language.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
5:03 pm
Have you ever researched how Joseph Kennedy worked to get one of his sons (born into relative wealth and privilege) elected Kamchak? It might give you some perspective
Have you ever researched where I have made any comments about the Kennedys? It might give you some perspective.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
5:03 pm
BRO,
Its a 100% family disease…I’m fortunate that those days are long, long behind me but I have to be careful…Niezche once said, “i am only a victim of myself…I have to keep that in mind as at anytime, I can jump out from behind a rock and screw myself..” Paraphrased of course..
Tundra Dude
August 15th, 2012
5:03 pm
Ayn Rand, Paul Ryan and the issue of morality
Someone should ask him: Are bailouts and subsidies moral…..??
He voted for all of them, even expanding medicare.
His voting record doesn’t look Randian at all.
He’s just a common, ordinary Teamplayer (93% with the Team)
ps: Why is the 2008 reject at the top of the ticket, when the VP nominee is the Man with the Plan….?? I
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 15th, 2012
5:06 pm
What legalizing weed (only IMO) will do is to eliminate the crime associated with distribution and to have it dispensed, like liquor, in a ID checked environment. The profit motive is eliminated…it would be just like beer now but if we can do anything we can to defer experimenting, we will accomplish much..
josef
August 15th, 2012
5:06 pm
PAUL
In case you’re still here…Common Sense says we have to do our missionary time…I’m putting us down for Ireland. Is that okay?
Mary Elizabeth
August 15th, 2012
5:06 pm
This article has needed to be written, just as it was expressed, especially in view of Ryan Paul’s beliefs. I agree with the article.
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More from the letter of Thomas Jefferson, from the link provided within the article:
“These good acts give us pleasure, but how happens it that they give us pleasure? Because nature hath implanted in our breasts a love of others, a sense of duty to them, a moral instinct, in short, which prompts us irresistibly to feel and to succor their distresses, and protests against the language of Helvetius, [ib. 2, 5,] ‘what other motive than self-interest could determine a man to generous actions?’ ”
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Earlier today, I happened to have come upon an obituary of my paternal grandmother’s uncle, my great great uncle, written in 1952. This is what his obituary said regarding his character:
“Mr.______’s neighbors unanimously agree that he was a devout Christian, devoted to his fellow men. The community will long remember him for his inexhaustible benevolence.
He always accepted his neighbors’ welfare as his personal responsibility.
It is recalled in _____________ once during World War I when a wholesaler let him have a limited amount of flour, sugar and other scarce staple goods, the wholesaler cautioned, ‘Mr. _______, don’t sell any of this; take it for your own use.’
Mr. _______ ’s reply was, ‘Why would I want to live if everyone else starved?’ ”
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Needless, to say I am proud of my great great uncle, and of the heritage of my family who, with rare exception, believe today as our great great uncle believed one hundred years ago regarding the interconnected of all human beings. Southerners all, they – like me – support President Obama’s worldview.
dbm
August 15th, 2012
5:06 pm
Jay,
Have you read any of Ayn Rand’s nonfiction?
Do you understand that she offered a moral defense of capitalism, not a pragmatic one?
Do you understand the point that to do something by government is to do it by force, so we must understand when force is justified to understand when government action is justified?
Are you aware of the role played by government interference in the disasters blamed on capitalism?
Some of your statements are vague enough to make it hard to tell what questions to ask you.
Tea
August 15th, 2012
5:06 pm
In a perfect Ayn Rand world, social darwinism prevails. Only the most economically (and physically) fit humans survive. Hey, that solves the healthcare problem (the sick simply die off) but it still pretty much leaves us in a pickle over (among other things) climate change. In a hypothetically perfect Ayn Rand world, we will never stop burning oil and coal because there is profit in it. Of course in a generation or two the human race will be irreversibly headed toward extinction on Earth. Logical? Perhaps to some, not to me.
Jefferson
August 15th, 2012
5:06 pm
Romney don’t know the price of a loaf of bread. Out of touch, in lala land. Knows only push & shove.
Towncrier
August 15th, 2012
5:07 pm
“I’m not making an argument for legalization. Maybe I should have stated it, but I’m talking more about treating and trying to curb addictions.”
I think the big obstacle in what you are suggesting, Brosephus, is the rebellious aspect of human nature, especially in youth. That, it seems to me, can best be overcome to some extent by good parenting. And therein lies another huge problem that cannot be solved by government. I wonder if we were much less urbanized as a society how that might help things.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
5:07 pm
Why is the 2008 reject at the top of the ticket, when the VP nominee is the Man with the Plan….??
To make sure Romney isn’t thrown under the bus before the convention.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
5:08 pm
Libs talking morality. That’s hilarious. Kinda like Stalin talking compassion.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
5:08 pm
Liberal Chicks are UGLY, with a name like yours, you have zero credibility when it comes to identifying “…morally repugnant things…”.
You are the very definition of a morally repugnant thing…
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
5:08 pm
“Brother, can you spare a dime bag?” – Ayn Rand
dbm
August 15th, 2012
5:08 pm
@ Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it!
August 15th, 2012
3:25 pm
Ayn Rand would not want anyone to be above the law.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
5:09 pm
Bro,
First, I wouldn’t give your address and name to Mr. Bookman. A fellow who writes and who knows so little what he’s writing about is no better than I am. He’s much worse, in fact, because he’s being paid lots of money, I’m sure.
You’re right about the date, of course. I concede. It was primary day, not inauguration. My mistake, and I might add that I got it right but the date: the messiah, the self-appreciation, all the rest.
Here’s a recording of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2pZSvq9bto
I grant you the courtesy (hopefully) of not taking his quotes so out of context as Bookman does by his completely misrepresenting Paul Ryan. I think instead of making a claim for the $100, I’ll let you buy that clip as a ringtone for my cel phone! I like it better than my current ringtone, “No no no not God Bless America, God Damn America!”
Now, if you wouldn’t mind, we can get back to the subject.
Please expound upon your claim that economic stratification has been going on since Reagan and that Obama and 8% unemployment (double or triple for other various groups) are good the economic de-stratification.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
5:09 pm
Ayn Rand. Paul Ryan
R off Ryan, makes Ayn in code.
Ohmygosh, the same cabal who got to Obama’s mom in Kenya got to Ryan’s ancestors, gave them an assumed surname, knowing Ayn would be born and put out the message a future baby Ryan would adopt as they moved the pieces on the chessboard of their national conspiracy….
Thought I’d save the birther crowd the effort – .
Jay
August 15th, 2012
5:09 pm
Towncrier, I stand by my statement, and am more than willing to let the linked interview stand as my evidence.
Jefferson
August 15th, 2012
5:10 pm
Romney’s BAIN death panels, what a great company to work for.
Morality?
August 15th, 2012
5:10 pm
Harry Weed, according to his tax return, gave $300 in charitable donations in 2009: Mitt Romney gave $150,000. Funny how these libs preach charity but don’t take part in it.
Moderate Lin
August 15th, 2012
5:11 pm
Yawn
August 15th, 2012
4:55 pm
With conservatives fretting over Saul Alinsky and liberals seeing that as silly, I find it odd you now do the same thing with Paul Ryan and Ayn Rand. ………
++++
Your post was well stated.
Michael
August 15th, 2012
5:11 pm
Alan Greenspan began his career as chairman of the fed in 1987 at the height of the Savings and Loan crisis which required an $80 billion bailout from the taxpayers. He left the fed in 2006 as the banking and insurance scandal was leading into an $800 billion bailout.
In between he demonstrated his belief in Rand by advocating deregulation and repeal of Glass Steagal. He clearly did not learn from the crisis that he observed first hand. I wonder if we’ve ever had another fed chairman involved in two crises of this magnitude.
I think he demonstrated that a Rand follower could ignore the facts and take the country over the cliff.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
5:11 pm
josef
Ireland? Me, too!!!
‘Cept I get to live in the castle at Balmoral.
Do ya’ think they’ll let us drink scotch? You know, as a gesture of goodwill to the locals?
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
5:11 pm
Mary Elizabeth,
Thanks for your post. In this setting, it makes sense to follow-up Bookman’s babbling with some of your own.
It also makes him look much less like the mediocre writer that he is.
I’m sure the host here is glad for the cover.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
5:11 pm
“Joe Biden was right. I have it on good word from a source in the Romney campaign that the Republicans are indeed planning on putting shackles on 40 million African Americans”. – Harry Reid.
OBAMA NOW GOING TO BE REELECTED
August 15th, 2012
5:12 pm
I THOUGHT THIS AYNRAND WAS A ATHEIST AND COMMUNIST.and now mister FLIP_PLOPPER number two paul ryan doesn’t want to talk about it because he admired her, and supposedly is a christian. what if OBAMA admired some atheist person, FAT BOY DRUG addicted RUSH LIMBAUGH would make his mission that OBAMA loves ATHEISTS and he’s not christian. SORRY he already does that, that he;s a MUSLIN, and MAGIC NEGROE got go, every day from day one. FATDRUGUSER limbaugh should be smiling that PRESIDENT OBAMA going to be reelected and limbaugh going to make probably 100 million dollars during next obama administration.
come on OBAMA just reelected. DO you really believe all those all people want their medicare and social security cut not while they are alive. they want that check every month some to survive and other to go gamble in las vegas,missippi, california, new jersey and anywhere where they got a casino. and acourse get all their pain pills for five dollars and some free while medicare pay the rest.
and all those women that like to have wild sex and later have abortion. and don’t forget latinos and black people getting talk down by super rich mormon that white mormon are the chosen people and rest are curse by GOD and who used all tax loopholes to pay little to nothing taxes to get richer.
If mormons believe that the richer you are when you die, you get a better big house in heaven. he wants to be the richest mormon in HEAVEN and his family admiring his huge probably one million square foot big mansion.
josef
August 15th, 2012
5:13 pm
THULSA
“Libs talking morality. That’s hilarious. Kinda like Stalin talking compassion.”
Excuse me. Who died and made you G-d?
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
5:13 pm
In the Republican Utopia that is Ayn Rand’s dreamscape, climate change would never be a concern because we would all be either dead from de-regulation or well on our way long before a mere multi-degree temperature rise could take its toll on us. Anything for a buck in a Republican’s picture-perfect world.
dbm
August 15th, 2012
5:13 pm
@ Tea
August 15th, 2012
5:06 pm
In general, you are presenting a misleading caricature.
More specifically, anthropogenic global warming is physical aggression and it is appropriate, according to Ayn Rand’s philosophy, for government to act against it.
Mary Elizabeth
August 15th, 2012
5:14 pm
Correction: “Paul Ryan,” not “Ryan Paul.” And “interconnectedness” not “interconnected.”
Moderate Lin
August 15th, 2012
5:15 pm
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
4:57 pm
Moderate Lin,
Nice work finding the article on Ryan and his interview.
My suspicion is that Mr. Bookman knows he is compromising an rhetorical integrity he has, even as he hides behind the imprimatur of an opinion column.
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I really can’t believe someone would link to another article with a quote without looking up the context.
Erwin's cat
August 15th, 2012
5:15 pm
so he read a book and found parts of it relevant to today’s issues….So what
I like what Yawn said above…which is below:
With conservatives fretting over Saul Alinsky and liberals seeing that as silly, I find it odd you now do the same thing with Paul Ryan and Ayn Rand.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
5:15 pm
“I also have documented video evidence showing Paul Ryan pushing grannys in wheelchairs over a cliff in a Republican designed Medicare cost cutting ruse”- Harry Reid
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
5:15 pm
dbm @ 506,
That his statements are vague is because he has no idea what he is saying.
When they aren’t vague, it becomes even clearer that he has no idea what he is writing above.
In the end, this forum becomes a clearing-check for liberal neovulgarities and nonsense. Look at Bookman and look at the liberal-speak here.
the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:16 pm
ryan on fox and ed the bushie on cnn proved this campaign is laughable.
cnn gives them a free pass as usual.
I think they should fire all those who took a dive for the gop on cnn and rehire Ted Turner.
cnn is unbearable and a insult to our intelligence.
Elmer Fudd's son
August 15th, 2012
5:16 pm
I read the Fountainhead when I was a kid (18) and found it entertaining. I could not finish Atlas Shrugged because it was more than fiction…it was delusional. Seems like many people have latched onto “Objectivism” as some sort of new “thought”. It’s not new. It’s just being selfish. That’s really all Objectivism is…nothing more. As I got older and read some more about the person Ayn Rand I’m glad I did not finish Atlas Shrugged. Ayn Rand had some serious mental problems. It’s hard to believe people embrace her “philosophy”.
John Galt
August 15th, 2012
5:17 pm
Its obvious you non-producing takers of society are worried. I am ROFLMAO. I think I will celebrate by firing all my employees.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
5:18 pm
“Excuse me. Who died and made you G-d?”
Romney’s new morality czar. The same one that Harry Reid said is going to be involved in everyone’s bedroom.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
5:20 pm
Do ya’ think they’ll let us drink scotch?
Interesting question.
I’ve related this story before, but — An acquaintance from years back used to manage a place at the Omni called Reggie’s, an English pub. A group of Irishmen were in town for a convention and staying at the Omni. They came in and ordered Jameson whiskey. Reggie’s didn’t stock Jameson but they did have Bushmilll’s. Upon hearing that, this group of Irishmen vehemently declared that they will not drink that Protestant whiskey, so they sat there drinking Harp lager all night.
barking frog
August 15th, 2012
5:20 pm
Ayn Rand was a suck up to
the wealthy and when they
ditched her she went to
the government well to
drink.
Elmer Fudd's son
August 15th, 2012
5:20 pm
Lastly, in Atlas Shrugged the main character’s were about to find some special “thingamajibby” that would render internal combustion engines obsolete. I’m still waiting for that to happen.
josef
August 15th, 2012
5:21 pm
PAUL
I’ll settle for a nice seaside cottage in Bantry! I’ll leave the Scotch to you,,,I figure they’ll forgive me my British Imperialist G&T so long as I share and the G-od L-rd taught us!
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:21 pm
embarrassment,
Don’t pretend to be intelligent.
You believe fiction is reality like ryan.
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
5:22 pm
More specifically, anthropogenic global warming is physical aggression and it is appropriate, according to Ayn Rand’s philosophy, for government to act against it.
Haven’t you heard! The elevated CO2 levels have resulted in more bigger corn stalks in the midwest.
They had to send in the Jolly Green Giant to pick the ernormous ears.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
5:23 pm
Moderate Lin @ 515,
I’m with you there, but I think the desire to create a straw-man argument is just too tempting, when you’re trying to fundamentally demagogue your opponent.
If Obama had a record that was worth noting or bragging about, then maybe he could take the economy out of context, for example, instead of just lying completely about Ryan.
Jay didn’t just take it out of context. He lied, period.
He knows this now, and if he had integrity he would retract his column.
The other thing I get from Bookman’s column just occured to me: his notion of “relative privilege”.
Obama grew up with a mother who was well-off enough that she could travel anywhere she liked and engage in politics. Later he grew up at an elite school in Hawaii and Ivy-league schools.
It’s a narrative that Jay is working on. It’s a shame that it isn’t labeled fiction.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
5:23 pm
Obambarrassment,
clearing-check? Is that a banking term or something like a clearing house?
And neovulgarities???
Find some other shtick.
Attempting to impress by being pedantic while at the same time saying nothing is not that attractive.
The uber-Randian Rags is the champion of that “style”…
Mr. Snarky
August 15th, 2012
5:24 pm
Paul Ryan is full of crap.
Rich people love Rand because it makes them think of themselves a heroic with sinister forces out to get them. This is diametrically opposed to the message of Christ which is that we are all sinners who should love our neighbors and look out for them. Individualism is amoral as is capitalism and socialism. All these “isms” can be good or evil depending on how the power is used used. It is democracy which ensures that an economic system is moral and benefits society. Ryan advocates policies that ensure to concentrate power and wealth in the hands of the wealthy where the poor are left to fend for themselves, thereby undermining democracy and making our society less moral.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:25 pm
How does the robme plan balance the budget stumped ryan the “budget genius”.
Yes, these cons are so intelligent they can’t answer a simple question.
You thought palin was a joke.
Good grief .
barking frog
August 15th, 2012
5:25 pm
They had to send in the Jolly Green Giant to pick the ernormous ears.
…..
I hope the President wasn’t
injured.
Morality?
August 15th, 2012
5:26 pm
Intelligence? I don’t think it’s possible to insult your intelligence. We have to find it first. Like Teddy Kennedy type of morality or Bonnie Fwank type of morality?
the word morality has been redefined by the left.
JF McNamara
August 15th, 2012
5:26 pm
@Jay,
“The “morality” that Ryan proposes would toss that balance aside, creating a system the likes of which has never been seen”
Not true. This is happening today in numerous third world countries. The consequence is an extremely poor country with a ruling class hoarding all of the wealth.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
5:27 pm
Kamchak 5:20
Too funny!!!
I WILL NOT go on that all-expense paid vacation on BRITISH AIR!! I’ll show THEM! I’ll STAY HOME!!!!
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:27 pm
embarrasment,
You are a joke like ryan.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:28 pm
frog,
I think ryan’s ears are huge.
Brain, not so much.
barking frog
August 15th, 2012
5:28 pm
Ayn Rand’s philosophy
Greed is good, meth is
better.
Rightwing Troll
August 15th, 2012
5:29 pm
“the word morality has been redefined by the left.”
And besmirched by the right…
josef
August 15th, 2012
5:30 pm
THULSA
@ 5:18
Jay
August 15th, 2012
5:31 pm
I lied, Embarrassment?
Do tell. Did I lie about the part in which Ryan celebrates Rand as the ultimate expression of capitalist morality (he also said Rand was the main reason he ran for public office), or did I lie about the part in which Ryan claims it is urban myth that he is a Rand acolyte and states that he “rejects Rand’s philosophy”?
I’ve got to run out for awhile, but I’ll pick it up on my return. It’ll give you some time in which you can try to document this “lie”.
(I do give you high marks on the pomposity scale, however.)
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:32 pm
I think a registration system would stop the silly name changers and I would like to remain getalife if possible.
I am leaving a legacy of an American with a moral compass fighting for all the American people not the billionaires that need no help from any American.
Peter
August 15th, 2012
5:32 pm
Well what is morally wrong to get rich out sourcing American jobs, as well as buying American companies, then loading them with debt, so you can make a fine commission, and bankrupt them…………….. all while saying you know how to create jobs for Americans ?
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
5:33 pm
Poor LCaU, reduced to sock puppetry to run from his own depraved words…
bman
August 15th, 2012
5:33 pm
“Do ya’ think they’ll let us drink scotch”
In the U.S. – more peoe are killed by alcohol then guns. I think…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 15th, 2012
5:34 pm
I do give you high marks on the pomposity scale, however
Of course the record is still held by Doom with Dave R, WOW and the name-changing Nothing is Free all close behind.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
5:34 pm
Elmer Fudd’s son,
Can’t say I find Rand anymore entertaining than Dave Ramsey, but there is one point on which I may agree with you. At one point in Atlas where the civil society begins to collapse that a drunk train driver decides that he will give in to the perfidious politician and drive a steam locomotive through a long tunnel.
Rand doesn’t just kill-off these characters, she justifies their guilt in their own deaths. That was a bunch for me to take. I eventually finished the novel, but at that point I had to put it down for a while.
These are just fictional characters, but I find Rand angry about the state of the West to the point that she becomes just a little unhinged.
I wouldn’t call her delusional. I think what she did was to take an awful situation she experienced and rapidly to construct a system of beliefs wherein that couldn’t happen anymore. She failed, but in doing so, she did write some successful novels, the quality of which, do not, to me, justify their success.
But they are prescient. When money fails to buy what people need, people do tend to resort to violence. That is usually when the state begins taking absolute and total control of everyone’s lives.
Still, Rand’s errors about religion and excusing traditional human beliefs and insitutions are odious.
bman
August 15th, 2012
5:34 pm
“Do ya’ think they’ll let us drink scotch”
In the U.S. – more people are killed by alcohol, than guns. I think…
Jay
August 15th, 2012
5:35 pm
I think the boy has real potential, though, Keep Up.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 15th, 2012
5:36 pm
Obam — “Later he grew up at an elite school in Hawaii”
Punahou, where Obama went, is hardly an *elite* school, though it is a very good private school. Iolani and Kamehameha are *far* more selective and have larger endowments per student than Punahou does. IIRC, there’s also a school on Maui with a pretty fat endowment as well.
In any event, in talking to residents of Honolulu County, if you asked them which was the *most* elite private school on Oahu, I think you’d find opinion roughly split between Iolani Academy and Kamehameha, with perhaps a small sliver naming Punahou.
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
5:36 pm
(I do give you high marks on the pomposity scale, however.)
Pompasity. A trait highly revered amongst Republicans. Right up there with arrogant. Not that you people would understand.
Release the tax returns, Ann Romney.
bman
August 15th, 2012
5:36 pm
I really need to drop the iPhone when posting !
PJ
August 15th, 2012
5:36 pm
“Witness: more people are on food stamps, more receiving welfare checks, more receiving Social Security disability, more unemployed, many more underemployed, college graduates unemployed at a rate of 50%.”
And there is no reason for this to be happening in light of the ten plus years of tax breaks to “the job providers”. With the tax breaks they have received over these many years (upwards of $1.77 Trillion Dollars) there should be no one who wants to work without a job. After all that was how that bill of goods was sold to the American people. Trickle down was the phrase used to describe how this was supposed to work. Well, they got the breaks and the country on a whole got the shaft. So since they don’t want to provide voluntarily (which again is what we were told) then the taxes need to go back to where they were before Bush.
And many of those that do work are working for less money. Pay people a living wage and they would not need food stamps or welfare or any of the safety nets the Right hates so much. With the tax breaks the rich got our country should be booming along according to Republican plans. Obama even extended them an additional two years just to get one year of extended unemployment benefits.
I swear to God I wish it had worked. I wish they would have created the promised jobs. I’m not a economical Liberal because I want government to run everything but the economical Conservative leaves me no choice; because left on to the mercies of the Capitalists were would return to the day of Lords and Serfs. There can be a happy medium but when one party (as said by McConnell) is bent on destroying one man because they don’t like him for one reason or another and they don’t care if the entire nation goes under in the process well what are the people in the other party to do? What are Independents, who really try to stay neutral, to do?
$1.77 Trillion Dollar tax base could have built a lot of roads, schools, light rail lines, bridges (to somewhere), etc…
If the “job creators” would only give us number on how much and how many more years they need to start hiring then at least we can then know when happy days will start again.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
5:36 pm
…but I find Rand angry about the state of the West to the point that she becomes just a little unhinged.
And the Pacific Ocean is just a little mud puddle.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
5:37 pm
JamVet
“Poor LCaU, reduced to sock puppetry to run from his own depraved words…”
http://tinyurl.com/bragxoh
You libs
August 15th, 2012
5:38 pm
“Four more beers! Four more beers!”
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
5:39 pm
I get it from both sides and I’ve been told many times to ignore the crap as you endured today…..often unsuccessfully.
One bit of advice…. Duck and weave…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 15th, 2012
5:39 pm
Jay, records are meant to be broken. The potential is definitely there so you may be right.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
August 15th, 2012
5:41 pm
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:28 pm
frog,
I think ryan’s ears are huge.
Brain, not so much.
Have you seen Obama’s ears? Brain not so much….
Watch Obama’s face on this clip and see if he even knows what the heck Ryan is talking about. I wish Ryan was the opponent, not Mittens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1yTY2MciOk
Bernie
August 15th, 2012
5:42 pm
No one has mentioned this, YET!, But….. I will!
We have one that BAPTIZES DEAD PEOPLE and his Hot DOG DRIVING CAR Companion now says on camera, he (Paul RYAN) IDOLIZES a woman who all, but said “SHE HATES, BABY JESUS!” and she does not believe in MAN Created RELIGION.
You Republicans, have Truly OUT DONE, your selves on this one!
If, I did not know any better, I would say in these two:
MITT ROMNEY – ” THE PROUD ONE ” & PAUL RYAN ” THE LITTLE HORN”.
They very well maybe , The ONE, we have ALL been waiting ON… to APPEAR!
We have ISREAL …preparing For WAR, as we speak!
Truly, The Southern BAPTIST Christians “ALL OVER” are going to have to do a WHOLE LOT OF SOUL SEARCHING and PRAYING between now and November. They have already been lukewarm to Mitt as it is, like a “COLD FISH”.
Not until recently, were they made aware of MITT’s penchant for BAPTIZING THE DEAD! Something, they themselves have never heard of such a practice before and certainly would not DO or Believe In!
Now to hear, Paul Ryan personally GLORIFY and PRAISE in HIS OWN WORDS !
This………. ATHEIST woman!
Surely, Pastor BOB is going to get a few calls this evening….about this!
I think they both now have much bigger problems because of this video, more than they have had with the FEIGNED OUTRAGE of Vice President JOE BIDEN.
The church going crowd in the South will see this, for what it represents. A SIGN!
Is this the CREW …… we REALLY want in the WHITEHOUSE at THIS TIME!
I ask OF You?
Peter
August 15th, 2012
5:43 pm
Hey PJ call a spade a spade……….
Trickle down was the phrase used to describe how this was supposed to work.
That would be Piss on you Economics.
Yes funny the RICH have gotten more wealthy and the poor have become a greater number….but the Rich are still trying to figure out how to hire folks, because we are in a shaky economy !
The whole rich creating jobs is a scam by the Republican’s… the real deal is the CEOs are paying themselves a disproportionate amount, so there is where the money is going……back in their own pockets, all the while….. the struggling worker has been given a larger work load, and still fears being fired.
zeke
August 15th, 2012
5:44 pm
repubs promote voter suppression and hide behind fraud issue, it is they that are the fraudsters
Towncrier
August 15th, 2012
5:45 pm
“Towncrier, I stand by my statement, and am more than willing to let the linked interview stand as my evidence.”
Well, it appears that your argument is that Ryan is a dyed-in-the-wool Randian (as it appears from my reading around that a number of liberals are also contending). Of that, you have not convinced me. I will concede, however, that it is disturbing Ryan didn’t seem to understand that citing Rand as a strong influence and speaking of her morality would be seen as at odds with his professed Christian beliefs. Rand was “aligned” (as it were) with the GOP for many years, but I am not sure what attraction she had for the party. I am a social conservative more than anything, so therein lies my confusion. Even if one believes strongly in personal responsibility (as I do), there are much better sources for that kind of thinking than Rand (in my opinion).
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:45 pm
No tax returns for “you people” is a bit arrogant but “trust me on my taxes” is just ignorant.
Ask them how the robme budget plan balances the budget.
It is one of the “gotcha lame street media” questions.
They make palin look intelligent.
Peter
August 15th, 2012
5:45 pm
zeke . have we heard how Romney and Ryan are going to pay for the 2 Bush Wars yet ?
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
5:46 pm
That, it seems to me, can best be overcome to some extent by good parenting. And therein lies another huge problem that cannot be solved by government.
True. I think what helped me out most was the “it takes a village to raise a child” like atmosphere in which I grew up. If I wanted to act up or act out away from home, I knew that the story of my misdeeds would likely beat me home. The consequences of me losing that foot race was more than enough motivation to keep me from challenging it.
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Please expound upon your claim that economic stratification has been going on since Reagan and that Obama and 8% unemployment (double or triple for other various groups) are good the economic de-stratification.
When you show proof where I made such a claim, I will expound upon it. I will not, however, demean myself in even attempting to explain or defend a position that I did not advocate myself and that someone has attempted to pin on me.
As to Jay, he has my email address. If he ever needs to reach me, he knows how to get me.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
August 15th, 2012
5:47 pm
zeke
August 15th, 2012
5:44 pm
repubs promote voter suppression and hide behind fraud issue, it is they that are the fraudsters
Facts please??
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
August 15th, 2012
5:48 pm
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:45 pm
No tax returns for “you people” is a bit arrogant but “trust me on my taxes” is just ignorant.
Ask them how the robme budget plan balances the budget.
It is one of the “gotcha lame street media” questions.
They make palin look intelligent
How does Robme’s plan balance the budget? At least he could propose a tangible budget and get more democrat votes on it than O’budgetless. Oh, and how is his budget balancing plan working out for you?
Peter
August 15th, 2012
5:49 pm
fraud issues………
WMD “Cost Plus Contracts” deficits don’t matter
Questions ?
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
5:49 pm
It began, according to a 2005 speech Ryan gave to The Atlas Society, when he was still a student. And it guided his thinking on monetary policy for decades to come:
“I grew up reading Ayn Rand and it taught me quite a bit about who I am and what my value systems are,” he told the group. “It’s inspired me so much that it’s required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff.”
Ryan has since denied making his staff read the books.
He continued: “But the reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand. And the fight we are in here, make no mistake about it, is a fight of individualism versus collectivism.”
Rand’s literary inner circle was called, ironically perhaps, “The Collective.”
Individualism, or objectivism in some cases, provides the philosophical underpinnings for most of Rand’s narratives. The novelist and literary critic Harriet Rubin wrote bluntly in the New York Times that “Atlas Shrugged” is a ”glorification of the right of individuals to live entirely for their own interest.”
It also celebrates atheism, treating religion with a degree of scorn.
“If devotion to truth is the hallmark of morality, then there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking,” one of Rand’s characters says in the novel, the “alleged short-cut to knowledge, which is faith, is only a short-circuit destroying the mind.”
This is where politicians and business leaders tend to pull up.
Ryan has, as noted above, taken a step back from his impassioned Rand-regard in the past few years. And in an interview with the National Review this April, he did a pretty firm about-face:
“I reject her philosophy,” Ryan says firmly. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,” who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. “Don’t give me Ayn Rand,” he says
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:50 pm
princess ,
No.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
August 15th, 2012
5:50 pm
Democrats and unions use dead peoples votes and illegal immigrants. Who’s the fraud now??
Towncrier
August 15th, 2012
5:51 pm
“…or did I lie about the part in which Ryan claims it is urban myth that he is a Rand acolyte and states that he “rejects Rand’s philosophy”?”
I would say you have not proven Ryan is a “Rand acolyte” (at least to my satisfaction) – I mean, you are basically claiming Ryan is a religious devotee of Rand. That sets a high bar for proof.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
5:51 pm
Paul, hysterical.
This topic certainly has the GOP faithful shook up, huh?
The reaction is what I would expect from non-Republicans if Jefferson’s philosophy was repudiated.
With Willard’s selection of this new nobody running from his own shadows, I would say it is official.
This is the weakest, sorriest Republican duo to run for the White House in my lifetime.
They make McCain/Palin look like FDR/Truman…
Omawumi
August 15th, 2012
5:51 pm
VP-to-be Paul Ryan is all the better man for his adherence to Randian philosophy. Another Rand protege, the maestro Alan Greasepan, did pretty well for himself and the rest of us.
Sipping this new Jack Daniels Tennessee Honey even as we speak. Omawumi highly recommends it for unleashing the creative juices!
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
August 15th, 2012
5:52 pm
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:50 pm
princess ,
No.
Better jump to the wingfield blog if that is the best you can do…
PJ
August 15th, 2012
5:52 pm
Peter @5:43 pm
“That would be Piss on you Economics.”
Love the phrasing. And so true.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:52 pm
princess,
Deflection.
There is no robme budget plan or any details to his bs.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
5:52 pm
Oh goody, princess is here.
Rumor has it princess, that the AJC blogs will be getting a register system to comment here. Is your IP spoofer thingie gonna defeat that?
If not, which of your sock-puppets will you decide on?
zeke
August 15th, 2012
5:53 pm
fresh piece …..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8
if you need someone to spell it out for you to can do that a little later as dinner calls
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
August 15th, 2012
5:53 pm
With Willard’s selection of this new nobody running from his own shadows, I would say it is official.
This is the weakest, sorriest Republican duo to run for the White House in my lifetime.
You really want to watch Biden and Ryan debate? Biden will supply the chains. Bwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaahhhhhh
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:54 pm
“Better jump to the wingfield blog if that is the best you can do…”
I read drudgey and saw it.
I will no longer help Kyle for hits.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 15th, 2012
5:54 pm
G. Three Shoes — ““I reject her philosophy,” Ryan says firmly. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview.”
To be accurate, Congressman Ryan, it’s a philosophy developed *by* an atheist, but there’s nothing about it that prevents theists from adopting it. After all, *you* certainly seemed to have embraced it wholeheartedly at one time.
I’m out. All be well and drive safely.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
5:55 pm
The robme campaign is a joke.
No detailed plans just lies and slinging poo princess.
Go back to Kyle’s he need the hits.
Peter
August 15th, 2012
5:56 pm
Yes PJ…. I have been calling that Reagan Policy that name for years !
It is so fitting……. the Rich have gotten super Rich, the poor greater in numbers…..all the while Business leaders / CEOs are “Scarred” of the economy… HA HA HA HA HA HA … that is a serious JOKE !
Joseph
August 15th, 2012
5:57 pm
This is really not gonna help your cause Jay considering who Obama’s mentors are. Rev. Wright, Frank Marshall Jones, Bill Ayers… LOL… You better stick to the issue’s Bookman. That way even the lemmings who follow you will have a little fodder….
Dave
August 15th, 2012
5:58 pm
“[P]articularly young people.” I loved Atlas Shrugged, Fountainhead and the others. I was a late bloomer and thought objectivism was wonderful into my mid twenties. Anyone that loves it past that point, needs to get out more. The short take is that it works in a storybook world that Rand created. It doesn’t work in the real world. Representative Ryan, if he really bought the silliness until three years ago needs some therapy.
zeke
August 15th, 2012
5:58 pm
towncrier, with all the youtuble clips of ryan discussing his devotion to rand you must be oblivious
Peter
August 15th, 2012
5:58 pm
PJ ……I also brought up that Reagan raised taxes……. Gee what a concept after he ballooned the deficit….. but the Republican’s didn’t want to hear about that !
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
August 15th, 2012
5:59 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
5:52 pm
Oh goody, princess is here.
Rumor has it princess, that the AJC blogs will be getting a register system to comment here. Is your IP spoofer thingie gonna defeat that?
If not, which of your sock-puppets will you decide on?
Bud, you’re out of your arena here. Ip spoofers work great, I’ve tested them. But right now all I have to do is take my laptop to any public location and I skate right through. You obtain a new I.P. address from any public location when you log on to their network. In case you didn’t know…. Which tells me they like the engagement, it makes for entertaining reading for their I.T. guys who are probably high I.Q. AND Conservative.
Peter
August 15th, 2012
6:00 pm
Joseph.. well who is it then.. is Ryan a religious guy in a wolf’s cloak, or an Atheist at heart as he speaks ?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
6:00 pm
towncrier, with all the youtuble clips of ryan discussing his devotion to rand you must be oblivious
There are none so blind, etc…etc…etc….
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:00 pm
princess,
So you admit you are a name changer and beating the ban on you??
Joseph
August 15th, 2012
6:01 pm
Rev. Wright, Barry Obama and the issue of sanity….
Joseph
August 15th, 2012
6:02 pm
Frank Marshall Davis, Barry Obama and the issue of communism….
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
6:02 pm
When you have to buy an IP spoofer and then run around from place to place so you can stay on a blog, how sad you must be…………….
just saying
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
6:04 pm
Ryan would be a great debate.
Against himself. If he could even understand what he is saying, which might be a stretch.
He shares that trait with Willard. And most of the other gutless weather vane cons in Washington.
They were both for it before they were against it before they were for it. (Or is it the other way around?)
So go ahead and pin your desperate hopes on the upcoming
debatesparallel interviews, Bill.They are just a corproate sponsored exercise in circle-jerkery for TV addicts and other such dolts
Your spineless Republican duo are gonna join the McCain/Palin club soon…
Joseph
August 15th, 2012
6:04 pm
Obama’s hero and spiritual adviser…..
http://youtu.be/406rbJ73CZ8
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:04 pm
Both,
Very sad indeed.
I think the cons are proving RW right on a registration system.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
6:05 pm
Joseph, didn’t you get the word?!
You namesake, Joseph McCarthy is dead!
And his demented witch hunts for “communists, Marxists, socialist and pinkos” (oh my!) died a hideous death. Along with his legacy!
And America celebrated!
Except apparently for in a bizarre little element in the GOP, where it still survives like some Klannish anachronism…
josef
August 15th, 2012
6:05 pm
@ 5:42
Whee…. S-gi-na is here!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
6:06 pm
Condi Rice, George Bush and the issue of the smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
6:06 pm
getalife
Not only do it, but say you are doing it.
bwhahahahahahahah
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
6:07 pm
Dick Cheney, George Bush and the issue of yellow cake uranium.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:09 pm
Both,
And claim to be intelligent?
Their minds should be studied.
Something ain’t right.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
6:09 pm
JamVet
“They make McCain/Palin look like FDR/Truman…”
Just when you think there’s no way they can outdo themselves…
josef 6:05
trying to behave…. trying…. trying…..
Bernie
August 15th, 2012
6:10 pm
“No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money. Matthew 6:24
Tom Middleton
August 15th, 2012
6:10 pm
But didn’t Jesus say: “What benefit will it be to you if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul”? (Mark 8:36)
Jay, maybe this is why there are so many SOULLESS Republicans around these days, those willing to do and say anything for political power and wealth. They keep trying to live Ayn Rand instead of the Jesus they claim!
Donovan
August 15th, 2012
6:10 pm
You preach morality as a liberal Democrat? Does Bill Clinton, Elliot Spitzer, and Barney Frank ring a bell with you? These immoral cheese balls were way up there in their political positions.
This low character hit piece is typical of the Democrat Party and it’s minions attempting to sway voter appeal. It suspiciously reeks of a college thesis that never got published by a frustrated liberal journalist. Dusted off from an attic box in the Bookman household. No sale here. You are only preaching to the choir.
Your conclusions are all wrong, Dr. Bookman. You are out of your league, just like Obama, in your psychoanalysis of Paul Ryan. Liberals are automatically disqualified from any critique of Ayn Rand, based on their core beliefs. Ayn Rand is the anti-Christ of your liberal world. Stay out of something you don’t comprehend.
Ayn Rand’s novels have best sellers for over five decades. Obviously, she has a very wide following and your comments are foolishly irrelevant, based on the popularity of Ayn’s writing. You might say that your voice is comparatively irrelevant, as well.
Stick to what you all know. I am sure that all you progressives have copies of Karl Marx’s Manifesto and Vladimir Lenin’s preachings on your bookshelves for inspiration and reference. Your blog writings and your political tactics explain my accusations.
Coincidentally, this election year shapes up to be a showdown of principles and ideas of two diametric philosophies. Pragmatic conservatism versus liberal lunacy. Higher virtues versus lower values (look at your campaign). Personal character versus gutter character (look at Biden’s “back in chains” speech).
Read Atlas Shrugged. Read The Fountainhead. Paul Ryan is not the problem. He is the solution and you are the LOOTERS.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
6:11 pm
“I do give you high marks on the pomposity scale, however”
Of course the record is still held by Doom with Dave R, WOW and the name-changing Nothing is Free all close behind.- keep up
Well hell. I didn’t realize the others had closed the gap on me. I better up my game and put some distance between me and them other small timers.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:11 pm
don.
Are you against corporate welfare?
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
6:12 pm
When you have to buy an IP spoofer and then run around from place to place so you can stay on a blog, how sad you must be…………….
Yuuuuuuuuuppppppppp!!!!!!
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:12 pm
doomy,
Yes, the competition are using ip spoofers to get past bans.
Way behind.
PJ
August 15th, 2012
6:13 pm
Peter…keep up the good work. Although facts get in the way of this current crop of Cons. Deficits, raising taxes, starting unnecessary wars, unfunded mandates and the like only matter when the Dems are in charge. They hate the sinner not the sin.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
6:14 pm
Bro @ 6:12
There is nothing normal about that. Nothing at all.
Like the moniker
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
6:15 pm
Well hell. I didn’t realize the others had closed the gap on me. I better up my game and put some distance between me and them other small timers.
Doom
Did you happen to catch this today?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/ncaa/08/15/Alabama-NCAA-violations.ap/index.html
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
6:16 pm
But didn’t Jesus say: “What benefit will it be to you if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul”? (Mark 8:36)
Jay, maybe this is why there are so many SOULLESS Republicans around these days….
Tom Middleton,
Yep. And I believe Jesus also said something about judging lest you be judged. Since you’re quoting Jesus and all its a pretty good scripture for you to learn given your judgement of Repubs as “SOULLESS”.
Bernie
August 15th, 2012
6:16 pm
Donovan @ 6:10 pm – So said, The Wolf to the SHEEP!
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:18 pm
I was thinking what our economy would look like without any corporate welfare or loop holes in laws.
Perhaps don would like to opine on the looters.
PJ
August 15th, 2012
6:19 pm
Donovan @6:10 pm
Again…put it in a Hallmark Card. When you only care to send the very best.
F. Sinkwich
August 15th, 2012
6:21 pm
While Jay ignores O’bozo’s mentors (Wright, Ayers, Marxist parents, the vile comrades he “sought out” as friends in college, etc.), he also ignores O’bozo’s new catchphrase: Shared Prosperity.
Even the leftie dupes on this blog understand that Shared Properity = Equality of Outcomes. Like the term “Social Justice,” both are euphemisms for Marxism — from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.
There is no other explanation.
While you looney tune lib ilks here worry about Ayn, you might want to think about life in the Soviet Union and eastern Europe during the cold war which is the ultimate goal of O’bozo for the USA.
Scary.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:21 pm
“FROM AP: Boehner to House GOP: Play offense on Medicare… ”
Flip the house dem.
Jeffrey
August 15th, 2012
6:22 pm
I know a lot of stupid rich kids that love rand, no surprise two of them end up on the same crappy GOP ticket
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
6:22 pm
They BOTH
Thanks. Even though I thought I was stating the obvious earlier, I found out I won that award today. If other’s can brag about themselves here, I guess I can too.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
6:24 pm
Bernie
“We have ISREAL …preparing For WAR, as we speak!”
So maybe this is history repeating itself, like with the Assyrians, the Persians and the Romans?
Can’t stand in the way of the tides of history, don’tcha’ know?
kayaker 71
August 15th, 2012
6:24 pm
Just as Ayn Rand may have influenced Ryan, there is no doubt that Bozo had numerous people who influenced him in his quest to mold this country into his own image. His upbringing, his surroundings, his Muslim faith in the early years, his family….. all contributed to the person we see today in the WH. We are all products of where we have been and who we have known. Ryan is no exception. Neither is Bozo.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
6:24 pm
Brocephus,
Yep. I saw that plastered all over the AJC. Michael Carvell is about as obsessed and consumed with Nick Saban as keep up is with me.
The 27 secondary violations is nothing and is basically meaningless. All programs routinely commit numerous secondary violations throughout the year and report them to the NCAA. They are for the most part unintentional, accidental and rather small things. The NCAA just responds with a please do a better job response.
I think Ohio State was reporting an average of over 30 a year for 5 years and it was no big deal. They reported 46 last year and in this report from the Big 10 it states that member institutions routinely report 15-30 per year on average. A big ta do about nada.
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/50699/some-context-on-b1g-secondary-violations
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:24 pm
Bro,
Self report like self deport
What is Bama ranked again?
zeke
August 15th, 2012
6:25 pm
Donvan,
seems something amiss with ryan’s approach to catholic bishops and nuns (i trust them more)
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=14247
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/02/paul-ryan-vs-catholic-nuns-on-a-bus/
Tom
August 15th, 2012
6:25 pm
Here’s a good test of Rand’s “philosophy”: in any sentence using the name “Ayn Rand,” substitute the name “L. Ron Hubbard.” As you’ll see, they’re 100% interchangeable: sub-literary hacks scribbling out turgid potboilers and “non-fiction” works which are adopted as world-historical philosophical systems of the most profound significance by their tiny class of pathetic acolytes and as ludicrous garbage by absolutely everyone else. Donovan’s 6:10 contribution above is a perfect example.
Bernie
August 15th, 2012
6:26 pm
This………. ATHEIST! Look at THE GOLD PIN she is wearing!
All the GOD FEARING, FREEDOM LOVING REPUBLICANS, just dropped a HUGE LOAD in their pearly white UNDIES!
I can hear Mitts new Campaign theme song now!
” PIMPS don’t CRY! ”
Mitt & PAUL…….see you when you return in 2016!
Its OVER!
Tom Middleton
August 15th, 2012
6:27 pm
Thulsa
Oh Thulsa, you’re so igonorant. The “judgment” of Jesus implies punishment, as in sitting in JUDGMENT of others and handing down the punishment.
It has nothing to do with not being able to recognize good and evil in ourselves and others, and, of course, not telling the truth. Been to church lately?
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
6:27 pm
getalife,
After Bama beats the living hell out of Michigan we move to no.1. If folks new Tyrann Mathieu was going to be gone for the year that would have nudged Bama past LSU in the first poll. Not that rankings matter. As LSU found out last year the only ranking that matters is the final one. Fear Saban.
zeke
August 15th, 2012
6:27 pm
but what about tom cruise and vinnie barbarino?
Paul
August 15th, 2012
6:28 pm
Sinkwich
“Shared Properity = Equality of Outcomes”
Shared equals Equal?
Really?
So if your tell your son to share his popcorn with his sister, you tell him he has to give her half?
And BTW, can you please point me to those videos Pres Obama made where he said Ayres, Wright et al formed the basis of his political beliefs and are the reason he ran for office?
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
6:28 pm
Sandwich and Don,
Read my to 6:05 Joseph.
You nutjobs are stuck in 1956 stupid…
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
6:29 pm
Romney Sees No Immediate Bounce From Ryan V.P. Pick
Support at 46% before naming Ryan, 47% after
by Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ — Mitt Romney’s standing in the presidential election campaign has not changed materially in the immediate days after his announcement of Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan as his vice-presidential running mate. The first four days of Gallup Daily tracking after Romney’s announcement show 47% of registered voters saying they would vote for Romney and 45% for Barack Obama if the election were held today. The four days prior showed Romney at 46% and Obama at 45%.
Dave
August 15th, 2012
6:29 pm
“Ayn Rand’s novels have best sellers for over five decades. Obviously, she has a very wide following and your comments are foolishly irrelevant, based on the popularity of Ayn’s writing.”
Donovan, by the same metric all of the writings of Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism and various other religions and philosophies, having wide following for much longer than Rand have the same or more relevancy than than Rand.
If you want to convince people you are right, it’s probably not a good idea to tell them they are stupid from the get go.
stands for decibels
August 15th, 2012
6:30 pm
“If Paul Ryan wins, you can bet some things will get named after Ayn Rand, probably the stadium where they hold the Hunger Games.”
classic.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
6:31 pm
Tom Middleton,
Nope. The moral of the story is that hypocrites like yourself shouldn’t sit in such arrogant judgement of other people. Who are you Tom? God??? Your foolishness precedes you sir.
josef
August 15th, 2012
6:31 pm
PAUL
L-rd, knows, I’m trying
But, as S-GI-NA says
“We have ISREAL …preparing For WAR, as we speak!
We has to keep it REAL!
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:33 pm
doomy,
I think Bama should self report losing bowl eligibility this year
stands for decibels
August 15th, 2012
6:33 pm
All those great things that life has to give
they wanna have money and live
But me, I just don’t care at all
yep, whenever I’m feeling down, I just slap on that old “Berlin” disk and I feel 97 again.
Everyman
August 15th, 2012
6:33 pm
Atlas Shrugged Part 2 will be in theaters October 12th, 2012.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
6:34 pm
josef
Well…. maybe he means the figurative House of Israel and ‘war’ in the figurative sense used in the NT.
But I wouldn’t bet on it….
F. Sinkwich
August 15th, 2012
6:34 pm
“Sandwich and Don,
Read my to 6:05 Joseph.”
No thanks. I’ve seen your drivel too often as it is.
F. Sinkwich
August 15th, 2012
6:37 pm
Paul, take off your blinders. O’bozo is not who you think he is.
He wants to diminish our country.
Don’t believe me?
Think about his words, and his deeds.
southern white boy
August 15th, 2012
6:38 pm
all the ayn rand loving moralists might want to check out how ayn lived her life to see if she was the kind of role model they really want to endorse.
great column jay. the hypocrisy of mr ryan and the mean-spirited nature of his budget needs to be exposed. it is ironic that the region that will be hurt the most by his budget is the region that is most republican, voting against its own interest time after time. think where the South would be without the investments of the federal government over the past 70+ years.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
6:38 pm
getalife,
Bama is going to have to self report to PETA after we inflict pain, cruelty, and misery on tigers, bulldogs, razorbacks, etc this year. Heck we’ve got 3 different sets of tigers that we will be abusing- LSU, Missouri, and Auburn tigers and possibly as many as 2 different sets of Bulldogs Mississippi St and Georgia. Either that or we’ll be abusing some chickens in the sec title game.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:38 pm
filky,
Deflect to lies and sling poo is getting old.
cons all write the same drivel.
You libs
August 15th, 2012
6:38 pm
I just noticed the bling in Ayn’s mug shot.
Does that say it all or what?
Mammon, baby.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
6:38 pm
Getting here really, really late! Upthread someone said Romney and Ryan are arrogant. I think it’s MUCH worse than that. I think they are smug. Arrogance is pretty easy to topple. Smugness, not so much.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
6:40 pm
Probably best, Frank.
It would require that you take your head out of certain body cavity!
F. Sinkwich
August 15th, 2012
6:40 pm
“The first four days of Gallup Daily tracking after Romney’s announcement show 47% of registered voters saying they would vote for Romney and 45% for Barack Obama if the election were held today.”
Wow. O’bozo is behind with “registered” voters? He must be really behind with those who actually vote.
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
6:41 pm
Self report like self deport
What is Bama ranked again?
Nobody has ever won a race simply by starting it in first place. It’s where you end up that really matters.
—————
Doom
Yeah, I know. I got teased about it a bit at work today. I replied that, if that’s the worst anybody can get on Bama, the NCAA may as well start engraving the championship trophies now for 2012-2013 sports.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
6:41 pm
For those who love Rasmussen……….
http://www.nationalpolls.com/stories/2012/0810-obama-284.html
Uh oh
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:42 pm
doomy,
Our schedule is pretty weak this year.
Our biggest game is at home on 11/03 vs Bama.
Tom Middleton
August 15th, 2012
6:43 pm
Thulsa
As usual you’re wrong, Thusa. If I am wrong in what I said, then why were we given the Golden Rule if we can’t tell good from evil? Kind of a no-brainer, don’t you think?
Maybe you should try to understand Jesus through inclusive thinking, prayer, and meditation, instead of trying to find his meaning in the bottoms of endless bottles of beer! LOL
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
6:43 pm
“I think they are smug.”
Naw. Smug is when you loosely throw around slavery references in tasteless and ridiculous fashion as if you know what the hell you are talking about. Or smug would be a community organizer with no meaningful private sector experience and very little national political experience thinking he’s qualified to run the most powerful nation in the world. Sad would be when a lot of people agree with him.
stands for decibels
August 15th, 2012
6:44 pm
Not until recently, were they made aware of MITT’s penchant for BAPTIZING THE DEAD! Something, they themselves have never heard of such a practice before and certainly would not DO or Believe In!
I really hope the comments page updates include a clown filter.
josef
August 15th, 2012
6:44 pm
DOGGONE
I had been casting around for the right adjective. I think you nailed it.
Erwin's cat
August 15th, 2012
6:45 pm
I’m not sure who’s obsessed with Rand more
stands for decibels
August 15th, 2012
6:45 pm
Atlas Shrugged Part 2 will be in theaters October 12th, 2012.
Dozens, perhaps scores, will pay money to see it.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
6:46 pm
Tomfoolery Middleton,
Tom as I nice gesture I would offer you a beer next time you take to reading your Bible scriptures. Of course that probably wouldn’t be the right thing to do. Though I suspect you imbibe a lot anyway when you read Bible verses. Either hard liquor or a lot of kook left koolaid I suspect.
F. Sinkwich
August 15th, 2012
6:47 pm
“It would require that you take your head out of certain body cavity!”
Jammie is soooo funny!
It’s well known that a primary defense mechanism of intellectually deficient individuals is to lash out at their betters with sophomoric scatological references.
Seek help, dude.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
6:47 pm
Doomy, do you know what the line is on that opener?
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
6:47 pm
“I had been casting around for the right adjective. I think you nailed it”
Thanks! To me arrogance is turned outwards: “You are inferior to me”, but smugness is turned inwareds: “I am better than you”
I think Ryan comes closer to arrogance than Romney, but he still seems to me to be on the “right side” of smugness. For now anyway.
josef
August 15th, 2012
6:48 pm
THULSA
“Naw. Smug is when you loosely throw around slavery references in tasteless and ridiculous fashion as if you know what the hell you are talking about.”
That swipe at Copy Me Plugs is just plumb silly. For the love of G-d, Mec, the Court Jester makes enough real gaffes to keep you busy for a week without stretching credulity to this point.
Ahem
August 15th, 2012
6:49 pm
Should we be expecting a piece soon on Obama’a influences and those he was influenced by and is still enamored with? Alinsky; Ayers; Wright; Davis; Dorn; Obama. Sr.; …? Not here of course.
Jay is little more than a democrat operative and could be reasonably tagged as a lackey or shill.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
6:49 pm
“I’m not sure who’s obsessed with Rand more”
Are you kidding? When Jay feeds them the Ayn Rand stuff its like raw meat to some of the far left kooks. They eat it up and bark even more vociferously. They do love they Ayn Rand obsession they do.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:49 pm
corporate media is doing a good job for robme.
His plans have no details but they give him a free pass.
Thank God football is back.
Erwin's cat
August 15th, 2012
6:50 pm
It’s well known that a primary defense mechanism of intellectually deficient individuals is to lash out at their betters with sophomoric scatological references.
nice parody
You libs
August 15th, 2012
6:50 pm
getalife
I met Mett on the first day of his life here. His dad and I worked together for years. I’ve never met a man who pound-for-pound has more strength and coordination. His mom is one of the most competent, hard-working people I’ve ever known. Zach is those two squared.
QB was the Achilles heel last year. It won’t be this year.
Ahem
August 15th, 2012
6:52 pm
I heard today on NPR that Romney is now garnering more of the youth vote than Uncle Hope ‘n Change. I also heard that the Republican Party is now winning the Medicare argumant as the truth is coming out. Gallup still has Romney ahead. And then there is Ol’ Joe Biden. HAHAHAHAHA
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:52 pm
Actually, the rand fictional bs did not long as a topic.
Jackie
August 15th, 2012
6:53 pm
@Ahem
Is President Obama your uncle?
josef
August 15th, 2012
6:53 pm
DOGGONE
It’s too bad we’ve worn out “clueless.” That one seems to me to sum up Romney. I confess a certain sympathy for him. Ryan? All I want to do is slap that smug qu*en into next Tuesday…
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
6:54 pm
Jamvet,
Its 13. I already put $200 down and am going to put another $300 down but I’m hoping it will drop to 11 or 12. If it doesn’t or even goes up I’m still plunking more down. I’m thinking its going to be a slaughter. Remember what Miss state did to Michigan 2 years ago 52-14 in the bowl game. This is going to be just as bad. If we don’t cover I’m sure you libruls will have plenty to razz me on. Not to mention the humiliation of losing $500 on a silly football bet. I think I just made some folks new Michigan fans. Tee hee.
ODD OWL
August 15th, 2012
6:54 pm
Paul “Ayn Rand” Ryan is an extreme right wing, hardcore, cutthroat capitalist… Paul “Rand” Ryan apparently worship Ms. Rand as a Goddess of greed… Ryan and the rest of these cutthroat capitalists Republicans apparently have a severe case of selective amnesia… They’ve calculatively forgotten about the fact that capitalism is predicated on a “slave labor” work force… Capitalism doesn’t work properly without a slave labor work force… Paul Ryan is ignorant and if he and the rest of his Republican co-conspirators are really interested in learning about capitalism, they should read “Das Capital” by Karl Marks… It explains capitalism in lurid detail… Vice President Joe Biden hit the nail on the head when he said that the Republicans want to put the chains back on you. The V.P. meant all of the non rich Americans, Blacks, Whites, Brown and yellow… In the minds of the Republicans, wealth is the great divider that determines whether you’re a slave or a freed man…
stands for decibels
August 15th, 2012
6:54 pm
They do love they Ayn Rand obsession they do.
reminds me, anyone seen our Ragnar? where’d Rags get off to?
Tom Middleton
August 15th, 2012
6:54 pm
Thulsa
You’re losing it, Thulsa. Maybe you should stop trying to make sense for now,,,or at least try to stop drinking. Give yourself a chance for the rest of your life!
Erwin's cat
August 15th, 2012
6:54 pm
It amazing Doom that a political party would demonize an author and a fictional one at that…..you’d think she drew a picture of Allah
booger
August 15th, 2012
6:54 pm
I get it. It’s kinda like Obama’s relationship to Marx.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:55 pm
Thanks Ypu libs.
We got Penn State’s quarterback too in case he cracks under the pressure but seems to be handling the tough job well.
That is encouraging.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
6:55 pm
stands
“I really hope the comments page updates include a clown filter.”
Clowns?
Just as well Bosch is no longer here.
He’d freak.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
6:56 pm
josef,
Well the good thing is that by my next post Joe will probably make another gaffe that I can then jump on.
Paul Ryan: Catholic When Convenient « angolathree
August 15th, 2012
6:56 pm
[...] The conflict is not in his beliefs on social issues, it is with his economic worldview. I will not overplay Ryan’s association with author Ayn Rand and her philosophical school of Objectivism, though in 2009 he said “I think Ayn Rand did more than anybody to build a moral case for capitalism, the morality of individualism, and this to me is what matters most.” (source) [...]
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:56 pm
“I get it. It’s kinda like Obama’s relationship to Marx”
How many cons posted this same crap?
It is one person or they are sharing one brain.
josef
August 15th, 2012
6:57 pm
SFD
“…where’d Rags get off to?”
Riches?
Tom(Independent Viet Vet,USAF)
August 15th, 2012
6:57 pm
So Paul Ryan was influenced by Ayn Rand’s teachings, have you forgotten about Rev Wight(Obama’s pastor for 20 yrs)? I haven’t, Rev Wright’s famous words in church “God Damn the USA”! Which was worst? Come on libs, let me hear your excuses on this one?
Bernie
August 15th, 2012
6:58 pm
For the past (3) three years, ALL of the right wingers, Tea Partiers and Republicans have gleefully and un-apologetically, have called, President OBAMA, ALL kinds of mean and hateful names like OBOZO, OSAMA, and many other mean and hateful racist names to many to mention here.
NOW, the Republicans have these TWO candidates up for election to the Whitehouse…… A truly…….. REAL PAIR of “BOZO’s”!
My Grandmother use to always say…” GOD does NOT like UGLY”
This is one Big Pile of UGLY SHIRT!
josef
August 15th, 2012
6:58 pm
THULSA
The Romany Lady says that’s a safe bet!
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
6:58 pm
We got Penn State’s quarterback too….
getalife,
Please don’t let that Penn State qb transfer try running the option against the Alabama defense. The young man has been through enough pain and hurt already.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
6:59 pm
Thanks tom for proving my point but you forgot Marx.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
6:59 pm
josef,
Maybe I should go $1000. Or perhaps float a bond issue and place the proceeds on Bama. I wonder if Romney could help me out with that.
josef
August 15th, 2012
7:00 pm
S-gi-na
“GOD does NOT like UGLY””
You should’ve listened to your Grandmother.
You libs
August 15th, 2012
7:00 pm
getalife
Check out Bolden’s career at PSU. Not sure why CLM has a fetish for guys like him and JJ.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
7:01 pm
doomy.
We gave him a fresh start and don’t talk about that monster rotting in jail..
josef
August 15th, 2012
7:01 pm
THULSA
Take that $1000 and invest it in insurance stocks!
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
7:01 pm
Erwin’s cat,
Everyone got to have their boogeyman I guess. Or rather boogeywoman in Rand’s case.
Erwin's cat
August 15th, 2012
7:02 pm
I will not overplay Ryan’s association with author Ayn Rand and her philosophical school of Objectivism
another nice parody
Paul
August 15th, 2012
7:03 pm
Tom
Point us to that video or speech Obama did that cited Wright as forming his core beliefs, as describing our ideal political and economic system, and as the reason he went into politics?
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
7:03 pm
josef,
You kidding? I don’t trust those bastuhds any more than you do- certainly not enough to put any damn money with them.
F. Sinkwich
August 15th, 2012
7:04 pm
“In the minds of the Republicans, wealth is the great divider that determines whether you’re a slave or a freed man…”
Gee whiz.
I’ve read so many mindless posts from lib ilks on this blog that I can honestly say that I’m unsure if this is the stupidest I’ve read.
Paul
August 15th, 2012
7:04 pm
Bernie
How come you posture as a lib but you post in the style of some of our most illustrious cons?
You going for the Bill Orvis White Award?
getalife
August 15th, 2012
7:05 pm
You libs,
Madhatter?
I am not a fan of the two quarterback system and think if Mett is doing well, leave him in there.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
7:05 pm
“and don’t talk about that monster rotting in jail..”
Getalife,
In the great chasm of philosophical divide between libs and cons we can all agree on one thing. Jerry Sandusky is a POS. I would like to add on another 347 adjectives to describe this foul man but in the interest of time and expediency I will just leave it at POS.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
7:06 pm
So Paul Ryan was influenced by Ayn Rand’s teachings…
Apparently to the point where the coward has to make up bald face lies about that being the case.
His lack of honesty is THE point of this thread, is it not, Tom?
Apparently telling the truth is not that important anymore.
And why should it be?
Knowing that he is going to get caught in the lie, unless he truly is that stupid,( which isn’t out of the realm of possibility I suppose) but that it won’t have any consequences among those who don’t care about such things…
ODD OWL
August 15th, 2012
7:06 pm
The Romney/Ryan Republican scape goaters bitch and moan, bitch and moan, whine, whine, whine, just because President Obama and Vice President Biden hit them with a little heat… Well Mr. Romney/Ryan, what are you going to do when the POTUS and the Vice POTUS turn up the hellfire heat on you ??? Republicans, you need to listen up.. Y’all ain’t seen nothing yet…
josef
August 15th, 2012
7:06 pm
THULSA
D*mn, Bub, you bitin’ the hand that feeds you?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
7:06 pm
Since we’re all sharing our favorite verses, I’ll share mine — Blessed are the cheesemakers…
josef
August 15th, 2012
7:07 pm
PAUL
Nyanh. Brother Bill’s literate!
marko
August 15th, 2012
7:08 pm
It’s interesting that Jay included Thomas Jefferson in his comment. Jefferson, like Rand, didn’t consider Jesus the son of god. However, Jefferson unlike Ayn, considered himself a devout follower of Christ. Jefferson believed strongly in the Christian philosophy while rejecting what he considered “monkish superstitions”. Rand a devout atheist, had no use for Christianity whatsoever. That’s why Ryan’s moving away from Rand. The Christian Right types made the startling discovery that old Ayn was an atheist speed freak. Just didn’t sit right with a major source of cheap GOP votes. Nearly all the tea party types are trying to put as much distance between themselves and Rand as possible. Bet they still dream about her at night though.
Erwin's cat
August 15th, 2012
7:09 pm
get – Madhatter?
trivia ?…anyone know where the expression comes from?
Erwin's cat
August 15th, 2012
7:13 pm
geeez….. Rand is no more important than Bill Mahar
josef
August 15th, 2012
7:13 pm
ERWIN’S
I was reading one of those “origin” lists the other day and that was one of them…I can’t remember. Fill me in…
DemNewsNetwork
August 15th, 2012
7:13 pm
So yesterday Biden didn’t know what state he’s in, and today he doesn’t know what century he’s in (which makes sense considering he apparently loves bringing up slavery references). Joey is a walking, breathing comedy sketch. He’s starting to look, and act, like that scary old preacher in Poltergeist 2: delusional and not of this world, let alone in it.
Okay all who are enjoying their record high beef prices raise your hands and blame Bush and the GOP!
And who’s the genius in the GOP who agreed to allow left wing DNC shills like Candy Crowely in the main stream media to moderate the debates? Did Democrats threaten a melt down tantrum if a Fox News moderator like Brit Hume or Chris Wallace was selected? I can already see how it will start out:
Candy Crowley to Governor Romney: “Governor, why won’t you release all your tax records and please tie that in with Bain Capital and your vision for America’s future on tax cuts for the rich.”
Candy Crowley to President Obama: “Mr. President, what was your favorite movie from this past summer and what did Michelle and the kids have for dinner last night?”
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
7:14 pm
Doomy, that’s about what I thought.
“…where’d Rags get off to?”
Riches?
Good one, jo.
F. Sinkwich
August 15th, 2012
7:14 pm
“So Paul Ryan was influenced by Ayn Rand’s teachings…”
So O’bozo was influenced by Wright’s, Ayers’, Alinsky’s, etc., teachings…
What’s your point?
josef
August 15th, 2012
7:14 pm
ERWIN’S
“Rand is no more important than Bill Mahar”
And about as dumb…
Lucifer
August 15th, 2012
7:16 pm
Hey, what’s all this ripping of Ayn Rand. She can’t be all bad — she disbelieves in god. Anyway, Ryan has assured Obama a second term. In the words of the great Oracle herself, Ayn (stop it, Ann) Coulter, “We can either nominate Chris Christie and win, or nominate Mitt Romney and lose.” Well the prophet (profit) has spoken.
Erwin's cat
August 15th, 2012
7:17 pm
josef…the way i understand it (and i have never verified)…is
hatters back in the day used mercury to groom the felt (i think) hats and after over exposure thru the yrs the went “mad”
Ahem
August 15th, 2012
7:18 pm
Jackie
August 15th, 2012
6:53 pm
@Ahem
Is President Obama your uncle?
Damn if I know. Our family tree resembles a Bradford Pear tree after high wind. I doubt it though.
Here we go!
August 15th, 2012
7:18 pm
The number one Ayn Rand quote:
1. A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.
josef
August 15th, 2012
7:19 pm
ERWIN’S
That was it! Thanks…
Ahem
August 15th, 2012
7:21 pm
ODD OWL
August 15th, 2012
7:06 pm
The Romney/Ryan Republican scape goaters bitch and moan, bitch and moan, whine, whine, whine, just because President Obama and Vice President Biden hit them with a little heat… Well Mr. Romney/Ryan, what are you going to do when the POTUS and the Vice POTUS turn up the hellfire heat on you ??? Republicans, you need to listen up.. Y’all ain’t seen nothing yet…
I say, throw another log on the fire and then some gasoline, because is is clearly working against the Chicago thug and his dumba$$ sidekick.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
7:22 pm
“It’s too bad we’ve worn out “clueless.” That one seems to me to sum up Romney. I confess a certain sympathy for him. Ryan? All I want to do is slap that smug qu*en into next Tuesday”
Amen on both of those!
F. Sinkwich
August 15th, 2012
7:23 pm
“1. A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights”
Lib ilks think that government is the arbiter of rights…they luvs them some bureaucrats.
They know best!
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
7:25 pm
“she can’t be all bad — she disbelieves in god. ”
Lucifer, on the other hand…did
Erwin's cat
August 15th, 2012
7:25 pm
josef….it was a parlay at a HazMat presentation several yrs ago..
i remember the hs (mid 70’s) sci teach passing a vial of mercury around the class so we could puch it around a desk and “play” with it…..an introduction to surface tension if you will….fast forwar…drop a thermoter and men in bunny suits show up
Paul Ryan: Catholic When Convenient « I am a UU occupier
August 15th, 2012
7:26 pm
[...] The conflict is not in his beliefs on social issues, it is with his economic worldview. I will not overplay Ryan’s association with author Ayn Rand and her philosophical school of Objectivism, though in 2009 he said “I think Ayn Rand did more than anybody to build a moral case for capitalism, the morality of individualism, and this to me is what matters most.” (source) [...]
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
7:27 pm
“drop a thermoter and men in bunny suits show up”
Check out Minamata disease
josef
August 15th, 2012
7:29 pm
DOGGONE
When I first saw that tag, I wondered if he had any idea of who and what Lucifer was in his origins in our Western tradition!
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
7:30 pm
My Dear Miss Ayn Rand,
You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: “You are inferior and all the improvements in your condition which you simply take for granted you owe to the effort of men who are better than you.”
Sincerely,
Ludwig von Mises
“It is not enough to say that President Obama’s taxes are too big or the health-care plan doesn’t work for this or that policy reason, It is the morality of what is occurring right now, and how it offends the morality of individuals working toward their own free will to produce, to achieve, to succeed, that is under attack, and it is that what I think Ayn Rand would be commenting on.” – Paul Ryan, 2009.
Erwin's cat
August 15th, 2012
7:31 pm
Doggone – ouch!
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 15th, 2012
7:31 pm
“Well, Randian philosophy — “objectivism” they call it — is to my mind soft-headed, romantic claptrap that attempts vainly to masquerade as hard-headed, pragmatic economic theory. Its appeal is emotional, not intellectual.”
.
As opposed to keynesianism or collectivism?
.
lol.
.
anyhow…………..Neo-Con(prog) Ryan WAS influenced by Rand. he was just not smart enough to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys.
As per his voting record……he’s a Wesley Mooch.(like most neo-libs,progs,parasites,gov.workers).
Definetly not a Henry Reardon.
.
In closing…………..famous quotes….
.
.” I meant “shackles………..not chains”
Joe Biden
.
I still haven’t stopped laughing.
That Black Guy
August 15th, 2012
7:31 pm
Bernie
August 15th, 2012
6:58 pm
My Grandmother use to always say…” GOD does NOT like UGLY”
____________________________________________________
Your Grandmother used to *YELL* every other word?
I hope the family had her checked out.
josef
August 15th, 2012
7:32 pm
ERWIN’S
DOGGONE
Minamata disease? Sounds like something that afflicts the Indigenous Americans. don’t it?
marko
August 15th, 2012
7:33 pm
One thing I stumbled across about Ryan bothered me quite a bit. It seems that he almost single handedly swift boated Boehner and Obama’s grand bargain. It’s not that he did it, he has a right to oppose legislation he doesn’t feel is in country’s best interest. The problem stems from the fact that it wasn’t what motivated him. He was afraid that passing a compromise bill would enhance Obama’s popularity and ensure his re-election. Maybe I’m naïve, but I always thought that the needs of the country should come before partisan politics. Don’t we have people hurting out there? Maybe that’s why congress’s approval rating’s at an all time low.
josef
August 15th, 2012
7:34 pm
FORMAL LACK GUY
“Your Grandmother used to *YELL* every other word?”
Only when she was trying to communicate with S-gi-na!
Erwin's cat
August 15th, 2012
7:34 pm
JOSEF
yes
but never have seen you be so politically incorrect….dang…but i got a chuckle so shoot me
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
7:39 pm
Its 13. I already put $200 down and am going to put another $300 down but I’m hoping it will drop to 11 or 12. If it doesn’t or even goes up I’m still plunking more down.
So Doomy, who is your QB? Any good receivers? How about running backs? I have no doubt whatsoever that Alabama crushes Michigan defensively, i just don’t know who you have on offense to score. Off hand I would take Bama and 13 but before I plunk down a grand, I wanna KNOW.
josef
August 15th, 2012
7:39 pm
ERWIN’S
Shoot! In my family if you stuck to politically correct, you’d never be able to say anything!
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
7:40 pm
FORMAL LACK GUY
Why do I suspect that isn’t a typo? Shame on you Josef lol.
That Black Guy
August 15th, 2012
7:41 pm
josef
August 15th, 2012
7:34 pm
FORMAL LACK GUY
“Your Grandmother used to *YELL* every other word?”
Only when she was trying to communicate with S-gi-na!
______________________________________________
I don’t think it worked.
he’s still a ti-a-li-s-qua-ta-wo-gi (did I get it right?)
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
7:42 pm
While Jay’s article is well written and well thought-out, it matters naught because in just a few short days, Paul Ryan will join Sarah Palin, John McCain and all of the other Fright-Wing nutcases who thought they knew it all.
In fact, the Fright-Wing and the entire RepugNOwecan’t party are facing marginalization because of their extreme views and 30-year, failed economic policies which we cannot seem to escape no matter how hard we try.
Like Ann Coulter says, there may never be another RepugNOwecan’t president elected — ever. And, you know what? You have only yourselves and your far-out extremist views to thank for it.
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
7:44 pm
Wow Soothsayer, you used a parcel full of ignorant spelling slams in that 7:42. But I have to admit that “Fright Wing” made me laugh my ass off for it’s authenticity………
Erwin's cat
August 15th, 2012
7:44 pm
josef
same here, if you weren’t born w/ thick skin….you developed it
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
7:44 pm
Like Ann Coulter says, there may never be another RepugNOwecan’t president elected — ever.
Ann Coulter’s been wrong before, no doubt she’ll be wrong on this too.
That Black Guy
August 15th, 2012
7:45 pm
Going home.
Recon 0311 2533
August 15th, 2012
7:47 pm
What unadulterated tripe. Ayn Rand rejected communism rooted in the Karl Marx and the Bolshevik revolution. She embraced the free market Capitalist system that made this country great. Ryan agrees with her in that regard but not her complete philosophy. The Bookman Bolsheviks seem to be terrified of Ryan as well they should as you begin to see recent polls, which aren’t too favorable to their head Bolshevik.
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
7:48 pm
Hey black Guy: How you been? Meant to say hi earlier before you left. Sorry.
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
7:48 pm
that would be Black Guy not black Guy. Sorry.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
7:49 pm
“When I first saw that tag, I wondered if he had any idea of who and what Lucifer was in his origins in our Western tradition!”
From what he posted, I’d say probably not!
JGJ
August 15th, 2012
7:49 pm
Rand was right. We have reached the point where looters outnumber producers. Our future as a capitalistic society looks bleak if this direction is not reversed. Europe is proof that Socialism does not work.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 15th, 2012
7:50 pm
Top ten reasons why the Mafia is better than the State————
From a Great Patriot.Emily Sandblade——————–
.
.
Reason Number 10: The Mafia has a sense of honor. If they say that they will do something, they
stick to it. Nobody in the government has a clue what a sense of honor is. If they say that they will do
something, you can count on it only if you’re getting screwed.
Reason Number 9: The Mafia code of conduct is simple and clear, and unfettered by legal
doublespeak and millions of regulations.
Reason Number 8: When competing Mafia families go to war, they don’t kill hundreds of thousands
of civilians as “collateral damage.” War is the health of the state, but for the Mafia, it’s bad for business.
Reason Number 7: Instead of conducting the war on drugs and the American people, the Mafia is
perfectly happy to peacefully provide high-quality products to those who desire them.
Reason Number 6: When you buy protection from the Mafia, you get protection. The Mafia has a
good track record for limiting violent crime in the areas that they protect. When you buy protection
from the state, you can dial 911 and die.
Reason Number 5: The Mafia’s protection is much less expensive than the state’s. The Mafia wants
ten or fifteen percent of your profits, while the various levels of government will try to snatch at least
40 to 50 percent of your profits.
Reason Number 4: Unlike the state, the Mafia wants your business to succeed. They know that
ruining your business means that you can’t pay for protection. The Mafia imposes almost no regulatory
overhead, nor do they require that you waste your time filling out zillions of self-incriminating tax
forms.
Reason Number 3: The Mafia won’t keep you from having a gun to protect yourself and your
property. The state prefers that you be disarmed. The Mafia will gladly sell you the means to protect
yourself and they won’t bother with a Brady check, either.
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Reason Number 2: The state wants to regulate what you do in your bedroom. The Mafia not only
does not want to regulate what you do in your bedroom, they will gladly sell you whatever you need to
enhance your enjoyment.
And the number one reason why the Mafia should replace the state:
Members of the Mafia have a great sense of style, dress far better than government bureaucrats, and are
much easier on the eyes.
So there you have it.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
7:50 pm
“Minamata disease? Sounds like something that afflicts the Indigenous Americans. don’t it?”
Not this time. It affected a large number of people in Minamata, Japan
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
7:51 pm
Recon 0311 2533
August 15th, 2012
7:47 pm
What unadulterated tripe. Ayn Rand rejected communism rooted in the Karl Marx and the Bolshevik revolution. She embraced the free market Capitalist system that made this country great.
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REALLY? is THAT what that amped up Meth ho was saying? You loves you some drug addicts don’t you Del.
but could you please share with me the joys of unbridled capitalism? I mean other than slave labor, child labor, denuding forests, polluting the atmosphere and strip mining…….. I mean tell me the GOOD things.
Also could you share with us exactly when it was that America practiced “the free market Capitalist system that made this country great” as you put it? Because as far as my recollection, we ahve NEVER had that you silly deluded man.
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
7:52 pm
Paul Ryan should at least learn basic math before proclaiming himself to be an “economist”. He cannot even get his own numbers to add up.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
7:53 pm
“Because as far as my recollection, we ahve NEVER had that you silly deluded man”
The era of the Robber Barons was probably about as close as we’ve ever been.
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
7:53 pm
JGJ
August 15th, 2012
7:49 pm
Rand was right. We have reached the point where looters outnumber producers. Our future as a capitalistic society looks bleak if this direction is not reversed. Europe is proof that Socialism does not work.
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And you are proof that the American Education system doesn’t work………
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
7:54 pm
Ayn Rand’s most quotable moment:
“Brother, can you spare a dime… bag.”
Donovan
August 15th, 2012
7:54 pm
Just came off of the news. Another Obama cabinet official is accused of wrong doing.
Janet Napolitano is accused of running her dept. like a sorority. Appointing and elevating females of no experience to positions that require qualified credentials.
Is there no end to the corruption of this regime? Another case of liberals in power who screw up everything they touch and another case of nation ruining. What you see is what you get.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
7:55 pm
“And you are proof that the American Education system doesn’t work………”
Let’s qualify that a bit to “doesn’t ALWAYS work”
bman
August 15th, 2012
7:56 pm
This capitalism thing has been kinda tough the last few years
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
7:57 pm
Speaking of the Robber Barons (Del’s Heroes) Doggone, have you caught that show on AMC Hell on Wheels? It’s loosely based on that era. I watched the first season and now it’s back. Haven’t watched it yet, but thanks to On Demand I can lol.
Oh and thanks for the Minamata disease info. i looked it up. Talk about great timing. Sounds like something caused be Dels’ ‘free market capitalism.” These right wingers hear all this “great stuff’ on the radio but never actually check it out to see the truth behind it. Talk about scary………
Recon 0311 2533
August 15th, 2012
7:58 pm
Ah yes comrade Fred unable to present a position on this or for that matter anything actually by his own admission, instead throws out insults to make up for his lack of manliness. Enjoy another glass of loud mouth Fred and carry on.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
7:59 pm
del,
The commies are gone and were never here.
You cons should be investigated on you lack of patriotism after a collapse.
You might be traitors so lets start up the investigations.
Start acting like Americans before you accuse others of lies.
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
7:59 pm
Donovan
August 15th, 2012
7:54 pm
Just came off of the news. Another Obama cabinet official is accused of wrong doing.
Janet Napolitano is accused of running her dept. like a sorority. Appointing and elevating females of no experience to positions that require qualified credentials.
Is there no end to the corruption of this regime? Another case of liberals in power who screw up everything they touch and another case of nation ruining. What you see is what you get.
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Is Scooter Libby still in JAIL? \
Your idea of corruption pales before actual corruption that results in CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.
Thanks for trying. I know with your limited IQ that was the best you could do so we’ll give you a booby prize…….
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
7:59 pm
“Speaking of the Robber Barons (Del’s Heroes) Doggone, have you caught that show on AMC Hell on Wheels? It’s loosely based on that era”
Sorry, no. I’m not even sure we have that channel.
“Talk about scary………”
Amazingly scary…because I, too, played with mercury when I was young.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
8:01 pm
Capitalism works but needs to regulate greed that causes collapses.
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:02 pm
bman
August 15th, 2012
7:56 pm
This capitalism thing has been kinda tough the last few years
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Yeah, ever since they passed them damn laws outlawing slavery and forced child labor. Or them other damn laws where “capitalists” were held responsible to the poisonong they did of OUR National lands and resources things just ain’t been the same.
It’s ok though bman, the republicans just moved to China for their slave labor, forced child labor, poisoning of the Earth, and paying of the officials. Business is back as usual. What’s your complaint? The super rich are making tons of money under the current system. Record profits. You don’t hear them complaining…….
josef
August 15th, 2012
8:03 pm
FORMAL BLACK GUY
You got it. And Unmentionable says to tell you, f’ the S-gi-na, you are, too, an a-gv-h-na-ge-i!
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:04 pm
Recon 0311 2533
August 15th, 2012
7:58 pm
Ah yes comrade Fred unable to present a position on this or for that matter anything actually by his own admission, instead throws out insults to make up for his lack of manliness. Enjoy another glass of loud mouth Fred and carry on.
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Did that make sense to you? I mean you ACTUALLY thought you had a valid point there?
Hitting up the forbidden bottle of Jack are you? Please say yes because I’d hate to think you were that insipid…….
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
8:04 pm
Corruption! Not another Tom Delay post. We need fresh meat. How about Nathan’s Deal. When is that porn king dude gonna reopen Wilder Outdoors. I hear he wants to keep the name but repurpose it.
bman
August 15th, 2012
8:05 pm
You know the economy is tough when two younger women just over the age of 21 are trying to get you to be their sugar daddy. Two things wrong with this:
1) I’m not wealthy
2) I’m not THAT old
Apparently, a man covered in flour and driving a late 90’s model BMW is a show of wealth…or flash.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
8:05 pm
Janet Napolitano is accused of running her dept. like a sorority. Appointing and elevating females of no experience to positions that require qualified credentials.
And of course Michael D. “Brownie, You’re Doing a Heckuva Job” Brown is the poster child for qualified credentials, right?
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
8:07 pm
“So Doomy, who is your QB?”
We got the same guy back who led us to the national title.
“Any good receivers?” Yep. Lots of em.
“How about running backs?” 4 deep at the running back position. The guy replacing Richardson actually had more yards per carry the last 2 years than Richardson. Over 7 ypc which is astounding in college football.
“I have no doubt whatsoever that Alabama crushes Michigan defensively, i just don’t know who you have on offense to score.”
We have a mammoth O-line that is the best in the nation. 3 starters are projected 1st round picks. All 5 will be in the pros and the only new starter is a kid that will be gone in 3 years. He was the nation’s no. 2 recruit coming out of high school. Kid is a monster.
“Off hand I would take Bama and 13 but before I plunk down a grand, I wanna KNOW.”
If little ole Doomy plunks down a grand Fred should do 5k.
BTW Fred I’m just waiting for someone to tick me off so that I can use the stare on them. Can’t wait to use it.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:09 pm
josef
Seems we are not the only ones who figured it out.
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:10 pm
I love it. Del sees my name and the hate just boils up in him. He doesn’t read what I type, he just reacts……….. kind of like when Jay types an article.
He’s the perfect Republican sock puppet. No thought, just reaction. They push all the right buttons and he hops to the tune. Has all the catch phrases down.
LOL NOW I’m a Communist. I can’t go to China on threat of death for actions I took in the military against their Communist regime, yet I’M a Communist.
Alrighty then. I just laugh at you Del. You make no sense which is sad, because I think buried beneath all that bluster and useless, mindless, BS is a smart man fighting to get out……..
Come Luke……. walk to the Light Side……….. Free your mind………
josef
August 15th, 2012
8:10 pm
FRED
Your lack of “manliness?” I guess you just ain’t butch enough…
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:12 pm
josef
Guess the closet is hot and stuffy this evening
hahahaha
josef
August 15th, 2012
8:13 pm
BOTH
I was hoping you were here!
FRED
The light side…nyanh,,,try a walk on the wild side!
independent thinker
August 15th, 2012
8:13 pm
Jay – You deserve a Pulitzer for this article. On this topic and Medicare Ryan has now demonstrate that he can out flip fop the master, Willard. Did you know that Rand advocated atheism. Hpw does that go over with ose GOP bible thumpers??? When the Catholic Church put Ryan on the carpet for espousing her beliefs, he did a Romney back flip and summersault disavowing Rand. She is also a hypocrite of GOP genre, railing against all public benefits and then accepted Medicare and social security benefits.
Recon 0311 2533
August 15th, 2012
8:15 pm
Fred, you come on this blog and probably others looking to pick blogosphere fights that you’re incapable of handling anywhere else. You’re any easy read for anyone whose been around even a little bit and frankly you’re even pathetic trying to be a tough guy on a blog. Grow up or give up you just aren’t showing up very well.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:15 pm
josef
Was here for a minute then went for a jog.
Glad I got back just time for the show……
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:15 pm
Thanks Doomy. Funny how memory can play tricks on you. I remembered that first LSU/Bama game and was thinking Bama didn’t score many points against opponents, they just beat hell out of them defensively. I see that other than three games in the 20’s they scored.
Wow. 2 weeks and 2 days til football. Life is GOOD.
Oscar
August 15th, 2012
8:16 pm
Enjoy another glass of loud mouth Fred and carry on.
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We can order loudmouth Fred by the glass now. That’s interesting.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:16 pm
Well that is really in who you ask
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
8:16 pm
“Janet Napolitano is accused ”
By whom?
fair and balanced
August 15th, 2012
8:17 pm
Jay – great article and a very signicant reason to question Romney’s chice. But discussing Ayn Rand on this blog and in this paper is clearly above the IQ of most participants and readers.Just look at the nonsense above.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
8:17 pm
Wow. 2 weeks and 2 days til football. Life is GOOD.
Meh, the EPL starts this weekend.
Recon 0311 2533
August 15th, 2012
8:17 pm
Well I see the two queens are on here this evening kissing up to Fred and he’s luving it.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
8:17 pm
bman,
In my broker days I had a friend who did pretty well but wasn’t super rich. He had the habit of attracting gold diggers even though he wasn’t that monied. Anyway, a common tactic of his was that he would pick up a girl take her to lunch and tell her before lunch that he had to see a real estate agent to look at some houses he was interested in buying. Well invariably either she would ask if she could come along or he would say “Hey my realtor find a house that she thinks meets my needs. Do you mind if we stop by and take a look real quick since its on the way?” Well he had the realtor showing him multi-million dollar mansions in Buckhead and of course the girls were caught hook, line, and sinker. You can imagine the rest of the story and the typical ending where he would kick them to the curb, call block them, and he did all this without them ever knowing where he worked or seeing his real house which was a nice house on the lake but not a 2 million dollar Buckhead mansion.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:18 pm
And the closet queen is crying again…….
whaaaaaaaaaaa
Oscar
August 15th, 2012
8:18 pm
Jokers ae wild.
gm
August 15th, 2012
8:18 pm
Whats amazing about this rich brat is his base is to stupid too research this guy, hey paul when are you going to tell these idiots how you want to turn SSI over to private sector, but you used it to help you thru college.
When are you going to tell the right iditos? how you bashed Obama bail out but you wrote to Secretary asking for stimulus money for your state, never mind you voted against all women rights including the Ledbetter act for equal rights, the rep women that are backing this guy, have to be mental””””’
Whats amazing is you had poor white coal miners sitting in the background supporting Mitt who have sent their jobs to different parts of the world during the same job.
Conservative whites have you no shame? the world is laughing at us””””’
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:19 pm
Anyone on here know someone who did the buy a bride?
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
8:21 pm
Fred,
Yeah. The first game last year was a defensive slugfest but keep in mind we missed 4 field goals in that game and turned the ball over at the 1 yd line. We moved the ball consistently and nearly doubled up LSU in total yardage but just didn’t finish drives and then again there was the matter of all them missed field goals. Both teams will again field great defenses.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
8:21 pm
“I see the two queens are on here this evening”
Gee..you say that like it’s a bad thing
weetamoe
August 15th, 2012
8:21 pm
There is a difference between agreeing with much of Rand says about certain principles and being *influenced* in some sinister way. Mr Bookman seems to be earnestly trying to validate the *you didn’t build that* screed of Obama and Warren. Individual sovereignty is the only moral stance—any other condones slavery of one sort or another. Ayn Rand lived under the slavery of collectivism and one does not have to adopt her embrace of atheism to see truth in much of her philosophy. Ryan is a devout catholic. His family may have been relatively well off, but he worked he grill at a MacDonald’s beginning in his sophomore year in high school. He does seem to have been surrounded by supportive and loving family and friends. He has received praise from colleagues on both sides of the aisle in Congress. I don’t think he is some sort of amoral monster who threatens Mr Bookman’s universe.
zeke
August 15th, 2012
8:21 pm
fair and balanced, i am surprised you found this blog….
sinkwich, did you play in the era of leather helmets?
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:22 pm
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:23 pm
Take that back. They are starting on Thursday the 30th. While not the top games of the year, S.Carolina vs Vandy and Washington State VS BYU are certainly games worth watching.
And then on Friday Tennessee vs NC State and Boise State VS Michigan State will tell us something as well.
Saturday the only half way decent game other than Bama and Michigan is BC vs Miami.
I dunno why they even bother to schedule the two meaningless games on Sunday (Kentucky vs Louisville and Baylor vs SMU) but the Monday game, GT vs VaTech could be interesting.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
8:23 pm
they both suck,
The mail order bride. I’ve known of several guys who did that. The ones that married Ukrainian or Russian chicks effed up big time. Those women are the ultimate gold diggers. I feel for any guy that gets involved with them. The ones that married Asian women tend to be happy and still married. At least that’s what I’ve seen anyway.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:24 pm
Doggone @ 8:21
That comment came from some who claimed that all gays wanted to be straight.
Guess that was a tough transformation for him. Still struggling it appears
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
8:24 pm
JGJ and the rest of you nutjob Randians, McCarthites and government/America haters
Air Iran is ready when you are.
We the people will be better off without you…
josef
August 15th, 2012
8:24 pm
Whoo-whee, looks like we’ve got a jealous pique at work…
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:24 pm
TD
Thanks.
bman
August 15th, 2012
8:25 pm
Doom .. .. haha!! Talk about creativity !
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:25 pm
Josef, a walk on the wild side……… you trying to out me or something lol?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ88oTITMoM
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:25 pm
josef
josef
August 15th, 2012
8:26 pm
BOTH
A mail order bride? That just ain’t natural…
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
8:26 pm
Fred,
Don’t downplay Uk and Louisville. That game is usually one helluva game. Its a rivalry game and state rivalry games usually are. Same with Baylor-SMU. Those teams do not like each other and have a pretty good rivalry going. Personally I like every one of those intersectional games. They all look interesting to me.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
8:27 pm
“Still struggling it appears”
Well, as of the other night I’m no longer a woman…does that mean I’m now a gay man?
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:27 pm
josef
But some still do it……….
Recon 0311 2533
August 15th, 2012
8:27 pm
“That comment came from some who claimed that all gays wanted to be straight.”
Sounds like someone protests a speculative comment and holds on to it far too much for whatever the reason might be.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 15th, 2012
8:27 pm
Must be cloudy here in the blog…. I see that the old man is ranting at the clouds again and doing his chest thumping.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:28 pm
Doggone
Bernie would have to make that designation.
And Recon would be the one to tell you that you really want to be straight if you were gay. At least that is what he posted a few weeks ago.
bman
August 15th, 2012
8:28 pm
“The ones that married Asian women tend to be happy and still married. At least that’s what I’ve seen anyway”
Kam …see that?? I knew u was on to something good!
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
8:29 pm
Hey! No love for the ranked Huskers (24) and Golden Eagles (20) that first weekend?
LOL.
I’ll probably have to go to the local Husker hangout to see it…
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:29 pm
here come the tears
hahahahahahah
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:30 pm
Recon 0311 2533
August 15th, 2012
8:17 pm
Well I see the two queens are on here this evening kissing up to Fred and he’s luving it.
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You’re just jealous bigboy. You tough manly man you.
You know you want to be at the Blue Oyster Bar……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTJMerul33E
zeke
August 15th, 2012
8:30 pm
have not read whole blog, if repeating sorry:
thought ryan was a detail and numbers guy:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-08-15/paul-ryan-finances-reports/57078160/1
just an oversight……..
bman
August 15th, 2012
8:30 pm
Doggone…you can’t prove that you’re a woman.
josef
August 15th, 2012
8:31 pm
FRED
There he was @ 1:01
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
8:31 pm
Jay- this sudden change of heart has not been accompanied by any matching change in Ryan’s political outlook. It remains today what it was when he was still willing to publicly celebrate Rand’s claim to moral authority.
obama was born and raised by marxist/socialist/communist. According to the left, it has absolutely no bearing on who he is today. Almost everyone here will call you all kinds of slanderous names if you even hint it had any kind of influence. Just saying…
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
8:32 pm
Del: I don’t why you subject yourself to all of this abuse. You can just go next door and join the mutual admiration society.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
8:33 pm
“Doggone…you can’t prove that you’re a woman”
You made the claim that I’m not. YOU get to try to prove it.
gm
August 15th, 2012
8:33 pm
Hands off my Medicaid you two rich jerks, I refuse to get a vocher when its time for me to receive it, the bigots on the right rather lose all their money they have paid in to the plan then to vote for someone who will protect their money.
For all you olympic athletes, these are the type of selfish, idiots you represented when you get old and your medals have faded and given a vocher when its time to receive medicaid , thank RR brats and the idiots of the tea party.
bman
August 15th, 2012
8:34 pm
lol doggone
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:35 pm
Jamvet: I started to mention that game but I couldn’t. my high school coach’s son was a very promising QB for the Golden Eagles 10 or so years back and suffered one of what would end up being 3 concussions (career) in that game that knocked him out of football for life. It’s just too sad a memory………
Ok, so maybe not, (the reason I didn’t mention it, the event really did happen), it’s just not that good of a match up. S. Miss can’t keep a good coach and their teams show it.
CPJ
August 15th, 2012
8:37 pm
Great post, Jay! Spot on!
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:37 pm
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
8:32 pm
Del: I don’t why you subject yourself to all of this abuse. You can just go next door and join the mutual admiration society.
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Or he could act like a civil human being………
bman
August 15th, 2012
8:38 pm
I look fwd to reading an article (from anyone) that covers why Obama has done such a poor job, and that their vote goes to him only because they dislike the alternative.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
8:38 pm
they both suck, bman,
Had a client one time that went to Rio and was on that famous beach in Rio secretly taking photos of this woman in her early 20s playing in the surf. He said she was the most beautful women he had ever seen in his life. A young man in his 20s comes up to her and starts playing in the surf and hanging out with her. Next thing Jim knows the young man comes up to him cause the girl saw him taking photos of her. He asked Jim if he was American and was told by the girl to tell Jim that he could have her if he wanted her as long as he would take her back to America as his wife or girlfriend. He politely declined and the young man was ecstatic about it since he now had a shot at pursuing her. To the young man it was not even that big a deal since he knew he couldn’t compete with American money. Jim was 65. Good thing for her it wasn’t evil ole Doomy…
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
8:39 pm
“Or he could act like a civil human being………”
That would be an Oscarworthy act
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
8:40 pm
I dunno why they even bother to schedule the two meaningless games on Sunday (Kentucky vs Louisville and Baylor vs SMU)
You could do what I’m gonna do and watch Alabama State and Bethune Cookman. I’ll get to see how Crowell does in the SWAC, and there’s always the dance lines in the bands.
josef
August 15th, 2012
8:40 pm
SOOTH
He’s a masochist in a butch bar…
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
8:40 pm
“You made the claim that I’m not. YOU get to try to prove it.”
If only Harry Reid lived by that standard.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 15th, 2012
8:40 pm
Or he could act like a civil human being
There are few great actors in the world that could carry that off
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:41 pm
bman
August 15th, 2012
8:38 pm
I look fwd to reading an article (from anyone) that covers why Obama has done such a poor job, and that their vote goes to him only because they dislike the alternative.
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How many words do you want bman? I’ll see if I can’t type it up tonight. I’m not especially pleased with President Obama but I think Romney sucks big fat donkey dic……… um isn’t better.
I voted for Bush over John sKerry for the same reason.
It’s kind of funny, other than Bush (second term) and Obama I haven’t voted for a Democrat or Republican for president. I was on a strict Libertarian Party diet until they imploded…….. Bush/Clinton election.
Recon 0311 2533
August 15th, 2012
8:42 pm
JKL2,
Took a long lunch and saw the documentary Obama 2016. For those of us who’ve followed Obama over the last 3 and a half years and believe his policies and direction are taking this country in a dangerous direction we didn’t learn much more in that regard. D’Souza did, however, tell a compelling story of how Obama’s ideology was formed by a biological father he barely knew.
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
8:43 pm
I look fwd to reading an article (from anyone) that covers why Obama has done such a poor job, and that their vote goes to him only because they dislike the alternative.
Can’t say that I’ll be the first one to write that one. Still not sure which way my vote will go. It may boil down to what happens in Congressional races. As it seems like it will be a coin toss vote for president, I don’t want single party control of both branches in DC.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
8:43 pm
“If only Harry Reid lived by that standard.”
If you think that was related to my reply, all I can say is I hope the elastic you stretched that far doesn’t break and slap you in the mouth.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
8:44 pm
del,
His father left con.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
8:46 pm
gm- the world is laughing at us””””
We’re trying to get the joke out of the White House. Maybe you could try helping solve the problem…
ragnar danneskjold
August 15th, 2012
8:46 pm
I always wonder whether columnists know what they write about. Has our host read Atlas Shrugged? I have, of course. I acknowledge that I have doubts about objectivism, but I have no doubt about the quality of the Randian expose of the inherent immorality of leftism in Atlas. Nobody who has read Atlas can embrace leftism, as leftism is mobocracy, based on emotion rather than on anything intellectual.
Recon 0311 2533
August 15th, 2012
8:47 pm
“Del: I don’t why you subject yourself to all of this abuse”
Sooth, abuse, what abuse? Light weights on a blog can’t abuse anyone. BTW…did you say you were banned on Kyles blog? If I understood you correctly, for what?
getalife
August 15th, 2012
8:47 pm
I dated Kim Karsdasian .
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:47 pm
D’Souza did, however, tell a compelling story of how Obama’s ideology was formed by a biological father he barely knew.
Really? You mean you not only typed that but BELIEVE it? A man he didn’t know formed his thoughts? How is that? Black magic? Secret double naught radio signals straight to Obama’s brain?
So how much did Dinesh D’Souza’s early life in India contribute to HIS weirdness? Does he go into that?
Do you know how crazy that sounds/
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:48 pm
Rags
I knew you would get “leftist” or some variation in.
Very comical. You make me chuckle. Keep up the good work
getalife
August 15th, 2012
8:48 pm
rag,
Do you think we are in the fictitious world of that meth head like ryan?
bman
August 15th, 2012
8:48 pm
“I don’t want single party control of both branches in DC”
I agree 100% and that part is all I really care about.
Fred…I knew you would reply lol
Ninja
August 15th, 2012
8:49 pm
Ayn Rand’s work is very comforting in the new age of narcissistic a-holes, but her life proved how much of a joke it and they are. Just once again proves that the new age conservative doesn’t actually have a philosophy, its just lame justifications for instant gratification.
ragnar danneskjold
August 15th, 2012
8:49 pm
Our host’s essay is perfect evidence of the immorality of leftism – the attack on Ryan does not critique any policy he has advocated, nor any legislation he has proffered, but is a conventional leftist exploration into the politics of personal destruction. “Ryan ought not be president because he is evil.” The usual leftist argument.
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:49 pm
Having said THAT, I’m going to go see that movie tomorrow. That is if it’s still playing tomorrow………
But I’m STILL not going to watch any of Micheal Moore’s crap………
josef
August 15th, 2012
8:50 pm
DOGGONE
“…does that mean I’m now a gay man?”
Well, if you wanna be…it’s a choice, ya know…
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:50 pm
Rags
Do you think she slept while writing those books or just did bump after bump of meth until she was finished?
getalife
August 15th, 2012
8:50 pm
del,
I was banned for a week for calling dave r out.
He runs that blog. Kyle’s pet.
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:51 pm
KL2
August 15th, 2012
8:46 pm
gm- the world is laughing at us””””
We’re trying to get the joke out of the White House. Maybe you could try helping solve the problem…
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Does it make you feel patriotic to belittle our Country this much? Make you feel like a REAL man? I’m just curious. YOU and crap like THIS is the reason the rest of the world won’t take us serious.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
8:52 pm
“Well, if you wanna be…it’s a choice, ya know…”
I think it’s safe to say, though, that *I* got forced into it!
Curtis Rivers
August 15th, 2012
8:53 pm
Ayn Rand often said that she believed altruism to be evil. As a disciple of Rand, Ryan exhibits his agreement with Rand through both his budget and many of his political actions. His claims to be a follower of St. Thomas Aquinas are foolish. If you read Aquinas’ beliefs on society and state (the Polis), you find that he believed we all owe each other whatever is necessary for a quality of life. Paul Ryan does not begin to exhibit that belief.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
8:53 pm
rag,
If he thinks we are living in her fictitious world, he should be in a mental institution.
He got stumped on fox today but corporate media gave him a free pass as usual.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:53 pm
Fred
I’ve passed on all Moore’s movies and will do the same for this work of fiction.
Maybe I will catch it on the Sci Fi channel when they run it along with ET and Star Wars
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
8:53 pm
D’Souza did, however, tell a compelling story of how Obama’s ideology was formed by a biological father he barely knew.
I’ve been scratching my head at that particular phrase all day. I had an uncle that served in the Marines (I think) on Iwo Jima. I barely knew him as he died when I was 3 years old. I’ve heard numerous stories about him over the years, yet I can’t see how he would shape my ideology at all.
My male DNA donor, on the other hand, is a politician that I have a bit more familiarity with, even though I can’t say that I know enough about him to say I really know him. He has, however, shaped my ideology to the point that I don’t trust politicians any farther than I can throw them. Unlike Obama, I have had numerous run-ins with him at various stages of my life.
I can’t quite grasp how someone could be influenced by a person they rarely had contact with, but I can see how one would be somewhat influenced by a person of importance not being in your life. I also have to remember that a story can be “compelling” or maybe even “believable” without being rooted in fact. I may decide to read that book at some point in the future, but I’d much rather hear what ideas are on the table now.
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:54 pm
ragnar danneskjold
August 15th, 2012
8:46 pm
I always wonder whether columnists know what they write about. Has our host read Atlas Shrugged? I have, of course. I acknowledge that I have doubts about objectivism, but I have no doubt about the quality of the Randian expose of the inherent immorality of leftism in Atlas. Nobody who has read Atlas can embrace leftism, as leftism is mobocracy, based on emotion rather than on anything intellectual.
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Really? So putting an end to slave labor and forced child labor is merely an emotional exercise?
Really? Do you even read the crap you write or do you just copy paste it from the meth ho’s fan site?
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
8:55 pm
“Well, if you wanna be…it’s a choice, ya know…”
I think it’s safe to say, though, that *I* got forced into it!
getalife
August 15th, 2012
8:55 pm
Better give ryan a pee test and check for meth.
josef
August 15th, 2012
8:55 pm
DOGGONE
And now you’ve got to marry a gay man…oh, well, at least you can get your house tastefully redecorated and get your hair fried for free!
stands for decibels
August 15th, 2012
8:56 pm
The Bookman Bolsheviks seem to be terrified of Ryan as well they should
Thanks, Recon, I’ll add Ryan to that lonnnng list (I think it started with BibleSpice, it’s included such Presidential luminaries as Herman Cain and Donald Freakin’ Trump) of people I’m supposedly “terrified” of.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 15th, 2012
8:56 pm
Conservatism/Capitalism seeks to give everyone equal opportunity and to bring people to the best level of prosperity obtainable. No system in the history of the world has done better.
Liberalism/Socialism seeks to give everyone equal outcomes and to bring people down to the level of shared misery. The history of the world is full of systems that have done just that.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
8:57 pm
JamVet,
I would razz you but I just can’t. I’m a college football snob. You can call me the Mittens of college football. And as such I can’t bring myself to bust on a proud and revered program like NU. Now if you were a dawg fan you’ld be fair game.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
8:57 pm
“I also have to remember that a story can be “compelling” or maybe even “believable” without being rooted in fact. ”
Would that include the books by the subject of this blog? (I’ve never read any of them)
Fred ™
August 15th, 2012
8:57 pm
ragnar danneskjold
August 15th, 2012
8:49 pm
Our host’s essay is perfect evidence of the immorality of leftism – the attack on Ryan does not critique any policy he has advocated, nor any legislation he has proffered, but is a conventional leftist exploration into the politics of personal destruction. “Ryan ought not be president because he is evil.” The usual leftist argument.
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Logic is an exact and well established science. Why don’t you use it to show that the tripe you wrote above is anything more than the drug induced ravings of YOUR mind. I’m sure you will have no trouble.
Here I’ll help you out…….
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-logic/
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
8:58 pm
josef
Well what happens if the guy “turns” straight. So much for the decorations
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 15th, 2012
8:58 pm
Recon @ 8:42
Thanks. I was going to go but will let someone less informed have my seat …………….
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
8:59 pm
Nobody who has read Atlas can embrace leftism, as leftism is mobocracy, based on emotion rather than on anything intellectual.
I read all of her books before the age of 17.
Meh, she ain’t all that other than 20th century Heathcliff on the moors bosom heaving romance novels…
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I dated Kim Karsdasian .
That’s not what she said.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
9:00 pm
Scout
You need to go. That movie needs all the help it can get. It hasn’t even grossed 1 million to date.
Not exactly wooing even conservative America
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
9:00 pm
“at least you can get your house tastefully redecorated and get your hair fried for free!”
And they both need it!
Tom
August 15th, 2012
9:01 pm
Ragweed’s 8:46 restated: I always wonder whether columnists know what they write about. Has our host read Dianetics? I have, of course. I acknowledge that I have doubts about Scientology, but I have no doubt about the quality of Hubbard’s expose of the inherent immorality of medicine in Dianetics. Nobody who has read Dianetics can embrace psychology, as psychology is spiritualism, based on emotion rather than on anything intellectual.
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
9:06 pm
Fred
Did you see where the Mariner’s pitcher threw a perfect game?
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
9:08 pm
Scout
If you had a pair of tickets to go see that movie and you forgot them in your car and left it unlocked, there would be two pair of tickets when you got back.
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
9:08 pm
In 2001, Ryan led a coterie of conservatives who complained that George W. Bush’s $1.2 trillion tax cut was too small, and too focused on the middle class. In 2003, he lobbied Republicans to pass Bush’s deficit-financed prescription-drug benefit, which bestowed huge profits on the pharmaceutical and insurance industries. In 2005, when Bush campaigned to introduce private accounts into Social Security, Ryan fervently crusaded for the concept. He was the sponsor in the House of a bill to create new private accounts funded entirely by borrowing, with no benefit cuts. Ryan’s plan was so staggeringly profligate, entailing more than $2 trillion in new debt over the first decade alone, that even the Bush administration opposed it as “irresponsible.”
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
9:09 pm
“Really? So putting an end to slave labor and forced child labor is merely an emotional exercise?”
I dunno bout that Fred. When I think of erasing child labor in England in the U.S. I don’t think of leftist movements as much as I think about society in general changing and rising to a level of affluence where child labor was no longer necessary. Just about every society in history utilitizes child labor until it reaches a threshold of material wealth where people or nations can afford to educate children and take them out of the work force.
And in terms of forced child soldiers I think of the communist Kmer Rhouge. When I think of children being co-opted for political purposes I think of kids in North Korea or the youth in communist China during the cultural revolution- their little red books and their placing of dunce caps on people. Mao had a lock on the youth. In terms of exploiting the youth whether it be for forced conscription or forcing entire families into the fields to work- N.Korea, Cambodia, Russia I think the leftists have a lock on child exploitation.
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
9:09 pm
Would that include the books by the subject of this blog? (I’ve never read any of them)
Dunno. I think the closest I’ve come to reading something on that level is Peter Benchley’s Jaws.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
9:10 pm
Doggone/GA
If you’re really interested, rent the film The Fountainhead. Ayn Rand wrote the screenplay, it is representative of her work, Gary Cooper and Patricia Neal are entertaining to watch, and it’s only two hours of your life if you regret spending it on her message rather than the week it would take to plow your way through her books.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:11 pm
Looks like I made dave r go off again.
Kyle better ban him.
Mission Accomplished.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
9:11 pm
Scout at 8:56,
Preach it brother! Preach it!
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
9:12 pm
“If you’re really interested, rent the film The Fountainhead”
Thanks, but I’m really not. Judging by the people who espouse her “philosophy” it’s 2 hours I can spend on a million better things.
Recon 0311 2533
August 15th, 2012
9:14 pm
” I may decide to read that book at some point in the future, but I’d much rather hear what ideas are on the table now.”
You would have to watch the documentary or read his books. It wasn’t shaped by his father alone but by other influences that kept leading him to his fathers philosophy of anti-colonialism. I learned that in his formative years living in Jakarta his step father had little strength of influence in his life and I was surprised by that. It was his mother that kept the image of his father alive for him and later his grandparents when he returned to Hawaii. The influences in Obama’s life have come out over the last few years from others besides D’Souza but D’Souza does a good job of piecing it all together. Obama’s book title “Dreams from my Father” will help to provide insight into what that really means to Barack Obama after watching this documentary.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
9:14 pm
ninja- Ayn Rand’s work is very comforting in the new age of narcissistic a-holes, but her life proved how much of a joke it and they are.
You are serious that her life didn’t meet your expectations compared to the fictional book she wrote Wow!
Does that mean George Lucas is a racist because of the speech patterns displayed by Jar-Jar Binks?
Class of '98
August 15th, 2012
9:14 pm
It’s interesting to me that the same liberals who think Paul Ryan’s level if influence by Ayn Rand is of the UTMOST importance also seem to think there is NO WAY Obama could have been negatively influenced by sitting in the front row of Jeremiah “GD America” Wright’s church for 20you years.
Quite curious.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:15 pm
I read enough fiction on the blogs from the cons so don’t need any more fiction.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:16 pm
class,
Did you read the other cons before writing the exact same thing?
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
9:17 pm
We’re trying to get the joke out of the White House.
Already taken care.
November 7, 2008…
…the attack on Ryan does not critique any policy he has advocated, nor any legislation he has proffered…
No, just that he is a shameless liar. By his own words.
Which means absolutely nothing to you Randians…
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
9:19 pm
“Does that mean George Lucas is a racist because of the speech patterns displayed by Jar-Jar Binks?”
Yeah, he’s prejudiced against amphibian human like creatures.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
9:21 pm
JamVet,
Good thing for me that my attractiveness to you is way way down the list of my priorities.
Eventually getting there would require your own perspicacity about morality, what it is and why one has one, the influence of 2000 years of Christianity, the teachings of Ayn Rand, philosophy, Aristotle, Locke, the Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution and why it is so special, etc.
I’m here to help when you’re ready.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:21 pm
There will be good movies made on our President after his second term.
The documentary on his election was pretty good to see inside the brilliant campaign.
Obama is over
August 15th, 2012
9:23 pm
Let me get this straight. Today Jay lectures us on social responsibility and how the GOP emphasizes individual success. At the same time Obama is campaigning in Iowa touting the ethanol mandate in the face of the worst drought in 50 years. $8 corn is forcing farmers to sell their livestock because they can no longer afford the feed. Once again, Obama is sacrificing the needs of the ENTIRE country in order to cowtow to a special interest voting block. Obama is spending $170mm to buy livestock. Ethanol lowers mpg’s, raises the cost of gas, and does not reduce carbon emmisions while using 40% of the U.S. corn crop. Next year when the price of pork, beef, and chicken has doubled, Americans will look back and wonder why Obama did not have the courage to address this disaster by eliminating an outdated ineffective program. He could even get bipartisan support. Unfortunately, this action would require leadership, a sense of social responsibility for ALL Americans, and accountability. All we are getting is more Obama spending in another blatant attempt to buy votes.
Ninja
August 15th, 2012
9:23 pm
“You are serious that her life didn’t meet your expectations compared to the fictional book she wrote Wow!
Does that mean George Lucas is a racist because of the speech patterns displayed by Jar-Jar Binks?”
Can somebody enlighten me on what point this was actually trying to make? Last I checked, George Lucas didn’t start a Jedi Order, or pretend to be a philosopher espousing the way.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:23 pm
class,
Lets try this one.
Was it your knee jerk reaction to deflect and attack our President?
They BOTH suck
August 15th, 2012
9:24 pm
“Today Jay lectures us on social responsibility and how the GOP emphasizes individual success.”
You making the choice to read an article does not a lecture make.
And that is as far as I went with your bs
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:24 pm
odrama,
Tell you failed party to pass the farm bill so he does not have to act alone.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:25 pm
ninja,
They live in a fictional world so……..
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
9:26 pm
“BTW…did you say you were banned on Kyles blog? If I understood you correctly, for what?”
Del, there is a certain poster on Kyle’s blog (who shall remain nameless) who used to post under a different name here (and was banned from Jay’s blog). In fact, he used his real first name and initial for his last name.
To make a long story short, he used to brag about his political position (which he was not re-elected to) in a certain county. Others — not me — were able to put 2 and 2 together a ascertain his true identity.
Now that he posts under a different name on Kyle’s blog, he is uber-sensitive about anyone using anything that resembles his previous nom de blogue.
The night that everything blew up, I referred to him by a variation of his former blog handle. Well, the proverbial ship hit the sand. There were threats of lawsuits, etc.
From my viewpoint, I thought it was the best night I’ve ever had on any blog. This particular blogger was having a hissy fit. Not to mention providing enjoyment for everyone in attendance.
Unfortunately, Kyle didn’t see it that way. He “scrubbed” the blog and that’s the last time I’ve ever been able to post over there.
So now you know the story.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
9:27 pm
…nothing to you Randians…. –JamVet
Everyone,
I’m beginning to see the liberal strategy this year. Label your opponent something he’s not, mis-state what he believes in, misrepresent the philosophy that he doesn’t believe in and carry on, knowing that the main bulk of the liberal press corps will give it a complete pass.
So, all of us are Randians, now that Jay Bookman misdefined it?
JamVet is spouting words like an addict eats ice cream, it’s comfort food for him/her.
Sure dude. Whatever makes you happy. Look! There’s something shiny over there! Go after it!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
9:27 pm
Let me get this straight.
Fail.
But you can take solace in the fact that no one who has posted those five fatal words has ever succeeded.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
9:27 pm
fred- Does it make you feel patriotic to belittle our Country this much?
Being a Soldier and loving our country makes me feel patriotic. I’m sure it’s like the feeling you get when your sitting naked on your couch, watching Madcow, and waving your flag.
-YOU and crap like THIS is the reason the rest of the world won’t take us serious.
The wimp in the White House and things like apology tours are the reason the rest of the world won’t take us (him) seriously. Mortgaging our grandchildren to China isn’t helping matters either.
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
9:29 pm
Among the staunchest advocates of those government-subsidized banks was … Paul Ryan, who fought to protect bank subsidies that many of his fellow Republicans deemed too outrageous to defend. In 2009, Obama finally eliminated the guaranteed-lending racket. It could save the government an estimated $62 billion, according to the CBO.
Paul’s real mama, Ayn Rand, must be rolling over in her grave at the large government ways of Ryan.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
9:34 pm
Talk about embarrassing and demented!
Including that atheistic hag and drug addict in a list of Aristotle, Locke, the Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution?
??????????????????
No wonder you are so pathetic!!
And no wonder you value our American system so little!!
You probably would list the Spice Girls in a list with Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky and Copland…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
9:34 pm
YOU and crap like THIS is the reason the rest of the world won’t take us serious[sic].
I believe “the rest of the world won’t take us serious[ly]” because of lies of smoking guns, mushroom clouds and yellow cake uranium.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
9:35 pm
At the same time Obama is campaigning in Iowa touting the ethanol mandate in the face of the worst drought in 50 years.
Obama is over,
Very discerning point. Excellent!
I always agreed that ethanol was a bad idea. It simply requires too much energy and processing to make an ear of corn burn in a gas tank. Like so many Washington schemes, now that food is becoming a real crisis, especially for poorer countries, like Mexico (and maybe here too) our own government is completely unaware of the issue. We’re talking on the Bookman blog about “Randians”.
Recon 0311 2533
August 15th, 2012
9:35 pm
Sooth,
Thanks for the update. I like many of Kyle’s commentaries, which I’m sure doesn’t surprise you but I rarely post on his blog. Jay rarely dumps anyone and when he does it’s typically after he’s provided more than ample warning. Posting on political blogs is not for the faint of heart.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
9:36 pm
In fact, ethanol subsidies are the epitome of crony-capitalism. With government using tax dollars to buy corn for gas, Archer Daniels Midland can afford a flock of K-Street lobbyists to coerce, cajole and buy influence in DC.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:37 pm
“The wimp in the White House and things like apology tours are the reason the rest of the world won’t take us (him) seriously. Mortgaging our grandchildren to China isn’t helping matters either.”
w is gone con.
Perhaps you should show some patriotism instead of daily attacking our President.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
9:38 pm
“YOU and crap like THIS is the reason the rest of the world won’t take us serious[sic].”
code for: they’re not afraid of us any more
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:39 pm
embarrasment,
So? It is today’s politics. You bow down for it so stop crying con.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
9:40 pm
“Posting on political blogs is not for the faint of heart.”
Nor is it for those who take things too seriously.
You know me, I love to get a hold of someone who loses their temper. That’s when the fun starts!
But, more than anything else I love to stick pins in inflated egos. I delight in it!
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
9:42 pm
“You probably would list the Spice Girls in a list with Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky and Copland…”
Well now in defense of the spice girls they are pretty hot ya know. Or they were pretty hot. Back in the day that is…
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:42 pm
” Posting on political blogs is not for the faint of heart.”
I made dave r cry to moomy.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
9:42 pm
getalife- There will be good movies made on our President after his second term
Just like Hitler.
I’m sure it will be some great fiction. Maybe you could get Michael Moore to direct.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
9:44 pm
See, Obambarrassment, that’s where I disagree with you. Corn farmers (and all grain farmers) have a long run of prosperity since ethanol.
I can remember when the price of corn was so low, you could only lose money growing it.
To me, it makes sense to keep the money here in the U.S. rather than send it to Venezuela!
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
9:45 pm
Doomy, LOL, bu the guy is the true embarrassment for writing something as mindless as that. I still can’t believe that he did! Wowzers…
BTW, I misspoke, the Huskers are ranked 16th, not 24th.
We’ll probably flop around again, though I’ve seen two reviews showing them going 10 – 2. One even saying they win the Big 10.
Even with a stiffer Blackshirt defense, I have my doubts…
G Mare
August 15th, 2012
9:46 pm
Jumping in late – great column, Jay! And our Ms. Tucker is (was?) on HardBall today!
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:46 pm
jk,
I like watching history and there are no good movies made about hitler.
I have not seen Moore’s movies .
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
9:46 pm
And no wonder you value our American system so little!!
JamVet,
Jay got into trouble on this blog for posting something that just wasn’t true at all, either about Ryan or Rand. I and many others pointed this out, including a very good post by Common Sense. The plain fact is that you need to know something about Ayn Rand in order to carry on a discussion about her. Jay clearly did not, and he could not defend our assertions against him. He didn’t even try. Neither in fact, can you.
Now, I agree with you, if in all your bombast that you are explicitly saying that Rand’s “philosophy” is paper thin, incomplete and even (I would add) barely human.
What I and others were trying to caution people about is saying things that aren’t true at all, such as No wonder you are so pathetic!!
And no wonder you value our American system so little!!
Carry on about me being pathetic or valuing the American system so little is just what Bookman is doing with Ryan and Rand, continuing a bald faced lie –or not apologizing for complete inaccuracy– and shamelessly standing by it. Your seeming propensity for outrage seems like you already know this to be true.
Me thinks thou dost protest too much.
Recon 0311 2533
August 15th, 2012
9:49 pm
Time to mosey. y’all have a great evening. I’m out
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:49 pm
embarrassment,
All you did was embarrass yourself con but that is what cons do so I expect it..
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
9:50 pm
“I can’t quite grasp how someone could be influenced by a person they rarely had contact with, but I can see how one would be somewhat influenced by a person of importance not being in your life.”
Easy.It may just be longing for a father they never had, a sort of psychological defense mechanism to avoid the feeling of abandonment, who knows? He isn’t the first famous person who seems to revere a father who was never there. I believe Mariah Carey and a few others were like that.
You wouldn’t think that someone taken hostage would sympathize with their captors either. But they do- Stockholm Syndrome.
That Black Guy,
August 15th, 2012
9:50 pm
Fred ™ August 15th, 2012 7:48 pm
that would be Black Guy not black Guy. Sorry.
————-
Fred, you are my dude. Don’t worry how you spell it.
Just keep kicking them in the knutz.
Jay
August 15th, 2012
9:50 pm
Excuse me, Embarrassment?
Nothing I posted was wrong. Everything that I quoted was linked to the evidence supporting it, including video. Your bluster and posturing on this issue gets you nowhere, other than to make you look exceedingly foolish.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:51 pm
Basically, what our President is doing is spending without broken congress to help farmers and our economy.
Obama is over
August 15th, 2012
9:51 pm
JKL2 @ 9:27
At least we can take comfort in Biden’s ability to command respect in the world.
Tundra Dude
August 15th, 2012
9:51 pm
Paul Ryan, who fought to protect bank subsidies that many of his fellow Republicans deemed too outrageous to defend
I give him credit for showing some of that “Randian individualism”..
Nothing’s too outrageous for a dedicated SOB, (servant of banksters).
dbm
August 15th, 2012
9:52 pm
Slavery is very anti-capitalistic and very anti-Randian.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 15th, 2012
9:52 pm
Well, people are talking about Ayn Rand so much I done some looking on the innernet tubes for her. About the first thing I found was a big picture of her. There she set, looking at the camera, her cigarette in hand. And this picture was in 1979, after all the research proved the link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer—which she died from.
That’s all I needed to know about her brain power. Have a good night everybody.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
9:52 pm
Jay got into trouble on this blog for posting something that just wasn’t true at all, either about Ryan or Rand.
Blithering deflections. All of it.
He wrote that Ryan lied about his position regarding her. He wrote that he admired the hell out of her and perverted “philosophy” (My words, LOL!)
And for you attention challenged he even provided the video!
He then demonstrated – unequivocally again – that the tea party darling then turned right around and said he didn’t.
Meat! His own words prove it. He’s a liar.
And you do not care one iota.
Are you that incapable of understanding this basic flaw?
Are you on something?
bman
August 15th, 2012
9:53 pm
In a weird way, I sort of want Obama to win. He’s much too young to lose by a close margin and just do post-Presidential stuff. The first signs of trouble would likely bring him out again.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:54 pm
Tundra Dude,
ryan took the easy way out.
The hard part is fighting against the bankers.
They are very powerful.
bluecoat
August 15th, 2012
9:54 pm
This ethanol mandate who’s stupid idea was this?When was it started?
Jay
August 15th, 2012
9:55 pm
But I’ll have to agree with you on the ethanol question — Obama was wrong to be out there defending that mandate.
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
9:56 pm
If I did not respect my Commander-In-Chief, I would leave the military. Of course that’s just me.
Mick
August 15th, 2012
9:56 pm
jay
Nice column, I think you hit it out of the park…this is precisely why people are so turned off by politics – you can say anything and not be accountable for the truth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLsBwLhIVkk&feature=related
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
9:57 pm
getalife- Perhaps you should show some patriotism instead of daily attacking our President
I show patriotism every day. As long as we have a complete incompetent in the White House, it will take some time before I stop attacking the president. Hillary said it’s my civic duty to do so.
Jay
August 15th, 2012
9:57 pm
In the end, Ayn Rand was to philosophy what Jacqueline Susann was to great literature.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
9:57 pm
Jay, Obambarrassment is a poster who used to post here, but was banned. He is using the new handle and e-mail to conceal his true identity. That’s all I can say about the matter.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:57 pm
bman,
Usually President’s screw up their legacy in their second term but he lives with his Mother in law so don’t think it would be with an intern.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
9:58 pm
JamVet,
I can see NU winning the Big 10. If not them then who? Wisconsin returns something like only 11 starters and Michigan lost a lot of players on both fronts. Mich. state lost a lot of good players too including their qb who was a 3 year starter. Ohio State looks to be strong with most of their team returning. The problem? They are on probation and ineligible to win the big 10 or go bowling.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
9:59 pm
“As long as we have a complete incompetent in the White House”
More incompetent than w?
Please detail this thought.
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
9:59 pm
It’s a good thing for President Obama that JKL2 was not a member of a SEAL team. The President needs soldiers that he can trust.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
10:00 pm
Who the hell is Jacqueline Sussan? Jay been reading romance novels again?
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
10:01 pm
“Who the hell is Jacqueline Sussan?”
Your Google broken again?
zeke
August 15th, 2012
10:02 pm
i am not expert on rand as mr. embarrassment suggests we must be before critiqueing rand and ryan. i did read some of what has been written about rand and watched videos of ryan touting her and videos of him backstroking as fast as he could from her. wonder what conclusions would most sensible folks have of this situation? wish matt tiabbi would explore this.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:02 pm
Sooth,
We had one admit using ip spoofers to defeat the ban.
A high tech con that takes banning way too seriously.
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
10:02 pm
JKL2
Go public like that Marine did on Facebook. At least he put his criticism and name out there.
Wasn’t the smartest thing to do, but it was ballsy
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
10:04 pm
Soothsayer,
I don’t like the idea of sending money to Chavez either. But corn farmers are largely ADM and other large companies, very rich fellows, who, now that the price is quite high, do not need subsidies to make money.
Where are the Democrats speaking out against big business on this subject?
Besides the issue of big business, ethanol must be subsidized because it is inefficient to refine corn into alcohol that will burn in cars, as cars and vehicles are required to be built now.
You also might ask, why not wood or other products?. Well, we are producing some of these things, and this year, the government ended some oil company subsidies and they stopped purchasing Brazilian ethanol, the foreign money flight you are worried about.
On the bad side, cars in this country are, by law, not allowed to run on anything but gasoline, except with ethanol additives only. So once again you have government intervention, subsidies and a mix of unvetted policy that causes chaos in the market. Some of the cost actually is added by the do-gooders in the state of California, which makes little real sense.
You can read the article below.
http://www.altenergystocks.com/archives/biofuels/ethanol/
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:04 pm
sooth- To me, it makes sense to keep the money here in the U.S. rather than send it to Venezuela!
agreed. Now if we could just get the left to think that about drilling for oil.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
10:05 pm
doggone,
I guess the meaning of a rhetorical question(one that doesn’t really require an answer) escapes you. Google it.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:06 pm
“Obama was wrong to be out there defending that mandate.”
Green energy is part of his agenda on energy so of course he will defend it.
Jay
August 15th, 2012
10:06 pm
Who the hell is Jacqueline Sussan?
Exactly my point, Thulsa, thank you.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
10:07 pm
I guess I’m not going to have to come up with a rhetorical question disclaimer for the libs so that they know the author doesn’t really expect an answer. Sheesh.
Mick
August 15th, 2012
10:07 pm
Funny how even after gore won the popular vote and the supremes gave us the previous guy, we settled into letting him try to be president and after it was all over the world economy was in tatters. Obama might not be the greatest but he sure has done his best to repair the cracks and foundation, especially with a hostile minority party and record filibusters…
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
10:08 pm
“I guess the meaning of a rhetorical question(one that doesn’t really require an answer) escapes you”
Yep. You’ve been here long enough to have seen the many times that I’ve stated I have a very literal mind. Subtlety is pretty much lost on me. And it appears it is on Jay too!
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:08 pm
jk,
We are drilling more than ever but what happens when it runs out?
Can you think that far ahead?
bman
August 15th, 2012
10:08 pm
“Your Google broken again?”
Google is used as a tool by bloggers here far too much. You know…I could post something (probably here) about you being a male, and why I believe that. Sooner or later, that info will be located within google.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
10:09 pm
“I guess I’m not going to have to come up with a rhetorical question”
Maybe your personal assessment of your subtlety is WAY overblown.
Jay
August 15th, 2012
10:10 pm
“On the bad side, cars in this country are, by law, not allowed to run on anything but gasoline, except with ethanol additives only.”
Interesting assertion, Embarrassed One. So all those cars driving on diesel, biodiesel, natural gas, propane, electricity and even hydrogen are breaking the law?
The things you can “learn” here from those more knowledgable than yourself are amazing.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:11 pm
Mick,
Sums it up nicely.
Jay
August 15th, 2012
10:12 pm
I guess it IS against the law to drive cars fueled by water. Then again, that would be in violation of the laws of nature, rather than the U.S. government.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
10:12 pm
Doggone,
Naw. It loks like Jay got it.
“Maybe your personal assessment of your subtlety is WAY overblown.”
More like my assessment of your ability to comprehend is WAYYYYY to generous.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
10:12 pm
“Sooner or later, that info will be located within google”
Sure. Hold your breath for that one. That last person who tried to identify me via the internet disappeared abruptly from here and never came back.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:13 pm
taxpayer- If I did not respect my Commander-In-Chief, I would leave the military. Of course that’s just me.
I was here first. Hopefully I’ll still be here long after that clown is gone.
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
10:14 pm
Doggone
Did you have the mafia fit them with concrete shoes?
j/k
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
10:14 pm
“More like my assessment of your ability to comprehend is WAYYYYY to generous.”
Taking your words at face value hardly qualifies as lack of comprehension. That you didn’t MEAN them literally didn’t really come across very well
Jay
August 15th, 2012
10:14 pm
“Green energy is part of his agenda on energy so of course he will defend it’.
Except that ethanol’s standing as green energy — at least corn-derived ethanol — is at best questionable.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:15 pm
“do not need subsidies to make money. ”
So, do you agree the gop should cut big oil subsidies?
zeke
August 15th, 2012
10:15 pm
ryan would fit right in with the georgia general assembly:
http://www.thedailypage.com/daily/article.php?article=37501
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
10:15 pm
bman – seriously here…I’d be VERY interested to know what leads you to the conclusion that I’m not a woman.
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
10:15 pm
“Hopefully I’ll still be here long after that clown is gone.”
Bush left in Jan 09, so you have exceeded your goal by a long shot
Way to go……….
Congrats
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
10:16 pm
I’m surprised at the lack of advancement in the development of a hot air powered car though.
Mick
August 15th, 2012
10:16 pm
I wonder if this kind of car is legal?
http://www.terrafugia.com/aircraft.html
Jm-pass TSPLOST-oh well ATL is screwed
August 15th, 2012
10:16 pm
Meh, bunch of nonsense in this blog post from jay
Drive by
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:17 pm
Jay.
It is a renewable resource like sugar cane.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:17 pm
bman- He’s much too young to lose by a close margin and just do post-Presidential stuff. The first signs of trouble would likely bring him out again.
He could join Carter on the “Anti-American” world tour.
Jay
August 15th, 2012
10:17 pm
Pomposity is also in ever-growing supply, Taxpayer. At least from what I’m seeing. A bluster-powered car would also do quite well, considering how cheap the fuel is.
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
10:17 pm
“Drive by”
Worn out by talk radio years ago. You need some new material
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
10:18 pm
“Did you have the mafia fit them with concrete shoes?”
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
10:18 pm
In the end, Ayn Rand was to philosophy what Jacqueline Susann was to great literature
Au contraire.
The Valley of the Dolls?
A classic.
And the film version with America’s sweetheart Patty Duke as Neely O’Hara — the spiraling out-of-control film/stage star?
Homeric.
bman
August 15th, 2012
10:18 pm
Doggone…haha I think you may have misunderstood. My point was that google may have all of the answers, but they do not always provide the correct answers.
I personally don’t care if you’re male, female, 50 or 90. However, if you’re in your mid to late 30’s and Asian…well that’s another story
Tundra Dude
August 15th, 2012
10:18 pm
Who the hell is Jacqueline Sussan?
No such animal.
There was a Jacqueline Susann, of Valley of the Dolls fame.
I’m sure all you old-timers remember…..
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
10:19 pm
I was here first. Hopefully I’ll still be here long after that clown is gone.
I’m sure if you’re a good little soldier and keep your remarks limited to anonymous posts, JKL2, you’ll do just fine.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
10:19 pm
“I’m surprised at the lack of advancement in the development of a hot air powered car though.”
Well, there’s a French inventor working on a compressed air powered car. Close, but not QUITE hot air powered!
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
10:20 pm
Doggone
You said the blogger never came back. So I jokingly said you have the mafia put a hit on them…………. meaning KILL that person
the j/k meant just kidding
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:20 pm
goody three shoes- Wasn’t the smartest thing to do, but it was ballsy
Marines aren’t known for their intelligence.
Don’t look for me on facebook because I’m not there.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
10:20 pm
“I personally don’t care if you’re male, female, 50 or 90″
Then why did you even bring it up?
Mick
August 15th, 2012
10:21 pm
jkl2
oxyMORON – how can an american president be anti-american?
Reality
August 15th, 2012
10:21 pm
Have you looked back at some of the socialist, communist, leaning pals that Mr. O’bama hung with back in his “college days”? Makeing statements like ” that business you got into’ you didn’t do that by yourself”. Someone helped you get started. O’bama’s a damn socialist through and through. What really gets me is O’bama has nothing in common with 90% of the blacks in America. He’s NEVER lived in Houseing Projects, nevr struggled financialy as they have. He’s just useing them for votes.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
10:22 pm
Jay,
Speaking of ethanol are you in favor of it or not. I think it sucks. Has a really bad effect on the 2 or 4 stroke lawn equipment like chainsaws, weedeaters, etc. The ethanol just eats up the hoses from what a couple of people have told me. But the real reason I don’t like it is because all that extra fertilizer to grow all that corn goes into the gulf and is likely responsibile for that growing dead zone. If we are going to go green lets do it in the way of the electric car, solar car, natural gas powered car(ok maybe not green). But the ethanol gas I could do without.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
10:23 pm
“You said the blogger never came back. So I jokingly said you have the mafia put a hit on them”
Oh sorry! I get it now. I’m getting sleepy for sure! But to answer (just in case you really are curious) I don’t know what happened. He got VERY close to making actualy threats against me and the next thing I knew, he was gone. Jay never said anything so I don’t know if he was banned or just chose to leave.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
10:24 pm
I guess it IS against the law to drive cars fueled by water. Then again, that would be in violation of the laws of nature, rather than the U.S. government.
Electrolysis breaks down the water into oxygen and hydrogen, both of which are combustible.
Though storing the hydrogen is extremely problematic, and driving around with a tank of hydrogen breaks the laws of common sense.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
10:25 pm
“Well, there’s a French inventor working on a compressed air powered car. Close, but not QUITE hot air powered!”
“Hot air” powered car? Let Obama blow in the engine once or twice. It’ll work just fine.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:25 pm
getalife- We are drilling more than ever but what happens when it runs out? Can you think that far ahead?
Yes we are drilling more than ever inspite of our presidents best efforts to stop it. Feel free to spout some more nonsense about it not affecting the price of gas. I know you Democrats know nothing about job production.
No, I’m not thinking a couple hundred years into the future. I’m sure they’ll have something else by then.
Jay
August 15th, 2012
10:25 pm
Thulsa, as I’ve tried to make clear tonight, and also in the past, I’m not an ethanol fan. The Embarrassed One is right about that much — it’s crony capitalism, supported in the past by both right and left. Sugar-based ethanol makes economic and environmental sense, but the inputs needed for corn-based ethanol — including petroleum-based fertilizer — do not.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
10:25 pm
Top 10 Ethanol Facts:
1. Iowa’s ethanol industry can produce more than 3.7 billion gallons annually, using over 1.3 billion bushels of corn.
2. One bushel of corn can produce 2.8 gallons of ethanol. And 1/3 of a bushel of corn used to produce ethanol goes back to livestock feed in the form of DDGs. (Brewer’s grain)
3. Iowa leads the nation in ethanol production, creating nearly 30% of all ethanol.
4. One out of every 10 Iowa vehicles are able to fill up with higher blends of ethanol, including E85 which means 60 cents of every dollar spent filling up remains in Iowa.
5. A 2008 Merrill Lynch study found that ethanol prevented gasoline prices from rising as much as 15%.
6. While the U.S. imports 65% of its petroleum needs, domestic ethanol now reduces oil imports by 128,000 barrels each day.
7. Each barrel of domestic ethanol displaces 1.2 barrels of imported petroleum.
8. Producing ethanol requires less water than gasoline – by a 3-to-1 margin.
9. The ethanol industry has resulted in 50,000 new jobs in Iowa and accounts for $13 billion of Iowa GDP.
10. Ethanol contains 230% more energy than it takes to produce it.
That said, I still believe the only transport fuel that is practical is solar-produced hydrogen.
bluecoat
August 15th, 2012
10:25 pm
Makes one wonder.How some people would have been without Newt in their lives.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
10:25 pm
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
6:05 pm
JosephReality (what a joke), didn’t you get the word?!Joseph McCarthy is dead!
And his demented witch hunts for “communists, Marxists, socialist and pinkos” (oh my!) died a hideous death. Along with his legacy!
And America celebrated!
Except apparently for in a bizarre little element in the GOP, where it still survives like some Klannish anachronism…
ld
August 15th, 2012
10:26 pm
Though golf has usually been a rich man’s game ( country club memberships, et al) and “handicap” is a term golfer’s understand w/regard to that game, most of the rich seem incapable of comprehending the term in any other context.
The “ratrace” of employment in the game of life has handicaps, too.
A child born into wealth and beginning adult life without debt and usually with a good education, with a wardrobe suitable for white-collar employment, with dependable transportation — all usually paid for in total or in substantial part by his/her parents — and usually also having both social and business contacts via his/her parents positions and/or able to borrow to from or w/co-sign aid of parents to start up a business CERTAINLY begins the “ratrace” at a totally different starting point —– not only way ahead of a child of an impoverished dropout but even way ahead of the high-school grad w/mountains of college loan debt and none of the other perks of his/her wealthier classmates. Notwithstanding this,
The wealthiest among us using the GOP (w/power its power gained by trading away individual liberty and less intrusive gov’t w/regard to social issues for the votes of religious zealots) has lobbied and manipulated our economic system so that no only do these wealthiest among us have an easier path to run in the ratrace but they get all kinds of “breaks” along the way, such as tax loopholes and exemptions and lower tax rates for interest, dividend and investment income AND corporate welfare.
The GOP has done this to the substantial detriment of the employee class by screaming about “class warfare” — when, in fact, it is the employer class that has waged class warfare since before the first efforts of employees to unionize — and by screaming about “wealth envy” — whenever the employee class seeks fair compensation for their labors — that is not envy, that is capitalism w/integrity — something the policies of the GOP have all but destroyed in this country. (evidence the bank debacle and the profitteering from the Bush wars)
It is, in fact, the greed of the wealthiest among us that is more obscene than any xxx rated porn — that should be reviled.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
10:26 pm
“Though storing the hydrogen is extremely problematic, and driving around with a tank of hydrogen breaks the laws of common sense.”
If you ever see what happens when a tank of gasoline explodes, you’d think so about that fuel too. When I got my van – which has a 30 gallon tank – it took me a LONG time to get over the feeling that I was driving a rolling bomb around!
ld
August 15th, 2012
10:28 pm
Jay: sugar based ethanol might also raise the price of getting fat and produce positive unintended side effects?
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
10:28 pm
You would have to watch the documentary or read his books. It wasn’t shaped by his father alone but by other influences that kept leading him to his fathers philosophy of anti-colonialism.
I’ll consider the recommendation for reading once this election stuff is over and done with. I’m always open to new opinions and perspectives.
————————–
Easy.It may just be longing for a father they never had, a sort of psychological defense mechanism to avoid the feeling of abandonment, who knows?
In that case, it wouldn’t be the father shaping the ideology but the lack of a father which isn’t what was the original assessment. I know it sounds nitpicky, but it seems unlikely that a father who’s rarely there would influence when it would actually be the absence of the father that’s the true influence. That’s just my view though. My degree is in math and not psychology.
————————-
Interesting assertion, Embarrassed One. So all those cars driving on diesel, biodiesel, natural gas, propane, electricity and even hydrogen are breaking the law?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyxLGSMtqtM
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:29 pm
taxpayer- The President needs soldiers that he can trust
It’s shame you didn’t vote for a trustworthy candidate for president. Unfortunately I have to put up with your poor decisions.
Jay
August 15th, 2012
10:29 pm
I’d be for that too, ld.
Fat-burning cars? Stick a hose up your buttocks and ….
With that, good night all.
Doggone/GA
August 15th, 2012
10:30 pm
I’m nodding off. Night all.
Mick
August 15th, 2012
10:30 pm
**It’s shame you didn’t vote for a trustworthy candidate for president**
Talk about tunnel vision, who is that candidate?
luckylu
August 15th, 2012
10:31 pm
An American president becomes anti-American when he or she does not respect the people for whom he or she is president.
Peter
August 15th, 2012
10:31 pm
And America celebrated!
Yes for the first time in 75 years we beat Mexico in Soccer in Mexico 1-0 .
What a wonderful game !
Jay
August 15th, 2012
10:31 pm
Of course, a lot of the obesity in this country is caused by high-fructose corn syrup, not sugar, which brings us around to the beginning.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
10:31 pm
It is impossible for a tank of hydrogen or a tank of gasoline to explode unless the precise mixture of oxygen (17 to 1 for gas) is present. That’s not to say it won’t burn — it will. But it won’t explode.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
10:32 pm
Yes we are drilling more than ever inspite of our presidents best efforts to stop it.
2, once again, where do you come up with all of these goofball stories?
Seriously, I might be interested in checking it out. (Just for comedic purposes, mind you…)
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
10:32 pm
Though storing the hydrogen is extremely problematic, and driving around with a tank of hydrogen breaks the laws of common sense.
http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:32 pm
jk,
“Yes we are drilling more than ever inspite of our presidents best efforts to stop it”
He approved it silly and will approve the pipeline too.
” I know you Democrats know nothing about job production.”
I am not a dem but had experience in production.
“No, I’m not thinking a couple hundred years into the future. I’m sure they’ll have something else by then.”
Long term thinking is not your thing but you have a horrible attitude.
What is your major malfunction?
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
10:34 pm
Once we get that CO2 level up high enough, I suspect the ears of corn will be so big–how big will they be!–they’ll be so big, just one ear will power one cow plus one E85 car and still have enough left over to make enough corn dogs to satisfy Michelle Bachmann’s cravings for a year. Now that’s a big ear of corn. Bring on that global warming. Just pay no attention to them drought setbacks. I hear they’re working on a drought resistant corn even as we speak. I think they plan on calling it popcorn.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
10:35 pm
“it’s crony capitalism, supported in the past by both right and left.”
Yep. The ilk of both stripes support it in corn growing states.
“Sugar-based ethanol makes economic and environmental sense, but the inputs needed for corn-based ethanol — including petroleum-based fertilizer — do not.”
Well hell must have frozen over because we agree on 3 points in 1 post. Sugar cane based ethanol does make sense to me for cars. Outside of south Florida we don’t have it though. I would have no problem importing it in mass quantities from Brazil or Carribbean nations willing to produce it. Would be a win win for us as well as their economies.
Mick
August 15th, 2012
10:35 pm
**An American president becomes anti-American when he or she does not respect the people for whom he or she is president.**
And your evidence of that is???
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
10:35 pm
That said, I still believe the only transport fuel that is practical is solar-produced hydrogen.
http://www.hydrogenhouseproject.org/
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:36 pm
goody- Bush left in Jan 09, so you have exceeded your goal by a long shot
I really miss that man too. My friends at Walter Reed say he stops by all the time. obama comes by ever couple months with an army of photographers to take some happy snaps and hits the road. He could care less about the Soldiers while Bush is still showing his support years after leaving office.
That’s the difference between a leader and the clown you adore.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
10:37 pm
Yes for the first time in 75 years we beat Mexico in Soccer in Mexico 1-0 .
What a wonderful game !
Small potatoes
We beat Spain 2-0 in the 2009 Confederation Cup semifimal
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
10:38 pm
It’s shame you didn’t vote for a trustworthy candidate for president. Unfortunately I have to put up with your poor decisions.
I voted for the right person, JKL2. You’re just working for the wrong one. Feel free to quit any time. You don’t have to put up with him for another minute. Walk away from it. Show us what you’re made of.
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
10:39 pm
Mick
I think that blogger is trying to say that anti-American equals the President not having the same political views as he does, but he was attempting to veil it within a mound of crap.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:39 pm
mick- how can an american president be anti-american?
Because “hopey-changey” want to “radically transform America”. Sounds like a guy who doesn’t like it very much to me.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
10:40 pm
“Yes for the first time in 75 years we beat Mexico in Soccer in Mexico 1-0.”
I hate it that I missed it. And while Mexico may not be Spain they are still pretty good. And beating them in Azteca stadium is HUGE! Sweet action!
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
10:40 pm
Mr. Bookman,
The nuevo obsession with Ayn Rand is nothing more than gotcha journalism. The truth is that when it is convenient for Obama, you will call Ryan a “Randian” even though there is no such thing. Her so-called philosophy is called “objectivism”, and I agree with you, it is a stretch to call it such.
When it is convenient you will call Ryan a Catholic, clearly an incompatible religion and philosophy to objectivism. You clearly have taken Ryan out of context, like so many on the liberal side. The alarm is more of the same nonsense Biden’s spewing these days about hauling away negroes in chains. Instead, we conservatives are supposedly going to eliminate all programs for need and government assistance until grandma is scrounging nuggets from dog-food cans.
Gore did this in 2000. Today’s version contains much more vitriol and lies.
Paul Ryan doesn’t go to the Objectivist church on Sunday, and he doesn’t pray to Ayn Rand. He goes to Catholic Churches, and he believes in Jesus Christ.
You took an interview from 3 years ago that is admittedly parsed, and you used it for your own shameless purposes—mis-stating the views about another.
Ryan might be a redneck Christian bigot if it suited your purposes for this poorly referenced column, but the arguments you are making are about myths, stories that aren’t at all real.
In short, you are a liar, Jay Bookman.
You and others are out there saying that Ryan “worships” and has “faith in Rand’s philosophy.”
Here’s more of your tinfoil hat stuff: a program, like your column, that few watch or even know about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9LGiJfMVhs
Now, if only anyone other than the right would start paying attention to Obama’s place of worship and “God Damn America.”
That was real, Liar Bookman; Ryan’s “faith in” Rand is not.
Mick
August 15th, 2012
10:41 pm
jkl2
Bush should visit as much as possible – he put them there! Haliburton should also be picking up some of the tab for these 30k seriously wounded soldiers. You admire a man who started a war of choice, shameful…
JustAskin
August 15th, 2012
10:42 pm
Reality
August 15th, 2012
10:21 pm
Have you looked back at some of the socialist, communist, leaning pals that Mr. O’bama hung with back in his “college days”? Makeing statements like ” that business you got into’ you didn’t do that by yourself”. Someone helped you get started. O’bama’s a damn socialist through and through. What really gets me is O’bama has nothing in common with 90% of the blacks in America. He’s NEVER lived in Houseing Projects, nevr struggled financialy as they have. He’s just useing them for votes.
@Reality…HAVE YOU? If there was any merit to this, please believe the powers that be in the Republican party would have uncovered it. Else you are telling us that the Republican party is not wise enough to uncover this.
How do you assert that President Obama has nothing in common with 90% of blacks in America?
I’ve never lived in the projects, never received government assistance, but as a so-called “black American”, I can relate. Can you relate to the poor whites of America or are you one of those who just ignore that poor whites exist and only pander to them when their vote is needed? Perdue promised to put the “flag” up for a vote knowing full well he would not, but you poor rural white Americans said “heck yell” we got your back Sonny, and Sonny didn’t do crap. Poor whites in America are ignored and used until election time.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:42 pm
“I really miss that man too.”
Missing a man that destroyed our country?
That is not patriotism.
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
10:42 pm
JKL2
Murtha did the same. Even had a Republican Rep from his state stand on the House floor and call out his own Party for demeaning him.
Remember that? Sure you don’t
So you can take your partisan ignorance elsewhere
As Mick told you; quit. If you are an officer resign your commission. If you are an NCO, take your lumps and quit
Step up to the plate and do something besides acting like a big baby and chronic whiner
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
10:43 pm
Bro: I tried to open your link but the “cookies” were so aggressive that I had to back off. I think this youtube video is about the same guy.
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
10:43 pm
I really miss that man too.
Unbelievable. No wonder his raging ODS is so advanced.
But it does explain everything.
Obambarrassment
August 15th, 2012
10:43 pm
Thulsa,
I saw the end of that game. Great stuff. I thought Mexiico was unstoppable in CONCACAF. Guess not.
It was a friendly though, wasn’t it?
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
10:44 pm
“Just pay no attention to them drought setbacks.”
Droughts and changing weather patterns having been going on for at least a couple a billion years. No reason dynamic weather patterns would all of a sudden become static.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:45 pm
w should be there everyday .
Just stay out of politics.
Keep hiding with cheney is best thing to do.
Ben
August 15th, 2012
10:46 pm
Is it moral to create a culture of lifelong dependency, like the story of that fake girl that Obama put out, was it Julie? Her whole life was all about depending on various government programs. Is that moral? Does that help raise our society? I say not.
But lifelong dependency is the moral that the left pushes.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
10:46 pm
Hi, Little Davy Crybaby. I knew you couldn’t stay away from Jay’s blog. Jay’s gone to bed now, so it’s just you and me. Like I said before, Kyle can’t help you here.
Goody Three Shoes
August 15th, 2012
10:46 pm
JKL2
I think there were two Marines or ex Marines on here earlier.
They will be glad to know you demeaned them.
I’m sure they will say thank you.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
10:46 pm
Obamabarrassment,
I’m pissed off that I missed it. I had no idea they were even playing so soon after the Olympics. We’ve had no problem beating them here or on neutral ground but due partly to the elevation and partly to the crowd/home edge we never seemed to have a chance when we played em in Azteca. This is gigantic to me and it erases a kind of mental block we’ve had about playing them in Mexico. They gotta be pissed.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
10:47 pm
It was a friendly though, wasn’t it?
A game against Mexico is never friendly, but if you mean that nothing was a stake except bragging rights, then yeah.
Mick
August 15th, 2012
10:47 pm
So, these are people repubs want to protect from higher taxes? More shame-
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/rich-kids-instagram-overserved-oversharing-141657288.html
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:48 pm
No wonder jk has a horrible attitude.
He misses w.
Aw.
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
10:48 pm
Did Criberius show up?
He was agitated like a baby with diaper rash over at Kyle’s earlier today.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
10:48 pm
“Does that help raise our society?”
No. But it do help raise loyal, dependent voters that you can hold power and sway, and control over.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:49 pm
jamvet- 2, once again, where do you come up with all of these goofball stories?
once again proving to the left that the truth hurts: http://blog.heritage.org/2011/01/16/obamas-anti-drilling-policies-costing-federal-government-billions-in-lost-revenue/
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:49 pm
Saw the goaltender on CNN.
He said they threw stuff at him and shined lasers in his eyes but he kept focus.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:50 pm
ESPN not cnn.
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
10:50 pm
Sooth
I’m having issues getting your link to open.
That house/project is done by Mike Strizki up in New Jersey. From his site, there’s links to different hydrogen projects. His project caught my interest because he’s using solar to generate the power to generate his hydrogen. He’s using the hydrogen to cook, generate electricity, and even power his car. I stumbled onto that site years ago and saved it as a favorite. I visit it every now and then to see what’s been updated.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:51 pm
getalife- What is your major malfunction?
Your ability to comprehend or tell the truth.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
10:51 pm
“Did Criberius show up?”
Oh, he’s a Jay junky. He’s just a funky as before. Only he’s got a new name.
JustAskin
August 15th, 2012
10:51 pm
Ben…in case you missed it, lifelong dependency is a myth. I believe during the Clinton administration, the guidelines of welfare were redefined. Now I’m sure once you “Google” this, you will come back and state that it was made possible because of a “Republican” Congress, but even so…welfare is not a lifelong dependency program. So perhaps you need to re-educate yourself.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:52 pm
I don’t buy any of the crap jk is spewing.
Just another blind partisan con that loves to attack our President after a collapse.
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
10:52 pm
Monsanto has developed the perfect solution to their drought resistant corn problem. They call it water. Now they have moved on to the next problem–a low cost nearby supply. Unfortunately, frackers need that water and are refusing to share. They claim that low-cost domestic sources of oil are more important than an abundance of corn or water for other uses.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:53 pm
jk,
I have no party or ideology so why would I lie like you con
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
10:54 pm
“I saw the end of that game. Great stuff. I thought Mexiico was unstoppable in CONCACAF.”
Somewhere in Guatemala friends of Doomy are smiling.
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
10:54 pm
Soothsayer
Is he a “junkie” or a groupie?
maybe both
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
10:54 pm
Bro: that link I provided is the youtube about Strizki. You’ll love it!
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:55 pm
Cryberious snitched me out to Kyle.
He cried to mommy.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:55 pm
mick- **An American president becomes anti-American when he or she does not respect the people for whom he or she is president.** And your evidence of that is???
Really had to look long and hard to find an example (BWHahahahahahahaha)
http://www.akin.org/updates/obama-imposes-agenda-through-immigration-mandate
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
August 15th, 2012
10:56 pm
Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette
August 15th, 2012
3:26 pm
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable … The other, of course, involves orcs.
****************************************
What? No Catcher in the Rye? Mitt Romney sure sounds like a whiny teenager these days.
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
10:56 pm
JKL2
Can you back up your link with something directly from Chevron or any of the other oil companies?
Heritage isn’t exactly the most unbiased source. What they are saying could be true, but the horse’s mouth would be much better, don’t you think?
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
10:57 pm
“Is he a “junkie” or a groupie?
maybe both”
He thinks I don’t know who he is. But after month after month of his putrid posts, his “signature” is just as recognizable as a photograph.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
10:58 pm
jk,
Got the Latino vote.
Both parties agree on that one.
DG
August 15th, 2012
10:58 pm
You know… understanding his love for Ayn Rand, Paul Ryan does seem to be very “foreign”
/sarcasmoff
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:59 pm
taxpayer- I voted for the right person, JKL2. You’re just working for the wrong one
WTF??? Are you saying obama is schizophrantic? I know he’s a nutball but even I wouldn’t go that far.
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
10:59 pm
Soothsayer
You can easily tell his hate is in reality envy. He goes on those rants and even Kyle has to tell him to let it go.
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
10:59 pm
Sooth
I just got it to play. Quite interesting indeed. The site has videos on it, but the only one I’ve watched is about the Hydra system.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
10:59 pm
Cryberious snitched me out to Kyle.
Yes, he did.
Funny thing — right after you were red carded, he did the exact same thing. He addressed someone else without using their blog name.
Kyle wasn’t there and no one emailed him , so it remains to be seen if he suffers the same fate as you.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:01 pm
What’s most amazing is that after his foot-stomping, jumping-up-and-down hissy fit he pitched over at Kyle’s, he has the gall to post over here under an assumed name.
That’s what I call chutzpah!
He’s churning inside right now because he is dying to respond to my posts, but by doing so, he will reveal who he is just like he did the other night.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:01 pm
taxpayer- You don’t have to put up with him for another minute. Walk away from it. Show us what you’re made of.
I’m not a quitter like you. Sleep safe tonight knowing I’m protecting your right to be an idiot.
Mick
August 15th, 2012
11:01 pm
jkl2
I guess reagan was anti-american when he granted amnesty to millions-
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128303672
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
11:02 pm
Kamchak
I say no. After he threatened to sue the world, I think he has carte blanche over there. Hopefully not, but he is allowed to push it more than anyone else.
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
11:03 pm
You are protecting him in North Ga?
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:05 pm
goody- Step up to the plate and do something besides acting like a big baby and chronic whiner
I’m not going to become a Democrat no matter how much you try…
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
11:05 pm
Dave became silent
hmmmmmmmmmmm
ODD OWL
August 15th, 2012
11:05 pm
“BREAKING NEWS”
Senate Harry Reid knew what he was talking about when he said that Gov. Mittens Romney didn’t pay any FEDERAL INCOME TAXES for the last 10 years… Apparently Ann and Mittens Romney was busted by the IRS and charged with willful tax evasion… But there is a catch… The rich and elite millionaires and billionaires have finagled the IRS into setting up a special amnesty program for them, so they can plead guilty to a felony tax evasion charge and receive a get out of jail free card and have their criminal record wiped clean… I guess Wesley Snipes wasn’t wealthy enough to qualify for this tax evasion amnesty program… It must be good being wealthy…
fair and balanced
August 15th, 2012
11:06 pm
From Rand’s final public speech, “Sanction of the Victims,” delivered November 21, 1981:
“”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"In conclusion, let me touch briefly on another question often asked me: What do I think of President Reagan? The best answer to give would be: But I don’t think of him—and the more I see, the less I think. I did not vote for him (or for anyone else) and events seem to justify me. The appalling disgrace of his administration is his connection with the so-called “Moral Majority” and sundry other TV religionists, who are struggling—apparently with his approval—to take us back to the Middle Ages, via the unconstitutional union of religion and politics.
Observe Reagan’s futile attempts to arouse the country by some sort of inspirational appeal. He is right in thinking that the country needs an inspirational element. But he will not find it in the God-Family-Tradition swamp”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
From Ryan’s idol, Ayn Rand about Saint Ronald the Great.
Goody Three Steps
August 15th, 2012
11:06 pm
Could careless what you are or who you become
Growing up would be great, however that doesn’t impact me.
So keep on with your constant whining and crying. Just you being you
Mick
August 15th, 2012
11:07 pm
jkl2
Well? Reagan? Try to get off the one dimension there’s a lot to learn…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
11:07 pm
Up Up and Away
I think it depends on if Kyle wades through all those posts.
I submit again, Kyle is a principled guy and I believe he was just as upset with Dave R. in the set to with Sooth as he was with Sooth.
The difference being — he didn’t send Dave R packing.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:07 pm
Kam,
I think I will go back and play the rules.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:07 pm
goody- I think there were two Marines or ex Marines on here earlier. They will be glad to know you demeaned them.
Nothing but respect for them. Unlike 98% of you obama lovers, they had the balls to enlist.
please ramble on…
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
11:09 pm
Kamchak
I agree with you except in Dave’s case. Hopefully you are correct.
Billybob
August 15th, 2012
11:11 pm
liberals claiming the moral authority is laughable…..people actually hear what your radical ilk are saying and want your radical liberal leftist believe and want to force upon the american people…..like say obamacare which was forced upon the people through bribery, complete and utter lies and legislative manipulation the likes this country has NEVER SEEN…..you are in fantasyland bookman…..you will awake on nov 7th to reality…..you and the radicals that you support in fundamentally changing this country are on the way out……ahoy, iceberg…..waht did obama mean by fundamental transformation jay? almost four years in and you can’t define that and you define morality……this was easy and you look silly
Goody Three Shows
August 15th, 2012
11:11 pm
JKL: Well you sure know how to show them respect.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:20 pm
goody three shoes- Wasn’t the smartest thing to do, but it was ballsy
Marines aren’t known for their intelligence.
Don’t look for me on facebook because I’m not there.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
11:14 pm
getalife
Take your lumps and serve your suspension. Being a douchebag just to get back on is beneath you.
Just my $0.02
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
11:14 pm
getalife,
Hopefully Kyle will let you back on. I’ll vouch for you and ask that you be let back on if he has a permaban on you. Hopefully its just a 1 or 2 day suspension though.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:16 pm
I called him out to make sure it was him.
The only one running that blog will be Kyle.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
11:16 pm
getalife do add flavor to any blog he do.
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
11:16 pm
ODD OWL
I scratched my head trying to figure where that came from, but I saw the article ran by Slate.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/07/17/romney_s_tax_returns_is_the_2009_swiss_bank_account_amnesty_what_he_doesn_t_want_us_to_see_.html
It sounds both far fetched and plausible at the same time. If that becomes the rumble in the streets over the next few weeks, that may deal a serious blow to someone’s campaign. Either the Democrats will get labeled as bloodthirsty, or the GOP will be labeled as tax cheats. That would, indeed, be a very embarrassing thing to have released to the voting public. There’s not much time for the GOP to nominate another candidate and put any type of campaign together before November.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:17 pm
getalife- Just another blind partisan con that loves to attack our President after a collapse.
Would love to follow the man but that would entail him coming up with some kind of plan. We both know that is never going to happen.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:18 pm
getalife- I have no party or ideology so why would I lie like you con
Yet another lie. Why can’t you tell the truth?
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
11:19 pm
2, you actually link to some other idiot on some other blog????
As verifiable evidence???
You are going down the toilet quicker than the tidy bowl man…
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
11:19 pm
getalife
If I may add my $.01 (budget cuts are hurting a brother), I’d let things die down. No need to do anything crazy or stupid. Just let things go. Although I scratch my head at some of your posts, I know you’re a decent guy. Hell, I think most of us know that.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:19 pm
So let me get this straight: Kyle banned getalife, too? I’ve been away a few days. What happened?
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:19 pm
doomy.
He said a week but I will not use an ip spoofer.
That was hilarious today.
Billybob
August 15th, 2012
11:19 pm
liberal democrat words and actions and beliefs are destroying the dem party and honest democrats out ther will never vote for this clown again…..just like the independents who left him in 2010…..you know, the last election that your radical ilk pretend didn’t even happen……and you know what jay, things have gotten worse and your ilk thinks these same voters will do a 180 and vote for the democrats in nov……i’ll check on you and see how you feel after the radical leftists riots have stopped burning this fall…..america’s eyes will be opened and your democrat leader’s ideology of division, hate, race-baiting, and class warfare will be sent back to the minor leagues…maybe chavez in venezuela needs a community organizer down there….
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
11:21 pm
getalife
End of next week, you will be back giving them hell.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:21 pm
Kam,
No dbag.
I will play nice and by the rules.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:22 pm
up up and away- Can you back up your link with something directly from Chevron or any of the other oil companies?
Google is your friend. pick one you like, there are hundreds of stories and millions of links out there.
JustAskin...Cause-I-Don'tGet-It
August 15th, 2012
11:22 pm
@Billybob
August 15th, 2012
11:11 pm
So I just really don’t understand…you so-called conservatives complain about having to foot the bill for the never do well of society, yet when a bill is introduced to force everyone to provide their own insurance, you still b*tch. I really just don’t understand. Can you please explain to me what you have against people being responsible for their health care?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
11:22 pm
Sooth
getalife was given a one week suspension for addressing another blogger by using another name other than the one he was using.
Rule #4 Anyone who refers to another commenter by anything other than the handle the latter uses will be subject to a ban of at least one week. This may sound like an extraordinary measure, but it is the source of many commenter fights. A shortened version of the handle may be acceptable, but only if there is no obvious intent to insult. As I will be the sole judge of that intent, I recommend you err on the side of not being too cute. The ban will also be applied to anyone who refers to commenters by previous handles they used.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:22 pm
Billybob: I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Heck, when Romney’s elected, your boy Ryan will be able to cure all those ills that keep you up nights. Everything’s gonna be alright.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:24 pm
Sooth,
I said don’t let dave r run that blog and got banned for a week.
No big deal.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:25 pm
Kam: I don’t need to know the details, but I have noticed that Kyle’s enforcement of that rule is somewhat slanted toward the “righties” there and against everyone else.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:26 pm
jk,
Plan for what exactly?
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:27 pm
getalife- Got the Latino vote. Both parties agree on that one.
Screw what the public thinks or if it’s any good for the country, obama needs some votes!
Good thing he said he was powerless to do anything last year.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
11:28 pm
getalife,
If I may add my IOU(cons are really hurting in the Obama economy)then I would just not sweat it and come back in a week. But I think I would really just try it in a few days. You’ll probably be back by the weekend. You may be a lib but I still enjoy reading your posts. Just trying to keep us cons honest I suppose. Besides if you are gone then who the hell am I going to razz in regards to LSwho football? That would leave Debbiedoright only.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:29 pm
“I said don’t let d*** r run that blog and got banned for a week.
No big deal.”
See, getalife, that is a big deal!
The reason being that D______ R doesn’t want anyone using that moniker. That’s what the whole “lawsuit” thing was about.
I’m surprised you didn’t know that. It’s verboten.
Mainly because D_______ R is Kyle’s own personal “t*tty baby.”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
11:29 pm
Sooth
I have broken that rule once or twice and suffered no ill affects.
But I won’t do it again.
Peter
August 15th, 2012
11:30 pm
hey taxpayer. This statement…….
Unfortunately, frackers need that water and are refusing to share. They claim that low-cost domestic sources of oil are more important than an abundance of corn or water for other uses.
Perhaps you don’t know about the Canadian company that doesn’t use water to frack……. GSFVF is the symbol.
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
11:30 pm
Can you please explain to me what you have against people being responsible for their health care?
He probably doesn’t have any idea of what he’s actually b*tching about other than it’s something that Democrats want to do or said should be done. That’s all some people need nowadays to go off on some kind of spastic tirade.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
11:31 pm
“Kam: I don’t need to know the details, but I have noticed that Kyle’s enforcement of that rule is somewhat slanted toward the “righties” there and against everyone else.”
Sooth,
Its a 2 way street. On this blog cons have felt that Jay- fairly or unfairly, has singled out cons far more than liberals.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:31 pm
mick I guess reagan was anti-american when he granted amnesty to millions-
Wrong again. Reagan signed a bill. obama just forced some more crap down our throats with a mandate, circumventing congress.
Hsi hero Hugo Chavez will be so proud. It’s a shame we can’t be more like Venezuela…
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:32 pm
Bro,
I go over there to spar with some old con friends at Luckovich’s blog.
Kyle will probably do something with dave before I go back.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:33 pm
“Its a 2 way street. On this blog cons have felt that Jay- fairly or unfairly, has singled out cons far more than liberals.”
Thulsa: to some extent I agree with that assessment. However, in my experience, those who have been banned from Jay’s blog have ignored warning after warning or wasted everyone’s time posting mindless BS all day without any substance.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:34 pm
Sooth,
What lawsuit?
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
11:36 pm
getalife
Kyle strikes me as a level headed guy. Just do what you do best, but play within the rules. That’s my best advice. I didn’t bother to go over there in search of what was said. Whatever Kyle decides to do with him is up to Kyle. As the old saying goes, “character is what you do when nobody’s watching.”
Catch y’all later….
Mick
August 15th, 2012
11:37 pm
jkl2
Weak, very weak…you’re stuck in neutral, don’t plan on arriving anywhere too soon…
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:37 pm
goody- JKL: Well you sure know how to show them respect
No worries. They know exactly what I’m talking about. One team, one fight doesn’t mean we have to lose our sense of humor.
Guess you would have to serve your country to understand that…
CJ
August 15th, 2012
11:38 pm
So people should produce and achieve. Ok But little rich boy cant possibly speak for someone who actually HAD TO WORK just to put food on the table or a roof over his head and have to bear the brunt of whatever the rich person decides should happen to him. A person could work all his life…and not even come up to what Ryan was BORN INTO. Thats why little rich boy should be careful what he supports. Maybe the Lord has humbling in mind for him. It might save his soul.
Peter
August 15th, 2012
11:38 pm
JKL2 ……..Perhaps the bigger picture about the amnesty program is those who are getting it, will now be forced to pay US taxes thus the treasury collects more ?
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:39 pm
Bro,
No problem.
CJ
August 15th, 2012
11:39 pm
Put a mustache on her and cut her hair and she looks just like Hitler. Her philosophy matches his also. And Ryan admires this athiest?
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:42 pm
getalife- Plan for what exactly?
Anything. Leaders have plans, obama has tee times and fundraisers.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:43 pm
Sooth,
Did he really file a lawsuit for that?
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:44 pm
jk,
If robme told you he would seize your assets, would you vote for him?
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:45 pm
soothsayer- wasted everyone’s time posting mindless BS all day without any substance.
Not true. getalife is still here…
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
11:45 pm
Cj,
The wealth envy and the hatefulness you guys have of people who were maybe born into a little bit better circumstance never ceases to amaze me. Some of ya’ll need to get a grip with all that hatin and BS crap like “little rich boy”. Geez.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:46 pm
Is that IRS amnesty for real?
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:46 pm
“What lawsuit?”
getalife: on the particular night in question (the most fun I’ve ever had on a blog) I referred to the poster you referred to as “Little D____ Crybaby.”
Well, that brought all kinds of threats of lawsuits (about what I have no idea). I’m not sure if he was planning an action under breach of contract or negligence or what legal theory.
“I had a chance to avoid it, etc.”
Apparently, it was enough to get Kyle sweating, so Kyle “scrubbed” the blog (i.e. removed all of my posts) and banned me (forever, I presume).
Kyle then forthwith drafted his pronunciamento, i.e., “new rules” which are still in effect.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:48 pm
getalife- If robme told you he would seize your assets, would you vote for him?
WTF??? Is it time for some more meds?
Did Harry Reid’s friend call and tell you that was his plan? You would know it’s true, because anonymous people on the telephone never lie.
G Mare
August 15th, 2012
11:50 pm
Wow! It has been a day here!! On topic, I think, I read Rand & Sussan (sp?) lo those many years ago. Outgrew both of them. Rand made some sense when I was a teenager (over 50 years ago) & VALLEY of the DOLLS was titillating in the 60s. I truly hope we have moved on from both, but given some of the posts here, perhaps that is a vain hope? Again, great column, Jay. Too bad the comments devolved so drastically.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:50 pm
“Did he really file a lawsuit for that?”
No. WTF kind of a lawsuit is he going to file? I mean it’s total stupidity. You, me, even Little D___ Crybaby blog here of your own volition. If you’re not happy, leave.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:50 pm
mick- Weak, very weak…you’re stuck in neutral, don’t plan on arriving anywhere too soon…
I’m not going to become a Democrat no matter what you think. Give it up.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:54 pm
Peter- Perhaps the bigger picture about the amnesty program is those who are getting it, will now be forced to pay US taxes thus the treasury collects more ?
How about getting rid of achor babies since we’re the only country in the world that has that law. It was put in so slaves could become citizens. Last I checked, we haven’t had any slaves for quite some time now.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:54 pm
Sooth,
Wow, no wonder he banned me.
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
11:55 pm
I’m not a quitter like you. Sleep safe tonight knowing I’m protecting your right to be an idiot.
You are indeed the quitter, JKL2. Further, you are doing nothing but protecting your own selfish interests. Sleep well under that sheet of yours.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
11:56 pm
No. WTF kind of a lawsuit is he going to file?
There is a no stalking clause in the AJC visitors agreement, but I don’t see how that would enter into any kind of lawsuit filed against another individual here.
Perhaps he could file a suit against the AJC for allowing stalking to occur, but I would call that a fool’s errand. I mean really — trying to pit resources against Cox enterprises?
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
11:57 pm
Peter,
I hope you are not claiming that none of the domestic drillers are in need of water for their fracking operations because that would be so wrong.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:57 pm
jk,
I think you would.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:57 pm
“Wow, no wonder he banned me.”
That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you. You walked right into a hornet’s nest. At least on Kyle’s blog.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:59 pm
taxpayer- You are indeed the quitter
No, I’m not like you. (thank God)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 16th, 2012
12:00 am
Wow, no wonder he banned me.
He banned you ’cause Dave R emailed Kyle and tattled, otherwise Kyle never would’ve seen your post out of 700 or so other ones.
Soothsayer
August 16th, 2012
12:01 am
I’m out, good night all. BTW, be on the lookout for Obambarrassment. Or his next persona.
Regardless, I don’t have any trouble spotting him.
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:02 am
Sooth,
I remember him saying his job title and who he was so I think he is just being a bully.
TaxPayer
August 16th, 2012
12:02 am
I am not like you, JKL2. You can thank God for that if you wish. Do you pull that crap in church too or are you just as anonymous there with your words. Quitter.
JKL2
August 16th, 2012
12:03 am
geatlife- I think you would
Yes, I will protect your right to remain an idiot too. Sleep well tonight, and you can thank me later.
Soothsayer
August 16th, 2012
12:03 am
“I remember him saying his job title and who he was so I think he is just being a bully.”
That’s what I’ve been saying: he used to brag about it all the time.
This time I’m really out.
JKL2
August 16th, 2012
12:05 am
taxpayer- Quitter
out of curiousity, what?
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:06 am
Kam,
Can we say that name here?
He might snitch us out.
That is taking blogging way too seriously.
Reality
August 16th, 2012
12:07 am
You say anything against O’bama policy you’re a racest. You point out his socialist leanings and you’re Joseph McCarthy. And so it goes.
TaxPayer
August 16th, 2012
12:09 am
JKL2, quit pretending to be protecting anything other than you own selfish interests. You’re in your job for the money. Maybe you’ll get you other wish and lose that too since that is what the Ryan budget calls for.
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:10 am
jk,
Thanks for that but I am not scared and can take care of myself.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 16th, 2012
12:13 am
getalife
I don’t see why not. There’s over three years worth of archives with his name all over them, for chrissakes.
Kyle’s rules don’t apply here.
When you outed Dave, he went crying to Jay, but Jay was having none of it.
He said essentially the same thing you did — Dave provided enough information so that anyone could find him.Jay wouldn’t back him and that was when he started to lose it. It was only a matter of time til he did the blogocide.
The most hilarious thing about the incident was the youtube videos you found.
JKL2
August 16th, 2012
12:16 am
taxpayer- JKL2, quit pretending to be protecting anything other than you own selfish interests. You’re in your job for the money. Maybe you’ll get you other wish and lose that too since that is what the Ryan budget calls for.
No, partially true, and you’re completely clueless once again. Democrats are the ones trying to destroy the military budget.
Hate to break it to you, but that big “L” on your forehead doesn’t stand for leftist.
TaxPayer
August 16th, 2012
12:16 am
The most hilarious thing about the incident was the youtube videos you found.
I remember Dave outing himself but I missed the videos. I miss all the fun stuff.
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:18 am
Kam,
I forgot about that.
That was hilarious.
Yes, he bragged about it so I googled and found that video of his nemesis.
I remember him freaking out but he outed himself.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 16th, 2012
12:21 am
TaxPayer
Videos of a written message penned by some upset constituents with a Journey song in the background.
They’re still on youtube and with a little diligence, you can find them.
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:23 am
jk,
They just passed another 642 billion to add to the trillions wasted on defense.
They should do another audit.
TaxPayer
August 16th, 2012
12:23 am
JKL2,
You are, as usual, wrong. Bush sent soldiers off to not only fight an unfounded war against a non-existent terrorist threat, he sent soldiers off to die in an unfunded war as well. And to add insult to injuries, Republicans want to cut the separate line item, 245 billion on the 2010 budget, that goes to federal retirees and veteran’s benefits while increasing funding to the DoD for the military industrial complex. So, unless you’re some sort of cyborg, JKL2, the Republican budget will be your loss once you retire from protecting your self interest, Loser. Wear your “L” proudly. You earned it.
Peter
August 16th, 2012
12:24 am
I hope you are not claiming that none of the domestic drillers are in need of water for their fracking operations because that would be so wrong.
No I never ever said that TaxPayer.
I only stated there as always is new technology….. It just so happens this is safer for the environment, and actually works to produce more.
Someone is going to buy out this company, especially since they will be fracking in places like the middle east that is missing the water supply.
Also now we have a drought in the areas they want to frack, this seems like the way top go.
Imagine that fracking and safe for the environment ….what a concept !
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:25 am
Tax,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ok28SureX4
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:27 am
Ooops I did it again.
Don’t sue me bro.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 16th, 2012
12:29 am
Ooops I did it again.
Are you Britney Spears?
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:40 am
Kam,
Don’t out me or…………
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:41 am
There are two of them Tax.
ken
August 16th, 2012
12:50 am
Who is John Gault ?
ken
August 16th, 2012
1:03 am
Jay, why are you worried about Ann Rand but not worried about Rev Wright ????????????
Brian
August 16th, 2012
1:11 am
I have a couple questions for all of you: What is morality? And why does man even need morality?
Notice I mean morality qua morality, not any specific type of morality, but morality as such.
Z
August 16th, 2012
2:49 am
A Republican God in their eyes, President Reagan, was greatly dislike by Ayn Rand.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 16th, 2012
5:28 am
Z – are you kidding – if Reagan was alive today, the Tea Partiers would HATE him! he worked with the Dems, he increased debt, increased the size of government, granted amnesty to illegal immigrants … hell, he WAS one of the “Hollywood Elites” …
yeah, they love to romanticize who he was, but they would have HATED what he did.
Mary Elizabeth
August 16th, 2012
5:37 am
One of the points of my sharing the story of my great, great uncle, in which he was quoted as having said, “Why should I want to live if everyone else is starving?” was to demonstrate that the current American value, and consciousness, of inordinate self-interest has not always been dominant within the American psyche. It has emerged as dominant only within the past 45 years. There is a reason for this. This shift in values, toward more selfishness, has been created by deliberate design.
My great, great uncle was born in the 1800s. His words, above, were stated in WWI. After a long and benevolent life, he died in 1952. (His son, my cousin, moved to Chicago from the South, and became an editor for a major national book publishing company.) I remember the communal values of men and women such as my father and mother who, during WWII and the years immediately thereafter, desired to serve others with their lives, as well as to serve the needs of their immediate families. I remember the altruism of young Civil Rights workers during the 1960s who wished to serve others with their lives. The Peace Corps was established during the 1960s, within the Kennedy administration, and its mission was given vitality through the commitment to its purposes by young and old, alike. The Peace Corps was another example of American altruism which was dominant in the American psyche through the 1960s.
It has only been since the mid-1970s – when ALEC was formed, and those ultraconservatives, such as the Koch Brothers among others, who financially contributed to that organization and who wanted to shift this nation’s consciousness, stealthily, toward a more Libertarian consciousness – has the government been “pitched” as “the enemy” of its citizens, and virtue has been equated with inordinate self-interest.
In my opinion, this turn has created an American citizen, and an American consciousness, that are lacking in wisdom and which perpetuate an adolescent psychology in its citizens, well into their old age. Whatever else George W. Bush possessed as president, one would be hard pressed to consider him, or his administration’s choices for the most part, wise. It is through seeing a commonality with all people that we grow psychologically into full adulthood, and that we reach some degree of wisdom, both as individuals and as a nation.
This nation faces a monumental choice in November in terms of its future character. And, as Shakespeare penned more eloquently than I, character will determine destiny, both for individuals and for our nation. (”It is not in the stars to hold our destiny but in ourselves.”) Moral as Romney and Ryan may be within their own families, one can literally look into their eyes and see limitations of vision. Theirs is a look that does not include all men and women. Whatever they may say, in my opinion, they have forfeited some degree of understanding of the common humanity among all people, through embracing the vision of Ayn Rand’s more limited, capitalistic, self-oriented worldview. (I am supportive of capitalism as an economic engine, but I believe capitalism should exist within a higher humane consciousness of the citizens’ understanding and will.)
Government is not the enemy of the people. Government, chosen by the people, best operates as the servant of the people. Thomas Jefferson said it best in the Declaration of Independence:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”
stands for decibels
August 16th, 2012
6:03 am
To make a long story short, he used to brag about his political position (which he was not re-elected to) in a certain county. Others — not me — were able to put 2 and 2 together a ascertain his true identity.
I missed that episode of As the Wingfield Turns, but thanks for the recap, Sooth. Hilarious stuff.
stands for decibels
August 16th, 2012
6:05 am
In my opinion, this turn has created an American citizen, and an American consciousness, that are lacking in wisdom and which perpetuate an adolescent psychology in its citizens, well into their old age.
Yep.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 16th, 2012
6:20 am
Good morning all y’all…a little light enterainment for this morning…
http://icanhas.cheezburger.com/news?OnoBetaOptInRedirect=true
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 16th, 2012
6:27 am
@5:37
Thou shall not steal nor murder……….even by majority vote.
Jimbo
August 16th, 2012
6:28 am
My only question is, did Ryan adopt his philosophy to justify a career catering to wealthy campaign contributors or did he rise up because rich campaign contributors recognized that his philosophy served their purposes. One thing’s for sure, he is where he is because he serves the monied class’s interests. Fiscal conservative my ass.
nelson
August 16th, 2012
6:32 am
There are 934 comments on here so go right to mine and get the real scoop. The White House Campaign bus has just left the White House with “home brew” on it. It has gone too far, I know the President wants to make sure he reaches the masses of people the poor, rich, immigrants and everyone. Now he is pandering to homebrewers, that has to cover everybody. Actually, there could be a voter out there that he may have missed, the last surviving participant in the Hatfield and McCoy feud. Now if he[Hatfield] finds out that there is home brew on board, The President will have his vote.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 16th, 2012
6:42 am
Thou shalt not covet another man’s wealth either.
SBinf
August 16th, 2012
6:45 am
Rand and Ryan both have something in common, they had no problem suckling off the government teat when it suits their needs. For Ryan, he got his as benefits after his father’s death. Rand, took public benefits at the end of her life.
Such credibility they have….NOT
Uncle Billy
August 16th, 2012
6:50 am
He sounds like “The Yellow Rose of Texas” (John Bell Hood) who caught hell in Tennessee. His army ceased to exist after the Battle of Nashville.
Jack
August 16th, 2012
7:18 am
Too many groups are depending on other individuals to pay their way. Bookman, can you spare a dime?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
7:28 am
My faith In humanity Is somewhat restored. I went looking for some examples of right-wing over-reaction to news that Obama is, in fact, home-brewing in the White House and…
didn’t find any. In fact, every news item I scanned seemed to treat this like the bit of foamy fluff that it is.
[golf clap]
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
7:30 am
Too many groups are depending on other individuals to pay their way.
ok, I’ll bite. What is the precise percentage of “parasites” to “producers” that you’ll find tolerable? (and you can define these two rather loathsome terms any way you like.)
And for extra credit, what’s the humane manner you’d choose to get to that figure?
dbm
August 16th, 2012
7:39 am
The appeal of Ayn Rand’s ideas is intellectual, not emotional.
The appeal of Ayn Rand’s novels is both intellectual and emotional. They wouldn’t be very good novels if that weren’t true.
No doubt there are some people who react positively to Ayn Rand for non-intellectual reasons. She was very much aware that some people could react positively to her work for the wrong reasons. She once said she “learned to expect nothing from reviewers because of the so-called ‘favorable’ reviews, not the illiterate smears.”
dbm
August 16th, 2012
7:41 am
Comparing Ayn Rand to L. Ron Hubbard or Jacqueline Susann makes about as much sense as comparing Jay to Tammy Faye Bakker. Comparing Ayn Rand to Hitler makes about as much sense as comparing Jay to Eileen Wuornos.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
7:42 am
Oh dear. mild-mannered Dana Milbank has gone shrill.
Forgive me, but I’m not prepared to join this walk down Great Umbrage Street just yet. Yes, it’s ugly out there. But is this worse than four years ago, when Obama was accused by the GOP vice presidential nominee of “palling around with terrorists”? Or eight years ago, when Democratic nominee John Kerry was accused of falsifying his Vietnam War record?
What’s different this time is that the Democrats are employing the same harsh tactics that have been used against them for so long, with so much success. They have ceased their traditional response of assuming the fetal position when attacked, and Obama’s campaign is giving as good as it gets — and then some.
[...]
Stephanie Cutter, Obama’s deputy campaign manager, said the campaign had “no problem” with Biden’s chains claim and said Obama “probably agrees with Joe Biden’s sentiments.” She derided the Romney side’s “faux outrage” and called the Republicans “hypocritical.”
Eight years ago, Cutter was a staffer on the Kerry campaign when the candidate was undone by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth attacks on his war record. Cutter, like other Democrats, learned a hard truth back then: Umbrage doesn’t win elections. Ruthlessness does.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
7:45 am
And about the need for ruthlessness, I’ll quote the usually excellent John Cole, who tipped me off to Dana’s piece:
Bending over and being beaten up by bullies has done nothing. At long last, Democrats are growing a spine and fighting back.
Yes, it’s giving the “reasonable Republicans” who provide rhetorical cover for the lunatic Christianist and Randian fanatics fits, but hey- maybe it’s time to own what your party has become?
Paul
August 16th, 2012
7:47 am
Jack 7:18
“Too many groups are depending on other individuals to pay their way. ”
No kidding. Especially these people. They’re people, remember? Expecting the rest of us to pay their way.
“Study: Companies paid more to CEOs than in US tax”
“Twenty-six big U.S. companies paid their CEOs more last year than they paid the federal government in tax, according to a study released Thursday by a liberal-leaning think tank.
The study, by the Institute for Policy Studies, said the companies, including AT&T, Boeing and Citigroup, paid their CEOs an average of $20.4 million last year while paying little or no federal tax on ample profits, according to regulatory filings.
On average, the 26 companies generated net income of more than $1 billion in the U.S., the study said.”
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/08/16/4184754/study-companies-paid-more-to-ceos.html#storylink=misearch
Paul
August 16th, 2012
7:48 am
Hey Joseph!! Hey Steve ATL!!! Wake UP!!!! Look at that highlighted blue line of text in my previous post.
It’s a……….. SOURCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
7:51 am
“The more we release, the more we get attacked.”
“We’ve done what’s legally required, and so there’s going to be no more tax releases.”
http://www.5min.com/Video/Ann-Romney-No-More-Returns-Will-Be-Released-517443445
Please, Mitt–keep running your Aspiring First Lady out there in front of the TV cameras to do her Leona Helmsley impersonation. It’s a winner.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 16th, 2012
7:53 am
Good morning Paul
In a rather good mood, are we?
Paul
August 16th, 2012
7:56 am
Normal
Yeah. I’ve debated a bit, trying to harmonize my posts with how I think people ought to conduct themselves, but I figure a little preemptive ’show me your basis’ posting done in a ‘dig, dig, wink, wink’ tone is okay.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 16th, 2012
7:57 am
ooooooooo … I love it when Paul is full of P&V
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
7:57 am
Paul, you are covetous and in violation of those laws that some (almost certainly fictional) guy foisted upon a desert kingdom several thousand years ago.
Willis
August 16th, 2012
7:57 am
We need Ryan for what? To give us morality lessons? We need Romney for what? They are not leaders, they are destroyers.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
7:58 am
Paul always has points and views, UnU.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 16th, 2012
7:59 am
Paul,
Well, I’ve always thought you were the role model for decorum here, but I guess a little dig is deserved now and again…Like my generation often quoted in the ’60s…”If it feels good, do it.”
Just keep on being our inspiration… ;
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
7:59 am
We need Ryan for what?
The knackerer’s could whip up a dandy batch of glue, one imagines.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
8:00 am
WWPP?
Paul
August 16th, 2012
8:01 am
stands
I’m just following the five Mel Brooks dropped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TAtRCJIqnk#t=00m53s
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 16th, 2012
8:02 am
who would paul poke?
Paul
August 16th, 2012
8:03 am
Morning, USinUK!
Stands gotcha’ there, eh? In all fairness, you weren’t here for a certain blogger equating questions with views and points…. and answers…. and whatever else crossed the stream of consciousness.
Ol' Timer
August 16th, 2012
8:04 am
Great piece, Bookman!
Reminds me of a quote from John Kenneth Galbriath: “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
Selah.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 16th, 2012
8:05 am
hiya Pauly!! how’s Mrs. Paul?
Paul
August 16th, 2012
8:05 am
Normal
That’s a fine goal. Seriously, so many people begin each day as if they have no history, nothing to learn from what went before. It’s just, as I said, a good-natured dig (tone isn’t always evident in blog posts, I know) to say ‘hey guys, starting today, post what you will, but at least give us the source of your information or the basis for your conclusion, okay, please?.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 16th, 2012
8:05 am
Ol’ Timer – 8:04 – word.
Peter
August 16th, 2012
8:08 am
Romney will cut the UN-employment . HA HA H SURE….. Just look at the results we have from the GOP running the state.
No he won’t . he will cut taxes for the rich, and the piss on you economics will start again !
Paul
August 16th, 2012
8:08 am
USinUK
Almost over the cough. Thought it was gone and just as I thought that, BAM!, it went on and on. But at least I got her to the doctor on our trip before, as he put it, pneumonia developed. Tends to be a downer on a holiday.
From those FB pics you are having a right fine time of it, aren’t you? Looks like you work at an okay place!
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
8:10 am
I’m just following the five Mel Brooks dropped.
Gimme that REALLY old-time religion…
who would paul poke?
I’d say “That’s down to Mrs. Paul innit?” but that would be wrong.
Mick
August 16th, 2012
8:10 am
I think this is worth a repost – these are the offspring that repubs want to protect from any tax increases – go figure…
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/rich-kids-instagram-overserved-oversharing-141657288.html
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 16th, 2012
8:11 am
hey … did you guys know that August is National Peach Month???
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
8:11 am
Romney will cut the UN-employment . HA HA H SURE…
If his Gubernatorial record is any indication, he’ll do it by making vast numbers of Americans self-deport themselves to more hospitable countries.
Doggone/GA
August 16th, 2012
8:12 am
“Reminds me of a quote from John Kenneth Galbriath”
One of my favorites!
godless heathen
August 16th, 2012
8:14 am
Doug Wilder, the only Democrat that gets it?
“Without question they were appeals to race,” Wilder told CNN. “And if you don’t argue with that, then you understand that, then the next question is why? Why do you feel you need to do that? But the more important thing that I got out of this was Biden separated himself from what he accused the people of doing. As a matter of fact what he said is, they are going to do something to y’all, not to me, not us. So he was still involved with that separate America. And I’m sick and tired of being considered something other than an American.”
ProfFish
August 16th, 2012
8:14 am
I find it odd that in a morality tale, you would quote a rich white man who raped and impregnated his slaves. No self interest there, I’m sure. Sometimes giving to those with nothing requires a little extra effort.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 16th, 2012
8:14 am
Paul – I do work in an okay place, thank yew!
Man, I’m sorry about the cough – they really do take it out of you. Is she on amped-up antibiotics? tell her I said hiya!! and that some super spicy chicken will make her feel better (hot chillies make everything better) … you live in the best place for THAT
Paul
August 16th, 2012
8:19 am
USinUK
She’s off the antibiotics but refuses to return to the doctor. Thankfully, she loves hot and spicy food. That’s one great carry-over from her major surgery a few years’ back. As far as where we live… no need to eat the chilis for the heat. Just go outside and breath with your mouth open!
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
8:19 am
And I’m sick and tired of being considered something other than an American.”
I think we need to find Dougie a nice, loving shelter for abused Blue Dogs.
JKL2
August 16th, 2012
8:20 am
getalife- They should do another audit
Plenty of fraud, waste, and abuse to go around.
Why audit? Democrats care nothing about reducing spending. Get those evil rich ddudes to atart paying their “fair share”. That’s where it’s at.
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 16th, 2012
8:21 am
Just saw that Georgias UE rate went up again. How long until until the party faithful start blaming Obama?
RB from Gwinnett
August 16th, 2012
8:21 am
The DNC must be proud Jay. Any chance for a bonus for posting videos?
To bad Ryan hasnt learned the art of sitting in a racists church for 20 years and being raised by a Muslim in a US hating society without being influenced by them.
Thulsa Doom
August 16th, 2012
8:24 am
gonna put ya’ll back in chains…”
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USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 16th, 2012
8:24 am
“being raised by a Muslim in a US hating society ”
yay!!!
thanks for the morning giggle RG
Doggone/GA
August 16th, 2012
8:26 am
“to bad Ryan hasnt learned the art of sitting in a racists church for 20 years and being raised by a Muslim in a US hating society without being influenced by them”
Too bad you haven’t learned that lying is a sin
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
8:27 am
To bad Ryan hasnt learned the art of sitting in a racists church for 20 years and being raised by a Muslim in a US hating society without being influenced by them.
hee hee. I’d ask our Arby to define some of those terms just to watch him sputter and cry, but y’know–that sentence stands alone as an almost perfect example of online crankiness.
bravo!
Peter
August 16th, 2012
8:28 am
Butch Cassidy (I) ………What you really mean is the great GOP lie is ………they know how to create jobs….
jasper
August 16th, 2012
8:29 am
So Obama, Hillary and Charitable Joe meet today. Do you think Joe will just bow out or will they have to invent a calamity. He’s been a great life insurance policy for Barack so far, “don’t kill me or you’ll get him for president.” Given Joe’s onsetting dimentia, they could say he just went for a walk and never came back. And do you think Hillary will really rejuvenate the campaign, long term I mean. What has she ever done for the economy?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
8:31 am
Charitable Joe
oh, jasper?
Just how is it that you actually *know* that Joe is, or isn’t, “Charitable”?
Is it because his taxes are a matter of public record?
Is that information useful to you?
Just wondering.
godless heathen
August 16th, 2012
8:32 am
I think we need to find Dougie a nice, loving shelter for abused Blue Dogs
Not “articulate, bright, and clean” enough?
Thulsa Doom
August 16th, 2012
8:34 am
What you really mean is the great GOP lie is ………they know how to create jobs….
Peter,
Not quite. Saw a debate on this several weeks ago on C-Span I think it was. The last election go around in the states 23 governships changed hands- 15 went R and 8 went D. So how has unemployment gone in those states? In the 8 states taken over by Ds unemployment had dropped by about .9%. In the 23 R taken over by R governors the unemployment rate had dropped by about 1.30%. Nearly a 50% better result in the states taken over by Rs since the last election go around. Interesting and very telling stat.
JKL2
August 16th, 2012
8:35 am
Mary Elizabeth- Government, chosen by the people, best operates as the servant of the people.
It’s a shame obama and his federal cohorts have long forgotten that. If you don’t agree with him. it must mean you didn’t receive his message.
Hard to be a servant when you don’t listen to anyone.
bob
August 16th, 2012
8:36 am
Atlas Shrugged VS the Communist Manifesto, I’ll take Atlas Shrugged.
RB from Gwinnett
August 16th, 2012
8:37 am
How is it an illegal can get credit for serving in our military but my company gets fined for hiring them?
bob
August 16th, 2012
8:39 am
Peter, compare Bush’s unemployment record to Obama’s. Prior to pelosi taking over, Bush had 6 years under 6% so someone was creating more jobs then than now.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 16th, 2012
8:39 am
‘Atlas Shrugged VS the Communist Manifesto”
you guys are a laugh effing RIOT
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 16th, 2012
8:39 am
RB,
You really are pathetic, son…
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 16th, 2012
8:40 am
“How is it an illegal can get credit for serving in our military but my company gets fined for hiring them?”
because one contributes to the welfare and security of the company and the other contributes to your pocket.
GT
August 16th, 2012
8:40 am
Morality is the DNA of civilization.
It is the lack of it and then the denial and then the compromised press that finds the windfall of profit being on the side of immorality that is the recipe of the cake we eat now. It may have started in the back alleys but now it is invited to the table where it gets fatter and fatter using up all the space around the table. It got in our churches disguised as right wing religion, it got into our schools disguise at budget cutting, it got on our airways because like porn it sold. It got into Wall Street because it served the purpose of the politicians that needed the appearance of prosperity to be elected. Instead of paying off the cops we get rid of them, small government, compromised religion to justify our hates and fears, so they can’t interfere, compromise the press by making it a money makers instead of an institution of truth, compromise government with lobbies and superpacs. The mess we have now is a direct result of a country that has lost it way, then infecting a world that has all the human weaknesses we have. Nature would and will cure it, we can’t bail out the banks and Wall Street forever. You will find the truth has and will become a premium product searched for more in an Internet world than ever in a black and white world. All the lies to ourselves, the self serving skims, the power grabs, guns, money, will not hold back the truth, even the cause of our troubles will be force upon us with increasing pressure as we make our excuses and fool ourselves. .
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 16th, 2012
8:41 am
Little “b” bob need to take his big “B” Blinders off…
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
8:41 am
Not “articulate, bright, and clean” enough?
No, I just don’t want Doug to, as Bruce might put it, “end up like a dog that’s been beat too much, ’til he spends half his life just coverin’ up.”
LeeH1
August 16th, 2012
8:42 am
William Buckley said that Ayn Rand was the intellectual’s pornographer. After she died, Gary Jennings (Aztec, Raptor) took that crown. Now that he’s died, I don’t know who is the intellectual’s pornographer today.
Rand was neither a Nazi nor a Communist, but like both those societies, she believed in the “Strong Man” theory. This is the idea that a strong man (John Galt) will have all the answers and will lead others into truth, destroying all other opposition until final victory (the Triumph of Will) is fulfilled. Sorta like the people who followed Hitler and Stalin. That strong man must have devoted followers who will bow down and submit to the Strong Man’s rule. Silly and girlish hero worship in many ways, romantically pornographic in other bodice-ripping ways.
Thulsa Doom
August 16th, 2012
8:43 am
Just the facts please. Red right to work states outperforming blue states since the 2010 elections and newly red states outperforming. Just the facts ma’am.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/gop-states-saved-economy-in-2011/
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
8:43 am
Atlas Shrugged VS the Communist Manifesto, I’ll take Atlas Shrugged.
hmm. what’re we talking about, 1500 pages vs. 150 pages of mostly irritating propaganda? I’ll go with Karl, it’ll be over a lot sooner.
RB from Gwinnett
August 16th, 2012
8:43 am
Truth hurts doesn’t it Normal?
TaxPayer
August 16th, 2012
8:44 am
Atlas Shrugged VS the Communist Manifesto, I’ll take Atlas Shrugged.
I hear you can enjoy both by moving to Communist China. Why limit yourself.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 16th, 2012
8:45 am
Good Morning Bookmaniacs!
A little partisan political parody brought to you by some of the best of Broadway.
Warning to the right, the music is WONDERFUL but the lyrics will make your heads explode en masse.
House lights are dimming…..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/one-term-more-les-miserables-obama-parody_n_1783295.html
kayaker 71
August 16th, 2012
8:45 am
Unemployment up to 9.3% in Georgia. But we’ll just ignore that. There’s more important stories to discuss, like Hairless Joe’s gaffs and Ryan’s obsession with Ayn Rand. Face the issues, liberals. We are broke. Unemployment still over 8% for 42 straight months and growth at a magnificent 1.5%. Something is not working but dodging and ignoring the important issues is the only thing you have. Romney’s dog on top of the car, Sandra Flucks birth control pills and Bozo’s likability. That ought to get us out of this mess.
RB from Gwinnett
August 16th, 2012
8:46 am
USinUk. I don’t suppose you’d care to share any provisions in employment law for that would you?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 16th, 2012
8:47 am
RB from Gwinnett
August 16th, 2012
8:43 am
What? That you’re pathetic? It hurts me that you don’t see it, is all…
JKL2
August 16th, 2012
8:47 am
stands- ok, I’ll bite. What is the precise percentage of “parasites” to “producers” that you’ll find tolerable? (and you can define these two rather loathsome terms any way you like.)
Zero. Everybody pays because everybody plays.
TaxPayer
August 16th, 2012
8:49 am
Unemployment up to 9.3% in Georgia. But we’ll just ignore that.
You shouldn’t let your fellow Republican politicians off the hook so easy given that the national average is only 8.3%.
Doggone/GA
August 16th, 2012
8:49 am
” But we’ll just ignore that. There’s more important stories to discuss”
blogspot.com is ready when you are
Jim Carroll Internet Free Press
August 16th, 2012
8:49 am
JESUS WAS A PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL
Posted on August 15, 2012 by jcarroll
If Jesus were here today, he would put the Republicans 0n the same list with the Pharisees and Sadducees. Jesus would be for Social Security, he would be for Medicare, he would be for Obama Care, he would be for unemployment benefits, he would be for increasing minimum wages, he would be for food stamps, and he would be for the Five-Finger-Agenda-which you can read at the Internet Free Press.
Why Christians want to be republicans is beyond my range of my knowledge. Jesus said, “he had come that we might have life and have it more abundantly”. Republicans stand in the door to prevent it with flaming swords.
Mitt Romney chances of getting into Heaven are as good as a camel going through the eye of a needle. If he goes to Hell, he doesn’t have to worry– some good Morman will get baptize for him; and out of Hell he will come like Hitler did.
JKL2
August 16th, 2012
8:50 am
stands- Obama’s campaign is giving as good as it gets — and then some.
Anything to avoid talking about the issues…
TaxPayer
August 16th, 2012
8:51 am
Needles, in the sun-baked Mojave Desert, attained a dubious distinction you won’t find on the Chamber of Commerce website or in any brochures. The town on Monday set a world record for hottest rainfall: a remarkable 115 degrees Fahrenheit.
Toasty.
kayaker 71
August 16th, 2012
8:51 am
Taxpayer, 8:49,
“My fellow Republicans” are just as complicit in this as “your concerned Democrats”. But Bozo’s economic policies have done us no favors.
Thomas
August 16th, 2012
8:55 am
This blog/editorial was in the NY Times earlier in the day yesterday.
Good job Jay
Did the Braves win last Sunday?
By the way- Romney/Ryan well they are just awful people and should be castrated.
Local Jay local
Paul
August 16th, 2012
8:56 am
Granny Godzilla
Loved the music, loved the voices.
I was a bit distracted, though, but the bass drum beating in the background.
Then I realized it was all the heads exploding in the blogosphere – …..
kayaker 71
August 16th, 2012
8:57 am
Thomas, 8:55,
They should be WHAT?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
8:59 am
We are broke.
A business that could sell bonds that pay the closest thing to nothing and still be called “interest”–would you call that business “broke,” or “thriving,” vis a vis the rest of the marketplace, 71?
Paul
August 16th, 2012
8:59 am
Jim Carroll
Again, I’m completely baffled by how someone can make a relatively well-reasoned and supported argument – then completely blow it in the last paragraph by demonstrating complete ignorance of the subject matter.
JKL2
August 16th, 2012
9:00 am
godless- As a matter of fact what he said is, they are going to do something to y’all, not to me, not us
Well said. Democrats like to say how they are so tolerant but then force you into micro groups. Hard to be a melting pot when they insist on telling you how different you are.
gm
August 16th, 2012
9:00 am
Amazing how the left bigots attack Biden, did these retards look at their primary? Rick used the word chains and slavery during the campign, no morales Newt called the President of the United Food stamps, racist birthers running around and tax dodger Mitt never said a word.
USMC
August 16th, 2012
9:02 am
“Ayn Rand, Paul Ryan and the issue of morality”–JAY BOOKMAN
You mean: “Frank Marshall Davis, Barak Obama and the issue of morality”
The Communist. Frank Marshall Davis: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mentor
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/jamie-glazov/the-communist-frank-marshall-davis-the-untold-story-of-barack-obama%E2%80%99s-mentor/
gm
August 16th, 2012
9:02 am
Whats amazing how the women of the rep party can support a ticket with two men who voted against every women issue, what does this tell you about the mental state of the rep women?
dbm
August 16th, 2012
9:03 am
LeeH1
August 16th, 2012
8:42 am
Hitler and Stalin used force. John Galt did not.
That’s putting it mildly.
A novel needs an ideal hero.
John Daly
August 16th, 2012
9:05 am
@Normal Free – What is the difference between brown-nosing and butt-kissing?
Depth perception.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
August 16th, 2012
9:05 am
wow, while I do Loooove the smell the unhinged con in the morning,
there’s a bigger deal out there for you journalism types.
Please use your power and influence there at ajc to knock some
sense into the cons trying to hijack one of the best independent
student newspaper in the college world, the Red & Black,
or the Rude & Bleak as many alums refer to them
(from their snark edition)
USMC
August 16th, 2012
9:06 am
“Whats amazing how the women of the rep party can support a ticket with two men who voted against every women issue, what does this tell you about the mental state of the rep women?”–bm
Ahhh yes, it’s the Fictitious WAR ON WOMEN! LOL!
(The communist strategy of dividing the population…)
You and Caesar Obama are going to need more than that for the 2012 election, my friend! LOL!
Paul
August 16th, 2012
9:06 am
Y’know, gm, when you seek to show your political opponents are bigots and you refer to them as ‘retards’, well. it makes you sound like a…..
Fred ™
August 16th, 2012
9:07 am
kayaker 71
August 16th, 2012
8:45 am
Unemployment up to 9.3% in Georgia. But we’ll just ignore that.
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Of course you will since the Republicans have controlled the state and been stealing all they can steal for the last 12 years or so.
Let’s go fishing.
Fred ™
August 16th, 2012
9:09 am
Ya gotta love USMC, bless his little heart, anyone who doesn’t worship the drug addicts, Ayn Rand and Rush Limbaugh, is a communist.
Anyone who doesn’t walk lockstep with FOX propaganda is a Communist.
Like i told RB yesterday jarhead, you wouldn’t know a REAL communist if one came up and bit you in the ass. All you are is a walking puppet spouting FOX/Talk Radio soundbites.
USMC
August 16th, 2012
9:11 am
“Of course you will since the Republicans have controlled the state and been stealing all they can steal for the last 12 years or so.”
Yeah, its all RUSH LIMBAUGH’S fault! I think I will cancel my lifelong subscription to the Rush Laimbaugh Fan club. Where will I get my political beliefs now?? OMG! asshat! LOL!
RB from Gwinnett
August 16th, 2012
9:11 am
Gee, Normal, maybe you’d care to explain how Obama is the ony person on the planet who wasn’t influenced by all the shady characters in his past? Got anything meaningful to add to the conversation or do you just want to insult people because you have nothing?
JKL2
August 16th, 2012
9:12 am
RB- How is it an illegal can get credit for serving in our military but my company gets fined for hiring them?
Close but no cigar. You don’t have to be a citizen to be in the military, but you do have to be legal.
Peter
August 16th, 2012
9:13 am
Thulsa Doom . So are you saying the GOP Governors in Georgia are just behind the curve ?
GT
August 16th, 2012
9:13 am
The right uses the tricks to say nothing while they look like they are saying something. One of there tricks is to run a poll see what people don’t like about them and then accuse that same thing to the left as if that was their problem. Then the subject is muddled and the message is watered down. To accuse the left of bigotry is comical and to watch Rudy G launch into it as if it were a direct insult to the south is a new stradegy of misdirection. The mayor of New York mad at a comment insulting the south, you can’t make this stuff up.
TrishaDishaWarEagle
August 16th, 2012
9:13 am
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against… We’re after power and we mean it… There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be
much easier to deal with.”
Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged 1957, the seminal book of the 20th century
USMC
August 16th, 2012
9:14 am
I think Fred’s obesity is warping his brain. Or maybe it’s all of that hot air he regurgitates from hate talk radio!
Fred won’t ever get it because his fanatical Hate Talk radio heroes like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity tell him these absurdities. What a clown!
azazel
August 16th, 2012
9:16 am
what about william edward hickman—William Edward Hickman (1908 – October 19, 1928) was an American criminal responsible for the kidnapping, murder and dismemberment of Marion Parker, a 12-year-old girl. The Los Angeles Times referred to Hickman’s actions as “the most horrible crime of the 1920’s”.[1] n 1928, the writer Ayn Rand began planning a novel called The Little Street, whose hero, Danny Renahan, was to be based on “what Hickman suggested to [her].” The novel was never finished, but Rand wrote notes for it which were published after her death in the book Journals of Ayn Rand. Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be “A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me.”[3] Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand’s interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially since she several times referred to Hickman as a “Superman” (in the Nietzschean sense
TaxPayer
August 16th, 2012
9:17 am
“Today, Mitt Romney forced Paul Ryan to attack his own budget,” Obama campaign spokesman Danny Kanner said in a statement. “Congressman Ryan knows that the $716 billion in Medicare savings that he included in two of his own budgets do not cut a single guaranteed Medicare benefit. It’s a shame that someone picked for his ‘strong beliefs’ is now abandoning them just to help Mr. Romney score a political point.”
Well. There is that little point.
Tom
August 16th, 2012
9:19 am
Unfortunately, you – and many of the commenters – do not understand Ayn Rand or Objectivism at all. Paul Ryan is a conservative catholic, who has, on clear intellectual grounds, disregarded Ayn Rand’s philosophy. I would be so overwhelmingly pleased if a politician could actually run as an Objectivist — unfortunately, the society at large is not even remotely ready for that.
Here is some fact checking data for you:
Paul Ryan defends his positions on Altruism. Objectivism is an egoistic philosophy. Paul Ryan is a pragmatist. Objectivism holds that pragmatism is false and that man should act on principle. Paul Ryan is deeply and sincerely catholic. Ayn Rand was an atheist and Objectivism IS an atheistic philosophy – exhaustively.
For a better understanding of Objectivism, I recommend the Ayn Rand Institutes massive collection of writings: aynrand.org — start with the introduction: http://goo.gl/3gjaF
TaxPayer
August 16th, 2012
9:20 am
“President Obama is out of ideas,” Ryan said. “That is why his campaign is based on anger and division.”
That coming from the “Party of No! You Lie! I Object!” is what makes for the mostest memorable Kodak moments.
USMC
August 16th, 2012
9:20 am
“Anyone who doesn’t walk lockstep with FOX propaganda is a Communist.”
How about getting off of your TV and junk food diet and read a book sometime. You might learn something more than what your Talk Radio Heroes tell you to say.
The Communist
http://www.amazon.com/The-Communist-Paul-Kengor/dp/1451698097#reader_1451698097
Joe Hussein Mama
August 16th, 2012
9:21 am
F. Sinkiewicz — “While you looney tune lib ilks here worry about Ayn, you might want to think about life in the Soviet Union and eastern Europe during the cold war which is the ultimate goal of O’bozo for the USA.”
Watch out, Punkin. The black helicopters and white UN buses are coming to take your freeze-dried food and Krugerrands away from you.
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 16th, 2012
9:23 am
bob – “Bush had 6 years under 6% so someone was creating more jobs then than now.”
Yes,they were called derivatives, which gave us a hyper inflated housing and lending market. Since the end result was a global economic collapse, I can only asuime that you want to go back to those days so that we can officially destroy the economy for good this time.
Fred ™
August 16th, 2012
9:24 am
USMC
August 16th, 2012
9:20 am
“Anyone who doesn’t walk lockstep with FOX propaganda is a Communist.”
How about getting off of your TV and junk food diet and read a book sometime. You might learn something more than what your Talk Radio Heroes tell you to say.
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I taught myself to read when I was 3 Jackass and have read 10’s of thousands of books. I read Atlas Shrugged in the 8th grade. I was mindless then and thought it was great. When I grew up I saw it for the drug induced fantasy of an amped out meth ho that it was.
I have KNOWN Communists. Had to shoot a few, and interrogate others. Everyone that doesn’t walk lock step with your Fox news is not a Communist son.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 16th, 2012
9:24 am
Tom — “Unfortunately, you – and many of the commenters – do not understand Ayn Rand or Objectivism at all.”
“Ayn Rand was an atheist and Objectivism IS an atheistic philosophy – exhaustively.”
Unfortunately, you do not understand atheism at all.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 16th, 2012
9:25 am
unhinged
it was the perfect word
unhinged
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 16th, 2012
9:25 am
dB
I read Milbank’s piece yesterday and was wondering who put testosterone in his coffee.
As to Romney’s tax returns, until ODD OWL posted about them last night, there was an idea that I had not even heard whispered. Seems there is a group who thinks the Romney’s benefitted from the government’s “Come clean on the Swiss accounts and we’ll grant you amnesty” program. That would show up on his taxes if he released anything prior to what he has already released. It sounds way out there, but at the same time, it’s so far out there that it has a thread of viability strung through that tale.
RB from Gwinnett
August 16th, 2012
9:26 am
Jim Carrol, Jesus told YOU to take care of the poor. He didn’t tell you to take care of the poor with other peoples money.
He also told the woman at the well to go and sin no more. He didn’t ignore her sins and act like they were ok with him. Maybe you should actually read the bible before you try this routine.
Cynthia Tucker needs someone to rub her feet
August 16th, 2012
9:27 am
Jay, what’s your point. Why don’t you come out and say it. You are writting for the re-election of Obama. No matter who the VP pick was, you and all the other hacks were going to roll out the evil copy about him/her.
You’ll be out of a job soon like Cynthia with 10th grade journalism like this.
Fred ™
August 16th, 2012
9:27 am
Oh and USMC? I’ve read the Communist manifesto……. and the Bible as well as the Koran. I’ve read Mein Kampf as well as Dreams from my Father. I’ve even read Darwin……… all of him. You should try THAT on for size. Although some of that needs a few beers to digest……. Here let me help you out.
http://darwin-online.org.uk/
So how you been USMC? Long time no talk to.
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 16th, 2012
9:28 am
k71 – “Unemployment up to 9.3% in Georgia. But we’ll just ignore that.”
You’re right K, we should discuss it. Why aren’t the leaders of Georgia following through on their campaign promises to create jobs? Why does Obama love North Dakota so much that he blesses them with a UE rate of 3% while Georgia languishes at the 9% level?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 16th, 2012
9:28 am
Brosephus — “Seems there is a group who thinks the Romney’s benefitted from the government’s “Come clean on the Swiss accounts and we’ll grant you amnesty” program. That would show up on his taxes if he released anything prior to what he has already released. It sounds way out there, but at the same time, it’s so far out there that it has a thread of viability strung through that tale.”
I speculated a couple of weeks ago that the IRS amnesty for Swiss account holders might be what Romney was trying to hide. If it is, then that’s an extremely good reason for him not to want to release those tax returns.
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 16th, 2012
9:29 am
Unemployment up to 9.3% in Georgia. But we’ll just ignore that.
Seems like Doomy has already beaten you to the punch. He’s already bragging about how Red and “right-to-work” states are outperforming Blue and union states. Might wanna get him up to date on that press release right there….
Cynthia Tucker needs someone to rub her feet
August 16th, 2012
9:29 am
I wonder who wrote the book that is Obama’s guiding light? Rev. Wright? I’ll side with the other guy, sorry
Fred ™
August 16th, 2012
9:30 am
Brocephus; I thought Romney “came clean” years ago on his Swiss bank accounts……. like when the Swiss agreed to furnish our Gov’t the names of tax cheats…….
Its An Ayn Ryan Shame
August 16th, 2012
9:30 am
There is no vice that doth so cover PAUL RYAN with shame as to be found false and deceitful.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
9:31 am
John Galt did not.
He had the mighty WATB death ray.
Fred ™
August 16th, 2012
9:32 am
LOL USMC, I missed your 9:11. AND your 9:14. No fair using MY term asshat on me. That’s like a 15 yard blog penalty.
Was Jay hitting the Jack again last night? Someone wake him up and tell him we need some news rags to say the same old stuff about…….
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
9:32 am
I wonder who wrote the book that is Obama’s guiding light? Rev. Wright?
naw, the cranky right-wing article of faith is that it was Bill Ayers who ghost-wrote it, because colored folks is illitrat, or something.
Know your meme, son.
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 16th, 2012
9:33 am
JHM
Until I went in search of that last night, that had not even crossed my mind. If that were indeed true, that would be the ultimate embarassment not just for Romney but for the GOP establishment as well. The chorus during the entire primary was that he was the establishment candidate and not necessarily the one that the masses wanted. That was reflected in the polling and primary results as well.
G Mare
August 16th, 2012
9:35 am
Thank you, Granny G. That video is GREAT!
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 16th, 2012
9:35 am
Fred
I wonder if that’s how Reid “knows” about Romney’s tax issue. I’m not sure if Reid or any others on Capitol Hill would be privy to the list of names that were granted amnesty or not.
gm
August 16th, 2012
9:36 am
Thanks Obama for supporting our veterans and troops and taking care of our home less vets, you have gave more money helping the vets then any other President.
Scum bags like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh egg on poor white middle class, they dont mind Ryan Budget giving out vochers to people that have paid in too medicaid the past 20 years, these two scum bags have made millions so medicaid has no effet on them””””
Joe Hussein Mama
August 16th, 2012
9:38 am
Brosephus — “Until I went in search of that last night, that had not even crossed my mind. If that were indeed true, that would be the ultimate embarassment not just for Romney but for the GOP establishment as well.”
Ayup.
It would make Romney a FELON who only escaped discovery and prosecution because he:
1) Feared getting caught
&
2) Took advantage of a gubmint amnesty program, just like those dirty brown people are doing.
Could you imagine the bloodbath on Election Day if that turned out to be true?
USMC
August 16th, 2012
9:40 am
Obama: I Don’t Think Anyone Would Suggest I’ve Tried To Divide The Country
http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/15/obama_i_dont_think_anyone_would_suggest_ive_tried_to_divide_the_country.html
LOL! RUSH LIMBAUGH told me to say that Caesar Obama is either Delusional or a pathological liar OR both!
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
9:40 am
I speculated a couple of weeks ago that the IRS amnesty for Swiss account holders might be what Romney was trying to hide. If it is, then that’s an extremely good reason for him not to want to release those tax returns.
And really, I don’t think it is “out there” — meaning a fringe-y, Trutherish, Birthtastic sort of thing to be speculating about. He was in the thick of that financial world, and it’s a reasonable thing to wonder about, absent readily available evidence to the contrary.
I’m not assuming he was one of those amnesty recipients; nor do I think his receipt of such amnesty should automatically disqualify him as a Presidential candidate. I just think it’s a reasonable thing for voters to know about.
DawgDad
August 16th, 2012
9:40 am
“Thanks Obama for supporting our veterans and troops and taking care of our home less vets, you have gave more money helping the vets then any other President.”
Obama gave? Please provide proof, because I’m not buying your statement at face value. Now, he may have re-directed a lot of OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY.
USMC
August 16th, 2012
9:41 am
“LOL USMC, I missed your 9:11. AND your 9:14. No fair using MY term asshat on me. That’s like a 15 yard blog penalty.”
Touche Fred. I guess I was listening to the same Neal Boortz show. Busted!
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
9:41 am
It would make Romney a FELON
well no, it would make him a guy who would’ve been facing such charges if he didn’t comply. That’s why they call it “amnesty,” yes?
ken
August 16th, 2012
9:42 am
JAY, WHY IS THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADM. BUYING ALL THOSE HOLLOW POINT BULLETS ??
SOCIAL UNREST COMING ??
Please explain.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
August 16th, 2012
9:42 am
“I have KNOWN Communists. Had to shoot a few, and interrogate others. Everyone that doesn’t walk lock step with your Fox news is not a Communist son.”
.
I call BS…………………repectively.
You never “shot” a communist.
At worst…in Vietnam ……you “possibly” shot some poor State-kidnapped child who was “considered” a commie.
You never shot a real commie.
That is as ridiculous as considering Ryan as a Randian.
.
Carry on.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
9:44 am
How to Succeed as an Ayn Rand Character.
http://www.cracked.com/funny-304-ayn-rand/
RB from Gwinnett
August 16th, 2012
9:44 am
Hear ye, hear ye… From this day forward comrad Fred has appointed himself as the sole identifier of communists. All others shall kindly refrain from labeling anyone a communist without Fred’s blessings.
Clown.
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 16th, 2012
9:45 am
ken – “WHY IS THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADM. BUYING ALL THOSE HOLLOW POINT BULLETS ??”
From what I understand, it’s to defend Social Security in the unlikely event of a Romney/Ryan victory.
Erwin's cat
August 16th, 2012
9:45 am
Taxers!
Joe Hussein Mama
August 16th, 2012
9:46 am
SfD — “well no, it would make him a guy who would’ve been facing such charges if he didn’t comply.”
Filing a false or fraudulent tax return is not a felony, IIRC, but fraudulent conveyance or concealing assets to evade taxation *is,* IIRC.
“That’s why they call it “amnesty,” yes?”
STFU and let me dream, d00d.
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 16th, 2012
9:47 am
Thomas – You never “shot” a communist.
At worst…in Vietnam ……you “possibly” shot some poor State-kidnapped child who was “considered” a commie.”
I don’t know Fred any better than you do, but have you ever considered that Fred may have been in the Korean conflict, in which case the North Korean and Chinese soldiers would have been considered communists?
Movin on up
August 16th, 2012
9:48 am
RB
Actually Fred is pretty damn funny. At any given time he goes after right and left leaning bloggers.
You sir are a clown. That is consistently demonstrated in your rants and fits you attempt to pass off of sound posts.
But do have any enjoyable day
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
9:49 am
SOCIAL UNREST COMING ??
naw, it’s for the 16 thousand IRS agents tasked with collecting the Sociamalist Obamakkkare tax.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 16th, 2012
9:49 am
ken — “JAY, WHY IS THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADM. BUYING ALL THOSE HOLLOW POINT BULLETS ?? SOCIAL UNREST COMING ?? Please explain.”
They’re going to start shooting old people. It’s a cooperative venture with the good folks at the Soylent Corporation.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
August 16th, 2012
9:49 am
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 16th, 2012
9:49 am
JHM
The GOP establishment would lose control for sure if that came out. I’m with dB in that I think it would be more of an embarrassment as opposed to a disqualifier. If he took advantage of such a program, I think that is something that voters should know about. If any candidate took advantage of a government program that helped them avoid being labeled as a criminal, I think the voters are entitled to know that.
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ken
Do you and the rest of your scaredy cat people not realize that most every federal agency has an armed investigative group? As armed federal officers, our jobs are dependent upon us maintaining firearm proficiency. How do you maintain those skills? Going to the range and shooting off rounds. Since that’s a part of the job requirement, the government has to provide those rounds for qualification purposes. Most groups have to qualify quarterly, which means there are 4 qualifications each year. If you think the SSA purchase is something, you should go and look at Homeland Security’s requests.
Matti
August 16th, 2012
9:50 am
Mr. Bookman,
I hope you’re doing a column on the student journalists at UGA who walked out of the Red & Black rather than be censored and directed by a bunch of corporate/authority shills.
Young people whose integrity is not for sale! There IS hope for the future of the fourth estate!
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 16th, 2012
9:50 am
it’s to defend Social Security in the unlikely event of a Romney/Ryan victory.
dang, your zinger is so much better…
Jay, if you’re really super not-busy, can you delete my post @ 9.49?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 16th, 2012
9:51 am
B. Cassidy — “I don’t know Fred any better than you do, but have you ever considered that Fred may have been in the Korean conflict, in which case the North Korean and Chinese soldiers would have been considered communists?”
This.
Perhaps if someone asks Fred nicely, he might elaborate a bit.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
August 16th, 2012
9:51 am
Cons are weak and have no leadership . Obama is going to wipe the floor with Rob-me in the debates…losers..
TrishaDishaWarEagle
August 16th, 2012
9:55 am
I think Biden had a stroke recently, he is stupider and more gaffe prone than his typical stupid gaffe prone self.
As for Obama, Romney will destroy him on his record..then the moderators will step in to save obama