Ayn Rand, Paul Ryan and the issue of morality
In a more fact-based world, the centrality of Ayn Rand to Paul Ryan’s perspective on the world would be undeniable. She is, so to speak, the fountainhead from which much of his political thought flows. But rather than take my word for it, listen to Ryan himself, just three short years ago, laying it out explicitly in back-to-back videos prepared by his congressional campaign:
For those unable to watch the video, the earnest Ryan says, among other things:
“What’s unique about what’s happening today in government and in the world and America is that it’s as if we are living in an Ayn Rand novel right now. … I think Ayn Rand did more than anybody to build a moral case for capitalism, the morality of individualism, and this to me is what matters most.”
Again, Ryan’s voluntary, unprovoked and clearly heartfelt profession of Randian philosophy came in 2009, just three years ago, and it is just one in a long string of public expressions by Ryan of his loyalty to and faith in Rand’s philosophy.
More recently, of course, Ryan has attempted to pretend that none of that has occurred, proclaiming it “urban legend” that he had been influenced by Rand and claiming to “reject her philosophy.” However, if that’s true, this sudden change of heart has not been accompanied by any matching change in Ryan’s political outlook. It remains today what it was when he was still willing to publicly celebrate Rand’s claim to moral authority.
Why is this relevant? Well, Randian philosophy — “objectivism” they call it — is to my mind soft-headed, romantic claptrap that attempts vainly to masquerade as hard-headed, pragmatic economic theory. Its appeal is emotional, not intellectual. And while for individual persons, particularly young people, Rand’s work may be effective as a “self-help philosophy” and motivational tool, as the basis of a society or economic system it would be profoundly impractical and even cruel.
That shouldn’t be a surprise, of course, given that Rand rejected the existence of society in the first place. In fact, she treated the very notion of social responsibility as a conspiracy by which the weak parasites of the world attempt to seize the products of the strong and virile creators. In the video above, Ryan clearly buys into that world view, arguing that Randian individualism represents “the moral foundation of America.”
On that count, I personally find the witness of Thomas Jefferson more convincing, given that he helped to lay the foundation in question. Even back in Jefferson’s day, “self-interest, or rather self-love, or egoism” was being proposed by some as the basis of morality, but the drafter of the Declaration of Independence was having none of it.
Self-love, Jefferson warned, “is no part of morality. Indeed it is exactly its counterpart. It is the sole antagonist of virtue, leading us constantly by our propensities to self-gratification in violation of our moral duties to others…. Take from man his selfish propensities, and he can have nothing to seduce him from the practice of virtue.”
Ryan’s background also plays into the problem. Like his running mate, he is a child born into relative wealth and privilege. That does not make either Ryan or Mitt Romney evil, wrong, foolish or misguided. To the contrary, their shared background says nothing at all about their personal character or leadership abilities.
It must, however, affect their perspective, just as being born into poverty or struggle affects the perspective of those who experience the world from that end of things.
Knowing that you have been born into that rarified world, with all the advantage that it confers, ought to make you a little humble about lecturing others about lifting themselves up by their bootstraps. It ought to make you a little less arrogant about your own success, and a little more sympathetic toward those to whom raw luck has been a little less kind. It should make you acknowledge, to yourself if no one else, that you stand where you stand in part because of factors over which you have had no control, and to understand that others stand where they stand in part because of factors over which they too have had no control.
However, in Ryan’s political rhetoric and policy pronouncements there is little evidence of the leavening power of humility. The philosophy of Rand has served to inoculate him and others against such dark thoughts, whispering in their ears the reassurance that that their success is testament only to their own merit, and freeing them of any obligation to assist others.
I don’t accept that argument. It is antithetical to human nature and to thousands of years of human history in which the individual has had responsibilities to the group, and the group has had responsibilities to the individual. The genius of the American system in particular has been its ability to create a workable, ethical balance between those competing responsibilities.
The “morality” that Ryan proposes would toss that balance aside, creating a system the likes of which has never been seen, and which would meet no definition of the word “moral” that I, or Jefferson, would accept.
– Jay Bookman
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Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
10:59 pm
Soothsayer
You can easily tell his hate is in reality envy. He goes on those rants and even Kyle has to tell him to let it go.
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
10:59 pm
Sooth
I just got it to play. Quite interesting indeed. The site has videos on it, but the only one I’ve watched is about the Hydra system.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
10:59 pm
Cryberious snitched me out to Kyle.
Yes, he did.
Funny thing — right after you were red carded, he did the exact same thing. He addressed someone else without using their blog name.
Kyle wasn’t there and no one emailed him , so it remains to be seen if he suffers the same fate as you.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:01 pm
What’s most amazing is that after his foot-stomping, jumping-up-and-down hissy fit he pitched over at Kyle’s, he has the gall to post over here under an assumed name.
That’s what I call chutzpah!
He’s churning inside right now because he is dying to respond to my posts, but by doing so, he will reveal who he is just like he did the other night.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:01 pm
taxpayer- You don’t have to put up with him for another minute. Walk away from it. Show us what you’re made of.
I’m not a quitter like you. Sleep safe tonight knowing I’m protecting your right to be an idiot.
Mick
August 15th, 2012
11:01 pm
jkl2
I guess reagan was anti-american when he granted amnesty to millions-
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128303672
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
11:02 pm
Kamchak
I say no. After he threatened to sue the world, I think he has carte blanche over there. Hopefully not, but he is allowed to push it more than anyone else.
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
11:03 pm
You are protecting him in North Ga?
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:05 pm
goody- Step up to the plate and do something besides acting like a big baby and chronic whiner
I’m not going to become a Democrat no matter how much you try…
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
11:05 pm
Dave became silent
hmmmmmmmmmmm
ODD OWL
August 15th, 2012
11:05 pm
“BREAKING NEWS”
Senate Harry Reid knew what he was talking about when he said that Gov. Mittens Romney didn’t pay any FEDERAL INCOME TAXES for the last 10 years… Apparently Ann and Mittens Romney was busted by the IRS and charged with willful tax evasion… But there is a catch… The rich and elite millionaires and billionaires have finagled the IRS into setting up a special amnesty program for them, so they can plead guilty to a felony tax evasion charge and receive a get out of jail free card and have their criminal record wiped clean… I guess Wesley Snipes wasn’t wealthy enough to qualify for this tax evasion amnesty program… It must be good being wealthy…
fair and balanced
August 15th, 2012
11:06 pm
From Rand’s final public speech, “Sanction of the Victims,” delivered November 21, 1981:
“”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"In conclusion, let me touch briefly on another question often asked me: What do I think of President Reagan? The best answer to give would be: But I don’t think of him—and the more I see, the less I think. I did not vote for him (or for anyone else) and events seem to justify me. The appalling disgrace of his administration is his connection with the so-called “Moral Majority” and sundry other TV religionists, who are struggling—apparently with his approval—to take us back to the Middle Ages, via the unconstitutional union of religion and politics.
Observe Reagan’s futile attempts to arouse the country by some sort of inspirational appeal. He is right in thinking that the country needs an inspirational element. But he will not find it in the God-Family-Tradition swamp”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
From Ryan’s idol, Ayn Rand about Saint Ronald the Great.
Goody Three Steps
August 15th, 2012
11:06 pm
Could careless what you are or who you become
Growing up would be great, however that doesn’t impact me.
So keep on with your constant whining and crying. Just you being you
Mick
August 15th, 2012
11:07 pm
jkl2
Well? Reagan? Try to get off the one dimension there’s a lot to learn…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
11:07 pm
Up Up and Away
I think it depends on if Kyle wades through all those posts.
I submit again, Kyle is a principled guy and I believe he was just as upset with Dave R. in the set to with Sooth as he was with Sooth.
The difference being — he didn’t send Dave R packing.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:07 pm
Kam,
I think I will go back and play the rules.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:07 pm
goody- I think there were two Marines or ex Marines on here earlier. They will be glad to know you demeaned them.
Nothing but respect for them. Unlike 98% of you obama lovers, they had the balls to enlist.
please ramble on…
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
11:09 pm
Kamchak
I agree with you except in Dave’s case. Hopefully you are correct.
Billybob
August 15th, 2012
11:11 pm
liberals claiming the moral authority is laughable…..people actually hear what your radical ilk are saying and want your radical liberal leftist believe and want to force upon the american people…..like say obamacare which was forced upon the people through bribery, complete and utter lies and legislative manipulation the likes this country has NEVER SEEN…..you are in fantasyland bookman…..you will awake on nov 7th to reality…..you and the radicals that you support in fundamentally changing this country are on the way out……ahoy, iceberg…..waht did obama mean by fundamental transformation jay? almost four years in and you can’t define that and you define morality……this was easy and you look silly
Goody Three Shows
August 15th, 2012
11:11 pm
JKL: Well you sure know how to show them respect.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
10:20 pm
goody three shoes- Wasn’t the smartest thing to do, but it was ballsy
Marines aren’t known for their intelligence.
Don’t look for me on facebook because I’m not there.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
11:14 pm
getalife
Take your lumps and serve your suspension. Being a douchebag just to get back on is beneath you.
Just my $0.02
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
11:14 pm
getalife,
Hopefully Kyle will let you back on. I’ll vouch for you and ask that you be let back on if he has a permaban on you. Hopefully its just a 1 or 2 day suspension though.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:16 pm
I called him out to make sure it was him.
The only one running that blog will be Kyle.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
11:16 pm
getalife do add flavor to any blog he do.
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
11:16 pm
ODD OWL
I scratched my head trying to figure where that came from, but I saw the article ran by Slate.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/07/17/romney_s_tax_returns_is_the_2009_swiss_bank_account_amnesty_what_he_doesn_t_want_us_to_see_.html
It sounds both far fetched and plausible at the same time. If that becomes the rumble in the streets over the next few weeks, that may deal a serious blow to someone’s campaign. Either the Democrats will get labeled as bloodthirsty, or the GOP will be labeled as tax cheats. That would, indeed, be a very embarrassing thing to have released to the voting public. There’s not much time for the GOP to nominate another candidate and put any type of campaign together before November.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:17 pm
getalife- Just another blind partisan con that loves to attack our President after a collapse.
Would love to follow the man but that would entail him coming up with some kind of plan. We both know that is never going to happen.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:18 pm
getalife- I have no party or ideology so why would I lie like you con
Yet another lie. Why can’t you tell the truth?
JamVet
August 15th, 2012
11:19 pm
2, you actually link to some other idiot on some other blog????
As verifiable evidence???
You are going down the toilet quicker than the tidy bowl man…
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
11:19 pm
getalife
If I may add my $.01 (budget cuts are hurting a brother), I’d let things die down. No need to do anything crazy or stupid. Just let things go. Although I scratch my head at some of your posts, I know you’re a decent guy. Hell, I think most of us know that.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:19 pm
So let me get this straight: Kyle banned getalife, too? I’ve been away a few days. What happened?
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:19 pm
doomy.
He said a week but I will not use an ip spoofer.
That was hilarious today.
Billybob
August 15th, 2012
11:19 pm
liberal democrat words and actions and beliefs are destroying the dem party and honest democrats out ther will never vote for this clown again…..just like the independents who left him in 2010…..you know, the last election that your radical ilk pretend didn’t even happen……and you know what jay, things have gotten worse and your ilk thinks these same voters will do a 180 and vote for the democrats in nov……i’ll check on you and see how you feel after the radical leftists riots have stopped burning this fall…..america’s eyes will be opened and your democrat leader’s ideology of division, hate, race-baiting, and class warfare will be sent back to the minor leagues…maybe chavez in venezuela needs a community organizer down there….
Up Up and Away
August 15th, 2012
11:21 pm
getalife
End of next week, you will be back giving them hell.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:21 pm
Kam,
No dbag.
I will play nice and by the rules.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:22 pm
up up and away- Can you back up your link with something directly from Chevron or any of the other oil companies?
Google is your friend. pick one you like, there are hundreds of stories and millions of links out there.
JustAskin...Cause-I-Don'tGet-It
August 15th, 2012
11:22 pm
@Billybob
August 15th, 2012
11:11 pm
So I just really don’t understand…you so-called conservatives complain about having to foot the bill for the never do well of society, yet when a bill is introduced to force everyone to provide their own insurance, you still b*tch. I really just don’t understand. Can you please explain to me what you have against people being responsible for their health care?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
11:22 pm
Sooth
getalife was given a one week suspension for addressing another blogger by using another name other than the one he was using.
Rule #4 Anyone who refers to another commenter by anything other than the handle the latter uses will be subject to a ban of at least one week. This may sound like an extraordinary measure, but it is the source of many commenter fights. A shortened version of the handle may be acceptable, but only if there is no obvious intent to insult. As I will be the sole judge of that intent, I recommend you err on the side of not being too cute. The ban will also be applied to anyone who refers to commenters by previous handles they used.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:22 pm
Billybob: I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Heck, when Romney’s elected, your boy Ryan will be able to cure all those ills that keep you up nights. Everything’s gonna be alright.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:24 pm
Sooth,
I said don’t let dave r run that blog and got banned for a week.
No big deal.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:25 pm
Kam: I don’t need to know the details, but I have noticed that Kyle’s enforcement of that rule is somewhat slanted toward the “righties” there and against everyone else.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:26 pm
jk,
Plan for what exactly?
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:27 pm
getalife- Got the Latino vote. Both parties agree on that one.
Screw what the public thinks or if it’s any good for the country, obama needs some votes!
Good thing he said he was powerless to do anything last year.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
11:28 pm
getalife,
If I may add my IOU(cons are really hurting in the Obama economy)then I would just not sweat it and come back in a week. But I think I would really just try it in a few days. You’ll probably be back by the weekend. You may be a lib but I still enjoy reading your posts. Just trying to keep us cons honest I suppose. Besides if you are gone then who the hell am I going to razz in regards to LSwho football? That would leave Debbiedoright only.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:29 pm
“I said don’t let d*** r run that blog and got banned for a week.
No big deal.”
See, getalife, that is a big deal!
The reason being that D______ R doesn’t want anyone using that moniker. That’s what the whole “lawsuit” thing was about.
I’m surprised you didn’t know that. It’s verboten.
Mainly because D_______ R is Kyle’s own personal “t*tty baby.”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
11:29 pm
Sooth
I have broken that rule once or twice and suffered no ill affects.
But I won’t do it again.
Peter
August 15th, 2012
11:30 pm
hey taxpayer. This statement…….
Unfortunately, frackers need that water and are refusing to share. They claim that low-cost domestic sources of oil are more important than an abundance of corn or water for other uses.
Perhaps you don’t know about the Canadian company that doesn’t use water to frack……. GSFVF is the symbol.
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
11:30 pm
Can you please explain to me what you have against people being responsible for their health care?
He probably doesn’t have any idea of what he’s actually b*tching about other than it’s something that Democrats want to do or said should be done. That’s all some people need nowadays to go off on some kind of spastic tirade.
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
11:31 pm
“Kam: I don’t need to know the details, but I have noticed that Kyle’s enforcement of that rule is somewhat slanted toward the “righties” there and against everyone else.”
Sooth,
Its a 2 way street. On this blog cons have felt that Jay- fairly or unfairly, has singled out cons far more than liberals.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:31 pm
mick I guess reagan was anti-american when he granted amnesty to millions-
Wrong again. Reagan signed a bill. obama just forced some more crap down our throats with a mandate, circumventing congress.
Hsi hero Hugo Chavez will be so proud. It’s a shame we can’t be more like Venezuela…
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:32 pm
Bro,
I go over there to spar with some old con friends at Luckovich’s blog.
Kyle will probably do something with dave before I go back.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:33 pm
“Its a 2 way street. On this blog cons have felt that Jay- fairly or unfairly, has singled out cons far more than liberals.”
Thulsa: to some extent I agree with that assessment. However, in my experience, those who have been banned from Jay’s blog have ignored warning after warning or wasted everyone’s time posting mindless BS all day without any substance.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:34 pm
Sooth,
What lawsuit?
Brosephus™ - 2012 Winner of the Firm Grasp of the Obvious Award©
August 15th, 2012
11:36 pm
getalife
Kyle strikes me as a level headed guy. Just do what you do best, but play within the rules. That’s my best advice. I didn’t bother to go over there in search of what was said. Whatever Kyle decides to do with him is up to Kyle. As the old saying goes, “character is what you do when nobody’s watching.”
Catch y’all later….
Mick
August 15th, 2012
11:37 pm
jkl2
Weak, very weak…you’re stuck in neutral, don’t plan on arriving anywhere too soon…
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:37 pm
goody- JKL: Well you sure know how to show them respect
No worries. They know exactly what I’m talking about. One team, one fight doesn’t mean we have to lose our sense of humor.
Guess you would have to serve your country to understand that…
CJ
August 15th, 2012
11:38 pm
So people should produce and achieve. Ok But little rich boy cant possibly speak for someone who actually HAD TO WORK just to put food on the table or a roof over his head and have to bear the brunt of whatever the rich person decides should happen to him. A person could work all his life…and not even come up to what Ryan was BORN INTO. Thats why little rich boy should be careful what he supports. Maybe the Lord has humbling in mind for him. It might save his soul.
Peter
August 15th, 2012
11:38 pm
JKL2 ……..Perhaps the bigger picture about the amnesty program is those who are getting it, will now be forced to pay US taxes thus the treasury collects more ?
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:39 pm
Bro,
No problem.
CJ
August 15th, 2012
11:39 pm
Put a mustache on her and cut her hair and she looks just like Hitler. Her philosophy matches his also. And Ryan admires this athiest?
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:42 pm
getalife- Plan for what exactly?
Anything. Leaders have plans, obama has tee times and fundraisers.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:43 pm
Sooth,
Did he really file a lawsuit for that?
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:44 pm
jk,
If robme told you he would seize your assets, would you vote for him?
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:45 pm
soothsayer- wasted everyone’s time posting mindless BS all day without any substance.
Not true. getalife is still here…
Thulsa Doom
August 15th, 2012
11:45 pm
Cj,
The wealth envy and the hatefulness you guys have of people who were maybe born into a little bit better circumstance never ceases to amaze me. Some of ya’ll need to get a grip with all that hatin and BS crap like “little rich boy”. Geez.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:46 pm
Is that IRS amnesty for real?
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:46 pm
“What lawsuit?”
getalife: on the particular night in question (the most fun I’ve ever had on a blog) I referred to the poster you referred to as “Little D____ Crybaby.”
Well, that brought all kinds of threats of lawsuits (about what I have no idea). I’m not sure if he was planning an action under breach of contract or negligence or what legal theory.
“I had a chance to avoid it, etc.”
Apparently, it was enough to get Kyle sweating, so Kyle “scrubbed” the blog (i.e. removed all of my posts) and banned me (forever, I presume).
Kyle then forthwith drafted his pronunciamento, i.e., “new rules” which are still in effect.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:48 pm
getalife- If robme told you he would seize your assets, would you vote for him?
WTF??? Is it time for some more meds?
Did Harry Reid’s friend call and tell you that was his plan? You would know it’s true, because anonymous people on the telephone never lie.
G Mare
August 15th, 2012
11:50 pm
Wow! It has been a day here!! On topic, I think, I read Rand & Sussan (sp?) lo those many years ago. Outgrew both of them. Rand made some sense when I was a teenager (over 50 years ago) & VALLEY of the DOLLS was titillating in the 60s. I truly hope we have moved on from both, but given some of the posts here, perhaps that is a vain hope? Again, great column, Jay. Too bad the comments devolved so drastically.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:50 pm
“Did he really file a lawsuit for that?”
No. WTF kind of a lawsuit is he going to file? I mean it’s total stupidity. You, me, even Little D___ Crybaby blog here of your own volition. If you’re not happy, leave.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:50 pm
mick- Weak, very weak…you’re stuck in neutral, don’t plan on arriving anywhere too soon…
I’m not going to become a Democrat no matter what you think. Give it up.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:54 pm
Peter- Perhaps the bigger picture about the amnesty program is those who are getting it, will now be forced to pay US taxes thus the treasury collects more ?
How about getting rid of achor babies since we’re the only country in the world that has that law. It was put in so slaves could become citizens. Last I checked, we haven’t had any slaves for quite some time now.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:54 pm
Sooth,
Wow, no wonder he banned me.
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
11:55 pm
I’m not a quitter like you. Sleep safe tonight knowing I’m protecting your right to be an idiot.
You are indeed the quitter, JKL2. Further, you are doing nothing but protecting your own selfish interests. Sleep well under that sheet of yours.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 15th, 2012
11:56 pm
No. WTF kind of a lawsuit is he going to file?
There is a no stalking clause in the AJC visitors agreement, but I don’t see how that would enter into any kind of lawsuit filed against another individual here.
Perhaps he could file a suit against the AJC for allowing stalking to occur, but I would call that a fool’s errand. I mean really — trying to pit resources against Cox enterprises?
TaxPayer
August 15th, 2012
11:57 pm
Peter,
I hope you are not claiming that none of the domestic drillers are in need of water for their fracking operations because that would be so wrong.
getalife
August 15th, 2012
11:57 pm
jk,
I think you would.
Soothsayer
August 15th, 2012
11:57 pm
“Wow, no wonder he banned me.”
That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you. You walked right into a hornet’s nest. At least on Kyle’s blog.
JKL2
August 15th, 2012
11:59 pm
taxpayer- You are indeed the quitter
No, I’m not like you. (thank God)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 16th, 2012
12:00 am
Wow, no wonder he banned me.
He banned you ’cause Dave R emailed Kyle and tattled, otherwise Kyle never would’ve seen your post out of 700 or so other ones.
Soothsayer
August 16th, 2012
12:01 am
I’m out, good night all. BTW, be on the lookout for Obambarrassment. Or his next persona.
Regardless, I don’t have any trouble spotting him.
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:02 am
Sooth,
I remember him saying his job title and who he was so I think he is just being a bully.
TaxPayer
August 16th, 2012
12:02 am
I am not like you, JKL2. You can thank God for that if you wish. Do you pull that crap in church too or are you just as anonymous there with your words. Quitter.
JKL2
August 16th, 2012
12:03 am
geatlife- I think you would
Yes, I will protect your right to remain an idiot too. Sleep well tonight, and you can thank me later.
Soothsayer
August 16th, 2012
12:03 am
“I remember him saying his job title and who he was so I think he is just being a bully.”
That’s what I’ve been saying: he used to brag about it all the time.
This time I’m really out.
JKL2
August 16th, 2012
12:05 am
taxpayer- Quitter
out of curiousity, what?
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:06 am
Kam,
Can we say that name here?
He might snitch us out.
That is taking blogging way too seriously.
Reality
August 16th, 2012
12:07 am
You say anything against O’bama policy you’re a racest. You point out his socialist leanings and you’re Joseph McCarthy. And so it goes.
TaxPayer
August 16th, 2012
12:09 am
JKL2, quit pretending to be protecting anything other than you own selfish interests. You’re in your job for the money. Maybe you’ll get you other wish and lose that too since that is what the Ryan budget calls for.
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:10 am
jk,
Thanks for that but I am not scared and can take care of myself.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 16th, 2012
12:13 am
getalife
I don’t see why not. There’s over three years worth of archives with his name all over them, for chrissakes.
Kyle’s rules don’t apply here.
When you outed Dave, he went crying to Jay, but Jay was having none of it.
He said essentially the same thing you did — Dave provided enough information so that anyone could find him.Jay wouldn’t back him and that was when he started to lose it. It was only a matter of time til he did the blogocide.
The most hilarious thing about the incident was the youtube videos you found.
JKL2
August 16th, 2012
12:16 am
taxpayer- JKL2, quit pretending to be protecting anything other than you own selfish interests. You’re in your job for the money. Maybe you’ll get you other wish and lose that too since that is what the Ryan budget calls for.
No, partially true, and you’re completely clueless once again. Democrats are the ones trying to destroy the military budget.
Hate to break it to you, but that big “L” on your forehead doesn’t stand for leftist.
TaxPayer
August 16th, 2012
12:16 am
The most hilarious thing about the incident was the youtube videos you found.
I remember Dave outing himself but I missed the videos. I miss all the fun stuff.
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:18 am
Kam,
I forgot about that.
That was hilarious.
Yes, he bragged about it so I googled and found that video of his nemesis.
I remember him freaking out but he outed himself.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 16th, 2012
12:21 am
TaxPayer
Videos of a written message penned by some upset constituents with a Journey song in the background.
They’re still on youtube and with a little diligence, you can find them.
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:23 am
jk,
They just passed another 642 billion to add to the trillions wasted on defense.
They should do another audit.
TaxPayer
August 16th, 2012
12:23 am
JKL2,
You are, as usual, wrong. Bush sent soldiers off to not only fight an unfounded war against a non-existent terrorist threat, he sent soldiers off to die in an unfunded war as well. And to add insult to injuries, Republicans want to cut the separate line item, 245 billion on the 2010 budget, that goes to federal retirees and veteran’s benefits while increasing funding to the DoD for the military industrial complex. So, unless you’re some sort of cyborg, JKL2, the Republican budget will be your loss once you retire from protecting your self interest, Loser. Wear your “L” proudly. You earned it.
Peter
August 16th, 2012
12:24 am
I hope you are not claiming that none of the domestic drillers are in need of water for their fracking operations because that would be so wrong.
No I never ever said that TaxPayer.
I only stated there as always is new technology….. It just so happens this is safer for the environment, and actually works to produce more.
Someone is going to buy out this company, especially since they will be fracking in places like the middle east that is missing the water supply.
Also now we have a drought in the areas they want to frack, this seems like the way top go.
Imagine that fracking and safe for the environment ….what a concept !
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:25 am
Tax,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ok28SureX4
getalife
August 16th, 2012
12:27 am
Ooops I did it again.
Don’t sue me bro.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 16th, 2012
12:29 am
Ooops I did it again.
Are you Britney Spears?