Ayn Rand, Paul Ryan and the issue of morality

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In a more fact-based world, the centrality of Ayn Rand to Paul Ryan’s perspective on the world would be undeniable. She is, so to speak, the fountainhead from which much of his political thought flows. But rather than take my word for it, listen to Ryan himself, just three short years ago, laying it out explicitly in back-to-back videos prepared by his congressional campaign:

For those unable to watch the video, the earnest Ryan says, among other things:

“What’s unique about what’s happening today in government and in the world and America is that it’s as if we are living in an Ayn Rand novel right now. … I think Ayn Rand did more than anybody to build a moral case for capitalism, the morality of individualism, and this to me is what matters most.”

Again, Ryan’s voluntary, unprovoked and clearly heartfelt profession of Randian philosophy came in 2009, just three years ago, and it is just one in a long string of public expressions by Ryan of his loyalty to and faith in Rand’s philosophy.

More recently, of course, Ryan has attempted to pretend that none of that has occurred, proclaiming it “urban legend” that he had been influenced by Rand and claiming to “reject her philosophy.” However, if that’s true, this sudden change of heart has not been accompanied by any matching change in Ryan’s political outlook. It remains today what it was when he was still willing to publicly celebrate Rand’s claim to moral authority.

Why is this relevant? Well, Randian philosophy — “objectivism” they call it — is to my mind soft-headed, romantic claptrap that attempts vainly to masquerade as hard-headed, pragmatic economic theory. Its appeal is emotional, not intellectual. And while for individual persons, particularly young people, Rand’s work may be effective as a “self-help philosophy” and motivational tool, as the basis of a society or economic system it would be profoundly impractical and even cruel.

That shouldn’t be a surprise, of course, given that Rand rejected the existence of society in the first place. In fact, she treated the very notion of social responsibility as a conspiracy by which the weak parasites of the world attempt to seize the products of the strong and virile creators. In the video above, Ryan clearly buys into that world view, arguing that Randian individualism represents “the moral foundation of America.”

On that count, I personally find the witness of Thomas Jefferson more convincing, given that he helped to lay the foundation in question. Even back in Jefferson’s day, “self-interest, or rather self-love, or egoism” was being proposed by some as the basis of morality, but the drafter of the Declaration of Independence was having none of it.

Self-love, Jefferson warned, “is no part of morality. Indeed it is exactly its counterpart. It is the sole antagonist of virtue, leading us constantly by our propensities to self-gratification in violation of our moral duties to others…. Take from man his selfish propensities, and he can have nothing to seduce him from the practice of virtue.”

Ryan’s background also plays into the problem. Like his running mate, he is a child born into relative wealth and privilege. That does not make either Ryan or Mitt Romney evil, wrong, foolish or misguided. To the contrary, their shared background says nothing at all about their personal character or leadership abilities.

It must, however, affect their perspective, just as being born into poverty or struggle affects the perspective of those who experience the world from that end of things.

Knowing that you have been born into that rarified world, with all the advantage that it confers, ought to make you a little humble about lecturing others about lifting themselves up by their bootstraps. It ought to make you a little less arrogant about your own success, and a little more sympathetic toward those to whom raw luck has been a little less kind. It should make you acknowledge, to yourself if no one else, that you stand where you stand in part because of factors over which you have had no control, and to understand that others stand where they stand in part because of factors over which they too have had no control.

However, in Ryan’s political rhetoric and policy pronouncements there is little evidence of the leavening power of humility. The philosophy of Rand has served to inoculate him and others against such dark thoughts, whispering in their ears the reassurance that that their success is testament only to their own merit, and freeing them of any obligation to assist others.

I don’t accept that argument. It is antithetical to human nature and to thousands of years of human history in which the individual has had responsibilities to the group, and the group has had responsibilities to the individual. The genius of the American system in particular has been its ability to create a workable, ethical balance between those competing responsibilities.

The “morality” that Ryan proposes would toss that balance aside, creating a system the likes of which has never been seen, and which would meet no definition of the word “moral” that I, or Jefferson, would accept.

– Jay Bookman

1,118 comments Add your comment

You libs

August 15th, 2012
6:50 pm

getalife

I met Mett on the first day of his life here. His dad and I worked together for years. I’ve never met a man who pound-for-pound has more strength and coordination. His mom is one of the most competent, hard-working people I’ve ever known. Zach is those two squared.

QB was the Achilles heel last year. It won’t be this year.

Ahem

August 15th, 2012
6:52 pm

I heard today on NPR that Romney is now garnering more of the youth vote than Uncle Hope ‘n Change. I also heard that the Republican Party is now winning the Medicare argumant as the truth is coming out. Gallup still has Romney ahead. And then there is Ol’ Joe Biden. HAHAHAHAHA

getalife

August 15th, 2012
6:52 pm

Actually, the rand fictional bs did not long as a topic.

Jackie

August 15th, 2012
6:53 pm

@Ahem

Is President Obama your uncle?

josef

August 15th, 2012
6:53 pm

DOGGONE

It’s too bad we’ve worn out “clueless.” That one seems to me to sum up Romney. I confess a certain sympathy for him. Ryan? All I want to do is slap that smug qu*en into next Tuesday…

Thulsa Doom

August 15th, 2012
6:54 pm

Jamvet,

Its 13. I already put $200 down and am going to put another $300 down but I’m hoping it will drop to 11 or 12. If it doesn’t or even goes up I’m still plunking more down. I’m thinking its going to be a slaughter. Remember what Miss state did to Michigan 2 years ago 52-14 in the bowl game. This is going to be just as bad. If we don’t cover I’m sure you libruls will have plenty to razz me on. Not to mention the humiliation of losing $500 on a silly football bet. I think I just made some folks new Michigan fans. Tee hee.

ODD OWL

August 15th, 2012
6:54 pm

Paul “Ayn Rand” Ryan is an extreme right wing, hardcore, cutthroat capitalist… Paul “Rand” Ryan apparently worship Ms. Rand as a Goddess of greed… Ryan and the rest of these cutthroat capitalists Republicans apparently have a severe case of selective amnesia… They’ve calculatively forgotten about the fact that capitalism is predicated on a “slave labor” work force… Capitalism doesn’t work properly without a slave labor work force… Paul Ryan is ignorant and if he and the rest of his Republican co-conspirators are really interested in learning about capitalism, they should read “Das Capital” by Karl Marks… It explains capitalism in lurid detail… Vice President Joe Biden hit the nail on the head when he said that the Republicans want to put the chains back on you. The V.P. meant all of the non rich Americans, Blacks, Whites, Brown and yellow… In the minds of the Republicans, wealth is the great divider that determines whether you’re a slave or a freed man…

stands for decibels

August 15th, 2012
6:54 pm

They do love they Ayn Rand obsession they do.

reminds me, anyone seen our Ragnar? where’d Rags get off to?

Tom Middleton

August 15th, 2012
6:54 pm

Thulsa

You’re losing it, Thulsa. Maybe you should stop trying to make sense for now,,,or at least try to stop drinking. Give yourself a chance for the rest of your life!

Erwin's cat

August 15th, 2012
6:54 pm

It amazing Doom that a political party would demonize an author and a fictional one at that…..you’d think she drew a picture of Allah

booger

August 15th, 2012
6:54 pm

I get it. It’s kinda like Obama’s relationship to Marx.

getalife

August 15th, 2012
6:55 pm

Thanks Ypu libs.

We got Penn State’s quarterback too in case he cracks under the pressure but seems to be handling the tough job well.

That is encouraging.

Paul

August 15th, 2012
6:55 pm

stands

“I really hope the comments page updates include a clown filter.”

Clowns?

Just as well Bosch is no longer here.

He’d freak.

Thulsa Doom

August 15th, 2012
6:56 pm

josef,

Well the good thing is that by my next post Joe will probably make another gaffe that I can then jump on.

[...] The conflict is not in his beliefs on social issues, it is with his economic worldview. I will not overplay Ryan’s association with author Ayn Rand and her philosophical school of Objectivism, though in 2009 he said “I think Ayn Rand did more than anybody to build a moral case for capitalism, the morality of individualism, and this to me is what matters most.” (source) [...]

getalife

August 15th, 2012
6:56 pm

“I get it. It’s kinda like Obama’s relationship to Marx”

How many cons posted this same crap?

It is one person or they are sharing one brain.

josef

August 15th, 2012
6:57 pm

SFD

“…where’d Rags get off to?”

Riches? :-)

Tom(Independent Viet Vet,USAF)

August 15th, 2012
6:57 pm

So Paul Ryan was influenced by Ayn Rand’s teachings, have you forgotten about Rev Wight(Obama’s pastor for 20 yrs)? I haven’t, Rev Wright’s famous words in church “God Damn the USA”! Which was worst? Come on libs, let me hear your excuses on this one?

Bernie

August 15th, 2012
6:58 pm

For the past (3) three years, ALL of the right wingers, Tea Partiers and Republicans have gleefully and un-apologetically, have called, President OBAMA, ALL kinds of mean and hateful names like OBOZO, OSAMA, and many other mean and hateful racist names to many to mention here.

NOW, the Republicans have these TWO candidates up for election to the Whitehouse…… A truly…….. REAL PAIR of “BOZO’s”! :)

My Grandmother use to always say…” GOD does NOT like UGLY”

This is one Big Pile of UGLY SHIRT!

josef

August 15th, 2012
6:58 pm

THULSA

The Romany Lady says that’s a safe bet!

Thulsa Doom

August 15th, 2012
6:58 pm

We got Penn State’s quarterback too….

getalife,

Please don’t let that Penn State qb transfer try running the option against the Alabama defense. The young man has been through enough pain and hurt already.

getalife

August 15th, 2012
6:59 pm

Thanks tom for proving my point but you forgot Marx.

Thulsa Doom

August 15th, 2012
6:59 pm

josef,

Maybe I should go $1000. Or perhaps float a bond issue and place the proceeds on Bama. I wonder if Romney could help me out with that.

josef

August 15th, 2012
7:00 pm

S-gi-na

“GOD does NOT like UGLY””

You should’ve listened to your Grandmother.

You libs

August 15th, 2012
7:00 pm

getalife

Check out Bolden’s career at PSU. Not sure why CLM has a fetish for guys like him and JJ.

getalife

August 15th, 2012
7:01 pm

doomy.

We gave him a fresh start and don’t talk about that monster rotting in jail..

josef

August 15th, 2012
7:01 pm

THULSA

Take that $1000 and invest it in insurance stocks! :-)

Thulsa Doom

August 15th, 2012
7:01 pm

Erwin’s cat,

Everyone got to have their boogeyman I guess. Or rather boogeywoman in Rand’s case.

Erwin's cat

August 15th, 2012
7:02 pm

I will not overplay Ryan’s association with author Ayn Rand and her philosophical school of Objectivism

another nice parody

Paul

August 15th, 2012
7:03 pm

Tom

Point us to that video or speech Obama did that cited Wright as forming his core beliefs, as describing our ideal political and economic system, and as the reason he went into politics?

Thulsa Doom

August 15th, 2012
7:03 pm

josef,

You kidding? I don’t trust those bastuhds any more than you do- certainly not enough to put any damn money with them.

F. Sinkwich

August 15th, 2012
7:04 pm

“In the minds of the Republicans, wealth is the great divider that determines whether you’re a slave or a freed man…”

Gee whiz.

I’ve read so many mindless posts from lib ilks on this blog that I can honestly say that I’m unsure if this is the stupidest I’ve read.

Paul

August 15th, 2012
7:04 pm

Bernie

How come you posture as a lib but you post in the style of some of our most illustrious cons?

You going for the Bill Orvis White Award?

getalife

August 15th, 2012
7:05 pm

You libs,

Madhatter?

I am not a fan of the two quarterback system and think if Mett is doing well, leave him in there.

Thulsa Doom

August 15th, 2012
7:05 pm

“and don’t talk about that monster rotting in jail..”

Getalife,

In the great chasm of philosophical divide between libs and cons we can all agree on one thing. Jerry Sandusky is a POS. I would like to add on another 347 adjectives to describe this foul man but in the interest of time and expediency I will just leave it at POS.

JamVet

August 15th, 2012
7:06 pm

So Paul Ryan was influenced by Ayn Rand’s teachings…

Apparently to the point where the coward has to make up bald face lies about that being the case.

His lack of honesty is THE point of this thread, is it not, Tom?

Apparently telling the truth is not that important anymore.

And why should it be?

Knowing that he is going to get caught in the lie, unless he truly is that stupid,( which isn’t out of the realm of possibility I suppose) but that it won’t have any consequences among those who don’t care about such things…

ODD OWL

August 15th, 2012
7:06 pm

The Romney/Ryan Republican scape goaters bitch and moan, bitch and moan, whine, whine, whine, just because President Obama and Vice President Biden hit them with a little heat… Well Mr. Romney/Ryan, what are you going to do when the POTUS and the Vice POTUS turn up the hellfire heat on you ??? Republicans, you need to listen up.. Y’all ain’t seen nothing yet…

josef

August 15th, 2012
7:06 pm

THULSA

D*mn, Bub, you bitin’ the hand that feeds you?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 15th, 2012
7:06 pm

Since we’re all sharing our favorite verses, I’ll share mine — Blessed are the cheesemakers…

josef

August 15th, 2012
7:07 pm

PAUL

Nyanh. Brother Bill’s literate!

marko

August 15th, 2012
7:08 pm

It’s interesting that Jay included Thomas Jefferson in his comment. Jefferson, like Rand, didn’t consider Jesus the son of god. However, Jefferson unlike Ayn, considered himself a devout follower of Christ. Jefferson believed strongly in the Christian philosophy while rejecting what he considered “monkish superstitions”. Rand a devout atheist, had no use for Christianity whatsoever. That’s why Ryan’s moving away from Rand. The Christian Right types made the startling discovery that old Ayn was an atheist speed freak. Just didn’t sit right with a major source of cheap GOP votes. Nearly all the tea party types are trying to put as much distance between themselves and Rand as possible. Bet they still dream about her at night though.

Erwin's cat

August 15th, 2012
7:09 pm

get – Madhatter?

trivia ?…anyone know where the expression comes from?

Erwin's cat

August 15th, 2012
7:13 pm

geeez….. Rand is no more important than Bill Mahar

josef

August 15th, 2012
7:13 pm

ERWIN’S

I was reading one of those “origin” lists the other day and that was one of them…I can’t remember. Fill me in…

DemNewsNetwork

August 15th, 2012
7:13 pm

So yesterday Biden didn’t know what state he’s in, and today he doesn’t know what century he’s in (which makes sense considering he apparently loves bringing up slavery references). Joey is a walking, breathing comedy sketch. He’s starting to look, and act, like that scary old preacher in Poltergeist 2: delusional and not of this world, let alone in it.

Okay all who are enjoying their record high beef prices raise your hands and blame Bush and the GOP!

And who’s the genius in the GOP who agreed to allow left wing DNC shills like Candy Crowely in the main stream media to moderate the debates? Did Democrats threaten a melt down tantrum if a Fox News moderator like Brit Hume or Chris Wallace was selected? I can already see how it will start out:

Candy Crowley to Governor Romney: “Governor, why won’t you release all your tax records and please tie that in with Bain Capital and your vision for America’s future on tax cuts for the rich.”

Candy Crowley to President Obama: “Mr. President, what was your favorite movie from this past summer and what did Michelle and the kids have for dinner last night?”

JamVet

August 15th, 2012
7:14 pm

Doomy, that’s about what I thought.

“…where’d Rags get off to?”

Riches?

Good one, jo.

F. Sinkwich

August 15th, 2012
7:14 pm

“So Paul Ryan was influenced by Ayn Rand’s teachings…”

So O’bozo was influenced by Wright’s, Ayers’, Alinsky’s, etc., teachings…

What’s your point?

josef

August 15th, 2012
7:14 pm

ERWIN’S

“Rand is no more important than Bill Mahar”

And about as dumb…

Lucifer

August 15th, 2012
7:16 pm

Hey, what’s all this ripping of Ayn Rand. She can’t be all bad — she disbelieves in god. Anyway, Ryan has assured Obama a second term. In the words of the great Oracle herself, Ayn (stop it, Ann) Coulter, “We can either nominate Chris Christie and win, or nominate Mitt Romney and lose.” Well the prophet (profit) has spoken.

Erwin's cat

August 15th, 2012
7:17 pm

josef…the way i understand it (and i have never verified)…is

hatters back in the day used mercury to groom the felt (i think) hats and after over exposure thru the yrs the went “mad”

Ahem

August 15th, 2012
7:18 pm

Jackie

August 15th, 2012
6:53 pm
@Ahem

Is President Obama your uncle?

Damn if I know. Our family tree resembles a Bradford Pear tree after high wind. I doubt it though.

Here we go!

August 15th, 2012
7:18 pm

The number one Ayn Rand quote:

1. A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.

josef

August 15th, 2012
7:19 pm

ERWIN’S

That was it! Thanks…

Ahem

August 15th, 2012
7:21 pm

ODD OWL

August 15th, 2012
7:06 pm
The Romney/Ryan Republican scape goaters bitch and moan, bitch and moan, whine, whine, whine, just because President Obama and Vice President Biden hit them with a little heat… Well Mr. Romney/Ryan, what are you going to do when the POTUS and the Vice POTUS turn up the hellfire heat on you ??? Republicans, you need to listen up.. Y’all ain’t seen nothing yet…

I say, throw another log on the fire and then some gasoline, because is is clearly working against the Chicago thug and his dumba$$ sidekick.

Doggone/GA

August 15th, 2012
7:22 pm

“It’s too bad we’ve worn out “clueless.” That one seems to me to sum up Romney. I confess a certain sympathy for him. Ryan? All I want to do is slap that smug qu*en into next Tuesday”

Amen on both of those!

F. Sinkwich

August 15th, 2012
7:23 pm

“1. A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights”

Lib ilks think that government is the arbiter of rights…they luvs them some bureaucrats.

They know best!

Doggone/GA

August 15th, 2012
7:25 pm

“she can’t be all bad — she disbelieves in god. ”

Lucifer, on the other hand…did

Erwin's cat

August 15th, 2012
7:25 pm

josef….it was a parlay at a HazMat presentation several yrs ago..

i remember the hs (mid 70’s) sci teach passing a vial of mercury around the class so we could puch it around a desk and “play” with it…..an introduction to surface tension if you will….fast forwar…drop a thermoter and men in bunny suits show up

[...] The conflict is not in his beliefs on social issues, it is with his economic worldview. I will not overplay Ryan’s association with author Ayn Rand and her philosophical school of Objectivism, though in 2009 he said “I think Ayn Rand did more than anybody to build a moral case for capitalism, the morality of individualism, and this to me is what matters most.” (source) [...]

Doggone/GA

August 15th, 2012
7:27 pm

“drop a thermoter and men in bunny suits show up”

Check out Minamata disease

josef

August 15th, 2012
7:29 pm

DOGGONE

When I first saw that tag, I wondered if he had any idea of who and what Lucifer was in his origins in our Western tradition!

TaxPayer

August 15th, 2012
7:30 pm

My Dear Miss Ayn Rand,

You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: “You are inferior and all the improvements in your condition which you simply take for granted you owe to the effort of men who are better than you.”

Sincerely,
Ludwig von Mises

“It is not enough to say that President Obama’s taxes are too big or the health-care plan doesn’t work for this or that policy reason, It is the morality of what is occurring right now, and how it offends the morality of individuals working toward their own free will to produce, to achieve, to succeed, that is under attack, and it is that what I think Ayn Rand would be commenting on.” – Paul Ryan, 2009.

Erwin's cat

August 15th, 2012
7:31 pm

Doggone – ouch!

Thomas Heyward Jr.

August 15th, 2012
7:31 pm

“Well, Randian philosophy — “objectivism” they call it — is to my mind soft-headed, romantic claptrap that attempts vainly to masquerade as hard-headed, pragmatic economic theory. Its appeal is emotional, not intellectual.”
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As opposed to keynesianism or collectivism?
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lol.
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anyhow…………..Neo-Con(prog) Ryan WAS influenced by Rand. he was just not smart enough to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys.
As per his voting record……he’s a Wesley Mooch.(like most neo-libs,progs,parasites,gov.workers).
Definetly not a Henry Reardon.
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In closing…………..famous quotes….
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.” I meant “shackles………..not chains”
Joe Biden
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I still haven’t stopped laughing.

That Black Guy

August 15th, 2012
7:31 pm

Bernie

August 15th, 2012
6:58 pm
My Grandmother use to always say…” GOD does NOT like UGLY”
____________________________________________________
Your Grandmother used to *YELL* every other word?

I hope the family had her checked out.

josef

August 15th, 2012
7:32 pm

ERWIN’S
:-)

DOGGONE

Minamata disease? Sounds like something that afflicts the Indigenous Americans. don’t it?

marko

August 15th, 2012
7:33 pm

One thing I stumbled across about Ryan bothered me quite a bit. It seems that he almost single handedly swift boated Boehner and Obama’s grand bargain. It’s not that he did it, he has a right to oppose legislation he doesn’t feel is in country’s best interest. The problem stems from the fact that it wasn’t what motivated him. He was afraid that passing a compromise bill would enhance Obama’s popularity and ensure his re-election. Maybe I’m naïve, but I always thought that the needs of the country should come before partisan politics. Don’t we have people hurting out there? Maybe that’s why congress’s approval rating’s at an all time low.

josef

August 15th, 2012
7:34 pm

FORMAL LACK GUY

“Your Grandmother used to *YELL* every other word?”

Only when she was trying to communicate with S-gi-na!

Erwin's cat

August 15th, 2012
7:34 pm

JOSEF
yes :D
but never have seen you be so politically incorrect….dang…but i got a chuckle so shoot me

Fred ™

August 15th, 2012
7:39 pm

Its 13. I already put $200 down and am going to put another $300 down but I’m hoping it will drop to 11 or 12. If it doesn’t or even goes up I’m still plunking more down.

So Doomy, who is your QB? Any good receivers? How about running backs? I have no doubt whatsoever that Alabama crushes Michigan defensively, i just don’t know who you have on offense to score. Off hand I would take Bama and 13 but before I plunk down a grand, I wanna KNOW.

josef

August 15th, 2012
7:39 pm

ERWIN’S

Shoot! In my family if you stuck to politically correct, you’d never be able to say anything!

Fred ™

August 15th, 2012
7:40 pm

FORMAL LACK GUY

Why do I suspect that isn’t a typo? Shame on you Josef lol.

That Black Guy

August 15th, 2012
7:41 pm

josef

August 15th, 2012
7:34 pm
FORMAL LACK GUY

“Your Grandmother used to *YELL* every other word?”

Only when she was trying to communicate with S-gi-na!
______________________________________________
I don’t think it worked.

he’s still a ti-a-li-s-qua-ta-wo-gi (did I get it right?)

Soothsayer

August 15th, 2012
7:42 pm

While Jay’s article is well written and well thought-out, it matters naught because in just a few short days, Paul Ryan will join Sarah Palin, John McCain and all of the other Fright-Wing nutcases who thought they knew it all.

In fact, the Fright-Wing and the entire RepugNOwecan’t party are facing marginalization because of their extreme views and 30-year, failed economic policies which we cannot seem to escape no matter how hard we try.

Like Ann Coulter says, there may never be another RepugNOwecan’t president elected — ever. And, you know what? You have only yourselves and your far-out extremist views to thank for it.

Fred ™

August 15th, 2012
7:44 pm

Wow Soothsayer, you used a parcel full of ignorant spelling slams in that 7:42. But I have to admit that “Fright Wing” made me laugh my ass off for it’s authenticity………

Erwin's cat

August 15th, 2012
7:44 pm

josef

same here, if you weren’t born w/ thick skin….you developed it

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 15th, 2012
7:44 pm

Like Ann Coulter says, there may never be another RepugNOwecan’t president elected — ever.

Ann Coulter’s been wrong before, no doubt she’ll be wrong on this too.

That Black Guy

August 15th, 2012
7:45 pm

Recon 0311 2533

August 15th, 2012
7:47 pm

What unadulterated tripe. Ayn Rand rejected communism rooted in the Karl Marx and the Bolshevik revolution. She embraced the free market Capitalist system that made this country great. Ryan agrees with her in that regard but not her complete philosophy. The Bookman Bolsheviks seem to be terrified of Ryan as well they should as you begin to see recent polls, which aren’t too favorable to their head Bolshevik.

Fred ™

August 15th, 2012
7:48 pm

Hey black Guy: How you been? Meant to say hi earlier before you left. Sorry.

Fred ™

August 15th, 2012
7:48 pm

that would be Black Guy not black Guy. Sorry.

Doggone/GA

August 15th, 2012
7:49 pm

“When I first saw that tag, I wondered if he had any idea of who and what Lucifer was in his origins in our Western tradition!”

From what he posted, I’d say probably not!

JGJ

August 15th, 2012
7:49 pm

Rand was right. We have reached the point where looters outnumber producers. Our future as a capitalistic society looks bleak if this direction is not reversed. Europe is proof that Socialism does not work.

Thomas Heyward Jr.

August 15th, 2012
7:50 pm

Top ten reasons why the Mafia is better than the State————
From a Great Patriot.Emily Sandblade——————–
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Reason Number 10: The Mafia has a sense of honor. If they say that they will do something, they
stick to it. Nobody in the government has a clue what a sense of honor is. If they say that they will do
something, you can count on it only if you’re getting screwed.
Reason Number 9: The Mafia code of conduct is simple and clear, and unfettered by legal
doublespeak and millions of regulations.
Reason Number 8: When competing Mafia families go to war, they don’t kill hundreds of thousands
of civilians as “collateral damage.” War is the health of the state, but for the Mafia, it’s bad for business.
Reason Number 7: Instead of conducting the war on drugs and the American people, the Mafia is
perfectly happy to peacefully provide high-quality products to those who desire them.
Reason Number 6: When you buy protection from the Mafia, you get protection. The Mafia has a
good track record for limiting violent crime in the areas that they protect. When you buy protection
from the state, you can dial 911 and die.
Reason Number 5: The Mafia’s protection is much less expensive than the state’s. The Mafia wants
ten or fifteen percent of your profits, while the various levels of government will try to snatch at least
40 to 50 percent of your profits.
Reason Number 4: Unlike the state, the Mafia wants your business to succeed. They know that
ruining your business means that you can’t pay for protection. The Mafia imposes almost no regulatory
overhead, nor do they require that you waste your time filling out zillions of self-incriminating tax
forms.
Reason Number 3: The Mafia won’t keep you from having a gun to protect yourself and your
property. The state prefers that you be disarmed. The Mafia will gladly sell you the means to protect
yourself and they won’t bother with a Brady check, either.
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Reason Number 2: The state wants to regulate what you do in your bedroom. The Mafia not only
does not want to regulate what you do in your bedroom, they will gladly sell you whatever you need to
enhance your enjoyment.
And the number one reason why the Mafia should replace the state:
Members of the Mafia have a great sense of style, dress far better than government bureaucrats, and are
much easier on the eyes.
So there you have it.

Doggone/GA

August 15th, 2012
7:50 pm

“Minamata disease? Sounds like something that afflicts the Indigenous Americans. don’t it?”

Not this time. It affected a large number of people in Minamata, Japan

Fred ™

August 15th, 2012
7:51 pm

Recon 0311 2533

August 15th, 2012
7:47 pm

What unadulterated tripe. Ayn Rand rejected communism rooted in the Karl Marx and the Bolshevik revolution. She embraced the free market Capitalist system that made this country great.
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REALLY? is THAT what that amped up Meth ho was saying? You loves you some drug addicts don’t you Del.

but could you please share with me the joys of unbridled capitalism? I mean other than slave labor, child labor, denuding forests, polluting the atmosphere and strip mining…….. I mean tell me the GOOD things.

Also could you share with us exactly when it was that America practiced “the free market Capitalist system that made this country great” as you put it? Because as far as my recollection, we ahve NEVER had that you silly deluded man.

TaxPayer

August 15th, 2012
7:52 pm

Paul Ryan should at least learn basic math before proclaiming himself to be an “economist”. He cannot even get his own numbers to add up.

Doggone/GA

August 15th, 2012
7:53 pm

“Because as far as my recollection, we ahve NEVER had that you silly deluded man”

The era of the Robber Barons was probably about as close as we’ve ever been.

Fred ™

August 15th, 2012
7:53 pm

JGJ

August 15th, 2012
7:49 pm

Rand was right. We have reached the point where looters outnumber producers. Our future as a capitalistic society looks bleak if this direction is not reversed. Europe is proof that Socialism does not work.
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And you are proof that the American Education system doesn’t work………

TaxPayer

August 15th, 2012
7:54 pm

Ayn Rand’s most quotable moment:

“Brother, can you spare a dime… bag.”

Donovan

August 15th, 2012
7:54 pm

Just came off of the news. Another Obama cabinet official is accused of wrong doing.

Janet Napolitano is accused of running her dept. like a sorority. Appointing and elevating females of no experience to positions that require qualified credentials.

Is there no end to the corruption of this regime? Another case of liberals in power who screw up everything they touch and another case of nation ruining. What you see is what you get.

Doggone/GA

August 15th, 2012
7:55 pm

“And you are proof that the American Education system doesn’t work………”

Let’s qualify that a bit to “doesn’t ALWAYS work”

bman

August 15th, 2012
7:56 pm

This capitalism thing has been kinda tough the last few years

Fred ™

August 15th, 2012
7:57 pm

Speaking of the Robber Barons (Del’s Heroes) Doggone, have you caught that show on AMC Hell on Wheels? It’s loosely based on that era. I watched the first season and now it’s back. Haven’t watched it yet, but thanks to On Demand I can lol.

Oh and thanks for the Minamata disease info. i looked it up. Talk about great timing. Sounds like something caused be Dels’ ‘free market capitalism.” These right wingers hear all this “great stuff’ on the radio but never actually check it out to see the truth behind it. Talk about scary………

Recon 0311 2533

August 15th, 2012
7:58 pm

Ah yes comrade Fred unable to present a position on this or for that matter anything actually by his own admission, instead throws out insults to make up for his lack of manliness. Enjoy another glass of loud mouth Fred and carry on.

getalife

August 15th, 2012
7:59 pm

del,

The commies are gone and were never here.

You cons should be investigated on you lack of patriotism after a collapse.

You might be traitors so lets start up the investigations.

Start acting like Americans before you accuse others of lies.

Fred ™

August 15th, 2012
7:59 pm

Donovan

August 15th, 2012
7:54 pm

Just came off of the news. Another Obama cabinet official is accused of wrong doing.

Janet Napolitano is accused of running her dept. like a sorority. Appointing and elevating females of no experience to positions that require qualified credentials.

Is there no end to the corruption of this regime? Another case of liberals in power who screw up everything they touch and another case of nation ruining. What you see is what you get.
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Is Scooter Libby still in JAIL? \

Your idea of corruption pales before actual corruption that results in CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.

Thanks for trying. I know with your limited IQ that was the best you could do so we’ll give you a booby prize…….

Doggone/GA

August 15th, 2012
7:59 pm

“Speaking of the Robber Barons (Del’s Heroes) Doggone, have you caught that show on AMC Hell on Wheels? It’s loosely based on that era”

Sorry, no. I’m not even sure we have that channel.

“Talk about scary………”

Amazingly scary…because I, too, played with mercury when I was young.

getalife

August 15th, 2012
8:01 pm

Capitalism works but needs to regulate greed that causes collapses.

Fred ™

August 15th, 2012
8:02 pm

bman

August 15th, 2012
7:56 pm

This capitalism thing has been kinda tough the last few years
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Yeah, ever since they passed them damn laws outlawing slavery and forced child labor. Or them other damn laws where “capitalists” were held responsible to the poisonong they did of OUR National lands and resources things just ain’t been the same.

It’s ok though bman, the republicans just moved to China for their slave labor, forced child labor, poisoning of the Earth, and paying of the officials. Business is back as usual. What’s your complaint? The super rich are making tons of money under the current system. Record profits. You don’t hear them complaining…….