Romney would cut Medicare AND never cut Medicare

Mitt Romney now calls it “extraordinary” that under his 10-year budget plan, President Obama has dared to reduce growth in Medicare spending by an estimated $716 billion. In comments today, Romney even pledged to restore that money as soon as possible if elected.

Romney’s top campaign surrogate, John Sununu, put it even more harshly today on CNN, alleging that the cuts in question have “gutted” Medicare and declaring that Obama “stole” the money in question.

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There are several interesting points to be made about those statements:

1.) Judging from Romney’s statements, he considers it morally wrong to cut future growth in Medicare spending. Yet in his public statements and on his campaign website, Romney also pledges to take action against the “unsustainable nature of existing entitlement obligation.” Such a claim is central to his critique of our current financial situation.

So … which is it? Does spending on Medicare need to be cut, or not? Romney cannot credibly campaign as the candidate willing to make the hard decisions about spending on entitlements while simultaneously ruling out hard decisions about spending on entitlements. I know that the man is a master of being on all sides of an issue, but this is ridiculous.

2.) On his campaign website, Romney says that his Medicare plan “almost precisely mirrors” the Medicare plan put forward by his running mate, U.S. Paul Ryan. Yet the Ryan plan also reduces projected 10-year growth in Medicare spending by that identical “extraordinary” “stolen” $716 billion contained in the Obama budget.

The difference is that in Ryan’s version, that’s just the starting point for Medicare reductions.

So again … which is it? Does that $716 billion reduction “gut” Medicare when proposed by Barack Obama, while even larger reductions proposed by Paul Ryan and endorsed by House Republicans do not gut said program?

3.) According to the Congressional Budget Office, the vast majority of the $716 billion in reduced Medicare spending under the Obama approach will not affect services delivered to Medicare beneficiaries. The natural and obvious question is, how could that be?

Here’s the answer: As CBO points out in a report dated July 24, hospitals, doctors and other Medicare service providers have agreed to accept $585 billion in lower Medicare payments over the next 10 years, with no reduction in service to Medicare beneficiaries. The service providers were willing to accept that reduction not because they felt charitable, but because under ObamaCare, they would be forced to provide much less free medical care to uninsured Americans. The tradeoff — lower Medicare reimbursements in return for providing much less uncompensated care — made financial sense to them.

As mentioned above, Sununu appeared on CNN today to discuss Medicare, the CBO report and the Obama spending reductions (see video below). During that discussion, the former New Hampshire governor became belligerent with host Soledad O’Brien, insisting that the Obama cuts “gutted” Medicare and directly reduced Medicare benefits. In particular, Sununu cited pages 13 and 14 of the CBO report to support his claim.

That report can be found here. Turn to pages 13 and 14, and you will find nothing to support the allegations that Sununu made. Instead, it lays out the facts as described above regarding payment reductions to Medicare service providers, not to beneficiaries.

All in all, the Romney/Ryan camp makes two shamelessly contradictory claims. It is attempting to position itself as the courageous champion of fiscal sanity willing to confront the problems of overspending on entitlements, while simultaneously condemning the Obama administration for making any reductions in entitlement spending whatsoever.

So again I ask: Which is it, gentlemen?

– Jay Bookman

559 comments Add your comment

Lord Help Us

August 14th, 2012
3:39 pm

The Romney camp knew this was coming when they selected Ryan.

I am amazed that their ’strategery’ to deal with something they knew was coming is this weak…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

August 14th, 2012
3:41 pm

“Romney camp makes contradictory claims”

Just another day in la la land.

Paul

August 14th, 2012
3:41 pm

Okay, okay, I’ve made cracks before about Romney looking like he’s stepped right out of central casting, but this topic reminded me that he did, in fact, have a substantial part in a notable movie playing…. himself!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJG75FJkjr8

josef

August 14th, 2012
3:41 pm

On TOPIC

Yawn….

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

August 14th, 2012
3:43 pm

“No gnu taxis.”
– John Sununu

kitty

August 14th, 2012
3:43 pm

I wonder how many Americans will actually hear the contradictions or just hear what they want to hear? The trying to be on all sides of every issue all at once by the Romney camp is something. and I thought in my Yoga class we got into twisted positions. Nothing compared to Romney…who knew he was a Yogi.

Logical Dude

August 14th, 2012
3:44 pm

We will keep all funding for Medicare! All the while growing the economy and boosting federal revenues to pay for it all! Really! You can TRUST us THIS time!

We will reduce the waste! We will reduce the budget by targeting Medicare! We will eliminate all those payments to people who don’t need any health care! Cut! Cut! Cut! We promise it THIS time!

Jay

August 14th, 2012
3:44 pm

Poor Josef … trapped in a policy discussion.

Lord Help Us

August 14th, 2012
3:45 pm

Romney strategy re: Medicare:

Obama actually cut medicare, we only PLAN on cutting medicare by much more…but we haven’t done it…yet. Therefore, Obama is much worse.

Or, Obama actually cut medicare…we are going to cut medicare by much more so we can SAVE medicare…

What a piss-poor state for the GOP…

Mr_B

August 14th, 2012
3:45 pm

To the Republicans, reducing payments to providers (doctors and hospital, particularly for-profit hospitals) is in fact “gutting” Medicare, since the health care system only exist to make money.

josef

August 14th, 2012
3:48 pm

PAUL

Charles Durning, imauo, is about one of the finest talents to have ever graced screen and stage!

ty webb

August 14th, 2012
3:48 pm

jay,
doesn’t this hypocrisy regarding “cutting medicare” apply to both campaigns?

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 14th, 2012
3:48 pm

To the Republicans, reducing payments to providers (doctors and hospital, particularly for-profit hospitals) is in fact “gutting” Medicare, since the health care system only exist to make money.

ding ding ding ding ding.

Jay, could you tell your librul lamestream/drive-by media friends that it’d be ok to call out Romney on this? Please? Pretty please with whipped cream and a cherry on top?

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 14th, 2012
3:49 pm

doesn’t this hypocrisy regarding “cutting medicare” apply to both campaigns?

reading. Try it sometime.

Aquagirl

August 14th, 2012
3:49 pm

trapped in a policy discussion.

Jay assumes there is an actual policy somewhere under Romney’s babble?

josef

August 14th, 2012
3:49 pm

IMAM

Seventh Circle of Dante’s Inferno! :-)

Matti

August 14th, 2012
3:50 pm

From what I’ve been able to glean from their nonsensical rants, it sure seems like Rmoney’s supporters don’t care either way.

He can flip, flop, cheat on his taxes, stash his cash overseas, outsource ALL the jobs, be for something before he’s against it, and strap as many dogs as he can fit onto the top of his wife’s two Cadillacs. Failing their ability to get Lockheed’s time machine working properly and go back to 2008, the only thing that matters to them is making “not Obama” happen in 2012.

Am I wrong?

stands for decibels (SfBA)

August 14th, 2012
3:51 pm

Turn to pages 13 and 14

I tried to, but every page of the pdf had “Honorable John Boehner” as a header and I couldn’t stomach it any more.

Jay

August 14th, 2012
3:51 pm

How so, Ty?

Certainly Dems are also capable of hypocrisy. But how so on this issue?

Joe Hussein Mama

August 14th, 2012
3:51 pm

Republicans are very bad at nuance. And at telling the truth. That’s why they look so ridiculous when they do either one.

I want to hear more from Sununu; he’s screwing up Romney’s policy statements just GREAT all by himself. :D

Paul

August 14th, 2012
3:54 pm

josef

That he is. One reason I like live theatre – even with notable screen actors – it’s an entirely different feel.

Now about the topic… aren’t you pleased as punch Romney’s going to address runaway costs in the insolvent Medicare system by increasing Medicare spending and reducing taxes?

Mr. Holmes

August 14th, 2012
3:54 pm

The modern GOP has reached a point where “truth” or “facts” genuinely do not matter; they are irrelevant to the strategy, which is to achieve headlines and win news cycles. The media does not call them out for fear of being “unbalanced,” and 35% of the electorate either agree with the strategy or do not care about facts themselves, or both.

The sad thing is the strategy will win them many elections, even including this presidential race. I think they face an uphill climb for any number of reasons, but by no means are they out of the race. It’s a shame.

Common Sense

August 14th, 2012
3:54 pm

And yet anytime the Republicans tried to slow the growth of any program, liberals en masse screamed they were cutting the programs….

That’s the hypocrisy.

godless heathen

August 14th, 2012
3:55 pm

Medicare service providers have agreed to accept $585 billion in lower Medicare payments over the next 10 years, with no reduction in service to Medicare beneficiaries

I hope they got that in writing.

Fearful!

August 14th, 2012
3:55 pm

Thank you Jay! I saw it this morning and was blown away by how Sununu was arguing the point with Soledad when there is proof to the contrary. Are the republicans that afraid that they have to send out attackers that can’t even tellt he truth? Un-freakin-believable!
Oh, and why didn’t Ryan go to Fla. with Romney? Medicare questions might be too hard to answer?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 14th, 2012
3:56 pm

with no reduction in service to Medicare beneficiaries
with no reduction in service to Medicare beneficiaries
with no reduction in service to Medicare beneficiaries
with no reduction in service to Medicare beneficiaries
with no reduction in service to Medicare beneficiaries
with no reduction in service to Medicare beneficiaries
with no reduction in service to Medicare beneficiaries
with no reduction in service to Medicare beneficiaries
with no reduction in service to Medicare beneficiaries
with no reduction in service to Medicare beneficiaries
with no reduction in service to Medicare beneficiaries

wash, rinse, repeat

Joe Hussein Mama

August 14th, 2012
3:56 pm

C. Sense — “And yet anytime the Republicans tried to slow the growth of any program, liberals en masse screamed they were cutting the programs…. That’s the hypocrisy.”

Then maybe you can understand why the Romney camp simultaneously saying ‘we’re NEVER going to cut Medicare’ and ‘we’re gonna CUT Medicare’ is so hypocritical.

josef

August 14th, 2012
3:56 pm

PAUL

Are you asking me to move from the Seventh to Fifth circle? :-)

Adam

August 14th, 2012
3:57 pm

They really do think they can lie, even cite PAGE NUMBERS, and still win. They think no one is checking up on claims anymore, or that if claims are checked up on they can just cite Heritage which will head-nod at anything said and make up phony charts and numbers to support it OR will use correct numbers, while ignoring some other crucial element, and making charts and entire opinion out of that.

Paul

August 14th, 2012
3:57 pm

Progress, josef, progress…..

off to the gym, see you later -

Joe Hussein Mama

August 14th, 2012
3:57 pm

Fearful — “Thank you Jay! I saw it this morning and was blown away by how Sununu was arguing the point with Soledad when there is proof to the contrary. Are the republicans that afraid that they have to send out attackers that can’t even tellt he truth? Un-freakin-believable!”

Sununu was doing the same thing last night on Chris Matthews’ show, and Matthews pressed him on it and didn’t buy his bulldada.

Jay

August 14th, 2012
3:58 pm

To the degree that’s true, Common — and it does have some truth to it — you could call it irresponsible perhaps, but not hypocritical, since it is consistent with Democratic rhetoric.

Down in Albany

August 14th, 2012
3:58 pm

Medicaid is an entitlement. Medicare is NOT. How many people pay a part of their wages so they can receive Medicaid? Zero.

Darwin

August 14th, 2012
3:59 pm

Common Sense – If the Repubs are scared of the liberals, what’s different this time?

JP

August 14th, 2012
4:00 pm

Not many people have called out Paul Ryan’s fake deficit hawk persona. The guy voted for all the Bush tax cuts, the wars, the bailouts, the Medicare expansion, and somehow because he puts together a “courageous plan” people think he’s a fiscal conservative…

Joe Hussein Mama

August 14th, 2012
4:00 pm

Adam — “They really do think they can lie, even cite PAGE NUMBERS, and still win. They think no one is checking up on claims anymore, or that if claims are checked up on they can just cite Heritage which will head-nod at anything said and make up phony charts and numbers to support it OR will use correct numbers, while ignoring some other crucial element, and making charts and entire opinion out of that.”

Dude, it’s in your BOOK.

–Rachel Maddow

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_12/021365.php

BS Aplenty

August 14th, 2012
4:00 pm

Medicare is bankrupt and the Obama Administration seeks to impose a global Medicare/Medicaid burden on all of us. I can’t plumb the illogic. We can’t control costs for a small(er) government healthcare program like Medicare/Medicaid but we CAN control costs if it becomes a mammoth government healthcare program called ObamaCare. YES, WE CAN.

No you won’t.

sam

August 14th, 2012
4:00 pm

talking out of both sides of his mouth, its what Mitt does best. he”ll tell us what he really believes some time in the future. what a clown

Down in Albany

August 14th, 2012
4:00 pm

Hey Matti @ 3:50. Romney’s dog was on the roof. Obama’s dog was on the menu!

ty webb

August 14th, 2012
4:01 pm

My point being that both sides are calling it “cuts” to medicare, despite the fact that both project increases in medicare spending.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 14th, 2012
4:02 pm

This Sununu?
Sununu repaid over $47,000 to the government for the flights on the orders of White House counsel C. Boyden Gray, with the help of the Republican Party.[21] However, the reimbursements were at commercial rates, which are about one-tenth the cost of the actual flights; one ski trip to Vail, Colorado alone had cost taxpayers $86,330.[22]

Jeffrey

August 14th, 2012
4:02 pm

The timing is amazing. The Romney camps response is appallingly pathetic. I’m grinning ear to ear.

SPC

August 14th, 2012
4:02 pm

OK, what is Obama’s plan to deal with medicare and medicaid entitlements? It seems to me that Ryan has put forth a legitimate proposal. What is the administration’s proposal? Instead of everyone calling each other liars, what are the respective proposals? Can we see a simple side-by-side comparison of the proposals and the cost impacts?

DannyX

August 14th, 2012
4:02 pm

“And yet anytime the Republicans tried to slow the growth of any program, liberals en masse screamed they were cutting the programs….”

Like when Bush signed into law (And Paul Ryan voted YES on) the bill that expanded Medicare by creating the unfunded Medicare Part D drug program?

Goldie

August 14th, 2012
4:02 pm

Jay, are you sayin’ that Ole Mitt is wishy-washy in just about all of his policies for the past decade? My my — who woulda thunk a man like that could make it all the way thru the GOP debates and not get outed for being so wishy-washy…and the Cons voted for him… hmmmm.

:)

Bernie

August 14th, 2012
4:03 pm

Something tells me that the Baptizer Of The Dead…and the Oscar Meyer Wiener Driver have a bitten off a little more than they can chew! The Get GRANDMA Plan does not seem to be as workable as it was on Sat morning in Norfolk.

All together now:

Ohhhh! how i wish i were an oscar mayer wiener, that is what i’d truly like to be
and if i were an oscar mayer wiener, everyone would be in love with me

ty webb

August 14th, 2012
4:03 pm

and I probably should’ve used “contradiction” instead of “hypocrisy” in my first comment.

Joe Hussein Mama

August 14th, 2012
4:03 pm

F. McCool — “This Sununu?”

That’s the guy.

That Black Guy

August 14th, 2012
4:04 pm

Jay, why did my 11:28 downstairs get moderated?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

August 14th, 2012
4:04 pm

oh, that’s Wikipedia by the way.

sam

August 14th, 2012
4:05 pm

as for Sununu, he’s just happy to have a job. he hasnt mattered to anyone for almost 20 years. i suspect he’s looking to score a nightly ‘expert’ opinion on some fox show, or better yet a talk radio program.

TaxPayer

August 14th, 2012
4:08 pm

Clearly, the problem here is that Sununu’s glasses are not covered under Obamacare and it shows. Can one of you conned read those pages to him.

Darwin

August 14th, 2012
4:08 pm

Just think about this. If we turn Medicare into a voucher system, then the elderly will shoulder most of the costs for their healthcare. They will becomes just like the rest of the population that won’t buy health insurance. But this group of people are, like, really close to death. So, without health insurance (because they’re elderly and can’t afford it), they end up in the emergency room. Guess who pays for it? You got it, people with health insurance premiums and tax payers. So, what do you save when you eliminate your Medicare taxes? You get more of your existing taxes going to healthcare, and your premiums go up and your deductibles to up to pay for the uninsured elderly. Catch 22!

sam

August 14th, 2012
4:08 pm

matti, you would appear to be correct.

That Black Guy

August 14th, 2012
4:10 pm

Bernie

August 14th, 2012
4:03 pm
Something tells me that the Baptizer Of The Dead…and the Oscar Meyer Wiener Driver have a bitten off a little more than they can chew! The Get GRANDMA Plan does not seem to be as workable as it was on Sat morning in Norfolk.

All together now:

Ohhhh! how i wish i were an oscar mayer wiener, that is what i’d truly like to be
and if i were an oscar mayer wiener, everyone would be in love with me
_________________________________________________________________
How old are you?

JamVet

August 14th, 2012
4:10 pm

Yep, tis true.

Ayn Ryan voted to let the biggest F Up in modern American history go on his Crusades.

That alone is reason enough to send him back to the Wisconsin chickenhawk cage that he crawled out of…

martin the calvinist

August 14th, 2012
4:11 pm

I don’t see how both parties are going to “save” Medicare. I say end it entirely, it’s full of bloated waste and poorly underfunded. But liberals think all you have to do is raise taxes on those who make 200,000/250,000 jointly, end oil subsidies, cut 55 billion a year in defense spending, raise the corporate tax rate and estate tax rate and wala, the Federal gov’t is full of cash to “save” Medicare. Rather niave if I do say so myself!

Rightwing Troll

August 14th, 2012
4:12 pm

This is how I imagine a Romney campaign meeting goes down:

http://youtu.be/gOaCD_JNgkA

They’s misoginated…

josef

August 14th, 2012
4:12 pm

FORMAL BLACK GUY

Bernie’s senile…

Joe Hussein Mama

August 14th, 2012
4:13 pm

M. Calvinist — “liberals think all you have to do is raise taxes on those who make 200,000/250,000 jointly, end oil subsidies, cut 55 billion a year in defense spending, raise the corporate tax rate and estate tax rate and wala, the Federal gov’t is full of cash to “save” Medicare.”

I’ll take “Total Bulldada” for $1000, Alex. :D

ByteMe - Political thug

August 14th, 2012
4:13 pm

In a way you have to start feeling bad about the Republican Party. Here they have a candidate who should basically be able to take the fight to Obama and instead they get a congenital liar. And then they’re stuck defending his lies as being somehow “better” than the supposed lies of the other side.

Ok, I don’t really fell bad for them. They brought it on themselves.

Joe Hussein Mama

August 14th, 2012
4:13 pm

R. W. Troll — “They’s misoginated…”

Does it involve a fiery cross and a certain secret society? :D

Adam

August 14th, 2012
4:14 pm

martin: I don’t think either are going to “save” it. First of all, I don’t think it really needs “saving” in the first place. It just needs a few tweaks, starting with not ADDING extra costs for no reason (Medicare Part D). It’s otherwise pretty well funded for many many years. Which is why tweaking will do it.

Congress isn’t going to go through 10 turnovers without addressing this, believe me.

JamVet

August 14th, 2012
4:15 pm

marty, the word is voila, not wala.

Unless you actually meant the small island in Vanuatu, in which case it should be capitalized!

DebbieDoRight - It's That Time Again -- WARDAMNEAGLE Baby!! WARDAMNEAGLE!!

August 14th, 2012
4:16 pm

Matti – True.

=================

The media does not call them out for fear of being “unbalanced,” and 35% of the electorate either agree with the strategy or do not care about facts themselves, or both.

The “media” is nothing more, (now), then a popularity contest. Gone are the days of Nelly Bly, Woodward and Bernstein. Nowadays getting to the truth takes backseat to holding on to ratings. And the saddest thing of all? Newspapers, (Marietta Daily comes to mind); who publicly declare that they’re “leaning to the right OR left”.

There isn’t any more “investigative reporting” done by many of the big papers nowadays — they mostly try to pander to whomever (left, right, middle, blind, crazy); will buy their paper or watch their shows.

They don’t care about the truth. Again, they don’t care about the truth. We saw that plainly and clearly by the lead-up to the Iraqi Invasion. Not one prime time reporter ever tried to interview Cheney, et al.; without their pre-approved by the Administration’s, talking points list.

It’s pathetic. The founding fathers gave us a right to a free press. And that press has sold us out to the highest bidder.

Dawg'88

August 14th, 2012
4:16 pm

What is appalling is that Obama and his cronies favor dismembering the unborn.
Can’t deny it. Anyone who supports the dismembering of God’s children is unfit for
office. Obama….The face of the Culture of Death.

Obama….The Abortion President!

Get Real

August 14th, 2012
4:16 pm

Obama has already cut 500 billion from Medicare, where is your article on that Jay…

sam

August 14th, 2012
4:17 pm

really jamvet?

Butch Cassidy (I)

August 14th, 2012
4:17 pm

In all fairness, it wasn’t really a fair interview for Sununu. He’s used to being on FOX where he is able to ramble on and on unchallanged until the station needs to go to a commercial. On CNN he was actually challanged by Soledad, which tends to make crazy people come unglued. :)

sam

August 14th, 2012
4:18 pm

while we’re on this whole medicare topic, i dont see what the big deal with saving the seniors is any way. i mean they dont pay taxes or create any jobs….

Butch Cassidy (I)

August 14th, 2012
4:18 pm

Dawg88 – “Obama….The Abortion President!”

That should attract a good number of women voters for Obama, why don’t you put it on a bumper sticker?

JamVet

August 14th, 2012
4:21 pm

Really, sam.

88. the brilliant George Carlin butchered (get it?) you Republicans on your pro-life garbage…

Bernie

August 14th, 2012
4:21 pm

Jay, someone needs to check on KYLE. He is drinking again! an excessive inordinate amount of Republican Kool-aid that is making him go further off into the deep end!

President Obama until 2016 followed FINALLY, BY AMERICA’S FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT! – President Hillary Clinton.

What are the Republicans and Tea Partiers too DO? :) Maybe MITT will run AGAIN?
He certainly has the BUCKS to do it!

Butch Cassidy (I)

August 14th, 2012
4:22 pm

Dawg88 – “Dawg88 – “Obama….The Abortion President!””

Hey, as long as your alienating a large voting bloc, why don’t you make another bumper sticker that reads ” Romney/Ryan….. The Vaginal Probe Candidates”

Goldie

August 14th, 2012
4:22 pm

“Obama has already cut 500 billion from Medicare”

Correct, you just need to complete your sentence with “cuts in payments to drug companies and hospitals, not cuts to Medicare recipients and benefits.”

There, now that’s more like the TRUTH — but you Cons wouldn’t know about TRUTH, would ya?

:)

Jay

August 14th, 2012
4:22 pm

TBG, I assume that post was moderated automatically because of one or more of the terms that you used regarding black people.

Joe Hussein Mama

August 14th, 2012
4:22 pm

G. Real — “Obama has already cut 500 billion from Medicare, where is your article on that Jay…”

Read the effing blog post, N00B.

Michael

August 14th, 2012
4:23 pm

Government funded health insurance took its biggest discretionary hit when we invaded Iraq. The future cost of caring for disabled veterans has been estimated to be over $1 trillion.
One of the most publicized additions to medical costs lately has been the victims of mass shootings. This issue could be addressed by requiring insurance for purchasers of guns and bullets. It could be no-fault insurance, so a mentally disturbed person buying a gun would share the cost of his mayhem with the other buyers of guns and ammo.
Another big factor in increasing medical costs is obesity. Maybe we should require the makers of 2,000 calory meals to buy no-fault insurance. Then, they would be creating a fund to treat the diabetics and other problems associated with our growing obesity problem.
The administrative cost of medicare is less than half the administrative cost of private insurance. I don’t see that being evidence of a wasteful program.
Ryan has benefited from a single payer government health insurance program for most of his working life. If that works for him he should recommend we join him.

Jay

August 14th, 2012
4:23 pm

Get Real, this IS my article about that.

Fearful!

August 14th, 2012
4:23 pm

Do I have this right? So Ryan’s plan will not gut Medicare, because under Ryan’s plan you have to be under 55 before it is gutted, but it’s not really gutted, if your over 55? But it doesn’t really matter because it’s not Ryan’s plan we are working with, it is Romney’s plan? But it’s still not gutted because under Obama’s plan it is reducing the GROWTH of medicare which to Romeny means it is gutted, but under Romeny’s plan… what is Romney’s plan? Clear as mud to me!

Rightwing Troll

August 14th, 2012
4:23 pm

JHM – Yes… yes it does…

TaxPayer

August 14th, 2012
4:23 pm

sam has a good point. Let the Republicans have the elderly white meat currently on Medicare instead of limiting them to the up and coming that are currently 55 or younger. Maybe they can upgrade the school menus on the cheap and give their creators their tax cuts at the same time without borrowing any extra money. It’s a win-win-win.

DebbieDoRight - It's That Time Again -- WARDAMNEAGLE Baby!! WARDAMNEAGLE!!

August 14th, 2012
4:24 pm

Give it a break Dawg88 — and do me a favor and change your name to Dawg88 (Bugtussle Junior High Bulldawgs Class of ‘88, 89, 90, 91, 91…)
I can’t believe you actually GRADUATED from a college that wasn’t discredited for contributing to the delinquency of an idgit.

ByteMe - Political thug

August 14th, 2012
4:25 pm

what is Romney’s plan? Clear as mud to me!

And Romney claims not to drink.

Maybe he should start. His many positions might make more sense if you think of him as the genial drunk.

Goldie

August 14th, 2012
4:25 pm

Dawg88 must be Pro-fetus and not Pro-woman. Whatever — just another Con! :)

Jefferson

August 14th, 2012
4:26 pm

The only thing Romney is going to get to cut is the check to the caterer. You ingrates will throw him under his own bus.

Tom(Independent Viet Vet,USAF)

August 14th, 2012
4:26 pm

Nice try Jay, but this election will be about JOBS, JOBS, and the ECONOMY, ECONOMY!!!!!!!!!! Try to keep confusing people about social issues is what libs are all about!

martin the calvinist

August 14th, 2012
4:27 pm

thanks Jamvet, voila. Joe Hussein Mama, I haven’t met a liberal yet in my circle that believes raising taxes will not help the gov’t do what they think gov’t should do…..Adam, I disagree, the Medicare trustees have stated Medicare goes broke in 2024, I believe I heard that on CBS radio…it needs a major overhaul. I agree with you on one point, the persciption drug plan was a gross expansion of gov’t spending and Bush shouldn’t have done that….

DebbieDoRight - It's That Time Again -- WARDAMNEAGLE Baby!! WARDAMNEAGLE!!

August 14th, 2012
4:27 pm

There, now that’s more like the TRUTH — but you Cons wouldn’t know about TRUTH, would ya?

They wouldn’t know the truth if it bit them on their cold dead hearts….

Fognog2

August 14th, 2012
4:28 pm

You liberals are going to be in for a big shock in November. I hate to tell you but your cult leader is going to be leaving the white house.

ByteMe - Political thug

August 14th, 2012
4:28 pm

but this election will be about JOBS, JOBS, and the ECONOMY, ECONOMY!!!!!!!!!!

Nope. At this point, it’s going to be about “who do you trust more?”

And for independents, it’s turning out to be the guy who isn’t on every side of an issue. Republicans lose again because they can’t find credible candidates.

ty webb

August 14th, 2012
4:29 pm

politicians arguing semantics in order to out scare/promise “grandma”…it’s just so outrageous when the other side does it.

ByteMe - Political thug

August 14th, 2012
4:29 pm

You liberals are going to be in for a big shock in November. I hate to tell you but your cult leader is going to be leaving the white house.

InTrade is ready to take your money.

Bernie

August 14th, 2012
4:30 pm

Ryan’s new song…… After learning since Sat, that the GET GRANDMA PLAN is not
such a good idea after all!

“Oh, I’m glad I’m not an Oscar Meyer wiener
that is what I’d never want to be
’cause if I were an Oscar Meyer wiener
everyone would take a bite of me.”

DannyX

August 14th, 2012
4:30 pm

“Clear as mud to me!”

Its as if Republicans are wearing mud covered glasses.

Tom(Independent Viet Vet,USAF)

August 14th, 2012
4:30 pm

Butch@4:17 – Does anyone still watch CNN, I thought they were going out of business due to ratings?

ragnar danneskjold

August 14th, 2012
4:31 pm

Dear Jay, I respectfully suggest you fell into the Obamaniac trap – the CBO claim that doctors “agreed” to accept $585 billion in medicare “cuts” with no reduction of service. Needless to say, not a single one of those doctors has signed any such contract. The number arises only from an assurance by the head of the AMA, who has a similar authority in herding cats. The claim is both facially-illusory and unlikely.

I perceive you now concede the fact of $600+ billion of Obama cuts in medicare funding. I think you understand that cuts in funding may well be directly-related to the quality of service seniors will receive, and that the quality is likely to degrade on a logarithmic scale over time.

You are yet to acknowledge that Ryan’s plan – which was seemingly the blueprint for Romney’s plan – preserves medicare as is for all over age 55, and creates an option for those under age 55. We understand options for the rabble are anathema to leftists, but most normal people appreciate free choice.

Parsing the Romney and Ryan medicare plans

Goldie

August 14th, 2012
4:31 pm

So Tom — maybe you can explain where all the JOBS, JOBS went since 2001, with W’s 2 tax cuts going to the wealthiest “job creators”??? Go ahead and explain how more tax cuts to millionaires are suddenly going to make those JOBS, JOBS a reality for America, when it’s never worked yet…

:)

Joe Hussein Mama

August 14th, 2012
4:31 pm

M. Calvinist — “I haven’t met a liberal yet in my circle that believes raising taxes will not help the gov’t do what they think gov’t should do…..”

Well, then, by all means, don’t actually *talk* to any of us. Just generally make crap up about us and rant happily along. That way, you won’t have to actually do any thinking when reality collides with your imagination.

martin the calvinist

August 14th, 2012
4:31 pm

Debbie do right, 45-7….Go Dawgs! look for more of the same this year, soft willie martinez is coaching y’all secondary….snicker, snicker