Under Ryan plan, Romney tax rate would be 1 (as in one) %
You want to know what the election is about? Here’s what the election is about:
“The tax plan proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.), the newly minted GOP vice presidential candidate, would have slashed Mitt Romney’s effective tax rate to about 1 percent in 2010, based on Romney’s tax return that year, according to a Roll Call analysis.
The Ryan tax cut, which would shave about 90 percent off of Romney’s tax bill, would result from the Wisconsin Republican’s “Roadmap for America’s Future” proposal to eliminate taxes on capital gains, dividends and interest. Since about 95 percent of Romney’s $21.6 million income came from those sources in 2010, he would pay no taxes on the vast majority of his earnings. It’s not certain exactly how low Romney’s tax bill would go, but his income from other sources amounts to about $1 million, and Ryan’s plan would set a new top rate of 25 percent. Romney’s total tax bill would have dropped from the $3 million that he paid to a few hundred thousand dollars if Ryan’s plan had been in effect.
Ryan also proposes eliminating the estate tax, which would benefit Romney’s heirs by tens of millions of dollars.”
If you can take Ryan’s plan, apply it to Romney’s 2010 tax return, and come up with any other conclusion, please do so. Otherwise, this stands as the perfect illustration of what Ryan, Romney and their fellow Republicans hope to accomplish in office, and what values drive their policy choices. Slash Medicaid, slash Medicare and slash Mitt Romney’s taxes to almost nothing, while raising them on the lowest-earning 30 percent of Americans.
– Jay Bookman
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Joe Hussein Mama
August 13th, 2012
11:40 am
Ahem — “Our water service is provided by a quasi-government entity in the form of a Water and Sewer Authority.”
Then that’s not really a *private* venture, now is it?
getalife
August 13th, 2012
11:40 am
joey,
willie’s tax plan raises taxes on you 2000 a year.
Look it up con.
Paul
August 13th, 2012
11:41 am
Joseph
” I’m not shwoing you mine until you show me yours.”
Show yours first.
It’s worth it…..
yuzeyurbrane
August 13th, 2012
11:41 am
Am I also expected to say “thank you” after being bent over and violated?
getalife
August 13th, 2012
11:42 am
willie said he has his own plan and will not use the ryan plan so……….
zeke
August 13th, 2012
11:43 am
kinda makes you wonder why repubs who think they have the right message are trying to suppress the vote?
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 13th, 2012
11:43 am
Paul – 11:41 – hey, as my dad always says, “it ain’t braggin’ if it’s true”
Doggone/GA
August 13th, 2012
11:43 am
“So are you saying you favor TRIPLE TAXATION on those choosing to invest rather than spend?”
Since that’s not happening, it’s a false question
getalife
August 13th, 2012
11:43 am
“Am I also expected to say “thank you” after being bent over and violated?”
If you like it, yes.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 13th, 2012
11:44 am
Some of these Ryan budget defenders remind of P. T. Barnum’s “There’s one born every minute”.
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
11:44 am
Paul:
Again I told you. Ryan wants fairness. Should the gubmint be able to tax you twice? Thats the question for you libs….
Adam
August 13th, 2012
11:45 am
Romney has already paid taxes on his money has he not?
This is looking increasingly unlikely.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
August 13th, 2012
11:46 am
“This is looking increasingly unlikely”
Not intended to be factual statement..
barking frog
August 13th, 2012
11:47 am
The Ryan plan is a pipe
dream that will not happen
even if Romney/Ryan get
elected twice and Ryan/?
get elected twice. Romney/
Ryan will gut medicare/
medicaid and end abortion
is the plan that will be voted
on in November.
No Artificial Flavors
August 13th, 2012
11:47 am
Bottom line folks, Mitt Romney is wealthy. I would rather have a wealthy man stand for election than a poor person. Unfortunately, in this country a middle class person cannot be elected to any office higher than city council. And yes, our current President is wealthy too.
TaxPayer
August 13th, 2012
11:48 am
Joseph claimed that Ryan’s plan did not call for a capital gains tax rate of zero and that claim of his has been proven to be false.
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
11:49 am
Well I got news for ya libs. Even if you don’t like the Ryan plan get ready for it. Come January it will be the law of the land just like Obamacare was forced on us….
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 13th, 2012
11:49 am
Good ol’ Luckovich…
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/?cxntlid=sldr_hm
Paul
August 13th, 2012
11:49 am
Joseph 11:44
You’ve moved the goalposts again.
First it was the elements in Jay’s post were lies.
You did not say why.
Then it was Ryan did not call for elimination of capital gains. When his Roadmap was pointed out, you said he wants ‘fairness’ and would not say which capital gains rate Ryan favors. Do you even know?
Now you’re onto how many times are earnings taxes.
_____________________________________
This is the pattern: make an assertion, when asked to back it up, use generalities like ‘fairness’ and asset the other person is wrong, then introduce a new topic (move the goalposts).
Joe Hussein Mama
August 13th, 2012
11:49 am
Doggone — “Want an example of TRUE “double taxation”? How about this: when my wages are paid to me I am taxed on them. Then when I spend them at a store I am taxed AGAIN on the money I’ve already paid taxes on.”
Don’t take them there. That sounds too much like you’re dissing T3h FARE TAXX and their heads will asplode if you connect it to ‘double taxation.’
Ahem
August 13th, 2012
11:49 am
Enough.
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
11:50 am
TaxPayer:
Not according to the actual document. I provided a link and it couldn’t be pointed out…
Lord Help Us
August 13th, 2012
11:50 am
‘Joseph claimed that Ryan’s plan did not call for a capital gains tax rate of zero and that claim of his has been proven to be false.’
I think he called it a ‘lie.’ And lots posters ‘liars.’
His standards for others are obviously higher than for himself…a common con trait…
DannyX
August 13th, 2012
11:51 am
td and Joseph keep saying…
“Thank you sir may I have another.”
Adam
August 13th, 2012
11:51 am
Joseph: If you get right down to it, all money is taxed more than once somewhere along the line. But if we are talking about income (personal income) here is what should happen:
-Government taxes the incoming amount per year at a rate determined by brackets, like the progressive income tax does on most people.
-Any income invested should not be taxed, but any gains on that income should be, at the rate of the progressive tax system. In other words, if you invest 1 million and you get back over 250k somehow, your money gets taxed at the rates nearly all the way up the chain, first 7k or so is 10%, next is 15%, next amount 25%, and so on. This is NOT to be separated from your regular income (i.e. if you made 1 dollar in regular income and $250,000, your tax rates would be in the progressive tax system on $250,001, NOT tax the $1, then tax the $250,000 as though it is somehow separate)
What does NOT happen now is that last part. Instead, gains are taxed at a flat rate, separate of other income.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 13th, 2012
11:51 am
“Even if you don’t like the Ryan plan get ready for it”
really???
and who from the Romney camp said that he would IMPLEMENT IT???
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm???
A Romney spokeswoman over the weekend said the candidate “applauds” Ryan’s ideas, but Romney will have his own federal budget plan. It’s unclear, though, if Romney will spell out anything specific between now and November to explain how his plan differs from Ryan’s. The POLITICO story: http://politi.co/NupqgQ
Ryan is on the ticket as the chicken bone president … nothing more.
Paul
August 13th, 2012
11:51 am
Normal
That was great.
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
11:51 am
Under the dem plan the elderly and poor will pay higher taxes… It’s sad really…
Aquagirl
August 13th, 2012
11:52 am
Again I told you. Ryan wants fairness. Should the gubmint be able to tax you twice? Thats the question for you libs….
Translation: I got my butt spanked on the last question, better throw out a new one!
Unfortunately for Joseph, some of us don’t need massive amounts of Adderall to remember things from 10 minutes ago.
Adam
August 13th, 2012
11:53 am
Under the dem plan the elderly and poor will pay higher taxes… It’s sad really…
Not Intended to be a Factual Statement
Joe Hussein Mama
August 13th, 2012
11:53 am
Joseph — “The lowest earning Americans pay no taxes anyway.”
Again with the falsehoods.
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
11:54 am
Aquagirl:
Again I ask a simple question. Should my Grandma have to pay taxes on her savings?
Verbal Kint
August 13th, 2012
11:54 am
This is your choice in November:
“A New America in which prosperity is shared”-Obama
“We promise equal opportunity, not equal outcomes”-Romney/Ryan
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
11:55 am
Adam:
Its a fact taxes will rise in January for everyone…. Prove me wrong…. That’s obviously Obama’s plan.. Oh wait. he hasn’t put out a plan….
SwamiDave
August 13th, 2012
11:56 am
Jay:
Just to correct your continued misrepresentation…..
“Slash Medicaid, slash Medicare and slash Mitt Romney’s taxes to almost nothing, while raising them on the lowest-earning 30 percent of Americans.”
The “lowest-earning 30 percent” of Americans by and large do not pay income taxes. Basic fiscal honesty would be to amend your charges that the plan would “slash” the INCOME that the lowest-earning 30% of Americans make VIA the tax code through redistributed earnings of fellow Americans.
-SD
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 13th, 2012
11:56 am
“Should my Grandma have to pay taxes on her savings?”
ahhhhhh … moving the goalposts …
Joseph’s #1 form of exercise …
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
11:58 am
Joe Hussein Mama:
Hmmm.. You must not get out much…. Half the country pays no federal income tax….
Doggone/GA
August 13th, 2012
11:59 am
So are you saying you favor TRIPLE TAXATION on those choosing to invest rather than spend?
Define “savings”
Doggone/GA
August 13th, 2012
12:00 pm
Oops! copy didn’t work!
“Should my Grandma have to pay taxes on her savings?”
Define “savings”
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 13th, 2012
12:00 pm
Q: Do 40 percent of Americans pay no taxes?
A: About 38 percent of households have zero or negative income tax liability, but they pay other federal taxes.
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/americans-paying-no-taxes/
The Congressional Budget Office found that earners in the lowest quintile, where most of those with no income tax liability fall, shouldered 4.3 percent of the payroll tax burden in 2005 and 11.1 percent of the excise taxes. Their effective tax rate (which is calculated by dividing taxes paid by total income) in those categories, according to the CBO, was in fact significantly higher than the rate of the top quintile, although that top one-fifth of the population had a much higher effective tax rate for individual and corporate income taxes.
Adam
August 13th, 2012
12:03 pm
Joseph: Obama put out a plan to extend the cuts for everyone, but allowing the tax rates on every dollar you make AFTER 250k to rise back to Clinton levels. That is his plan, and the Dem plan. The GOP plan is simply “The Bush Tax Cuts Or More Tax Cuts”
Now, Congress will obviously fight about this so much that really we go #OffTheCliff, but I think that’s good for the country because then the GOP will immediately reverse and backdate an extension of tax cuts, but ONLY on the first $250k. Ergo, everyone wins, because the GOP will not be forced to “vote to raise taxes,” and will instead just let the initial thing expire.
Then they can call the tax cuts “The Obama Tax Cuts” and blame him for bad tax cutting policy. But they probably won’t, since that would be making them look bad.
Erwin's cat
August 13th, 2012
12:03 pm
PAUL
…as for refuting Jay’s topic
I tried a few times early on to point out that they are not running on Ryan’s plan so this topic is just chasing windmills
Orange 12
August 13th, 2012
12:03 pm
http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2012-08-13/romney-speaks-downtown-st-augustine
Here’s some truth for you. Thousands of people came to see Mitt Romney with only a few big mouth protestors.
Adam
August 13th, 2012
12:04 pm
“We promise equal opportunity, not equal outcomes”-Romney/Ryan
They promise neither, and you’re a fool if you think they support equal opportunity at all.
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
12:04 pm
Obama is now blaming Ryan for the drought in the Midwest… LOL…
Adam
August 13th, 2012
12:04 pm
Joseph: And no, grandma should not be taxed on the amount of money she has PUT INTO savings, just on the INCOME she gets from it.
MiltonMan
August 13th, 2012
12:05 pm
“The President’s 2013 Budget is built around the idea that our country does best when everyone gets a fair shot, does their fair share, and plays by the same rules. We must transform our economy from one focused on speculating, spending, and borrowing to one constructed on the solid foundation of educating, innovating, and building. That begins with putting the Nation on a path to living within our means – by cutting wasteful spending, asking all Americans to shoulder their fair share, and making tough choices on some things we cannot afford, while keeping the investments we need to grow the economy and create jobs. The Budget targets scarce federal resources to the areas critical to growing the economy and restoring middle-class security: education and skills for American workers, innovation and research and development, clean energy, and infrastructure.”
“Fair share” = democratic buzzword for “tax the wealthy”
“everyone gets a fair shot” – so Obozo is going to do away with all preferential hiring practices???
“borrowing” – from the clown who said he was going to cut the deficit in half???
Doggone/GA
August 13th, 2012
12:05 pm
“I tried a few times early on to point out that they are not running on Ryan’s plan so this topic is just chasing windmills”
And in my opinion, that is one reason they gave Ryan the VP nod. To deflect the discussion away from Romney. And for this short time anyway, it seems to be working.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 13th, 2012
12:05 pm
“I tried a few times early on to point out that they are not running on Ryan’s plan so this topic is just chasing windmills”
Like I said … the chicken bone president …
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 13th, 2012
12:05 pm
Brosephus – “There is that amazing 2.5% unemployment thing….”
Which only occured in 1953 when we were a heavily unionized country with an average tax rate of 70%. Ironic, isn’t it.
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
12:05 pm
Ma Michele is pissed that she’s actually got to get out and work campaigning… Poor Oblama just can’t keep up in the money race…..
DannyX
August 13th, 2012
12:06 pm
“Hmmm.. You must not get out much…. Half the country pays no federal income tax….”
Conservatives now call that unfair, President Ronald Reagan called it “the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress.”
Aquagirl
August 13th, 2012
12:06 pm
Aquagirl: Again I ask a simple question.
I’m sorry, did you say something? The laughter from your pwning drowns out those pathetic noises from Dunce Cap Corner.
We don’t do social promotions after you earn an F minus, cupcake. This ain’t your teanut meeting.
Erwin's cat
August 13th, 2012
12:07 pm
UK – chicken bone?
Doggone/GA
August 13th, 2012
12:07 pm
” And no, grandma should not be taxed on the amount of money she has PUT INTO savings, just on the INCOME she gets from it.”
And I don’t agree. If she put before tax money into her retirement savings, why shouldn’t she pay taxes on it when she withdraws it?
Verbal Kint
August 13th, 2012
12:08 pm
Prove it, Adam.
ken
August 13th, 2012
12:08 pm
Democrat party, the choice of freeloaders. ( too bad they vote )
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
12:08 pm
How’s the spin by you libs that democrat Ron Widen supports the Ryan plan????
Doggone/GA
August 13th, 2012
12:09 pm
“Ron Widen ”
Who’s Ron Widen?
Paul
August 13th, 2012
12:09 pm
Erwin’s cat
That is a fair point, But I will offer if one does not look at the particulars, just at the general philosophy, the direction one would want to go, that it does provide a good view of what to expect. Is it not the case that, raw numbers and percentages aside, that both Romney and Ryan espouse the same general views? That’s my impression so far.
Orange 12
August 13th, 2012
12:09 pm
http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2012-08-13/protesters-appalled-st-augustinians-support-romney
Adam
August 13th, 2012
12:09 pm
Prove it, Adam.
The proof is in the pudding. Point to me even ONE policy that guarantees equal opportunity from either Ryan or Romney.
SPC
August 13th, 2012
12:10 pm
Should dividends be taxed at a high rate supposedly just because rich people get them? What about people on fixed income who rely on these payments?
Dividends are paid from earnings (unless the money is borrowed) by companies after those companies have paid tax on those earnings. To tax them again is double taxation, so doesn’t that argue for no, or a very low tax on dividends? What is the justification for a divident tax rate equivalent to a regular income tax rate?
From a person who has paid inheritance tax, when the threshold was much lower, it is a cruel tax. I bet that everyone who thinks otherwise would change their mind if they were faced with it. It’s easy to provide an opinion that someone else should pay, it’s quite another when it’s you.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 13th, 2012
12:10 pm
S. Dave — “Basic fiscal honesty would be to amend your charges that the plan would “slash” the INCOME that the lowest-earning 30% of Americans make VIA the tax code through redistributed earnings of fellow Americans.”
Basic fiscal honesty would also compel you to mention that the “redistributed earnings of fellow Americans” you speak of just happened to be a Republican idea.
Proud to be me
August 13th, 2012
12:10 pm
“slash Medicare” . . what, Jay, do you think Obama Care does to Medicare when it cuts 500 mil out of it over the next 10 years!!!
Adam
August 13th, 2012
12:11 pm
what, Jay, do you think Obama Care does to Medicare when it cuts 500 mil out of it over the next 10 years!!!
Ryan included the exact same cut in his budget plan.
LUNCH!
Brosephus™
August 13th, 2012
12:11 pm
I do not think anybody on this blog has all the detailed facts about Ryan’s budget on either side of the aisle…I am waiting for detailed non partisan analysis via direct Q&A from Ryan and those opposed to his plan….
Why rely on a Q&A where someone can say anything and you have no idea of whether it’s true or not. Why not read the legislation for yourself?
Here’s the last legislation that was submitted in the House of Representatives representing Ryan’s budget plan. Learn for yourself instead of relying on others.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c112gdb1GI:e3631:
Paul
August 13th, 2012
12:11 pm
Erwin’s cat
“UK – chicken bone?”
USinUK is quite the cook. Even has her own foodie blog, so she uses obscure food and cooking references.
Just roll with it -
Common Sense
August 13th, 2012
12:12 pm
“pure speculation. By the way, I thought Government couldn’t run the economy?”
Who has speculated more than Obama on what the impact of his policies would be? And we have not even been close to the promised outcomes.
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
12:12 pm
USinUK – pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout:
So the liberal logic is that lower income America’s should not even have to pay sales tax… Hmm..
Jackie
August 13th, 2012
12:12 pm
@ken
S0-called conservatives, the choice of low-information voters, too bad they vote!
Proud to be me
August 13th, 2012
12:13 pm
Again, Jay has been drinking the liberal cool aid!
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 13th, 2012
12:13 pm
Erwin – “UK – chicken bone?”
as in one chicken bone away from the presidency
Doggone/GA
August 13th, 2012
12:13 pm
“Should dividends be taxed at a high rate”
They should be taxed at the rate provided for the tax band into which their owner falls. Just as wages are.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
August 13th, 2012
12:14 pm
Paul – did you see the Za’alouk recipe yesterday??? if you’ve got ‘maters coming out the ears, TRY IT!!! it’s totally yum
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
12:14 pm
Aquagirl:
“crickets” or in a liberals case… “roaches”….
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 13th, 2012
12:14 pm
I’m not shwoing you mine until you show me yours.
Well, I might of knowed. Go away from this blog to lug some beer cases and when you come back they’re ready to whip it out.
I’m off of this blog till it comes back to Christian ways.
TaxPayer
August 13th, 2012
12:15 pm
The top 400 earn more than 1 percent of all income in the United States, more than double their share in 1992. These 400 earned a total of $81 billion in 2009 — but paid an average tax rate of just 19.9 percent.
And the Republican foot-licking good response to that is, “Those poor wealthiest! They deserve our sympathy in the form of another tax cut!”
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
12:16 pm
I predicted liberals would be scurrying like cockroaches when the light comes on over the Ryan pick… LOL…
zeke
August 13th, 2012
12:16 pm
who has our best interest….big govt or big business?
East Lake Ira
August 13th, 2012
12:17 pm
Wow, the cons are really bringing the stoopid hard today.
Well done cons, well done.
Since Romney lies with such ease it seems his “followers” have become just like him.
Again, well done morans.
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
August 13th, 2012
12:18 pm
Anybody who calls for the raising of taxes have a choice. You can opt not to take deductions on your taxes and hence pay more. Then, once you do that, you can request the raising of taxes on others. That’s the only way to avoid being a total hypocrite.
Verbal Kint
August 13th, 2012
12:18 pm
Adam-
Please explain the loss of equal opportunity in this plan:
http://www.mittromney.com/sites/default/files/shared/presidentialaccountabilityscorecard_1_1.pdf
I swear, I feel dumber reading this blog. I’ve got to stop wasting my time.
TaxPayer
August 13th, 2012
12:18 pm
Joseph made his most astute predictions as a result of his stay at a Holiday Inn.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 13th, 2012
12:18 pm
Paul — “USinUK is quite the cook. Even has her own foodie blog, so she uses obscure food and cooking references.”
I thought “chicken bone” in this usage was a reference to the Y2K and spammer meme.
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
August 13th, 2012
12:18 pm
The democratic party having the symbol of an ass is perfect.
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
12:18 pm
Why does Obama continue down the far left path? At least Clinton ticked toward the center when election time rolled around…..
td
August 13th, 2012
12:18 pm
Adam
August 13th, 2012
12:04 pm
Joseph: And no, grandma should not be taxed on the amount of money she has PUT INTO savings, just on the INCOME she gets from it.
Yes Adam, Grandma has $10, 000 in the bank and earns $1,000 per year in interest and dividends and you libs want the hand out to take $150 of those dollars. This is called Cap, Gains tax. BTW: some of you libs believe that 15% is not fair and we should actually take $300 from grandma.
Jay
August 13th, 2012
12:20 pm
Mitt Romney in March:
“I’m very supportive of the Ryan budget plan. It’s a bold and exciting effort on his part and on the part of the Republicans and it’s very much consistent with what I put out earlier…. I applaud it. It’s an excellent piece of work and very much needed.”
Common Sense
August 13th, 2012
12:20 pm
“Do we go forward towards a new vision of an America in which prosperity is shared?” Obama asked.
That is all that needs to be said about the vision of the future for America under Obama.
Doggone/GA
August 13th, 2012
12:20 pm
“You can opt not to take deductions on your taxes and hence pay more.”
The only deduction *I* get is the one everyone gets: the individual deduction. I’ve paid my taxes on the short form for the last 15 years at least.
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
12:20 pm
Since libs insist that folks who work pay more taxes to prop up the one’s who don’t why don’t they just send more in themselves?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 13th, 2012
12:21 pm
td — “BTW: some of you libs believe that 15% is not fair and we should actually take $300 from grandma.”
BTW, Kamchak’s Corollary is ready when you are.
zeke
August 13th, 2012
12:21 pm
liberal chicks, dems may have ass but repubs have bigger fatter ass mascot
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
12:22 pm
There is one thing libs can’t say about Paul Ryan. At least the man works and is trying. You may not like his idea’s but he is putting forth something. Obama and the dems have put forth nothing!
Doggone/GA
August 13th, 2012
12:22 pm
” Grandma has $10, 000 in the bank and earns $1,000 per year in interest and dividends and you libs want the hand out to take $150 of those dollars”
And for a family that makes $10,000 a year – how much to you cons want to take out in Federal income taxes?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 13th, 2012
12:22 pm
Joseph — “Since libs insist that folks who work pay more taxes to prop up the one’s who don’t why don’t they just send more in themselves?”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
zeke
August 13th, 2012
12:23 pm
ryan supported off budget wars, medicare d, and unfunded bush tax cuts…..how’s that for fiscal conservative
Joseph
August 13th, 2012
12:24 pm
Jay:
Can you provide me with a link to Obama’s plan. I can’t seem to find it….
Joe Hussein Mama
August 13th, 2012
12:24 pm
Joseph — “You may not like his idea’s but he is putting forth something. Obama and the dems have put forth nothing!”
Really? Try this on for size.
You may not like the Affordable Care Act, but Obama and the Democrats have put forth something. Romney and the Republicans have put forth nothing except 31 votes to repeal — and no mention yet of what they’d “replace” it with.
Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.