What Gingrich, Santorum, etc. got right about Romney
Back in the heat of the primary season, Republican leaders grew very uneasy when Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry began to attack Mitt Romney as an out-of-touch rich guy who built his wealth through “vulture capitalism” (Rick Perry’s term) and was hiding something in his taxes. Among other concerns, GOP leaders recognized that if such attacks on Romney worked, they might end up with Gingrich, Santorum or Perry as their nominee.
That was not an outcome they were willing to risk, so they quickly ruled that line of attack out of bounds.
These days, however, they may be reaping the consequences of that decision. The latest CNN poll has Barack Obama pulling out to a seven-point lead over Romney. Ipsos/Reuters also puts the margin at seven, while Fox News puts it at nine. And as Fox notes, the internals are more worrisome still for Romney:
“Obama’s advantage comes largely from increased support among independents, who now pick him over Romney by 11 percentage points. Some 30 percent of independents are undecided. Last month, Obama had a four-point edge among independents, while Romney had the advantage from April through early June….
“The Obama campaign has spent heavily on advertising attacking Romney’s time at Bain Capital and his tax returns. And it appears to be working. Romney’s favorable rating dropped six percentage points since last month and now sits at 46 percent, down from 52 percent in mid-July. At the same time his unfavorable rating went up five points. Romney’s favorable rating has held steady among his party faithful, but it’s down eight percentage points among independents and seven points among Democrats.”
Moreover, Fox notes, Obama outpolls Romney by eight percentage points on the question of which man is more likely to help people achieve the American dream, which constitutes the foundation of the Romney strategy. And the erosion of support isn’t limited to the party’s nominees:
“While Democrats typically hold a slight edge over Republicans nationally in party identification, this attitude shifts based on events and changing sentiment. These days, voters seem to be even more likely to consider themselves Democrats than Republicans. There has been a five-percentage-point Democratic advantage, on average, in Fox News polls this year. In this poll, the Democratic edge is nine points. That may or may not be on the high side, although it is similar to other recent national polls conducted by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal, which put Democrats up 11 percentage points, and the Pew Research Center, with Democrats up by 13 percent.”
(In a humorous aside, only one major polling outfit in the last three weeks — the ever-reliable Rasmussen — has Romney leading, with the former Massachusetts governor up by four. See below.)
Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
It’s still early, of course — the campaign holds a lot of unanticipated twists and turns ahead. But for the moment, the line of attack against Romney that Republican leaders ruled off-limits in the GOP primary seems to be working quite well when employed by Democrats. The party’s decision to protect Romney back in January and February — in effect, Gingrich et al were told not to look the dressage horse in the mouth — meant that he was never forced to develop an explanation or defense against such criticism, and it appears that he has yet to do so to this day.
With voters now forming their early impressions of the GOP nominee, that could prove to have been a major blunder.
– Jay Bookman
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Steve-USA "None of the Above"
August 10th, 2012
2:22 pm
Stevie Ray – “those who think the whole truth is from either side seem laughable to me…”
Bingo
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 10th, 2012
2:23 pm
How’s that women’s pay in the white house vs men looking…………..He’s all for you gals.
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
2:24 pm
Kammy-poo,
Surprised to see you online. I thought DragonCon was in town this week. No???
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 10th, 2012
2:24 pm
Other funny thing both parties do exceptionally well to their own advantage is label most of their voting consitutuencies as “victims” of another…victims of rich folks…victims of those on the govt dole and not paying taxes….
We are only victims of ourselves…we the people have allowed our government to become impotent to looking our for our interests and desires in favor of following the money…be it defense crooks, union crooks or any other flavor of what amounts to extortion…We are victims on nobody else but ourselves…
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 10th, 2012
2:25 pm
Ben @ 2.15, I don’t especially care, but simply googling “bush administration tax cheats” nailed this cite:
http://www.disorderedliberty.com/fiscal-responsibility/tax-cheats-allowed-work-government/
where it is claimed:
During the last year of President Bush’s Administration, Executive Branch employees likewise owed approximately $800,000 in back taxes. And from 2004 through 2006, when Republicans were in power, the total amount of back taxes owed each year by congressional workers was just below $9 million.
So if that’s accurate, it would seem that the $833,970 you’re crying about is absolutely within normal limits.
Jefferson
August 10th, 2012
2:25 pm
Romney has an unfavorable problem. Wonder why ?
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
2:27 pm
So I ask Fred to back up his assertion that I said anything untruthful, then I asked Stands for decibels to back up his assertion that conservatives turned a blind eye to tax cheats in a Republican White House…
And neither of them has been seen nor heard from ever since.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…………………..
Beverly Fraud
August 10th, 2012
2:30 pm
Not saying Romney is still, but new medical text books now use the term “Rigor Mittus”
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the Left of me Jokers to the Right, here I am...
August 10th, 2012
2:30 pm
Jefferson,
They both have unfavorability problems which, like our idiot lawmakers, will not be changed until the private money is removed via amendment from the game….
Obama by any measure has a failed presidency record and predictably responds with mud slinging the likes of which we have never witnessed…debt, more debt, unemployment and the like… change and hope turned to not our fault and business as usual…I wouldn’t expect any different from Romney..
I could argue that any vote is anathema to a vote for the status quo…The system is broken so all the results will continue to be flawed..
phdroberts
August 10th, 2012
2:30 pm
In all Presidential election and the poll always pave the way to make or get people up in arms about who would be the best President for the US. Right now with the economy and jobless rate, gas prices, food, homes, the world problems….place a lot on any future President shoulders. We the people who vote to elect the person whom we feel would serve us best. To me the last four years has been very difficult for our President, Republician Party, even the Democratic Party has indeed sort to discredit, make problems, stop, did not support this President in many of the issues that confronts America. Even with President Obama ongoing issues we have not respected him for reasons I can’t even understand why! We have to go through a lot of red tape to bring things to the forefront of those of us who have to continue to be left behind and fight to get ahead; that mean all of us with no particular races. None of us know what lies ahead for this election and whom will win; but we better think hard because to return back to yesteryear will be a big mistake! Without pounding on anyone about where we are headed; the writing is already on the wall and it is ashame that it taking everything we have to live here in America. Greed hurt everyone no matter who we are; no matter how much money we have or where we live, who we know it put a big dent in human life. Have or did any of our past President every come forward and say…wait a minute, we are actually killing ourselves with these high prices and greed being placed upon America people. How do you start something, you begun slowly and meet in the middle to see how things are going and if they are going well…we move on slowly. We have been hit hard with many issues that has not been solved, foreclosures, jobs, homelessness etc., and yet, we have some who just don’t care about others. I know very little about Mr. Romney because his past is so shakey and with all of the stories about what he has done with proof of not coming forward with his income taxes make me cast doubts about his honest, creditability and willingness. Do he want to be the President to repeal everything or will he do it for the sake of his friends. Surely, he is not making a good effort to tone down things about whe he have done in the past nor have he been forthcoming! No one President has been perfect for America because we continue to face a lot of human diffuculties and we have less help in correcting them. It is not my wish or call to say anything about those running for office. What is important is, why elect them if they are not going to fight for the people who elected them to serve. Finally, those who are in congress and representatives needs to be voted out of office because they sit and do nothing for the those who elected them to serve. It is deeply ashamed that they tell the America peoplea nything to get elected only to dissappoint them! I say with a degree of sadness that they need to resign immediately because they too have lied just like Mr. Romney have over and over agan!
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
August 10th, 2012
2:30 pm
Mitt Rob-Me is a clueless douche that should just stick to his corporate welfare bs.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 10th, 2012
2:30 pm
Surprised to see you online. I thought DragonCon was in town this week. No???
Hairy-poo
For the umpteenth time both here and next door at CT’s
I’ve never been to DragonCon, and have no interest in going (not that there’s anything wrong with that, Aquagirl).
Probably not a good idea to be bragging about your IQ if you cant process this.
And if you had actually bothered to read through the posts, I’m currently in a small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns. and if I wasn’t, I’d be with Fred getting ready to watch the broze medal match between Japan and S. Korea.
Beverly Fraud
August 10th, 2012
2:30 pm
STIFF that is…
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
2:31 pm
Stands, I clicked on your link, congratulations, you’re half way there!!!! Now all you have to do is show where Bush chasitised his political opponents for legally avoiding taxes, and demonstrate that conservatives were cool with presidential aides being tax cheats.
Good luck!!!
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
August 10th, 2012
2:33 pm
phdroberts-
Congratulations on the world’s largest paragraph.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
2:33 pm
Stands
You see the goal post was moved, right?
hahahahahaha
but, but, but
Welcome to the Occupation
August 10th, 2012
2:34 pm
Stevie Ray: “Funny how blindly the right wing-nuts and left wing-nuts defend every single blurb, position, postulation, and attack ads by their respected parties…”
Hmm. That would presuppose that the “left wing” nuts actually had a party to defend. They don’t.
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
2:34 pm
My bad Kammy…..whenever I read your posts, I always picture you dressed up like a Romulan, waiting in line for an autographed photo of George Takei.
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
2:35 pm
“That would presuppose that the “left wing” nuts actually had a party to defend. They don’t.”
Not intended to be a factual statement.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
2:35 pm
Jay
Could you deleted Ben’s 2:27?
Nothing in it that is offensive, however as usual it doesn’t make him look that intelligent considering his follow up @ 2:31.
That will not do much for improvement, however it will be a step in the right direction
Ben: Don’t mention, your welcome
Anytime, anytime
TaxPayer
August 10th, 2012
2:37 pm
It is rather funny that the Obama administration has his staff’s taxes along with his so readily available for scrutiny by you people on the right yet Mitt and Ann think that you same people already have seen way too much of their lives and you people are perfectly content with that. And all you people really want or need is Obama college transcripts to make your lives whole. Too funny.
skipper
August 10th, 2012
2:39 pm
Fun comments:
There needs to be a new “Common-Sense” party…….The Dems have drifted so far to the left that if you ain’t handcuffed to a tree to save it you do not qualify…..the Repubs have drifted so far to the right that if the Bible ain’t on your dashboard, then you are not a real person! The fringe parties (Green, etc.) are mostly loonies who seek attention and fun, but have no substance. Good gracious, SOMEBODY start a common sense party with some reasonable platform:
1. You can be a Christian w/o being a Southern Baptist.
2. You can be compassionate w/o being condescending AND getting caught up in every po-dunk cause someone’s mind can conceive
3. You realize that government can and should help, but is not and never will be the total solution.
4. You accept that there must be a rule of law, but make them common-sensical as well.
5. You can even like old Jay w/o agreeing with him!
(The last one is not necessarily a pre-requisite…….:)
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
2:40 pm
B. Shockley — “So why don;t you tell us your position on presidential staffers who don’t pay their taxes.”
Because you’re a jackass and I don’t care to play with you.
If you’re after serious conversation, than straighten up and fly right for a few weeks. Demonstrate to me that you’re looking for polite and serious discussion, and then we can revisit. Otherwise, you can go fly a kite as far as I’m concerned.
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
2:40 pm
Taxpayer, it’s rather funny that you think the Obama adminiatration gave that tax info up voluntarily.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 10th, 2012
2:41 pm
And neither of them has been seen nor heard from ever since.
You spiked the ball early about dB, and Fred has mentioned at least twice that he was leaving to watch the men’s soccer bronze medal match.
But please, regale us some more with braggadocio about your high IQ.
Tundra Dude
August 10th, 2012
2:42 pm
Stevie Rae:
I could argue that any vote is anathema to a vote for the status quo…The system is broken so all the results will continue to be flawed..
Exactly….so there’s really no point in having another * Changing of the Guard* ceremony at the White House .
100 Ways Mitt Romney Is Just Like Barack Obama
http://ivn.us/2012/07/17/100-ways-mitt-romney-is-just-like-barack-obama
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 10th, 2012
2:42 pm
Taxpayer. Like Romney’s taxes, there is a story with Obama’s college history. Wouldn’t we like to clear it all up. Romney will only be guilty of being good at his then craft, not any law breaking I bet. Let’s all hope that is true for our Current President.
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
2:42 pm
TRANSLATION OF JOE HUSSEIN MAMA @ 2:40…
“I painted myself into a stupid corner and I will deflect attention by a personal attack on Ben”
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
2:42 pm
JHM
Stands shot him down so Ben had to quickly move the goal post which made him look worse than his original crap. He was so certain that Republicans were immune from those things, he ran that mouth as usual………..
And and usual, he was wrong, so he had to come at the issue from another angle.
It was humorous.
Aquagirl
August 10th, 2012
2:43 pm
I’ve never been to DragonCon, and have no interest in going (not that there’s anything wrong with that, Aquagirl).
LOL. I’m not scared by a mob where everyone has triple-digit IQ’s. I can see how other posters here would feel totally out of place.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
2:44 pm
Kam
Exactly. He talk that trash because of his ignorance to the issues and didn’t know that stands was about to spike his head with a cinder-block.
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
2:44 pm
Enter your comments here
Logical Dude
August 10th, 2012
2:44 pm
Ben: I thought DragonCon was in town this week. No???
Wow Ben, you didn’t now that DragonCon is labor day weekend? it’s an easy google to find these things out.
I’ll be there surrounded by green Orion girls.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 10th, 2012
2:44 pm
… there is a story with Obama’s college history.
Birthers.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
2:45 pm
B. Shockley — ““I painted myself into a stupid corner and I will deflect attention by a personal attack on Ben”
No, that’s all the evidence I need to decline to play your game.
I didn’t paint myself into any corners, because — as I have already pointed out — I made no comment regarding tax payments by White House staffers, your clumsy attempt to lure me into discussion notwithstanding.
I didn’t make any comments about the situation, and if you’re too dishonest or clueless to recognize that, I can’t help you.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 10th, 2012
2:46 pm
Ben………..A jackass………….Boy, it’s doesn’t take long……….but predictable if you read this blog much how the regulars treat ” guest”. They, like this Administration, can’t take too much scrutinizing.
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
2:46 pm
Ben Shockley just owned the poo with that Romulan comment. BOOM.
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
2:46 pm
LOL…the libbies are high-fiving each other. Still unable to rationalize hatred of Romney for POSSIBLY using legal tax loopholes, yet no such condemnation for Obama’s boys documented tax cheating, but I guess libbies set the goalpost pretty low.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 10th, 2012
2:46 pm
Enter your comments anywhere else but here
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
2:47 pm
Ima Librul — “Ben………..A jackass………….Boy, it’s doesn’t take long……….but predictable if you read this blog much how the regulars treat ” guest”.
If Mr. Shockley wants to be treated politely, then he needs to behave politely.
If he’s going to play bull-in-a-china-shop with the regulars, then he has no complaint coming when he’s served in the same manner.
Beverly Fraud
August 10th, 2012
2:49 pm
Do you think it’s accidental that the left came up with the word “mittens” to describe something you wear in cold weather, so they could relate Mitt Romney with being cold-hearted?
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
2:49 pm
I’m a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with…cause we’re smart and they are not
August 10th, 2012
2:46 pm
“Ben………..A jackass………….Boy, it’s doesn’t take long……….but predictable if you read this blog much how the regulars treat ” guest”. They, like this Administration, can’t take too much scrutinizing”
Liberals can dish it out, but they sure can’t take it when you give ‘em some back. It’s just another reason for not taking them seriously.
Tundra Dude
August 10th, 2012
2:50 pm
Not saying Romney is stiff, but new medical text books now use the term “Rigor Mittus”
thought to be caused by overdose of Viagra
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 10th, 2012
2:50 pm
No Joe, if he won’t back down and conform………Do that, and then he might get a dog biscuit and a pat on the head.
Beverly Fraud
August 10th, 2012
2:51 pm
>>Not saying Romney is stiff, but new medical text books now use the term “Rigor Mittus”
thought to be caused by overdose of Viagra<<
Or the arousal that comes from firing hundreds of workers in one fell swoop
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 10th, 2012
2:51 pm
Tundra….We saw it the first time. Give it a few minutes and try again
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
2:52 pm
TD
No, Ben got owned when stand hit him in the head with the facts after Ben was running that mouth with his usual naivety, ignorance or lies. Then compounded it be quickly changing the discussion from what he asserted.
He was Wile E Coyote and Stands was Road Runner
We know who won those battles
Adam
August 10th, 2012
2:52 pm
JKL2: Warren “it’s a shame they don’t tax me more, but I can’t seem to find my checkbook” Buffet
Incorrect: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2012/01/18/exclusive-buffett-says-will-match-congressmans-donation-to-debt/
And Ben Shockley, you should read this too.
Peadawg
August 10th, 2012
2:52 pm
Ben,
Joe did the same thing with me last week I believe when I asked him a simple yes/no question.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
2:52 pm
Shockley — “Liberals can dish it out, but they sure can’t take it when you give ‘em some back.”
Considering you had just dishonestly put words in my mouth, I’d say you got no less than you deserved.
“It’s just another reason for not taking them seriously.”
Your behavior is just another reason for not taking *you* seriously.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 10th, 2012
2:54 pm
I’m not saying Obama is a Muslim, but he missed a good opportunity……..And who told me the dog Bo travels separately in the great Muslim tradition…..Where did I hear That……Mark Levin?????
Jefferson
August 10th, 2012
2:54 pm
Romney is the one wanting to be president, he has to show his info. The president already has the job, he does not have to show. I heard Romney hasn’t paid taxes in 10 years. Must be true.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
2:54 pm
Ima Librul — “No Joe, if he won’t back down and conform………Do that, and then he might get a dog biscuit and a pat on the head.”
No. If he wants to be treated politely, then he needs to treat others politely. Someone who behaves as rudely and as dishonestly as Mr. Shockley does has no reasonable expectation of polite treatment.
Welcome to the Occupation
August 10th, 2012
2:54 pm
Ben Shockley: “Liberals can dish it out, but they sure can’t take it when you give ‘em some back”
Well I’m not a liberal, but I think I can handle just about anything you dish my way.
That Black Guy
August 10th, 2012
2:54 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
12:49 pm
FWIW, lefty friends, I think the Romney horse angle has little to no value and is mean-spirited to boot. Perhaps TBG will oblige us with the same links he posted earlier this week.
____________________________________________________________
No problem JHM, although some will still think it’s ok to make fun of her MS therapy because her HUSBAND is running for prez. jackholing has no rules.
From AETNA:
http://www.aetna.com/cpb/medical/data/100_199/0151.html
here’s a local site:
http://www.greenacresonline.com/hippotherapy.html
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
2:55 pm
Peadawg — “Ben, Joe did the same thing with me last week I believe when I asked him a simple yes/no question.”
Love to see you link to it, Peadawg. Please, by all means, proceed.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 10th, 2012
2:56 pm
Joe did the same thing with me last week I believe when I asked him a simple yes/no question.
You don’t get to decide how anyone here responds.
You’re not gonna set a gotcha trap and catch JHM with a y/n question
Adam
August 10th, 2012
2:56 pm
Thulsa: I don’t know why you would do it that way. I prefer bets between two people, personally.
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
2:56 pm
Aquagirl,
Rythmic gymnastics? I’ve no clue what the hell that is but gymnastics is one of the few other things that I will watch. The shyte that the men do on the pommel horse and with the rings is amazing. I can’t imagine being as ripped as those guys and having that kind of strength. As for the girls they are just as amazing if not more so-especially when they go flying through the air. Can’t say that I fully understand the scoring but it is nevertheless dramatic.
Being a Bama fan I watch our girls gymastics team all the time. They won the national title this year and have had a heated, ongoing rivalry with the Georgia girls. Its pretty intense stuff on both campuses and I’ve seen where the girls gymnast team packs the coliseum more than the men’s basketball team. Its good stuff.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
2:56 pm
TBG — “No problem JHM”
Thanks much!
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
2:57 pm
JHM, I fear you may be laboring under the mis-impression that I care how, or if, you respond.
Welcome to the Occupation
August 10th, 2012
2:57 pm
By the way Ben, I must have missed your explanation of how owing back taxes is equivalent to “not paying” them. Don’t you think that if there were large numbers of tax evaders in Obama’s administration we would have heard a little more about that? You know, days on end top stories or tickers running continuously on the cable screens? Don’t you think our friends over at FOX would have seen to that had there been something?
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 10th, 2012
2:57 pm
Careful Ben………..The elitist Liberal thing is ozzing.and it’s not even a cocktail party…..
Adam
August 10th, 2012
2:58 pm
Ben: JHM, I fear you may be laboring under the mis-impression that I care how, or if, you respond.
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
*deep breath*
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
August 10th, 2012
2:58 pm
Ben Shockley
I was horrified when I finally tracked down the 2010 IRS deliquency report to discover that not only is what you said true but there is more info I wish you had shared with us….
Like the military – 111,027,905
and Post Office Workers – 269,641,265
and the Senate – 2,134,501
and the House of Representatives – 8,535,974
the whole thing is worth a look…..
http://www.scribd.com/doc/79290934/Copy-of-FERDI-2010-Final
moonbat betty
August 10th, 2012
2:58 pm
Too funny – Jay agrees with Newt – BFF!
and off topic – the “Honey Badger” really didn’t give a $h*t!
Sorry, getalife.
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
2:59 pm
“You’re not gonna set a gotcha trap and catch JHM with a y/n question”
Right! Because liberals don’t answer straight questions! To do so would expose them for what they really are. Like the following, for example;
Kamchak, would you like to see the United States become a socialist country?
or…..
Kamchak, are you a proponent of socialism?
Adam
August 10th, 2012
2:59 pm
TBG, JHM, I am not sure why anyone went after that particular line. Disease is serious business.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
3:00 pm
B. Shockley — “JHM, I fear you may be laboring under the mis-impression that I care how, or if, you respond.”
The misunderstanding is wholly yours. If you don’t want a response from me, then don’t issue queries to me.
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/08/10/what-gingrich-santorum-etc-got-right-about-romney/?cp=10#comment-1031393
Beverly Fraud
August 10th, 2012
3:00 pm
Has anybody considered that Romney, instead of not paying taxes, has given away the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of his wealth to charity, and is just too modest to admit it?
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
3:00 pm
Adam,
Easy. If the odds are that 73% that O wins then the money line is going to be heavy on Romney in the Vegas line. So if I bet $100 that O wins I would probably only get $25-$30 if he won and lose it all if he lost. But since the odds heavily favor O then I’m guessing that the money line payout for a Romney win would be triple. So while I haven’t checked the moneyline I’m guessing that a $100 bet on Romney would pay out anywhere from $250 to $300 or more. So why would I wager with you?
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
3:01 pm
“By the way Ben, I must have missed your explanation of how owing back taxes is equivalent to “not paying” them.”
You’re kidding right? Or maybe you don’t understand that not paying them is how they got to BE back taxes?
That Black Guy
August 10th, 2012
3:01 pm
TaxPayer
August 10th, 2012
12:55 pm
Please continue to make fun of Mrs. Romney’s MS therapy.
After all, it’s politics.
Being a jackhole is perfectly acceptable.
Perhaps you should try to follow the whole exchange before making a bigger jackhole out of yourself, That Black Guy. You’re welcome
————————————————–
I did read the entire exchange (I believe I included your first post on the subject in my reply).
Others also read your posts and reached the same conclusion as I.
MS…it’s the new knock knock joke in modern politics.
moonbat betty
August 10th, 2012
3:01 pm
Romney is punking the libs.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
3:02 pm
B. Shockley — “Right! Because liberals don’t answer straight questions!”
Simple answers are only for simple people, Mr. Shockley. Are you simple?
“To do so would expose them for what they really are.”
I am proud to be exposed as an educated, thinking and erudite individual.
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
3:02 pm
JHM, you sure spend a lot of time responding to a guy you proclaim that you don’t owe any responses to.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
3:03 pm
B. Fraud — “Has anybody considered that Romney, instead of not paying taxes, has given away the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of his wealth to charity, and is just too modest to admit it?”
There are limits to the deductibility of charitable donations. The LDS demands a tithe of 10% of all income; I doubt Romney gave much more than that to his church.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 10th, 2012
3:03 pm
Kamchak, would you like to see the United States become a socialist country?
or…..
Kamchak, are you a proponent of socialism?
Socialism — BOO!
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
3:04 pm
B. Shockley — “JHM, you sure spend a lot of time responding to a guy you proclaim that you don’t owe any responses to.”
I don’t owe you the responses you want the way you want them, no.
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
3:04 pm
Ben Shockley 176
Libs 0
Joe Mama sent to the bench from a jarring blow @ 2:57.
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
3:05 pm
“Simple answers are only for simple people, Mr. Shockley. Are you simple?”
Actually no, simple answers are superior in many cases. You can ask me if I am opposed to socialism, I say “yes.” See how easy that is? But you and Kammy-poo don’t want to be exposed for what you are, so you obfuscate.
It’s cool though…we know who and what you really are.
That Black Guy
August 10th, 2012
3:05 pm
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
12:56 pm
The write off for Ann Romney’s $77,000 saddle gear is fair game just due to the sheer expense of the gear. But mocking a therapy that is showing itself to be beneficial for a number of people from different backgrounds who suffer from a variety of ailments isn’t.
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Doomy, the $77,000 deduction was a *business* writeoff for Rafalca. Which turned out to be a $49 deduction.
http://www.taxanalysts.com/www/features.nsf/Articles/6D4819B8FAEF9ABA85257A4D007FB804?OpenDocument
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
3:06 pm
moonbat betty
August 10th, 2012
3:01 pm
“Romney is punking the libs.”
He aint the only one.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
3:06 pm
TD
WOW. Going to have to call you a sell out today
Stands schooled him directly on Bens assertion and you want say anything because you do not agree with the other bloggers
Come on man
The only relevant thing form anyone in the last hour was Ben getting taken to school by stands with FACTS…………..
176 to 0
hahahahahahahahahaha
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
3:06 pm
Doom — “Joe Mama sent to the bench from a jarring blow @ 2:57.”
Oh, Sonny, you know better than that.
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
3:06 pm
JHM, see Kammy at 3:03? Looks like Ben is right, s usual.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 10th, 2012
3:08 pm
I think Obama gets chick fil laid in November. You know, the quiet folks……
Peadawg
August 10th, 2012
3:08 pm
“Love to see you link to it, Peadawg. Please, by all means, proceed.”
How cute. Joe’s playing dumb.
Looking through the last few blogs by Jay and Kyle I can’t find it lol. I may dig for later this weekend when I have more free time. It was in the last week or 2…might have been when Jay was out. We went back and forth for a good 2 or 3 hours and I couldn’t get a straight yes/no answer out of you for the life of me. Oh well. Go ahead and accuse me of making it up if you want.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
3:08 pm
TD
That is certainly not typical for from you, but you fell off the cliff on me today.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 10th, 2012
3:08 pm
B. Shockley — “But you and Kammy-poo don’t want to be exposed for what you are, so you obfuscate.”
I didn’t *comment* on the WH tax issue. Then you asked me a ‘have you stopped beating your wife’ question. And you expected a short, substantive answer?
What are you smoking, son? (laughing)
“It’s cool though…we know who and what you really are.”
That’s right. I’m a firearm-owning disabled Army veteran who voted Republican for over 20 years and who volunteered for them for 12 years, but who now doesn’t want anything to do with the GOP in the state it currently is.
That’s who I am, son.
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
3:09 pm
Joe, I’ll ask you again…
You think it’s OK for Obama to demean Romney for POSSIBLY avoiding traxes legally when his own staff owes $833,000 and refuses to pay?
Oh I forgot…you don’t give straight answers.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
August 10th, 2012
3:09 pm
Ol’ Mitt is a real tool. How can a Mormon Bishop even think about doing this? I’ve said it before…the man has no honor. he will say anything, do anything, and be anyone if he thinks it will get him elected. What a tool…
Check out pfaw.org for more details…
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A new message from your friends at People For the American Way.
Dear Mitt Romney:
Please denounce Jerry Boykin’s hateful ideology, and the scaremongering tactics that he, and others like him (like Rep. Michele Bachmann) have employed against the people of this country.
Dear Normal,
Mitt Romney is proving just how far he’ll go to kowtow to the most extreme reaches of his far right base: he’s meeting face to face with radical extremists like Jerry Boykin. Yes, that Jerry Boykin, the retired Lt. General who was rebuked by then-President Bush in 2003 for framing the War on Terrorism in religious terms, and who has made it his mission to drive Muslim Americans out of public life.
Last Thursday, Mitt Romney took time out of his trip to Denver to sit down with right-wing influentials Garry Bauer, James Dobson, and Boykin, who praised the Republican nominee for his plans to defund Planned Parenthood, among other initiatives the Religious Right holds dear.
Tell Mitt Romney that potential presidents of the United States have no business empowering extremists like Jerry Boykin!
For the record, here’s just how extreme Jerry Boykin is:
He believes that President Obama is creating a personal Brownshirt Army to enforce Marxism in America
He believes that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the top levels of U.S. government, intelligence services, media, and the military
He believes that Muslims are not protected by the First Amendment and that there should be no mosques in America
He believes that American Jews support Democrats because they misunderstand Hitler’s political philosophy
He believes that there can be no interfaith dialogue between Muslims and Christians
A day after meeting with these ideologues, Mitt Romney refused to condemn Rep. Michele Bachmann for her baseless witch-hunt against the Muslim Brotherhood, which makes sense, since it was fanatics like Jerry Boykin who provided the “evidence” that inspired Bachmann to go on that witch-hunt.
Mitt Romney is pandering to right-wing extremists in his pursuit of power. Tell him that’s not right, and that’s not the American way!
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
3:09 pm
“Looks like Ben is right, s usual.”
You mean like the Bush Administration officials and their taxes?
That kind of right?
hahahahahaha
TaxPayer
August 10th, 2012
3:09 pm
A horse is a horse of course of course too bad that one’s not a talking horse. ’cause maybe it would tell us just what those Romney’s tax returns show about how Mitt invested that South American blood money and used it to raid businesses and ruin lives so they could live the good life, tax free possibly, off other’s suffering… if only
Thulsa Doom
August 10th, 2012
3:10 pm
“Ann Romney incurred $77,731 of expenses related to Rob Rom in 2012. The Romneys did not deduct $77,731 of horse-related expenses. The passive loss rules don’t let them do that. They deducted $49, the proportionate amount covered by passive income.”
that black guy,
Then I stand corrected. As do a lot of libs. The $77,000 figure I had seen several libs post it several times a few weeks ago. So naturally I just assumed it to be true. I take the libs at their word and end up getting burned by their lie. Won’t do that again.
Peadawg
August 10th, 2012
3:10 pm
“I don’t owe you the responses you want the way you want them, no.”
That’s the same bs you pulled with me.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
August 10th, 2012
3:10 pm
JHM, see Kammy at 3:03? Looks like Ben is right, s usual.
Gonna have to reiterate JHM — I don’t owe you the responses you want the way you want them, no.
Ben Shockley
August 10th, 2012
3:10 pm
Joe, I did not request, nor do I care to read, your life story, son.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
3:10 pm
Huntsman Sr. wants to see his papers too.
Peadawg
August 10th, 2012
3:11 pm
“Oh I forgot…you don’t give straight answers.”
Ya good luck with it. Joe will spout something about how he doesn’t owe you anything blah blah blah you don’t deserve a straight answer blah blah blah.