What Gingrich, Santorum, etc. got right about Romney
Back in the heat of the primary season, Republican leaders grew very uneasy when Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry began to attack Mitt Romney as an out-of-touch rich guy who built his wealth through “vulture capitalism” (Rick Perry’s term) and was hiding something in his taxes. Among other concerns, GOP leaders recognized that if such attacks on Romney worked, they might end up with Gingrich, Santorum or Perry as their nominee.
That was not an outcome they were willing to risk, so they quickly ruled that line of attack out of bounds.
These days, however, they may be reaping the consequences of that decision. The latest CNN poll has Barack Obama pulling out to a seven-point lead over Romney. Ipsos/Reuters also puts the margin at seven, while Fox News puts it at nine. And as Fox notes, the internals are more worrisome still for Romney:
“Obama’s advantage comes largely from increased support among independents, who now pick him over Romney by 11 percentage points. Some 30 percent of independents are undecided. Last month, Obama had a four-point edge among independents, while Romney had the advantage from April through early June….
“The Obama campaign has spent heavily on advertising attacking Romney’s time at Bain Capital and his tax returns. And it appears to be working. Romney’s favorable rating dropped six percentage points since last month and now sits at 46 percent, down from 52 percent in mid-July. At the same time his unfavorable rating went up five points. Romney’s favorable rating has held steady among his party faithful, but it’s down eight percentage points among independents and seven points among Democrats.”
Moreover, Fox notes, Obama outpolls Romney by eight percentage points on the question of which man is more likely to help people achieve the American dream, which constitutes the foundation of the Romney strategy. And the erosion of support isn’t limited to the party’s nominees:
“While Democrats typically hold a slight edge over Republicans nationally in party identification, this attitude shifts based on events and changing sentiment. These days, voters seem to be even more likely to consider themselves Democrats than Republicans. There has been a five-percentage-point Democratic advantage, on average, in Fox News polls this year. In this poll, the Democratic edge is nine points. That may or may not be on the high side, although it is similar to other recent national polls conducted by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal, which put Democrats up 11 percentage points, and the Pew Research Center, with Democrats up by 13 percent.”
(In a humorous aside, only one major polling outfit in the last three weeks — the ever-reliable Rasmussen — has Romney leading, with the former Massachusetts governor up by four. See below.)
Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
It’s still early, of course — the campaign holds a lot of unanticipated twists and turns ahead. But for the moment, the line of attack against Romney that Republican leaders ruled off-limits in the GOP primary seems to be working quite well when employed by Democrats. The party’s decision to protect Romney back in January and February — in effect, Gingrich et al were told not to look the dressage horse in the mouth — meant that he was never forced to develop an explanation or defense against such criticism, and it appears that he has yet to do so to this day.
With voters now forming their early impressions of the GOP nominee, that could prove to have been a major blunder.
– Jay Bookman
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getalife
August 10th, 2012
10:38 am
My expectations for our President boiled down to one thing.
Save our country from the w disaster and guess what.
He did so he gets my vote.
Steve
August 10th, 2012
10:38 am
Why was John Kerry skewered for being a flip flopper, but when RobMe does it, he gets a free pass?
TaxPayer
August 10th, 2012
10:39 am
Paul,
I do not bring up the dressage in an attempt to demean the person or to belittle one with the disease. In fact, I merely bring it up in the context of the tax deduction that may be claimed by one with sufficient means and try to associate it with the portion of Mitt’s tax plan whereby he wishes to give those of his stature yet another tax cut while not increasing taxes on those of lesser value and also maintaining revenue neutrality. Surely, he has discussed the prospect of losing that medical expense writeoff with his better half and been thoroughly rebuked for daring to even consider its elimination. So, what are his other options. Cut the tax writeoff for tithes? I think not…
Woodstock Mike
August 10th, 2012
10:39 am
“War on Women doesn’t exist? Tell the Komen foundation losing over 30% of their donation, the president resigning in disgrace all due to being a part of the GOP War on Women. Ask Karen Handel.”
Oh yeah!! Republicans hate women and Mitt Romney killed somebody!!! LOL
What a dummy!!
Mick
August 10th, 2012
10:40 am
Romney can’t close the deal; just wait for the great debates, obama will pull ahead and have the wind at his back. I just hope his coat tails throw the house back to the dems. The economy is trending in the right direction, there is not much we can do about european woes and their austerity remedy. Romney has not made a compelling case for change, especially to elect him…
Woodstock Mike
August 10th, 2012
10:41 am
“Save our country from the w disaster and guess what.
He did so he gets my vote.”
In other words, this guy above doesn’t care how bad Obama does, doesn’t care how bad things are in America, none of it is Obama’s fault, it’s all George Bush!! Talk about a dummy!
Welcome to the Occupation
August 10th, 2012
10:42 am
“the line of attack against Romney that Republican leaders ruled off-limits in the GOP primary seems to be working quite well when employed by Democrats”
Jay I think you’re missing the point here a bit. You understand that the real reason Republican party bigs got the Gingrich/Perry “vulture capital” line of attack shut down had nothing to do with sparing the Romney candidacy of criticism don’t you? Recall that at the time Occupy was still very fresh on the minds of people and causing no small amount of fear in the ruling class, of BOTH parties – recall the directives that went out by operatives like Douglas Schoen, for ex. So it was not so much Republican leaders shutting down the “vulture capitalism” line as it was the ruling class per se acting through its GOP wing and on behalf of its Wall St. masters that could not under any circumstances allow a line of attack to get out of hand in a campaign that could risk triggering a wider movement among the population, which could have been a real danger if it had been allowed to become a defining theme WITHIN a REPUBLICAN primary, of all things. That simply could not be tolerated. That’s why you had GOP pooh-bahs behind the scene working to get that stamped out pron-TO, and on the Dem side the usual DLC hit men doing their part. It was about CLASS, not a single candidate.
the cat
August 10th, 2012
10:42 am
why thank you Woodstock Mike for calling me a dummy. You obviously are a misogynist yourself. Go ahead and google what it means.
Oh yeah!! Republicans hate women and Mitt Romney killed somebody!!! LOL
What a dummy!!
It will come back to bite you cons on the a$$
Up Up and Away
August 10th, 2012
10:42 am
“What a dummy!!”
This from the same blogger who said a week or so ago that name calling is a sign that the individual has nothing of substance to add.
hahahahahaha
You must have finally looked in the mirror. You do it all the time
Woodstock Mike
August 10th, 2012
10:43 am
When you see Democrats say the econmony is trending in the right direction you realize how completely out of touch these liberals are with reality. You guys need a lesson on economics.
Jefferson
August 10th, 2012
10:44 am
When Bain Capital takes over, people die. Romney is Mr Bain, where does his buck stop ?
Jackie
August 10th, 2012
10:44 am
@Woodstock
It is interesting that you think minorities would be foolish enough to support Roomney.
His policies are the same as those of Bush, which devastated the minority communities.
Your own statistics point clearly to the problem visited on the minority communities by Bush policies.
Jefferson
August 10th, 2012
10:44 am
I guess you liked the trend in 2008 better.
Woodstock Mike
August 10th, 2012
10:44 am
Hi “the cat”
Guess what, I am a Republican and I don’t hate women, how can that be possible?
southpaw
August 10th, 2012
10:45 am
Not long ago, someone posted a link to a U.S. map, with each state identified by how it’s predicted to vote. The electoral votes were 267 for Obama, 191 for Romney, with 80 still uncertain. Consider this scenario: Romney wins the nationwide popular vote (questionable, but plausible), and Obama wins California (virtually certain). Under legislation passed and signed about a year ago, California’s 55 electoral votes will go to Romney, despite the majority of Californians voting for Obama. That would change the above totals to 212 for Obama and 246 for Romney. Conventional wisdom says that Romney has to win all the swing states to win the election; I’m not so sure.
Mick
August 10th, 2012
10:45 am
The fact of the matter is that the previous president couldn’t get himself elected to dog catcher at the end of his epic ruin. The stench is still so bad after 4 years that he will not be allowed to be seen or heard in Tampa. Why remind voters of his monumental fail???
Woodstock Mike
August 10th, 2012
10:45 am
Economic numbers are the worst in history under Obama. When you liberals continue to support everything he does it makes you look incredibly dumb. He’s not perfect, sorry guys!!
BS Aplenty
August 10th, 2012
10:46 am
I wouldn’t count Romney out just yet. The tax returns his time creating business (that employs highly paid individuals) are temporary distractions. The Obama campaign is firing all their bullets early. and certainly. some of the state-by-state polls of likely voters currently favor Obama. However, their are, with equal certainty, several strategic vectors of attack that Romney will pursue after the Tampa convention. Then we’ll see how the state polls and the Independent voters turn.
Jackie
August 10th, 2012
10:46 am
@Woodstock
Please give us your learned version of how we are to interpret the economy and factual information as to why you choose to espouse your position(s).
Doggone/GA
August 10th, 2012
10:46 am
“What is it about Fox that’s often heard from the left? They lie and distort?”
Bro – getting to this a bit late! I don’t watch FOX, so can’t really comment on their veracity or lack of it. But as a general statement: the best way to get people to believe your lies is to pepper them with things that are true.
Rightwing Troll
August 10th, 2012
10:48 am
“Here is a simple question to determine if the Democrat lies about Romney’s tax returns make any sense at all. Would any of you, file a tax return and then provide a copy of that return to one or more of your co-workers?”
In response to the Repblican lies as to why he shouldn’t and doesn’t have to disclose: What about when a perspective employer demands to see your tax info and credit history?
Welcome to the Occupation
August 10th, 2012
10:48 am
“Economic numbers are the worst in history under Obama.”
What does that even mean, Woodstock Mike? Worse in history? Sorry, you’ll have to explain.
Jefferson
August 10th, 2012
10:48 am
It ain’t working Mikey…
Mick
August 10th, 2012
10:49 am
woodstock
So mccain/palin would have us better off? Seriously? We’d be mired in at least two or three additional wars along with a depression. Wake up and smell the coffee…
Brosephus™
August 10th, 2012
10:50 am
“President Obama’s policies have been devastating to minority communities and to the most vulnerable in our society.
Give me an effin’ break… As though you really give a rat’s ass about the minority community.
If you actually cared, you would know that historically, the unemployment rate for Blacks has always been TWICE the national average. When Bush’s rate was 5.3%, guess what the rate for Blacks was? It was more than 10%.
I wish y’all would quit trying to stir up crap where there is nothing to stir up. Quit trying to use race to stir division. Nothing worse than an ill-informed person trying to sound smart by quoting some ignorant crap.
the cat
August 10th, 2012
10:50 am
The republican convention is going to be fun to watch. So many egos and oblivious folks in one room. Will the horse be brought onto stage??
Steve
August 10th, 2012
10:52 am
It gives me such satisfaction to know, this early, that Robme has already sunk his ship. Clearly. What does he have going for him? The votes of rich white men?
Recon 0311 2533
August 10th, 2012
10:53 am
Obama has made a compelling case for change.
Paul
August 10th, 2012
10:53 am
Taxpayer
Good points. From what I’ve been able to glean from his very generalized tax proposal, that kind of deduction, or a further increase in the ceiling on medical deductions, could very well be on the chopping block.
I trust you see my point, also – that for an awful lot of people, it wasn’t about what therapy works and what wasn’t, it was more along the lines of “they’re trying to justify THAT s a tax deduction? You gotta be kidding me” when it was already a permitted deduction.
Brosephus™
August 10th, 2012
10:53 am
Woodstock Mike
Here’s a link to help you begin to educate yourself about Black American unemployment.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/02/news/economy/black_unemployment_rate/index.htm
“This month’s numbers continue to bear out that longstanding pattern that minorities have a much more challenging time getting jobs,” said Bill Rodgers, chief economist with the Heldrich Center for Workforce Development at Rutgers University.
Black unemployment has been roughly double that of whites since the government started tracking the figures in 1972.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
August 10th, 2012
10:53 am
Economic numbers are the worst in history under Obama.
Hard to take someone seriously when they say things like this.
Ever hear of the great depression ?
DOW was at 8,000 when Obama took over. Its over 13,000 now
Care to revise your statement ?
Get Real
August 10th, 2012
10:54 am
the cat
maybe I will ask Sandra Fluke…..pleazzzzz what a joke
HDB
August 10th, 2012
10:55 am
Woodstock Mike
August 10th, 2012
10:45 am
You better rethink your perspective…..news is out that the economy IS getting better! For me, it got better as soon as Obama got in the White House!!
Economy might be gaining traction, new data suggest
By Zachary A. Goldfarb and Michael A. Fletcher, Published: August 9
After a spring and summer of weak economic indicators, a flurry of fresh data suggest key sectors of the economy might be gaining traction, just as the battle for the White House enters the final round.
The long-moribund housing market has bustled to life, with prices and new-home construction rising in recent weeks. Hiring, so weak earlier this year, picked up last month. And on Thursday, the government reported an acceleration of a downward trend in the number of people seeking unemployment insurance, as well as a sharp improvement in U.S. exports.
Together, the signs point to an improving economy, a potentially important shift for President Obama’s re-election campaign.
“The better the economy between now and November, the better it is for Democrats and Obama,” said Ray C. Fair, a Yale University professor who studies the relationship between economics and electoral outcomes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/economy-might-be-gaining-traction-new-data-suggest/2012/08/09/23fadef8-e23a-11e1-98e7-89d659f9c106_story.html?hpid=z1
the cat
August 10th, 2012
10:55 am
Get Real-what would you ask Sandra Fluke, big guy?
Steve
August 10th, 2012
10:56 am
Woodstock Mike has no clue that the housing market has turned around because Faux News doesn’t dare report it.
southpaw
August 10th, 2012
10:57 am
Spoke too soon. Apparently that law takes effect only if enough other states adopt the same law, with a combined electoral vote of at least 270 being the definition of “enough other states.” Please ignore my 10:45 post.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
10:58 am
Bro
Good information, but he doesn’t care. It is a talking point he read in an Op Ed or heard on talk radio.
Mad him feel better about himself, so he touts that amongst the other garbage he brings to the blog.
Welcome to the Occupation
August 10th, 2012
10:59 am
Given that the current president’s predecessor presided over a hemorrhaging not seen since the great depression, and that did stop under this president, I would think that sort of problematizes your “worst in history” claim just a bit, don’t you think, Woodstock Mike? I mean, you gotta at least address that little hurdle to your argument, don’t you think?
Jackie
August 10th, 2012
10:59 am
Woodstock Mike is a classic example of “…throwing the rock, then hiding his hand.”
After all that is done, he declares he did nothing of the sort. He says to all that will listen; “…did I do that?”
Brosephus™
August 10th, 2012
11:00 am
Doggone
I don’t watch Fox either. I just love the rhetoric that’s thrown at them. It’s kinda funny to see each side throw their rhetoric not realizing that changing only a few words flips it from Right to Left.
Paul
August 10th, 2012
11:00 am
Woodstock Mike
“Economic numbers are the worst in history under Obama”
You may want to consult The Statistical Abstract of the United States” or the OMB before you post anything else……
edman
August 10th, 2012
11:01 am
” . . . [N]ot to look the dressage horse in the mouth.” Bwaaa-hahahahaha.
Jefferson
August 10th, 2012
11:01 am
Every economic record could be breaking and Mikey would still vote GOP so spare us the drama like it matter to you. Too bad you are upset about your President.
Aquagirl
August 10th, 2012
11:02 am
Guess what, I am a Republican and I don’t hate women, how can that be possible?
Woodstock Mike likes women so much he’s here to tell us what we should think. Lots of men are like that. And they are genuinely clueless how much creepy drips from their utterances.
So get back out in that kitchen and fetch him a sammich while he fixes that Republican war on wimmen, beeyotch.
Brosephus™
August 10th, 2012
11:02 am
They BOTH
That particular meme has been floating around for a while. The funny thing is, the very people pushing it try to sound as if they’re actually concerned with Black unemployment numbers. If they were even remotely concerned, there’s plenty of information that shows the historical trend has always been around twice the national average. A simple Google search shows that.
Steve
August 10th, 2012
11:04 am
Conservatives hate Oblama soooooooooo much!
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
11:05 am
Bro
That is my point exactly. He doesn’t care, he is just being a macaw and parroting what he heard or read somewhere.
As you see, he has produced nothing to bolster his assertions. He knows he lied, but are you surprised?
D.Savula
August 10th, 2012
11:05 am
What happend to the CBP Poll that shows Romney up 1 point over Obama?
Brosephus™
August 10th, 2012
11:06 am
but are you surprised?
Do wild grizzly bears take a dump in porcelain toilets and flush afterwards?
Peadawg
August 10th, 2012
11:07 am
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-ad-alleges-romney-role-notorious-tax-scandal-040118660–abc-news-politics.html
“As he decries the negativity of campaign ads while on the stump in battleground states, President Obama should take a close look in the mirror.”
JOBS JOBS JOBS!!!
amirite, Adam?
Get Real
August 10th, 2012
11:07 am
The Cat
It would not ask her anything, it is what I would tell her. If you feel she represents your view of the world then good for you…sad, but good for you… The women I know are totally embarrassed by her and go out of their way to separate themselves from her viewpoint…
Trolls Bane
August 10th, 2012
11:07 am
1. Regarding “Obamacare” : Only in the US can one party take another party’s ideas – “Obamacare” was modeled after the plan passed in Mass and signed by Romney combined with republican party and heritage foundation, and the other party (whose idea it was to begin with) freak out
2. Its no surprise that more ppl (outside the regressive / backwards deep south) are trending more Democrat .. the repukes have done such a great job of running off anyone that does not toe the line and follow there extreemism
Recon 0311 2533
August 10th, 2012
11:07 am
The somebody who still gets into a snit when someone else see’s things differently. That somebody needs to do a little bit more analytical work on what Gallup and Rasmussen reflect in their polling. Interesting you agreed several months ago that the state of the economy would dictate the election outcome. If you believe that 1.5% GDP has the economy heading in the right direction it explains your difficulty interpreting polling data. I get the picture/
St Simons - he-ne-ha
August 10th, 2012
11:07 am
Yes, Ohio & Florida are still blue.
But what is striking about this is – Georgia, Missouri, Tenn, and South
Carolina all went pink or light red, I can’t tell which.
http://www.electoral-vote,com
and this says we keep the Senate.
yeah that ‘not release my taxes’ strategy is perfect, Lord High Hairgel
Pleeeease keep that, mon.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:08 am
mikey,
Yes, I watched w destroy our country and watched our President being us back.
Mission Accomplished but to return the gop to power to do it again is insane.
I am not insane like you mikey.
I don’t expect a different result from your party.
Peadawg
August 10th, 2012
11:08 am
Even Faux has Obama leading. Yikes.
ken
August 10th, 2012
11:08 am
Seems like Obama has made the American Dream beening a leech off of the Government.
sam
August 10th, 2012
11:09 am
do we really trust economic numbers and statements coming out of woodstock? now if it were numbers on inbreeding and meth production that would be something.
Trolls Bane
August 10th, 2012
11:10 am
A case in point regarding repuke idiocy … there are two demographics ripe to be taken advantage of by the repuke social conservatism … black church goers and latin … both uneducated ( they do not value education highly) and family oriented … just like white rednecks … except for race, and the repukes have successfully driven both groups into the arms of the democratic party
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:11 am
ken,
About the leech argument.
It is you cons that want to leech on healthcare but if you took a look at the welfare numbers before the collapse and compare them to now, you would know the increase of welfare is caused by the gop losing 9 million jobs.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
11:11 am
Is Recon in a little tizzy this morning?
He must knock out Obama to have a chance. It is that simple.
The problem is that the Republicans brought Mitt Romney to the table. Mitt the Flip Romney.
He may not even win the popular vote, but Romney will probably lose to a mediocre Obama
Paul
August 10th, 2012
11:13 am
ken
“Seems like Obama has made the American Dream beening a leech off of the Government.”
Don’t we know it. Like those 1500 people with annual incomes over a million dollars who paid no taxes…. like those corporations whose earnings are at record levels who still demand billions in subsidies….. we’re a country of well-to-do leeches, don’tcha’ know?
Aquagirl
August 10th, 2012
11:13 am
The women I know are totally embarrassed by her and go out of their way to separate themselves from her viewpoint…
“The women I know say….” is pretty much up there with “some of my best friends are black.” Men who claim the women they know all agree with them drip with the creepy too.
Brosephus™
August 10th, 2012
11:13 am
now if it were numbers on inbreeding and meth production that would be something.
Way beyond what’s called for here. You don’t help yourself by posting such things.
independent thinker
August 10th, 2012
11:14 am
What really did it for me was that interview with Anne Romney when she blurted out “We have given you people all the information you need”. Yeah but according to her and Mitt “we the people” do not deserve the 20+ years of returns that McCain got for the VP slot when we are evaluating a future president? Give me a break.
How did that $77,000 tax write off for a dancing horse do in its Olympic dance? I hope better than Mitt’s numbers.
I am waiting to hear from someone an explanation of how legally that IRA of Mitt’s could balloon to over 100 million dollars too. And then there is Mitt’s lies about Bain not profiting off of outsourcing while he was in charge. Give me another break.
How about those South American “business men” that gave him the initial vulture capital? Exactly what business were they in? natural pharmaceuticals ?
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
11:14 am
I have looked at Rasmussen, just this morning.
Based on his info, Obama is is leading in more swing states than Romney. This notion that Romney is going to win every state he is in a statistical tie but trailing is dreaming at best.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
11:15 am
Peadawy
Fox and WSJ…….
asinglemom
August 10th, 2012
11:15 am
As a true Independant I can tell you I hate races being fought in desperation which is what I see here
What happens when all of us (the independants) stay home……Mitt wins
larry
August 10th, 2012
11:16 am
If you believe that 1.5% GDP has the economy heading in the right direction it explains your difficulty interpreting polling data. I get the picture/
Notice that the 1.5% GDP is positive. That means that the economy is headed in the right direction. When you see this -1.5%, that means the economy is not headed in the right direction.
I believe GDP was in negative territory the last time we had a Repub in the white house.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
11:17 am
asinglemom
Well if you want Romney to win, stay home and see if that theory works
However, I would prefer you vote for someone
TaxPayer
August 10th, 2012
11:18 am
Let’s see,
Newt was funded by Sheldon Adelson during those Republican kiss-and-tells while Santorum was backed by Friess and Perry had his wealthy backer and these three were attacking Mitt for some of his less than honorable approaches to building and maintaining his wealth. Pots. Meet kettle. Other than that, Republicans attacking each other makes for some great entertainment. I personally would like to see even more of that. So, what Mitt’s position on the role of women in society? Should they stick to window shopping for dressage?
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
11:18 am
Peadawg not Peadawy
Sorry about that
Recon 0311 2533
August 10th, 2012
11:19 am
TBS,
Obama’s been knocking himself out. If you really believe Obama has a comfortable lead and will surely win, I only hope you can console yourself if it turns out you’re wrong.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:20 am
It is a pretty good indicator that our economy will continue to improve when the robme campaign abandoned their strategy to run on the economy and went to slinging poo to see if something sticks.
fox and drudgey are desperately trying but failed.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
11:20 am
TaxPayer
What is ironic about Adelson is that while he is pumping in millions to unseat Obama, you can go to his casinos today and place a bet on the election.
Guess who the odds favor?
He might have his personal politically ideas, but he is no fool.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:20 am
That and gas prices are rising.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
11:21 am
Recon
Look in the mirror. You will be unhinged if Obama wins.
You will be making excuses for your excuses
ken
August 10th, 2012
11:22 am
Paul, take a trip to the SS office and you will see many people in their 30’s, 40′ and 50’s trying somehow, someway to get a check.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:22 am
Another downside of having unlimited donations is money laundering.
I think sheldon might be busted for that.
TaxPayer
August 10th, 2012
11:24 am
I believe GDP was in negative territory the last time we had a Repub in the white house.
Negative territory would be an understatement. Republicans pushed the economy off the cliff and while it was plummeting to earth, in typical who farted in the crowded room style, they all looked around at each other with that blank, “Who! ME!” expression on their faces while waiting for a Democrat to enter the room so they would all have someone to point at and proclaim, “You Lie!” as soon as he tried to deny total responsibility. Yep. That’s the true Republican style. They’ll poop in their pants and then try to claim that someone came while they slept and slipped it in there.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:24 am
ken,
I think Paul’s idea to take a trip to see our country is a great idea.
Going to an SS office, not so much.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
11:25 am
Recon
If Romney wins, I hope he does a good job.
But if I were you, I wouldn’t bet on it
Don't Tread
August 10th, 2012
11:26 am
Next week: “What Hillary got right about Obama”.
Oh, wait…wrong blog.
Erwin's cat
August 10th, 2012
11:27 am
Steve @10:30Erwin – debunked? Really, by whom? Old white men? The data is clear and on the Internets…women are not being paid the same as men. They are paid less. Clearly. Honestly. Yes. Read something. Learn something.
let me find a link and maybe you’ll learn something instead of parroting bumper stickers…stay tuned
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
August 10th, 2012
11:28 am
let me find a link and maybe you’ll learn something instead of parroting bumper stickers…stay tuned
This should be interesting. LOL
independent thinker
August 10th, 2012
11:28 am
You know Romney is in trouble when he and the GOP have trot out gasbag Newt this week to tell some lies about Obama and welfare and food stamps to shore up the white bigots vote.Next we’ll be back to Trump and birther conspiracies. And maybe even Sarah with some of her vast knowledge of economics.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:29 am
Don’t tread,
Knowing Hillary agreed with our President most of the time the answer is most everything.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
11:29 am
Has anyone seen the Obama movie that was produced by the guy who did “Schindler’s List”?
Paul
August 10th, 2012
11:29 am
independent thinker
What other legal deductions do you think Americans shouldn’t take?
Home mortgage interest?
Medical?
Over 65?
Exemptions for kids?
What this is really about is reflected in the Daily Kos article so similar to your post: “”I don’t think Americans should be subsidizing this…” But it’s not about the tax law – it’s all about the people who avail themselves of legal deductions.
There have already been posts this morning detailing how the IRA could get to that level. Legally. But again, it’s not about being legal, is it? It’s about condemning a person for following laws one doesn’t like.
Perhaps you’d like to channel some of that ire into persuading the administration to submit a comprehensive tax-reform proposal? You know, like maybe even appointing a commission to recommend changes? They might even recommend eliminating such deductions and increasing rates on the very wealthy!
Pres Obama could appoint a number of people to it. Might even get Bowles and Simpson to head it up.
Oh wait… Obama did that? And the commission made recommendations just like that?
And Pres Obama didn’t do a thing with those recommendations?
My, my…..
Steve
August 10th, 2012
11:29 am
Erwin, find me a link from a valid website, not some right wing nutjob blog.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:30 am
Independent,
It tells me they are losing their base.
Recon 0311 2533
August 10th, 2012
11:30 am
Are you looking at states that Obama safely won in 08. States like PA. Obama only has a four point lead. Wisconsin, Obama only has a 3 point lead. Michigan, Obama only has a 6 point lead’ Iowa, North Carolina, Indiana. The swing states where Obama leads the polling is well within the margin of error. Have you considered the undecided vote where one poll indicated 62% Obama disapproval but as yet undecided on Romney. History shows that the undecided vote just before an election typically breaks for the challenger. I think you’re kidding yourself that this is a cake walk for Obama.
ragnar danneskjold
August 10th, 2012
11:31 am
Why is Rasmussen the only poll that does not oversample democrats by 10%? I think we can agree that democrats will vote for Obama, and republicans will vote for Romney. The only real question is whether the dithering middle would prefer another four years of leftism, or whether they would prefer a president with some minimal competence in economics.
They BOTH suck
August 10th, 2012
11:32 am
independent thinker
Oh the bither bs is coming back. Blogger on here brought up some foreign exchange student bs this week. He produced an assertion from a student at Harvard at the time. Even validated it with an interview clip on Fox.
It was comical indeed. More so that the blogger think he was producing facts than the assertion itself.
Paul
August 10th, 2012
11:32 am
ken
Do you think those people are violating the laws passed by Congress?
Or are you simply irritated they’re getting something you’re not?
Would you like to trade your good health for their condition and their monthly allowance?
TaxPayer
August 10th, 2012
11:34 am
From bls.gov,
From 1979 to 2004, women’s earnings as a percent of men’s increased by 18 percentage points,
from 62 to 80 percent.
That was the first thing I came across. Perhaps Erwin has something more recent.
Brosephus™
August 10th, 2012
11:34 am
whether they would prefer a president with some minimal competence in economics.
When either party nominates one, let me know.
getalife
August 10th, 2012
11:34 am
It looks like those who trust ras. are the same cons that trusts willard on his taxes.
We all know when the cons claimed to be patriotic they were just being blind partisan cons as usual.
Recon 0311 2533
August 10th, 2012
11:35 am
“But if I were you, I wouldn’t bet on it”
TBS, you’ve never seen me post anything that says I was betting on it. I’ve posted quite a bit on why I don’t think it would be wise to bet on Obama either.
fair and balanced
August 10th, 2012
11:36 am
Taxpayer got it right- that is the Karl Rove method of blaming someone else for stinking up the room after his candidate got caught laying one. Most of the Republicans truly believe Bill Clinton was responsible for the security lapses on 9-11. I assume Clinton advised Bush and Condi to tell those daily briefers to shove it when they reported an imminent attack. Maybe even old Bill told Bush to read ” My pet goat” while the country was being attacked and put madman Cheney in charge. And now Romney is relying on the same clowns to formulate his foreign policy views.