One pro-Obama ad reveals a lot about 2012 campaign
One controversial ad by an Obama SuperPAC encapsulates so much that makes the 2012 presidential campaign distinctive:
– In its specifics, the ad is deceptive and brutally unfair. It suggests that by closing a Missouri steel plant and stripping its workers of health insurance, Mitt Romney and Bain Capital were in part responsible for the subsequent death of a worker’s wife by cancer. It’s the kind of gut-wrenching charge that — if made at all — at least ought to be strongly backed by facts. Instead, the implication that Romney is to blame is barely plausible at best, given the timelines involved. Those who condemn the ad as irresponsible are correct in that assessment.
– However, in a Citizens United world, in which quasi-independent groups raise and spend vast amounts of campaign cash, this type of ad will become more and more familiar. Candidates can claim to have no knowledge of or control over such advertisements, and thus no responsibility for it. The rich donors who paid for the ad are often anonymous, meaning they too cannot be held responsible. And if no one is responsible, irresponsibility results. This is not rocket science, even if the geniuses on the Supreme Court are unable to grasp it.
– Accuracy aside, the underlying theme of the ad is powerful and emotionally resonant. Outside predators such as Mitt Romney and Bain Capital can perform a useful function in a capitalist economy. They come into a company and make ruthless, heartless decisions without regard to the human cost, decisions that those with a longer history or commitment to the company perhaps cannot bring themselves to make. Over the long haul, in a macro-economic sense, that can be useful. But one of the primary questions of the 2012 race is whether the American people will be comfortable putting a person with that mentality and background in the Oval Office.
– Appearing on Fox News Wednesday, Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul denounced the ad in question as deceptive and unfair. However, she also noted that if the steelworkers in question had been working in Massachusetts instead of Missouri, their health coverage would have been protected by the health-insurance program created by Romney, a program that later served as the direct model for ObamaCare:
“To that point, you know, if people had been in Massachusetts under Governor Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,” Saul said. “There are a lot of people losing their jobs and their health care in President Obama’s economy.”
While Saul’s observation was valid, it caused a huge outrage among conservatives, with many calling for Saul’s firing for the outrageous act of actually telling the truth. Es ist verboten on the right to acknowledge even the existence of RomneyCare during this campaign, let alone that it actually might serve a useful function.
That brings us back once again to the central question of the 2012 campaign: If we are to live in an Bain-type economy in which brutish efficiency is the primary goal and the human impact is not to be considered in decision-making, what steps if any should government take to protect individual Americans from the worst vagaries of that process?
In an era of increasingly no-holds-barred capitalism, do we also slash unemployment insurance, job training, Medicaid benefits, Social Security and ObamaCare, so that individuals are even more fully exposed to the cruel caprices of free enterprise? Or do such programs become even more important in an era in which jobs, companies and indeed entire industries can disappear quickly?
– Jay Bookman
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East Lake Ira
August 9th, 2012
3:25 pm
Get Real – Why the heat? I’m just encouraging you to keep up the good work. No need to get nasty.
Please do as I ask and keep this ad in the forefront of your fevered rage against our President. Please. (See, I’m being polite.)
Please share the facts you seem to believe I am afraid of and explain how I am wrong to believe otherwise.
I’ll make you a deal, you do this for me and I’ll do my level best to make sure everyone hears how Mitt lies as smoothly and effortlessly as he breathes. That way we’ll cancel each other out, right?
Please?
Pretty please with a cherry on top?
Moran.
Aint that a sham
August 9th, 2012
3:26 pm
I’m liberal
Thanks for the reply. Reason I mentioned it is because you mentioned the polls in regards to black support, but didn’t bring up general polling
barking frog
August 9th, 2012
3:26 pm
Medicare for those that can
afford it, Medicaid for those
that cannot. Private insurers
will administer both for a
fee. Just a matter of time.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 9th, 2012
3:26 pm
B. Frog — “JoeHusseinMama
That law should apply to
all military medals and
awards.”
Hard to do, given that the SCOTUS itself has ruled that “time, manner and place” restrictions on free speech do not infringe First Amendment liberties, if they are narrowly drawn and serve a compelling state interest.
FWIW, if you’re a serviceman or reservist, don’t try expressing your free speech by putting on decorations you’re not authorized to wear. If you do, you’ll soon be standing tall before the CO and receiving your punishment.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
3:28 pm
My life ( IMO) if Obama wins a second term. Higher income taxes, Higher Capital gains taxes. Higher insurance premiums. High fuel cost. Higher power bills. overall, less money in my pocket.
Doggone/GA
August 9th, 2012
3:29 pm
“Capitalism is by definition meant to be heartless.”
Funny, I don’t see the word “heartless” in this definition:
cap·i·tal·ism /ˈkæpɪtlˌɪzəm/ Show Spelled[kap-i-tl-iz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.
”
A business that makes nothing but money is a poor business. ”
Henry Ford
“If everyone is moving forward together, then success takes care of itself.”
Henry Ford
“It is not the employer who pays the wages. Employers only handle the money. It is the customer who pays the wages. ”
Henry Ford
“Speculation is only a word covering the making of money out of the manipulation of prices, instead of supplying goods and services. ”
Henry Ford
“The highest use of capital is not to make more money, but to make money do more for the betterment of life.”
Henry Ford
“There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible.”
Henry Ford
Adam
August 9th, 2012
3:30 pm
Steve Atl: I have been over this before, but I work, have my own business, a car, my own place, and I’m doing just fine on all my expenses while putting some money away.
-I am NOT an Occupy person in a tent with an iPad (I laugh when I hear this one)
-I am NOT living in my mother’s basement
-A new one! I am not related to Jay
And in case it matters, I do not have an XBox. That thing could kill small children if it fell on them.
Adam
August 9th, 2012
3:31 pm
My life ( IMO) if Obama wins a second term. Higher income taxes, Higher Capital gains taxes. Higher insurance premiums. High fuel cost. Higher power bills. overall, less money in my pocket.
Your life if Romney wins: All of the above, except the taxes, only worse.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
3:32 pm
The only thing Adam occupies is this blog…LOL
Jefferson
August 9th, 2012
3:33 pm
As if Romney can do what the GOP said they would do, but gave us 2008. Not the 1st time they got bailed out, either. S&Ls followed a GOP white house.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 9th, 2012
3:34 pm
B. Frog — “Medicare for those that can
afford it, Medicaid for those
that cannot. Private insurers
will administer both for a
fee. Just a matter of time.”
This.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 9th, 2012
3:35 pm
The polls told us 8 weeks out that Carter had a 6-7 point lead on Regan
hmm.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2008/10/reagans_comeback.html
It looks like the race was pretty tight, polling wise. You’ll always have some outlier polls that have one guy way up or down, popping up.
Thing to keep in mind is, Carter’s approvals were way below Obama’s at this point in the race: Gallup had him at 32%.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx
Joe Hussein Mama
August 9th, 2012
3:35 pm
Golf clap for Doggone @ 3:29
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 9th, 2012
3:36 pm
My life ( IMO) if Obama wins a second term. Higher income taxes, Higher Capital gains taxes. Higher insurance premiums. High fuel cost. Higher power bills. overall, less money in my pocket.
If Romney wins, higher income taxes for lower and middle class, even higher insurance premiums and more people not covered raising medical costs, another war or two, less infrastructure spending, high fuel costs, higher power bills, even larger deficit and corporations not paying taxes, then recession and hey, less value in your portfolio.
Get Real
August 9th, 2012
3:38 pm
East Lake Ira
Biyatch…are we even now, what a loser
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
3:40 pm
Decibels….I love numbers and you are great at finding things. Can tell what was the number of Americans living on Government entitlements ( not SSI) during that Carter/Regan race vs this race. Be interesting to see the dynamics of people voting their living then vs now.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 9th, 2012
3:40 pm
“I don’t think we ought to get into a position where we say this is bad work,” Clinton said. “This is good work.”
Glass-Steagall was repealed on Clinton’s watch. Rubin and Summers was in the room when Brooksley Born warned of the impending danger of the unregulated derivatives market.
Clinton may have had some good qualities, but business economics isn’t one of them.
Peadawg
August 9th, 2012
3:41 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 9th, 2012
3:36 pm
So either way we’re screwed. Awesome!
East Lake Ira
August 9th, 2012
3:42 pm
Get Real – Nope. Learn to punctuate correctly and we can play again. As for now, I win.
Moran.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
3:42 pm
Good fight….maybe they might have a job to actually pay some taxes, just say’n
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 9th, 2012
3:43 pm
Well Pea, that is only if you believe the claims about Obama that are contrary to real evaluations of current programs and his stated plans. But you are welcome to join the quivvering GOP masses.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
3:43 pm
Monica said Bill had one good quality…
josef
August 9th, 2012
3:46 pm
On topic…
The 1828 campaign makes this one look like one of my Granny’s teas…
Where’s the IMAM?
At his Sons of the Confederate Veterans meeting?
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
3:46 pm
I love to read on here about how great Clinton was……And the GOP contract with America, which made him great, is never mentioned.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
August 9th, 2012
3:47 pm
Hunt pigs. Help the environment. Make your own bacon.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/08/hunt_wild_pigs_for_the_environment_kill_and_eat_invasive_species_.html
You had me at bacon!
Aint that a sham
August 9th, 2012
3:52 pm
I’m a libera
You sound like that dude “Liberal Logic” who keeps getting banned at Kyle’s and here.
Spin, spin, spin
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 9th, 2012
3:52 pm
I’m a lib….”I love to read on here about how great Clinton was……And the GOP contract with America, which made him great, is never mentioned.”
As mentioned earlier, Clinton should have vetoed the repeal of Glass Steagall when the GOP crafted it. Had he done so, there still would have been a separation between commercial and investment banks, which more than likely would have kept us from imploding in 2007. So no, Clinton wasn’t great in all areas, and I’ll be happy to have him share the blame with the GOP for destroying the world economy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 9th, 2012
3:53 pm
At his Sons of the Confederate Veterans meeting?
Why yes, I do believe that Jay is meeting with THE SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I love to read on here about how great Clinton was…
Do you know that Jay can read what you type before you post it?
Rightwing Troll
August 9th, 2012
3:54 pm
“My life ( IMO) if Obama wins a second term. Higher income taxes, Higher Capital gains taxes. Higher insurance premiums. High fuel cost. Higher power bills. overall, less money in my pocket.”
This has been going on at LEAST since Clinton left office, if not all of my adult life. All of the things have increased on average, each and every year, especially insurance premiums.
Why is this Obama’s fault? And what will Mittens do to stop it?
What, exactly has you so sure Mittens will stop all of these things from continuing to cost more?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
Finn @ 3.47, I first became aware of the invasive pig problem during a visit to Hawaii some years back. It seemed crazy to me that within the confines of relatively small islands, hunters still weren’t able to eradicate these menaces, or even come close to eradication.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
I think Jay will let you have a different opinion on here. I’ve learned what he doesn’t like…..But he loves his regulars on here who drink from the same cup, no doubt.
Rightwing Troll
August 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
“I love to read on here about how great Clinton was……And the GOP contract with America, which made him great, is never mentioned.”
You mean that worthless piece of paper the “conservatives” pushed on you rubes and then promptly abandoned after the elections of 94? Heh… whatever happened to the term limits in there?
Rightwing Troll
August 9th, 2012
3:58 pm
“Do you know that Jay can read what you type before you post it?”
You shouldn’t do that to the tin hat wearing bloggers… you know what it does to them…
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
August 9th, 2012
3:59 pm
What? The same Bill Clinton who signed the Commodities Exchange Act?
The same Bill Clinton who signed legislation ending Glass-Steagall?
The same Bill Clinton who signed NAFTA?
Not all of us libs sing his praises.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
4:00 pm
Troll, because I’m a free market guy, a harder worker, and stay ahead of all the above mentioned. In a Obama run government, the free market is and will be held back, thus less earnings and tougher times to pay for EVER increasing cost of freedom. I don’t want $ 831.45 from him and be told by him and Nancy to go stimulate the economy. He’s got that vote.
Adam
August 9th, 2012
4:01 pm
You mean that worthless piece of paper the “conservatives” pushed on you rubes and then promptly abandoned after the elections of 94? Heh… whatever happened to the term limits in there?
Contract 2.0 was also abandoned. No missile defense system, no replacement for Obamacare, etc.
Skip
August 9th, 2012
4:02 pm
Mitt lost to McCane, Momma Griz and he’s the “One”? Fat chance. Obama’s going to be harder to beat than Newt/ 999 and the rest of those wack jobs. Just in on CNN 52-45 Obama.
Aint that a sham
August 9th, 2012
4:02 pm
I’m a liberal
What do you mean “Jay will let you”?
People throw out different opinions every and all day on this blog.
Now Jay throws out those who go too far with the name calling and bs, but not for opinion alone.
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 9th, 2012
4:04 pm
Aint that a sham – “Now Jay throws out those who go too far with the name calling and bs, but not for opinion alone.”
Don’t forget that he can also see the URL that you post from, so he knows when someone switches names repeatedly in an attempt to be clever.
josef
August 9th, 2012
4:04 pm
Since we’re playing with the crystal ball and tarot cards…any predictions about what the October surprises are going to be?
Peadawg
August 9th, 2012
4:05 pm
“But you are welcome to join the quivvering GOP masses.”
No thanks. I’ll stick to the masses that say neither one of these candidates are worth a damn.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
4:05 pm
sham, I’ve been banned before, and I’m back, and if you like poking a hornets nest with a stick, there ain’t many better places than this. Pretty good loon hunting here.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 9th, 2012
4:05 pm
SfD — “Finn @ 3.47, I first became aware of the invasive pig problem during a visit to Hawaii some years back. It seemed crazy to me that within the confines of relatively small islands, hunters still weren’t able to eradicate these menaces, or even come close to eradication.”
They’re a beach to hunt out there. You can’t use firearms. So it’s spear, bow, knife and dogs.
http://www.honolulumagazine.com/Honolulu-Magazine/March-2012/Field-Guide-Urban-Pig-Hunting/
If you want to use firearms, you can go to the Big Island and pay beaucoup bucks to the Parker Ranch. You can even hunt for wild goat (even harder to get; think mountain goat) or feral cattle (I am not making this up).
http://hunt.parkerranch.com/hunts
The pigs like to hang out in this dense staghorn fern that grows all over the place in the hills and mountains; they make runs and warrens as if they were rabbits. The way it was explained to me, you have to send the dogs in to flush them out, then try to fix one with your spears. Then one guy gets to go in and finish the pig off with a knife. Alternately, you could try to nail them with your bow as they exit the ferns.
In short, game hunting in Hawaii is kind of rough if you’re used to just popping your prey with a rifle.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
4:07 pm
josef…………….Obama is a Muslim. Whoops, sorry, no one here would care.
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 9th, 2012
4:08 pm
Peadawg – “I’ll stick to the masses that say neither one of these candidates are worth a damn.”
Exactly! But what I can’t figure out, is if the GOP were so hot to elect a former Governor, successful business man who happened to be a Mormon, why did they pick the one that would be least likely to win against Obama?
St Simons - he-ne-ha
August 9th, 2012
4:08 pm
josef, my crystal ball says Romney drops out by October.
he’s got the luck of a man with a shawnee mother-in-law who’s an IRS
agent……wait….
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
4:09 pm
Josef………………Romney obeyed every Charlie Rangal tax law and paid no taxes….Kinda like GE
Aint that a sham
August 9th, 2012
4:09 pm
I’m a liberal
Well make sure you don’t allow your “loon hunting” to get you thrown off the range.
_________________________
Butch
Oh yeah. The AJC can track you down quickly if you are using the same computer or inputting the same email address. Regardless of you blog name
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 9th, 2012
4:10 pm
Is anyone watching the U.S. women’s gold medal match against Japan?
I don’t have access to NBCS, so what’s the score and how much time is left?
Aint that a sham
August 9th, 2012
4:11 pm
st simons
I doubt it. He is still in the race and even if it starts to go downhill, I’m sure he knows he will have t be the sacrificial lamb.
But it is still early. Race is not over
Peadawg
August 9th, 2012
4:11 pm
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 9th, 2012
4:08 pm
I can’t figure out the kool-aid drinkers on either side so don’t as me.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
4:11 pm
Thanks sham
Erwin's cat
August 9th, 2012
4:13 pm
East Lake – Get Real – Nope. Learn to punctuate correctly and we can play again. As for now, I win.
Moran.
_______________________
Urban Dictionary: Moran. The preferred method of spelling “moron” by morons
josef
August 9th, 2012
4:13 pm
He-ne-ha…
“…he’s got the luck of a man with a shawnee mother-in-law who’s an IRS
agent……wait…”
Whoah, Bro, thass some bad ju-ju!
Peadawg
August 9th, 2012
4:13 pm
Kam,
2-1 US in the 63rd minute
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 9th, 2012
4:14 pm
I’ve been banned before, and I’m back
No surprise there…. but welcome back and hopefully you have learned to follow the rules, although your posts suggest you still face a learning curve. You might consider supporting your posts with more than just bluster.
getalife
August 9th, 2012
4:14 pm
CNN poll 52 % President Obama
42 % willie robme
President Obama by 10 again.
All that lying for nothing except destroying credibility for that failed party.
Peadawg
August 9th, 2012
4:15 pm
70th minute, my bad. espn gamecast not working, had to refresh
Aint that a sham
August 9th, 2012
4:15 pm
Erwin 4:13
That was funny
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
4:15 pm
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance,the gospel of envy. It’s inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Ok, for $20, who said it….come on history buffs.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 9th, 2012
4:15 pm
Peadawg
Thanks!
Joe Hussein Mama
August 9th, 2012
4:16 pm
K’chak — I’m not watching the soccer final. I’m stoked for Modern Pentathlon on Saturday, but I have to get up at 3:30 AM to watch it (groan).
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
4:17 pm
Thanks good fight……………..Not much bluster here, mostly the gospel.
TM
August 9th, 2012
4:17 pm
Get your priorities in order USA-2 JPN-1 15 minutes to go.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
August 9th, 2012
4:19 pm
see why i don’t play games involving luck & chance?
great spirit has given me heap plenty of signs…..
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
4:19 pm
josef……….put together a “holiday” party for all of us. Would love to meet some of you.Mid town would probably be a good place on here for most. I’m serious.
Doggone/GA
August 9th, 2012
4:19 pm
“Golf clap for Doggone @ 3:29″
Thanks! Bottom line is: an economic system, ANY economic system is neuteral. Only people can be heartless.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
August 9th, 2012
4:21 pm
I’m not going to Hawaii to hunt pigs. I mean right here in GA.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
August 9th, 2012
4:21 pm
Spears? Really? Not even a bow and arrow?
They BOTH suck
August 9th, 2012
4:22 pm
Josef
Party Planner extraordinaire. The PPM. Party Planner Man
Rightwing Troll
August 9th, 2012
4:23 pm
“Troll, because I’m a free market guy, a harder worker, and stay ahead of all the above mentioned. In a Obama run government, the free market is and will be held back, thus less earnings and tougher times to pay for EVER increasing cost of freedom. I don’t want $ 831.45 from him and be told by him and Nancy to go stimulate the economy. He’s got that vote.”
We all understand the unfounded and fabricated fears that have been foisted on a certain hapless constituency. I pointed out that all the things you listed as being more expensive because of Obama, have and always will get more expensive, and asked you what Mittens could or would do to make it not so…
Joe Hussein Mama
August 9th, 2012
4:23 pm
F. McCool — “Spears? Really? Not even a bow and arrow?”
You *can* bowhunt pigs (see the photo in the magazine article), but the guys I met said they preferred spears. Apparently, wounded pigs are a big effing hassle to pursue and haul back. I did a lot of hiking out there and the pigs and goats live in some hella terrain that you don’t want to have to traverse if you don’t have to.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
4:25 pm
Josef reminds me of the all knowing on here. The rarely seen and little spoken but very wise and deep. The spiritual leader of the bookman blog.The pace setter. All respond to him. He must be the party man. I ‘m like O’reilly and Shawn, I’m afraid he won’t invite me.
Joseph
August 9th, 2012
4:26 pm
Its obvious to me Bookman works really hard on this blog playing the part of many people so it will look as though he has followers…..
Doggone/GA
August 9th, 2012
4:27 pm
“Its obvious to me Bookman works really hard on this blog playing the part of many people so it will look as though he has followers”
Paranoia’ll destroy ya
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 9th, 2012
4:28 pm
Pigs are hard to eradicate even with modern weapons. TLC or Discovery channel had a show this past spring about a family in Texas that specializes in this.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
4:28 pm
Hum, 48 million voters are hapless constituency. Pretty ballsey. Smart man you are.
Doggone/GA
August 9th, 2012
4:30 pm
“TLC or Discovery channel had a show this past spring about a family in Texas that specializes in this.”
And Hawaii and Florida, all three
That Black Guy
August 9th, 2012
4:31 pm
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 9th, 2012
4:08 pm
Peadawg – “I’ll stick to the masses that say neither one of these candidates are worth a damn.”
Exactly! But what I can’t figure out, is if the GOP were so hot to elect a former Governor, successful business man who happened to be a Mormon, why did they pick the one that would be least likely to win against Obama?
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because the powers that be wanted to ensure an Obama win.
How else do you explain a Dole vs Clinton
Kerry/Gore vs Bush
McCain vs Obama
Romney/Cain/Gingrich/Bachman/Santorum/Perry vs Obama (no matter who won on the R side, Obama wins in the end)
IMO
Doggone/GA
August 9th, 2012
4:32 pm
“And Hawaii and Florida, all three”
Hmmm….didn’t mean to imply it was the same family in all 3 states…just that show included hog hunting in all 3
josef
August 9th, 2012
4:33 pm
He-ne-ha
This is it….
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/09/us/more-casinos-and-internet-gambling-threaten-shakopee-tribe.html?nl=todaysheadlines&e
Real Scootter
August 9th, 2012
4:33 pm
I’m not going to Hawaii to hunt pigs. I mean right here in GA.
Go to Fort Stewart Finn!
Peadawg
August 9th, 2012
4:34 pm
USA women’s soccer got the gold.
They BOTH suck
August 9th, 2012
4:35 pm
Real Scooter
There on the backside of Fort Benning as well. Of course they are not that big, but a buddy of mine usually kills 2 or 3 a year while he is out deer hunting.
getalife
August 9th, 2012
4:36 pm
Pea,
USA won.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 9th, 2012
4:37 pm
K’Chak — “Pigs are hard to eradicate even with modern weapons. TLC or Discovery channel had a show this past spring about a family in Texas that specializes in this.”
The pigs were tough enough to find and hunt, but the wild goats would be *incredibly* difficult to get. I only ever saw them a couple of times, leaping and capering about on scree-covered slopes that I’d need a rope and rock-climbing gear to even approach.
I don’t know much about the feral cattle, but I thought the guys were pulling my mainland leg. I did a little looking, and sure enough, there are wild cattle in the upcountry on Maui and the Big Island. Apparently, some were given to King Kamehameha as a gift in the late 1700s. and some of them subsequently escaped.
Wonder what caliber you’d use to take down an upset wild bull?
They BOTH suck
August 9th, 2012
4:37 pm
They are
damn, I can’t type
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 9th, 2012
4:39 pm
Doggone/GA
I only saw one episode, and it featured the family in Texas. It was almost as if the producers went out of their way to find the most stereotypical rural family.
The patriarch was barely intelligible and the daughter was in a pair of Daisy Dukes short shorts. Hardly garb for hunting.
Get Real
August 9th, 2012
4:40 pm
East Lake Ira
You did not win anything…keep up with your reality delusion, so sad that you in fact do represent the majority of the American electorate…grossly uninformed and in a perpetual dream state…
catlady
August 9th, 2012
4:41 pm
Now, if Kyle would admit that Romney has been over the line…
That Black Guy
August 9th, 2012
4:41 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
August 9th, 2012
4:37 pm
but I thought the guys were pulling my mainland leg. – Is that like foreplay
Wonder what caliber you’d use to take down an upset wild bull? – Dodge (get it? Dodge Caliber)
Maybe I should stick to tapdance.
They BOTH suck
August 9th, 2012
4:41 pm
Get Real
So if the “majority of the electorate” were informed, would they vote and believe as you do?
Real Scootter
August 9th, 2012
4:42 pm
They BOTH suck
August 9th, 2012
4:35 pm
Yeah,I heard Benning was good but Stewart is open for hog year round.
Doggone/GA
August 9th, 2012
4:42 pm
“I only saw one episode, and it featured the family in Texas. It was almost as if the producers went out of their way to find the most stereotypical rural family.”
You should have watched more. One thing I found VERY interesting – being the dog person I am – was that they used rescued Great Danes as catch dogs. That was the Great Dane’s original job, boar hunting and their correct name translates to “German Boar Dog”
After watching them, compared to watching the pit bull types used in Florida (being catch dogs is one of their original jobs also) it was clear why the German’s wanted a taller dog. Those Danes would latch on to an ear and because of their height and leg length they could keep out of the say of those swinging tusks.
They BOTH suck
August 9th, 2012
4:45 pm
Real
My buddy doesn’t even go hog hunting per say. It is usually when the deer hunting is slow and one happens to get close enough to kill it with a bow.
He doesn’t rifle hunt anymore. Says outside of getting the meat, it isn’t much of a sport to him.
But he also travels the country for bow competitions, so he is pretty good at using a bow.
Didn’t know about all year around at Stewart. There must be a lot of them.
That Black Guy
August 9th, 2012
4:45 pm
They BOTH suck
August 9th, 2012
4:41 pm
Get Real
So if the “majority of the electorate” were informed, would they vote and believe as you do?
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TBS, you didn’t ask me, but I think it would result in better choices (or at least I HOPE it would).
Tundra Dude
August 9th, 2012
4:46 pm
K’Chak — “Pigs are hard to eradicate even with modern weapons
and the ones I picked up in bars at closing time were really hard to get rid of…… didn’t know about bear spray…mighta worked…
Real Scootter
August 9th, 2012
4:46 pm
Wonder what caliber you’d use to take down an upset wild bull?
.460 Joe,if you are tough enough to shoot one.I know I ain’t.Whew!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 9th, 2012
4:47 pm
Wonder what caliber you’d use to take down an upset wild bull?
Something in the .50 cal. range preferably a rifle and from a distance.
They BOTH suck
August 9th, 2012
4:50 pm
TBG
I think it would be a mixed bad. We still need better candidates, regardless of how many people vote and how informed they are.
The reason I asked “get real” is because it seemed apparent he meant from his perspective when it came to the “informed”. But I could have been wrong