One pro-Obama ad reveals a lot about 2012 campaign
One controversial ad by an Obama SuperPAC encapsulates so much that makes the 2012 presidential campaign distinctive:
– In its specifics, the ad is deceptive and brutally unfair. It suggests that by closing a Missouri steel plant and stripping its workers of health insurance, Mitt Romney and Bain Capital were in part responsible for the subsequent death of a worker’s wife by cancer. It’s the kind of gut-wrenching charge that — if made at all — at least ought to be strongly backed by facts. Instead, the implication that Romney is to blame is barely plausible at best, given the timelines involved. Those who condemn the ad as irresponsible are correct in that assessment.
– However, in a Citizens United world, in which quasi-independent groups raise and spend vast amounts of campaign cash, this type of ad will become more and more familiar. Candidates can claim to have no knowledge of or control over such advertisements, and thus no responsibility for it. The rich donors who paid for the ad are often anonymous, meaning they too cannot be held responsible. And if no one is responsible, irresponsibility results. This is not rocket science, even if the geniuses on the Supreme Court are unable to grasp it.
– Accuracy aside, the underlying theme of the ad is powerful and emotionally resonant. Outside predators such as Mitt Romney and Bain Capital can perform a useful function in a capitalist economy. They come into a company and make ruthless, heartless decisions without regard to the human cost, decisions that those with a longer history or commitment to the company perhaps cannot bring themselves to make. Over the long haul, in a macro-economic sense, that can be useful. But one of the primary questions of the 2012 race is whether the American people will be comfortable putting a person with that mentality and background in the Oval Office.
– Appearing on Fox News Wednesday, Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul denounced the ad in question as deceptive and unfair. However, she also noted that if the steelworkers in question had been working in Massachusetts instead of Missouri, their health coverage would have been protected by the health-insurance program created by Romney, a program that later served as the direct model for ObamaCare:
“To that point, you know, if people had been in Massachusetts under Governor Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,” Saul said. “There are a lot of people losing their jobs and their health care in President Obama’s economy.”
While Saul’s observation was valid, it caused a huge outrage among conservatives, with many calling for Saul’s firing for the outrageous act of actually telling the truth. Es ist verboten on the right to acknowledge even the existence of RomneyCare during this campaign, let alone that it actually might serve a useful function.
That brings us back once again to the central question of the 2012 campaign: If we are to live in an Bain-type economy in which brutish efficiency is the primary goal and the human impact is not to be considered in decision-making, what steps if any should government take to protect individual Americans from the worst vagaries of that process?
In an era of increasingly no-holds-barred capitalism, do we also slash unemployment insurance, job training, Medicaid benefits, Social Security and ObamaCare, so that individuals are even more fully exposed to the cruel caprices of free enterprise? Or do such programs become even more important in an era in which jobs, companies and indeed entire industries can disappear quickly?
– Jay Bookman
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getalife
August 9th, 2012
11:44 am
The fact checkers proved the gop does nothing but lie.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
August 9th, 2012
11:44 am
robert@11:34
That was a pretty interesting read. Thanks for sharing that. Wish we had more posts like that instead of the “waiting for someone to say……but, but, but Obama”.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 9th, 2012
11:44 am
weetamoe — “The ad exemplifies the viciousness and mendacity of the Obama campaign and supports the view that no decent person can win against someone who does not even know the meaning of decency.”
So you’re saying Romney still has a chance, then?
getalife
August 9th, 2012
11:46 am
romneycare cons.
Say it.
Yes, it has come to ignoring romneycare and that is pathetic cons.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
August 9th, 2012
11:47 am
“I worked at a Motorola plant that closed down. It was pretty simple to get my COBRA insurance and actually the insurance company gave me continuance once the COBRA period was over”
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The other 99% cannot afford COBRA benefits for the entire 18 month period let alone continuing afterwards. The family monthly premium is greater than the max monthly unemployment benefit. Someone making less than 50K trying to support a family could not even afford 1 month of COBRA.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
August 9th, 2012
11:47 am
My company just started preparing for Obama care. The 30 something workers that they hired under a temp to perm contract, just informed them they want to make them permanent part timers so they wouldn’t have to pay health insurance. I guess the working in the USA will help cover their insurance…
Adam
August 9th, 2012
11:47 am
JHM: Romney’s chances are roughly 28%:
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/
Joseph
August 9th, 2012
11:48 am
I agree Jay it sure does reveal something. It reveals that this is the most desperate campaign in the history of Presidential politics. Its sad really that a sitting President could stoop this low….
getalife
August 9th, 2012
11:49 am
Another lying pac ad:
Romney Ad: Obama Has Declared ‘War On Religion’
BS. Nothing but more lies to see if something sticks.
Mama Says
August 9th, 2012
11:49 am
Adam,
this entire blog is talking about Obama and/or his supporters running an ad that is a lie. You may wish to let your guy know he dosent do that.
and Jay is the one who started out saying he/ they were lying, not me
Thulsa Doom
August 9th, 2012
11:49 am
“Investers made tons of money. Those gains ended up creating capital that could then be used to make other investments which helped the economy grow further in the aggregate. Additional new jobs were then created in the aggregate in these other areas. Again, the economy and job creation was firing on all cylinders during the time Romney was running Bain. It’s beyond silly to believe that Bain during the time Romney ran it caused more jobs in the aggregate to be lost than created or saved.”
Cons understand that. Its pretty self evident that if enormous amounts of wealth and economic activity were created than obviously Romney and Bain created far more jobs than they lost. You have to be a complete moron to not understand that. But Mark in midtown do you realize you are trying to talk common sense to libs???
getalife
August 9th, 2012
11:50 am
Our President is crushing the gop lies.
This one is over.
You can stop lying cons but doubt you can.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 9th, 2012
11:51 am
Shorter Conservative Argument: Waaah! THEIR lies are getting more traction than OUR lies!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 9th, 2012
11:52 am
Money = free speech,
That was the framework of the rules that the Robert’s court set forth.
Many cons rejoiced in this ruling.
The campaigns are now operating withing this framework and now some of those same cons are crying foul.
As I recall, you were adequately warned about this, so please don’t act all shock and awey.
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
August 9th, 2012
11:53 am
Obama hates America if he thinks he can sway people with lies… Oh wait, sadly there are lots of stupid people in America. This blog is proof. They’ll believe anything a liberal says.
getalife
August 9th, 2012
11:53 am
Yes, his welfare lie got a pants on fire and so will the rest of his ads.
Just slinging poo and hopes something will stick is an act of a desperate politician.
His numbers are tanking except for ras. ras will correct that lie right before the election.
That Black Guy
August 9th, 2012
11:54 am
Scuba Steve
August 9th, 2012
10:57 am
Compromise
Your point is a fair one, but I think the signage is more telling in a national election — specifically a presidential election. People are supposed to be ‘excited’ about their candidate. At least to some degree. And I mean, good heavens…is ANYONE inspired by this guy at all?
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Scuba, do you live in GA?
You DO realize that GA is a lock for Romney (sad to say).
Why would the Romney campaign spend large amounts of money on a state that they KNOW they will win.
Does that make sense to you?
Tundra Dude
August 9th, 2012
11:54 am
How about Staples, they survived and prospered under Bain and are now the kingpin of office supply stores. Funny we never hear about that!
Because it’s nothing to boast about. Staples displaced almost as many jobs as were “created”.
Mitt Romney, ‘welfare queen’
Romney’s wealth is based on the private equity business model, founded on tax-payer subsidies.
http://aje.me/yqSwgY
http://reut.rs/OjMr6R
Why Romney can’t defend capitalism
Rick Perry describes what Bain does as “vulture capitalism,” picking the flesh off the bones of corporate corpses, while New Gingrich’s dark charge was that Bain was no more than “rich people figuring out clever legal ways to loot a company.”
DebbieDoRight - Dixie Chicks, Eleanor Roosevelt, Hillary Clinton, and Rosetta Scott King -- Unafraid To Say It; Unafraid To Do The Right Thing...
August 9th, 2012
11:54 am
Was on a conference call and had to actually “listen” to what they had to say…….anyway, just read Jay’s article.
He speaks of SuperPac’s for Obama being “unfair to Mitt”; however the SuperPac’s for Mitt are trying to start their own little race war in order to get their candidate hired.
So, what’s worse? Yeah, I know it’s more of “He did it too!!”; but there has to be a sense of proportion to this thing. You can say that tadpole is “big” and it’s a problem. Or you can look at that 20 ft. gator and see what a “big” problem really is.
Proportion is the key.
Steve-USA "None of the Above"
August 9th, 2012
11:55 am
Your lie’s are horrible, our lie’s are tough politics.
What a sad world we live in.
Aint that a shame
August 9th, 2012
11:57 am
“Oh wait, sadly there are lots of stupid people in America. This blog is proof.”
Yes, every time you post it is very evident. But you could save yourself time and just look in the mirror
Just saying
Been to Kyle’s lately?
getalife
August 9th, 2012
11:57 am
cnn is horrible to watch these days.
They are floundering with no direction and making corrections everyday.
Ted is probably laughing because he said yellow journalism will lose viewers.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 9th, 2012
11:58 am
Lost in this hubub, bub, emphasis mine…
Priorities’ ad, released Tuesday but yet to actually air in a paid commercial time slot, ties Mitt Romney to the death of a former GST Steel worker’s wife
It’s something I’ve been saying for awhile now about the Citizens United decision and I’ll say it again–what’s most insidious about shadowy superPACs wielding this kind of money and power, is not so much what they spend their money on, but what they can credibly THREATEN to spend their money on.
I guarantee that this is being played out in scores of podunk districts, where some slick representative of a Koch- or suchlike-funded outfit is telling some underpaid representative that it’d really be in his interest to play ball on this bill. Or else.
getalife
August 9th, 2012
11:58 am
Steve,
It gets worse, citizen united is the worst decision ever.
That Black Guy
August 9th, 2012
11:59 am
curious
August 9th, 2012
11:04 am
Maybe we don’t need a businessman in the White House. Our Government and Country should not be just about making a profit.
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Could the appeal that Romney holds for some people be because as a businessman, he had to know how to solve problems? Maybe, just maybe, the “make a profit” aspect of a businessperson is because they (some) have experience at identifying, isolating, and correcting the problem.
TaxPayer
August 9th, 2012
12:00 pm
“Creative destruction does enhance productivity and for an economy to thrive as our does, there are a lot of people who will suffer as a result of that.” – Mitt Romney, Emory University, April 2010.
Mitt Romney’s corporate raider tactics included buying up companies. selling off valuable assets, loading them down with debt, selling shares to gullible investors and then dumping his own shares of stock while leaving the new investors holding the bag while the shell of the company that once existed was left to wither in bankruptcy with the PBGC picking up any pension obligations that may have survived the process.
Joseph
August 9th, 2012
12:00 pm
Liberals remind of the parent that’s watching their child perform on stage at the school play and doing horrible. When they come off stage they still tell them that they did great. That’s exactly what they are doing with Oblama right now.. Its laughable that they still have confidence that he’s gonna win….
Joe Hussein Mama
August 9th, 2012
12:01 pm
TBG — “Could the appeal that Romney holds for some people be because as a businessman, he had to know how to solve problems? Maybe, just maybe, the “make a profit” aspect of a businessperson is because they (some) have experience at identifying, isolating, and correcting the problem.”
And then getting Federal money to throw at the problem despite their professed preference for ‘private-sector solutions.’
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/exclusive-in-02-romney-touted-d-c-connections-federal-funds/
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 9th, 2012
12:01 pm
citizen united is the worst decision ever
Dred Scott is holding for you on Line One.
Quagmire
August 9th, 2012
12:02 pm
The Washington Post reported that companies posted the most job advertisments in 4 years, signs that the economy is improving. As far as negative commercials, remember what the gop did to McCain in South Carolina in 2000. Using race in a Southern Way……………………and we still are talking about a Birth Certificate.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/us-employers-post-the-most-jobs-in-4-years/2012/08/07/246eba2e-e09d-11e1-8d48-2b1243f34c85_story.html
getalife
August 9th, 2012
12:03 pm
“Dred Scott is holding for you on Line One.”
Take a message.
DebbieDoRight - Dixie Chicks, Eleanor Roosevelt, Hillary Clinton, and Rosetta Scott King -- Unafraid To Say It; Unafraid To Do The Right Thing...
August 9th, 2012
12:04 pm
Jay: In an era of increasingly no-holds-barred capitalism, do we also slash unemployment insurance, job training, Medicaid benefits, Social Security and ObamaCare, so that individuals are even more fully exposed to the cruel caprices of free enterprise?
If you are of the belief that the stockholder is GOD then the answer is “Yes”. Companies are driven by profit — if we run the country like a business, as some republicans want, then the US’s main goal would be to make a profit.
First thing we’d need to do is liquidate holdings into cash to pay down the national debt.
We’d go after things like our National Parks first, sell them to the highest bidder; let’s say China. There are a lot of geological treasures in our National parks so China would now own the land that may have oil running through it.
In looking at China’s business acumen and the way they’ve previously destroyed their own country’s atmosphere, water and sickened their own countryment – expect pollution and sickness to go up.
Next we’d probably sell some all of oil on our coastlines to big oil companies. This would bring in immediate cash.
Next, being a business, we’d take all of our infrastructure off shore because workers offshore will work much cheaper than american workers — they’ll work for pennies a day and be happy with it.
We’d offshore our Defense Department, NASA, USMail, basically anything that the government owns / regulates to the highest bidder. We’d probably get a super power like Russia or even Saudia Arabia, who has losts of ready cash, to go for it.
Now U.S.A. INc.; is out of debt and solvent. Just like a good business should be.
getalife
August 9th, 2012
12:05 pm
joey,
willie robme had a horrible summer.
Check the pols son.
Joseph
August 9th, 2012
12:05 pm
Its really getting bad when liberals call this ad a lie….
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/09/video-mika-brzezinski-takes-obama-campaign-to-task-for-lying-about-cancer-ad/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
godless heathen
August 9th, 2012
12:05 pm
Life sucks sometimes. If the Dems had been in charge we would never have survived to emerge from the African grasslands.
Steve Atl
August 9th, 2012
12:06 pm
Looking forward to 4 more years of Obama:
- Unemployment over 8%
- Depressed Housing Prices
- High Gas Prices
- Higher Taxes
- Nasty politics and more lies…
Good times…
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 9th, 2012
12:06 pm
Its laughable that they still have confidence that he’s gonna win….
Joseph, seriously?
We’re supposed to assume that a handicapper like Nate Silver, who has been as solid as they come, who foretold trouble for Dems in 2010, etc.–we’re supposed to think that’s just nonsense, that the real Mitt Romney’s going to emerge in the next month and suddenly turn Ohio and Florida (and, why not, Pennsylvania too, right?) blue, despite all the polling to date, because…?
well?
Adam
August 9th, 2012
12:07 pm
It reveals that this is the most desperate campaign in the history of Presidential politics.
Agreed. Romney’s campaign is the most desperate campaign in the history of Presidential politics. Thank you for admitting it
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 9th, 2012
12:07 pm
It’s really getting desperate when cons post links to hotair.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 9th, 2012
12:08 pm
SfD — “Joseph, seriously?”
Please do not feed the energy creature.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
August 9th, 2012
12:08 pm
Bumper Sticker:
“I HOPE WE CHANGE”
Adam
August 9th, 2012
12:08 pm
TBG: Could the appeal that Romney holds for some people be because as a businessman, he had to know how to solve problems?
If he was successful before, he’s sure not now. The people he’s HIRED to work for him say the damndest things…..
Paul
August 9th, 2012
12:09 pm
A bit closer to the topic, I hope.
Does anyone here think that it’s a bad thing if people lose jobs because of corporate restructuring, industries moving overseas, whatever the reason – that it’s a bad thing that laid-off workers still have health care coverage?
Or do people who think that’s a bad idea think it better that the laid-off workers use emergency room services so people with jobs can pay for their care?
Or do they think it’s okay to gamble that no life-threatening diseases would occur that would result in death?
This is one of the elements it gets down to, isn’t it?
(Diversions need not reply)
Aint that a shame
August 9th, 2012
12:09 pm
Joseph
Even in Adelon’s casinos, his bookies have Romney loosing.
Go to intrade and see the odds. You can place that same bet in Adelson’s casinos today if you like
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 9th, 2012
12:09 pm
Take a message.
I did. He says “don’t make me come out of my grave and stomp your old white ass for implying that a cheezy pro-corporate-advertising decision compares to the one that basically wound up getting 600,000 Americans killed.”
but I might’ve got a few words wrong. He was hollerin’ something fierce before he hung up.
TaxPayer
August 9th, 2012
12:10 pm
It’s really getting desperate when cons post links to hotair.
There’s more factual information there than in their own posts.
getalife
August 9th, 2012
12:10 pm
Our President is winning:
http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Owned willie robme.
Welcome to the Occupation
August 9th, 2012
12:10 pm
Wow, this blog’s a Bircher loon cesspit. Kind of feel sorry for Jay that he’s contractually obligated to play hall monitor
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 9th, 2012
12:12 pm
Please do not feed the energy creature.
I probably shouldn’t ever, but I am fascinated how often the right wingers just go “la la la can’t hear you” when I bring up 538. They know they can’t get away by going “librul NY Times!” because Nate didn’t make his bones on the Times’ payroll, he did it as an independent web entrepreneur.
Seriously, I have not once, this whole year, hear anyone of a conservative bent tell me why I shouldn’t pay any heed to Nate’s work, beyond some superficial “all polling is suspect” blather.
Adam
August 9th, 2012
12:12 pm
Steve Atl: Looking forward to 4 more years of Obama:
- 1 million more private sector jobs since February 2009 (job loss over the same time period for Bush’s first term)
- More New Housing being purchased
- An economy that is recovering enough for oil demand to be back
- Tax Cuts for everyone (stimulus, Bush Tax Cut extension, payroll tax cut)
- Positive ads from the Obama campaign which highlight his record
- A candidate not being able to “buy” the election by outspending the other guy
Good times…
Adam
August 9th, 2012
12:13 pm
Actually Steve Atl, I lied. I am actually looking forward to the Bush Tax Cuts expiring for everyone.
Adam
August 9th, 2012
12:14 pm
By the way, I AM willing to bet $100 that Obama will win against anyone willing to bet Romney will win. That’s PER PERSON.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 9th, 2012
12:14 pm
This is one of the elements it gets down to, isn’t it?
I think you missed one, Paul.
It seems that we should all look in the mirror and blame ourselves for the crappy choices we’ve made.
getalife
August 9th, 2012
12:17 pm
Stands,
I stand corrected.
Dred wins.
TaxPayer
August 9th, 2012
12:17 pm
By the way, I AM willing to bet $100 that Obama will win against anyone willing to bet Romney will win. That’s PER PERSON.
I’ll take both sides of that bet and we can just caqll it even.
Paul
August 9th, 2012
12:17 pm
Kamchak
Nothing like repentance and making amends, is there?
That Black Guy
August 9th, 2012
12:18 pm
Paul
August 9th, 2012
11:08 am
Heath
” THE GUY & HIS FAMILY HAVE NO HEALTH CARE INSURANCE!!! ”
The man’s wife had health insurance through her job.
The man refused to purchase health insurance at his new job.
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That’s what makes this ad so disgusting. There were many, many ways to make this point without FALSELY using the DEATH of a fellow American to score political points.
And, lets be adults here.
The purpose of this ad was NOT to further a CIVIL discussion about the plight of Americans who face losing their HC insurance when they lose their jobs. There are MILLIONS of legimate examples of that.
The purpose of this ad was to throw blood on Romney (using the death he had NOTHING to do with) to enrage voters against him.
Yes, I also think the Romney BS welfare ad sucks as well.
They BOTH will continue doing this until the ADULTS stand up and say “ENOUGH”.
They BOTH suck
August 9th, 2012
12:18 pm
Kam @ 12:14
Good point. It isn’t just bad government (people we elect) and crappy business practices that have us where we are at.
It is also a combination of the choices we as Americans have made over the last 30 to 40 years.
TaxPayer
August 9th, 2012
12:18 pm
oops. That’s “call”
Here we go!
August 9th, 2012
12:18 pm
Mighty Righty One cannot be surprised that the most scurrilous, dishonest, slimey, political ad ever run by a sleazy, corrupt, political campaign would find favor by Obama and Jay. Shame on you.
- See Max Cleland. This crap started in Ga., and I will lay odds you like that didn’t you?
Jefferson
August 9th, 2012
12:18 pm
The SC ruled you can lie about certain things. After all the lies from the GOP supporters against Kerry, karma has its ways.
I’d say it works.
They BOTH suck
August 9th, 2012
12:20 pm
TBG
By far the worst to date by either side. Romney and the right leaning Super Pacs have told some whoppers for sure, but this one was despicable.
Hopefully that is as low as we go, but I am not betting on it for either side.
Going to get nasty
Adam
August 9th, 2012
12:22 pm
The only way I will support this ad is if it gets Republicans to push legislation that says you cannot lie in ads or in any broadcast that discusses current events.
Joseph
August 9th, 2012
12:22 pm
Aint that a shame, Joe Hussein Mama, stands for decibels (SfBA)
I’m really going to feel sorry for you people on the morning of November 7th. Think about it. Obama is a sitting President that can’t even come close to garnering 50%. You are some of the same people who just didn’t believe that Republicans were going to have the biggest victory in decades in 2010. I guess to libs reality simply don’t hit them until it actually happens… LOL…
Joe Hussein Mama
August 9th, 2012
12:24 pm
Joseph — “I’m really going to feel sorry for you people on the morning of November 7th. Think about it. Obama is a sitting President that can’t even come close to garnering 50%.
http://www.electoral-vote.com
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 9th, 2012
12:24 pm
They BOTH suck
My comment should’ve been followed by a sarc/ tag as I was speaking specifically about health care. As if some people choose to have debilitating diseases.
And I’m aware that lifestyle choices such as smoking can and does lead to lung cancer, but there are many congenital diseases that come from making no choice at all.
They BOTH suck
August 9th, 2012
12:25 pm
Joseph
Do you have a post of mine where I said Democrats would not be beat in 2010 or you just doing your usual and pulling something bull$hit out of your behind?
Adelson who is plowing in millions to defeat Obama, is hedging his bets in his own casinos that Obama is going to win.
How righteous is that?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 9th, 2012
12:25 pm
You are some of the same people who just didn’t believe that Republicans were going to have the biggest victory in decades in 2010.
Where ARE you getting this crap? I even cited Nate’s call of the mid-terms to make my case!
Thulsa Doom
August 9th, 2012
12:25 pm
This is kinda fun watching some of the libs get their panties in a wad because Jay had to acknowledge this despicable LIE of Obama about the steelworker’s wife and cancer. No doubt. Obama and his campaign have descended into new frontiers of sliminess. Stay classy Obama. Stay classy.
They BOTH suck
August 9th, 2012
12:26 pm
Kam
Got you. I didn’t read far enough back and thought you were speaking in general.
My bad.
Mr. Obvious
August 9th, 2012
12:27 pm
I’m a liberal and believe everything I read….
August 9th, 2012
10:54 am
Paul……….I’ve laid off 80 people ( from 204) since he was sworn in. They all HAD health ins. Shall I post their names for you.
Perhaps if you spent less time blogging and more time making your company successful, this would not be the case.
They BOTH suck
August 9th, 2012
12:28 pm
Joseph
Do you have a post from the one’s you mentioned?
We know the answer Joseph. You are the best at putting words in people’s mouths then you dance around like you proved something.
Thulsa Doom
August 9th, 2012
12:28 pm
“By the way, I AM willing to bet $100 that Obama will win against anyone willing to bet Romney will win. That’s PER PERSON.”
A fool and his money are soon parted.
Doggone/GA
August 9th, 2012
12:29 pm
“And I’m aware that lifestyle choices such as smoking can and does lead to lung cancer, but there are many congenital diseases that come from making no choice at all”
They should have chosen better parents. /snarc
DawgDad
August 9th, 2012
12:29 pm
Calling Romney heartless, are you Jay? Well, from my perspective YOU are heartless, in terms of the programs you advocate stripping moral fiber from the fabric of our nation and citizens.
It’s harsh on either count to call someone “heartless”. Artificially sustaining institutions and employment which is economically unsustainable on its own merits has an impact on the broad population providing the economic sustenance. Providing social welfare benefits can have a detrimental impact on social and moral fabric (and liberty), heck, even mainstream Democrats and the Clintons have acknowledged that. Corporate “raiders” (if you prefer) and social welfare programs have a place in our life. Taken to an extreme each is dangerous.
The facts underlying the ad do not indicate ANYONE was “heartless”. Implying they were (and you do) is “heartless” at face value.
gb
August 9th, 2012
12:30 pm
Once upon a time I cared about fairness. After the “swiftboat” atrocity I con only say “cry me a river, Republicans.”
Jefferson
August 9th, 2012
12:31 pm
Who remembers the state of the nations in 2000, then in 2008. Short memories for the GOP, as they trashed the country and amazingly think somehow it would be different next time. Wake up, you look foolish.
kitty
August 9th, 2012
12:32 pm
Interesting I was thinking this very question this morning about the heart and soul of the USA. Many of those on the right claim the USA is a Christian country. Well, then, if this is a Christian country the heartlessness of business goes against that completely. Even the Bible which many Christians…many of the same who will vote for Romney….claim is what we should be ruled by says in 2 Cor 8:13 to 8:15 says
Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality.14 At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. Then there will be equality,
15 as it is written: “He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little.”
It saddens that many who think we are a Christian country founded on Christian principles according to the unerrant Word of God don’t have a freakin’ clue what the Book really says.
kitty
August 9th, 2012
12:33 pm
and having said what I just said…I think the SuperPACs are the worst of politics and SCOTUS did our process no favors and made it uglier. This is on their heads. Both sides are wrong.
That Black Guy
August 9th, 2012
12:33 pm
Jeffrey Davis
August 9th, 2012
11:21 am
If people understood how Romney profited on the misery of others there’d be crowds with torches and pitchforks outside his house. – Wouldn’t that be against the law?
He gutted companies, paid himself off with borrowed money to the point that the companies he bought were forced to declare bankruptcy and then stuck US with the company’s pension obligations. – Do you have a list of companies he (Romney) did this to from an UNBIASED source?
And he did this more than once. – Do you have a list of companies he (Romney) did this to from an UNBIASED source?
A genuinely horrifying man. – Were there ANY companies that Bain purchased the were on the verge of going out of business that were saved and are still operating today. Do the employees and their families that would have lost their jobs and benefits had Bain NOT stepped in and turn the business around not count?
TaxPayer
August 9th, 2012
12:34 pm
When is Mitt going to share his secrets on how he will create 250,000 jobs per month for 48 straight months. Is there no limit to the tall tales Mitt is willing to dump on his conned constituency.
Madmax
August 9th, 2012
12:34 pm
So Obama is in the sewers throwing slime with his ads and somehow Jay uses the incident to condemn everybody but the Democrats and Obama?
DawgDad
August 9th, 2012
12:35 pm
“After the “swiftboat” atrocity ”
What was “atrocious” about that?
Jefferson
August 9th, 2012
12:36 pm
Romney owns the truck that ran them over, and didn’t pay for the caskets…then he sold the truck and went looking for another group to run over. Bain’s mission statement.
Jefferson
August 9th, 2012
12:38 pm
The ads are like chicken, you don’t have to buy the chicken, you don’t have to watch the ads.
Mighty Righty
August 9th, 2012
12:38 pm
Adam
August 9th, 2012
10:50 am
How about this one on his higher education RECORD
LOL! Obama won’t even run on his own higher educational RECORD! Intended to be factual.
Goldie
August 9th, 2012
12:38 pm
“what steps if any should government take to protect individual Americans from the worst vagaries of that process?”
Jay, if Mitt manages to get himself elected in November, you can pretty much bet that the gov’t will take NO steps to protect individual Americans — Mitt has made it clear that the “business experience” that he brings to the table is all about making profit$ for himself and his corporate buddies and nothing more than that… he’s not even campaigning based on the good policies he supported for the people of Massachusetts just 10 years ago. Why should anyone believe that he will do anything to “promote the general welfare” of the American people — the general welfare he and the Repubs believe in is for corporations only!
Obama/Biden 2012 — it’s the only way the American people will be protected from corporate greed!
Adam
August 9th, 2012
12:39 pm
Thulsa: A fool and his money are soon parted.
And yet, you won’t take the bet
TaxPayer
August 9th, 2012
12:40 pm
“Daddy, Obama punches back!” – Ex-Scissorhand Mitt
Adam
August 9th, 2012
12:41 pm
Mighty Righty: LOL! Obama won’t even run on his own higher educational RECORD! Intended to be factual.
Magna cum laude from Harvard and Editor of the Harvard Law Review. I’d say he can run on that too, if he wanted to.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
12:41 pm
Romney should reply. I guess we should of propped this guy up for life and spoon fed him. He was a Democrat you know. Geez. Reminds me of some sitting on the porch in New Orleans watching the water rise.
Goldie
August 9th, 2012
12:41 pm
“So Obama is in the sewers throwing slime with his ads”
waaaaaaaa! Karma baby, Karma!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
August 9th, 2012
12:41 pm
LOL! Obama won’t even run on his own higher educational RECORD!
LOL! Birthers.
Jefferson
August 9th, 2012
12:41 pm
Never bet on a team you have emotional ties to. Words of wisdom.
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
August 9th, 2012
12:42 pm
I love it when liars accuse others of lying. The ad claims Romney causes cancer. That is a lie, but I think you are to stupid to know it.
Y’all are like a dog in a litter box…
TGT
August 9th, 2012
12:42 pm
Accuracy aside…
The theme for the Obama campaign, and the only real “hope” he has.
Adam
August 9th, 2012
12:42 pm
Reminds me of some sitting on the porch in New Orleans watching the water rise.
Yeah because people who didn’t have transportation out of the city were just SOOOOO stupid…..
F. Sinkwich
August 9th, 2012
12:43 pm
“Ithink your take is accurate, Peadawg, at least to a degree. In its specifics, the ad is deceptive and unfair. In the larger issues it attempts to address, it raises important issues. Both can be true.”
Jay is channeling his inner Rather:
Fake but accurate, anyone?
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 9th, 2012
12:43 pm
Geez, where do Dems go now after accusing the guy of murder….Lot of time left to top that….Didn’t shoot their wad to early with that low blow.
Adam
August 9th, 2012
12:43 pm
TGT: The theme for the Obama campaign, and the only real “hope” he has.
I have shown otherwise in the ads Obama has run on TV highlighting his record and accomplishments.