Who’s the American here, and who’s unAmerican?
A Missouri firefighter douses the last embers of a fire that destroyed a mosque in Joplin, Missouri, the target of repeated arson attacks.
On July 4, the nation’s birthday, some proud American patriot tried to set a mosque afire in Joplin, Mo. On Monday, a second fire succeeded in destroying the Joplin mosque altogether, burning it to the ground. Arson is strongly suspected.
Meanwhile, a new Islamic center in Murfreesboro, Tenn. — long delayed by arson, a bomb threat and legal challenges claiming that Islam is not a religion and that the mosque would become a headquarters for Muslims trying to impose Sharia law — is scheduled to finally open its doors for services Friday. Security will no doubt be tight.
The necessary occupancy permit was issued only after the intervention of the U.S. Justice Department. Last month, U.S. District Court Judge Todd Campbell ruled that the mosque was being subjected to unconstitutional standards that are never applied to other buildings and churches, and ordered local officials to allow its opening.
The mosque also became a central issue in a local congressional race, even though the Islamic center is outside district boundaries. U.S. Rep. Diane Black, the GOP incumbent, complained that “Christians’ rights to freedom of religion (is) violated frequently and the Obama Justice Department doesn’t coming rushing to our aid, but they will meddle in a local zoning matter to promote Islam.”
Lou Ann Zelenik, Black’s opponent, was an even more bitter foe of the mosque, pledging that if elected she would “work to stop the Islamization of our society, and do everything possible to prevent Sharia law from circumventing our laws and our Constitution.” (Black eventually won the primary contest.)
Members of nearby Grace Baptist Church are also making clear their opposition, erecting 13 large white crosses along the route to the mosque. “It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity,” the man who erected the crosses said. “We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”
However, I was struck by the response of a mosque leader to the crosses and other expressions of opposition:
“We love our neighbors, all of them, including the church next door. As Muslims, we believe in Jesus as well. Jesus said ‘love thy neighbors’. They are our neighbors, and we must love them.
“Also, our prophet Muhammad, before he died, told Muslims they need to love their neighbors and take care of them, and not only their immediate neighbor but extended to the seventh neighbor. That means everybody should love everybody, and that peace and love would be cast on the whole community.”
Clearly, we must prevent such dangerous sentiments from spreading and taking over the country.
UPDATE: I should note that several Joplin-area churches have volunteered to host an an interfaith “iftar,” or Ramadan fast-breaking meal, for the congregation of the mosque destroyed Monday.
– Jay Bookman
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DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists..
August 8th, 2012
3:13 pm
The American, the real American, is the person who can accept others’ differences with the knowledge that their differences make our country stronger, not weaker.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists..
August 8th, 2012
3:17 pm
OMG! I’m first!! yeah!! Go Debbie, Go Debbie, Go Debbie It’s ya birthday!
First I want to thank Jay for taking the time to start anothe post. Then I want to thank Jam for being “tardy to the party”. Secondly I want to thank all the “Little people”, (you know who you are), who, without your small minds and your small ideas, made this blog possible.
Lastly I want to thank my mother, who, knowing she was going to have a baby girl after about 1/2 dozen boys said, “THANK GOD!!”.
OH and I want to thank the Academy.
Thank you.
Bernie
August 8th, 2012
3:22 pm
This is Georgia in the good ole days…..You could smell the ashes of the crosses burning in the front yards. The rotting of human flesh hanging from the trees!
The fear in the streets almost almost unbearable to comprehend. All waiting for sun to go down so that Hooded men can ride again.
This is the Georgia many of our senior African American Men and women remember
as if, it were yesterday! why is that a segment of our population are yearning for those nightmarish days and night to return?
The strange and interesting part those same citizens say now, those acts were not given its proper name until September 11,2001. TERRORISM!
Logical Dude
August 8th, 2012
3:24 pm
quoting the quoted quote: Jesus said ‘love thy neighbors’. They are our neighbors, and we must love them.
So, why doesn’t everyone try to live by this simple rule?
It is one I try to live by.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
August 8th, 2012
3:26 pm
These right-winged extremist ultra-religious fruit-cake nutjobs are no different than those they call their (or our) enemies. Sadly they cannot see themselves for what they are. It is why I no longer attend church services.
Peadawg
August 8th, 2012
3:26 pm
Sorry but I have to point this out – funny I didn’t see you do a post out you about mayors in Chicago and other cities saying they won’t give Chick-Fil-A building permits b/c of their views of gay marriage. Is that ok? Or no? Just for clarification.
“Clearly, we must prevent such dangerous sentiments from spreading and taking over the country.”
And you know damn well that not all Muslims think that way. He doesn’t speak for the entire faith.
Tundra Dude
August 8th, 2012
3:27 pm
Lou Ann Zelenik, Black’s opponent, was an even more bitter foe of the mosque, pledging that if elected she would “work to stop the Islamization of our society, and do everything possible to prevent Sharia law from circumventing our laws and our Constitution.”
Lou Ann Zelenik: Take Back Your Brain. Stop watching that Faux Nuze!
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 8th, 2012
3:28 pm
There will always crazy folks from all walks of life that do dumb things. You can not label individual acts by their race, creed or religion. The Fort Hood shooting was awful, and this one was the other day. Call me crazy, but a well armed public keeps crime down. Imagine only the bad guys having guns, and they would. It would opening day on crime everyday. I’ll take my chances staying safe with my guns.I don’t think owning a gun or not needs to identify your patriotism.
ragnar danneskjold
August 8th, 2012
3:28 pm
An American is someone distressed about concentration of power in Washington. Everything else is either irrelevant or unAmerican.
jeff
August 8th, 2012
3:29 pm
Muslims have never done anything bad ever!!!!
Well, except for a few bombings, and steering a few hijacked airliners into large buildings. Besides that they are all wonderful.
Ben Shockley
August 8th, 2012
3:29 pm
“On July 4, the nation’s birthday, some proud American patriot tried to set a mosque afire in Joplin, Mo. On Monday, a second fire succeeded in destroying the Joplin mosque altogether, burning it to the ground. Arson is strongly suspected.”
Jay (and fellow libs)…do you have proof that the Joplin fires were the work of “some proud American patriot” or any other conservative/Christian/other? I’m just thinking about the mosque that was set on fire in Cobb county a while back, you know, the one where the culprit turned out to be another muslim…
Paul
August 8th, 2012
3:29 pm
Sounds like Missouri and Tennessee need to reintroduce the teaching of American government and civics into their schools.
And these bozos look at the Mideast and wonder why people over there are trying to kill each other.
Personally, if I was there, I’d be heading to Friday services with them. Let them know that the ideals of America and the Christian faith are still alive and kicking.
Jay
August 8th, 2012
3:31 pm
Peadawg, I was on vacation during the Great Chicken Sandwich Controversy, but if things are as you report, no, that would NOT be acceptable.
Ben Shockley
August 8th, 2012
3:32 pm
Guess we’re not going to blog about the $1.4 trillion deficits and sustained 9+% unemploment until AFTER the election, and even then only if a republican takes office.
Peadawg
August 8th, 2012
3:32 pm
“Great Chicken Sandwich Controversy” –
Thanks, Jay.
Logical Dude
August 8th, 2012
3:32 pm
When Jesus said this, the man asked him: But who is my neighbor?
And Jesus told a parable:
A woman was beaten and mugged and left to the side of the road.
A minister, coming down the road, saw this, and crossed to the other side and went on.
A priest, coming down the road, saw this, and crossed to the other side and went on.
An Arabian homosexual HIV positive Muslim with a tattoo came along. Saw the scene and took compassion on the victim and helped the woman to the hospital. He stayed overnight to help and watch. When leaving the next day, told the hospital that he would pay the bill.
Who is that woman’s neighbor?
And the the man replied: The Good Samaritan
And Jesus said: Go and do likewise.
Ben Shockley
August 8th, 2012
3:33 pm
Heck, let’s talk about George W. Bush’s air national guard service. It’s equally relevant.
Drew
August 8th, 2012
3:33 pm
The ignorance, stupidity, self-deceit, and selective interpretation of the constitution of the new far-right wing of the republican party is really reaching new lows. The call to arms to prevent religous organizations from covering contraception in the name of religous liberty is massive. Yet these samehow think that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” should not apply to Islam. This idiocy is what has pushed me out of the republican party.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 8th, 2012
3:33 pm
Well, I think it’s time to be reasonable about them mosques. I think they ought to be allowed to be built if no one lives within, say, 15 miles. That way the
Towelheadsworshipers can have Freedom of Religion like us real Americans in the Baptist, Methodist, and Holiness churches. I mean, they got to have someplace to worship till we can convert them to a real religion.So I’m real open-minded. I just wish more people in this state were the same.
Class of '98
August 8th, 2012
3:37 pm
Awww…. the poor, peace-loving religion of Islam is terrorized again. Why do they ALWAYS have to be the victims?????
Paul
August 8th, 2012
3:37 pm
Logical Dude
I’m going to have a difficult time not stealing that next time I’m in a discussion about making the New Testament relevant -
Joe Hussein Mama
August 8th, 2012
3:37 pm
Jay — Members of nearby Grace Baptist Church are also making clear their opposition, erecting 13 large white crosses along the route to the mosque. “It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity,” the man who erected the crosses said. “We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”
I wonder if this man *really* thought that he needed to make that point to the muslim congregation, or if he was just trying to be a Richard about it.
HavocMaker72
August 8th, 2012
3:39 pm
Debbie,
I don’t always agree with what you post, but you have to know that I think your 3:17 p.m. post was hilarious. Well done.
HM
Paul
August 8th, 2012
3:39 pm
jeff 3:29 Class 98 3:37
Hint: the theme’s about religious tolerance in America…..
fo-cus…..
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DDR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alex
August 8th, 2012
3:41 pm
Congratulations Ben Shockley, you’ve provided the entire class with a perfect example of “missing the point.”
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists..
August 8th, 2012
3:41 pm
Call me crazy, but a well armed public keeps crime down. Imagine only the bad guys having guns, and they would. It would opening day on crime everyday. I’ll take my chances staying safe with my guns.I don’t think owning a gun or not needs to identify your patriotism.
Hey Crazy! the article wasn’t about gun control! Perhaps if you’d put down your gun long enough to actually READ the article and COMPREHEND what you’ve just read; the world — especially the U.S. would be a better place.
Just saying………..
rightwingextreme
August 8th, 2012
3:41 pm
Jay, peadawg is correct about the mayors in beantown and chi-town. both said CFA wasn’t welcome and/or that they would make it hard for them to get a permit.
BTW…the Jesus Muslims believe is not the same Jesus Christians believe in.
The following is Sura 9:5. This is in the next to last Sura from the Koran is viewed chronologically. This is part of the final message Allah gave to Muhammed: When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.
You won’t find anything close to that in the New Testament.
Jay, if Sharia law is implemented in the U.S it would be a very dangerous thing. Sharia law and English Common Law are based upon two entirely different world views.
The founder of Christianity, Jesus, died on the cross for the sins of the world.
The founder of Islam, Muhammed, killed thousands during the establishment of Islam.
History is very clear on this. Ask any historian and they will confirm this.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 8th, 2012
3:42 pm
Whisper and ask a European about Muslims in there country.
getalife
August 8th, 2012
3:42 pm
Just seeing the rw’s true colors.
Our President tried to get a prisoner swap with the Taliban.
The October surprise might be peace with the Taliban and approved oil pipe line.
They BOTH suck
August 8th, 2012
3:42 pm
Ben
Is anyone stopping you from starting your own blog?
You could pick the topic, set the rules, etc
Knock yourself out
A Christian
August 8th, 2012
3:42 pm
It is frightening the hate the right wing has for people who are different…Muslims, gays, immigrants, etc., etc., etc. As long ads demogogues like Palin, Bachman, Black and Zelenik, and the like spout their hate, crazy people like the thug in Wisconsin will think it’s okay to kill those people. God help us from the so-called Christians whose policies and statements are the complete antithesis of Christ’s teachings.
Paul
August 8th, 2012
3:44 pm
extreme
“BTW…the Jesus Muslims believe is not the same Jesus Christians believe in.”
I’ll hazard a guess the Jesus those folks in Tennessee and Missouri believe in isn’t the same Jesus that Jesus believes in, either -
Class of '98
August 8th, 2012
3:44 pm
In an unrelated story, another hundred thousand little muslim girls had their cl*ts cut off today, but we must all remain tolerant and accepting of everyone else’s religion because all religions and cultures are perfectly equal in every way.
Recon 0311 2533
August 8th, 2012
3:44 pm
I guess this topic and the previous are distractions from other news reports like the shameless anti Romney ads based on bold faced lies.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/08/steelworker-in-super-pac-ad-previously-appeared-in-obama-ads/
ragnar danneskjold
August 8th, 2012
3:45 pm
Peaceful protest is fully American, but interfering with the individual right to peaceful enjoyment of his property is unAmerican. Our host’s essay seemingly disapproves of both.
Ben Shockley
August 8th, 2012
3:45 pm
“Congratulations Ben Shockley, you’ve provided the entire class with a perfect example of “missing the point.” ”
LOL…likewise…
Thulsa Doom
August 8th, 2012
3:45 pm
“So I’m real open-minded. I just wish more people in this state were the same.”
Redneck Convert finally says something that’s actually funny.
getalife
August 8th, 2012
3:46 pm
I remember the cons being scared to death of aq and there was not a tea party to fight for freedom or spending..
They BOTH suck
August 8th, 2012
3:46 pm
“In an unrelated story, another hundred thousand little muslim girls had their cl*ts cut off today, but we must all remain tolerant and accepting of everyone else’s religion because all religions and cultures are perfectly equal in every way.”
And that justifies the incidents Jay mentioned how exactly?
ragnar danneskjold
August 8th, 2012
3:46 pm
Dishonesty in political advertising is unAmerican.
Thulsa Doom
August 8th, 2012
3:46 pm
Debbiedoright was first. Unlike LSU.
B
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Paul
August 8th, 2012
3:46 pm
extreme
“You won’t find anything close to that in the New Testament.”
Ever read Revelation? About all those seals getting broken and what’s gonna get poured out on the earth?
You haven’t? Okay, how about an entire book telling a slave to go back into slavery and be a good little slave and for the owner to let him back……
Erwin's cat
August 8th, 2012
3:47 pm
Maybe the mosque didn’t display Chicago values
Bernie
August 8th, 2012
3:48 pm
Hate, is now mainstream AGAIN! and welcomed BACK! in America!
We say, Thank-you to the Republican and Tea Party Members and supporters.
We have heard you loud and clear…. Where would WE ever be without you?
Jay
August 8th, 2012
3:48 pm
“You won’t find anything close to that in the New Testament.”
However, you would find a lot of similar material in the Old Testament, which is also considered part of the Word of God, is it not?
A passage from Deuteronomy comes to mind:
“When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.”
“Do not leave anything that breathes….” Was that not the Christian God speaking?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 8th, 2012
3:48 pm
R. W. Extreme — “You won’t find anything close to that in the New Testament.”
Nice job of disavowing the Spanish Inquisition.
Paul
August 8th, 2012
3:48 pm
BOTH suck
No need to engage someone who doesn’t understand the difference between theology and culture.
Class of '98
August 8th, 2012
3:49 pm
It doesn’t justfy the violence. I just like to point out what an overrated word “tolerance” is. The German villagers living near Dachau were very “tolerant” of the odors eminating from it.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 8th, 2012
3:49 pm
Romney ought to start every sentence about Obama with ” What we’re hearing is”…………
getalife
August 8th, 2012
3:50 pm
“Debbiedoright was first. Unlike LSU.”
Ha, it gives me pause about our quarterback when Miles gets Penn State’s quarterback but he like his two quarterback system.
Joe Hussein Mama
August 8th, 2012
3:50 pm
R. W. Extreme — “The founder of Christianity, Jesus, died on the cross for the sins of the world.”
Well, that’s what he *said,* but I think we need to check his birth certificate before we accept that whole ’son of god’ line.
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 8th, 2012
3:50 pm
Can someone provide me with data indicating which state was the first to fall under Sharia Law as well as what freedoms people don’t have today that they had prior to January 20, 2009?Just curious.
Thanks!
James
August 8th, 2012
3:51 pm
Jay, do you believe everything the Muslims say?
Statistician
August 8th, 2012
3:51 pm
Oh wow I can’t believe people are debating this.
Jay
August 8th, 2012
3:51 pm
I don’t believe everything that anyone tells me, James.
What’s your point?
Brosephus™
August 8th, 2012
3:51 pm
Call me crazy, but a well armed public keeps crime down.
Hi Crazy!!! A well armed public sounds good, but it can actually be more of a liability than an asset. Being well armed doesn’t amount to diddly squat if you don’t:
1) Know how to use your firearm, and know how to use it well.
2) Know how to defend and maintain your firearm if an assailant is attempting to take it from you.
3) Know how to store your firearm so that it doesn’t fall into the wrong hands when you don’t have it with you.
If you can’t manage those three things there, all you’ve basically done is give your attacker another weapon to use against you.
————————-
on topic:
There is probably a segment of the Muslim population here in the US that sympathizes with the extreme Islamist outlook. I imagine that segment pales in comparison with the segment of American Muslims who take pride in being American and all that entails. It’s a sad day when people b*tch about being persecuted for their religious beliefs while they are stomping all over someone else’s beliefs at the same time. Maybe those extreme Christians should go take over Cuba or something. I think most Cubans are Christians (Roman Catholic).
Joe Hussein Mama
August 8th, 2012
3:52 pm
B. Cassidy — “which state was the first to fall under Sharia Law”
Someone better tell the Law family that their daughter really gets around.
godless heathen
August 8th, 2012
3:52 pm
My superstitions are better than your superstitions because most of my neighbors share mine.
Ben Shockley
August 8th, 2012
3:53 pm
“Whisper and ask a European about Muslims in their country.”
You might also ask them about cradle to grave government dependancy and it’s impact on the economy. Sadly, however, liberals are all about repeating the same mistakes over and over and over….
Thulsa Doom
August 8th, 2012
3:53 pm
In this particular case I think the Muslims showed grace and class and the so called Christian politicians appealed to the worst in people.
But in the great scheme of things Muslims routinely attack and kill Christians and other religions and burn their churches or places of worship to the ground- it happens routinely in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Nigeria, and Muslim assaults against other religions take place in East Asia as well. It happens in a lot of places and as Merkel said and as one poster above pointed out Muslim integration in Europe and especially in Britain, France, and Germany hasn’t gone over well at all.
One single example of Christians behaving poorly and Muslims behaving in a good manner doesn’t change all that. Nice try though Jay.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
August 8th, 2012
3:53 pm
Members of nearby Grace Baptist Church are also making clear their opposition, erecting 13 large white crosses along the route to the mosque. “It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity,” the man who erected the crosses said. “We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.”
Because using crosses to send a message to those you feel are being uppidity of course does not already have a history
St Simons - codewords are the new black
August 8th, 2012
3:53 pm
how many “isolated” wingnut attacks before it’s a trend?
how many “one lone nuts” before we can retire that raydio talky point?
i’m tellin you, we better get this addressed before Nov 7th
the unhinged cons are gonna come un-flippin-glued.
TaxPayer
August 8th, 2012
3:53 pm
Was that not the Christian God speaking?
That was Version 1.0. They have had an upgrade to a newer more forgiving God. One that asks nicely that you at least read the Ten Commandments rather than live by them and not to worry about failing to live up to them because there’s an escape clause for the believers.
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 8th, 2012
3:54 pm
TD – “One single example of Christians behaving poorly”
One? What, you never heard of the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition?
Logical Dude
August 8th, 2012
3:54 pm
Oops, in my parable, I forgot to add “undocumented”
Lord Help Us
August 8th, 2012
3:55 pm
Like many Patriotic Americans that have eaten more Chick-fil-a in the last week than in all of the rest of their years combined, my parents are terrified about ‘Sharia Creep.’
On the battlefield of the annual ‘War of Xmas’ last year they and some of their neighbors bought some new appliances (before the VAT tax was voted into law) and have a few hundred years supply of incandescent light bulbs in storage because they have been outlawed.
I wish I were kidding…
Jay
August 8th, 2012
3:56 pm
Thulsa, if you believe the point of the post was to propose the superiority of Muslims over Christians, I suggest a little remedial work in reading comprehension. It’s about living up to the values that we Americans of all faiths espouse.
Brosephus™
August 8th, 2012
3:56 pm
Is anyone stopping you from starting your own blog?
You could pick the topic, set the rules, etc
Knock yourself out
They BOTH
Ain’t no fun in writing a blog that nobody visits. It’s kinda like that tree falling in the forest thing when nobody’s around.
GT
August 8th, 2012
3:56 pm
One thing the election of Obama brings is honest positioning from the right. They once gave lip service to being fair minded about race, but that was when they thought they were dealing with confederate, worthless, money. Suddenly Obama wins their lip service got a black man in the White House and now they can’t afford the charity of conversation, people are taking them serious.
They BOTH suck
August 8th, 2012
3:56 pm
WOW
The number of bloggers who are attempting to down play these incidents by deflecting to what they say Muslims have done or changing the subject altogether is amazing.
Well Muslims did this
They did that
They even killed my cat
Class of '98
August 8th, 2012
3:56 pm
The Spanish Inquisition was responsible for maybe 10,000 deaths. Many estimates are much lower. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler (he was NO Christian, despite what your idiot high school history teach may have told you) and other athiests were responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 8th, 2012
3:57 pm
several Joplin-area churches have volunteered to host an an interfaith “iftar,” or Ramadan fast-breaking meal
Good for them. Glad to see some locals understand what religious faith is supposed to be all about.
I was able to dig up a few more details here.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cair-mo-church-to-host-iftar-for-congregation-of-burned-mosque-165424196.html
They BOTH suck
August 8th, 2012
3:57 pm
Bro
It was a nice way to say suck it up big baby and quit your crying
Logical Dude
August 8th, 2012
3:57 pm
Jays UPDATE: I should note that several Joplin-area churches have volunteered to host an an interfaith “iftar,” or Ramadan fast-breaking meal, for the congregation of the mosque destroyed Monday.
Yep, that’s what I’m talkin’ about.
Recon 0311 2533
August 8th, 2012
3:57 pm
What an exaggerated topic as though daily we Mosque burnings all over America. We don’t have Mosque burnings all over America but we do have a far-left war against Christianity all over America.
Paul
August 8th, 2012
3:58 pm
TaxPayer
“That was Version 1.0. They have had an upgrade to a newer more forgiving God.”
So Christians think God evolved, yet they deny evolution? Hmmmmm………
gadem
August 8th, 2012
3:58 pm
Just like there are varying forms of Christianity, there are varying forms of Islam. For some right wingers to assume that someone that is Islamic is a terrorist who be akin to me assuming that ALL whites want to put on bedsheets and ride around in the dead of night to kidnap and kill blacks…so, is that true?
Thulsa Doom
August 8th, 2012
3:58 pm
Ben Shockley do have a point about Muslims in Europe. A damn good one he do.
Oh. I almost forgot. Sarkozy also had a little something to say about Muslim integration in Europe.
http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/14-02-2011/116892-france_muslims-0/
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 8th, 2012
3:58 pm
” Muslims who take pride in being American and everything it entails”…………..No, most are hard working. Sitting at home on the front porch waiting for a government check ain’t their thing. The ones I know like working and getting rich……and geez, have employee’s they don’t split ALL the profits with.
Butch Cassidy (I)
August 8th, 2012
3:58 pm
Class of 98 – “The Spanish Inquisition was responsible for maybe 10,000 deaths.”
Oh good, that only leaves the Crusades.
JamVet
August 8th, 2012
4:00 pm
Class of ‘98, do you come from a long line of Klanners?
LOL…
Joe Hussein Mama
August 8th, 2012
4:00 pm
LHU — “and have a few hundred years supply of incandescent light bulbs in storage because they have been outlawed. I wish I were kidding…”
If they were going to spend that much on bulbs, they might just as well have skipped over CFLs and gone straight to LEDs. We’re just about done changing all the interior lighting over to LED and our monthly power bill dropped another $25 this year (we have leveled billing).
The LEDs would have cost more up front, but would have lasted a lot longer and saved them energy costs into the bargain.
Recon 0311 2533
August 8th, 2012
4:00 pm
Correction on my last: as though daily we have Mosque burnings.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists..
August 8th, 2012
4:00 pm
Ben – here’s a hint “Start your own blog”. Hope you take it.
Paul — Thanks!! I have decided to turn 21 (again) this year!! It’s a wonderful feeling!!
Havoc – thanks!
stands for decibels (SfBA)
August 8th, 2012
4:00 pm
mayors in Chicago and other cities saying they won’t give Chick-Fil-A building permits
Those mayors have not had a lot of support, actually.
I agree, it’s stupid and un-American to selectively determine that a restaurant franchise shouldn’t be allowed to open, simply because the CEO holds political views you find repellant.
See also:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/nyregion/bloomberg-calls-chick-fil-a-bans-inappropriate.html
They BOTH suck
August 8th, 2012
4:00 pm
Uh Oh
Here comes the war on Christmas stories
I remember several years ago Bill Oliely and others going on and on about Happy Holidays vs Merry Christmas. The travesty was going to bring down this nation.
Irony: The Christmas ornaments that Fox was selling with the pundits name and face on them read “HAPPY HOLIDAYS”……….
hahahahaha
Brosephus™
August 8th, 2012
4:00 pm
I guess this topic and the previous are distractions from other news reports like the shameless anti Romney ads based on bold faced lies.
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Dishonesty in political advertising is unAmerican.
Maybe Jay should talk about dishonesty in political advertising for this campaign. What say ye, Jay???
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/bill-clinton-denounces-romneys-welfare-ad/2012/08/07/7a52283a-e102-11e1-8fc5-a7dcf1fc161d_blog.html
Former president Bill Clinton is speaking out against a new ad from Mitt Romney’s campaign that accuses President Obama of rolling back Clinton’s welfare reforms.
“Gov. Romney released an ad today alleging that the Obama administration had weakened the work requirements of the 1996 Welfare Reform Act. That is not true,” Clinton said in a statement from his office at the Clinton Foundation released late Tuesday night.
I think the Fact Checker at WaPo gave that ad 4 Pinocchios, and Fact Check gave it a “Pants on Fire” rating. Seems like this campaign has devolved into “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander”. Don’t start a mud slinging fight if you don’t wanna get dirty. Romney should have known that.
Class of '98
August 8th, 2012
4:02 pm
Okay let’s assume the Crusades (which were WARS over territory, and people die in wars), was responsible for another 100,000 deaths, on the high end. 110,000 versus hundreds of millions. I’m not saying the Crusades or Inquisition were GOOD, but they resulted in nowhere near the suffering in death that results from atheist socialism.
Thulsa Doom
August 8th, 2012
4:02 pm
Jay,
And as I clearly pointed out in this case the Muslims were in the right and the Christians were in the wrong. Perhaps in your own reading comprehension you missed that piece.
My point is that in the great scheme of things that Muslim violence against Christians is a far larger issue than Christian antagonism or violence towards Islam. Finding one little example of Christians behaving badly doesn’t change the big picture sir- though you tried.
rightwingextreme
August 8th, 2012
4:02 pm
Jay, yes…the passage you cite from the OT is from God. However it was directed to the Jews as they were moving into the Promised Land. This was given so they would not adopt the practices of those nations…which sadly the Bible does record they did and received the judgment of God. I will make no apologies for how God deals with His people.
But to my earlier point…and apparently no one can disagree, in the NT there is no where that Christians are commanded to kill their enemy.
To another poster’s point there is Revelation. However, that is what is to come for those who have not accepted Christ as Savior. So there is time for repentance of sins before this happens. And yes there were admonitions about slavery. However, the point of the NT is to introduce people to the forgiveness of Christ.
Paul was not attempting to address the issue of slavery in the Roman Empire. (Notice nothing was specifically said either about infant sacrifice or abortion which was practiced in the Empire either…however, Christianity was against both as it is against abortion today!) He was trying to introduce Christianity, which I might add, was one of the driving forces behind ending slavery in the western world. Wish I could say Islam ended slavery in their part of the world, but it continues to this day. We won’t even discuss the role of women in Islam! Let’s just say Pelosi and crowd would have a very difficult time under Sharia Law!
Joe Hussein Mama
August 8th, 2012
4:02 pm
‘98 — “The Spanish Inquisition was responsible for maybe 10,000 deaths. Many estimates are much lower. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler (he was NO Christian, despite what your idiot high school history teach may have told you) and other athiests were responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.”
Say what you will, but more people have been killed in the name of religion than have been killed in the name of atheism.
Class of '98
August 8th, 2012
4:03 pm
JamVet, thanks for continuing to prove that when liberals run out of arguments, they accuse racism.
As predictable as the sun rising.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 8th, 2012
4:03 pm
Would love to go to a Christmas party with all the folks on here………..Whoops, Holiday party, my bad,.
Lord Help Us
August 8th, 2012
4:04 pm
‘My point is that in the great scheme of things that Muslim violence against Christians is a far larger issue than Christian antagonism or violence towards Islam’
Tell that to about 100,000 Iraqis…
Class of '98
August 8th, 2012
4:04 pm
Joe Hussein Mama – “more people have been killed in the name of religion than have been killed in the name of atheism”
You are incorrect, and it’s not even close.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
August 8th, 2012
4:04 pm
Class, you got that right, for the first time in my life, disagreeing with a Dem makes me a racist.
Recon 0311 2533
August 8th, 2012
4:05 pm
Removing the welfare reform work requirement is rolling it back.
Matti
August 8th, 2012
4:06 pm
“The Spanish Inquisition was responsible for maybe 10,000 deaths.”
Oh, wow. Is THAT all? Can we count one death as two if they are horrific public-torture deaths in which innocent people die suffering unimaginable pain while begging for their lives?
Joe Hussein Mama
August 8th, 2012
4:06 pm
‘98 — “You are incorrect, and it’s not even close.”
You’re right that it’s not even close. But I’m not wrong. More have been killed in the name of religion than have been killed in the name of atheism.
Paul
August 8th, 2012
4:06 pm
afternoon, Thulsa
“My point is that in the great scheme of things that Muslim violence against Christians is a far larger issue than Christian antagonism or violence towards Islam. Finding one little example of Christians behaving badly doesn’t change the big picture sir- though you tried.”
Try looking at it in the context of the article: Christians in America and Muslims in America and the Constitution that overarches both -