Time to put on those travelin’ shoes and go a-fishin’
The first time I saw the great Elvin Bishop, we were both younger men. It was back in the early ’70s, in Raleigh, N.C., right about the time he put out his excellent and underrated album “Let It Flow.” Looking through the song list from that album — “Travelin’ Shoes,” “Stealin’ Watermelons” — is like going back in time.
That album also included Elvin’s classic celebration of fishing, the aptly titled “Fishin’.” It’s a critically important theme, so important that Mr. Bishop felt obligated to revisit it at more length in a later song, the equally aptly titled “Gone Fishin’ Again,” as in “me and my no-good friends are gone fishin’ again.”
Which of course we are. See ya’ll back here in a couple of weeks. Be good, be cool and be wishin’ you were with us, ‘cuz we plan on having us a damn good time.
– Jay Bookman
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BADAss BING
July 22nd, 2012
9:30 am
Jam……I wonder if anyone at that theater that is a sci fi geek and violent video game player, will have a change of heart after witnessing that type of action in real life. Just curious if that would happen.
BADAss BING
July 22nd, 2012
9:34 am
Did the shooter play “Doom”, “World of Warcraft”, did he play paintball? Where did he get his knowledge of weapons and tactics? I haven’t read anything in his past that is out of the ordinary.
Oscar
July 22nd, 2012
9:38 am
If you use google, you will find there are plenty of articles on mass murderers. Anger, depression and obession seem to be some of the key factors.
http://www.securityinfowatch.com/article/10489768/the-psychology-of-a-mass-murderer
larry
July 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
I haven’t read anything in his past that is out of the ordinary. That’s what scary. He seemed to everyone , a quiet , shy but a regular guy who was 24 years of age. Its going to be real interesting to what the motive is going to be.
Oscar
July 22nd, 2012
9:42 am
More reading on mass murderers.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1612694,00.html
JamVet
July 22nd, 2012
9:42 am
Perhaps, BADAss.
But how tragic is it that it takes some murderous maniac for a few people to learn the lesson?
Many years ago I became repulsed by Sly Stallone, Arnold, Bruce Willis et al, ad nauseum. And vowed to NEVER watch any of that filth. And if I ever see a movie/TV program where handguns/body counts are an integral part of the show, I turn it off.
This is my choice. And why I have strongly denounced Hollywood and the gun industry for their roles in promoting and profiting from depravity.
But then I realized it was the movie going public that repulsed me. These clowns just filled their vicarious need for bloodlust and to slaughter and ruin. Primarily in the name of “entertainment”.
Not to be a prude, but I find it rather sickening.
Even so, maybe after enough senseless slaughters, NOT revering ultra-violence will catch on in this country!
(Yeah, sure…)
BTW, sci-fi is, in and of itself, not ultra-violent.
And double BTW, not speaking out against this murderous pandemic in America is akin to tolerating it.
How can I change the world
When I can’t change myself?
Try again tomorrow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v10gEIUcK70
barking frog
July 22nd, 2012
9:44 am
0311
Following up on our discussion, do you agree
that the SCOTUS has ruled
that state governments can
ban all guns except black
powder guns in common
use at the time the 2nd
amendment was passed.
Recon 0311 2533
July 22nd, 2012
9:47 am
AS usual in the aftermath of a tragic event involving a lone sociopathic shooter we have the left wing anti-gun chorus coming out with their demands for restrictive gun control laws or outright banning of firearms. There are several million gun owners in this country the overwhelming majority are law abiding citizens who hurt no one with the lawful pursuit of their hobby. 19,000 Americans killed by guns, there are close to 3 times that many killed in traffic accidents and several thousand more killed accidently by other means. Maybe we should ban motorized vehicles, riding lawnmowers or ladders so we can protect our citizens. The left wants to penalize several million law abiding citizens who’re collectors, sportsman and target shooters. Truly ignorant as well as unAmerican.
BADAss BING
July 22nd, 2012
9:56 am
Yes, sci-fi is not always violent. I myself went to Dragon Con last year, and really enjoyed the parade and costumes. Not a game player anymore. I used to play the old classics, Astroids, Pac Man, etc. I still have a huge stand up Astroid game in my house. Anyone attending Dragon Con this year?
JamVet
July 22nd, 2012
10:01 am
That certain small minded people take these facts and twist them into their own rhetorical, fact-free, nonsense-filled, head in the sand diatribes and screeds is typical of the violence addicted in America.
If not so deadly, I would just laugh at them.
Now have another Budweiser, go slap your wives, kick your dogs and watch some more uber-violence on the boob tube and bitch about the liberals that run Hollywood…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zUGd-VC3wk
Toodles, all; way too much to do today to play here…
Recon 0311 2533
July 22nd, 2012
10:13 am
This tragic incident once again brings out those who’ll rant against gun ownership and yet support open border illegal immigration, which is a danger far greater than legally owned firearms.
carlosgvv
July 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Since we have to pass a test to get a drivers license, why not make a gun proficency test necessary to buy a gun? After all, a car is a potentially deadly weapon and an untrained person behind the wheel would be very dangerous to the public. Why not apply that same kind of logic to guns? Oh wait!! I know!! This would reduce gun sales and gun manufacturers would lose some profits. And, since profit means everything to them and human lives mean nothing, and since they own Republican politicians, gun licencing will never happen.
Hey, is this a great country or what????????????????
TaxPayer
July 22nd, 2012
10:21 am
As usual, the conned are on here defending killings with guns by telling us all how many more die in other ways therefore guns are not nearly as bad.
Oscar
July 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
carlosgvv
July 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
_______
I think he could have passed a gun proficiency test. The only other option would be to pass a psychogical profile test – but that is filled with all sorts of problems, real and political
Don’t sell guns to people who are depressed or show repressed angry. How do you screen for that in a gun shop.
Only possible control is to limit the types of guns and arms people can buy. Six shot revolvers and double barrel shot guns are ok. But limit rifles to those holding no more than six rounds. Those restrictions seem reasonable. Who needs a semi-auto rifle or pistol that holds 100 rounds of ammo.
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
10:32 am
“This tragic incident once again brings out those who’ll rant against gun ownership and yet support open border illegal immigration,”
The Colorado shooter was an illegal immigrant? Where did you get that information?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
July 22nd, 2012
10:36 am
Carlos,
Making the small percentage of gun owners with less than pure motives more accurate shooters, in my mind’ isn’t a worthy goal…I don’t like guns and they scare me. We are never going to get them out of our society but surely there is a better means of keeping them out of the wrong hands…
Yet another example how special interest cash is king with our impotent government….our needs are completely subordinate, except during election time when all the promises are made never to be fulfilled…
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
July 22nd, 2012
10:37 am
Carlos,
I definitely believe a drivers like test should be adminstered to anyone desiring the reproduce….
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
10:47 am
joe’s statue is history as the NCAA does not play politics.
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
10:47 am
“Only possible control is to limit the types of guns and arms people can buy”
and if someone drives teir car into a crowd and kills a bunch of people, will you then call for us to limit which cars we can own?
Thomas
July 22nd, 2012
10:48 am
“Non extremists” are simply trying to tell extremists that folks sometimes don’t have jobs, get sick, get killed, die, etc.- stop pushing ridiculous agendas based on (negative) results.
Don’t bomb Iraq because of chicken coops.
Don’t ban alcohol because of alcholism
Don’t ban cars because of auto based fatalities
Don’t ban guns because of gun deaths
Don’t put a wall on the Mexican border because some illegal immigrants kill folks in the US
The world needs much less of the far right and the far left.
You get the picture now are you still in the mood of being simple minded?
Brosephus™
July 22nd, 2012
10:49 am
We are never going to get them out of our society but surely there is a better means of keeping them out of the wrong hands…
The question becomes who determines and how do you determine who’s hands are wrong?
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
10:50 am
“The question becomes who determines and how do you determine who’s hands are wrong?”
And HOW do you determine whose hands are wrong?
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
10:54 am
You act like congress will act.
They will not do anything about the guns.
I look at all the other countries protesting cuts to no avail.
I think the same will happen here.
Erwin's cat
July 22nd, 2012
11:05 am
clearly we need to ban batman movies
Brosephus™
July 22nd, 2012
11:09 am
And HOW do you determine whose hands are wrong?
Dunno… Same question I have. What criteria do you use to make that decision? What things have to be present to determine someone can’t possess a gun? Too many ambiguities to conquer in my opinion.
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
11:11 am
“Too many ambiguities to conquer in my opinion”
Yep. And until someone comes up with a fool proof mind reading and mind control machine, there’s always will be. (but then there’s this: make something foolproof and nature will provide a more talented fool)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 22nd, 2012
11:14 am
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - An Oregon woman has filed a $9.2 million lawsuit against pop star Justin Bieber, alleging she suffered permanent hearing loss at his Portland concert two years ago.
Clearly we need to ban Justin Bieber.
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
11:15 am
The Ar-15 jammed but my fast and furious Ak-47’s never do.
Best deal ever.
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
11:35 am
Dang, I could have sued ACDC after the Highway to Hell tour for my hearing loss.
Brosephus™
July 22nd, 2012
11:37 am
(but then there’s this: make something foolproof and nature will provide a more talented fool)
Yep!!
barking frog
July 22nd, 2012
11:44 am
Searching the New Testament, I find no place
Jesus urged the possession
of weapons by his followers.
carlosgvv
July 22nd, 2012
11:44 am
About 30,000 people die from gunshot wounds every year in America. A thorough review of this reveals the following:
1. Gun manufacturers will continue to sell as many wepaons as possible,including assualt rifles, and will press for the sale of even more lethal weapon sales in the future. Their crazed greed for profit clearly shows their total disregard for human life.
2. Republican politicians will continue to block any legal restrictions to these increased weapon sales. Their crazed greed for political power has prompted them to sell themselves to Big Business in order to obtain election and re-election funding. This also shows a complete lack of regard for human life.
3. Gun owners and potential gun buyers will insist on their “right to keep and bear arms” no matter how high the death toll gets. Their phallic failings are so painful that they must have relief by substituting guns, no matter how many people must die.
There will not be any change in these practices in the forseeable future. So, those of us not crazed by monetary, political, of phallic inadequatecy must learn to cope with this shooting gallery we call America.
barking frog
July 22nd, 2012
11:47 am
carlosgvv
the pendulum will swing.
BADAss BING
July 22nd, 2012
11:51 am
Don’t let politicians on either side talk to the victims and families. They have suffered enough.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Captalists..
July 22nd, 2012
11:54 am
Jay’s gone for a few WEEKS and he’s letting the inmates run the prison?
Hooo hoooo!!! Party over here!!!
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Captalists..
July 22nd, 2012
12:05 pm
Who needs a semi-auto rifle or pistol that holds 100 rounds of ammo.
Was that a rhetorical question?
Frog: Searching the New Testament, I find no place
Jesus urged the possession
of weapons by his followers.
It’s in Genesis 3:4 — Right behind the verse where he made ammo. Duh!
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Captalists..
July 22nd, 2012
12:08 pm
Since, (The Good Reverend), Juanita Bynum has admitted to having had sex with women, I’m suing her………………….for the visual that flashed into my mind when I read that statement in the AJC. Yuk!! EEeeewwww!!
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
12:09 pm
Have you ever noticed that Jay’s “fishing trips”never includes pictures of any fish they caught?
It’s a conspiracy theory of you will.
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
12:10 pm
About 40,000 people die in car accidents every year in America. A thorough review of this reveals the following:
1. Car manufacturers will continue to sell as many vehicles as possible and will press for the sale of even more lethal vehicles sales in the future. Their crazed greed for profit clearly shows their total disregard for human life.
2. Politicians will continue to block any legal restrictions to these increased vehicle sales. Their crazed greed for political power has prompted them to sell themselves to Big Business in order to obtain election and re-election funding. This also shows a complete lack of regard for human life.
3. Car owners and potential car buyers will insist on their right to keep and drive cars no matter how high the death toll gets. Their phallic failings are so painful that they must have relief by substituting cars, no matter how many people must die.
There will not be any change in these practices in the forseeable future. So, those of us not crazed by monetary, political, of phallic inadequatecy must learn to cope with this car accident we call America
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
12:12 pm
“It’s in Genesis 3:4 — Right behind the verse where he made ammo. Duh”
Genesis is not in the New Testament
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
12:13 pm
“Have you ever noticed that Jay’s “fishing trips”never includes pictures of any fish they caught?”
Never is a long time. He did post a picture of a fish a couple of years ago
Brosephus™
July 22nd, 2012
12:16 pm
DDR
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
12:18 pm
How about mandated insurance on gun purchases?
barking frog
July 22nd, 2012
12:18 pm
DebbieDo
Thanks. I looked for it near
where he urged his non
followers to be smartasses.
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
12:19 pm
Doggone,
Figures.
My memory is so bad I can’t remember what I had for breakfast
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
12:22 pm
“How about mandated insurance on gun purchases?”
That makes more sense than anything else that has been “proposed”, but there’s not going to be anyway to enforce it on private sales (read illegal sales)
Going Going Gone
July 22nd, 2012
12:24 pm
“I looked for it near
where he urged his non
followers to be smartasses.”
Not sure where or even if he urged his followers to be “smart asses”, but if this board is an indication, several fit that category as well as being dumb asses
barking frog
July 22nd, 2012
12:28 pm
“Not sure where or even if”
…….
a sad state to be in…
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
12:28 pm
“Searching the New Testament, I find no place Jesus urged the possession of weapons by his followers”
Didn’t search very hard did you?
“He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.”
—Gospel of Luke 22:36-38, NIV
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Captalists..
July 22nd, 2012
12:29 pm
SoCoBro: Just think of it as her laying hands on somebody.
Eeeewwww!!! That’s it SoCo — I’m calling my lawyer!!! Expect a call soon! Eeeewwwwww!!!
Frog: Thanks. I looked for it near
where he urged his non
followers to be smartasses.
Oh that verse is in EXODUS! It goes like this;, “Thou arst a non believer and shall perish if thou does noteth becometh a smart asseth”.
getalife: How about mandated insurance on gun purchases?
Now that’s really a good idea. All kidding aside, that would halt the sale of a LOT of guns with the quickness. If the sellers and the buyers have to carry insurance on their guns — it could be worded with something like “if this gun falls into the hands of a toddler, a teen, etc. and an accident befalls one or more people because of the gun falling into the hands of said minors — insured agrees to the consequences set forth in Ammendment 9 of this agreement”. Etc., Etc., etc……..
carlosgvv
July 22nd, 2012
12:33 pm
Doggone/GA – 12:10
In fact, cars could be made much safer. However, this would cost money. In order to keep costs the same, automakers would have to put much smaller engines in these cars. Also, the speed limit would have to be lowered to 55. While this would not bother me or many other motorists, the phallic folks, Big Business and politicians would strongly object.
I know you thought that 12:10 post was just hurtful satire aimed at me. Well, punky, the jokes on you. That post was actually mostly true.
Brosephus™
July 22nd, 2012
12:34 pm
DDR
You tossed that softball over the plate. I merely swung the bat and drove it over the fence.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Captalists..
July 22nd, 2012
12:34 pm
Not sure where or even if he urged his followers to be “smart asses”, but if this board is an indication, several fit that category as well as being dumb asses
OK if you’re new to the blog the first thing you have to get is a sense of humor.
The second thing is to find a way to buy a clue.
Brosephus™
July 22nd, 2012
12:35 pm
How about mandated insurance on gun purchases?
That will really get some people peeved. The idea of another individual mandate from the government.
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
12:35 pm
Insurance is a capitalist idea I stole from another blogger but it would add regulation to new gun purchases.
To get congress to act there must be corporate welfare and approval from the NRA.
Brosephus™
July 22nd, 2012
12:37 pm
The second thing is to find a way to buy a clue.
Can’t go wrong using Amazon.
http://tinyurl.com/comn6gq
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
12:38 pm
“I know you thought that 12:10 post was just hurtful satire aimed at me. Well, punky, the jokes on you. That post was actually mostly true”
The joke’s on YOU. It wasn’t meant to be satire.
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
12:40 pm
“That will really get some people peeved. The idea of another individual mandate from the government”
Sure, but insurance companies will LOVE it!
barking frog
July 22nd, 2012
12:40 pm
Treating guns exactly like
automobiles,legally, would
solve a lot of problems.
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
12:40 pm
Bro,
Instead of mandate, lets call it corporate welfare for the insurance companies to get the right on board
barking frog
July 22nd, 2012
12:43 pm
getalife
do you think there is a
difference between welfare
and stimulus ?
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
12:45 pm
“Treating guns exactly like automobiles,legally, would solve a lot of problems”
Since the numbers of people killed by guns is not that much less (in relations to the total population) of that killed by cars…I’d say they’re already pretty much the same.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Captalists..
July 22nd, 2012
12:45 pm
SoCoBro: You tossed that softball over the plate. I merely swung the bat and drove it over the fence.
You could’ve pretended NOT to see it SoCo! Jeesh, out of christian charity, you could’ve at least pretended!!! Now, because of you (and her), I’ll probably be sick the rest of the day!
getalife: To get congress to act there must be corporate welfare and approval from the NRA.
yeah — but I bet, with all the great minds on this blog, seriuosly, we could come up with something and then send it to each of our local congressman. Who will then either hate it, ignore it, or take our ideas and claim it for their own.
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm
frog,
No but what would our economy look like without any government spending?
I think we would be in a depression like Greece.
Erwin's cat
July 22nd, 2012
12:48 pm
what the heck would mandated insurance do?…what would it cover?
Brosephus™
July 22nd, 2012
12:48 pm
getalife
That will do it!!!
—————————–
DDR
My bad… I’ve had nothing but jokes after reading that headline. I’m just glad I wasn’t listening to the radio that day. I probably would have gotten in trouble for calling in questions.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists..
July 22nd, 2012
12:49 pm
getalife
do you think there is a
difference between welfare
and stimulus ?
BF – great question!! I mean when you really think about it, there’s not that much difference. both are intended to be a “short term solution” and yet both have people/entities who wish to take something short term and turn it into something long term.
barking frog
July 22nd, 2012
12:50 pm
doggone/ga
Guns are not titled, licensed,
or insured by law.
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
12:50 pm
“what the heck would mandated insurance do?…what would it cover?”
It would cover the gun. Just as car insurance covers the car. One way it could work is that if the gun is used to commit a crime, and the owner of record is not involved then the insurance would kick in to cover the damages.
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
12:50 pm
“Who will then either hate it, ignore it, or take our ideas and claim it for their own.”
My local rep. has a office a block up the street.
jindal hates him so he is okay with me.
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
12:52 pm
“Guns are not titled, licensed, or insured by law”
Ummmm…that’s what we’re discussing. Having trouble keeping up, maybe?
barking frog
July 22nd, 2012
12:52 pm
getalife
corporate welfare is a good
thing then?
Erwin's cat
July 22nd, 2012
12:56 pm
so if the shooter in CO was using a borrowed legal and insured weapon…it would cover what?
are we really worried about associated costs?
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
12:56 pm
frog,
Cutting spending after a collapse will give you a depression.
Spending after a collapse will give you growth.
barking frog
July 22nd, 2012
12:59 pm
doggone/ga
“Since the numbers of people
killed by guns is not that
much less (in relations to the
total population) of that
killed by cars…I’d say they’re
already pretty much the
same.”
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
12:52 pm
“Guns are not titled, licensed,
or insured by law”
Ummmm…that’s what we’re
discussing. Having trouble
keeping up, maybe?
…….
the inconsistency of those
two statements reveal who
has a problem with keeping
up.
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
1:00 pm
“are we really worried about associated costs?”
Certainly we are. To be blunt, there are court costs, funeral costs, hospital costs, the costs of police work. There’s a LOT of cost to a crime…any crime.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists..
July 22nd, 2012
1:01 pm
My bad… I’ve had nothing but jokes after reading that headline.
Jokes was the LASTTHINGONMYMINDWHENISAWTHATCRAP! I mean, honestly, have you ever seen a picture of Bynum? She looks like “The Incredible Plastic Woman”. It’s like everything on her is fake. From her skin to her fingernails!
http://photos.essence.com/galleries/juanita_bynums_50th_birthday#!95412
I’m just glad I wasn’t listening to the radio that day. I probably would have gotten in trouble for calling in questions
I would’ve smashed my car into a telephone pole if I would’ve heard that crap!! Thank God i was listening to Bortz — he doesn’t even shock me anymore; but THAT HOT MESS would’ve made me hysterical.
Erwin's cat
July 22nd, 2012
1:06 pm
unbelievable …. and here I thought the needless loss of life was the issue….but it’s really the associated court costs etc….what problem are you trying to solve?
barking frog
July 22nd, 2012
1:06 pm
getalife
so corp welfare/stimulus
is only good when the
economy is receded/depressed ? no preventive
measures?
Rightwing Troll
July 22nd, 2012
1:06 pm
I’m sure the wingnuts have wet dreams about pulling their piece and killing this Colorado nut and saving the day… they’re feeling all Mel Gibson but looking more like Barney Fife… the reality of the situation is they’d of probably shoot themselves in the foot trying to pull it, missed with a couple of shots and ended up as dead as the other victims… it ain’t like in the movies, and in the heat of the moment control is elusive, especially to someone who’s wearing a piece as a penis extension and has no formal training. For the wingNUTS to prognosticate that if they or one of their ilk had simply been there, armed, this would’ve been prevented, is just another wingNUT fantasy…
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
1:08 pm
“unbelievable …. and here I thought the needless loss of life was the issue….but it’s really the associated court costs etc….what problem are you trying to solve?”
Of course it’s the issue, but neither the shooter nor the gun has to deal with the results. Those who survived do. If you don’t think insurance should cover the costs…what DO you think it should cover?
What problem? I’m not trying to solve any problem. I’ve already indicated that we can’t stop such things from happening. But we STILL must deal with the aftermath, and the aftermath costs money.
TaxPayer
July 22nd, 2012
1:13 pm
The Apostles, John, Paul, George and Ringo say “Let it Be.”
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
1:14 pm
frog,
I think avoiding another collapse should be a national security issue and we should focus on it like we focused on crushing aq.
There is some low hanging fruit to cut like big oil welfare and military spending but the gop will vote no.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists..
July 22nd, 2012
1:14 pm
so if the shooter in CO was using a borrowed legal and insured weapon…it would cover what?
Let’s take it one step at a time. First let’s say the CO shooter bought his gun from a gunshow. First the gunshow person would have to have the gun insured. He would not sell the gun until the buyer has insurance in place releaseing the seller of all indemnity concerning the gun, (like a car dealer).
The buyer would have insurance — his coverage would be more detailed than the guy at the gunshow. The buyers would cover special provisions if the gun was lost or stolen. Let’s say if the gun is lost, the buyer must report it to the police within 12 hours of noticing its lost. If not, anything that transpires with that gun, if illegal OR legal, the buyer will be held totally responsible for all injuries or activities incurred with said gun.
If stolen, the buyer has 6 hours to report the theft to police; if not, the same penalties as before.
Ok here’s the big question – Why would the NRA go for this?
Any takers on that one?
Erwin's cat
July 22nd, 2012
1:16 pm
Dog – I think the shooter will deal with the results on this one…..
In the scenario you describe, nobody in CO would benefit from the insurance because the legal owner committed the crime….so again, what are you misguidedly trying to accomplish with this gun insurance mandate??
Brosephus™
July 22nd, 2012
1:20 pm
DDR
I’ve seen Bynum, not in the same manner as others have, but yeah, she looks like she’s had a procedure or two. I’ve seen/heard enough that nothing surprises me anymore. Instead, news like that usually leads me to “open mic night at the Chuckle House” type thoughts and jokes nowadays. I guess it’s my coping mechanism or something.
carlosgvv
July 22nd, 2012
1:21 pm
Doggone/GA – 12:38
Very well. I stand corrected.
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
1:23 pm
“so again, what are you misguidedly trying to accomplish with this gun insurance mandate??”
I envision a form of insurance that works like this: If the gun is used in a crime, then the insurance will kick in. And the value to lawabiding citizens in having such insurance is that if the gun is stolen, it is their insurance that will pay and the victims cannot come back on the legal owner for costs.
Erwin's cat
July 22nd, 2012
1:24 pm
DDR – so i report the stolen gun 7 hrs after I notice then a year from now someone commits a crime with the now 1 yr and 7hr stolen weapon and the previously once legal owner of the gun (me) is liable?
try again
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
1:25 pm
That was some good golf.
Els comes from behind and wins it.
Going Going Gone
July 22nd, 2012
1:25 pm
“it is their insurance that will pay and the victims cannot come back on the legal owner for costs.”
So what are those avg costs at this time that come back to the legal owner?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 22nd, 2012
1:26 pm
barking frog:
Good afternoon.
“0311
Following up on our discussion, do you agree
that the SCOTUS has ruled
that state governments can
ban all guns except black
powder guns in common
use at the timethe 2nd
amendment was passed.”
Nope. That’s not what they ruled. You haven’t read the ruling or you wouldn’t even have come up with that.
The Second Amendment doesn’t retrict firearms to black powder and flintlocks any more than the First Amendment restricts a free press to ink, quills and lead type.
You’re starting to weary me a little ………………..
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists..
July 22nd, 2012
1:30 pm
EC: nobody in CO would benefit from the insurance because the legal owner committed the crime….
Yes they will if the insurance is modeled after car insurance. If the legal owner of the car was involved in a drunk driving incident that caused the passenger in another car to be harmed — the person in the other car can sue the driver’s insurance company for damages.
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
1:30 pm
“So what are those avg costs at this time that come back to the legal owner”
Hon, what we are discussing is alternatives to gun control. Even if the costs are…at present…nothing, all it takes is one lawsuit won by victims against the legal owner of a gun, and all restraints will be off. Heck, you can already sue the owner of a bar if someone leaves their establisment drunk and causes an accident.
Going Going Gone
July 22nd, 2012
1:35 pm
Doggone
So we are going to mandate insurance to negate costs even though we do not not know the costs?
That is deep, HON.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists..
July 22nd, 2012
1:36 pm
RT: For the wingNUTS to prognosticate that if they or one of their ilk had simply been there, armed, this would’ve been prevented, is just another wingNUT fantasy…
Yeah, that’s the part that makes me laugh too. If you have 10 guys running around with weapons, how does the police, (who were called immediately when the shooting began), know who is the good guy and who isn’t? How do the various “shooters” know who is the bad guy and who isn’t? It would be like a reenactment of the Gunfight at the OK Corral.
EC: DDR – so i report the stolen gun 7 hrs after I notice then a year from now someone commits a crime with the now 1 yr and 7hr stolen weapon and the previously once legal owner of the gun (me) is liable?
No — if you report your car stolen and someone commits a crime with it, are you liable then? Of course not. Grow up.
Erwin's cat
July 22nd, 2012
1:37 pm
DDR – that is not what was proposed before, but still a tremendously bad idea…
gee, why not mandate insurance for bricks in your yard or on your house in case someone picks it up and throws it thru a window or beats someone else to death with it
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
1:37 pm
“So we are going to mandate insurance to negate costs even though we do not not know the costs?”
You didn’t ask for costs, you asked for cost to the GUN OWNER. We do know the COSTS.
Going Going Gone
July 22nd, 2012
1:38 pm
Doggone
So what numbers will the actuaries work from to come up with the rates?
Doggone/GA
July 22nd, 2012
1:38 pm
Damn computer!
“So we are going to mandate insurance to negate costs even though we do not not know the costs?”
You didn’t ask for costs, you asked for costs to the GUN OWNER. We do know the costs: the cost in death, injury and police costs.