Time to put on those travelin’ shoes and go a-fishin’
The first time I saw the great Elvin Bishop, we were both younger men. It was back in the early ’70s, in Raleigh, N.C., right about the time he put out his excellent and underrated album “Let It Flow.” Looking through the song list from that album — “Travelin’ Shoes,” “Stealin’ Watermelons” — is like going back in time.
That album also included Elvin’s classic celebration of fishing, the aptly titled “Fishin’.” It’s a critically important theme, so important that Mr. Bishop felt obligated to revisit it at more length in a later song, the equally aptly titled “Gone Fishin’ Again,” as in “me and my no-good friends are gone fishin’ again.”
Which of course we are. See ya’ll back here in a couple of weeks. Be good, be cool and be wishin’ you were with us, ‘cuz we plan on having us a damn good time.
– Jay Bookman
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Brosephus™
July 26th, 2012
6:19 pm
Fred @ 6:12
Amen
July 26th, 2012
6:19 pm
“And Dusty was just a ditzy broad without enough sense to pour urine out of a boot if the directions were on the heel.”
BINGO
Fred ™
July 26th, 2012
6:19 pm
Brocephus: Who was Andy?
josef
July 26th, 2012
6:21 pm
Why did the Blue Nose snag this one… is it the at at?
FRED
That was funny! And, yes, I do!
As for Sister Dusty, I’ll say this for her, she knows her literature…gotta hand it to somebody who can quote from memory what she can…
And (at at?) She stood up for me when I wasn’t here and I’m loyal to those who are loyal to me…
Fred ™
July 26th, 2012
6:21 pm
Brocephus: I know I should have showed restraint but I couldn’t let that one pass………
josef
July 26th, 2012
6:22 pm
DANG! That was it! The IMAM must REALLY have it in for her!
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
6:23 pm
josef,
Then you and I may have to respectfully disagree. Not saying for sure doggone is one of them but I think I’ve seen her say a few things about the bible that I would have to disagree with her on. I could be wrong though and maybe it wasn’t or isn’t her that I’m thinking of. Regardless though I’ve seen a few libs on here try to change the bible around to fit what they think the bible says and if someone disagrees with them than that person is hateful or mean spirited or whatever. Seems scout is the most frequent target of this since he has a stricter interpretation of the Bible.
Old Goober
July 26th, 2012
6:25 pm
Well wasn’t two boobs either shacked up with or married to RW?
Nope. It was Midori who used to be married to RW. Double-whatever is married to the IT engineer who’s apparently considerably older than she. And I seem to recall that Dusty was booted off after repeated warnings from Jay. When she showed back up on the Bookman blog a few days ago, Jay deleted her post and put her back on the banned list. She didn’t self-immolate.
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2012
6:28 pm
“I think ya’ll go overboard and it often turns into ridicule of what someone believes vs your definitions of interpretations of what you think religion- Christianity in particular should be”
I’ll make the same sort of challenge that others have made: when you see ME posting ANYTHING that amounts to ridicule of someone’s religion you let me know. Because I can safely say that I DO NOT do that. I will tell you how I view religion, and how my view shapes my own attitudes. I do not EVER tell someone else what they should think or do that relates to their religion.
I will – however – criticize someone who can only give religious reasons for what is a purely social situation. Such as gay marriage and abortion. It is always interesting to have a discussion on either of those and see how quickly religion enters the discussion.
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
6:29 pm
Fred,
Oh no you didn’t @ 6:19. And I thought I was bad for relating a story to TBS about a couple of Hooters waitresses. You vay wee bad.
josef
July 26th, 2012
6:29 pm
THULSA
Doggone and I have our disagreements on matters of religion/faith, but in our discussions, she has always been highly respectful of the differences in interpretation and has been informed in her presentation of her interpretations and not at all out to change or condemn mine. I’ve learned a lot from her and am grateful for the opportunity to exchange perspectives. She’s far, far from didactic and/or narrow minded there…
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2012
6:30 pm
“On that subject you can have a real discussion with her. She’s tops in my book there”
Thanks Josef!
Fred ™
July 26th, 2012
6:30 pm
LOL My earlier comment explaining to you josef what the internet symbols are has now gone into moderation. I guess I “offended” someone lol.
Fred ™
July 26th, 2012
6:32 pm
Doomy: You mean the symbols post? That was @ 6:25 lol. Notice I say WAS, look for it now…….
They BOTH suck
July 26th, 2012
6:32 pm
TD
When someone uses their religion as a sword as it is done at times on this blog, they should expect for someone to come back at them.
Plain and simple, regardless if it is a strict or more liberal “interpretation” of the Bible itself or passage in question.
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2012
6:33 pm
“but I think I’ve seen her say a few things about the bible that I would have to disagree with her on”
Of course you have. The bible is ambiguous enough in places to leave room for disagreement. If it wasn’t there wouldn’t be so many Christian sects in the world. If we all agreed on what it says we’d all be the same religion.
G Mare
July 26th, 2012
6:34 pm
Josef, how many of those g&ts have gone down that funnel?!??
Not a problem for me as I (as Doomy says) do like me some Chardonnay.
Here’s a bit of a heartwarming story from Aurora that I saw on Reuters earlier. It was an update on the Medley family. The couple went to see the movie as a “last night out together before the baby was born – she was 9 months pregnant. She was not hurt but her 23 yr old husband was seriously injured and is in a medically induced coma. The baby was born, I think Tuesday, a healthy boy. Here’s the cool part: a friend put their story online & included the fact that they have no medical insurance. Donations are pouring in! Yeah, we can argue about CFA, religion, the latest gaffes by whichever campaign, gun control from pro & anti, BUT this story says who we are – caring human beings who are willing to pull together, to be there for each other. This is a major smiley face, no matter your politics or religion.
Y’all know I haven’t figured out how to post links, so just google Medley family.
:
Old Goober
July 26th, 2012
6:36 pm
My earlier comment explaining to you josef what the internet symbols are has now gone into moderation. I guess I “offended” someone lol.
It wasn’t offending somebody that got you caught by the Blue Nose. I know, because I used the two “at” symbols together and got caught too a couple of weeks ago. Quite literally, the Blue Nose has been programmed to regard those two symbols together as obscenity. You can use one of the symbols, but not both together. When Jay bans somebody, it’s a total obliteration.
Fred ™
July 26th, 2012
6:36 pm
Kam: Did you check out the Wimmins whoopin’ hell out of France yesterday? (or any of the other games?)
The men were today, still going I think.
You can watch EVERY EVENT here: http://www.nbcolympics.com/liveextra/index.html
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
6:37 pm
“I will – however – criticize someone who can only give religious reasons for what is a purely social situation. Such as gay marriage and abortion.’
Well doggone that’s pretty much what I’m talking about. To say that some people like Scout oppose gay marriage for example on pure social grounds is baloney. Scout and others will quote several biblical scriptures that deal explicitly with homosexuality.
Now you can feel free to disagree with him all day long on biblical interpretation all you want. But don’t say that someone like Scout opposes gay marriage because of social views when there is clear and ample evidence that the bible speaks on homosexuality whether you agree with what it says or doesn’t say on homosexuality. That is irrelevant to my point which again is that Scout, recon, and others formulate their beliefs on gay marriage based on scripture- not on social views as you assert.
They BOTH suck
July 26th, 2012
6:38 pm
TD
One thing to reference the Bible another to use it as sword and basically say take it up with God, I didn’t write it, I just adhere to it.
Sorry dude. That is bs and it gets done here.
But as I mentioned earlier today, yes some bloggers go too far at times in their ridicule of Christianity. Maybe we need a few Muslims, Buddhists, etc. A little more variety so the “love” can be spread around by the equal opportunity discriminators.
carlosgvv
July 26th, 2012
6:38 pm
barking frog
It’s a name and two initals
josef
July 26th, 2012
6:38 pm
DOGGONE
You’re more than welcome. And I meant it from the bottom of my heart and soul. I cherish our discussions on that subject. It’s a blessing, if I may use that word, to have a discussion with someone of faith who is not bound by narrow doctrine and who can look at it from the perspective of the universalism of it all.
Fred ™
July 26th, 2012
6:38 pm
Here’s your link G-mare:
http://tinyurl.com/ccwrnpe
Fred ™
July 26th, 2012
6:40 pm
Old Goober: The post posted and was there for a good couple of minutes before it went into moderation lol.
Fred ™
July 26th, 2012
6:41 pm
Old Goober: I hit enter too soon: The auto snagger snags posts immediately. They don’t show up as regular posts like this one did.
barking frog
July 26th, 2012
6:41 pm
carlosgvv
o.k. i thought it was one
word.
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2012
6:42 pm
“To say that some people like Scout oppose gay marriage for example on pure social grounds is baloney.”
But I haven’t said that. I said that Scout, for example, opposes a SOCIAL situation on purely RELIGIOUS grounds. I don’t argue with him about what the Bible says, I argue with him on whether it should matter to society at large. In other words, are we justified in banning a social situation on religious grounds. Our Constitution says no.
TaxPayer
July 26th, 2012
6:42 pm
Well I think we all deserve a healthy round of applause for forcing Jay to finally admit that he was looking forward to two weeks of damn fun away from the likes of us. That is what he said, isn’t it.
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2012
6:44 pm
“It’s a blessing, if I may use that word, to have a discussion with someone of faith who is not bound by narrow doctrine and who can look at it from the perspective of the universalism of it all.”
I lay the credit for a lot of that at the feet of John Dominc Crossan. I started reading his books to try to get a feeling for what the words of Jesus meant at his time, and to the people of his time and I found that some of them most certainly rang very differently to them than they do to us.
josef
July 26th, 2012
6:44 pm
GMARE
Oh, you can tell when it’s vino night with me! I get feisty…
And thanks for the heartwarming story…yep, that’s who we are at our finest and it’s why I refuse to become a pessimist…
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
6:47 pm
Poor ol’ Wingnut: can’t even break 300 posts with an “inflammatory” thread like the “Chick-Fil-A saga.” Well, I guess if all you got is a bunch of cast-offs and nut-cases, that’s the best you can expect.
G Mare
July 26th, 2012
6:51 pm
Thanks very much, Fred. I hope all here read it. This is really important!! In my opinion, we NEED stories like this; we NEED stories to bring us TOGETHER.
TaxPayer
July 26th, 2012
6:52 pm
I just consider most of the conservative bloggers at Kyle’s as boycotters of Jay’s beliefs and that’s their right.
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
6:53 pm
Doggone,
Well then I misunderstood what you were saying. But in reading what you really meant it looks to me like you’re calling some things like abortion and gay marriage “social situations” as opposed to moral questions. And let’s not forget that a lot of law governing “social situations” and morality in general is based on religion. And whether we like it or not religion does play a role in what society deems as moral or immoral- including some of these “social situations”. Its always been that way and there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be that way.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 26th, 2012
6:54 pm
Fred
No I missed the U.S. women’s game live but I saw much of the highlights with snarky commentary by Kate Markgraf and Angela Hucles today.
I did watch three mens games today — Japan upset Spain, Gabon and the Swiss tied, and The Samba Boys almost let Egypt steal a point.
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
6:54 pm
Tiberius (can’t say his former nom de blogue) with all of his foot-stomping bluster, managed only to get the blog shut down at 7:00 every evening when Kyle goes home (or quits work).
What a dumbass!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 26th, 2012
6:59 pm
Headline: “Top Immigration Officials Describe Border Chaos Resulting From Admin’s Amnesty Policy”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb2_3R6oHSQ
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2012
7:00 pm
“But in reading what you really meant it looks to me like you’re calling some things like abortion and gay marriage “social situations” as opposed to moral questions.”
But many, many things that are labeled “moral” are, in fact, purely social. In some societies it is “immoral” for men to shave their beards. In some societies it is “immoral” for people to be naked outside the privacy of their homes. Yet in other societies shaving and nudity raise no eyebrows at all.
My own opinion is that the “immorality” of ANYTHING should be judged on the harm it does to others, primarily, and to some extent our selves. Shaving or not shaving does no harm to either the man or any other man…*I* judge it to be a social standard, not a moral one. Same with nudity. Same with gay marriage. It hurts no person outside the relationship and it does not hurt those withing the relationship, *I* judge it be a social subject and not a moral one.
” And let’s not forget that a lot of law governing “social situations” and morality in general is based on religion.”
Actually, I see it the other way around. That in most cases religion demands the control of what are…essentially…social standards.
” And whether we like it or not religion does play a role in what society deems as moral or immoral- including some of these “social situations”. Its always been that way and there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be that way.”
And there’s very little to no reason why it should stay that way JUST because it’s “always been that way.” If we lived by that code we’d still be living in caves and hunting with rocks.
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
7:05 pm
Scout: the unemployment rate in Mexico is far lower than it is in this country. You never even see an “illegal” standing on the corner waiting for work any more. I think your post is “much ado about nothing.” They’ve all gone home. There’s no work anymore. Just like there’s no work for Americans any more.
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
7:12 pm
Doggone,
I see what you’re saying now. Can’t say I fully agree with you although those are some good points- particularly on shaving. And you explained it very well and that is greatly appreciated.
“because it’s “always been that way.” That’s a weak argument I know. I should have ended it with “its always been that way for a number of reasons”- too much to go into given the confines of our little blog.”
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
7:12 pm
Tiberius @ 7:06: “Prepare for the gates to shut down on the Wingfield blog . . . .! “
Wingnut @ 7:07: “Right you are, Tiberius. Commenting’s in moderation until tomorrow morning.”
Is that stupid or what? All because of one little t*tty baby.
TaxPayer
July 26th, 2012
7:17 pm
A Planned Parenthood clinic in Durham, N.C., was awarded a $426,000 Title X grant on Wednesday, just weeks after the state legislature overrode Gov. Bev Perdue’s (D) veto and cut $343,000 in state money from the provider’s budget. Anti-abortion lawmakers and advocacy groups are furious that the Department of Health and Human Services seems to have circumvented state legislatures to continue funding an organization they oppose.
The GOP’s War against Women suffers another setback.
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2012
7:17 pm
That’s a weak argument I know. I should have ended it with “its always been that way for a number of reasons”- too much to go into given the confines of our little blog.”
I don’t know that it’s that difficult. We are a cooperative group of creatures. Over time and experience certain things have been judged to be detrimental to the cooperativeness and therefore to our continued existence. Those things are judged “immoral” for very good reasons. The problem comes in when that concept if “immorality” is applied to things that do NOT harm our ability to cooperate for our survival.
Erwin's cat
July 26th, 2012
7:18 pm
Gossipsayer…who cares
no offense, but that’s your drama
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
7:19 pm
Best Mike ever!
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
7:20 pm
I still can’t believe Japan upset Spain. I just watched Spain a few weeks ago smash Italy in the European finals. I know japan has gotten better and is not that bad but I just couldn’t imagine them beating Spain. Anyone know if the olympic team is essentially the same as the national team. I was guessing that they are but wasn’t totally sure.
G Mare
July 26th, 2012
7:21 pm
Josef, feisty? You sometimes a bad wittle boy. Sorry, you know, card carrying NOW
Recon 0311 2533
July 26th, 2012
7:21 pm
Comments are evidently shut down on Kyle’s blog.
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
7:23 pm
“I still can’t believe Japan upset Spain.”
No offense, Doomy, but soccer is like watching paint dry. And they say golf is slow.
Erwin's cat
July 26th, 2012
7:24 pm
Can’t help ya Doom…I don’t follow Irish step dancing with a ball thrown in
…I do watch it more often then not, especially when overseas, that and motorcycle racing…and enjoy it, but don’t follow
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 26th, 2012
7:25 pm
Anyone know if the olympic team is essentially the same as the national team.
On the women’s side, yes.
On the men’s side, it is the U-23 (under 23 years old) team with the option to take 3 members from the full national team.
Recon 0311 2533
July 26th, 2012
7:25 pm
The GOP’s war against woman what a pathetic joke that the Democrats didn’t see go anywhere. American woman, well most are smarter than to believe left wing stupidity.
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2012
7:26 pm
“No offense, Doomy, but soccer is like watching paint dry. And they say golf is slow”
Amen to that!
Erwin's cat
July 26th, 2012
7:26 pm
oh 3451st
G Mare
July 26th, 2012
7:27 pm
Sorry, hit some wrong thingie. Card carrying NOW member that I am, I just couldn’t let it pass. Trust that you know I love you anyway.
DRINK ON. We are, or should be, having fun here.
G&T is a kind of wine? Hmmm.
josef
July 26th, 2012
7:27 pm
Doggone
I wish I could remember where I read it the other day. but it was relative to same sex union. It seems that for an extended period of time that the Catholic Church had in place a ceremony recognizing such, but came down full tilt boogie following the Black Plague when repopulation was critical. It is also interesting to note that this tends to be the case when such is felt necessary.
I’ve been researching sexual attitudes during the pre Wah-uh South. It turns out that society was much more open at the time than we would think. The “crack down” came during the Reconstruction period when repopulation was a critical issue. A similar change was exhibited among Jews following WWII. Now that it’s no at issue so much, the attitudes have relaxed there.
It seems that “hysteria,” in it’s true meaning is an element of the DNA, if you will, that operates above and beyond the purely sociological.
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
7:27 pm
“The problem comes in when that concept if “immorality” is applied to things that do NOT harm our ability to cooperate for our survival.”
Doggone,
I’ll have to brush up on my philosophy but your points seem to come from more of a utilitarian moral construct or possibly hedonistic where the ultimate benefit is what derives the most pleasure, good, or the most benefit for all. And of course that’s widely misunderstood given our penchant for the modern day meaning.
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
7:29 pm
josef, this one’s just for you!
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
7:31 pm
josef; is it just me or is anyone ay-ulse wah-um?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 26th, 2012
7:32 pm
13 soldiers killed this week.
Any half staff flags for them or is Afghanistan not a swing state ?
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2012
7:32 pm
“Now that it’s no at issue so much, the attitudes have relaxed there. ”
One of the things that coalesced my opinion of “gay marriage” was the injunctions in the Bible that are used to judge homesexualtiy “immoral” When you study history, in particular the history of sexual attitudes among the Romans at the time…it starts to be come clear that a LOT of the biblical attitudes were because sex was an expression of power among upper class Roman men. And that owning male slaves for sex was one of those expressions of power.
There’s pretty much an unspoken “don’t do like the Roman oppressors do” and engage in same sex relations. And along the way that – possibly – spoken prefix became unspoken, and ultimately – forgotten.
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
7:34 pm
“Any half staff flags for them or is Afghanistan not a swing state?”
Not only are there no flags at half-staff, but you won’t see any mention of it on the MSM. Better not to engender populist angst about our perpetual war economy/extraction/country.
josef
July 26th, 2012
7:35 pm
SOOTH
GMARE
G&T, Gin and Tonic…
And not to worry, NOW card carrying member, just put it down to my love of plays with the language!
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
7:36 pm
“I’ve been researching sexual attitudes during the pre Wah-uh South. It turns out that society was much more open at the time than we would think.”
I’ve been doing some reading also as I told you on cultures, migrations, etc. Some nasty observations on the southern culture that might offend you. Has nothing to do with homosexuality that I was reading but rather just some general observations from other historians that the southern cracker culture was prone to promiscuity and sexual permissiveness. The breeders were breeding I guess.
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
7:36 pm
josef: sugar-free tonic, I hope. Remember your teeth.
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2012
7:37 pm
“I’ll have to brush up on my philosophy but your points seem to come from more of a utilitarian moral construct or possibly hedonistic where the ultimate benefit is what derives the most pleasure, good, or the most benefit for all”
But the judgement of something as “hedonistic” is already firmly based on a judgement of a purely social behavior as immoral. It’s a circular argument. My use of what does or doesn’t HARM someone else has nothing to do with hedonism. Hedonism is pretty much not a “thing” of pleasure first, pleasure last. It is MY pleasure first, MY pleasure last…and contains within that attitude the likelyhood of harm to someone else who doesn’t share your pleasures.
josef
July 26th, 2012
7:37 pm
SOOTH
I don’t know…it’s just me quoting my Granny and her generation’s reference…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 26th, 2012
7:39 pm
Sooth:
Thank you.
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
7:40 pm
“Better not to engender populist angst about our perpetual war economy/extraction/country.”
Soothsayer,
Well we never agree on much but one thing we damn sure do agree on is the danger of the military industrial complex that Ike warned us about long ago.
G Mare
July 26th, 2012
7:41 pm
Yes, doggone, it seems many things were/have been forgotten along the way. Have you read the works of John Shelby Spong? I will not judge him right or wrong, but he does posit some interesting theories.
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
7:42 pm
Man pulled from Lake Lanier dies (AJC)
A man pulled from Lake Lanier on Thursday afternoon by Forsyth County rescue crews is dead, an official said.
The 44-year-old man disappeared in the water around 3 p.m. and was recovered within an hour, Forsyth fire spokesman Capt. Jason Shivers told the AJC. The man’s name was not immediately available.
Friends, if you couldn’t swim before you got to Lake Lanier, you probably can’t swim once you got there. Lake Lanier is not a place to learn to swim. Wear a life vest if you’re not a swimmer.
josef
July 26th, 2012
7:43 pm
THULSA
A lot of what I’ve been referencing decidedly comes from “unfriendly” sources relative to the socio-cultural milieu of the time and place and it seems to cut across all social classes. It seems that the attitude was pretty much the old Greek adage, “a woman for duty, a man for pleasure.”
SOOTH
Well, yes, it is sugar free (Unmentionable being diabetic) but no need to worry about the teeth…most of them are store bought, even if they are “fixed” :- )
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2012
7:44 pm
“Have you read the works of John Shelby Spong?”
No, sorry, I haven’t. I’ve never even heard of him.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 26th, 2012
7:45 pm
Arf ! Arf ! (I mean cluck, cluck !)
“As Chicago became the latest city to tell Chick-fil-A it isn’t welcome because its president doesn’t support gay marriage, legal experts said the communities don’t have a drumstick to stand on.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/26/politician-plan-to-block-chick-fil-is-unconstitutional-legal-experts-say/#ixzz21m8UyN7d
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
7:46 pm
Doggone,
No. That’s not what hedonism actually stands for- the pleasure of oneself. My learning of it was that it was widely misunderstood and when talking about pleasure its really talking about what brings about the greatest good or the greatest benefit for all. Its not supposed to mean what gives us the most fun or pleasure, etc. The meaning has just been terribly twisted over the years and especially in our century. But putting that aside since its irrelevant anyway are you basing your views on a utilitarian construct or what?
Recon 0311 2533
July 26th, 2012
7:47 pm
Often when I read some of the posted opinions and thoughts on here I think, what truly strange people but then I remind myself that this is a far-left blog. My opinions are probably strange to the left wing posters. We are indeed a divided country.
josef
July 26th, 2012
7:50 pm
SOOTH
Ooops…I just caught the wah-um! I read it as a typo first go ’round! And yes, Ahm wah-um! I used to have a friend from Michigan who said of folks down where Ah fro-um, that we were the only English speakers who could make a four syllable word out of a-uh-unh-duh (and)
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
7:53 pm
the old Greek adage, “a woman for duty, a man for pleasure.”
Speaking of old adages do you remember how that old Arab or middle eastern adage went?- Something like “a girl for the night, a boy for the day” or something like that. I can’t remember but its ingrained in middle eastern or Arabic culture and literature and was a reference to ingrained pedophilia, some homosexuality, man-boy relationships. I dunno. My history professor who had traveled widely in the Middle east had told us a couple of Arabic and middle eastern sayings that were kinda shocking to us at the time. There were a few of them regarding these topics that were as simple as “an apple a day keeps the doctor away” except that these were sexual sayings.
barking frog
July 26th, 2012
7:54 pm
Recon
were you ever issued an
H&R .22 as a sidearm?
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2012
7:54 pm
“But putting that aside since its irrelevant anyway are you basing your views on a utilitarian construct or what?”
I’ve already said what I base it on: what harms others. To me, the greater the harm to others…the greater the immorality, the sin, if you will. Loving sex between consenting partners is not (to me) immoral, rape is…because one is not harmful, the other is. And the sex of the partners doesn’t matter in either case. It is the harm, or lack of it, that determines the morality or immorality of the act – to me.
My understanding of utilitarianism is that it pretains to a “happiness”level. I have not, and do not, judge that. Happiness is for each person to decide, not society. But society CAN and must judge what is harmful to others and what is not. And that is what can, will, and must change over time. Slavery was not judged, by everyone, to be immoral in our past. It is now judged to be immoral by most of us. It is a standard of moralilty that has changed, because it is harmful to us as a cooperative society.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 26th, 2012
7:55 pm
Speaking of Michigan:
“Living in Georgia , I saw a bumper sticker on a
parked car that read………”I miss Detroit”
So, I broke the window, stole the radio and left a note that read…………..”I hope this helps.”
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
7:56 pm
josef: I confess that came from an ancient Georgia Power commercial long years ago. Amazing what you remember isn’t it?
Needless to say most of my family is from right here in good ol’ Jawja. Not to mention the folks who live around me now.
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
7:56 pm
Recon,
We get to talking bout some strange shyte on here dontcha know.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 26th, 2012
7:57 pm
Recon 0311 2533 :
“We did not become the men we are because we were Soldiers or Cops,
we became Soldiers and Cops because of the men we are.”
Author Unknown
Also known as: “Sheep, wolves and sheepdogs”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 26th, 2012
7:59 pm
http://www.rangerup.com/sheepdog.html
TaxPayer
July 26th, 2012
8:01 pm
scout admits to being a petty thief.
josef
July 26th, 2012
8:01 pm
THULSA
It’s, from what I’ve read, Persian…
The charge of pedophilia is a bit extreme…the relationships were not at all acceptable until the male had moved beyond the first stages of puberty (15 or so) Otherwise it was totally unacceptable.
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
8:02 pm
Well, I guess I’ll run along now. Here’s poignant song by Flatt & Scruggs. Like ol’ Bucky Fuller said: “you can’t go home again.”
Goodnight everyone. Be nice.
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
8:05 pm
“I’ve already said what I base it on: what harms others.”- Doggone
Okay. That tells me what I need to know. And I don’t mean that in a snarky way either. I kinda thought you may be going towards utilitilarianism based on the “happiness” level and premise that more people- gays for example would be happier if allowed to marry. Or that women who didn’t have to carry babies to term would be happier for a decision that would allow them to resume their lifestyle uninhibited by an unplanned pregnancy. Anyway we still will disagree on certain issues but at least I understand where you’re coming from.
josef
July 26th, 2012
8:07 pm
SOOTH
When I first moved to Jaw-juh there was a woman who did a lot of commercials using that accent who was absolutely marvellous..she did one for a furniture store I fell in love with
“She wuddn’t know uh Louis Quinze frum uh chintz cu-vuhd aw-runge cra-it!”
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2012
8:08 pm
“Or that women who didn’t have to carry babies to term would be happier for a decision that would allow them to resume their lifestyle uninhibited by an unplanned pregnancy. Anyway we still will disagree on certain issues but at least I understand where you’re coming from.”
Yes, we can still disagree…as I vehemently disagree with your characterization of women who choose to have an abortion. It smacks of MCP…and I do NOT mean that nicely.
Are YOU registered to vote?
July 26th, 2012
8:08 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP6Mcvgdrtg
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2012
8:11 pm
Or maybe it was Thomas Wolfe. Who knows?
barking frog
July 26th, 2012
8:13 pm
Sooth
Bucky Fuller would have
said you can go dome again.
Thulsa Doom
July 26th, 2012
8:14 pm
josef,
When I say man boy I should have clarified that from what I read it meant boys in their teens upward- not 5 or 10 year olds. Same with the girl statement- they meant teenaged and above girls.
Now the LA times had a 2 page article on the Taliban a decade or so and I believe it was before we even invaded. Anyway, in that exhaustive article many of the Taliban leaders and their senior men traveled with their teen boys- sometimes as young as 12 but often much older. These boys were their “companions” so to say. Strict cultural rules from what I remember that they should be careful not to physically “harm” their companions. It was pretty weird but in line with what professor had told me. I also have I forget the authors name I think its Khalid Hassan or something like that “The Kite Runner”. It details this in that book also as being a cultural trait.
TaxPayer
July 26th, 2012
8:14 pm
The bespectacled 61-year-old, once known as Bush’s Brain, left the White House five years ago. His patron was sinking in the polls, and Rove himself had barely escaped criminal indictment.
Karl Rove is Bush’s brain.
If he only had some straw… Toto, fetch him some straw.
josef
July 26th, 2012
8:15 pm
SOOTH
Wolfe? My favorite quote of his” “Our lives are haunted by a Georgia slattern because a British cutpurse went unhung.”
josef
July 26th, 2012
8:17 pm
THULSA
“Kite Runner…” Yes…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 26th, 2012
8:18 pm
…as I vehemently disagree with your characterization of women who choose to have an abortion.
No offense intended, but you shoulda seen that one coming. Mis-characterization just to pull your chain is his stock-in-trade.