A Plan B should TSPLOST fail? Realistically, I doubt it

Guess the bass fishing museum wasn’t so great eh?

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In a nutshell, yes. And I will vote no because I have no faith in our state leaders. We, the electorate have created a monster that does not understand how to govern. We will have to live with it until the wheel turns.

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Plan B: Toll booths everywhere that 65 mph turns into 55 mph and use that money to improve intown infrastructure under a single agency that combines MARTA, GRTA, and ARC.

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To be honest, outsiders shouldn’t have that faith. I’ve been in the city for 17 years and don’t hold much hope that our elected officials will act in our best interests. It is in my personal best interests to be where I am – professionally and personally – but if I were elsewhere and looking to move, Atlanta wouldn’t be an attractive option to me knowing what I know now.

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“I doubt it”

Me too

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“And while Gov. Nathan Deal’s announcement this week that he would end the extended tolls at the end of 2013 explicitly acknowledges the damage done by Perdue’s move, it may have come too late.”

exactly – a friend of mine posted that on FB last night and I could only think that it was too little too late …

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In the end, though, the failure will be our own. This will be the first time in the history of the Atlanta region that it has the chance to actually debate, vote and act as a region.

Is that including MARTA back in the 1970’s? The region was smaller then, but was that not the same thing as today? The bill sucks. The Georgia Assembly sucks. If the GA Assembly would not do their jobs they campaigned for and were elected to do, why should they even hold office. I would vote yes for the T-SPLOST if that yes vote also counted towards a recall of the entire Assembly.

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Some people here won’t get the sarcasm.

They’re too busy spiking the ball over their presumed upcoming “win.”

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Jm – 8:00 – word.

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It matters not that regional planning starts off with the wrong premise. “Growth” is not the be-all-to-end-all. If planners paid more attention to quality of life, area resources (ie: water), etc., then growth might be managed properly. Unfortunately if some unnamed company told politicians in Sandy Springs that they were going to open a factory and hire 5,000 people locally, the state and local politicians would fall all over themselves to make it happen. When developers bulldoze 5 older residences and build apartments to house 1,000 then there are consequences (traffic, water, sewage, schools, parks & recreation, police, etc.). This has occurred repeatedly here in Georgia and nothing has been learned….except that developers always get their way because the politicians are in their pockets. Another reason why Georgia banks collapsed like dominoes for the past 4 years.

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I support the Tsplost but to think it will solve Atlanta traffic is a bit overly optimistic, IMO.

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Godless, it won’t solve it alone. It will be step one.

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…and no, I don’t think it will pass, although I’m early-voting for it, myself.

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You get what you vote for, and deserve what you get. Instead of blaming “our leaders,” which is a cop out, how about looking in the mirror, and asking what your parents and grandparents had that you ain’t got?

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If the people don’t show their desire to fix traffic, why should politicians care?

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Godless, it won’t solve it alone. It will be step one.

I don’t think the plan, as it stands now, even counts as a step. The idea is a step in the right place, but the plan sucks.

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Years and years of “government is the problem”, “govt does not create jobs”, “govt needs to get out of the way” and suddenly when it is clear that govt is needed to solve some issues and to create jobs, the conned wonder why they might have problems with even this lame attempt to fix our transportation system and opening the minds they have worked so hard to close…..

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Still voting no and actually the more vitriol I hear from Deal and others the more firmly I know that NO is the right answer. Jm-I really think you are a “developer” standing to montarily gain from this. You promote this a bit too much. Just stop.

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You’ve been handed the keys to your own transportation future.

If you vote no, I guess you’re the kid too scared to put the keys in the ignition and leave your driveway.

Chicken, that’s what no voters are.

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“You people” that don’t have a job, shouldn’t drive during rush hour.

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Vote Yes on TSPLOST for a somewhat less sucky future.

Hey, a little honesty goes a long way.

gotta run. Later, gators.

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The cat

I live in FL dude. And I’ve had the pleasure down here of doing something other than parking on a freeway.

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Jm-
Voting “no” for a bill that doesn’t fix the problem doesn’t mean we don’t care…

I was upset to see the map of future projects lists major intersections (285/400, 285/20) as having a starting date of 2020

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Did everyone hear about the Limbaugh induced bulletproof vest wearing shoot-em-up in Colorado?

Oh, my bad. It’s probably just another “isolated incident” perpetuated by another “lone gunman” who was “just crazy.”

MoveAlong.com, nothing to see here….

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“If the GA Assembly would not do their jobs they campaigned for and were elected to do, why should they even hold office”

I thought not raising taxes was part of their campaign.

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This is one time I agree with Jm, if we don’t pass this then we’ll never have a chance at getting anything done. There won’t be a politican for another generation willing to stick their neck out for a transportation bill. This is like watching sausage being made, it ain’t pretty but when you’re done it is better.

Oh – JKL2 – SERIOUSLY! Just a few posts into a local issue and you inject Obama into this? You are one sick dude.

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If you live in Florida why the heck do you care so much about Tsplost? You must stand to benefit in some manner.

Some people can’t comprehend that others might actually give a $#!^. Your opinions must always be couched in self-interest, usually financial.

Classic projection.

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Some people can’t comprehend that others might actually give a $#!^. Your opinions must always be couched in self-interest, usually financial.

Always great to support a tax that you don’t pay.

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okay, peeps … off to the gym …

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Always great to support a tax that you don’t pay.

EXACTLY!

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Road building in Georgia is about economic development. Always has been, always will be.

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Maybe the Dude just didn’t like the movie.

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USinUK: I’m sure you’re right. I’m sure it’s just another crazy person with guns. Just another isolated incident. No connection to anything but craziness that we aren’t going to address with mental healthcare in this country. Move along…

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Yes. I have family and friends in Atlanta. Maybe one day I’d like to move back if Atlanta isn’t a hellhole.

Yeah, good greedy reasons to be in favor of tsplost.

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Adam: Where did you get the statement from Limbaugh?

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USinUK

Is the traffic where you are as bad as it is here? Are road improvement plans as chaotic as T-SPLOST?

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I thought not raising taxes was part of their campaign.

It might be part of the campaign, but that’s not part of the job. That’s ideology as opposed to governance.

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Jack, that 8:38 is asinine, even by your “standards”…

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Here’s another catch. If you increase the amount of traffic we can handle and word gets out that Atlanta traffic has become tolerable, you will see an increase in people moving to the area and guess what … we’re back asking for more money for more roads!

I say leave things that way they are and some will get fed up and move away … voila! … traffic problem solved w/o spending,

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I am voting no as the local and state governments have repeatedly shown that they are not good stewards of our tax dollars. More and more we have elected officials (and its our own fault) who are there to serve themselves and not their constituents. Once they have this money it will probably be a free-for-all as they find legal loopholes to divert this money to other areas that will be more self-serving. This is usual practice for our professional politicians. They write the laws to best serve themselves.

We do need to solve our transportation problems but this list of TSPLOST projects includes items that have no relationship to solving the problem–think new control tower at McCollum Field for example. The primary focus should be on building world class public transit system for the metropolitan area—one that gets us where we need to go in a reasonable amount of time. But there are too many local projects that will not really work to solve the problem. And there is way to much money at stake to trust to a group of policiticans operating under some of the most lax ethics laws/rules in the country.

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Republicans cannot be trusted. We have all seen it with Sonny and Ga 400. There is no way to hide that or excuse it. I have personally seen local politicians up here in NE Ga do the same. They do not deserve my trust and they will not get it. If they think we need higher taxes in order to pay for transportation needs, let them do their jobs and vote for it and enact it into law. Their cowardly acts will get them nowhere with me. But Republicans should definitely vote for TSPLOST. After all. It is a fair tax. A consumption tax, doncha know.

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“Most who oppose this T-SPLOST would also oppose any future tax increase for transportation.”
That is an incorrect assumption.

This list will do little to improve traffic. I do not care how much throughput is added to spaghetti junction or the 285/400 interchange, if 400N or 85N is a parking lot in the afternoon, no amount of $$$ thrown at it will make you get through it any easier.

Tons of wasted dollars to be spent in transit in this bill that will do little to increase ridership.

Street cars in Atlanta to nowhere (10% of the total budget)?!? really?

Fund real projects that will improve the highways like cloverleafs at exits instead of stupid traffic lights, and I will vote for it.
Boondoggle wastes of money like what is proposed, and NO.

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Aquagirl-you have been trying to pick a fight with someone all morning. The only tantrum pitching is done by you! Seriously-contribute something worthwhile to the discussion or go away.

I have seen too many pet projects (hello Go Fish) to trust any of our current crop of hand outstretched, money under the table politicians to assume anything will be different this time. Will vote NO!

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We give government MORE money and in turn get a la carte infrastructure that, at best, is “less sucky”? This includes toll extentions, unused commuter toll lanes, sports arenas we don’t need, cops with speed trap devices, traffic cameras, aquariums, pensions for yet more public officials, all while sewers crumble, crime spews, streets crack un-repaired. Public deciders earned their distrust over time. They have to live with it even if it means sitting in the traffic year after year with the rest of us. Want diminished congestion? Make things miserable enough….people will eventually leave and take their idling cars-going-nowhere with them. Maybe then we can build bike lanes, public lines to somewhere that can actually be rider-accessed, freight routes, a commensurate FUEL tax and not a sales tax, sane traffic and parking systems. More thoughtful planning, less cracked concrete to accommodate yet more gas-fired cars, more people, more inevitable taxation.

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Brosephus @ 7:56 is right. MARTA was a region-wide initiative, but Cobb, Clayton and Gwinnett (3/5 of “metro Atlanta” at the time) refused — which was the start of the mess we’re in today. Now we have a lame referendum that doesn’t even propose the region-wide system we should have built then.

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If only it were as simple as voting for our against congestion as some of you want to make out. I’m in the boat with Carlos from earlier. I simply don’t trust this set of politicians with this money. I mean who do you think owns the companies who are going to get these contracts? Just like when they tried the second perimeter and it came out that the politicians had bought up all the land where the new interchanges would be. BUT…we really need improvement in infrastructure. OH what to do what to do?

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Jay, this was a fantastic post. These kind of insightful thought-provoking posts should be your trademark, not the transparently partisan Democratic Party/Obama hack pieces you all too often produce where you apply one standard to Democrats and Obama, and a different one to Republcians and Romney.

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He/she published a vent saying that an extra 1% tax would amount to $2000 on a $20,000 automobile purchase.

Carlos, I would like to believe the Vent editor was merely giving an anti-TSPLOSTer rope to hang himself.

That’s a pretty blatant case of Teh Stoopid.

/drive-by

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hey don’t use 285, they pack up and leave Florida right around lunch which puts them here of course at rush hour. I have never heard this proposal from anyone but I can tell you it’s a major cause of our congestion.

It was called the Outer Perimeter. Didn’t work out.

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Yeah and if it doesn’t pass, we will quickly become the Detroit of the south. Good summary Jay.

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And if A fails, and a plan B magically materializes … then there will be those same folks waiting for plan C… and so on, and so on.

They are the same folks that complain about the politicians, and then keep voting them into office!

Ignorance is bliss. Many folks keep reaching a conclusion, and then searching for tidbits to support their fragile position. A perfect way to make truly bad decisions.

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Of course we don’t trust our politicians. Why would we give them more of our money?

I don’t think it has anything to do with “inside the perimeter” or “outside the perimeter”. The voters know special interests are driving this TSPLOST effort.

I, for one, will be proud of GA voters for rejecting this new tax.

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A new one percent sales tax on everything each of us buys is one percent of 90 percent of our net income for the rest of our lives. TSPLOST is not insignificant. Future politicians will have no obligation to to use this money for any specific purpose. The key is for we taxpayers to restrict government’s income to force them to spend wisely or we replace them with others who will. If we do that, we may be able to avoid the economic collapes experienced by Californai, Illinois, New York, Greece, Spain and others. It is past time to reduce our wants and to increase our vigilence.

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Jay, can you post the actual list of projects that will be done in the order they will be done? Would be good to see the actual list from the DOT.

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T-SPLOST is ripe with corruption From MARTA spending $1.5mm to spruce up the airport station, to Government Officials stating it is not a transportation tax but an economic stimulus tax, to the big paving road construction companies spending tons of money to promote, to the 25% from each region returning to Atlanta to the vote date in a primary vote in lieu of a National vote to include the Presidential vote which draws more votes to Deal removing the toll on 400 weeks before voting to Cox enterprises spending tons of money, to the powerful politicians brow beating those politicians who are saying no…this TAX reeks of graft and corruption and no narry a word of accountability of why they need more money when they do not have to tell where they wasted what they have – 1 billio0n dollars in projects by the GADOT that were never done..geeze VOTE NO as many times as you can!!!

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A new one percent sales tax on everything each of us buys is one percent of 90 percent of our net income for the rest of our lives.

Someone is only saving 10% of their net income? Or is this some new math? But don’t forget, the 1% can always travel, and ya know, they dont charge this tax in NY, CA, Paris or London.

Ya might just want to work on making your fearbite even plausible and not just some numbers you pull out your arse

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Thank you cat. Sorry I fooled you.

Ok I’m not really. But it should tell you something that you so readily believed that I believed that stuff.

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Keep… I’ve tried that argument on all the transplanted northerners who complain constantly about the south….It doesn’t work. They are still here.

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Go fish is a irrelevant hair shirt for Jay.

You can tell TSPLOST is in big trouble becasue the finger pointing is starting. Jay is just trying to salvage a little political advantage out of the coming carnage. What Jay will never admit is that the project list was deeply flawed becasue fixing our traffic problems was not the primary criteria for including projects. TSPLOST included a pack of projects all around changing how we live an work, some quality of life projects and some development projects. But, it neglected to focus like a laser on transportation.
As for Tim Lee, I hope he does not survive his primary challenge. Tim supported a rail line from Cumberland to the Arts center over projects that would have had much more benefit to untying traffic than a transit line along a mostly uncongested corridor. Tim sold out his constituents who are stuck in traffic every day. He deserves to lose.

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Some subhuman moronic creature is trying to politicize the shooting in Colorado? Early leader in the most pathetic lib contest.

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I have seen too many pet projects (hello Go Fish) to trust any of our current crop of hand outstretched, money under the table politicians to assume anything will be different this time. Will vote NO!

Yep, no plan beyond complaining about politicians and squalling no.

Thought so.

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Jeffrey: Adam, I think the right would be fine with metal detectors and probably body searches too.

But… but… FREEDOM!

Also doesn’t it increase the likelihood a crazy gunman won’t come into a movie theater with guns if he KNOWS everyone else might have a gun? Isn’t that how this argument works?

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John Birch: Well since you, and every other con here, claims not to EVER EVER listen to Rush, I am sure you will miss it when he starts talking about this.

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Well it seems my property values are pretty much the same as when the exodus started.

I was being facetious anyway. I love my yankee brethren. They just arent as good of drivers in the snow as they think they are.

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Aquagirl-the plan is to vote out the unethical politicians, duh. I didn’t vote for them and will do my best to make sure they are voted out! If that is your idea of squalling or doing nothing you haven’t gotten out much or haven’t been voting very long.

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Carlos — “You can thank whomever selects the vents for online publishing for a portion of TSPLOST’s failure. He/she published a vent saying that an extra 1% tax would amount to $2000 on a $20,000 automobile purchase. Because neither the AJC employee in charge of The Vent, nor the venting party could perform 4th grade arithemetic, many people will over estimate the cost of this tax. Thansk AJC. I’ll be thinking of you when I’m stuck in traffic.”

Never attribute to incompetence that which can be just as easily explained by good old-fashioned mendacity.

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Rb

List available on the AJC website

I think under the Atlanta forward section

The 400-285 junction is the biggest road project

$400 million I believe, + or -

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M. Righty — ” The key is for we taxpayers to restrict government’s income to force them to spend wisely or we replace them with others who will. If we do that, we may be able to avoid the economic collapes experienced by Californai, Illinois, New York, Greece, Spain and others. It is past time to reduce our wants and to increase our vigilence.”

Penny wise, pound foolish.

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“Some subhuman moronic creature is trying to politicize the shooting in Colorado?”

Well yeah, that’s going to happen. for example…

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2908556/posts

Zero now has his platform for a new AWB and massive gun control.

If anyone still is lacking in 2nd ammendment supplies, they better hurry the heck up and buy them up. If Obummer wins in November, it will be a full court press against the 2nd Ammendment on multiple fronts.

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My post @ 9/35 was the result of simply googling free republic dark knight, and looking at the most recent link to appear on my first screen, if anyone was wondering.

Plenty of other “subhuman moronic creatures” I could’ve quoted from the link, but I really think I made my point already.

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but I really think I made my point already

Well yes, for those with comprehension…. but do you realize the closed minds you are dealing with? first time here?

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–Carlos, I would like to believe the Vent editor was merely giving an anti-TSPLOSTer rope to hang himself.

I would like to agree, but based on numerous past vents with major factual errors, I believe you’re over estimating the Vent editor. If it were a planned strategy, I would only expect it in some sort of sensationalist publication such as “The National Enquirer” or any Murdoch rag.

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Scrappy is right.

The main argument I’m hearing is that we don’t trust our ELECTED officials with the money the one cent sales tax will generate.

Well, UN-elect them and replace them with someone you do trust. The fact of the matter is we need to take responsibility for investing in OUR own infrastructure, and the sooner we start the better off we’ll be. The current gas tax is not enough, nor will it be in the foreseeable future.

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Perhaps I am missing something. What does this mean? Godot?

So do you have a plan for this, besides writing in “Godot” repeatedly?

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Perhaps I am missing something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot

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godless: I was feeling like making bad jokes this morning. Just to see who would get riled up. I don’t think I waited long enough to reveal my joke though and there wasn’t enough obviousness in it so I need to work on that

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After doing my research, I was planning to vote ‘no’. Now I’m leaning toward voting yes, just so that I don’t agree with the Tea Party.

:::shudder:::

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Adam
The inability to comprehend
your joke leaves you the
opportunity to mock more
people. Keep up the good
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Stevie Ray: In my world, Obama would be in jail. He promised to close Guantanamo as well some other promises, and got elected based on some of those promises, and then didn’t follow through.

Granted, I didn’t agree with some of those things he promised, but I’d rather have an honest President that I disagree with than one I agree with but cannot be trusted. And one thing we know about Obama… He lies and he breaks promises.

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Well, i have encouraged my family who lives in Cobb County to vote yes for it. Although, i dont live down there, i do visit Atlanta on business or to visit family 4 to 5 times a month.

In our neck of the woods, the Athens region, i early voted yes. And according to my own unscientific poll, the yes and no votes are neck and neck.

I hope for our sake that it passes. This region needs the jobs badly.

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Heck no-I do not trust anyone that even remotely will benefit from the zillions of dollars from Tsplost.

I know—we’ll appoint a board of Section 8 welfare queens to make the list of projects.

Let us know when you’ve sold that idea to the good people of Jawja.

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Section 8 welfare queens

Band Name! I’m calling it.

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Aquagirl-I’m thinking a group of section 8 welfare queens have a lot more intelligence than you are currently displaying. You really are embarrasing yourself but do carry on if it makes you feel important.

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I’m thinking a group of section 8 welfare queens have a lot more intelligence than you are currently displaying.

…sez the guy whose transportation plan is “vote the bums out!!!”

Somebody is embarrassing themselves here all right.

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Why can’t the assembly make cuts elsewhere in the budget and direct those savings towards infrastructure? We could allow casinos with a provisional “transportation” tax for all casino revenue. You could decriminalize marijuana and push savings from not jailing non-violent drug offenders towards these projects. Give illegal immigrants a temporary GA work voucher that allows them to pay guest worker taxes directed towards transportation since our agriculture business is struggling. The answers are on the table, but we’re just failing to see that money can be acquired through restoring small albeit important liberties and creating “new” revenue streams.

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what’s up with Barbara Bachmann?

huh? Were you thinking of Mrs. Ringo, perchance?

(I actually had no idea they were still married after 30+ years until I just checked…wow.)

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The only reason we are voting on this is because it is a vote on whether to add a one per cent sales tax.

Road improvements should be funded out of general funds, and the projects decided by the legislature, the Department of Transportation and the county and city governments.

The public has no idea what sort of improvements or project are included. To vote up or down on a six billion dollar bill without reading it or knowing what is in it does not make sense.

We complain about sprawl. Sprawl comes from building roads. We don’t need more sprawl.

Your choice.

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Does an extension of this tax require another referendum ?

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If you look at the requirements to have another vote, you’ll see that we’ll never even get to the list-making step; certainly not in time to vote in two years, and likely not ever. First the legislature (driven by the local delegation) has to pass an act to authorize (which could get done) but next, a majority of the counties (i.e. the county commissions) in the region have to pass resolutions requesting the process/vote. Based on the way this has been painted by the opposition and the resulting reaction in the suburbs, at best, I count four, maybe five, which would do so (Fulton, Dekalb, Clayton, Gwinnett and Cobb being a toss-up).

So the fact is – there is NO plan B. If the TIA vote fails, it’s done for good. The sad part is that it will take at least four years for people to realize that process isn’t going to work (as it is proven out in fact) so that means for at least four years the Atlanta region will be pummeled by other cities/regions in attracting business and investment. At least four more years the region will stagnate as others like Dallas and Charlotte move forward.

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I agree w/ mighty @ 8:23, I also want to add I was disappointed with the Augusta list and starting dates, even if this passes, in ten years they will ask for an extension due to the fact the projects are underfunded and won’t be finished in time. I am willing to pay more in taxes if the revenue is spent well but unfortunately, it’s not even close to being spent properly. On both sides, we don’t have principled respectful politicans governing us….

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until the people of North Fulton are allowed to choose wether or not to form Milton County.

You mean until the state government allows any group of county citizens to secede and form their own little mini-county whenever they feel like doing so?

Why in the holy name of all that is holy would a state government allow groups to splinter off, willy nilly, like that?

I’ve heard some dumb cases made for that pretend “Milton County” some talk about, but that might be the dumbest yet.

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The likely means Fulton, DeKalb and Clayton in one region

Do they get to put up a big fence and charge admission for out-of-county residents who want to use their streets and mass transit?

(Maybe a bubble, to keep the ER choppers out, as well.)

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The public has no idea what sort of improvements or project are included.

whose frickin’ fault is that?

“Gee, I’m too lame to google ga tsplost project list. wahhh is me.”

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T. Cat — “I agree there needs to be a congestion relief plan but this isn’t it. Increasing the size of the airport tower isn’t going to help your or my commute now is it?”

I don’t know if you’ve ever been down at Hartsfield late on a Sunday night or first thing on Monday morning, but I commuted by air weekly for six years in my work, and there are a lot of other people in the same boat.

Frankly, I’d rather deal with Hartsfield twice a week than 285 twice a day.

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JHM-please explain how increasing the size of the airport tower in Cobb county will help anyone’s commute on 285 to hartsfield airport.

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The thing we should take away from the Colorado shootings is that we need to help the mentally ill. And yes, this time I was serious.

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Excuse me, shooting, singular

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I would say that PDK has more business travelers but I see your point. Is this runway long enough to accommodate corporate jets?

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Well, some bloggers made death threats about the movie, rush demonized the movie and gop cut mental health funding.

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Anyway, if your story is say no to the T-SPLOST and you’re stickin’ to it, I will leave you alone.

Please do.

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Well said Mr. President.

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Obama just spoke about the terrible event in Colorado. He said we all need to pray, we need to ask the Lord to watch over us, we need to have faith in God. He mentioned God about 50 times which I have no problem with.

I do wonder what Democrats think about this though? It seems if any Republican mentions religion they are “crazy religious fanatics”!!!

Just more garbage from the left…

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I was wondering when the tragedy in Colorado was going to get politized .

Thank you , Woodstock.

Oy.

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Geez Woodstock Mike,

Can you not give Obama a break? Do you dislike him that much that in a situation such as this you still are a partisan hack?

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“Do you dislike him that much that in a situation such as this you still are a partisan hack?”

Could have just said cry baby

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Death to the T-SPLOST

July 20th, 2012
9:42 am

You got it EXACTLY RIGHT!!

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“It would mean that voters inside the perimeter became too concerned that voters outside the perimeter might be getting a better deal, and vice versa ……… ”

“Might be” is wrong. That’s why North Fulton is all incorporated now.

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23,663.38 jobs

No rounding necessary….I’ve seen plenty of people work .38 of a job.

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Woodstock,
Evidently you don’t understand what “religion” is. President Obama said God. God is not religion. Religion is man made, therefore flawed. Those of us who despise religion still worship God in our own private personal way. You don’t need religion to worship God and I personally believe He prefers it that way.

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The politicians tout future growth as reason to do this as well.

Consider that growth is a zero sum game. Companies that move here from other cities bring employees with them adding to the number of cars on our streets while the other city declines. Growth in companies moving from one state to another is not desired. It is cost a company should not have to bear, but they do when conditions warrant (generally cheaper cost of living, taxes, etc. and NOT traffic patterns).

Truth is, the politicians would love to bring in new business as it increases their tax base, makes their jobs picture somewhat better (though many will move here from elsewhere), and give the politicians more power (and you and I less).

NO on Tsplost. It is not what transportation dollars should be doing.

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I voted No in advance voting last week. Reason? There were no plans for extending Marta or brining light rail in our area. Our local leaders made absolutely sure Marta was not in the list. We have some strange backward thinking people out here. Marta to Stonecrest Mall, “maybe” in ten years didn’t help move me toward a yes vote. The Metro Area needs to address traffic and congestion, this isn’t the right approach to planning and until our leaders recognize the need for mass transit throughout the region, I will not believe they are serious about solving the congestion woes.

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Woodstock: Seems to me you DO have a problem with Obama referencing God. Why?

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Speaking of reactions: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/louie-gohmert-aurora-shootings_n_1689099.html?1342794304

Louie Gohmert: Aurora Shootings Result Of ‘Ongoing Attacks On Judeo-Christian Beliefs’

WASHINGTON — Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of “ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs” and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.

As I mentioned elsewhere, I knew someone would bring up the bogus “if others were armed this wouldn’t have happened” argument.

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woodstock.

Seriously?

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Jay, I think you are misreading this one. it’s not about the penny, it’s about the list.

A penny for a plan that will actually FIX the traffic problem would get 60-70% of the vote.

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Is Obama talking about god
narcissism?

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Louie Gohmert: Aurora Shootings Result Of ‘Ongoing Attacks On Judeo-Christian Beliefs

I was just about to post on how I don’t care if Obama mentions Jesus, Allah, or Satan in his speeches. As long as he doesn’t pontificate on how Jesus sends [insert latest tragedy/natural disaster here] because this nation allows [insert latest wingnut obsession here].

Alas, I wasn’t faster than the crazy R-Texas guy.

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Aquagirl
How crazy r texas ?

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Well if you are looking for a certifiable idiot, Louie never fails to disappoint….. but he’s struggling to stay ahead of Bachmann

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I think I understand why some of you would be against it, I really do.

But let me tell you the view from the outside. Voting it down will give the
APPEARANCE to outsiders that, not only are you the biggest clusterf*
in the history of traffic, and you’re not even thinking about improving
the situation.
Sooo – having sat in on several of those ‘where are we going
to put our plant/company’ meetings in my younger days, I can
tell you that by not acting to improve your situation, Atlanta is
not “marketing itself for the 21st century” to put it politely. They
are not that polite in those meetings.

Having said that, you need to do a hi speed rail line to de islands mon

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it is the most ironic thing in the history of the world that

Michelle Bachmann & Louis Gohmert are on the Intelligence committee

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Lets see if willard takes the high road like our President.

I would get all the facts before starting the blame game.

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FOTW — “What I wonder is where in Judeo-Christian beliefs is it held that everyone must be armed? I never read that in the bible.”

It’s in the Gospel of Smith & Wesson.

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Jm

July 20th, 2012
11:56 am

And why is it that you republicans think of him as God in the first place?

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where in Judeo-Christian beliefs is it held that everyone must be armed? I never read that in the bible.

I think it says you’re supposed to sell your clothes to buy guns. Because nothing says “Christian” like naked gun-wielding folks.

Also, if you shoot somebody’s ear off Jesus will glue it back on, so maybe it’s a no harm no foul thing.

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Oh you guys can’t take a joke….

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Jay, Recent polls show public trust of Congress is below 10%. I am shocked when I think about the prospect of entrusting $7 b-b-billion to municipal and county governments with only a no-authority “citizens review board” to “supervise” it’s dispursal. As big a hill as the trust issue presents, there are also people like me, who are willing to spend money (and waste lots of it in the process) but want it invested, at least in part, in creative development planning rather than in road-building which essentially only builds bigger traffic jams, hastens the effects of global warming and adds more “code red” poisonous air days to our summer. I believe the long term solution involves reframing the issue around community development first and transportation second.

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“Perhaps the government should make wiser use of the blood money they get now. If you want TSPLOST cut something else.”

With that I wholeheartedly agree.

But that’s not the choice at hand.

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Normal

I’m not a republican

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Learn to walk – ti’s better for you over weight, soft people.

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Illegal Alien – I think you opened a can of worms with that comment……. over weight, soft people dominate this web site.

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odrama,

Are you fat and lazy?

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jm,

Your words prove you are a typical con focused on getting our President.

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“I think it says you’re supposed to sell your clothes to buy guns. Because nothing says “Christian” like naked gun-wielding folks”

And nothing says hypocrit quite like a “tolerant” liberal spewing hatred on Christians.

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“administration’s lack of results.”

His ratings are much higher to prove this is a lie.

No lying or drama on this blog.

Thanks.

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Personally, I don’t hate Christians.

I just hate the KKK type that is still uber-popular in certain political circles……

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And to my point in my last post, Bachmann, Gomert, Westmoreland, et al.

These are nothing but glorified Klansmen…

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getalife – I am 5 ‘ 11 1/2 ” 185 lbs. Lift weights 4 times a week. I run 3 miles in approximately 16 minutes every other day. Lift weights 3 hours a day – lower body and upper body on alternate days. Bench 70 lbs (4 reps strict) Leg press 640 lbs (12 reps) – Have my own business where I work 10 hours a day 6 days a week. Does that sound like fat and lazy to you? Not bragging. You asked.

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Getalife

I definitely don’t get the president

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Call a waaaaambulance Joe. Liberals try to get people the dont like fired all the time.

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Reasonable minds wonder why people who are normally knee-jerk rabidly set against added taxes and government are foaming at the mouth to get this thing passed? As in, most Republicans.
Odd behavior.
Could it be the seven billion dollar pot of gold for insiders, developers and road builders, to be administered by insiders? All those billions sloshing around make strange bedfellows.
Millions of dollars worth of non-stop, almost hysterical propaganda to convince us sheep to do what the politicians refuse to do, because they are beholden to Grover Norquist.
Raise the gas tax to support highways and auto usage, instead of taxing groceries to pay for politicians’ and developers’ pet projects.

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I’m 8′11′ weigh 290. I run 50 miles a day, barefoot in the snow — uphill both ways. I swim from Russia to Alaska across the Bering Sea naked in the winter twice a week. Every other month, I free dive to the bottom of the Marianas Trench. I can make The Most Interesting Man in the World cry like a 3 year old.

Oh, and I work 24 hours a day 7 days a week nonstop.

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n

July 20th, 2012
12:41 pm
Reasonable minds wonder why people who are normally knee-jerk rabidly set against added taxes and government are foaming at the mouth to get this thing passed? As in, most Republicans.
Odd behavior.
Could it be the seven billion dollar pot of gold for insiders, developers and road builders, to be administered by insiders? All those billions sloshing around make strange bedfellows.
Millions of dollars worth of non-stop, almost hysterical propaganda to convince us sheep to do what the politicians refuse to do, because they are beholden to Grover Norquist.
Raise the gas tax to support highways and auto usage, instead of taxing groceries to pay for politicians’ and developers’ pet projects.

Totally agree!!!

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getalife – My key board stuck…… mistyped – supposed to be bench press 270 lbs (4 reps strict). Sure you will have fun with this. Care to meet me in the octagon for a little sport?

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RB — “Call a waaaaambulance Joe.”

Sweetiekins, you already *called* the whaaaaaambulance when you said this:

“And nothing says hypocrit quite like a “tolerant” liberal spewing hatred on Christians.”

As Aquagirl said, you clearly have gotten intolerance mixed up with people who merely say things that make your precious feefees hurt. Stop crying and fix your mascara, Debbie.

“Liberals try to get people the dont like fired all the time.”

Yes, we do. We try to get people fired because of what they DO, not who they ARE. We don’t try to get christians fired because they’re christians. We don’t try to get conservatives fired because they’re conservatives. We try to get christians fired because they ridiculed gay kids in their class. We try to get conservative officials fired for using their offices for partisan political purposes.

Once again, your ignorance has made you post something so monumentally clueless that it’s going to be a pure pleasure batting you around over it all afternoon.

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Mike — “If you think political figures cause people to commit crimes you should start with Obama pitting Americans vs. Americans.”

And Woodstock Mike sets the LAND SPEED RECORD for hypocrisy!!! (laughing, pointing)

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@the cat

So, are you saying you think Rush Limbaugh is responsible for some 24 year old kid killing a bunch of innocent people? And I’m the simple one? Wow…

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@Joe Hussein Momma

So Joe, do you think that Obama isn’t pitting unemployed and middle class people against other Americans? Do you really believe that?

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It’s actually scary watching some of these anti-capitalism gatherings that Obama is having…

Pretty soon, they will be chanting “death to America” like they do in Iran.

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Hon, I didn’t say that, you did. I was just pointing out how stupid you are.

Woodstock Mike

July 20th, 2012
12:49 pm
@the cat

So, are you saying you think Rush Limbaugh is responsible for some 24 year old kid killing a bunch of innocent people? And I’m the simple one? Wow…

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Congestion could be eliminated if everyone would just stay home and blog and leave the streets to me and ice cream trucks.

Every time there is a tragedy such as the shooting at Virginia Tech or the theater in Colorado political vultures descend trying to score points for their side instead of just mourning the dead. So we are being told that the shooter at the movie was a Tea Party member while others are claiming that he was a registered Democrat. He isn’t important. The people who died are. Give it a rest.

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Mikey-Adam said that many pages ago in what he thought was a joke. He was called on it. Why don’t you try reading for comprehension?

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Oblama

If you’re just gonna make sh*t up, there’s no sense in being half-assed about it.

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America needs a beer summit

Obama not invited

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H. AIR — “There are many on the left and some on the right that are indeed intolerant of Christians…”

Refusing to knuckle under to how people like you demand others live their lives is not intolerance.

“. in part because they want their lifestyle justified”

No one needs or requires your justification.

“when it is in direct opposition to the word of God known as the Bible.”

Enjoy your god to whatever extent you wish. Just don’t expect that everyone else is going to agree with you or submit to whatever ‘authority’ you imagine your religion grants you.

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On the sidebar issue about Chik fil… seems to me if gays stay away from there that is what the owner wants, but if open affection and big time visability were to happen it would be a stick in the spokes, which — who knows what that would do, could go either way.

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What are anti-capitalism gatherings?

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What I find offensive is people who claim to be Christian and who think that the government should be completely excluded from the goal of helping the poor, the sick, and the elderly, as well as thinking that Jesus supported gun rights somehow. I grew up Christian, and Jesus was about kindness, helping the poor and the elderly and the sick, and about non-violent action.

No one really knows what he would say about guns, but I can say for sure that simply having one on your person is much more likely, statistically, to DECREASE your chances of survival in a violent encounter than it is to increase your chances. This is a FACT that many pro-gun people ignore, presumably because they think if they admit that one little thing somehow the entire 2nd amendment will be instantly deleted from the Constitution.

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Aquagirl and Joe, “Intolerance is saying something should not be permitted. You seem to have confused this with irreverent comments that hurt your fee-fees. Those are not the same things.”

So, by that “logic”, we can make fun of gays, call them names, tell jokes about them, pretty much anything we want as long as we don’t tell them to stop and that won’t be considered hate by you. Right? And blacks? And every other class who accuses white Christians of hating them?

I don’t think so!!

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Adam – Did everyone hear about the Limbaugh induced bulletproof vest wearing shoot-em-up in Colorado?

Oh, my bad. It’s probably just another “isolated incident” perpetuated by another “lone gunman” who was “just crazy.”

MoveAlong.com, nothing to see here….

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Way to try to score political points why the bodies are still warm and the facts are still cold.

Classy.

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A true Chrsitian does not demand or pressure others live their life style……… Jesus did not push his beliefs on anyone….. only those willing to listen which requires an open mind. God gives you a free will to decide for yourself. It is up to you to decide for yourself. True Christians do not force themselves or their beliefs on others. If you are willing to listen they will explain God’s message – if not you are free to go. If you don’t like this answer you are intolerant of Christians.

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I believe that sometimes things should be explained in a simple manner.

If a person spends $1,000 monthly in Fulton Couny (8%) they can buy $920 worth of merchandise.

If TSPLOST passes in Fulton County (9%) they can purchase $910 worth of merchandise.

That is $10 less in purchasing power per month. It is $120 less in purchasing power per year.

I believe that TSPLOST shoule be defeated.

THANKS !!!

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Adam, you continue to confuse needy with poor. Nobody has a problem helping people in need, but the majority of our poor are not needy. The need to change the behaviors that keep them poor.

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Adam – Most of what you say about Jesus is correct. I don’t know how Jesus got associated with gun rights since guns didn’t exist. The Constitution gives us to bare arms. You probably know that. Insane people and felons shouldn’t have guns however.

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Oblama: I agree. However, I do think we would have less insane people and felons if we had much better mental health focus for the general population and extra help for the mentally ill. Education helps a lot of people also.

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RB — “So, by that “logic”, we can make fun of gays, call them names, tell jokes about them, pretty much anything we want as long as we don’t tell them to stop and that won’t be considered hate by you. Right? And blacks? And every other class who accuses white Christians of hating them? I don’t think so!!”

Who asked you to think?

You don’t even seem to have a good handle on coherent thoughts in your *own* head; given that, you’re certainly not capable of making sense of what’s in someone’s else’s head.

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Most governments opposed Jesus and his teachings. They considered him a threat to their authority and control over the citizens. The term “poor’ has been expanded beyond it’s original meaning by those on the left. If you don’t have a car, a wide screen color TV, a computer or a cell phone you are considered poor.

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Thankfully my email box isn’t filled with talking points like you.

Way to stay classy Steve

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Adam, there are nearly 3 times as many illegals here doing jobs people in the ranks of our “poor” won’t do, even though those are the only jobs they’re qualified to do. If you can’t see that that is a “millions of people” problem, there is no helping you.

Question, what jobs do you think the 56% of APS students who don’t finish HS are qualified for?

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So, by that “logic”, we can make fun of gays, call them names, tell jokes about them, pretty much anything we want as long as we don’t tell them to stop and that won’t be considered hate by you.

Who said anything about hate? You were ranting about “intolerant libs.” If you think what I said is hateful that’s certainly up for debate but I’m not cut and ripped like Oblama and I can’t keep up with goalposts moving at 100 MPH.

If you think my statements about Christianity are irreverent or even hateful, just say so. I won’t cry, I promise.

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The number of people on disability has TRIPLED since 1202. Lawyer are on TV saying they can SUPERSIZE your payment from the government. No one goes back 5 years later to see if these people are still disabled – if they were to begin with. Disability is the new welfare.
Are there some that need disability? Yes but not triple in 10 years. The program is unmonitored and out of control. Reminds me of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the lack of government oversight there.

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If you don’t have a car, a wide screen color TV, a computer or a cell phone you are considered poor.

What? They can have a shelter, food and clothing? Sure 1/2 of Americans have an aggregate of 1.1% of the nation’s total wealth. But hey, let them eat cake.

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Question, what jobs do you
think the 56% of APS
students who don’t finish HS
are qualified for?
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Georgia Legislature.

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Good one barking frog. Lol

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No need talking to Mama about Christianity… closed mind. Mama can say “fictitious” God but Mama doesn’t know it all yet….. though Mama thinks so.

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Correction !!!

I believe that sometimes things should be explained in a simple manner.

If a person spends $1,000 monthly in Fulton County (8%) the total cost is $1,080.

If T-SPOST passes a person spending $1,000 monthly in Fulton County (9%) the total cost would be $1,090.

That is $10 more per month. It is $120 more per year.

I believe that T-SPLOST should be defeated

THANKS !!!

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TSPLOST! Traffic and pollution and to many people. Prime reasons I no longer live in the city.

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Illegal Immigrant
July 20th, 2012
1:45 pm
I know God is real because
God has spoken to me loud
and clear.
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For TSPLOST ?

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Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks — not Fannie and Freddie — dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

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G. I. Joe — “Reminds me of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the lack of government oversight there.”

ALERT ALERT ALERT

Unauthorized anti-conservative expression in Line 10

Report for Conservative Re-Education, Comrade. Every good little conservative *knows* that it was *excessive* government regulation, involvement and oversight that caused the FNMA/FHLMC failures.

Of course, the actual *truth* is different, but they just *know* otherwise.

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James Holmes- what else would you expect from a jihadist black dude wearing a hoodie?

Jeepers creepers- could not imagine being the family and friends of this horrible shooting.

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RB — “Joe, it’s funny to see you start the name calling routine when your proven wrong or foolish. Happens every time.”

Well, yes, it would be if it ever happened. Let me know if it ever does, K? (laughing)

The fact of the matter is that you’re making wild guesses about what Aquagirl and I are saying, you’re completely off the mark and you’re too wound up in your own prejudices to slow down and *dicuss* the topic — which leads to you making those sorts of wild, unfounded and overarching assessments. Sorry, Punkin, but your wild guesses don’t *prove* anything. (laughing)

“Keep on hating Christians though, Joe.”

Silly boy. I don’t hate christians. I just don’t show them the deference they constantly demand.

“It might not come back to haunt you someday….”

Oooh, metaphysical christian threats! Follow my god or burn! (laughing)

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odrama.

Yeah, right and I compete in triathlons.

Are you lying odrama because you usually do.

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Does this mean they are going to rebid the concession contracts @ the airport also?

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For example:

“Aurora Suspect Mother: ‘You Have the Right Person’ ”

This indicates to me an ongoing problem with this murderer ………….. where many prior actions “could possibly” (repeat possibly) have been taken to prevent this.

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JoeHusseinMama
I see you are familiar with
our school fight song.

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Oh brave brave Sir Scout…. what no link to support your claim about a Ft Hood report? The actual report itself not some wingnut recap.

But I am sure Steve will be calling you out for your lack of class with your post.

Finally, it’s too bad that an off-duty officer or legal gun toter wasn’t available to end the carnage.

So I guess those 2 AF reservists and a Navy service member that were injured were not carrying? No one in the theatre was? Perhaps your political spiking of the ball with NRA nonsense remains premature.

Let me suggest that everyone follow the words of the President: He called for reflection after the attack. “There are going to be other days for politics,” Obama said during an abbreviated appearance in Fort Myers, where he led a moment of silence on behalf of the victims and their families.

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Sweet baby Jesus!

Some of you self-proclaimed Xians are real a-holes.

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JoeHusseinMama
Enlightment is worth
fighting for. Non enlightenment must be
destroyed. We are very
pacific about this.

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Sooth

Could be in an interesting weekend across the pond

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Good Fight:

Whether or not he fell through the cracks before this incident or whether or not someone in the theater was “carrying” has nothing to do with politics. Facts are facts.

What will be interesting is to see what transpired in his life for the several years leading up to this. His mother indicated almost immediately she knew it must be him …………… that presupposes a long, ongoing problem. Who was previously involved? What were the signs? Should someone have intervened but didn’t? All of these are valid questions.

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Joe Hussein Mama: “You are too credulous by half, 0311.”

Good Fight: “Oh brave brave Sir Scout….”

Is there any way you two can just debate without always getting so personal with other posters ?

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B. Frog — “JoeHusseinMama
Enlightment is worth
fighting for. Non enlightenment must be
destroyed. We are very
pacific about this.”

Oy!

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0311 — “Is there any way you two can just debate without always getting so personal with other posters ?”

You seem to be laboring under the misconception that I’m debating something with you.

I’m not. I’m pointing out that you misrepresented the source of the ‘political correctness’ charge.

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Someone convince Mayor Bloomberg to run for President!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/michael-bloomberg-nyc-mayor-reacts-colorado-shooting_n_1689211.html

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0311-you dolt. Are you implying those killed are not worthy? In my opinion, there is so much meanness in the world, the flag should always be at half staff.

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Joe Hussein Mama:

“I’m not. I’m pointing out that you misrepresented the source of the ‘political correctness’ charge.”

You are free to post or say anything you want. This is an opinion blog. In my opinion the report outlines what can happen when political correctness interferes with good law enforcement.

My point stands …………… you always take a personal shot. Just pointing that out as one of the main differences between you and me as regards other posters.

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the cat:

And you make my point. Obama is being political as others are worthy as well.

I agree. During war it should remain at half staff.

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Good Fight:

That’s why I used the words “possibly” and that I am interested in what happened with him in the past to come to light.

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0311 — “You are free to post or say anything you want. This is an opinion blog. In my opinion the report outlines what can happen when political correctness interferes with good law enforcement.”

No. Your opinion is irrelevant here. You specifically stated that the *report itself* made that charge. That is demonstrably false. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion that the report *supports* that view, but it is a falsehood to see that the report *contains* or *expresses* that view, as you did. You seem to have a problem distinguishing between documentary fact and your opinion here.

“My point stands …………… you always take a personal shot.”

My point stands. You have a fundamental problem with honesty.

“Just pointing that out as one of the main differences between you and me as regards other posters.”

Yes. I am able to remain honest, even when the truth is detrimental to the position I’m taking. You are not able to do so.

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#s guy-

Most likely a cocktail of prespcription medications plus some sporting drugs like bath salts mixed with some religious something or other. What is always interesting to follow is the insanity plea. Of course the young man is insane but what would you do, if and when you perhaps become sane again, with your life?

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In my opinion the report outlines what can happen when political correctness interferes with good law enforcement.

If you’d said that in the first place you might not get tomatoes thrown your way. However you post secondhand stuff saying its “the report”, then when somebody calls you on it you start parsing and scrambling around.

You may feel it’s your right to present your opinion as fact, but don’t expect other people to shrug it off. And acting like you are the most imperious good guy to top it off is pretty jarring.

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“Accorging to the just released report, the Ft. Hood massacre could probably have been prevented had the FBI not bowed to “political correctness” pressure.”

WASHINGTON — “The FBI failed to recognize the threat posed by U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Hasan before he killed 13 people at Fort Hood because poor organization, overwork and concern about a “politically sensitive” case led to an assessment that was rushed and incomplete, according to an independent report released Thursday.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20120719-report-fbi-failed-to-see-threat-before-fort-hood-massacre.ece

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Aquagirl — “If you’d said that in the first place you might not get tomatoes thrown your way.”

This is exactly my point. The first thing he posted was that the *report itself* claimed that. It took me five seconds to find out that a Congressman who wasn’t even connected to the report was the one who *actually* said that.

“However you post secondhand stuff saying its “the report”, then when somebody calls you on it you start parsing and scrambling around.”

People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.

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Besides, let’s be honest: Most who oppose this T-SPLOST would also oppose any future tax increase for transportation.

I doubt that that is true. In a better economy there would be less opposition. Furthermore, if the governor and legislature wanted good-will in support of the issue, they should have discontinued the GA 400 toll as originally promised. Also, the Beltline project (and the King Center trolley) have far less to do with untying Atlanta than with graft and community development.

There is a good case to be made that the GA government can be disciplined about limiting spending and spending money on efforts that are realistic to solving real problems: it has been faithful in limiting the lottery to education and not raiding the money for pet projects; the gas tax has been scrupulously spent, insofar as the state government itself is concerned.

I will be voting for the TSPLOST myself, even though I disagree with some of the projects on the list because the state has been pretty reliable in not wasting as much public money as say California (see last night’s discussion), nor do they have a record of exploding projects, like say, Boston’s big dig.

While I do believe also that the Georgia DOT is a partly disfunctional bunch of boobs, it does still have and maintain some of the best road systems in the country, nearly all of which are toll-less.

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0311 — (blather snipped)

And the goalpost-moving begins.

You asserted that the report itself cited “political correctness” as a root cause. I’d like for you to show me precisely where that term is contained within the report itself, please. Not “politically sensitive,” which is not the same thing (and I expect you’re smart enough to be able to tell the difference).

Show me where the report *itself* even *says* “political correctness.”

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When flags were at half staff after 9/11 was it politically motivated?

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the cat:

No. We were a nation at war attacked by an enemy ………….. not a lone wolf psychotic murderer (which happens somewhere everyday).

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Jay:

This process did not have to be “highly politicized and contentious” to start with. If spending some money on traffic congestion and some on economic development was the goal then it should have been positioned as such. We’re big boys and girls out here and can handle the truth. What we cannot handle are more lies. You are right to call out Sonny Purdue’s actions that wiped out any trust in state government that might have still had a pulse. Extending the GA 400 toll will long be the rallying cry when state government comes to tax payers wanting more money. And it should.

The unintended consequence of Gov. Deal’s action to eliminate the GA 400 toll (call me doubting Thomas but I will believe that when I see it with my own eyes!) simply reinforces this sentiment. Had Deal acted in the first days or weeks of taking office, he would have been hailed for his bold action and his subsequent support of TSPLOST might have carried some weight with voters. Instead, his action is seen as a desperate attempt to woo voters: too little and most definitely too late!

For any politicians who might bother to read the comments of your blog, this is a freebie: we the people no longer trust you…ANY of you! We will look on every action you make as politically motivated to benefit you and your chances of being re-elected. We will be very skeptical of any spending or tax proposal you might support. We will likely do a better job of replacing you more often since we now understand that our politicians are in fact like diapers which should be changed often and for the same reason!

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“Thus they argue “semantics” as opposed to the truth. ”

Is this the same guy who once defended Republicans while decrying Democrats for not being in the service during Vietnam by bringing out the definitions of “aviod” and “evade”?

Talking about semantics and side stepping

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I think there’s a correlation with inability to support your opinion and irritation level when challenged.

Absolutely.

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Oh no! A Boston mayor has come out and said No to Chickfila on his watch. Gee-what would Mittens say?

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Enter your comments here

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Must have been political I guess when Bush ordered the flags across the nation and overseas to be be flown half-mast after VT.

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Everything oweboma does is politically motivated just like every other DEM-wit and REP-ugant politican..

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“They will know we are Christians by our love by our love”

No wonder it’s a dieing belief system.

Ira,

Your cynicism can’t compete with Christianity because Christianity is not cynicism, nor is it blind optimism. It is faith, hope and love to sum-up terms we can both understand.

You can say such a mean thing only about Christianity and only in a Christian nation. If you say such things about Islam in an Islamic nation, about communisim in a communist nation, or heck, even about Georgia in a bulldog nation, about Obama in an Obamanation, or about global warming at the UN, you will be much more viciously attacked than you are being now.

It is the truth of Christianity that allowed the descendents of Rome to emerge and thrive from its ashes, to convert even the invaders, built on the back of Martyrs, continuing through and leading civilization through the Dark Ages, establishing chivalry, creating societies that would become the most advanced, the most free and the best places to live for hundreds of years, where the dignity of peoples advanced in recognition and was upheld to this very day.

So when I read the oft-repeated pap about what in the liberal diaspora is known as dumb Christians and guns, I’m continuously amazed that it is such left ideologues who are saying this and calling Christians stupid.

The irony is that the truth is exactly backwards.

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Ob — “continuing through and leading civilization through the Dark Ages”

I disagree. I think a cogent case can be made that christianity has *retarded* mankind’s social and scientific progress for centuries. Far from being leaderly, christian sects have been instrumental in holding humanity *back.*

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-staff#United_States

Joe, and your point is?

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Recon 0311 2533:

Thank you again. The report speaks for itself.

Notice again Joe wants to argue “semantics” rather than the meat of the report. That tells you a lot and is usually his modus operandi ……….. when he can’t debate the core subect he reverts to nit picking/semantics/personal attack.

I stand by my statement.

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Recon — “Joe, isn’t what you’re jumping on somewhat of a nit pic?”

As I said, if 0311 wants to talk about PC, we can do that. But his first post on the topic said that the *report itself* pointed to PC as a cause, and it didn’t. It was a Republican Congressman who wasn’t even connected with the report (who said it).

This is how misinformation gets reproduced and transmitted throughout our society; someone makes a misstatement like 0311 did, and others repeat it. The fact of the matter is that the report *itself* said nothing of the sort.

“I know that the P.C. term isn’t particularly liked by the left but the findings none the less pointed to senior officers in the Army avoiding investigating this guy’s radical behavior because of his Muslim connections and their fear of making waves.”

I don’t reject that, and it’s certainly something we can discuss if you want.

“Just because a report didn’t specifically use the term “politically correct” the inference was still there.”

Inference does not evidence make. There *could* have been other factors in play; so why are y’all so keen to discuss a possible factor that the report doesn’t even *mention?* It makes me think that you were *expecting* PC to be a factor and you’re trying to make it one even if the report doesn’t mention it.

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I see that Keep up the good fight is still fighting to post nonsense.

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0311 — “Notice again Joe wants to argue “semantics” rather than the meat of the report.”

Uh, no. The meat of the report does not contain the assertion about PC that you claimed it does. That’s simply a falsehood on your part.

“That tells you a lot and is usually his modus operandi ……….. when he can’t debate the core subect”

I’m *confronting* the core subject — the content of the report. You’re making claims about material being in it that provably is not.

“he reverts to nit picking/semantics/personal attack.”

I have made no personal attack on you whatsoever during this discussion. I’m sure you’d like for me to, but I have been very pointed and specific in my critique.

The report does not say what you claimed it did. You are falsely claiming that the report cites PC as a cause.

“I stand by my statement.”

Your statement is provably false. I stand by my request that you show us where in the report “political correctness” is asserted as a root or contributing cause to the massacre.

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Recon, of course you are too cowardly to admit you were wrong and to make some nonsense up about Obama doing the very same thing Bush did….. you really have no ability to be truthful or honest.

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Keep Up the Good Fight,

Let me be even more cowardly and tell you that you call me a liar, you should know that I’m convinced that you’re not only a liar but also an ass. Now that we’re completely out in the open about how we view each other lets now ignore each others posts. You may go first or if you prefer, I will.

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you’re not only a liar but also an ass.

Somebody needs to hit the musical sheets.

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Recon, sorry squirt. I intend to keep calling out your lies and cowardice. Again, squirt, Bush called for flags to be at half-mast after VT. Sorry you can’t face reality. If you can’t just admit you are wrong and have to resort to more lies, then you just continue to show your weakness.

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My my, a little temper tantrum on the left.

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Joe,
I could report that it’s a cloudy day and you could disagree and tell me I should have reported it as an overcast day. We all can read the same report and interpret it as we truly see it or how we don’t want to see. Have a great weekend

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Recon — “Joe, I could report that it’s a cloudy day and you could disagree and tell me I should have reported it as an overcast day.”

Nope.

The fact remains that 0311 specifically said that the report said something that it does not say. That’s untruthful.

“We all can read the same report and interpret it as we truly see it or how we don’t want to see.”

However, we can also read the report and FACTUALLY DETERMINE what it does and does not say. The fact that you and 0311 clearly don’t want to do that makes me very suspicious of your current and future motives. It’s a shame, because I thought Marines were trained to be truthful, no matter what.

“Have a great weekend”

And you as well.

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Ob — “The difference is that while Christians admit that there is sin and fault, the modern world denies it.”

Sin is a religious concept and is confined to those religions that include the concept in their faith tradition. As an atheist, I do not recognize the concept of sin and so do not commit any form of sin.

When I eat pork, I do not sin against islam since I am not a muslim.

When I work on Saturday, I do not sin against judaism since I am not a jew.

Therefore, how and when would I commit christian sin when I’m not a christian?

“The reason you can say whatever the F you want in America is because America has a Christian heritage”

No. The reason we can do that is because We The People explicitly reserved that right for ourselves in our Constitution.

“Despite what you seem to know about the members of this group, I don’t think any reasonable person can see what you see, who is not a leftist themselves. It occurs to me that, as it should to everyone else who reads your rude rhetoric, that perhaps it isn’t that Christians are more rude than anyone else, but that they must be so in your mind, in order that what leftists say may be overlooked, instead of being seen for the uncommon nonsense that it is.”

Word salad, order up! (laughing)

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May I also add that through observation I have noticed that the arc of Christianity bends toward a more loving and forgiving worldview, but the authorative Christians demand to be heard and feel compelled to use their brand of Christianity to force the government’s hand.

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Recon 0311 2533 :

You know, the other day the weatherman issued a warning that thunderstorms were on they way and that we should expect downpours due to heavy precipitation.

Guess what? I told someone on here the weather report said it was going to “rain real hard” and they called me a liar.

Go figure.

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Amend the gas tax law to allow for transit funding.

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Personally, I think the idea of regionalism is rediculous. First, I don’t ever remember voting on this extra level of government. Secondly, although at first glance it may appear that the counties selected for a certain group look similar, most in case are not. Douglas County, which sits outside of I-285, has NO MARTA support, yet part of our State Taxes pay for it. Now they want a 1% sales tax where 52% of the money collected is set aside for MARTA. Douglas Co., was just selected by the government for special relief because of the drought. Does this seem similar to Downtown Atlanta? Maybe MARTA should be privatized since it has a better chance of survival without more taxes, than if our inefficient government runs it. When you have to make a profit for the stock owners, you have to become more efficient or you fail. Please show me one thing in our government to day that is run more efficiently than the private sector. Medicare? Medicade? Social Security? Tricare? We have more oversight than the private sector, yet we spend a lot more money for less services.

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TSLPOST will be bigger than the YAZOO LAND FRAUD boondoggel. Just wait until electronic voting makes taking tax money just so easy.

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I believe we do need road improvements but politicians have taken the easy way out by putting a new tax on the ballot. We are already giving the government trillions of dollars to use for whatever they feel is most important. If they want to improve roads then take money away from a lesser important program or project and use it for road improvements. It IS THAT SIMPLE. What is more important, paying for the “arts” or new roads? Paying for a new stadium or new roads? Paying for anything that is not as important as new roads or new roads? Stop asking me for more money. I already pay about 50cents of every dollar I make to the government in taxes. If you politicians are too lazy to do your job of better managing our money, then step aside and let someone else try.

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fox news attacked your kook.

You cons are losing it big time.

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