A Plan B should TSPLOST fail? Realistically, I doubt it
So is there a Plan B should metro Atlanta reject the one-penny sales tax for transportation?
Theoretically, sure there is. State law says regional leaders can propose another list of projects to voters in two years, when many who oppose the current list argue that a “better” list would be more likely to win voter approval.
That’s wishful thinking. The same political forces that produced a list that is too heavy on transit to some, and too light on transit to others, will still be in play come 2014, and at best will produce a list much like this one.
Besides, let’s be honest: Most who oppose this T-SPLOST would also oppose any future tax increase for transportation. Their opposition is based not on these specific projects but on the idea of a transportation tax increase, period. That will not change.
And frankly, I doubt that two years from now, public officials would be able to agree on any list at all. As highly politicized and contentious as this process has become, elected local officials will be much less willing to engage again in the give-and-take that was necessary to produce the current list, and much more likely to grandstand in defense of their own small corner of the region.
For example, even if Cobb County Chairman Tim Lee survives his current primary challenge, I doubt he’ll be willing to stick his neck out once again on behalf of regional projects. If Lee does not survive, his fate will become an object lesson for other local officials. The spirit of cooperation that allowed regional leaders to support the current list unanimously will never be recaptured should voters reject this plan.
And of course, if the measure does fail, it won’t be hard to find people to blame. Near the top of the list will be former Gov. Sonny Perdue, who year after year told Georgia to Go Fish rather than focus on transportation, and who in the end left us this convoluted funding mechanism as his legacy.
In his last days in office, Perdue also broke the state’s longstanding pledge not to extend tolls on Georgia 400, shattering what was left of public faith that political leaders will keep their word on such issues. And while Gov. Nathan Deal’s announcement this week that he would end the extended tolls at the end of 2013 explicitly acknowledges the damage done by Perdue’s move, it may have come too late.
Fingers will also be pointed at state legislative leaders, who shucked off responsibility for making tough decisions onto local leaders, then sat back and in some cases took potshots at what those local elected leaders decided.
In the end, though, the failure will be our own. This will be the first time in the history of the Atlanta region that it has the chance to actually debate, vote and act as a region. Defeat would mean that we failed that test. It would mean that voters inside the perimeter became too concerned that voters outside the perimeter might be getting a better deal, and vice versa, and that voters in general lacked faith in their public institutions to perform what is really a very basic function of government.
And if we prove to have no faith in our leaders or institutions, why should outsiders looking to invest time, energy and money have that faith either?
– Jay Bookman
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0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
2:37 pm
Good Fight:
That’s why I used the words “possibly” and that I am interested in what happened with him in the past to come to light.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
2:39 pm
the cat:
“0311-you dolt.”
P.S. I don’t ever recall taking personal shots at you.
I prefer to just post my opinions and let you post yours.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
2:39 pm
0311 — “You are free to post or say anything you want. This is an opinion blog. In my opinion the report outlines what can happen when political correctness interferes with good law enforcement.”
No. Your opinion is irrelevant here. You specifically stated that the *report itself* made that charge. That is demonstrably false. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion that the report *supports* that view, but it is a falsehood to see that the report *contains* or *expresses* that view, as you did. You seem to have a problem distinguishing between documentary fact and your opinion here.
“My point stands …………… you always take a personal shot.”
My point stands. You have a fundamental problem with honesty.
“Just pointing that out as one of the main differences between you and me as regards other posters.”
Yes. I am able to remain honest, even when the truth is detrimental to the position I’m taking. You are not able to do so.
Recon 0311 2533
July 20th, 2012
2:40 pm
I really have no problem with Obama ordering the flags at half mast. I do agree that there is a bit of political motivation in him doing so, after all Colorado is a swing state.
Thomas
July 20th, 2012
2:41 pm
#s guy-
Most likely a cocktail of prespcription medications plus some sporting drugs like bath salts mixed with some religious something or other. What is always interesting to follow is the insanity plea. Of course the young man is insane but what would you do, if and when you perhaps become sane again, with your life?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
2:42 pm
I do agree that there is a bit of political motivation in him doing so, after all Colorado is a swing state.
What nonsense….. as if it would have made a difference if it was GA, AK, or CA.
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
2:46 pm
In my opinion the report outlines what can happen when political correctness interferes with good law enforcement.
If you’d said that in the first place you might not get tomatoes thrown your way. However you post secondhand stuff saying its “the report”, then when somebody calls you on it you start parsing and scrambling around.
You may feel it’s your right to present your opinion as fact, but don’t expect other people to shrug it off. And acting like you are the most imperious good guy to top it off is pretty jarring.
stands for decibels
July 20th, 2012
2:46 pm
Leg press 640 lbs
Leg presses are for pantywaists. Real men squat (with free weights, of course).
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
2:47 pm
“Accorging to the just released report, the Ft. Hood massacre could probably have been prevented had the FBI not bowed to “political correctness” pressure.”
WASHINGTON — “The FBI failed to recognize the threat posed by U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Hasan before he killed 13 people at Fort Hood because poor organization, overwork and concern about a “politically sensitive” case led to an assessment that was rushed and incomplete, according to an independent report released Thursday.”
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20120719-report-fbi-failed-to-see-threat-before-fort-hood-massacre.ece
Recon 0311 2533
July 20th, 2012
2:47 pm
In Obama’s term as president most everything he does is based on political motivation.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
2:48 pm
Aquagirl — “If you’d said that in the first place you might not get tomatoes thrown your way.”
This is exactly my point. The first thing he posted was that the *report itself* claimed that. It took me five seconds to find out that a Congressman who wasn’t even connected to the report was the one who *actually* said that.
“However you post secondhand stuff saying its “the report”, then when somebody calls you on it you start parsing and scrambling around.”
People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
carlosgvv
July 20th, 2012
2:48 pm
I just saw The Dark Knight and now realize what a mistake it would be to vote for Romeny. The villiam in the movie is named Bane and Romney worked for Bain Capital. Close enough.
I need to publicly thank Rush Limbaugh for helping me see the light. After all, if it hadn’t been for him, I would have thought basing your Presidential vote on a dislike for a Batman character and his similar name to a company Romney once worked for would have been really stupid.
Obambarrassment
July 20th, 2012
2:49 pm
Besides, let’s be honest: Most who oppose this T-SPLOST would also oppose any future tax increase for transportation.
I doubt that that is true. In a better economy there would be less opposition. Furthermore, if the governor and legislature wanted good-will in support of the issue, they should have discontinued the GA 400 toll as originally promised. Also, the Beltline project (and the King Center trolley) have far less to do with untying Atlanta than with graft and community development.
There is a good case to be made that the GA government can be disciplined about limiting spending and spending money on efforts that are realistic to solving real problems: it has been faithful in limiting the lottery to education and not raiding the money for pet projects; the gas tax has been scrupulously spent, insofar as the state government itself is concerned.
I will be voting for the TSPLOST myself, even though I disagree with some of the projects on the list because the state has been pretty reliable in not wasting as much public money as say California (see last night’s discussion), nor do they have a record of exploding projects, like say, Boston’s big dig.
While I do believe also that the Georgia DOT is a partly disfunctional bunch of boobs, it does still have and maintain some of the best road systems in the country, nearly all of which are toll-less.
the cat
July 20th, 2012
2:50 pm
Well dang carlosgvv-you have spoiled the fun.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
2:51 pm
0311 — (blather snipped)
And the goalpost-moving begins.
You asserted that the report itself cited “political correctness” as a root cause. I’d like for you to show me precisely where that term is contained within the report itself, please. Not “politically sensitive,” which is not the same thing (and I expect you’re smart enough to be able to tell the difference).
Show me where the report *itself* even *says* “political correctness.”
Recon 0311 2533
July 20th, 2012
2:52 pm
0311/8541,
is correct. It was pretty well concluded that there were more than just a few instances where his superiors avoided investigating his behavior that should been viewed as suspect.
the cat
July 20th, 2012
2:55 pm
When flags were at half staff after 9/11 was it politically motivated?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
2:58 pm
Recon 0311 2533:
Thank you …………….. they know the report nails “political correctness/insensitivity, etc., etc.”) as the cause for the murders of innocent people and they don’t like that.
Thus they argue “semantics” as opposed to the truth. Typical liberal response.
“Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, certain other religions, beliefs or ideologies, disability, and age-related contexts, and, as purported by the term, doing so to an excessive extent.”
I stand by my comment/opinion. The deaths at Ft. Hood were a result of “political correctness” as outlined in the report.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
3:00 pm
the cat:
No. We were a nation at war attacked by an enemy ………….. not a lone wolf psychotic murderer (which happens somewhere everyday).
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
3:00 pm
People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
I think there’s a correlation with inability to support your opinion and irritation level when challenged. It’s like those uncomfortable moments in school when you were spacing out and the teacher called your name.
Chris Sanchez
July 20th, 2012
3:00 pm
Jay:
This process did not have to be “highly politicized and contentious” to start with. If spending some money on traffic congestion and some on economic development was the goal then it should have been positioned as such. We’re big boys and girls out here and can handle the truth. What we cannot handle are more lies. You are right to call out Sonny Purdue’s actions that wiped out any trust in state government that might have still had a pulse. Extending the GA 400 toll will long be the rallying cry when state government comes to tax payers wanting more money. And it should.
The unintended consequence of Gov. Deal’s action to eliminate the GA 400 toll (call me doubting Thomas but I will believe that when I see it with my own eyes!) simply reinforces this sentiment. Had Deal acted in the first days or weeks of taking office, he would have been hailed for his bold action and his subsequent support of TSPLOST might have carried some weight with voters. Instead, his action is seen as a desperate attempt to woo voters: too little and most definitely too late!
For any politicians who might bother to read the comments of your blog, this is a freebie: we the people no longer trust you…ANY of you! We will look on every action you make as politically motivated to benefit you and your chances of being re-elected. We will be very skeptical of any spending or tax proposal you might support. We will likely do a better job of replacing you more often since we now understand that our politicians are in fact like diapers which should be changed often and for the same reason!
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
3:00 pm
Recon — “0311/8541, is correct.”
No, he’s not. He said this:
“Accorging to the just released report, the Ft. Hood massacre could probably have been prevented had the FBI not bowed to “political correctness” pressure.”
The report says nothing of the kind. That assertion was made by a Republican Congressman who was not connected to the investigation or report at all.
They BOTH suck
July 20th, 2012
3:02 pm
“Thus they argue “semantics” as opposed to the truth. ”
Is this the same guy who once defended Republicans while decrying Democrats for not being in the service during Vietnam by bringing out the definitions of “aviod” and “evade”?
Talking about semantics and side stepping
the cat
July 20th, 2012
3:03 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
3:00 pm
the cat:
No. We were a nation at war attacked by an enemy ………….. not a lone wolf psychotic murderer (which happens somewhere everyday).
Correct! Points to the need for more gun control.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
3:03 pm
I think there’s a correlation with inability to support your opinion and irritation level when challenged.
Absolutely.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
3:04 pm
0311 — “Recon 0311 2533: Thank you …………….. they know the report nails “political correctness/insensitivity, etc., etc.”) as the cause for the murders of innocent people and they don’t like that.”
No, we don’t like you making provably false statements and misrepresenting them as facts. If you have a subsidiary point to make about PC, that’s great, but don’t lie and claim that the report said that it was a cause. The report said no such thing.
“Thus they argue “semantics” as opposed to the truth. Typical liberal response.”
You said that the *report* made the statement. Then where does the report say that, please?
“Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, certain other religions, beliefs or ideologies, disability, and age-related contexts, and, as purported by the term, doing so to an excessive extent.”
And, of course, the report says nothing about that. However, a Republican Congressman did.
“I stand by my comment/opinion.”
Claiming that the report says something it doesn’t is not an opinion. It’s actually called lying.
“The deaths at Ft. Hood were a result of “political correctness” as outlined in the report.”
The report outlined no such thing. I challenge you to prove otherwise.
the cat
July 20th, 2012
3:04 pm
Oh no! A Boston mayor has come out and said No to Chickfila on his watch. Gee-what would Mittens say?
Recon 0311 2533
July 20th, 2012
3:05 pm
“When flags were at half staff after 9/11 was it politically motivated?”
Over 3000 lives lost on American soil caused by foreign invaders certainly merit our flags flying at half staff. Ordering flags at half mast in the aftermath of a crime incident that took lives is a bit unusual for a president but I don’t fault him for doing so.
Erwin's cat
July 20th, 2012
3:05 pm
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Erwin's cat
July 20th, 2012
3:06 pm
the cat – Mittens has already drawn that line in the sand
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
3:06 pm
Must have been political I guess when Bush ordered the flags across the nation and overseas to be be flown half-mast after VT.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
3:06 pm
Recon — “Ordering flags at half mast in the aftermath of a crime incident that took lives is a bit unusual for a president but I don’t fault him for doing so.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-staff#United_States
Atlas Shrugging
July 20th, 2012
3:07 pm
Everything oweboma does is politically motivated just like every other DEM-wit and REP-ugant politican..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
3:07 pm
Ordering flags at half mast in the aftermath of a crime incident that took lives is a bit unusual for a president but I don’t fault him for doing so.
More nonsense.
Obambarrassment
July 20th, 2012
3:08 pm
“They will know we are Christians by our love by our love”
Today’s “Christians” would feel more comfortable with:
“They will know we are Christians by our guns by our guns”
Or:
“They will know we are Christians by our hate by our hate”
No wonder it’s a dieing belief system.
Ira,
Your cynicism can’t compete with Christianity because Christianity is not cynicism, nor is it blind optimism. It is faith, hope and love to sum-up terms we can both understand.
You can say such a mean thing only about Christianity and only in a Christian nation. If you say such things about Islam in an Islamic nation, about communisim in a communist nation, or heck, even about Georgia in a bulldog nation, about Obama in an Obamanation, or about global warming at the UN, you will be much more viciously attacked than you are being now.
It is the truth of Christianity that allowed the descendents of Rome to emerge and thrive from its ashes, to convert even the invaders, built on the back of Martyrs, continuing through and leading civilization through the Dark Ages, establishing chivalry, creating societies that would become the most advanced, the most free and the best places to live for hundreds of years, where the dignity of peoples advanced in recognition and was upheld to this very day.
So when I read the oft-repeated pap about what in the liberal diaspora is known as dumb Christians and guns, I’m continuously amazed that it is such left ideologues who are saying this and calling Christians stupid.
The irony is that the truth is exactly backwards.
barking frog
July 20th, 2012
3:11 pm
The USA is a political division
of the Earth. The US Flag is
a political symbol of that
division. The POTUS is a
political officer of the USA
under a political contract
whereby the people agree
to be governed by a central
government restricted by
the contract.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
3:15 pm
Ob — “continuing through and leading civilization through the Dark Ages”
I disagree. I think a cogent case can be made that christianity has *retarded* mankind’s social and scientific progress for centuries. Far from being leaderly, christian sects have been instrumental in holding humanity *back.*
Recon 0311 2533
July 20th, 2012
3:18 pm
Joe, isn’t what you’re jumping on somewhat of a nit pic? I know that the P.C. term isn’t particularly liked by the left but the findings none the less pointed to senior officers in the Army avoiding investigating this guy’s radical behavior because of his Muslim connections and their fear of making waves. Just because a report didn’t specifically use the term “politically correct” the inference was still there.
Recon 0311 2533
July 20th, 2012
3:21 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-staff#United_States
Joe, and your point is?
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
3:21 pm
I think a cogent case can be made that christianity has *retarded* mankind’s social and scientific progress for centuries.
I’ll admit to a bias here since those heroic Christian leaders would have burned me at the stake.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
3:25 pm
Recon 0311 2533:
Thank you again. The report speaks for itself.
Notice again Joe wants to argue “semantics” rather than the meat of the report. That tells you a lot and is usually his modus operandi ……….. when he can’t debate the core subect he reverts to nit picking/semantics/personal attack.
I stand by my statement.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
3:27 pm
“In the United States, the President can issue an executive order for the flag of the United States to be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States government, and others, as a mark of respect to their memory.”
I guess U.S. troops being killed everyday in Afghanistan/Iraq are not worthy of this honor. Well, at least they get to be covered by the flag.
Got to run for the afternoon. Everyone be nice (Joe ……… you too).
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
3:27 pm
Recon — “Joe, isn’t what you’re jumping on somewhat of a nit pic?”
As I said, if 0311 wants to talk about PC, we can do that. But his first post on the topic said that the *report itself* pointed to PC as a cause, and it didn’t. It was a Republican Congressman who wasn’t even connected with the report (who said it).
This is how misinformation gets reproduced and transmitted throughout our society; someone makes a misstatement like 0311 did, and others repeat it. The fact of the matter is that the report *itself* said nothing of the sort.
“I know that the P.C. term isn’t particularly liked by the left but the findings none the less pointed to senior officers in the Army avoiding investigating this guy’s radical behavior because of his Muslim connections and their fear of making waves.”
I don’t reject that, and it’s certainly something we can discuss if you want.
“Just because a report didn’t specifically use the term “politically correct” the inference was still there.”
Inference does not evidence make. There *could* have been other factors in play; so why are y’all so keen to discuss a possible factor that the report doesn’t even *mention?* It makes me think that you were *expecting* PC to be a factor and you’re trying to make it one even if the report doesn’t mention it.
Jefferson
July 20th, 2012
3:27 pm
A nut case on an Army base is not a good thing.
Recon 0311 2533
July 20th, 2012
3:27 pm
I see that Keep up the good fight is still fighting to post nonsense.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
3:28 pm
Recon — “Joe, and your point is?”
No point, just sharing it. I figured that non-veterans might not be aware of the extensive regulations surrounding flaq etiquette and display.
FWIW, I’ve got a neighbor I constantly have to correct. He’s a nice guy and he means well, but he doesn’t know jack about how to display his flags.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
3:32 pm
0311 — “Notice again Joe wants to argue “semantics” rather than the meat of the report.”
Uh, no. The meat of the report does not contain the assertion about PC that you claimed it does. That’s simply a falsehood on your part.
“That tells you a lot and is usually his modus operandi ……….. when he can’t debate the core subect”
I’m *confronting* the core subject — the content of the report. You’re making claims about material being in it that provably is not.
“he reverts to nit picking/semantics/personal attack.”
I have made no personal attack on you whatsoever during this discussion. I’m sure you’d like for me to, but I have been very pointed and specific in my critique.
The report does not say what you claimed it did. You are falsely claiming that the report cites PC as a cause.
“I stand by my statement.”
Your statement is provably false. I stand by my request that you show us where in the report “political correctness” is asserted as a root or contributing cause to the massacre.
East Lake Ira
July 20th, 2012
3:37 pm
Obambarrassment,
My point was and is that most Xians on this board are hypocrites who would no more adhere to Christ’s teachings than they would believe liberals love this country just as much as they do.
They wear their crosses around their necks with pride while spewing hatred and vitriol.
They are not Christians despite what they call themselves.
As far as your comparisons to other countries, who the f&^% cares? We’re in the US where we can say (with practical limits) whatever the heck we want.
I don’t care whether you call your sky ghost God, Yahweh, Allah, Baal, Bhagavan, Nirankar, Huwa, or Ahura Mazda. It’s all the same to me.
Just try to be nice to one another in the real world and should you meet some ghost after you die, it’ll like you a whole lot better if you weren’t an a-hole while you were here.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
3:42 pm
Recon, of course you are too cowardly to admit you were wrong and to make some nonsense up about Obama doing the very same thing Bush did….. you really have no ability to be truthful or honest.
Recon 0311 2533
July 20th, 2012
3:42 pm
Joe, conversely it sounds like you’re trying to escape not from the term PC but rather its implication. Lets say it another way…reports of this Ft. Hood incident concluded that it might have been avoided if senior officers had followed up and investigated reports that the shooter had made statements supporting radical Islam and reports that he was in contact with suspected jihadists. Their failure to do so appears to have been a result of their concern that investigating the Major would inflame the Muslim community and cause an uncomfortable political issue for the Army.
Recon 0311 2533
July 20th, 2012
3:50 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight,
Let me be even more cowardly and tell you that you call me a liar, you should know that I’m convinced that you’re not only a liar but also an ass. Now that we’re completely out in the open about how we view each other lets now ignore each others posts. You may go first or if you prefer, I will.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
3:52 pm
Recon — “Joe, conversely it sounds like you’re trying to escape not from the term PC but rather its implication.”
I’m perfectly willing to discuss the implication. However, I’d like it recognized that the report *itself* did not assert that PC was a contributing cause to the massacre.
“Lets say it another way…reports of this Ft. Hood incident concluded that it might have been avoided if senior officers had followed up and investigated reports that the shooter had made statements supporting radical Islam and reports that he was in contact with suspected jihadists.”
Sure. However, do we know that PC was to blame for that? What were the *cited* reasons for senior officers not following up? We both know that officers can screw up as well as an enlisted man can, so among those officers who didn’t follow up — did they say *why* they didn’t follow up?
“Their failure to do so appears to have been a result of their concern that investigating the Major would inflame the Muslim community and cause an uncomfortable political issue for the Army.”
Does the report *itself* draw that conclusion, or is that your take (or someone else’s take) on the situation?
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
3:53 pm
you’re not only a liar but also an ass.
Somebody needs to hit the musical sheets.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
3:53 pm
Recon — “Now that we’re completely out in the open about how we view each other”
Oh, get a ROOM, you two. (laughing)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
3:53 pm
Recon, sorry squirt. I intend to keep calling out your lies and cowardice. Again, squirt, Bush called for flags to be at half-mast after VT. Sorry you can’t face reality. If you can’t just admit you are wrong and have to resort to more lies, then you just continue to show your weakness.
Recon 0311 2533
July 20th, 2012
4:02 pm
“Does the report *itself* draw that conclusion, or is that your take (or someone else’s take) on the situation?”
Joe, my take from the reports that I recall and a reasonable conclusion that many have made. I was only paraphrasing and removing the term, political correctness.
Recon 0311 2533
July 20th, 2012
4:04 pm
My my, a little temper tantrum on the left.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
4:08 pm
Recon — “Joe, my take from the reports that I recall and a reasonable conclusion that many have made.”
I’m seriously not trying to be a Richard here, but I’m interested in what the repot *actually says.* We can get to what others *think about* what it says, but I don’t think we can have an honest discussion about it without starting from what the report *actually says.*
Can you work with me on that?
“I was only paraphrasing and removing the term, political correctness.”
Paraphrasing leads to misunderstanding. Interpretations lead to misunderstanding. Rewording leads to misunderstanding. Can we please START with what the report ACTUALLY says or not?
Recon 0311 2533
July 20th, 2012
4:20 pm
Joe,
I could report that it’s a cloudy day and you could disagree and tell me I should have reported it as an overcast day. We all can read the same report and interpret it as we truly see it or how we don’t want to see. Have a great weekend
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
July 20th, 2012
4:22 pm
I pay too many taxes I have no say about. With Obamacare on the way (and plenty more where that came from), there is no way I am going to vote to pay more. Additionally, if it does pass, we will find out five or ten years down the road that some onerous percentage of the funds went to prop up MARTA.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
4:24 pm
Recon — “Joe, I could report that it’s a cloudy day and you could disagree and tell me I should have reported it as an overcast day.”
Nope.
The fact remains that 0311 specifically said that the report said something that it does not say. That’s untruthful.
“We all can read the same report and interpret it as we truly see it or how we don’t want to see.”
However, we can also read the report and FACTUALLY DETERMINE what it does and does not say. The fact that you and 0311 clearly don’t want to do that makes me very suspicious of your current and future motives. It’s a shame, because I thought Marines were trained to be truthful, no matter what.
“Have a great weekend”
And you as well.
Obambarrassment
July 20th, 2012
5:28 pm
Ira,
All Christians are hypocrites, for the simple reason that we try to be perfect and are not. The difference is that while Christians admit that there is sin and fault, the modern world denies it. Moderns deny good and evil actually, and yet they claim through quite tortured logic that Christians themselves are particularly evil. Lately, the focus of wrong-doing concerns the Tea Party–just look at the fool George Stephanopolous (left-wing raconteur, as well as Brian Ross) made of himself this morning.
The reason you can say whatever the F you want in America is because America has a Christian heritage, (that is, it was Christian before it was a nation) because Americans descended from Britain, (and Europe) which had a Christian heritage, because Britain descended from the Germanic tribes, who gained a Christian heritage, which descended religiously from Rome, which had a Christian heritage, which descended from the Apostles, the original Christians.
Despite what you seem to know about the members of this group, I don’t think any reasonable person can see what you see, who is not a leftist themselves. It occurs to me that, as it should to everyone else who reads your rude rhetoric, that perhaps it isn’t that Christians are more rude than anyone else, but that they must be so in your mind, in order that what leftists say may be overlooked, instead of being seen for the uncommon nonsense that it is.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
5:44 pm
Ob — “The difference is that while Christians admit that there is sin and fault, the modern world denies it.”
Sin is a religious concept and is confined to those religions that include the concept in their faith tradition. As an atheist, I do not recognize the concept of sin and so do not commit any form of sin.
When I eat pork, I do not sin against islam since I am not a muslim.
When I work on Saturday, I do not sin against judaism since I am not a jew.
Therefore, how and when would I commit christian sin when I’m not a christian?
“The reason you can say whatever the F you want in America is because America has a Christian heritage”
No. The reason we can do that is because We The People explicitly reserved that right for ourselves in our Constitution.
“Despite what you seem to know about the members of this group, I don’t think any reasonable person can see what you see, who is not a leftist themselves. It occurs to me that, as it should to everyone else who reads your rude rhetoric, that perhaps it isn’t that Christians are more rude than anyone else, but that they must be so in your mind, in order that what leftists say may be overlooked, instead of being seen for the uncommon nonsense that it is.”
Word salad, order up! (laughing)
Corey
July 20th, 2012
7:22 pm
Forgive me for straying off topic, but while in Rome… As an agnostic I must admit that I find Christians with a liberal worldview are loving and forgiving Christians while Christians with a conservative worldview are authorative and less forgiving Christians.
Corey
July 20th, 2012
7:28 pm
May I also add that through observation I have noticed that the arc of Christianity bends toward a more loving and forgiving worldview, but the authorative Christians demand to be heard and feel compelled to use their brand of Christianity to force the government’s hand.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
7:53 pm
YAWN ……………….
Headline (Fox News): “Fort Hood report faults FBI for missteps in Hasan review, cites political correctness”
“A long-awaited report on the Fort Hood shooting faults the FBI for numerous failures in the run-up to the massacre that left 13 dead, concluding that agents’ assessment of the gunman, Maj. Nidal Hasan, was “belated, incomplete and rushed” — and suggesting political correctness played a role in the bureau’s decision not to investigate him more thoroughly.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/19/fort-hood-report-recommends-many-changes-for-fbi-no-disciplinary-action/#ixzz21D1Dddyb
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
7:56 pm
Recon 0311 2533 :
You know, the other day the weatherman issued a warning that thunderstorms were on they way and that we should expect downpours due to heavy precipitation.
Guess what? I told someone on here the weather report said it was going to “rain real hard” and they called me a liar.
Go figure.
Obama/Biden 2012
July 20th, 2012
9:22 pm
。☆ 。☆。☆
★。＼｜／。★
Obama 4 MORE
–Deal with it TroIIs–
★。／｜＼。★
。☆。 。☆。
n
July 21st, 2012
11:10 am
Amend the gas tax law to allow for transit funding.
Corey
July 21st, 2012
1:35 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
1:55 pm
When I pointed out to a conservative Christian that the final words of the New Testament were the words of the bishops who attended the Synod of Carthage in the year Circa 397, more specifically Bishop Athanasius, and not Jesus dictating those words, I swear if that dude had a gun he would have shot me.
Richard
July 21st, 2012
7:20 pm
Personally, I think the idea of regionalism is rediculous. First, I don’t ever remember voting on this extra level of government. Secondly, although at first glance it may appear that the counties selected for a certain group look similar, most in case are not. Douglas County, which sits outside of I-285, has NO MARTA support, yet part of our State Taxes pay for it. Now they want a 1% sales tax where 52% of the money collected is set aside for MARTA. Douglas Co., was just selected by the government for special relief because of the drought. Does this seem similar to Downtown Atlanta? Maybe MARTA should be privatized since it has a better chance of survival without more taxes, than if our inefficient government runs it. When you have to make a profit for the stock owners, you have to become more efficient or you fail. Please show me one thing in our government to day that is run more efficiently than the private sector. Medicare? Medicade? Social Security? Tricare? We have more oversight than the private sector, yet we spend a lot more money for less services.
getalife
July 22nd, 2012
1:39 pm
More violence in Anaheim .
Tensions are high.
middleground
July 22nd, 2012
6:13 pm
TSLPOST will be bigger than the YAZOO LAND FRAUD boondoggel. Just wait until electronic voting makes taking tax money just so easy.
Adam
July 23rd, 2012
10:45 am
TBG: Do you really think my comments represent the left? Have you found anyone else actually suggest Rush is responsible even in jest?
And no, we won’t be talking about gun control because Demmy’s are too scared. And we won’t talk about mental health because …. Demmy’s are too scared. People will continue to go insane, buy tons of ordinance online legally with no red flags, and shoot people up all because Demmy’s are too scared to talk about this stuff. The NRA has won – they have scared the Democrats off. And since Republicans all have to either support gun rights to their extreme and defunding health care to the extreme or GTFO of the party, they won’t pipe up and suggest gun control or mental health help either. I fully expect far righties to start calling Bill Kristol a flaming liberal, if that hasn’t happened already.
D man
July 25th, 2012
8:14 am
I believe we do need road improvements but politicians have taken the easy way out by putting a new tax on the ballot. We are already giving the government trillions of dollars to use for whatever they feel is most important. If they want to improve roads then take money away from a lesser important program or project and use it for road improvements. It IS THAT SIMPLE. What is more important, paying for the “arts” or new roads? Paying for a new stadium or new roads? Paying for anything that is not as important as new roads or new roads? Stop asking me for more money. I already pay about 50cents of every dollar I make to the government in taxes. If you politicians are too lazy to do your job of better managing our money, then step aside and let someone else try.
getalife
July 26th, 2012
10:42 pm
scout,
Even your favorite rag drudgey is attacking your kook:
“ROMNEY QUESTIONS IF BRITS ARE READY” drudgey.
getalife
July 26th, 2012
10:43 pm
fox news attacked your kook.
You cons are losing it big time.