A Plan B should TSPLOST fail? Realistically, I doubt it
So is there a Plan B should metro Atlanta reject the one-penny sales tax for transportation?
Theoretically, sure there is. State law says regional leaders can propose another list of projects to voters in two years, when many who oppose the current list argue that a “better” list would be more likely to win voter approval.
That’s wishful thinking. The same political forces that produced a list that is too heavy on transit to some, and too light on transit to others, will still be in play come 2014, and at best will produce a list much like this one.
Besides, let’s be honest: Most who oppose this T-SPLOST would also oppose any future tax increase for transportation. Their opposition is based not on these specific projects but on the idea of a transportation tax increase, period. That will not change.
And frankly, I doubt that two years from now, public officials would be able to agree on any list at all. As highly politicized and contentious as this process has become, elected local officials will be much less willing to engage again in the give-and-take that was necessary to produce the current list, and much more likely to grandstand in defense of their own small corner of the region.
For example, even if Cobb County Chairman Tim Lee survives his current primary challenge, I doubt he’ll be willing to stick his neck out once again on behalf of regional projects. If Lee does not survive, his fate will become an object lesson for other local officials. The spirit of cooperation that allowed regional leaders to support the current list unanimously will never be recaptured should voters reject this plan.
And of course, if the measure does fail, it won’t be hard to find people to blame. Near the top of the list will be former Gov. Sonny Perdue, who year after year told Georgia to Go Fish rather than focus on transportation, and who in the end left us this convoluted funding mechanism as his legacy.
In his last days in office, Perdue also broke the state’s longstanding pledge not to extend tolls on Georgia 400, shattering what was left of public faith that political leaders will keep their word on such issues. And while Gov. Nathan Deal’s announcement this week that he would end the extended tolls at the end of 2013 explicitly acknowledges the damage done by Perdue’s move, it may have come too late.
Fingers will also be pointed at state legislative leaders, who shucked off responsibility for making tough decisions onto local leaders, then sat back and in some cases took potshots at what those local elected leaders decided.
In the end, though, the failure will be our own. This will be the first time in the history of the Atlanta region that it has the chance to actually debate, vote and act as a region. Defeat would mean that we failed that test. It would mean that voters inside the perimeter became too concerned that voters outside the perimeter might be getting a better deal, and vice versa, and that voters in general lacked faith in their public institutions to perform what is really a very basic function of government.
And if we prove to have no faith in our leaders or institutions, why should outsiders looking to invest time, energy and money have that faith either?
– Jay Bookman
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477 comments Add your comment
Woodstock Mike
July 20th, 2012
12:52 pm
It’s actually scary watching some of these anti-capitalism gatherings that Obama is having…
Pretty soon, they will be chanting “death to America” like they do in Iran.
Oblama
July 20th, 2012
12:52 pm
Kamchak – I tell the truth and you only dream.
the cat
July 20th, 2012
12:53 pm
Hon, I didn’t say that, you did. I was just pointing out how stupid you are.
Woodstock Mike
July 20th, 2012
12:49 pm
@the cat
So, are you saying you think Rush Limbaugh is responsible for some 24 year old kid killing a bunch of innocent people? And I’m the simple one? Wow…
Woodstock Mike
July 20th, 2012
12:54 pm
@the cat
You need to go way back and actually read if you know how to…
Boris Badnoff
July 20th, 2012
12:54 pm
Congestion could be eliminated if everyone would just stay home and blog and leave the streets to me and ice cream trucks.
Every time there is a tragedy such as the shooting at Virginia Tech or the theater in Colorado political vultures descend trying to score points for their side instead of just mourning the dead. So we are being told that the shooter at the movie was a Tea Party member while others are claiming that he was a registered Democrat. He isn’t important. The people who died are. Give it a rest.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
12:54 pm
Mike — “So Joe, do you think that Obama isn’t pitting unemployed and middle class people against other Americans? Do you really believe that?”
You’ve said a lot of clueless and ignorant things since I’ve been posting here, but this has got to be the most singularly clueless and ignorant of them all.
If you’ve got a point to make, then make it calmly and coherently, because this foaming-at-the-mouth Obama Derangement Syndrome isn’t going to win y’all any support.
Personally, I prefer candidates whose supporters don’t behave like they’ve got bees in their collective bonnet.
the cat
July 20th, 2012
12:55 pm
Mikey-Adam said that many pages ago in what he thought was a joke. He was called on it. Why don’t you try reading for comprehension?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
12:56 pm
Mike — “It’s actually scary watching some of these anti-capitalism gatherings that Obama is having…”
And the blatant dishonesty continues.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 20th, 2012
12:56 pm
Oblama
If you’re just gonna make sh*t up, there’s no sense in being half-assed about it.
HOT AIR
July 20th, 2012
12:57 pm
There are many on the left and some on the right that are indeed intolerant of Christians……. in part because they want their lifestyle justified when it is in direct opposition to the word of God known as the Bible.
Jm
July 20th, 2012
12:57 pm
America needs a beer summit
Obama not invited
Oblama
July 20th, 2012
12:59 pm
Kamchak _ It’s the truth but I’m not here to convince you. I was asked if I’m fat and lazy and I answered. I know you want me to be fat and lazy – sorry to disappoint.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
1:01 pm
H. AIR — “There are many on the left and some on the right that are indeed intolerant of Christians…”
Refusing to knuckle under to how people like you demand others live their lives is not intolerance.
“. in part because they want their lifestyle justified”
No one needs or requires your justification.
“when it is in direct opposition to the word of God known as the Bible.”
Enjoy your god to whatever extent you wish. Just don’t expect that everyone else is going to agree with you or submit to whatever ‘authority’ you imagine your religion grants you.
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
1:01 pm
And the blatant dishonesty continues.
Followed by raging paranoia. In Obama Derangement Syndrome, they go together like milk and cookies.
Jefferson
July 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
On the sidebar issue about Chik fil… seems to me if gays stay away from there that is what the owner wants, but if open affection and big time visability were to happen it would be a stick in the spokes, which — who knows what that would do, could go either way.
G.I. Joe
July 20th, 2012
1:05 pm
Prove Oblama is lying or move on to something relevant. You didn’t like Oblama’s answer to your question so you call Oblama a liar. On what do you base your accusation and why is that important any way?
Jackie
July 20th, 2012
1:06 pm
What are anti-capitalism gatherings?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
1:07 pm
G.I. Joe — “Prove Oblama is lying or move on to something relevant.”
Shove off, Threadmarm.
Adam
July 20th, 2012
1:09 pm
What I find offensive is people who claim to be Christian and who think that the government should be completely excluded from the goal of helping the poor, the sick, and the elderly, as well as thinking that Jesus supported gun rights somehow. I grew up Christian, and Jesus was about kindness, helping the poor and the elderly and the sick, and about non-violent action.
No one really knows what he would say about guns, but I can say for sure that simply having one on your person is much more likely, statistically, to DECREASE your chances of survival in a violent encounter than it is to increase your chances. This is a FACT that many pro-gun people ignore, presumably because they think if they admit that one little thing somehow the entire 2nd amendment will be instantly deleted from the Constitution.
D man
July 20th, 2012
1:09 pm
NO to the tax increase. I am paying too much of my hard earned money to this mismanaged government of ours already. They need to audit where the taxes we are giving them today are going, eliminate the waste, and redistribute what we give them and then they would have plenty for road projects.
RB from Gwinnett
July 20th, 2012
1:12 pm
Aquagirl and Joe, “Intolerance is saying something should not be permitted. You seem to have confused this with irreverent comments that hurt your fee-fees. Those are not the same things.”
So, by that “logic”, we can make fun of gays, call them names, tell jokes about them, pretty much anything we want as long as we don’t tell them to stop and that won’t be considered hate by you. Right? And blacks? And every other class who accuses white Christians of hating them?
I don’t think so!!
BW
July 20th, 2012
1:14 pm
Wow Jay…this discussion has slipped way off topic LOL
Steve - USA "None of the Above"
July 20th, 2012
1:14 pm
Adam – Did everyone hear about the Limbaugh induced bulletproof vest wearing shoot-em-up in Colorado?
Oh, my bad. It’s probably just another “isolated incident” perpetuated by another “lone gunman” who was “just crazy.”
MoveAlong.com, nothing to see here….
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Way to try to score political points why the bodies are still warm and the facts are still cold.
Classy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 20th, 2012
1:14 pm
I know you want me to be fat and lazy –
Time for you to take that crystal ball of yours in for it’s 60mo/60,000 visions check up as it is failing you now.
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Prove Oblama is lying or move on to something relevant
le petit caporal ……………… has …….. a …………………. new ……… sock-puppet.
HOT AIR
July 20th, 2012
1:15 pm
A true Chrsitian does not demand or pressure others live their life style……… Jesus did not push his beliefs on anyone….. only those willing to listen which requires an open mind. God gives you a free will to decide for yourself. It is up to you to decide for yourself. True Christians do not force themselves or their beliefs on others. If you are willing to listen they will explain God’s message – if not you are free to go. If you don’t like this answer you are intolerant of Christians.
DEAinATL
July 20th, 2012
1:16 pm
“how about looking in the mirror, and asking what your parents and grandparents had that you ain’t got?”
3 per cent sales tax
Charles Douglas Edwards
July 20th, 2012
1:16 pm
I believe that sometimes things should be explained in a simple manner.
If a person spends $1,000 monthly in Fulton Couny (8%) they can buy $920 worth of merchandise.
If TSPLOST passes in Fulton County (9%) they can purchase $910 worth of merchandise.
That is $10 less in purchasing power per month. It is $120 less in purchasing power per year.
I believe that TSPLOST shoule be defeated.
THANKS !!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
1:18 pm
Way to try to score political points
whywhile the bodies are still warm and the facts are still cold. Classy.Please be sure to post that letter you are writing to remind Louie to be classy.
RB from Gwinnett
July 20th, 2012
1:19 pm
Adam, you continue to confuse needy with poor. Nobody has a problem helping people in need, but the majority of our poor are not needy. The need to change the behaviors that keep them poor.
Adam
July 20th, 2012
1:21 pm
HOT AIR: That may be so, but to claim that the government should not be involved when the majority of the population actually supports the goal of helping the poor, the sick, and the elderly over long periods of time (this is not counting the more recent years when people just don’t like paying taxes for personal reasons) is to go AGAINST Christian teaching. Jesus said nothing about government needing to be excluded as a vehicle to support those goals, nor did he say those goals are exclusively the property of Christians.
Oblama
July 20th, 2012
1:21 pm
Adam – Most of what you say about Jesus is correct. I don’t know how Jesus got associated with gun rights since guns didn’t exist. The Constitution gives us to bare arms. You probably know that. Insane people and felons shouldn’t have guns however.
Adam
July 20th, 2012
1:22 pm
RB: Nobody has a problem helping people in need, but the majority of our poor are not needy
I look forward to:
1) Your proof that the majority of poor are not needy
2) Your prescription for how to legislate how one would determine the difference between one who is poor and one who is needy.
Adam
July 20th, 2012
1:24 pm
Oblama: I agree. However, I do think we would have less insane people and felons if we had much better mental health focus for the general population and extra help for the mentally ill. Education helps a lot of people also.
Steve - USA "None of the Above"
July 20th, 2012
1:24 pm
Keep – “Please be sure to post that letter you are writing to remind Louie to be classy.”
If Louie had posted that here I would tell him the same thing. Thankfully my email box isn’t filled with talking points like you.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
1:24 pm
RB — “So, by that “logic”, we can make fun of gays, call them names, tell jokes about them, pretty much anything we want as long as we don’t tell them to stop and that won’t be considered hate by you. Right? And blacks? And every other class who accuses white Christians of hating them? I don’t think so!!”
Who asked you to think?
You don’t even seem to have a good handle on coherent thoughts in your *own* head; given that, you’re certainly not capable of making sense of what’s in someone’s else’s head.
Adam
July 20th, 2012
1:25 pm
Not to put too fine a point on it, but saying some poor are not needy is a distinction without a difference, and meant only to be DIVISIVE.
HOT AIR
July 20th, 2012
1:26 pm
Most governments opposed Jesus and his teachings. They considered him a threat to their authority and control over the citizens. The term “poor’ has been expanded beyond it’s original meaning by those on the left. If you don’t have a car, a wide screen color TV, a computer or a cell phone you are considered poor.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 20th, 2012
1:28 pm
The Constitution gives us to bare arms.
I think you are confusing the Constitution with Givenchy.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
1:29 pm
Thankfully my email box isn’t filled with talking points like you.
Way to stay classy Steve
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
1:29 pm
H. AIR — “A true Chrsitian does not demand or pressure others live their life style……”
Then clean up your own faith community before you go mucking around with others.
” Jesus did not push his beliefs on anyone…..”
I’m not talking to jesus. I’m talking to *you.*
“only those willing to listen which requires an open mind. God gives you a free will to decide for yourself.”
Your imaginary god did no such thing.
“It is up to you to decide for yourself.”
Oh, please. It’s *specifically* the people who have ALREADY decided for themselves that y’all seem to have so much trouble with. If you *really* think that it’s up to individuals to decide for themselves, then take a hike when someone decided *against* adhering to your faith.
“True Christians do not force themselves or their beliefs on others.”
Once again, go clean up your own faith community before getting involved in the affairs of others.
“If you are willing to listen they will explain God’s message – if not you are free to go.”
You and your associates seem to be under the mistaken impression that everyone within speaking distance hasn’t heard that message a hundred times before. Yes, I heard it, I don’t agree, and hearing it again won’t change anything. Leave me alone, please.
“If you don’t like this answer you are intolerant of Christians.”
Complete pigswill. I’m not at all intolerant of you. I just think you’re full of nonsense.
RB from Gwinnett
July 20th, 2012
1:31 pm
Adam, there are nearly 3 times as many illegals here doing jobs people in the ranks of our “poor” won’t do, even though those are the only jobs they’re qualified to do. If you can’t see that that is a “millions of people” problem, there is no helping you.
Question, what jobs do you think the 56% of APS students who don’t finish HS are qualified for?
D man
July 20th, 2012
1:32 pm
Charles Douglas Edward – good point. I want to add to your statement. I you earn $1000 working, you pay an average fed and state tax of 32% which would be $680 left to spend. Now take that and everything you buy is now at 9 cents taxed you lose another $60 bucks leaving you $620 to spend. Then you also have to take into consideration all of the hidden taxes in the products we buy. After you factor that in, you are left with about half what you started with. Sucks doesn’t it? And they want more…
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
1:32 pm
So, by that “logic”, we can make fun of gays, call them names, tell jokes about them, pretty much anything we want as long as we don’t tell them to stop and that won’t be considered hate by you.
Who said anything about hate? You were ranting about “intolerant libs.” If you think what I said is hateful that’s certainly up for debate but I’m not cut and ripped like Oblama and I can’t keep up with goalposts moving at 100 MPH.
If you think my statements about Christianity are irreverent or even hateful, just say so. I won’t cry, I promise.
Steve - USA "None of the Above"
July 20th, 2012
1:34 pm
Keep-
Weak. You jumped in to be snarky and got called out. Sorry if the truth hurts.
G.I. Joe
July 20th, 2012
1:35 pm
The number of people on disability has TRIPLED since 1202. Lawyer are on TV saying they can SUPERSIZE your payment from the government. No one goes back 5 years later to see if these people are still disabled – if they were to begin with. Disability is the new welfare.
Are there some that need disability? Yes but not triple in 10 years. The program is unmonitored and out of control. Reminds me of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the lack of government oversight there.
barking frog
July 20th, 2012
1:35 pm
Crazy people with guns may
be plan B for Atlanta congestion.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
1:37 pm
If you don’t have a car, a wide screen color TV, a computer or a cell phone you are considered poor.
What? They can have a shelter, food and clothing? Sure 1/2 of Americans have an aggregate of 1.1% of the nation’s total wealth. But hey, let them eat cake.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 20th, 2012
1:38 pm
Fannie and Freddie?
Debunked countless time here.
barking frog
July 20th, 2012
1:39 pm
Question, what jobs do you
think the 56% of APS
students who don’t finish HS
are qualified for?
…………
Georgia Legislature.
Jm
July 20th, 2012
1:40 pm
Pigswill?
Different than Godswill?
D man
July 20th, 2012
1:40 pm
Good one barking frog. Lol
Jm
July 20th, 2012
1:42 pm
“Fannie and Freddie?
Debunked countless time here.”
Nope
G.I. Joe
July 20th, 2012
1:42 pm
No need talking to Mama about Christianity… closed mind. Mama can say “fictitious” God but Mama doesn’t know it all yet….. though Mama thinks so.
Jm
July 20th, 2012
1:43 pm
Frog
Charles Douglas Edwards
July 20th, 2012
1:43 pm
Correction !!!
I believe that sometimes things should be explained in a simple manner.
If a person spends $1,000 monthly in Fulton County (8%) the total cost is $1,080.
If T-SPOST passes a person spending $1,000 monthly in Fulton County (9%) the total cost would be $1,090.
That is $10 more per month. It is $120 more per year.
I believe that T-SPLOST should be defeated
THANKS !!!
Illegal Immigrant
July 20th, 2012
1:45 pm
I know God is real because God has spoken to me loud and clear.
Oblama
July 20th, 2012
1:47 pm
TSPLOST! Traffic and pollution and to many people. Prime reasons I no longer live in the city.
RB from Gwinnett
July 20th, 2012
1:47 pm
Joe, it’s funny to see you start the name calling routine when your proven wrong or foolish. Happens every time.
Keep on hating Christians though, Joe. It might not come back to haunt you someday….
barking frog
July 20th, 2012
1:48 pm
Illegal Immigrant
July 20th, 2012
1:45 pm
I know God is real because
God has spoken to me loud
and clear.
….
For TSPLOST ?
That Black Guy
July 20th, 2012
1:50 pm
larry
July 20th, 2012
10:58 am
I was wondering when the tragedy in Colorado was going to get politized .
Thank you , Woodstock.
Oy.
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and
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Fly-On-The-Wall
July 20th, 2012
10:59 am
Geez Woodstock Mike,
Can you not give Obama a break? Do you dislike him that much that in a situation such as this you still are a partisan hack?
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Do you guys only notice pilitical jackassery when it comes from the “other” side?
Didn’t notice this?
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Adam
July 20th, 2012
8:18 am
Did everyone hear about the Limbaugh induced bulletproof vest wearing shoot-em-up in Colorado?
Oh, my bad. It’s probably just another “isolated incident” perpetuated by another “lone gunman” who was “just crazy.”
MoveAlong.com, nothing to see here….
————-or this————-
Adam
July 20th, 2012
8:30 am
In Limbaugh’s words: “Do you think it’s a COINCIDENCE that I, Limbaugh, spoke about how the Batman movie was a Democrat plot and some man shot up the place at a midnight showing of that movie?”
———————-or this———————
Adam
July 20th, 2012
9:06 am
godless, cat, It wasn’t actually a quote. I made it up.
I also made up the idea that Limbaugh is responsible.
GOTCHA!
But in all seriousness I am sure Limbaugh will say something about this, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he made the accusation that a liberal was the gunman and he was trying to scare us all into gun control
——————–or this——————–
Adam
July 20th, 2012
9:09 am
In fact I expect the following from the right about the shooting incident:
-”isolated incident”
-It’s the liberals fault
-Don’t respond with gun control
-Don’t respond with metal detectors
What I DON’T expect to hear from the right: “We need to help the mentally ill”
I am sure there will be other nonsense, like maybe how big government is the reason we even have midnight showings or something.
ALL THAT just slipped by ya huh?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 20th, 2012
1:50 pm
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.
During those same explosive three years, private investment banks — not Fannie and Freddie — dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.
VOTE NO FOR T-SPLOST !
July 20th, 2012
1:51 pm
VOTE NO FOR T-SPLOST !!! Let them utilize the $$$ they will now be getting from “on-line” lottery sales (just announced yesterday) for this debacle. That alone showed that our fine state doesn’t care a bit about “their people.”
T-SPLOST is supposed to “UNTANGLE” the “TANGLED UP MESS” these SAME PEOPLE “TANGLED UP” to begin with !!!! VOTE NO NO NO for T-SPLOST !!!
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
1:52 pm
G. I. Joe — “Reminds me of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the lack of government oversight there.”
ALERT ALERT ALERT
Unauthorized anti-conservative expression in Line 10
Report for Conservative Re-Education, Comrade. Every good little conservative *knows* that it was *excessive* government regulation, involvement and oversight that caused the FNMA/FHLMC failures.
Of course, the actual *truth* is different, but they just *know* otherwise.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
1:55 pm
G. I. Joe — “No need talking to Mama about Christianity… closed mind.”
Clueless GI says what? (laughing)
Y’all clearly don’t know that lots of atheists are *former* theists. In fact, one of the surest ways to become an atheist is to pay real close attention to what y’all say in your holy books.
Go ahead and assume that I’m ignorant of your religion, it’s precepts and practices. I love it when christians do that.
“Mama can say “fictitious” God but Mama doesn’t know it all yet….. though Mama thinks so.”
Joe Mama *knows* so.
Thomas
July 20th, 2012
1:57 pm
James Holmes- what else would you expect from a jihadist black dude wearing a hoodie?
Jeepers creepers- could not imagine being the family and friends of this horrible shooting.
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
1:58 pm
Keep on hating Christians though, Joe. It might not come back to haunt you someday….
You might not burn in an eternity of hellfire and endless torment….I’m just, y’know, sayin’.
Nobody hates Christians for worshiping Jesus. Why would anyone care? Jesus as a sockpuppet for passive-aggressive behavior or bludgeon controlling other people’s lives—that’s different.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
2:00 pm
RB — “Joe, it’s funny to see you start the name calling routine when your proven wrong or foolish. Happens every time.”
Well, yes, it would be if it ever happened. Let me know if it ever does, K? (laughing)
The fact of the matter is that you’re making wild guesses about what Aquagirl and I are saying, you’re completely off the mark and you’re too wound up in your own prejudices to slow down and *dicuss* the topic — which leads to you making those sorts of wild, unfounded and overarching assessments. Sorry, Punkin, but your wild guesses don’t *prove* anything. (laughing)
“Keep on hating Christians though, Joe.”
Silly boy. I don’t hate christians. I just don’t show them the deference they constantly demand.
“It might not come back to haunt you someday….”
Oooh, metaphysical christian threats! Follow my god or burn! (laughing)
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
2:06 pm
Accorging to the just released report, the Ft. Hood massacre could probably have been prevented had the FBI not bowed to “political correctness” pressure.
I am sure a “report” will be issued regarding the Denver shooting and I am wondering what steps were not taken that could have prevented that incident. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
In the meantime, based on his skills I am thankful he did not blow up the entire movie theater (or his apartment complex with explosives), or burn them down or run his vehicle at 60 mph into the line of movie goers waiting to get in. All could have involved even greater loss of life.
Finally, it’s too bad that an off-duty officer or legal gun toter wasn’t available to end the carnage. Notice how the coward wimped out when the police arrived.
getalife
July 20th, 2012
2:08 pm
odrama.
Yeah, right and I compete in triathlons.
Are you lying odrama because you usually do.
barking frog
July 20th, 2012
2:08 pm
JoeHusseinMama
My Summa Meta Institute
of Life Experience is
awarding you a MPhD that
is Doctor of Metaphysical
Philosophy. The qualification
necessary is that you believe
it is real.
Ga Values.........................VOTE NO ON WASTE< GRAFT< & CORRUPTION
July 20th, 2012
2:10 pm
Does this mean they are going to rebid the concession contracts @ the airport also?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
2:10 pm
B. Frog — “JoeHusseinMama
My Summa Meta Institute
of Life Experience is
awarding you a MPhD that
is Doctor of Metaphysical
Philosophy. The qualification
necessary is that you believe
it is real.”
OMMMMMMMMMM
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
2:12 pm
For example:
“Aurora Suspect Mother: ‘You Have the Right Person’ ”
This indicates to me an ongoing problem with this murderer ………….. where many prior actions “could possibly” (repeat possibly) have been taken to prevent this.
Ga Values....................................VOTE NO ON WASTE,GRAFT, & CORRUPTION
July 20th, 2012
2:12 pm
Does this mean they are going to rebid the concession contracts @ the airport also?
The Jackson Aiport named for Mr Corruption himself
barking frog
July 20th, 2012
2:13 pm
JoeHusseinMama
I see you are familiar with
our school fight song.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
2:17 pm
0311 — “Accorging to the just released report, the Ft. Hood massacre could probably have been prevented had the FBI not bowed to “political correctness” pressure.”
Uh, no. You are mistaken. That is NOT according to the report. That is according to a Republican Congressman REACTING to the report.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/fort_hood_nidal_hasan_politically_correct.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
You are too credulous by half, 0311.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
2:18 pm
Oh brave brave Sir Scout…. what no link to support your claim about a Ft Hood report? The actual report itself not some wingnut recap.
But I am sure Steve will be calling you out for your lack of class with your post.
Finally, it’s too bad that an off-duty officer or legal gun toter wasn’t available to end the carnage.
So I guess those 2 AF reservists and a Navy service member that were injured were not carrying? No one in the theatre was? Perhaps your political spiking of the ball with NRA nonsense remains premature.
Let me suggest that everyone follow the words of the President: He called for reflection after the attack. “There are going to be other days for politics,” Obama said during an abbreviated appearance in Fort Myers, where he led a moment of silence on behalf of the victims and their families.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
2:20 pm
B. Frog — “JoeHusseinMama
I see you are familiar with
our school fight song.”
Is there a “fight” song? I would have thought that fighting implied desire, which is a roadblock to enlightenment.
East Lake Ira
July 20th, 2012
2:20 pm
Sweet baby Jesus!
Some of you self-proclaimed Xians are real a-holes.
Soothsayer
July 20th, 2012
2:22 pm
Tiger holes out from the green side bunker for a birdie 3 putting him at -6 for the tournament and in 3rd place 4 strokes off the lead.
Nashville’s own and Vanderbilt grad Brandt Snedeker leads at -10 after two.
barking frog
July 20th, 2012
2:23 pm
JoeHusseinMama
Enlightment is worth
fighting for. Non enlightenment must be
destroyed. We are very
pacific about this.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
2:23 pm
Joe:
“The independent report by Judge William H. Webster found that FBI employees had “good intent” but “made mistakes” by not further probing the Army major’s activities. A previous report by the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs concluded that the Fort Hood attack could have been prevented.”
They BOTH suck
July 20th, 2012
2:24 pm
Sooth
Could be in an interesting weekend across the pond
Jefferson
July 20th, 2012
2:25 pm
In Boston, no kissing around the chicken.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
2:26 pm
Good Fight:
Whether or not he fell through the cracks before this incident or whether or not someone in the theater was “carrying” has nothing to do with politics. Facts are facts.
What will be interesting is to see what transpired in his life for the several years leading up to this. His mother indicated almost immediately she knew it must be him …………… that presupposes a long, ongoing problem. Who was previously involved? What were the signs? Should someone have intervened but didn’t? All of these are valid questions.
East Lake Ira
July 20th, 2012
2:27 pm
“They will know we are Christians by our love by our love”
Today’s “Christians” would feel more comfortable with:
“They will know we are Christians by our guns by our guns”
Or:
“They will know we are Christians by our hate by our hate”
No wonder it’s a dieing belief system.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
2:27 pm
Joe Hussein Mama: “You are too credulous by half, 0311.”
Good Fight: “Oh brave brave Sir Scout….”
Is there any way you two can just debate without always getting so personal with other posters ?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
2:28 pm
0311 — ““The independent report by Judge William H. Webster found that FBI employees had “good intent” but “made mistakes” by not further probing the Army major’s activities. A previous report by the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs concluded that the Fort Hood attack could have been prevented.”
I’m aware of that. You misleadingly and falsely stated that the report *itself* attributed political correctness as a root cause.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
2:29 pm
B. Frog — “JoeHusseinMama
Enlightment is worth
fighting for. Non enlightenment must be
destroyed. We are very
pacific about this.”
Oy!
East Lake Ira
July 20th, 2012
2:29 pm
“Is there any way you two can just debate without always getting so personal with other posters ?”
No. Sack up or deal.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
2:30 pm
0311 — “Is there any way you two can just debate without always getting so personal with other posters ?”
You seem to be laboring under the misconception that I’m debating something with you.
I’m not. I’m pointing out that you misrepresented the source of the ‘political correctness’ charge.
Jefferson
July 20th, 2012
2:30 pm
Its a comment board, not a debate — debates have rule. Read and move on.
the cat
July 20th, 2012
2:30 pm
Someone convince Mayor Bloomberg to run for President!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/michael-bloomberg-nyc-mayor-reacts-colorado-shooting_n_1689211.html
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
2:32 pm
“Obama orders flags at half mast”
Now “THIS” is political.
U.S. Troops were killed last week in Afghanistan. Police officers were killed last week.
Were the flags lowered then?
the cat
July 20th, 2012
2:34 pm
0311-you dolt. Are you implying those killed are not worthy? In my opinion, there is so much meanness in the world, the flag should always be at half staff.
Recon 0311 2533
July 20th, 2012
2:35 pm
The shooter was a former medical school student who dropped out only a month ago. No priors other than a speeding ticket. He had no military background but somehow acquired sophisticated skills with weapons and explosives. Tragic loss of life.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
2:35 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
“I’m not. I’m pointing out that you misrepresented the source of the ‘political correctness’ charge.”
You are free to post or say anything you want. This is an opinion blog. In my opinion the report outlines what can happen when political correctness interferes with good law enforcement.
My point stands …………… you always take a personal shot. Just pointing that out as one of the main differences between you and me as regards other posters.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
2:35 pm
0311 — “U.S. Troops were killed last week in Afghanistan. Police officers were killed last week. Were the flags lowered then?”
Don’t know. Were flags lowered to half-staff from May of 2003 to the conclusion of the Bush Administration?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
2:36 pm
the cat:
And you make my point. Obama is being political as others are worthy as well.
I agree. During war it should remain at half staff.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
2:36 pm
Scouty, again, you put forth a bunch of crap without facts. Now you want to claim “legimate questions”. Your analysis is just scummy and factless spin and projection. Why don’t you simply man up and leave it alone until the facts are out before you spin wildly with your partisan NRA nonsense.
To those with family members and friends that happen to live in that area, including some of us who are still trying to locate them, it is offensive.