A Plan B should TSPLOST fail? Realistically, I doubt it
So is there a Plan B should metro Atlanta reject the one-penny sales tax for transportation?
Theoretically, sure there is. State law says regional leaders can propose another list of projects to voters in two years, when many who oppose the current list argue that a “better” list would be more likely to win voter approval.
That’s wishful thinking. The same political forces that produced a list that is too heavy on transit to some, and too light on transit to others, will still be in play come 2014, and at best will produce a list much like this one.
Besides, let’s be honest: Most who oppose this T-SPLOST would also oppose any future tax increase for transportation. Their opposition is based not on these specific projects but on the idea of a transportation tax increase, period. That will not change.
And frankly, I doubt that two years from now, public officials would be able to agree on any list at all. As highly politicized and contentious as this process has become, elected local officials will be much less willing to engage again in the give-and-take that was necessary to produce the current list, and much more likely to grandstand in defense of their own small corner of the region.
For example, even if Cobb County Chairman Tim Lee survives his current primary challenge, I doubt he’ll be willing to stick his neck out once again on behalf of regional projects. If Lee does not survive, his fate will become an object lesson for other local officials. The spirit of cooperation that allowed regional leaders to support the current list unanimously will never be recaptured should voters reject this plan.
And of course, if the measure does fail, it won’t be hard to find people to blame. Near the top of the list will be former Gov. Sonny Perdue, who year after year told Georgia to Go Fish rather than focus on transportation, and who in the end left us this convoluted funding mechanism as his legacy.
In his last days in office, Perdue also broke the state’s longstanding pledge not to extend tolls on Georgia 400, shattering what was left of public faith that political leaders will keep their word on such issues. And while Gov. Nathan Deal’s announcement this week that he would end the extended tolls at the end of 2013 explicitly acknowledges the damage done by Perdue’s move, it may have come too late.
Fingers will also be pointed at state legislative leaders, who shucked off responsibility for making tough decisions onto local leaders, then sat back and in some cases took potshots at what those local elected leaders decided.
In the end, though, the failure will be our own. This will be the first time in the history of the Atlanta region that it has the chance to actually debate, vote and act as a region. Defeat would mean that we failed that test. It would mean that voters inside the perimeter became too concerned that voters outside the perimeter might be getting a better deal, and vice versa, and that voters in general lacked faith in their public institutions to perform what is really a very basic function of government.
And if we prove to have no faith in our leaders or institutions, why should outsiders looking to invest time, energy and money have that faith either?
– Jay Bookman
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477 comments Add your comment
the cat
July 20th, 2012
10:47 am
Anyway, if your story is say no to the T-SPLOST and you’re stickin’ to it, I will leave you alone.
Please do.
Jay's Brain
July 20th, 2012
10:47 am
TPSLOST does next to NOTHING to solve the traffic issiues in Atlanta. There you are readers, THE TRUTH. But damn how us regressives love a new tax scam.
Jay's Brain
July 20th, 2012
10:48 am
Enter your comments here
Joe
July 20th, 2012
10:52 am
Hmmm… Vote now to pass or forevr devolve into fifedoms waring over the trough of taxes? I would gladly vate for it if there were a startgic goal to address congestion and the projects moved up toward that goal. Landscaping on Buford Highway in Buckhead, Belt line and trolleys to the MLK national park are good projects, but as a whole, or individually no one can explain how they resolve congestion t major intersections, interste merge zones or on the connector which funnels 3 major interstates by the gold dome.
I do not support T-SpLOST because it is an series of horse traded projects political leaders want insted of a way to start a systemic approach to attack congestion.
getalife
July 20th, 2012
10:52 am
Well said Mr. President.
marty
July 20th, 2012
10:52 am
Jay, Would an extension of this tax 10 years from now require another referendum?
Woodstock Mike
July 20th, 2012
10:55 am
Obama just spoke about the terrible event in Colorado. He said we all need to pray, we need to ask the Lord to watch over us, we need to have faith in God. He mentioned God about 50 times which I have no problem with.
I do wonder what Democrats think about this though? It seems if any Republican mentions religion they are “crazy religious fanatics”!!!
Just more garbage from the left…
Fly-On-The-Wall
July 20th, 2012
10:57 am
I think all of us can agree that we need real leadership and none of our current leaders/elected officials have that quality. How can we get the leadership we need from those available to us when all we hear is ‘no new taxes’ & ‘cut spending’. We’re seeing a clear example of people believing that if we continue with cutting taxes & spending we will grow our way out of any problem.
It ain’t work’n and our poor elected officials have painted themselves into a corner with that very line of thought.
larry
July 20th, 2012
10:58 am
I was wondering when the tragedy in Colorado was going to get politized .
Thank you , Woodstock.
Oy.
godless heathen
July 20th, 2012
10:58 am
Looking at a Georgia Transportation Alliance flyer that lists projected jobs created in each region from TSPLOST. Middle Georgia – 23,663.38 jobs. That is some refined forecasting right there. Good opportunity for some rounding, if you ask me.
Fly-On-The-Wall
July 20th, 2012
10:59 am
Geez Woodstock Mike,
Can you not give Obama a break? Do you dislike him that much that in a situation such as this you still are a partisan hack?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
11:00 am
Mike — “I do wonder what Democrats think about this though? It seems if any Republican mentions religion they are “crazy religious fanatics”!!!”
Do you think there are no democrats who are also christians?
I’m an atheist, and I have no problem with people praying, or asking others to pray. And if that’s as far as it went, that’d be great. The problem comes when the praying stops and the persecuting begins.
“Just more garbage from the left…”
Just more uninformed nonsense from Mike.
Uh Oh
July 20th, 2012
11:01 am
“Do you dislike him that much that in a situation such as this you still are a partisan hack?”
Could have just said cry baby
Fly-On-The-Wall
July 20th, 2012
11:01 am
Uh Oh…ok, that too
HDB
July 20th, 2012
11:02 am
Death to the T-SPLOST
July 20th, 2012
9:42 am
You got it EXACTLY RIGHT!!
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
11:02 am
FOTW — “Can you not give Obama a break? Do you dislike him that much that in a situation such as this you still are a partisan hack?”
Dissing the President is clearly an article of faith for Mike. How dare we question or mock his beliefs.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 20th, 2012
11:02 am
“It would mean that voters inside the perimeter became too concerned that voters outside the perimeter might be getting a better deal, and vice versa ……… ”
“Might be” is wrong. That’s why North Fulton is all incorporated now.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
11:05 am
Well if the President had not mentioned God that would have been proof that he’s a Muslim…. in wingnut world, everything is evidence!
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
11:06 am
23,663.38 jobs
No rounding necessary….I’ve seen plenty of people work .38 of a job.
Fly-On-The-Wall
July 20th, 2012
11:07 am
Keep Up – that is too funny. I had a good laugh with that one.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
July 20th, 2012
11:07 am
Woodstock,
Evidently you don’t understand what “religion” is. President Obama said God. God is not religion. Religion is man made, therefore flawed. Those of us who despise religion still worship God in our own private personal way. You don’t need religion to worship God and I personally believe He prefers it that way.
midtownguy
July 20th, 2012
11:09 am
It’s the OTP folks that really have everything to lose. Those of us who live in Midtown, Morningside, Ansley Park etc. have 15 minute commutes on the surface streets to downtown jobs.
Shawny
July 20th, 2012
11:10 am
The politicians tout future growth as reason to do this as well.
Consider that growth is a zero sum game. Companies that move here from other cities bring employees with them adding to the number of cars on our streets while the other city declines. Growth in companies moving from one state to another is not desired. It is cost a company should not have to bear, but they do when conditions warrant (generally cheaper cost of living, taxes, etc. and NOT traffic patterns).
Truth is, the politicians would love to bring in new business as it increases their tax base, makes their jobs picture somewhat better (though many will move here from elsewhere), and give the politicians more power (and you and I less).
NO on Tsplost. It is not what transportation dollars should be doing.
mm
July 20th, 2012
11:11 am
“I do wonder what Democrats think about this though? It seems if any Republican mentions religion they are “crazy religious fanatics”!!!”
No, the dems just don’t like these bible thumping dirtbags to hide bhind God and then get caught doing naughty deeds with whatever person or animal is willing to join them.
Rockdate Voter
July 20th, 2012
11:14 am
I voted No in advance voting last week. Reason? There were no plans for extending Marta or brining light rail in our area. Our local leaders made absolutely sure Marta was not in the list. We have some strange backward thinking people out here. Marta to Stonecrest Mall, “maybe” in ten years didn’t help move me toward a yes vote. The Metro Area needs to address traffic and congestion, this isn’t the right approach to planning and until our leaders recognize the need for mass transit throughout the region, I will not believe they are serious about solving the congestion woes.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 20th, 2012
11:15 am
I do wonder what Democrats think about this though?
Well no, I don’t think you do. I think you’re just making cheap shots at people you don’t even try to get to know.
If you had tried to know any of these mythical “Democrats” you speak of, you know they’re no more or less comfortable with our current President expressing his faith in a speech than Republicans were with our previous President doing so.
Adam
July 20th, 2012
11:19 am
Woodstock: Seems to me you DO have a problem with Obama referencing God. Why?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 20th, 2012
11:19 am
“Pray for the dead. Fight like hell for the living.”
–Mary Harris “Mother” Jones
Adam
July 20th, 2012
11:21 am
Speaking of reactions: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/louie-gohmert-aurora-shootings_n_1689099.html?1342794304
Louie Gohmert: Aurora Shootings Result Of ‘Ongoing Attacks On Judeo-Christian Beliefs’
WASHINGTON — Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of “ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs” and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.
As I mentioned elsewhere, I knew someone would bring up the bogus “if others were armed this wouldn’t have happened” argument.
jconservative
July 20th, 2012
11:22 am
Plan B should be to simply raise the gasoline tax. But that would require legislators with courage and that appears to be an animal that is now extinct.
getalife
July 20th, 2012
11:22 am
woodstock.
Seriously?
getalife
July 20th, 2012
11:25 am
Just more garbage from the cons…
Apologize mike.
GOP Voter
July 20th, 2012
11:26 am
Jay, I think you are misreading this one. it’s not about the penny, it’s about the list.
A penny for a plan that will actually FIX the traffic problem would get 60-70% of the vote.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 20th, 2012
11:29 am
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas)
for f###’s sakes…
Hanging this “Representative” from a tree in the DC Mall for treason is too good for him, but I wouldn’t shed a tear if they did.
barking frog
July 20th, 2012
11:30 am
Is Obama talking about god
narcissism?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
July 20th, 2012
11:30 am
In the “For What It’s Worth” category…
I sent an email to Chick-Fil-a…this was their reply…
Dear Mr. “Normal”
The Chick-fil-A culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect – regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender. We will continue this tradition in the over 1,600 Restaurants run by independent Owner/Operators. Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena.
Chick-fil-A is a family-owned and family-led company serving the communities in which it operates. From the day Truett Cathy started the company, he began applying biblically-based principles to managing his business. For example, we believe that closing on Sundays, operating debt-free and devoting a percentage of our profits back to our communities are what make us a stronger company and Chick-fil-A family.
Our mission is simple: to serve great food, provide genuine hospitality and have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A.
Sincerely,
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Chick-fil-A CARES
Chick-fil-A…We Didn’t Invent The Chicken,
Just The Chicken Sandwich.
On the Web at http://www.chick-fil-a.com
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
11:33 am
Louie Gohmert: Aurora Shootings Result Of ‘Ongoing Attacks On Judeo-Christian Beliefs
I was just about to post on how I don’t care if Obama mentions Jesus, Allah, or Satan in his speeches. As long as he doesn’t pontificate on how Jesus sends [insert latest tragedy/natural disaster here] because this nation allows [insert latest wingnut obsession here].
Alas, I wasn’t faster than the crazy R-Texas guy.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
11:36 am
Normal: Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena.
Interesting however that their donations do not support that assertion….
barking frog
July 20th, 2012
11:36 am
Aquagirl
How crazy r texas ?
Michael
July 20th, 2012
11:38 am
The people who oppose T-SPLOST should all end up driving on a collapsing bridge or a road caving in from lack of repairs.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 20th, 2012
11:38 am
Well if you are looking for a certifiable idiot, Louie never fails to disappoint….. but he’s struggling to stay ahead of Bachmann
getalife
July 20th, 2012
11:39 am
gomer is part of bachmann’s kook caucus.
St Simons - we're on Island time
July 20th, 2012
11:39 am
I think I understand why some of you would be against it, I really do.
But let me tell you the view from the outside. Voting it down will give the
APPEARANCE to outsiders that, not only are you the biggest clusterf*
in the history of traffic, and you’re not even thinking about improving
the situation.
Sooo – having sat in on several of those ‘where are we going
to put our plant/company’ meetings in my younger days, I can
tell you that by not acting to improve your situation, Atlanta is
not “marketing itself for the 21st century” to put it politely. They
are not that polite in those meetings.
Having said that, you need to do a hi speed rail line to de islands mon
Fly-On-The-Wall
July 20th, 2012
11:46 am
What I wonder is where in Judeo-Christian beliefs is it held that everyone must be armed? I never read that in the bible.
St Simons - we're on Island time
July 20th, 2012
11:49 am
it is the most ironic thing in the history of the world that
Michelle Bachmann & Louis Gohmert are on the Intelligence committee
That Black Guy
July 20th, 2012
11:54 am
Adam
July 20th, 2012
9:06 am
godless, cat, It wasn’t actually a quote. I made it up.
I also made up the idea that Limbaugh is responsible.
GOTCHA!
____________________________
I’m sure the friends and families of the victims will find your “GOTCHA” for political jackassery comforting.
Adam, I believe you are better than this.
getalife
July 20th, 2012
11:54 am
Lets see if willard takes the high road like our President.
I would get all the facts before starting the blame game.
John from Cobb
July 20th, 2012
11:56 am
N-GA
Ditto. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Fact is, if this loses it has nothing to do with the plan it has more to do with the self serving officials and developers who have con’ed the public for the past 40 years. As a native Cobb Countian the quality of life has been suffering for 20 years because of the same “growth” rally cry that has destroyed where we live. If it passes all those who supported will rue the day because graft and missappropriation will definitely be apart of the future.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
11:56 am
FOTW — “What I wonder is where in Judeo-Christian beliefs is it held that everyone must be armed? I never read that in the bible.”
It’s in the Gospel of Smith & Wesson.
Jm
July 20th, 2012
11:56 am
Re Obama referencing God
Why does he talk to himself so much?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
July 20th, 2012
11:58 am
Jm
July 20th, 2012
11:56 am
And why is it that you republicans think of him as God in the first place?
getalife
July 20th, 2012
12:00 pm
jm thinks our President is God.
Our President is a Christian moderate capitalist politician.
Lets stop the lies and show him some respect jm.
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
12:01 pm
where in Judeo-Christian beliefs is it held that everyone must be armed? I never read that in the bible.
I think it says you’re supposed to sell your clothes to buy guns. Because nothing says “Christian” like naked gun-wielding folks.
Also, if you shoot somebody’s ear off Jesus will glue it back on, so maybe it’s a no harm no foul thing.
fair and balanced
July 20th, 2012
12:01 pm
More tolls, more MARTA, less growth and light rail – problem solved with no T-Splost. Works in other cities. Too many pwoplw addicted to their own car to make it work here and no support from the circus/legislature.
Jm
July 20th, 2012
12:03 pm
Oh you guys can’t take a joke….
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
12:05 pm
Oh you guys can’t take a joke….
Sure we can. You just can’t make them.
Tea
July 20th, 2012
12:06 pm
Jay, Recent polls show public trust of Congress is below 10%. I am shocked when I think about the prospect of entrusting $7 b-b-billion to municipal and county governments with only a no-authority “citizens review board” to “supervise” it’s dispursal. As big a hill as the trust issue presents, there are also people like me, who are willing to spend money (and waste lots of it in the process) but want it invested, at least in part, in creative development planning rather than in road-building which essentially only builds bigger traffic jams, hastens the effects of global warming and adds more “code red” poisonous air days to our summer. I believe the long term solution involves reframing the issue around community development first and transportation second.
This is Still America
July 20th, 2012
12:11 pm
TSPLOST – stick a fork in it -it’s done! Tax payers have just so much of their blood and sweat to give to the government. Perhaps the government should make wiser use of the blood money they get now. If you want TSPLOST cut something else.
Jm
July 20th, 2012
12:13 pm
“Perhaps the government should make wiser use of the blood money they get now. If you want TSPLOST cut something else.”
With that I wholeheartedly agree.
But that’s not the choice at hand.
HOT AIR
July 20th, 2012
12:13 pm
Best solution to the traffic problems in Atlanta? MOVE!
Jm
July 20th, 2012
12:14 pm
Normal
I’m not a republican
Adam
July 20th, 2012
12:15 pm
TBG: True. Nothing is good about what happened. Never claimed there was. My real take is that we need to deal with mental illness in this country WAY better than we do right now.
Illegal Alien
July 20th, 2012
12:16 pm
Learn to walk – ti’s better for you over weight, soft people.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
12:17 pm
Tea — “Jay, Recent polls show public trust of Congress is below 10%.”
When it’s eaten up with nitwits like Bachmann and Gohmert, it’s not surprising.
Oblama
July 20th, 2012
12:19 pm
Illegal Alien – I think you opened a can of worms with that comment……. over weight, soft people dominate this web site.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
July 20th, 2012
12:19 pm
Jm
July 20th, 2012
12:14 pm
“I’m not a republican”
Sorry jm, it’s just that you act like one…that WAS a joke…
getalife
July 20th, 2012
12:20 pm
odrama,
Are you fat and lazy?
Oscar
July 20th, 2012
12:21 pm
st solution to the traffic problems in Atlanta? MOVE!
-________________
At least move closer to where you work, or move your job to closer to where you live.
It would help if more people worked from home at least one day a week. Most people can do that working be telephone and on the computer.
getalife
July 20th, 2012
12:21 pm
jm,
Your words prove you are a typical con focused on getting our President.
HOT AIR
July 20th, 2012
12:21 pm
Government in general, not just Congress, has a low approval rate and a low trust factor. Probably based on past history and the current administration’s lack of results.
RB from Gwinnett
July 20th, 2012
12:22 pm
“I think it says you’re supposed to sell your clothes to buy guns. Because nothing says “Christian” like naked gun-wielding folks”
And nothing says hypocrit quite like a “tolerant” liberal spewing hatred on Christians.
JamVet
July 20th, 2012
12:23 pm
Normal
I’m not a republican
Though I never vote for any non-Republicans…
getalife
July 20th, 2012
12:24 pm
“administration’s lack of results.”
His ratings are much higher to prove this is a lie.
No lying or drama on this blog.
Thanks.
getalife
July 20th, 2012
12:25 pm
rb,
No drama or lying.
Thanks.
JamVet
July 20th, 2012
12:25 pm
Personally, I don’t hate Christians.
I just hate the KKK type that is still uber-popular in certain political circles……
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
12:25 pm
RB — “And nothing says hypocrit quite like a “tolerant” liberal spewing hatred on Christians.”
When liberals try to get you kicked out of public teaching jobs and try to prevent you from getting married to the person of your choice, then and only then will you have some standing to talk about hypocrisy and the spewing of hatred.
JamVet
July 20th, 2012
12:27 pm
And to my point in my last post, Bachmann, Gomert, Westmoreland, et al.
These are nothing but glorified Klansmen…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 20th, 2012
12:32 pm
Why in the holy name of all that is holy would a state government allow groups to splinter off, willy nilly, like that?
Do you really think that reactionary tenthers will stop at states rights?
No they’ll continue to roll back authority to their own little fiefdoms as issues like this clearly illustrate.
Oblama
July 20th, 2012
12:35 pm
getalife – I am 5 ‘ 11 1/2 ” 185 lbs. Lift weights 4 times a week. I run 3 miles in approximately 16 minutes every other day. Lift weights 3 hours a day – lower body and upper body on alternate days. Bench 70 lbs (4 reps strict) Leg press 640 lbs (12 reps) – Have my own business where I work 10 hours a day 6 days a week. Does that sound like fat and lazy to you? Not bragging. You asked.
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
12:37 pm
And nothing says hypocrit quite like a “tolerant” liberal spewing hatred on Christians.
Intolerance is saying something should not be permitted. You seem to have confused this with irreverent comments that hurt your fee-fees. Those are not the same things.
I support your right to worship the god of your choice. Running around naked and armed is a little strange but that’s your right too as far as I’m concerned, as long as you’re careful where that thing’s pointed.
Jm
July 20th, 2012
12:37 pm
Getalife
I definitely don’t get the president
KEH
July 20th, 2012
12:38 pm
We have gas taxes. We have property taxes. We have income taxes. We have ad-valorem taxes. We have sales taxes as high as some states that don’t have income tax. I mean seriously – what the heck? I know to a liberal or pretty much anybody in office just throwing another tax on everyone is always the answer. But we can’t fund transportation across all these existing taxes.
I vote No to T-SPLOST.
RB from Gwinnett
July 20th, 2012
12:40 pm
Call a waaaaambulance Joe. Liberals try to get people the dont like fired all the time.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
12:41 pm
Oblama — “getalife – I am 5 ‘ 11 1/2 ” 185 lbs. Lift weights 4 times a week. I run 3 miles in approximately 16 minutes every other day. Lift weights 3 hours a day – lower body and upper body on alternate days. Bench 70 lbs (4 reps strict) Leg press 640 lbs (12 reps) – Have my own business where I work 10 hours a day 6 days a week.”
And I am the Emperor of Neptune. Pleased to meetcha.
n
July 20th, 2012
12:41 pm
Reasonable minds wonder why people who are normally knee-jerk rabidly set against added taxes and government are foaming at the mouth to get this thing passed? As in, most Republicans.
Odd behavior.
Could it be the seven billion dollar pot of gold for insiders, developers and road builders, to be administered by insiders? All those billions sloshing around make strange bedfellows.
Millions of dollars worth of non-stop, almost hysterical propaganda to convince us sheep to do what the politicians refuse to do, because they are beholden to Grover Norquist.
Raise the gas tax to support highways and auto usage, instead of taxing groceries to pay for politicians’ and developers’ pet projects.
HOT AIR
July 20th, 2012
12:42 pm
JamVet doing what he is best at – SPEWING hate and whining. The KKK is pretty much non existent and unimportant these days. Just like the left’s version of hate – The New Black Panther Party.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 20th, 2012
12:43 pm
I’m 8′11′ weigh 290. I run 50 miles a day, barefoot in the snow — uphill both ways. I swim from Russia to Alaska across the Bering Sea naked in the winter twice a week. Every other month, I free dive to the bottom of the Marianas Trench. I can make The Most Interesting Man in the World cry like a 3 year old.
Oh, and I work 24 hours a day 7 days a week nonstop.
Woodstock Mike
July 20th, 2012
12:43 pm
“Did everyone hear about the Limbaugh induced bulletproof vest wearing shoot-em-up in Colorado?
Oh, my bad. It’s probably just another “isolated incident” perpetuated by another “lone gunman” who was “just crazy.”
When you see some idiot make a comment like this above it shows you how incredibly stupid some Americans are. The shooter is some 24 yr old kid, probably never heard of Rush Limbaugh, and yes is an isolated incident by a crazy gunman.
Adam, what else do you call someone that kills innocent people? And if this isn’t isolated how could it be the first time in the history of our country that someone has shot people in a movie theatre?
If you think Rush Limbaugh is responsible for some 24 year old kid killing people it shows how incredibly ignorant and stupid you are.
If you think political figures cause people to commit crimes you should start with Obama pitting Americans vs. Americans. Open up your eyes you idiot.
the cat
July 20th, 2012
12:44 pm
n
July 20th, 2012
12:41 pm
Reasonable minds wonder why people who are normally knee-jerk rabidly set against added taxes and government are foaming at the mouth to get this thing passed? As in, most Republicans.
Odd behavior.
Could it be the seven billion dollar pot of gold for insiders, developers and road builders, to be administered by insiders? All those billions sloshing around make strange bedfellows.
Millions of dollars worth of non-stop, almost hysterical propaganda to convince us sheep to do what the politicians refuse to do, because they are beholden to Grover Norquist.
Raise the gas tax to support highways and auto usage, instead of taxing groceries to pay for politicians’ and developers’ pet projects.
Totally agree!!!
the cat
July 20th, 2012
12:45 pm
Woodstock MIke-you are a bit simple aren’t you? to put it kindly. Don’t want to get redcarded today.
Oblama
July 20th, 2012
12:45 pm
getalife – My key board stuck…… mistyped – supposed to be bench press 270 lbs (4 reps strict). Sure you will have fun with this. Care to meet me in the octagon for a little sport?
Woodstock Mike
July 20th, 2012
12:46 pm
This election is real simple…
If you want a President who’s agenda is to make Americans hate other Americans vote for Obama.
If you want a President who is trying to give all Americans the opportunity to make what they want for themselves and their families vote for Romney.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
12:46 pm
RB — “Call a waaaaambulance Joe.”
Sweetiekins, you already *called* the whaaaaaambulance when you said this:
“And nothing says hypocrit quite like a “tolerant” liberal spewing hatred on Christians.”
As Aquagirl said, you clearly have gotten intolerance mixed up with people who merely say things that make your precious feefees hurt. Stop crying and fix your mascara, Debbie.
“Liberals try to get people the dont like fired all the time.”
Yes, we do. We try to get people fired because of what they DO, not who they ARE. We don’t try to get christians fired because they’re christians. We don’t try to get conservatives fired because they’re conservatives. We try to get christians fired because they ridiculed gay kids in their class. We try to get conservative officials fired for using their offices for partisan political purposes.
Once again, your ignorance has made you post something so monumentally clueless that it’s going to be a pure pleasure batting you around over it all afternoon.
Woodstock Mike
July 20th, 2012
12:47 pm
“Woodstock MIke-you are a bit simple aren’t you? to put it kindly. Don’t want to get redcarded today.”
Another idiotic comment above.
Tell me this, what part of what I said don’t you agree with. Are you capable of actually answering that?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
12:48 pm
Mike — “If you think political figures cause people to commit crimes you should start with Obama pitting Americans vs. Americans.”
And Woodstock Mike sets the LAND SPEED RECORD for hypocrisy!!! (laughing, pointing)
Jm
July 20th, 2012
12:49 pm
I meet people for beers, not pummeling
Woodstock Mike
July 20th, 2012
12:49 pm
@the cat
So, are you saying you think Rush Limbaugh is responsible for some 24 year old kid killing a bunch of innocent people? And I’m the simple one? Wow…
Oblama
July 20th, 2012
12:50 pm
Mama – Neptune has no emperor as it is a dead planet. You can take your crown off now.
Woodstock Mike
July 20th, 2012
12:50 pm
@Joe Hussein Momma
So Joe, do you think that Obama isn’t pitting unemployed and middle class people against other Americans? Do you really believe that?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
12:51 pm
Oblama — “Mama – Neptune has no emperor as it is a dead planet. You can take your crown off now.”
See if my immigration authorities let YOU in the next time we throw a party.