Have the grifters on Wall Street found yet another mark?
The Los Angeles Times has a damning piece explaining how our good pals at JPMorgan & Chase have allegedly manipulated the electricity market in California and perhaps in the Midwest as well, stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from consumers and businesses and depositing it in the accounts of JPMorgan, pretty much risk free.
The focus of the alleged scam is the California Independent System Operator, which fulfills the state’s energy needs by taking bids from private power marketers to provide electricity to the state.
Here’s how the Times explains it (and don’t worry, it’s not as complicated as it may seem):
“The alleged scheme involves two related wholesale electricity markets maintained by the ISO. There’s the day-ahead market, in which power plant owners place bids to provide power for the California electricity grid in the future; and the real-time market, an auction market through which ISO buys electricity for immediate distribution to homes and businesses.
To give plant owners an incentive to participate in these auctions, ISO guarantees to cover their costs for starting up or running their plants at a minimal level, even if their bids aren’t accepted. This is known as “bid cost recovery.” ISO rules allow bidders to claim payments of up to twice their real costs.
In simplest terms, JPMorgan submitted bids in the day-ahead market that were so low the firm was certain to be accepted onto ISO’s roster of potential electricity suppliers — in fact, they were negative bids, essentially offering to pay ISO to take their electricity…. ISO believes that JPMorgan never intended to make that sale, but the beauty of its low bids was that they made it eligible to collect bid cost recovery payments.
The next step was for JPMorgan to make sure that ISO didn’t actually buy its electricity, presumably because the profit margin from the bid cost recovery claim was greater than from actually selling energy. So in the real-time market, it priced its electricity so high that ISO wouldn’t buy it.
The bottom line, the ISO says, is that JPMorgan’s traders never intended to sell it electricity via these bids. The scheme, it says, seems to have been designed purely to capture a bid cost recovery payment the bank didn’t deserve, at a rate that was inflated anyway.”
In other words, pretend that you’re ready to sell electricity at a low rate; collect a handsome fee for pretending to sell electricity at a low rate; then bid high to ensure that you never have to actually provide that electricity.
Repeat, day after day, collecting some $57 million in improper payments in just six months between 2010 and 2011, with more such payments perhaps yet to be discovered. Free money!!!
But of course, it’s impolite to even notice that Wall Street continues to rip us off in a seemingly endless series of scams. To do so is to be anti-capitalist, even socialist. So forget I said anything, will ya?
– Jay Bookman
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ty webb
July 19th, 2012
12:05 pm
“So forget I said anything, will ya?”
some of us already do this…daily.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
12:06 pm
what? Another Wall Street scheme rigged to favor the 1%…. How surprising..
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:07 pm
Since when does JPM actually *have* any electricity for sale in the first place?
getalife
July 19th, 2012
12:08 pm
Looks like they rigged all systems to bleed every penny from the markets.
All they need now to keep doing this is a willard victory.
This leads to collapse cons.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:08 pm
T. Webb — “some of us already do this…daily.”
Hard to believe, given all the time and effort you spend bleating about what he posts.
larry
July 19th, 2012
12:08 pm
Well, i read and hear that the President is anti-business this, anti-business that. It seems to me that business is its own worse enemy.
Enron all over again.
How much are Chase’s loses, 5.2 billion and counting ?
the cat
July 19th, 2012
12:09 pm
Am I being totally naive in asking who the hell wrote the rule and why can’t it be changed?
getalife
July 19th, 2012
12:09 pm
going not doing.
Jay
July 19th, 2012
12:10 pm
JHM, apparently they signed contracts with actual power generators, which gave them the standing to run this scheme. They have no plants on their own.
the cat
July 19th, 2012
12:11 pm
Is this part of why California is bankrupt?
getalife
July 19th, 2012
12:11 pm
ty,
You cower from the truth and firsty.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
12:11 pm
Wall Street.
snort.
Seems to me an appropriate time to post this again
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
12:12 pm
Well, the alternative is a blackout
If you don’t want standby power, don’t offer value for it and you too can enjoy regular blackouts
The CA electricity market is messed up and it’s their idiot regulators fault
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
12:12 pm
They have no plants on their own.
Banksters give so much, and ask so little in return.
ty webb
July 19th, 2012
12:13 pm
getalife,
“firsty”?
Steve
July 19th, 2012
12:13 pm
When is America going to wake up – this stuff happens so regularly now and nobody seems to care? But hey, if some poverty level mom needs a few dollars to feed her kids, we’re in an uproar.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
12:14 pm
the cat,
You asked good questions.
I believe billionaires united will write the rules and they will bankrupt our whole country not just California.
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
12:14 pm
Well, so long as no one on Wall Street gets taxed the Republicans will go along with it. Just don’t tax them.
ken
July 19th, 2012
12:14 pm
Obama has over $500,000 with JP Morgan
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
12:15 pm
“the cat
July 19th, 2012
12:09 pm
Am I being totally naive in asking who the hell wrote the rule and why can’t it be changed?”
Either an idiot regulator or an idiot legislator.
CA’s bright people all work in tech, not government
getalife
July 19th, 2012
12:15 pm
ty,
You failed to address you are the first to comment.
You are no fun ty.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:16 pm
Jay — “JHM, apparently they signed contracts with actual power generators, which gave them the standing to run this scheme. They have no plants on their own.”
Then this is clearly speculation. Why is speculation in public utilities permissible? Would we permit an investment bank to speculate in water in parched areas of the desert Southwest?
JKL2
July 19th, 2012
12:16 pm
The question is going to be how much of this money ended up in DNC coffers?
I can’t understand why California is broke…
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
12:16 pm
Traders are smarter than regulators
Always have been, always will be
Jay
July 19th, 2012
12:17 pm
“But hey, if some poverty level mom needs a few dollars to feed her kids, we’re in an uproar.
Maybe I should it phrased it like this:
“The other day at WalMart, I saw JPMorgan in line at the checkout counter, and …”
carlosgvv
July 19th, 2012
12:17 pm
Wall Street is so infested with highly educated and very intelligent sociopaths that strict Govt. regulation and oversight is needed to keep these crooks from robbing the country blind.
Unfortunately, they provide full campaign funding for the Republicans and can continue to fleece the country without worry since their bought and paid for lackeys will do anything to get and keep political power.
Hey, is this a great country or what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:17 pm
Jm — “The CA electricity market is messed up and it’s their idiot regulators fault”
You can say that all you want, but this sort of thing didn’t start happening until *after* deregulation started happening out there.
You don't say
July 19th, 2012
12:17 pm
Seems we need less regulation.
Prices will be down to almost nothing
ty webb
July 19th, 2012
12:17 pm
getalife,
sorry…first!
getalife
July 19th, 2012
12:19 pm
You lost the class war so you will suffer the consequences.
It is easy to be a corporate hack but challenging to change corporate power.
We are fat and lazy so we chose the easy way.
Jay
July 19th, 2012
12:20 pm
But you’re right, Steve. If a company like JPMorgan is caught gaming the system, the immediate reaction of some, as we’ve seen, is to blame it on the system and excuse the company.
Yet if a welfare recipient finds a way to game THAT system, the moral outrage heaped on her head will come Old Testament style. Quite a stark contrast.
Steve
July 19th, 2012
12:20 pm
LOL @ Jay
getalife
July 19th, 2012
12:20 pm
ty,
Much better.
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
12:21 pm
In fact, Republicans consider these efforts by Wall Street types so ingenious that they deserve a tax cut. Not to worry though. The cuts will not cause any increase in the debt or deficit. The Republicans are more than willing to pass on the cost of the tax cuts to the poor and sick and elderly since they are of no value in creating jobs.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 19th, 2012
12:21 pm
Well, this sounds like a good
scamsystem. I wonder if it would work for beer—say, you agree to pay me for the cost of bidding to sell you beer at, say, $5 a can. I guess there’s always some alkies that would pay that much, but you probly wouldn’t. If you don’t accept my bid you pay me. If you do accept it, I can maybe buy beer at 75 cents a can and then I pocket $4.25 for each beer I supply you with. It don’t sound like there’s a down side, except maybe for you.I’m real down right now, folks. Bookman’s got his bags packed and he’s probly setting around tying feathers to fish hooks and getting ready to flash us a finger as he walks out. And we’ll be stuck with the same old piece of cut ‘n paste for two weeks. I don’t know how I’ll make it without booting up and seeing a fresh blog every day. It’s just about the end.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:21 pm
JKL — “The question is going to be how much of this money ended up in DNC coffers?”
Not nearly as much as has ended up in the pockets of people like Ken Lay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis
the cat
July 19th, 2012
12:21 pm
Isn’t this what we all do when we buy natural gas? Are we not buying from speculators that can raise or lower the price? Like Scana, etc?
Steve
July 19th, 2012
12:21 pm
And, Jay, the contrast between what is wasted on social safety net fraud pales in comparison to the free market waste/fraud that happens on a weekly basis. I don’t have numbers, but I would bet my house that this could be proven via actual data.
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 19th, 2012
12:22 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
12:16 pm
Would we permit an investment bank to speculate in water in parched areas of the desert Southwest?
—————————————————————————–
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
That’s my next plan since Jay found out about this one
Fly-On-The-Wall
July 19th, 2012
12:22 pm
How many more if these have to occur before the whole country will stand up and say NO MORE? How many more times does Wall Street have steal and lie before people will wake up and realize that these guys don’t give damn about the country. They’re not out there chanting USA, USA, all they want is money and if that is your money (not their’s) then so much the better.
Steve - USA "None of the Above"
July 19th, 2012
12:22 pm
So even with a Democratic President and a Democratic Governor the song remains the same.
King of Everything
July 19th, 2012
12:23 pm
This would not happen if we had less Gov’t regulation. In fact it would be impossible for anyone to pull this off if we had no Gov’t regulations at all. (Tongue in cheek for the few).
Brosephus™
July 19th, 2012
12:23 pm
Traders are smarter than regulators
Got proof, or are you claiming a Kamchak Corollary on this one?
Regulators often have their hands tied because of a certain ideology that claims that the government is heavy handed in regulating things. This particular ideology is hellbent on repealing regulations in order for the “free market” to use it’s invisible hand to keep things orderly. What they don’t tell people is that the invisible hand is a kleptomaniac who plies his trade if he’s not properly regulated.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:24 pm
T. Cat — “Isn’t this what we all do when we buy natural gas? Are we not buying from speculators that can raise or lower the price? Like Scana, etc?”
That’s the aim of deregulation. They claim it’s to improve prices and customer service via competition, but the only thing about the entire industry that actually seems to be improved by it is the profit margin.
You don't say
July 19th, 2012
12:24 pm
Jm
So CA would have experienced blackout had JP Morgan not done what they did?
You imply that in one post, then seem to cheer the traders in another.
Which is it?
Jay
July 19th, 2012
12:24 pm
Steal a dollar, see ya in jail. Steal $100 million, see ya in the Hamptons. And the attitudes already expressed on this board explain quite clearly how that dichotomy is possible.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
July 19th, 2012
12:25 pm
And, Jay, the contrast between what is wasted on social safety net fraud pales in comparison to the free market waste/fraud that happens on a weekly basis.
Not true at all.
And notice how he ” doesnt have the numbers ”
Of course he doesn’t. That would mean knowing what you are talking.
Ill be waiting on those numbers.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
12:25 pm
Basically, when government is bought and will not close the loopholes or stop the cheating, well, you have seen what happens.
I believe the term is checkmate.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
12:25 pm
Jay 12:20 I disagree
People get hacked at the government
Not the welfare recipient
RB from Gwinnett
July 19th, 2012
12:26 pm
From below…I can beleive none of you basement dwelling morons knows about the UN agreement, but I feel pretty certain Jay knows about it and intentionally left off half the story as he is prone to do in his agenda driven posts. The point is not that there is language in the agreement specifically limiting our 2nd amendment rights, it’s that we don’t know whats in it at all and how it affects us.
“U.S. overturns former position
On 14 October 2009 the Obama administration announced in a statement released by Hillary Clinton and the State Department that it was overturning the position of former President George W. Bush’s administration, which had opposed a proposed Arms Trade treaty…
The Arms Trade Treaty is the name of a potential multilateral treaty that would regulate the international trade in conventional weapons. The treaty will be negotiated at a global conference under the auspices of the United Nations from 2 – 27 July 2012 in New York.
As of September 14, 2011, 58 US Senators (45 Republicans and 13 Democrats) have expressed their opposition to an ATT that would limit the Second Amendment rights of US citizens.[”
You can all go re-bury your heads in the sand.
East Lake Ira
July 19th, 2012
12:26 pm
I’m sure JPMorgan created a vast number of jobs from this increased revenue, right?
Willie
July 19th, 2012
12:26 pm
Banks seem to scam us for hundreds of millions of dollars but to scam trillions you need the government.
Madmax
July 19th, 2012
12:26 pm
And what moron controls the ISO? Is it the PUC or some other state agency? Shouldn’t alarm bells go off in ones head when you see a bank in the energy business? But they followed their rules and procedures and got ripped off because they didn’t use common sense and do due diligence on the bidders. Not defending the bank, just saying that the solution is not that difficult.
JohnnyReb
July 19th, 2012
12:27 pm
This is not an anti-capitalist or socialist issue. It’s a regulation issue. The first question is, is there an existing regulation that prohibits the conduct? If there is, who is responsible for enforcing it, and fire them. If there is no regulation prohibiting this conduct, then make one. Notice I state regulation, not a new law. Unlike the crap coming from HHS, a regulation to stop this conduct is in order.
You don't say
July 19th, 2012
12:28 pm
“What they don’t tell people is that the invisible hand is a kleptomaniac who plies his trade if he’s not properly regulated.”
Surely seems there are more cases as you noted then less regulation bringing out more honesty and openness from the impacted industry.
End of the day, you have character and integrity or you don’t.
I wont name names, but one blogger is either hyping the issue to be funny or showing their lack of character and integrity.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:28 pm
Jm — “I disagree People get hacked at the government Not the welfare recipient”
Given the sentiments expressed on this board in the past, I have no idea how you could possibly think that.
Brosephus™
July 19th, 2012
12:29 pm
Jay @ 12:24
So very true. Also, did you see where the lobbyist responsible for Ralston’s European Rail Experience paid a $300 fine to make the complaint go away?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:29 pm
RB — “From below…I can beleive none of you basement dwelling morons knows about the UN agreement, but I feel pretty certain Jay knows about it and intentionally left off half the story as he is prone to do in his agenda driven posts.”
The wingnut is strong in this one.
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 19th, 2012
12:29 pm
Bro
JHM outed my plans to sell water to Alabama.
with this ‘ Would we permit an investment bank to speculate in water in parched areas of the desert Southwest?’
too funny
He mistook southwest for southeast
Beth
July 19th, 2012
12:30 pm
Jay, you are not a solicalst becasue you think that banks shouldn’t be crooked, you are a socialist because like Obama, you think that labor produces wealth and you hate invidual business people making investments and getting rewarded. You are a a socialist because you think an unending parade of new taxes and new rules will somehow create wealth and prosperity in the country. You are a socialist becasue you don’t really give a fig about liberty or freedom and would sell your birthright for a bit of ugly, government sponsored subsidy.
TGT
July 19th, 2012
12:31 pm
You mean the same JP Morgan that has donated millions to Obama and the Democrats (this election and the last)?
bob
July 19th, 2012
12:31 pm
Who is in charge of setting this system up ? If it was easy to scam the system then they need a new system.
Brosephus™
July 19th, 2012
12:31 pm
End of the day, you have character and integrity or you don’t.
Point well made!! In this day and age of American Gimmeism, I think we’re suffering from a significant lack of integrity.
JohnnyReb
July 19th, 2012
12:31 pm
RB – don’t become discouraged. There are a few regulars here who would not believe a fact if it hit them in the face. They had rather attempt to defame a Conservative than take the time to determine if we are correct. I’m not sure about you, but I don’t post here to change minds. I concluded long ago that is not gonna happen. I do know when I hit a nerve, they call me racist or other defamations.
Jay
July 19th, 2012
12:32 pm
Labor doesn’t produce wealth, Beth?
Oh my. This one I will have to see explained. Please, expound on that fascinating theory of yours.
TGT
July 19th, 2012
12:32 pm
What’s more, Obama is a big fan: http://occupycorporatism.com/obama-omits-disclosure-on-his-two-bank-accounts-at-jpmorgan/
Brosephus™
July 19th, 2012
12:32 pm
NoCom
You’re still peddling that “yellow water”??
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
12:33 pm
People get hacked at the government
Not the welfare recipient
Jm, I’m not buying this.
For instance– when this Administration announced it would be enabling individual states to make modest eligibility changes to receive public assistance, the right wing exploded in outrage. The usually even-keeled Kyle Wingfield even joined in the frenzy.
http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2012/07/13/obama-tramples-welfare-reform-rule-of-law/
Jay
July 19th, 2012
12:34 pm
Yes, Bro. And did you note that said $300 fine was exactly what it would have cost him to sign up as a lobbyist in the first place? In other words, he paid no penalty whatsoever for breaking the law.
If you get caught driving your car without a license, are they going to let you off for the price of the license? Yeah right.
More fodder for the “if you get caught stealing a dollar” theory.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:34 pm
Common Sense — “too funny He mistook southwest for southeast”
I think they’re probably a little dryer in West Texas, New Mexico and Arizona than they are down in South Jawja, but whatever works for you.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
12:35 pm
The banks will scrap the libor scam because it was busted but will propose a more profitable scam.
A collapse is a national security priority.
Which attack hurt the most Americans?
9/11 or the collapse?
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 19th, 2012
12:35 pm
Maybe if JPMCs taxes weren’t so high, and they weren’t burdedned by over regulation and uncertainty about Obamacare, they wouldn’t have to resort to such measures to make a profit.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:35 pm
Beth — “like Obama, you think that labor produces wealth”
OMGWTFLOLBBQ
Brosephus™
July 19th, 2012
12:35 pm
dB
I didn’t receive my “Being Black” memo for the week. What’s my latest talking points? I don’t wanna be left out of the loop.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
July 19th, 2012
12:36 pm
…you are a socialist because…
You are a fear monger
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
12:37 pm
http://factcheck.org/2012/06/still-no-international-gun-ban-treaty/
RB, don’t you have some minimum-wage slaves that need whippin’ or something?
Brosephus™
July 19th, 2012
12:37 pm
More fodder for the “if you get caught stealing a dollar” theory.
That statement is what made me think about that fine. I got hit with a super speeder “fine” last year, and I would have been much better off giving Ralson that rail trip. I paid about 2.5 times the fine for not being a registered lobbyist.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:38 pm
J. Reb — “They had rather attempt to defame a Conservative than take the time to determine if we are correct.”
Not our job to prove or disprove your wild-eyed claims. If you can’t be bothered to provide evidentiary support for the crazy crap you say, I don’t see why any of us should expend the effort.
“I’m not sure about you, but I don’t post here to change minds. I concluded long ago that is not gonna happen.”
No proof = no minds changed.
“I do know when I hit a nerve, they call me racist or other defamations.”
Normally, you only get called a racist when you post racist stuff. Which, admittedly, you only do a couple of times a month.
Can’t imagine why something like that would get someone called a racist.
You don't say
July 19th, 2012
12:39 pm
Brosephus™
Some of the very people laughing when a regulator doesn’t do his job and thinks that justifies the actions of a company or industry are the some of those pushing for less regulation.
They are letting you know, I am good with gaming the system as long as “I get mine”.
Flip side: They would be some of the very ones suing a company if they were impacted and it was known a regulation was not followed
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 19th, 2012
12:39 pm
Beth – “like Obama, you think that labor produces wealth”
Okay Beth, empty out Home Depot Corporate, and and all the employees in the stores and let me know how much “wealth” rolls in with just a store manager and the CEO running everything.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
12:40 pm
I didn’t receive my “Being Black” memo for the week.
I’ll get to it next week. I’m shiftless and lazy, after all.
You don't say
July 19th, 2012
12:40 pm
I see Jm got busy when asked to back up his claim on blackouts.
Go figure
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
July 19th, 2012
12:41 pm
Well, well, well….
And there remains a few knuckleheads who think another member
of the monied elite should sit behind the resolute desk.
Pretty damn sad.
Pretty damn stupid.
RB from Gwinnett
July 19th, 2012
12:41 pm
Gee aquagirl, you were able to find a snopes report from 2010 that says a treaty being negotiated THIS MONTH hasn’t been signed yet!! With skills like that, Jay might want you on his staff.
I don’t suppose you noticed the part where it says the agreement is being negotiated????
ty webb
July 19th, 2012
12:42 pm
“I’ll get to it next week. I’m shiftless and lazy, after all.”
though, perhaps you are “clean” and “articulate”…. so it’s a wash.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:42 pm
B. Cassidy — “Okay Beth, empty out Home Depot Corporate, and and all the employees in the stores and let me know how much “wealth” rolls in with just a store manager and the CEO running everything.”
Nardelli created lots of wealth for shareholders! All he had to do was quit and the market cap went up!
Fred ™
July 19th, 2012
12:42 pm
ty webb
July 19th, 2012
12:05 pm
“So forget I said anything, will ya?”
some of us already do this…daily.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And yet another sterling example of the fine intellectual ability of the right………
getalife
July 19th, 2012
12:44 pm
Beth,
Jay called you out.
We are listening …….
ty webb
July 19th, 2012
12:44 pm
“And yet another sterling example of the fine intellectual ability of the right………”
indeed.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
12:44 pm
It’s THIS MONTH!
WAKE UP WHITE PEOPLE!
Steve - USA "None of the Above"
July 19th, 2012
12:44 pm
“Okay Beth, empty out Home Depot Corporate, and and all the employees in the stores and let me know how much “wealth” rolls in with just a store manager and the CEO running everything.”
It’s a Chicken and the Egg argument. How about we empty the store and then tear it down and return it to an empty lot before Corporate Home Depot decided to build a store. How many paychecks and wealth is that empty lot producing?
Donovan
July 19th, 2012
12:44 pm
Slow day for Jay, so he peruses all of the likey left wing news rags. Eureka! The old LA Times didn’t let the cheerleader down, libs.
That fine liberal news rag found another BIG Wall Street Bank(s) raping the poor down-trodden working class stiff in kooky California.
Based on this ridiculous way to provide electricity to the citizens of California, says a lot about the way California is run.
These banks figured out an easy way to make some money on the stupidity of the state. It all seems legal and it is rather brilliant of the finance world to figure it out.
Only in America.
Fred ™
July 19th, 2012
12:45 pm
Beth
July 19th, 2012
12:30 pm
Jay, you are not a solicalst becasue you think that banks shouldn’t be crooked, you are a socialist because like Obama, you think that labor produces wealth and you hate invidual business people making investments and getting rewarded. You are a a socialist because you think an unending parade of new taxes and new rules will somehow create wealth and prosperity in the country. You are a socialist becasue you don’t really give a fig about liberty or freedom and would sell your birthright for a bit of ugly, government sponsored subsidy.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Could someone, ANYONE point out any evidence of logic, truth, or thought in the above post?
Jay
July 19th, 2012
12:45 pm
RB, your campaign to prove that you’re NOT gullible enough to swallow any half-baked theory that comes along … I do not think it is going very well.
larry
July 19th, 2012
12:46 pm
According to a report by Credit Suisse, as of last year 15 nations in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development had higher median wealth than the United States. As Kenneth Thomas noted at Middle Class Political Economist, “It turns out that lots of OECD countries, including economic basket cases Italy, Spain, and Ireland, have higher median wealth than we do.”
https://infocus.credit-suisse.com/data/_product_documents/_shop/324292/2011_global_wealth_report_databook.pdf
So, the last 30 years of flat wages are finally creeping up to us.
Terrence
July 19th, 2012
12:46 pm
It started with the Peace Plan.
“Steve Peace (D-El Cajon) chaired the Senate energy committee. He won the job of guiding the deregulation legislation.”
FrankLeeDarling
July 19th, 2012
12:46 pm
And just why am I paying 9 dollars a month for Georgia power
To build a nuclear power plant? Do I get a return on my investment ?
Brosephus™
July 19th, 2012
12:46 pm
You don’t say
I guess that’s The American Way 2.0 for the 21st Century.
————
dB
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:47 pm
Donavan — “These banks figured out an easy way to make some money on the stupidity of the state. It all seems legal and it is rather brilliant of the finance world to figure it out.”
If you didn’t WANT to be ripped off in the electricity market, maybe you should have thought about getting your OWN electricity.
The latest version of the blame-the-victim methodology.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
12:48 pm
More stuff with which to bait and mock the RBs of this planet, if you’re interested.
http://www.lsureveille.com/scum-of-the-girth-deconstructing-fox-news-articles-a-frustrating-futile-practice-1.2747946#.UAg6L5Hufcw
Fred ™
July 19th, 2012
12:48 pm
Steve – USA “None of the Above”
July 19th, 2012
12:44 pm
“Okay Beth, empty out Home Depot Corporate, and and all the employees in the stores and let me know how much “wealth” rolls in with just a store manager and the CEO running everything.”
It’s a Chicken and the Egg argument. How about we empty the store and then tear it down and return it to an empty lot before Corporate Home Depot decided to build a store. How many paychecks and wealth is that empty lot producing?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The same number. The folks that wanted teh product will now go to Lowe’s thereby increasing THEIR work force.
Do you, like Beth subscribe to the elitist fantasy that “rich people” create jobs? Really? Jobs in F’ing China maybe………..
Madmax
July 19th, 2012
12:49 pm
And now a word from those benevolent peace loving folks
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/world/africa/jidhadists-fierce-justice-drives-thousands-to-flee-mali.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120718
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
12:49 pm
FrankLeeDarling — “And just why am I paying 9 dollars a month for Georgia power To build a nuclear power plant? Do I get a return on my investment ?”
No, no. That’s not *your* investment. That’s *Georgia Power’s* investment.
See, big players invest money and take risks. Never mind that it’s not always their *own* money and that they’re often completely insulated from any risk — since they ‘invested’ and took on ‘risk,’ they get all the “rewards.”
See how that works?
You don't say
July 19th, 2012
12:51 pm
Brosephus™
And to top it off they would be looking for the same trial lawyer they demean if they were going to sue someone.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
July 19th, 2012
12:52 pm
Gee aquagirl, you were able to find a snopes report from 2010…
Gee RB, you didn’t scroll down to the bottom and see the Last updated: 9 July 2012 line did ya? With skills like that, Breibart might want you on his staff. (if he wasn’t like, dead and all)
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
12:54 pm
Kam
Maybe RB is that Okeefe guy who does those edited videos for Breitbart
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
12:55 pm
No doubt. We need to more closely regulate businesses like Wall Street firms that operate out of blue states like NY and this case Cali. The rampant political corruption common in blue states and cities looks like it seeps into cozy corruption with big bidness- that crony capitalism at work again in the blue states.
Rockerbabe
July 19th, 2012
12:55 pm
Sounds like fraud to me; or corruption if you will. Where’s a good prosecutor when you need one?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
12:56 pm
Brei[t]bart might want you on his staff. (if he wasn’t like, dead and all)
The man is dead, but the iconography lives on.
JohnnyReb
July 19th, 2012
12:57 pm
JHM – if was the blog god, I would ban you for being immature. You need to learn how to separate anti-political correctness from actual racists beliefs/comments.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
12:57 pm
(if he wasn’t like, dead and all)
Classy libs at work. Stay classy libs.
St Simons
July 19th, 2012
12:59 pm
inside baseball of deregulated public utilities, the crooked bid process,
ah, the beauty of having the low-information voter as your base.
See why they’re against you being educated?
See why they want you to watch jesus & the dinosaur videos
in your charter bible school? see it yet?
See why they introduce 400 abortion bills and created no jobs?
Sure you do.
Hootinanny Yum Yum
July 19th, 2012
1:00 pm
Nobel Peace Prize?
You didn’t earn that. Somebody else made that happen.
Misty Fyed
July 19th, 2012
1:00 pm
Socialism is just a code word for fear? No Socialism is an economic system that has been tried by great men like Linen, Stalin, and Guevera. It has worked in only the smallest of economies marked by a lack of diversity and a people of similar work ethics. We know what it looks like. It’s not an imaginary monster under the bed. Many of us don’t like it or want it. When we see something that looks like it…we fight it. Not a fight with an imaginary beast. A fight with a failed economic system.
JohnnyReb
July 19th, 2012
1:00 pm
“Socialism” is just a code word for “fear,” the monster under you bed”
BS – socialisim is a lot more than fear. It runs amuck among us.
RB from Gwinnett
July 19th, 2012
1:01 pm
Wow, there is a senate resolution by 45 R’s and 13 D’s denouncing a treaty that doesn’t exist and Hillary didn’t make an announcement about. Hmmmm….
TiredOfIt
July 19th, 2012
1:01 pm
You didn’t earn that. Somebody else made that happen.
–
Sort of like life; You didn’t create yourself, someone else made it happen.
emo
July 19th, 2012
1:02 pm
I think the operative phrase here is ‘ISO rules allow bidders to claim payments of up to twice their real costs.’
What do I need to do to get a rule that I can charge my employer up to twice the amount they agreed to pay me?
JohnnyReb
July 19th, 2012
1:02 pm
Misty Fyed @ 1:00PM – excellent. What’s amazaing to me is, that here in these United States we have open discussion of electing Obama for Socialisim or Romney for Capitalisim. We are in big trouble.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
1:02 pm
Joel,
White powder!
H. J. Pennypacker
July 19th, 2012
1:04 pm
I hope this does not stop our ability to continue Wall Street’s long con of privatizing our gains and socializing our losses.
JohnnyReb
July 19th, 2012
1:04 pm
Who is Joel Provano?
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
July 19th, 2012
1:04 pm
Kinda like “racism.”
You got proof I’ve played the racist/racism card, sport?
getalife
July 19th, 2012
1:04 pm
Who built the roads and infrastructure for companies to make record profits?
You did silly.
It was your money that built that.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
1:05 pm
J. Reb — “JHM – if was the blog god, I would ban you for being immature.”
Silly blog-theist. There is no blog god. There is, however, Jay. (giggling)
“You need to learn how to separate anti-political correctness from actual racists beliefs/comments.”
And you need to take a good, close look at yourself in the mirror, warts and all.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
1:05 pm
Wow, there is a senate resolution by 45 R’s and 13 D’s denouncing
…anything from the heartbreak of psoriasis to Skittle-crapping unicorns, if such a thing will net a few votes from dumb rubes who fall for them.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
1:06 pm
M. Fyed — “No Socialism is an economic system that has been tried by great men like Linen”
No wonder Obama is so interested in it. After all, he’s one-a them thar Muslins.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
1:06 pm
“Nobel Peace Prize?
You didn’t earn that. Somebody else made that happen.”
Oh my God that is funny! Hootinanny gets the funny post of the day.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
1:06 pm
“Who is Joel Provano?”
I have no idea.
JohnnyReb
July 19th, 2012
1:06 pm
JHM – as I stated, you are immature. BTW, some immature people are also intelligent, can write well, etc. Being educated does not immune one from immaturity.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
July 19th, 2012
1:07 pm
BS – socialisim is a lot more than fear. It runs amuck among us.
Thanks for proving my point.
Jefferson
July 19th, 2012
1:07 pm
The ice contract during the Katrina disaster were giving to companies with no ice machines. By the time the ice was delivered it was “stepped on” many times.
Don't Tread
July 19th, 2012
1:08 pm
Nice sleight of hand…taking the activities of one company and using them to denigrate them all as “the grifters on Wall Street”.
Using your standard, then all Democrats are statists and hate individual rights, as there are enough of you here advocating more power for the government and the taking away of individual rights you don’t agree with.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
1:08 pm
Why are the libs blamimg JP Morgan. After all it was the government that made JP Morgan the big bank that they are. They never earned nuthin. The gubment made all that happen.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
1:09 pm
“Who is Joel Provano?”
I have no idea.
In charge of the nursery while Dad goes out of cell phone range, I guess.
Jefferson
July 19th, 2012
1:10 pm
Without socialism, all ya’lls buddy “numbers” would be working somewhere else…
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
1:10 pm
Joel Pravano
Is that some one’s adult film name?
DannyX
July 19th, 2012
1:10 pm
Wow Jay, you are totally insensitive. Corporations are people my friend, you have made JP Morgan & Chase cry. Have you no decency?????
Oscar
July 19th, 2012
1:12 pm
This stems from the fact that California has no capacity to generate electricity and has to buy all of it from out of state. When they decided to go that route they gave up all necessary control over the process and over their costs.
California. Good study in what not to do.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
1:12 pm
“In charge of the nursery while Dad goes out of cell phone range, I guess.”
My guess too so lets give him the rules.
No drama, no lying and no cons are in charge of this blog.
Jay
July 19th, 2012
1:13 pm
““Nobel Peace Prize?
You didn’t earn that. Somebody else made that happen.”
It was indeed funny, and I’d even have to agree with the sentiment.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
1:15 pm
JohnnyReb — “JHM – as I stated, you are immature.”
Given your other spectacular failures of judgment, I’m not particularly concerned about your personal assessment of me.
“BTW, some immature people are also intelligent, can write well, etc. Being educated does not immune one from immaturity.”
Indeed! Once again, have a good, close look in the mirror.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
July 19th, 2012
1:15 pm
Who is Joel Provano?
Looks like he’s dispatch editor at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution
bookman parrot
July 19th, 2012
1:15 pm
Jay,
I think one day (to be “fair”) you should blog about, “have the parasites found a new way to live off the taxpayers” as well…
Beth
July 19th, 2012
1:16 pm
Jay never notices the billions that government tosses away. If you want to hold up a bank, get a gun, if you want to hold up a country, get elected.
bookman parrot
July 19th, 2012
1:16 pm
and i’m not talking about grandma and grandpa getting benefits that they actually help pay into during their lives …
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
1:19 pm
Is that some one’s adult film name?
Sounds like something that hookers charge extra for.
Fred ™
July 19th, 2012
1:19 pm
barking frog
July 19th, 2012
1:19 pm
Who would you want to
keep your money?
JP Morgan?
California?
Neither?
getalife
July 19th, 2012
1:21 pm
Perhaps Joel can tell us what willard is hiding or dispatch some investigative reporting to find out.
It will make you famous Joel.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
1:21 pm
“The ice contract during the Katrina disaster were giving to companies with no ice machines. By the time the ice was delivered it was “stepped on” many times.”
Makes ya wonder what all those poor folks did for the previous 6,000 years of human existence without ice or ice machines. Waaaaaaaa. How did they ever survive without ice machines?
barking frog
July 19th, 2012
1:21 pm
Fred™ 1:19
Hold that thought.
Fred ™
July 19th, 2012
1:24 pm
barking frog: I was just at another website and the code I typed here was an emoticon “passing wind” as it were lol. i wondered how it would turn out here. It was blind coincidence (or fate lol) that it posted where it did…….
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 19th, 2012
1:26 pm
Beth – “Jay never notices the billions that government tosses away. If you want to hold up a bank, get a gun, if you want to hold up a country, get elected.”
Sooooo…..nothing to back up your “labor doesn’t produce wealth” theory. Damn, I was hoping you had discovered a whole new way to run profitable companies without employees.
Tall
July 19th, 2012
1:27 pm
…”Here’s how the Times explains it (and don’t worry, it’s not as complicated as it may seem):..
I’ve read this three times and I still can’t make sense out of it. Why is JPM involved in the first place?
They don’t own or operate utilities. The purpose of these wholesale auction market mechanisms is to allow better allocation of capacity utilization between the electricity generators. My initial thought is that the L.A. Times is leaving out a few details.
“I have nothing against the press….they wouldn’t print it if weren’t true.” Sunday Papers – Joe Jackson
getalife
July 19th, 2012
1:27 pm
Ann Romney: ‘We’ve Given All You People Need To Know’
You people?
What are you hiding ann?
St Simons
July 19th, 2012
1:29 pm
JP Morgan doesn’t own a refinery either, but at LEAST $1/gal
of your take-home gas monay (that you’ve paid taxes on once
ALREADY by god heheh) is largely JPMs futures speculation.
And they’ll go to their first church of the hypocrites on sundy & read
about their jaysus doing what to the moneychangers?
and it won’t jar a single brain cell….
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
1:29 pm
Frog, I’m going to add a couple to your list just for fun.
Who would you want to
keep your money?
JP Morgan? And earn less than 1% on my money? No thanks
California? Just another wasteful blue state going broke. No thanks
Neither? Affirmed
Obama? 5 added trillion in debt- And lose all my money like with Solyndra? No thanks
Bain Capital? Oh hell yeah. If I coulda given 10k to Mitt way back when then it would be awesome to see how much my money would have grown to today. Looks like we got a winner.
I wonder if any of the libs would actually say they would rather have their personal money given to Obama than Bain capital? Naw. Even they aint that dumb.
Thomas
July 19th, 2012
1:31 pm
We are moving back to the Age of Realism. Folks and institutions will be rewarded for what they actually do or produce. Buyers will want to see actual results and “press the flesh” and see items produced.
Sorry blog host- even dumb advertisers will soon learn that the internet is over saturated with marketing and you will need to raise your game to have 1000’s of followers.
Economic data was horrific- punch bowl is empty, lights are on and simply a bunch of gov’t drunks stumbling around about to ask Bernake for some fresh $’s to be printed.
kimmer
July 19th, 2012
1:32 pm
Ho hum… When are you going to cover Obama’s assertion that successful businessmen didn’t really build their businesses?
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
1:33 pm
Jay
The jm at 12:20 is a fraud or whatever u call them
Tall
July 19th, 2012
1:33 pm
…”JP Morgan doesn’t own a refinery either, but at LEAST $1/gal
of your take-home gas monay (that you’ve paid taxes on once
ALREADY by god heheh) is largely JPMs futures speculation…”
St. Simons:
Prove it, because I would like to see the numbers. You may well be right. Did JPM help drive down the cost of crude oil and gasoline in 2008 as well?
Fred ™
July 19th, 2012
1:34 pm
Doomy: Read this:
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0717-03.htm
Thomas Heyward Jr.
July 19th, 2012
1:35 pm
From the MSM——————
.
“President Obama has assets valued between $500,000 and $1 million in a JP Morgan Chase checking account, according to financial disclosure forms released by the White House today.
.
Obama, who also has between $1,000 and $15,000 in a separate JPMorgan Chase account, recently called JPMorgan “one of the best managed banks there is,” despite its recent controversial $2 billion trading loss.”
.
Ron Paul—————–not afifliated JPHorgan Chase.
.
Dummies.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
1:35 pm
Doom — “Bain Capital? Oh hell yeah. If I coulda given 10k to Mitt way back when then it would be awesome to see how much my money would have grown to today. Looks like we got a winner. ”
I’m sure you know how risky any individual investment is in venture capital. Even if you could get aboard, you’d probably be more likely to lose your shirt than to strike it rich. It’s those who can stay on the bull for the whole ride that wind up cashing in.
John Birch
July 19th, 2012
1:37 pm
The ISO needs to change its rules. Don’t blame Chase, they just lost like 2B+ in derivatives trading so they need to make the money back somewhere. Maybe congress can get Jaime Dimon to explain how this happened.
MiltonMan
July 19th, 2012
1:38 pm
I thought Obozo just told us that JP Morgan was a finely ran bank/company. He also has a “$500k-$1M” “private account with the crooks.
Obama’s fault!
Fred ™
July 19th, 2012
1:40 pm
MiltonMan
July 19th, 2012
1:38 pm
+++++++++++++++++
The collective blog IQ just dropped 15 points……..
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
1:41 pm
Fred,
That was an interesting read. But of course it was mostly an opinion piece and not very heavy on empirical evidence to back his claims. Plus he doesn’t hide his open disdain for private markets so you have to keep in mind that he was writing from a fairly biased viewpoint. Still some interesting points nonetheless. As for corruption and corporate malfeasance though this has been going on forever. Nothing new there.
Goldie
July 19th, 2012
1:46 pm
I feel pretty certain that JPMorgan considers itself one of the “job creators” in our economy.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
1:47 pm
“I’m sure you know how risky any individual investment is in venture capital.”
Joe mama,
Oh yeah. I’ve known venture capitalists and I’ve been told many times that they expect a good deal of their ventures to fail. But in the ones that succeed they are expecting enormous returns. So you could lose your shirt on a few deals but when you hit on a staples or good lord a facebook or ebay or youtube then you’re set for life. There is a reason why private placements, bridge financing, and other high risk investments have high net worth requirements. As it stands Doomy wouldn’t be qualified to invest in those opportunities. But one can dream.
St Simons
July 19th, 2012
1:50 pm
Tall, I don’t know what your career background is, so I will assume
you are an interested reader, not necessarily an in-the-weeds
accountant or something. The best two books describing this
at the ‘educated generalist’ level are by Raymond J Learsey –
“Oil & Finance: The Epic Corruption”
“Oil & Finance: The Epic Corruption Continues”
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
1:51 pm
Didn’t know banks are involved in electricity markets but 60 minutes had an interesting special a while back on the sheer number of companies- banks, wall street houses, and I think plenty of generic companies like maybe food companies that dabbled in oil futures. None of course ever took physical delivery of the oil but instead just held speculative positions. I suspect them being involved in electricity markets is much the same thing though I can’t imagine why they would be allowed to be wholesaling electricity.
ragnar danneskjold
July 19th, 2012
1:51 pm
I am more distressed by the grifters running our government than by the crooks on Wall Street. The DC hoodlums steal more.
carlosgvv
July 19th, 2012
1:51 pm
To the sociopaths who run Wall Street, personal wealth is the number one priority. It easily tops family, friends, religion(nothing more than a social necessity), and clubs.
A good illustration of this would be for Obama to propose a windfall profits tax on Wall Street businesses. Wall Street lobbyists would literally stampede into Washington and tell their political lackeys, in the clearest possible terms, that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES are they to let this tax become law
Greed wins in America, every single time.
America is rotting from within. And, like every similar empire before, is destined to fall. It’s just a matter of time.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
1:54 pm
George Schulz drives a Nissan Leaf
too little time
July 19th, 2012
1:55 pm
It sounds to me like the bid system is broken, and JPMorgan are just taking advantage of it. Don’t let a bidder price current electricity higher than the future bid. In other words, if you are not willing to sell it TODAY at the reduced rate, you can’t use that reduced rate in your bid.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
1:55 pm
“I am more distressed by the grifters running our government than by the crooks on Wall Street. The DC hoodlums steal more.”
True. The Wall street grifters will at least be prosecuted, fined, etc for the millions they steal. Now in regards to prosecuting the DC grifters and the billions they cost us…..
mm
July 19th, 2012
1:56 pm
But the cons continue to vote for the scum that protects these crooks.
And i”ll bet you my paycheck they haven’t been trickled down on yet.
St Simons
July 19th, 2012
1:57 pm
Did JPM help drive down the cost of crude oil and gasoline in 2008 ?
Interesting thought. Some including ABC Business say their
ups & downs do –
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/05/shakeup-at-jpmorgan-oil-headed-down/
I don’t think so. I think they saw the torches & pitchforks coming
myself. And that’s Learsy, no e.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
1:58 pm
You know power is funny. Reliability is paramount.
I’m pretty sure Taleb would say that things that are fragile or require high reliability need to be handled with robust, simple regulatory frameworks.
CA’s reg framework is beyond complex and stupid.
Regulated utilities would then be a good route.
But people love choice. So how do you do that and maintain a robust system?
I think there are good solutions. Not in CA tho
Brosephus™
July 19th, 2012
2:04 pm
The Wall street grifters will at least be prosecuted, fined, etc for the millions they steal.
Not in America… Unless you’re considering them being prosecuted in the court of public opinion.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
2:05 pm
Stop dumbing down the blog cons.
We know you bow down.
We get it.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
2:05 pm
Jm,
I think what a lot of people on here that regurgitate “we need more regulation” don’t realize is that extremely complex and expensive regulations favor the biggest players. They can afford the costs associated with these complexities while the smaller players that would keep them honest via competition cannot. So in an ironical sort of way regulation can have the negative effect of actually helping big business at the expense of the public.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
2:05 pm
Doom — “So you could lose your shirt on a few deals but when you hit on a staples or good lord a facebook or ebay or youtube then you’re set for life. There is a reason why private placements, bridge financing, and other high risk investments have high net worth requirements. As it stands Doomy wouldn’t be qualified to invest in those opportunities. But one can dream.”
I can dig it.
MiltonMan
July 19th, 2012
2:05 pm
“MiltonMan
July 19th, 2012
1:38 pm
+++++++++++++++++
The collective blog IQ just dropped 15 points……..”
Oh yes, Fred and his typical “I can’t argue the facts so I will take cheap personal shots” – keep up the good work akin to a 3rd grader pal.
MiltonMan
July 19th, 2012
2:07 pm
“But the cons continue to vote for the scum that protects these crooks.
And i”ll bet you my paycheck they haven’t been trickled down on yet.”
They voted for Obozo in ‘08??? News to me.
Jay
July 19th, 2012
2:10 pm
Got it, jm. Appears to have been someone passing through.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
2:11 pm
“Not in America… Unless you’re considering them being prosecuted in the court of public opinion.”
Bernie Madoff, Ivan Boesky, Dennis Levine, Michael Milken, Robert Brennan, and on and on. Enron execs, plenty of Wall Street grifters have been prosecuted. If they are doing something illegal they can and will be prosecuted- unless a politician can step in to help. Now why Dave Corzine has not yet been prosecuted is indeed a mystery.
Citizen of the World
July 19th, 2012
2:12 pm
This is outrageous. Those crooks need to be put under the jail for this underhanded gaming of the system.
Do I get an amen from conservative, Christian, right-wing Republicans?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
2:13 pm
“I can’t argue the facts so I will take cheap personal shots” – keep up the good work akin to a 3rd grader pal.
Oh, the irony.
yuzeyurbrane
July 19th, 2012
2:14 pm
A little larceny is often the profit margin.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
2:16 pm
I pray for the time the right stops bowing down.
It will take unity to purge corporate power.
I am guessing the next generation will fight this battle.
George P. Burdell
July 19th, 2012
2:17 pm
California’s energy market has so many problems that it is laughable to zero in on one instance, especially when the author admits it is a very complicated market. California decided they didn’t want to build new power plants a couple of decades ago and would instead focus on lowering energy consumption to meet future growth. That led to buying bulk power from out-of-state to meet the inevitable shortfall. When the power being shipped in began to be needed in the states of origin, California got caught in a bind because their utilities didn’t own enough generation to meet demand. That led to the fiasco in the late 1990’s and all of the outrage that came from it. The current market model was revamped to deal with those issues but the same problems remain. By limiting new sources of generation, California has made existing generation even more valuable and open for manipulation. All of this came about because of regulation. It is equally laughable that if California went back to utilities providing generation and in turn would receive a reasonable return, all of the problems would be solved. The reason California deregulated in the first place is becuase they felt like the utilities were doing a poor job of doing just that. In any event, if new generation sources are not allowed to come on-line, it doesn’t matter what the model is, prices will remain high and reliability will suffer.
PJM has been in operation for more than a decade and has grown to include even more territory utilitizing a similar system to the California ISO. The JP Morgans of the world compete in that market as well and it works much more effectively for everyone. The difference is that utilities within this region can bring on new generation capacity when it is economically feasible to do so. It too has had its bumps in the road, but they have been worked out along the way.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
2:17 pm
“Do I get an amen from conservative, Christian, right-wing Republicans?”
If they are indeed breaking the law then yes- you do get an amen from this one. And it would be nice to see the people in charge who authorized the theft criminally prosecuted. I don’t know if that’s possible though or if it would be civil penalties only. Where is blog lawyer debbiedoright when we need her? Or any other blog lawyers for that matter?
MiltonMan
July 19th, 2012
2:18 pm
““I can’t argue the facts so I will take cheap personal shots” – keep up the good work akin to a 3rd grader pal.
Oh, the irony.”
It’s called “stooping to the level of the libs”.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
2:20 pm
M. Man — “It’s called “stooping to the level of the libs”.
Stooping? Punkin, it’d take you a *ladder.*
godless heathen
July 19th, 2012
2:22 pm
Those crooks need to be put under the jail for this underhanded gaming of the system.
Is underhanded gaming illegal? If they broke Federal laws Holder should prosecute them. That’s Holder, Eric (D) Attorney General.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
2:23 pm
It’s called “stooping to the level of the libs”.
Pot, meet kettle.
Now you’re trying to walk it back.
Too funny, 3rd grader pal.
Dick Fuld
July 19th, 2012
2:25 pm
I’ll rip their hearts out
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
2:25 pm
George P. Burdell,
Excellent synopsis. That rekindles memories of what brought about the Cali electric generation problems to begin with- too much regulation, probably too many lawsuits against proposed new power plants and thus no new power plants coming on line in the past couple of decades to meet growing demand. Looks like the bottom line is that Cali’s energy problems are self inflicted due to regulation and liberal politics preventing new power plants coming online.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
2:26 pm
MiltonMom
You spin to much. Oreilly just cancelled your appearance on his show.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
2:27 pm
MiltonMan
My bad
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
2:27 pm
Doom 2:05 very true
Regulation favors incumbents and the large players
It hurts entrepreneurs, small companies, and new entrants
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 19th, 2012
2:27 pm
looks like the law of unintended consequences comes into play with this.
Corporate entities are always looking for a way to make a buck.
If it was illegal PROSECUTE.
If not illegal close the loopholes.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
2:28 pm
Jay (re fraudster) thx
Mighty Righty
July 19th, 2012
2:29 pm
The policy and procedures by the California ISO are regulated by the state Public Utility Commission which in reality means it is not Wall Street ripping off the citizens of California but the Democrat controlled state government. San Diego Gas and Electric, Pacific Gas and Electric and the other utility companies which are the benefactors of the state regulated policies no doubt are major contributors to the state’s politicians. This is more likely another case of political cronyism like Solyndra than a “Wall Street” rip off. Has anyone checked to see how much TARP or Stimulous money went to these folks?
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
2:31 pm
JP Morgan is run by a Democrat
Sorry
John Birch
July 19th, 2012
2:31 pm
Time to boycott Chickfila that corporate paragon of gay-bashing greed.
Carlos
July 19th, 2012
2:32 pm
California is just a nutty state. Reagan and Nixon were both elected Governor there. Nuff said.
Brosephus™
July 19th, 2012
2:33 pm
If they are doing something illegal they can and will be prosecuted- unless a politician can step in to help. Now why Dave Corzine has not yet been prosecuted is indeed a mystery.
So, in essence, SOME get prosecuted but not necessarily all who are guilty.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
2:33 pm
“JP Morgan is run by a Democrat
Sorry”
And that means what?
Jay must have edited that part where he implied anything like that and I missed the 1st run.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
2:34 pm
“The policy and procedures by the California ISO are regulated by the state Public Utility Commission which in reality means it is not Wall Street ripping off the citizens of California but the Democrat controlled state government.”
Mighty do have a point he do. I’m guessing the public svc commission is mostly Dem controlled. And it is their policies and procedures. What this article never states though is if this practice is illegal or not. Seems like this would be pretty cut and dried. Is what JP Morgan is doing illegal or not???
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
2:34 pm
“Time to boycott Chickfila that corporate paragon of gay-bashing greed”
Yep, already started
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
2:35 pm
Mighty Righty
All government subsidies given to the regulated utility industry flow to customers
GT
July 19th, 2012
2:36 pm
We live in a country of egomaniacs. When Obama said someone didn’t build that business by himself outrage was heard by the millions. People were saying that was an insult to the entrepreneur to claim he had help.
A war is declared and automatically you know there will be deaths. Some nameless face will die the day the declaration is made. The individual did nothing to deserve to die he was just caught up in a system. Capitalism works the same way. You don’t expect soldiers die in peacetime and you don’t expect people to get rich in certain parts of this world, but in America it is very common. Just like the nameless soldier that is going to die, the nameless entrepreneur is going to get rich. The system spits them out like mass production and they then act like they are gods. If Babe Ruth was born in England he would have been a bum, here he was a baseball player.
Wall Street has spun this to a fine point allowing them to make billions in bonuses for deals that probably would have been made with or without them. Then they took it to a level of getting paid for causing huge losses. The world would have been much better off if the deal was never made yet the bonuses flow. This illusion of value then goes to the next step of gaming the system. Not only are they making huge money just taking the garbage out win or lose but now they are creating profit that doesn’t exist, stealing it from California at place that needs every penny. The whole time their biggest fans are telling us there is no steroids in Wall Street these are good people.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
2:37 pm
Brocephus,
From what I’ve seen most people who blatantly break the law are in fact prosecuted. Corzine is the only one I can think of that has not been and I can’t figure out why. Makes me wonder also if a Mark Rich type pardon is in store for him if O loses the election. Keep in mind that there is a difference between breaking the law and making foolish decisions such as the derivatives fiasco in the housing meltdown.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
2:38 pm
Lunch break. I think I’ll go get me one of them delicious chick fil a sandwiches.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
2:39 pm
Now why Dave Corzine has not yet been prosecuted is indeed a mystery.
Possibly because Dave Corzine is a retired NBA player? Could that have something to do with it?
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
2:39 pm
“You little people have been given all you need to know about us.” – Ann’s Horse Trainer
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
2:39 pm
Jm
While giving money to Dems as well, Abramoff was on record saying that he was Repub, gave most of his money to Repubs and said more Republicans needed to be elected.
Did you run to hug and defend his bs?
Of course you didn’t
“He is Democrat. Sorry”
hahahahahah
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
2:41 pm
Tbs
That means incompetence and greed isn’t a one party affair
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
2:41 pm
“When Obama said someone didn’t build that business by himself”
Except, of course, he DIDN’T say that
Woodstock Mike
July 19th, 2012
2:42 pm
But I thought Obama was going to stop these types of activities?? What happenned?
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
2:42 pm
Thulsa
Buy two of them because I have officially stopped going as of this week. I was a 2 or 3 times a month chickfila person.
Could careless and already knew what their personal beliefs were, but they want to make it some corporate issue, their choice and I am sure I want be missed.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
2:43 pm
Jon Corzine and not Dave. Poo is a basketball fan. Who knew?
Woodstock Mike
July 19th, 2012
2:43 pm
Creating an environment of unemployed people hating business owners is Obama’s greatest idea yet!!
Way to bring Americans together during a tough period!!
Thanks Obama!
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
2:43 pm
“The Romney’s tax breaks made our jobs all that they are today. Muchas gracious, Ann.” – Ann’s stable hands
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
2:44 pm
Jm
Who didn’t know that? Anyone on here says different they are not too smart
I don’t even know if anything illegal was done. Seems shady but probably not illegal.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
2:45 pm
Corzine is a scumbag
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
2:47 pm
“And to your left are the post office boxes of the 150 Bain Companies residing here.” – Cayman Islands Tour Guide.
Woodstock Mike
July 19th, 2012
2:47 pm
“Except, of course, he DIDN’T say that”
More Obama defending, hilarious…
He said very clearly that if you own a business you weren’t reponsible for starting that business, someone else was. You put up all your money, you took all the sacrifice, you worked 20 hour days, but you aren’t responsible for any of that.
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
2:48 pm
Traders are smarter than regulators
Only in neoconservative speak is slimier an acronym for smarter.
Tundra Dude
July 19th, 2012
2:48 pm
Ann Romney: ‘We’ve Given All You People Need To Know’
You people?
Translation:
“I don’t discuss finances with the household staff, or any of you Little people.”
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
2:48 pm
Taxpayer
that is funny…. I don’t care what someone’s thoughts are on Bain.
Too funny
GT
July 19th, 2012
2:49 pm
“Mark Rich type pardon”
Rich was prosecuted and lived in exile. Due process, and then pardoned. C has to be arrested and have a trail , found guilty before he is pardoned. The decision to prosecute is in the state of New Jersey a Republican state. It so far has decided not to prosecute.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
2:50 pm
Corzine is a scumbag
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/6mctru3"His best season was in 1982–83 with the Bulls when he averaged 14.0 points and 8.7 rebounds per game.
His stats aren’t stellar, but hardly worthy of the appellation “scumbag.”
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
2:51 pm
they both suck,
I find it interesting that one of the posters above referred to chickfila as “gay bashing greed”. This is the problem with their point. An honest disagreement over the issue of gay marriage based on religious beliefs is all of a sudden “gay bashing greed”? With hyperbole like that its hard to take the liberal view seriously. Especially when they throw in greed behind gay bashing. Where does greed fit in when you know that you are going to lose business based upon your moral stand? How is that greed?
Its their company and if they want to make a statement on deeply held religious beliefs than that’s their business. You and others are free not to eat their sandwiches.
Wake up
July 19th, 2012
2:51 pm
And your friendly idiot government that designed the system. All you fools out there that think the government is going to answer your problems, wake up. Good luck with that
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
2:52 pm
Damn, dropped the link.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
2:52 pm
Dick Fuld — “I’ll rip their hearts out”
Weren’t you the one who said he was going to “stick it to the shorts?” Looks to me like you’re the one who *took* it in the shorts.
carlosgvv
July 19th, 2012
2:52 pm
Ann Romney – “I need a new assistant stable boy. Many of you on Bookman’s blog are perfectly suited for this job”
getalife
July 19th, 2012
2:53 pm
willard is nixon jr.
Mighty Righty
July 19th, 2012
2:53 pm
Meanwhile, back at the white house where our president hasn’t met with his “jobs” council in more than six months, the first time unemployment number is going through the roof. This weeks numbers are two steps back approaching 400,000 per week. Real estate sales weakest in more than a year. Home foreclosures exceed depression levels. But hey, we are working with Mexico to increase food stamp recipients while our own food costs are increasing at critical levels. No doubt Obama is trying to get Mexican businesses to accept US food stamps so the mexican nationals won’t have to come to the US to spend their loot. With the administration eagerly plunging headlong into a fiscal disaster of their own making, libs are whining about the job creators being successful. This is an amazing time to live. Future generations will study the ignorance of todays “progressives”.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
2:53 pm
Doom — “Lunch break. I think I’ll go get me one of them delicious chick fil a sandwiches.”
Better have three. Me and the missis aren’t going there any more.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
2:55 pm
I am pretty sure the robme’s are hiding criminal activity.
Are they a drug cartel or just laundering their money.
Something is obviously not right.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
2:56 pm
Mike — “He said very clearly that if you own a business you weren’t reponsible for starting that business, someone else was. You put up all your money, you took all the sacrifice, you worked 20 hour days, but you aren’t responsible for any of that.”
Wrong. Poor misled little con.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-these-hands-ad-you-didnt-build-that.php
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
2:56 pm
I find it interesting that one of the posters above referred to chickfila as “gay bashing greed”. This is the problem with their point. An honest disagreement over the issue of gay marriage based on religious beliefs is all of a sudden “gay bashing greed”? With hyperbole like that its hard to take the liberal view seriously.
John Birch is a liberal? Who knew?
GT
July 19th, 2012
2:57 pm
What O says is America offers this success to anyone, it is not lock up by the ruling class, the system works for all of us. In doing so he brings hope to the ones that need it the poor. Why should he need to give a pep talk to the rich?
the cat
July 19th, 2012
2:57 pm
Boycotting Chick Fil A ourselves at my house. Zaxbys is better anyways!
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
2:57 pm
Better have three.
You trying to kill the guy?
getalife
July 19th, 2012
2:58 pm
We have a con from LSU that opened Cane’s chicken.
I doubt he is dumb enough to lose half his customers.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
2:59 pm
Doom — “An honest disagreement over the issue of gay marriage based on religious beliefs”
I can handle Mr. Cathy having those honest views, so long as he doesn’t overtly make them part of his business’ image.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
2:59 pm
Better have three. Me and the missis aren’t going there any more.
Better make it five then. I won’t darken their door either.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:00 pm
“The decision to prosecute is in the state of New Jersey a Republican state”
NJ is a republican state? They have an R governor but the state has voted blue in the last several presidential elections to my knowledge. Is the statehouse also R or D?
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
3:00 pm
have you seen the parody of how it wasn’t DaVinci that painted the Mona Lisa?
someone had to cut the horse hair for the brush, and someone else has to make the thread for the canvas etc etc…DaVinici could not have painted it w/o help…it’s a good laugh
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
3:00 pm
I am starting to believe that the reason that our cons are almost universally in favor of white collar crimes like this is that they themselves want to be white collar criminals.
But lacking the brains and access, they have to be content to merely support it via blogging…
Brosephus™
July 19th, 2012
3:01 pm
From what I’ve seen most people who blatantly break the law are in fact prosecuted.
Others simply buy changes to the laws to legitimize their behaviors. That’s one of the reasons I get a chuckle from those who claim this is a Christian-based country. If that were indeed the case, much of the shady stuff would have been made illegal as opposed to encoding it in law.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:01 pm
K’Chak — “Better make it five then. I won’t darken their door either.”
Looks like Doom better cut back on the beer and hit the gym or all those sammiches are going to blow him up like a chicken-shaped balloon.
Jay
July 19th, 2012
3:03 pm
If conservatives had actual proof of Obama being the man they claim he is, they’d use it.
Instead they have to stoop to rally around truncated quotes yanked out of clear context to try to prove their point.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:03 pm
JamVet — “I am starting to believe that the reason that our cons are almost universally in favor of white collar crimes like this is that they themselves want to be white collar criminals.”
There’s a quotation — I think it’s by Hemingway — that essentially says that America’s downtrodden don’t take up for themselves because they see themselves not as the disadvantaged proletariat, but as “temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
3:04 pm
I am more distressed by the grifters running our government than by the crooks on Wall Street.
One of dozens of comments that support my last post.
Cons stupidly love the shysters and banksters. All they have to is NOT be employed by Uncle Sam. In fact if they steal gargantuan amounts of money form Uncle Sam, that makes the cons doubly happy.
I suspect that they will never find the ethos but perhaps some day their grandchildren will be smart enough to figure out that they are paying for those crimes…
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:05 pm
“I can handle Mr. Cathy having those honest views, so long as he doesn’t overtly make them part of his business’ image.”
If its his business then why do you care? I don’t care that Ben and Jerry’s have very open, very well known liberal views. Doesn’t affect me as to whether or not I buy their ice cream or not. And besides Chick fil a is still going to serve gay customers should they choose to dine there. I doubt they will have any signs plastered on their restaurants stating that they are anti- gay marriage.
In any event knowing that many liberals won’t be eating there should make for a very pleasant fast food dining experience. Hopefully the wait will be shorter also.
carlosgvv
July 19th, 2012
3:05 pm
Jay, have you ever wondered just exactly what conservatives are trying to conserve?
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
3:06 pm
“spread the wealth” -Obama
Like that jay 3:03?
carlosgvv
July 19th, 2012
3:09 pm
Jay, it’s almost Friday, time for fishing and hiking.
A word of warning. If you hear banjo music and some yahoo comes up and says “lets drop those pants, boy”, run like hell.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:10 pm
“Instead they have to stoop to rally around truncated quotes yanked out of clear context to try to prove their point.”
Jay,
I don’t see how Obama was taken out of context when he made his anti-business remarks. Seems to me the man clearly thinks govt is somehow responsible for the success of small business owner’s success because of the infrastructure built by public money. Nevermind that the public money used to build that infrastructure comes from the taxes paid by businesses and their employees- a fact that somehow manages to escape Mr. Obama’s mindset.
Mighty Righty
July 19th, 2012
3:10 pm
Below is a direct quote by Obama which the ignorant left say’s he didn’t say, with a link to read it for themselves. The Me, my, I president who can’t string four words togeather without falsely taking credit for accomplishing something positive he had nothing to do with, refuses to give credit to people who do acomplish positive things.
“If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/07/obama-you-didnt-build-that-business-somebody-else-did/#ixzz2163CYTkb
Steve - USA "None of the Above"
July 19th, 2012
3:13 pm
JamVet – “I am starting to believe that the reason that our cons are almost universally in favor of white collar crimes like this is that they themselves want to be white collar criminals”
There you go projecting again. This occurred in a State with a Democratic Governor and by a company run by a Democratic Banker.
You Lib’s are just as dirty as the Con’s. Is the denial that thick?
the cat
July 19th, 2012
3:13 pm
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:05 pm
“I can handle Mr. Cathy having those honest views, so long as he doesn’t overtly make them part of his business’ image.”
If its his business then why do you care? I don’t care that Ben and Jerry’s have very open, very well known liberal views. Doesn’t affect me as to whether or not I buy their ice cream or not. And besides Chick fil a is still going to serve gay customers should they choose to dine there. I doubt they will have any signs plastered on their restaurants stating that they are anti- gay marriage.
It is attitudes such as yours that have contributed to many atrocities over the years.
Those are that man’s slaves, why should I care how he treats them?
Those pit bulls belong to Michael Vick, why should I care how he treats them?
Those people are Jewish, why should I care how they are treated?
If no one will take a stand, Mr. Cathy will continue to think his narrow minded, bigoted views are okay. I am voting with my pocketbook and will not support his business.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:15 pm
“Others simply buy changes to the laws to legitimize their behaviors. That’s one of the reasons I get a chuckle from those who claim this is a Christian-based country. If that were indeed the case, much of the shady stuff would have been made illegal as opposed to encoding it in law.”
Brocephus,
So by your logic a small group of people breaking the law or lobbyists or pols enacting new law to allow more shady stuff means that the majority of the nation is not self ascribed Christians because of the antics of a few?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
3:15 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
I agree with you about Dan Cathy’s statement. Had he said “this is my personal viewpoint”, I could respect that and still buy their product, but he dragged the Chick-fil-A name into to it, so….
Williebkind
July 19th, 2012
3:19 pm
“If no one will take a stand, Mr. Cathy will continue to think his narrow minded, bigoted views are okay. I am voting with my pocketbook and will not support his business.”
Then take your bigoted %&$ to burger king!
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
3:19 pm
We’ve actually had some conversations about this whole issue at Stately sfd Manor, and the solution has been one toward self-sufficiency. Yes, the signature C-F-A sandwiches are pretty darn good. But a little planning and effort and you can replicate the product at home, freeze a bunch of fried breast cutlets, and have them available for consumption when convenient. I’d argue ours taste better, with a better bun, fresh lettuce, etc.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:19 pm
“It is attitudes such as yours that have contributed to many atrocities over the years.”
Sure buddy. So if someone opposes gay marriage based on religious views than that’s the sort of things that leads to atrocities. Sure buddy. You can stretch farther than gumby sir.
“If no one will take a stand, Mr. Cathy will continue to think his narrow minded, bigoted views are okay.”
Thanks for reinforcing my point. So according to your worldview anyone who believes in the traditional view of marriage and who thus opposes gay marriage due to religious beliefs is automatically a “narrow minded bigot”. That’s quite a narrow minded, bigoted view you have there.
Williebkind
July 19th, 2012
3:20 pm
To go even further, take it back up north so you can be with all those intellectuals.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:20 pm
Doom — “If its his business then why do you care?”
As my wife says, I don’t think I want to give my money to people that hate us or our friends.
“I don’t care that Ben and Jerry’s have very open, very well known liberal views.”
I’m pretty sure that neither Ben nor Jerry are arguing that any of your civil rights should be constrained.
“Doesn’t affect me as to whether or not I buy their ice cream or not.”
Shrug. What do you want, a cookie?
“And besides Chick fil a is still going to serve gay customers should they choose to dine there.”
Certainly. And other customers are completely free to choose what they will do about it, if anything. I’m not telling anyone else what to do, but you certainly seem troubled by what my wife and I plan to do.
“I doubt they will have any signs plastered on their restaurants stating that they are anti- gay marriage.”
I doubt it, too. But word gets around.
“In any event knowing that many liberals won’t be eating there should make for a very pleasant fast food dining experience. Hopefully the wait will be shorter also.”
Maybe you can also find some BBQ places out in the country that don’t cotton to nonwhite folks, too. Perhaps you’d also find *that* to be a “very pleasant” dining experience.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:21 pm
“Those are that man’s slaves, why should I care how he treats them?
Those pit bulls belong to Michael Vick, why should I care how he treats them?
Those people are Jewish, why should I care how they are treated?”
the cat do like all his strawmen he do.
Jefferson
July 19th, 2012
3:21 pm
Hope no disgruntled gay workers add secret seasonings and spices to the chicken.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
3:21 pm
I don’t see how Obama was taken out of context when he made his anti-business remarks. Seems to me the man clearly thinks govt is somehow responsible for the success of small business owner’s success because of the infrastructure built by public money
And when someone dies in the service of this country, there is clearly nothing that they have contributed to the success of this country. I mean its not like the Navy protects shipping routes or government protects airports.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:21 pm
Righty — “Below is a direct quote by Obama which the ignorant left say’s he didn’t say, with a link to read it for themselves.”
And here’s the WHOLE quote, which the ignorant right is completely unaware of.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-these-hands-ad-you-didnt-build-that.php
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
3:22 pm
MR, here is a link to an actual transcript.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/13/remarks-president-campaign-event-roanoke-virginia
IF you actually care about context, you’ll read more than three short sentences.
But if it’s just three sentences you want, how about…
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service.
You got a problem with that?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
3:22 pm
Then take your bigoted %&$ to burger king!
Yes, that is my plan.
And I don’t require your permission to do so, sport.
the cat
July 19th, 2012
3:23 pm
Thulsa Doom-how does the air feel in your bubble? Are you really and seriously defending atrocities towards gays over the years? Do you not know of how many have committed suicide due in part to the way they were treated?
I just love how the very in your face CHRISTIAN Mr. Cathy could have this view. I would refer him and you to Gandhi and what he said about your Christ.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
July 19th, 2012
3:23 pm
The government will slap a small silly fine on them and they will be right back at it. Just watch.
Williebkind
July 19th, 2012
3:24 pm
“Maybe you can also find some BBQ places out in the country that don’t cotton to nonwhite folks, too. Perhaps you’d also find *that* to be a “very pleasant” dining experience”
Now we have another bigoted remark. Oh my, they profess to be wise thus became fools.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:24 pm
K’Chak — “I agree with you about Dan Cathy’s statement. Had he said “this is my personal viewpoint”, I could respect that and still buy their product, but he dragged the Chick-fil-A name into to it, so….”
They do make a very good product, and I will miss it. But if a company doesn’t want politics or social issues mucking up their business, then they need to stay out of politics and social issues.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:25 pm
Williebkind — “Now we have another bigoted remark.”
Indeed. And it didn’t come from me.
When you set out to start excluding others from your dinner table, don’t be surprised when people stop wanting to join you.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
3:25 pm
To go even further, take it back up north so you can be with all those intellectuals.
I was born on Peachtree Street, sport.
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
3:26 pm
Cathy can say what he wants on the subject in anyway he wants to say it. Those who’re offended are free to continue buying his chicken sandwich or choose not to. Pretty simple.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
3:26 pm
Hope no disgruntled gay workers add secret seasonings and spices to the chicken.
hmm. It does kind of explain why they keep all the sauces vacuum-sealed in little packages.
Brosephus™
July 19th, 2012
3:26 pm
So by your logic a small group of people breaking the law or lobbyists or pols enacting new law to allow more shady stuff means that the majority of the nation is not self ascribed Christians because of the antics of a few?
Nope, that’s your logic. By my logic, the majority of the nation that is self-described as Christians continue to re-elect those who engage in stacking the deck at a historically 85% rate. Also there is an implicit approval of the actions of Wall Street and DC because of that re-election rate as well as the lack of interest/effort in changing the deceitful actions.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:27 pm
Recon — “Cathy can say what he wants on the subject in anyway he wants to say it. Those who’re offended are free to continue buying his chicken sandwich or choose not to. Pretty simple.”
Thank you for that, sir, and I mean that sincerely.
Steve - USA "None of the Above"
July 19th, 2012
3:27 pm
I will no longer go to Chic-fil-a based on what Mr. Cathy said. The Chic’s I have been in have his picture displayed so he himself is a feature of their image. I can actually appreciate that the guy was open about his views even though I don’t support them. While open bigotry is disgusting I often feel that the hidden bigotry does the most damage.
Williebkind
July 19th, 2012
3:28 pm
Well here we go again, AJC/CNN are filled with so many homosexuals they think their world is normal.
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
3:30 pm
Boycott them all you want. They are one of the most successful franchise restaurants in the country. They won’t miss you at all. I don’t go often, but it is because of the prices, the same reason I don’t go to BK or micky Ds.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:30 pm
Steve — “I can actually appreciate that the guy was open about his views even though I don’t support them. While open bigotry is disgusting I often feel that the hidden bigotry does the most damage.”
FWIW, CFA engages in discriminatory hiring practices, but they’re careful about letting others know that. My wife was an IT recruiter back in the dot-com era, and she saw how they work, up close and ugly.
saywhat?
July 19th, 2012
3:32 pm
If corporations are people, does that mean we get to put all of JPMorgan in jail?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:33 pm
B. Bing — “Boycott them all you want. They are one of the most successful franchise restaurants in the country. They won’t miss you at all.”
I’m sure they won’t. Then again, that’s not my point in boycotting them.
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
3:34 pm
What does the bible tell Chic-Fil-A’s owner about abortion.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:34 pm
“As my wife says, I don’t think I want to give my money to people that hate us or our friends.”
Just another bigoted statement. Its not about hate Joe. Its about the fact that the Cathy’s simply disagree with gay marriage due to their religious beliefs. Trying to construe it as “hate” is a dishonest argument.
“Shrug. What do you want, a cookie?”
No. I already told you. I want one a them delicious chick fil a sandwhiches.
“I’m not telling anyone else what to do, but you certainly seem troubled by what my wife and I plan to do.”
Nope. I think its great that you, your wife, and other liberals are going to vote with your pocket books and not patronize chick fil a. Democracy in action. The only thing I object to is the rather intellectually weak and dishonest point that just because they oppose gay marriage on religious views that they must be bigoted, narrow minded people. That view in and of itself is narrow minded and bigoted. Oh but the irony.
“I doubt it, too. But word gets around.”
And they also will be free to vote with their pocketbooks.
“Maybe you can also find some BBQ places out in the country that don’t cotton to nonwhite folks, too. Perhaps you’d also find *that* to be a “very pleasant” dining experience.”
Can’t think of one single BBQ place out here in the country that doesn’t openly cater to people of all races. And perhaps you could quit suggesting racism as is your modus operandi as well as that of many a liberal on here. You did it with johnnyreb and now you’re doing it again. If you’re going to suggest racism at least have some semblance of concrete evidence before going down that wabbit hole. Playing the race card with no evidence is unbecoming of you- not to mention just plain low down.
Steve - USA "None of the Above"
July 19th, 2012
3:35 pm
JHM – Yeah, I am betting that application from a gay couple for a franchise isn’t getting to far.
larry
July 19th, 2012
3:37 pm
Well, i dont eat chicken but if i did , i would not grace Chick-fil-a’s door.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
3:38 pm
For those wishing to replicate the Chick-fil-A sandwich, you can start here
http://www.recipelion.com/Sandwiches/Copycat-Chick-fil-A-Chicken-Sandwiches/ct/1
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
3:39 pm
Bigotry is the practice of rejecting someone because of their race, religion, skin color, age, sex, income level etc. Rejecting the act of homosexual sex based on religious beliefs or personal beliefs is not in and of itself bigotry. You can disagree with Cathy and decide not buy his fast food sandwich but there is no basis to call him a bigot.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
3:39 pm
Yeah, I am betting that application from a gay couple for a franchise isn’t getting to far.
of course, in too many states, that sort of discrimination is still perfectly legal.
but if memory serves, Mrs. JHM had found the CFAers had a problem with folks of the Hebrew persuasion–am I remembering right, Joe?
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
3:40 pm
Talk to a CFA franchisee. There is a waiting list a mile long, communities all over the US are waiting for one to open nearby. Top of the list for profit per location of all fast food. I understand your reasons, I boycott places myself. But they are doing something right, of course with someone else’s help, not by themselves.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:41 pm
“FWIW, CFA engages in discriminatory hiring practices, but they’re careful about letting others know that”
Can you provide evidence or proof thereof? Because that’s a pretty serious charge you’re making. When I go into chick fil A I see minorities working there and I see minority managers. What I do notice though about them is that they do discriminate against kids with tattoos all over them, nasty hair, earrings on men, nose rings, eyebrow rings, etc. And they do discriminate in favor of clean cut, wholesome looking kids including many very nice looking African American and Hispanic kids.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
3:42 pm
For those wishing to replicate the Chick-fil-A sandwich
Step 6 is all wrong. You have to do a flour coat, then a wet coat, and then another flour coat.
And what’s this “two tablespoons of oil” crap? That ain’t gettin’ ‘er done.
Steve - USA "None of the Above"
July 19th, 2012
3:43 pm
“For those wishing to replicate the Chick-fil-A sandwich, you can start here”
Off-Topic – I always thought part of their unique taste to their Chicken was Peanut Oil. Oh well…I have been wrong before and I will be wrong again.
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
3:44 pm
Wild Alaskan salmon is the best. At least I hope it has not been pumped full of antibiotics like chicken is or many farm-raised fish are, etc. It’s getting harder and harder to trust any food source unless you grow it or raise it yourself these days.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
3:44 pm
They do manage a to field a very consistently Up With People/Stepford Wifey sort of staff.
If you like that sort of thing.
Jefferson
July 19th, 2012
3:45 pm
NO business should ever think they can do without customers.
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
3:47 pm
Mr. Cathy…..gives to charities, runs an adoption home, gives young college students flexible schedules to attend school, hires clean, responsible young people. I wish there were a thousand bigots like him.
weetamoe
July 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
The Obamas have about 750 thou invested in JP so let them deal with those naughty boys. Meantime the king of Jordan is concerned that weapons of –well –some destruction–held in Syria could fall into al queda’s hands if the conflict turns, you know, civil; and the most powerful man in the US, the one who has assumed unprecedented powers, in fact, has shouted his opinion that we do not own the fruits of our labor (or products of our intellect) So Wall Street kind of seems like grandma’s front porch in contrast to real world issues.
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
I really don’t care about who marries who…gay marriage, fine by me
so how do you feel about polygamy? should it be a right and legal…I am talking to the pro-gay marriage crowd…just curious
larry
July 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
If anyone else wants to boycott companies who are financing right wing attack ads……
Here’s a list ……..
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/07/19/543801/consumer-brands-conservative-attack-ads/
josef
July 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
I’m amused by those who are just now reacting to Mr. Cathy’s outspoken opinions and stances. This is no news. I haven’t graced the doors of his establishments for decades now. That’s my choice. It’s his business and if he wants to put the imprimature of his business product on a socio-political stance, so be it. I hold him in no higher regard than he does me. So be it
BUT why are y’all not talking about the Boy Scouts and their anti-gay policies. That’s a much, much different institution which does practice discrimination against a class of our society and benefits greatly from the support of such institutions as our public schools where they are not only allowed, but encouraged to recruit.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
db
CFA actually soaks the chicken in the milk/egg mixture for a good long while before doing the flour coat and cooks them in a pressurized deep fryer in peanut oil (or at least they did when I worked there when I was in my teens.)
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:49 pm
“Are you really and seriously defending atrocities towards gays over the years?”
Please point out to me where I defended atrocities. BTW Pointing out your strawman argument is not the same.
“Do you not know of how many have committed suicide due in part to the way they were treated?”
And I don’t condone picking on or treating anyone in a viscious or mean spirited manner simply because they are gay. As for suicide there are plenty of kids who commit suicide because they were bullied or picked on for all sorts of reasons. So what’s your point?
“I just love how the very in your face CHRISTIAN Mr. Cathy could have this view.”
Its not about hate as you seem to think it is in your narrow minded, bigoted view. The man simply doesn’t believe in gay marriage due to his religious beliefs. Why is that so damn hard for you guys to understand?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
3:49 pm
BUT why are y’all not talking about the Boy Scouts and their anti-gay policies.
we were waiting for an uppity white guy to bring it to our attention. duh.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:49 pm
Doom — “Just another bigoted statement.”
That is the single stupidest statement I have ever seen you make on here, Doom, and that’s saying something.
If you can demonstrate some degree of hatred on my part for Mr. Cathy, then have at it. Otherwise, you’re just full of it, as usual.
“Its not about hate Joe.”
Of course it is.
“Its about the fact that the Cathy’s simply disagree with gay marriage due to their religious beliefs.”
Then why does Mr. Cathy feel the need to mix his religious beliefs up with the conduct of his business? Why can’t he disagree as an individual instead of dragging his business into it? I’m not the only person here who’s said they could overlook his views if he simply hadn’t involved his business.
“Trying to construe it as “hate” is a dishonest argument.”
Trying to say it isn’t is even more dishonest.
“No. I already told you. I want one a them delicious chick fil a sandwhiches.”
And as Kamchak and I already told you, you’re going to have to have five.
“Nope. I think its great that you, your wife, and other liberals are going to vote with your pocket books and not patronize chick fil a. Democracy in action. The only thing I object to is the rather intellectually weak and dishonest point that just because they oppose gay marriage on religious views that they must be bigoted, narrow minded people.”
Which is something I’ve neither said nor thought, Strawman Doom.
“That view in and of itself is narrow minded and bigoted.”
Yes it is, and it’s a good thing I don’t hold it.
“Oh but the irony.”
If you find some in there, let me know. Your notion of irony is predicated on me holding an opinion I don’t actually hold. Maybe you’d be better served by asking me what I think instead of guessing — after all, you’ve got such a poor track record of guessing correctly.
“And they also will be free to vote with their pocketbooks.”
Agreed. I don’t begrudge anyone the right to choose on this point, and I certainly won’t berate anyone for their choice. You, however, seem discomfited by my choice and dishonest as well, speculating inaccurately on the reasons why we’re doing it.
“Can’t think of one single BBQ place out here in the country that doesn’t openly cater to people of all races.”
Try being Hispanic way out in Sticksville and see what happens. I’m sure you’ve got a clue.
“And perhaps you could quit suggesting racism as is your modus operandi”
Sorry, but it’s not. And you know better.
“as well as that of many a liberal on here. You did it with johnnyreb”
JohnnyReb has recently begun expressing racist views and then excusing them under the aegis of ‘well, I’m just not politically correct.’ What he’s said has nothing whatsoever to do with political correctness; it’s just outright racism on his part.
“and now you’re doing it again.”
If you’re going to express pleasure at the notion of excluding entire groups of people from your dinner table, don’t be surprised when it starts to look and smell like racism to others.
“If you’re going to suggest racism at least have some semblance of concrete evidence before going down that wabbit hole.”
If you’re going to give JR a pass for this racism, then maybe you’d have more credibility if you’d actually read what he said before taking up for him.
“Playing the race card with no evidence is unbecoming of you- not to mention just plain low down”
Expressing glee at the possibility of excluding entire groups of people from your dinner table is unbecoming of *you* and is just as low down. If you don’t want to be thought of that way, then maybe you should keep such feelings to yourself.
Kind of like Mr. Cathy should have.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
3:50 pm
CFA actually soaks the chicken in the milk/egg mixture for a good long while before doing the flour coat
oh, that’ll work. I’m too lazy for that.
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
3:51 pm
CF pressure cooks it’s chicken…not so easy at home
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
3:51 pm
so how do you feel about polygamy?
Too many mother-in-laws.
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
3:51 pm
Thulsa Doom says………
And perhaps you could quit suggesting racism as is your modus operandi as well as that of many a liberal on here. You did it with johnnyreb and now you’re doing it again. If you’re going to suggest racism at least have some semblance of concrete evidence before going down that wabbit hole. Playing the race card with no evidence is unbecoming of you- not to mention just plain low down
Thulsa should talk! All he does is bring up race. Why just the other day there was a discussion on this blog about fruit loops — he brought up the fact that the yellow fruit loops were smarter than the green because the yellow just pushed themselves harder to suceede.
josef
July 19th, 2012
3:53 pm
CAT
Bigamy is a completely separate issue from the civil right to same sex marriage. There was a time when Catholics couldn’t marry Protestants and Jews couldn’t marry Christians…society evolved past that. Now it has evolved beyond same sex criteria. Who knows what the future holds. If you mean polygamy and polyandry, there are plenty of societies, many of them Christian by religion, which permit and condone polygamy.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:53 pm
“And when someone dies in the service of this country, there is clearly nothing that they have contributed to the success of this country.”
Nobody is saying that a sailor or soldier dying in warfare hasn’t contributed to the success of this country.
” I mean its not like the Navy protects shipping routes or government protects airports”
And its not as if the Navy isn’t funded by the taxes paid by the private sector and its employees. It was their taxes that built the Navy and private military contractors that build the ships, weapons systems, uniforms, etc. Somehow or another it continues to escape the minds of liberals that the military and these roads, bridges, etc. that Obama spoke of are paid for by the private sector. How it is that you guys can’t understand this rather simple and straightforward point is nothing short of mind boggling.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:54 pm
SfD — “but if memory serves, Mrs. JHM had found the CFAers had a problem with folks of the Hebrew persuasion–am I remembering right, Joe?”
You are correct. She had found a “white elephant” (an extremely difficult requirement to fill), but had actually managed to find someone with *all* the qualifications they wanted for an IT position at their HQ. They actually went to the trouble — and this is very unusual — of doing background checks and the like *before* they had actually met him; that’s how strong his resume was. Normally, hiring authorities want to meet someone before doing those sorts of checks.
Anyway, the guy was Orthodox Jewish, and his warm welcome apparently evaporated the moment the CFA bigwigs got a look at him.
I don’t know about y’all, but I could give a (poop) about the religion of my co-workers. So long as they know their stuff, do their job and don’t cause trouble, we’ll get along fine.
St Simons
July 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
their service on de island is awful on Sundays mon
i sat in de drive-thru for 2 hrs
de tourists thought it was funny i had to wait so long, mon
no really, i don’t unnerstand their marketing.
The ‘demographic’ (codeword) they are panderin to wit de Sunday
closing and gay-hatin, dey don’t go to chick-fil-a annyway, mon
dey at de Ryan’s/Golden coral buffet donchaknow
Jack
July 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
Bookman just raised sanctimony to a new, high level.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
Doom — “Can you provide evidence or proof thereof?”
Not to you, no.
“Because that’s a pretty serious charge you’re making.”
I’m not making a charge. I’m telling you what my wife witnessed. You’re free to believe it or not.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
Ushouldtalk,
Those yellow fruit loops certainly seem to work hard and value education they do.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
3:56 pm
Go to Zaxby.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:56 pm
B. Bing — “Mr. Cathy…..gives to charities, runs an adoption home, gives young college students flexible schedules to attend school, hires clean, responsible young people. I wish there were a thousand bigots like him.”
All true, but irrelevant to me.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:57 pm
Joe Mama,
I don’t want to discount your wife’s anecdotal evidence but without proof it remains just anecdotal evidence and one person’s opinion.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
4:00 pm
BADA’s come unhinged over this CFA issue.
Whatsamatta, BADA?
Your
oxchicken gettin’ gored?Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:00 pm
Doom — “I don’t want to discount your wife’s anecdotal evidence but without proof it remains just anecdotal evidence and one person’s opinion.”
I recognize that, which is why I clearly said that you’re free to believe it or not.
That said, if you’ve got Jewish friends in the city who work in the IT industry, quiz ‘em about CFA’s reputation. It shouldn’t take you too long to find people who will corroborate what my wife experienced.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
4:02 pm
without proof it remains just anecdotal evidence and one person’s opinion.
Agreed. And it’s just one incident, albeit a troubling one if the retelling is accurate. One can only hope the hiring manager is doing something else these days.
JohnnyReb has recently begun expressing racist views and then excusing them under the aegis of ‘well, I’m just not politically correct.’
I must sadly agree. He really crossed a line the other day with his comments about Obama’s mixed-race heritage making him (basically) un-American, and then digging an even bigger hole by claiming many mixed-race kids are “scarred for life.”
I’ve really tried to look past his dumb screen name and try to appreciate his occasional insight, but he seems to have really lost it of late.
/drive-by
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
4:02 pm
Somehow or another it continues to escape the minds of liberals that the military and these roads, bridges, etc. that Obama spoke of are paid for by the private sector
Nope they are paid for by taxes paid by individuals and others. Thus you admit that no corporation or individual has built the roads across this country by themselves. No small business did it alone. The taxpayers helped. We all contributed and paid taxes (and the corporation does NOT get credit for taxes paid by employees on their income). How it is that
you guysDoom can’t understand this rather simple and straightforward point is nothing short of mind boggling but typical intentional Doom denseness and diversion. But hey, thanks for inadvertently admitting the president was absolutely right!Woodstock Mike
July 19th, 2012
4:03 pm
It still just amazes me when I see people that have absolutely no clue what it’s like to start a business, to run a business, to be responsible for employees, try and lecture business owners. What a bunch of garbage. I would be ashamed. Don’t Democrats have any pride? Obama is really putting Democrats in a tough place right now. Either you hate successful people and business owners or you aren’t a Democrat anymore.
People lecturing others that truly have no clue what they’re talking about, pathetic…
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
4:03 pm
And its not as if the Navy isn’t funded by the taxes paid by the private sector and its employees. It was their taxes that built the Navy and private military contractors that build the ships, weapons systems, uniforms, etc. Somehow or another it continues to escape the minds of liberals that the military and these roads, bridges, etc. that Obama spoke of are paid for by the private sector. How it is that you guys can’t understand this rather simple and straightforward point is nothing short of mind boggling
The Armed forces are supported by EVERYONE’s TAXES — not just the “private sector”.
Gee you pretend to be so smart, that I almost forgot that you’re just some guy who comes on here every Night and most weekends because you have no friends, no girlfriend, no wife, and even your dog left you.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:03 pm
“They actually went to the trouble — and this is very unusual — of doing background checks and the like *before* they had actually met him; that’s how strong his resume was.”
And because they did something that was a little unusual in your opinion this is proof of racism. Sure buddy.
“Anyway, the guy was Orthodox Jewish, and his warm welcome apparently evaporated the moment the CFA bigwigs got a look at him.”
Sure buddy. And this would be your “opinion” as seen through the eyes of a liberal who specializes in throwing out the race card and has already done so today with ZERO evidence.
Do you have any idea just how idiotic your daily, frequent charges of racism look? You’re just the boy who cried wolf only you cried racism, racism, racism…..
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:04 pm
Looks like keep still thinks the Navy funds itself. No surprise there.
Woodstock Mike
July 19th, 2012
4:04 pm
@Keep up the Good Fight
Based on your dumb logic the business I started myself isn’t really mine because I drive to work on roads built by the government. LOL
That’s pathetic.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
4:05 pm
“‘WE’VE GIVEN ALL PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW’” Aol headline.
Sounds guilty of something.
Lets not elect another nixon.
Lets leave the adults in charge.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:05 pm
Mike — “People lecturing others that truly have no clue what they’re talking about, pathetic…”
Oh, the IRONY.
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:05 pm
“The only thing I object to is the rather intellectually weak and dishonest point that just because they oppose gay marriage on religious views that they must be bigoted, narrow minded people”
Maybe they are quite open and wide-minded people who just happen to fllow a bigoted, narrow-minded religion.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
4:06 pm
I would be ashamed. Don’t Democrats have any pride?
Ah yes, the passive/aggressive card.
That one hasn’t worked on me in years, that you even try it suggests to me that you are susceptible to it.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
4:06 pm
mike,
“the business I started myself isn’t really mine ”
Who said that?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:07 pm
Doom — “‘And because they did something that was a little unusual in your opinion this is proof of racism. Sure buddy.”
Didn’t say or think that. Strike one.
“Sure buddy. And this would be your “opinion” as seen through the eyes of a liberal who specializes in throwing out the race card and has already done so today with ZERO evidence. ”
Didn’t say or think that. Strike two.
“Do you have any idea just how idiotic your daily, frequent charges of racism look?”
Don’t make them *daily,* Champ. Strike three and you’re OUT.
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(giggling)
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:07 pm
“The Armed forces are supported by EVERYONE’s TAXES — not just the “private sector”.”
Yep. But most of the population works for the private sector. Or did you not know that???
“Gee you pretend to be so smart, that I almost forgot that you’re just some guy who comes on here every Night and most weekends because you have no friends, no girlfriend, no wife, and even your dog left you.”
I haven’t been on in a few days. Been to busy enjoying another vacation with that non-existent girlfriend, friends, and family. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHA. You can do better than that can’t you?
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
4:08 pm
Mike started a business?! WTF!?! Mike, I don’t think panhandling counts as a legitimate business……..
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
4:08 pm
Headline on CNN……2013 Ford Escapes recalled because of fire risk.
If you had a fire, wouldn’t you want to be in an ESCAPE?
getalife
July 19th, 2012
4:08 pm
” I would be ashamed. Don’t Democrats have any pride?”
cons have no shame gene.
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
4:09 pm
Your girlfriend? You mean that blow up doll?
josef
July 19th, 2012
4:09 pm
ERWIN
Oops. apologies. You did say polygamy…
SPC
July 19th, 2012
4:10 pm
Bar JP Morgan from doing business with California.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:10 pm
“Don’t make them *daily,* Champ. Strike three and you’re OUT.”
Sure you do. You accused johnnyreb of racism a couple of times lately. You started off today with a suggestion to me of racism with the BBQ restaurant comment and now you accused the chickfila corp of racism despite your pathetic assertions above to the contrary.
Now you’re just looking pathetically stupid Joe. But then that is part of your modus operandi also.
carlosgvv
July 19th, 2012
4:10 pm
“the armed forces are supported by everyone’s taxes”
That is true and because the Govt. runs our services, we have a socialist Military. It’s funny how many anti-socialist gobers here look the other way when this is brought up.
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
4:11 pm
What some don’t understand or choose not to understand is that Christian believers or the majority of Christians hold no dislike much less hatred toward homosexuals as people. It’s the celebration of sin in any form that’s offensive. We’re all sinners and no ones sin should be a subject for celebration in our view. That view won’t disappear from our society, so long as Christianity is the majority religious belief within the United States.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:11 pm
Doom — “Sure you do.”
Sorry, Doom, but without proof it remains just anecdotal evidence and one person’s opinion.
(laughing, pointing)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
4:11 pm
Based on your dumb logic the business I started myself isn’t really mine…
No, the point is not that you don’t own the business.
The point is:
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Geez….
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
4:13 pm
josef @3:53
not sure I see the distinction/difference that you do…was it unlawful for a Christian to marry a Jew…or a Catholic a Prod etc?…but polygamy is unlawful….besides you never answered…would you support it?
Kam – completely agree…too many mother-in-laws
getalife
July 19th, 2012
4:13 pm
willard should be winning because of the economy but will still lose.
Your speaker said he does not talk to willard.
Weird.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:14 pm
Recon — “What some don’t understand or choose not to understand is that Christian believers or the majority of Christians hold no dislike much less hatred toward homosexuals as people.”
Then why don’t you leave them alone?
“It’s the celebration of sin in any form that’s offensive.”
You have no right to not be offended.
“We’re all sinners”
I’m not.
“and no ones sin should be a subject for celebration in our view.”
No one’s asking you to participate. So what’s your problem?
“That view won’t disappear from our society, so long as Christianity is the majority religious belief within the United States.”
You can have whatever view you please.
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
4:15 pm
We’re all sinners and no ones sin should be a subject for celebration in our view.
Can’t you guys just close your eyes then?
That view won’t disappear from our society, so long as Christianity is the majority religious belief within the United States.
Thank GOD I’m not a Christian!!!
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:15 pm
Enter your comments here”but polygamy is unlawful….besides you never answered…would you support it?”
I would…provided there were good legal protections for ALL involved, and provided it applied to ALL multiple marriage.
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
4:16 pm
Da Vinci didn’t paint the Mona Lisa. Someone else created the paints, someone wove the fabric. Someone else grew the animals whose hair was used to make the paint brushes. And a carpenter made the easel. And finally of course the government created an army which prevented an invasion and saved Da Vinci from being taken as a slave and worked to death in the fields
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:17 pm
“We’re all sinners and no ones sin should be a subject for celebration in our view”
last time I checked, being married was not a sin
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
4:18 pm
“You can have whatever view you please.”
And we do with no apology.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:20 pm
Thulsa
I don’t speak for anyone else except for me. The Cathy’s give a lot of money to charities and college funds and I can respect that very much. Interviewed Bubba Cathy (one of Truet’s sons) for a marketing project during college, so I know first hand their religious & political views. Never really thought about it one way or the other, until now.
They made a choice to wear those views on their sleeves as a corporation and I have made a choice not purchase their product.
No hard feelings from me. I will not go hungry and certainly the Cathy family will not go broke.
josef
July 19th, 2012
4:20 pm
CAT
I made the mistake of reading bigamy when you had said polygamy and that was my error.
Would I support polygamy…as a personal choice, no. As a cultural thing, out own Western Judeo-Christian social norms are not in favor and that, like same sex marriage, is reflected in our legal system That is another issue.
Now, do I think that polygamous unions contracted in countries under legal systems where it is recognized, yes, I would. It’s sorta like the Israeli approach…polygamy under Israeli civil law is not permitted, but polygamous unions contracted in countries where it is legal are recognized by the state on immigration.
Williebkind
July 19th, 2012
4:21 pm
Recon: Talking about Christainity to atheist is like debating a stop sign. They are scared to say anything about Islam or some other beliefs but they sure can lambast Christ.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:21 pm
Recon — “And we do with no apology.”
And none expected.
Do you really expect people to comport themselves in accordance with your wishes, just because you give them disapproving looks and click your tongues at them?
Who do you think you are? Do you think your faith gives you some sort of authority over others?
BS Aplenty
July 19th, 2012
4:22 pm
My commentary on the forward market for electricity arbitrage trades is that, as long as it’s legal, it will and should happen. Makes the market more efficient as, now, the CA ISO will likely adopt new rules clarifying who can receive a “bid cost recovery payment” (likely only a provider) and that problem will be solved. Same thing SHOULD happen with the Internal Revenue Code and any Welfare statues. Smart people will take advantage of such opportunities and and God bless the smart souls who seize the OPPORTUNITY. You are truly an American.
Look, on this Chic-fil-A thing, you’ve got to understand that the Cathy family wears their religious beliefs on their collective business sleeves. Always have. They’ve pulled out of golf tournament sponsorhsips over it, close their stores on Sunday and will fire you for immoral behavior (so I hear). This latest comment from Dan Cathy is consistent with their beliefs and no big change. If you don’t think they’re serious, try buying a chicken sandwich from ‘em on Sunday.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
4:23 pm
Based on your dumb logic the business I started myself isn’t really mine because I drive to work on roads built by the government. LOL That’s pathetic.
Who said anything about “ownership”, squirt. You did not build the roads, we all did through payment of taxes. Try to run your business for a week without using infrastructure and services provided by the taxpayers.
You might try calling yourself that childish “pathetic”
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
4:24 pm
Williebkind,
That they do but I guess it must be their misery living in a country with so many Christians.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
4:26 pm
Look, on this Chic-fil-A thing, you’ve got to understand…
Look, the last time I checked, you didn’t have the authority to tell me what I “got to” do.
And you still don’t have that authority.
Williebkind
July 19th, 2012
4:26 pm
Liberals sure are funny today and it is not Friday!
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:26 pm
Williebkind — “Recon: Talking about Christainity to atheist is like debating a stop sign.”
Check me out, Punkin.
“They are scared to say anything about Islam”
As I told another poster earlier today, you sure don’t know me very well, my dear country mouse.
“or some other beliefs but they sure can lambast Christ.”
All deities quickly and eagerly disrespected. No lines, no waiting. Step right up.
St Simons
July 19th, 2012
4:27 pm
dayum, that was surgery, Joe
i took 15 minutes & got you a great deal on your title insurance
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:27 pm
Recon — “That they do but I guess it must be their misery living in a country with so many Christians.”
Almost as miserable as you must be posting on a board with so many Democrats.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:28 pm
“Try being Hispanic way out in Sticksville and see what happens. I’m sure you’ve got a clue.”
I’ve never seen one turned away at any restaurants in my life Joe. Perhaps you would be better suited putting away your imagined racial boogeyman. Its making you look stupid.
“And perhaps you could quit suggesting racism as is your modus operandi”- Doom
“Sorry, but it’s not. And you know better”.- Joe mama
Nope. From what I’ve seen today and of late you sure seem to love playing the race card. Can’t get enough of it can ya?
“as well as that of many a liberal on here. You did it with johnnyreb”
“JohnnyReb has recently begun expressing racist views and then excusing them under the aegis of ‘well, I’m just not politically correct.’ What he’s said has nothing whatsoever to do with political correctness; it’s just outright racism on his part.”- Joe mama
Nope. That’s just you in all your grand self righteousness and your supposed mind reading ability throwing out your usual race card.
“If you’re going to express pleasure at the notion of excluding entire groups of people from your dinner table, don’t be surprised when it starts to look and smell like racism to others.”
And as has been explained to you numerous times chick fil a does not discriminate. Their owner simply expressed that he does not believe in gay marriage due to his religious beliefs. Period. And here you trot out with your deck of racism cards. Sheesh.
“If you’re going to suggest racism at least have some semblance of concrete evidence before going down that wabbit hole.”- Doom
“If you’re going to give JR a pass for this racism, then maybe you’d have more credibility if you’d actually read what he said before taking up for him.”- Joe Mama
Not referring to JR. I’m referring to your comment to me that maybe I would be more comfortable eating at a BBQ restaurant that to paraphrase doesn’t like serving Hispanics. It was an overt suggestion of racism and it had no place in the conversation. You simply decided to start trotting out your strawman racism card again. There was no reason for that.
“Playing the race card with no evidence is unbecoming of you- not to mention just plain low down”
“Expressing glee at the possibility of excluding entire groups of people from your dinner table is unbecoming of *you* and is just as low down. If you don’t want to be thought of that way, then maybe you should keep such feelings to yourself.”
Please point out to me where I am expressing glee over entire groups of people being excluded from the dinner table? I express no glee in this. I do express glee in laughing about your poutrage. Your ridiculous assertion is erroneous for 2 reasons. Number one any gay person that wants to can walk right into chickfila and order a sandwich. Nothing is stopping them so put away your poutrage.
Number 2 is that my only defense of Mr. Cathy is his right to say what he feels and if he feels that gay marriage is wrong then that’s his damn right to feel that way. You don’t like it that’s just tough. It doesn’t mean that he hates gays or is bigoted as many on here have suggested. You need to get out of your own narrow minded thinking and realize that just because someone doesn’t believe the same things as you doesn’t make them a hateful bigot as many of you liberals have asserted.
And put away the race card Joe. Its old and tiresome. Especially with the frequency with which you use it.
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:28 pm
“or some other beliefs but they sure can lambast Christ.”
Nope. Just those who claim to follow him. I have yet to see any “lambasting” of Christ. Care to quote some?
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:28 pm
Willibkind
Who is the Muslim on this board debating an atheist? Want to make sure we have a valid scenario or are you just babbling about something not occurring?
Are any of the regulars on here followers of Islam?
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:32 pm
“Try to run your govt for a week without using infrastructure and services provided by the taxpayers.”
It only took one word to correct keep up’s typo.
josef
July 19th, 2012
4:33 pm
SFD
we were waiting for an uppity white guy to bring it to our attention. duh.
godless heathen
July 19th, 2012
4:33 pm
WillieB Recon: Talking about Christainity to atheist is like debating a stop sign. They are scared to say anything about Islam or some other beliefs but they sure can lambast Christ.
I suggest your read Sam Harris “The End of Faith” or some of the writings of Christopher Hitchens. They certainly lambast Islam religion every bit as much, if not more than they do Christianity.
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
4:33 pm
VoteVets.org unleashes the power of our membership to raise over $52,000 for Tammy Duckworth’s campaign for the US House in Illinois’ 8th District in response to Rep. Joe Walsh’s attacks on her sacrifice and service:..
You chickenhearted neocons can have your depraved cowards like that slimy deadbeat dad.
Decent veterans across the country are invested in sending them back to the gutter where they belong.
And willie is a Christian???
That is the laugh of the day…
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
4:33 pm
“Who do you think you are? Do you think your faith gives you some sort of authority over others?”
I know who I am and never said that Christian faith provides us with authority over others. I merely pointed out why we believe as we do. If you don ‘t like how or what Christians believe that’s your right but it’s not your right to challenge those beliefs.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:34 pm
Guess all of the followers of Islam are not blogging today.
Maybe they will be on later or tomorrow
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
4:34 pm
Heyy… this weekend, I am going to get in my car, which I didn’t build, load my jetski, which I didn’t build, buy some gas, which I didn’t refine ( I had to pump it myself, tho), drive to the lake, which I didn’t impound, take my picnic (from food that I didn’t grow, pick, cook, refine, raise), put on my trunks, that I didn’t sew, baste, cut, and go jetskiing. This country is great, I didn’t do anything, and yet I am going to be rewarded.
carlosgvv
July 19th, 2012
4:35 pm
Recon – 4:11
World class neuro-scientists, psychiatrists and psychologists are in agreement that our sexual preferences are determined by our genetic makeups.
Both the Old and New Testament were written by unknown authors and there’s not a shred of evidence that God so much as inspired even one word in them.
So, why do you completely discount hard science and accept very dubious religious belief?
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:36 pm
“Maybe you can also find some BBQ places out in the country that don’t cotton to nonwhite folks, too. Perhaps you’d also find *that* to be a “very pleasant” dining experience.”
Joe Mama trotting out his
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He do loves his race card he do!
josef
July 19th, 2012
4:37 pm
BOTH
We have had a few of Muslims in for some more or less drive bys. I wish a couple of them had become regulars. They added a much needed perspective.
Oh, yeah, and you’re on-call…
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
4:38 pm
That they do but I guess it must be their misery living in a country with so many Christians.
I have truly only met about a dozen christians since the 90’s. I have however met a bunch of people who claimed to be “Christians” but they run like hell when I try to throw some holy water on ‘em.
Oh, and their heads also turn all the way around on their heads when you mention the word S-E-X. or H-E-A-D…….
getalife
July 19th, 2012
4:39 pm
White flour!
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:40 pm
“I didn’t do anything”
“going to get in”
“load my”
“buy some”
“pump it”
“take my”
” put on my”
“go jetskiing”
For someone who “didn’t do anything” – you seem to be planning to DO a lot
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:41 pm
JHM
I can say that I have been looked at a little strange up in North GA, not much recently but more so 15 to 20 yrs ago, but have never been denied service or had anything said to my face.
Heck, I was glad to sit at the table and watch a scowl or two from workers and other patron then be served my lunch or dinner.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:42 pm
josef
I see, but holding back for now
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:43 pm
josef
As for Muslims, it would be nice if we had a regular or two.
We could all get some different perspectives and without mention a few fireworks.
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
4:44 pm
I get to have fun and enjoy life without doing anything because others did it for me. This must be what slavery was like for the plantation owners. No wonder it was so popular!
Joel Edge
July 19th, 2012
4:44 pm
Does President Obama still have high praise for this bunch? Just asking.
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
4:45 pm
Carlos,
Tell you the same thing I told Joe…you have the right to believe or disbelieve. I have no authority to challenge your personal choices and for you, likewise.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
4:45 pm
Lost 9 million jobs.
cons expect a different result.
The Speaker agrees with our President.
No military action in Syria.
They are fighting for their freedom.
larry
July 19th, 2012
4:47 pm
Guess all of the followers of Islam are not blogging today.
They are in line waiting for their ” In Allah We Trust” stickers that they can put on their car tags.
But , isnt that the state promoting religion?
Nahhhhhhhhh, they wouldnt do that. Would they ?
josef
July 19th, 2012
4:47 pm
BOTH
I have a couple of colleagues who are Sufi…oughta see them tangling with the Sunni or Shia…makes a fracas between Catholics and Calvinists look tame!
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:49 pm
Doom — “I’ve never seen one turned away at any restaurants in my life Joe.”
Well, good for you. I have.
“Perhaps you would be better suited putting away your imagined racial boogeyman.”
And perhaps you’re just sheltered, Doom. Maybe you haven’t seen and experienced quite as much as you think you have.
“Its making you look stupid.”
Oh, Punkin, I don’t worry too much about what *you* think looks stupid.
“Nope. From what I’ve seen today and of late you sure seem to love playing the race card.”
Yes, well, you haven’t been around here very much in the last couple of weeks. Then again, you’ve never let ignorance slow you down before.
“Can’t get enough of it can ya?”
No, I love it when you post back at me, chew-toy. I know I’ve told you that a lot lately.
“Nope. That’s just you in all your grand self righteousness and your supposed mind reading ability throwing out your usual race card.”
Shrug. Sorry that hurts your feelings, Doom. Didn’t mean to step on your ego. (laughing)
“And as has been explained to you numerous times chick fil a does not discriminate.”
Explain whatever you like. Without proof it remains just anecdotal evidence and one person’s opinion. (giggling)
“Their owner simply expressed that he does not believe in gay marriage due to his religious beliefs. Period. And here you trot out with your deck of racism cards. Sheesh.”
Silly, silly Doom. Why would I accuse CFA of “racism” when their public actions weren’t aimed at anyone’s *race?* (laughing)
How old are you, Doom? Do you have some kind of rider on your medical insurance to help you out if you’re diagnosed with Alzheimers?
“Not referring to JR. I’m referring to your comment to me that maybe I would be more comfortable eating at a BBQ restaurant that to paraphrase doesn’t like serving Hispanics.”
Didn’t say Hispanics. (laughing, pointing)
“It was an overt suggestion of racism and it had no place in the conversation. You simply decided to start trotting out your strawman racism card again. There was no reason for that.”
You’ve already admitted to not wanting to eat while sitting next to liberals, Doom. Who else don’t you like eating next to? Tell us.
“Please point out to me where I am expressing glee over entire groups of people being excluded from the dinner table?”
Right here, Champ:
“In any event knowing that many liberals won’t be eating there should make for a very pleasant fast food dining experience.”
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/07/19/have-the-grifters-on-wall-street-found-yet-another-mark/?cp=6#comment-1018942
“I express no glee in this. I do express glee in laughing about your poutrage.”
Silly Doom. (giggling)
You’re more upset about people deciding not to patronize CFA than I’m upset about anything here. Go back and look at my posts from pages 1-6. I’m calm, cool and rational about it. I only get started up when you commence to whining about people who aren’t going to CFA any more.
“Your ridiculous assertion is erroneous for 2 reasons.”
What assertion’s that, Doom? Spell it out. I want to make sure this is something I actually said and not something you made up, as usual.
“Number one any gay person that wants to can walk right into chickfila and order a sandwich. Nothing is stopping them so put away your poutrage.”
(laughing, pointing)
You’re more clueless than ever, Doom.
Why would I be upset about someone visiting CFA. even a gay person? I’ve clearly said more than once on this thread that others are free to make their own decisions about this.
“Number 2 is that my only defense of Mr. Cathy is his right to say what he feels and if he feels that gay marriage is wrong then that’s his damn right to feel that way.”
I know. I’ve already agreed with that.
“You don’t like it that’s just tough.”
Doom, I seriously think you need remedial reading classes. Either that or you actually need to stop and read the things I post. (laughing)
I’ve already *said* that Cathy can have any views he wants — but I draw the line when he involves his business. That’s quite different from how you’re trying to misrepresent my position. Then again, you have a problem with honesty, so I shouldn’t be surprised/
” It doesn’t mean that he hates gays or is bigoted as many on here have suggested.”
Did *I* suggest that?
“You need to get out of your own narrow minded thinking and realize that just because someone doesn’t believe the same things as you doesn’t make them a hateful bigot as many of you liberals have asserted.”
Did *I* assert that?
“And put away the race card Joe. Its old and tiresome. Especially with the frequency with which you use it.”
Doom, I can’t take you seriously any longer. If you’re not going to read what I say and if you’re going to misrepresent my positions, then there’s not much point in treating you any differently from how I treat Fishy or Ragnar or the rest of that pack.
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
4:49 pm
The best S-E-X i ever had was from this little “christian” girl. She told me she’d never, never, never, ever, ever, EVER, done anything like that before; but she sure fooled me!
She was all like, “I’ve never EVER been with another woman! Why it’s a SINNN…..”
Imagine my surprise, when I found out that she had not only done “that” before, but she could give lessons.
josef
July 19th, 2012
4:49 pm
larry
No it’s not. It’s a matter of choice. The state is not forcing anyone to purchase and or use such a tag…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
4:51 pm
“Try to run your govt for a week without using infrastructure and services provided by the taxpayers.” It only took one word to correct keep up’s typo.
Sometimes a poster says something so astronomicallasininene that it not only wins the “wtf? post of the day” but really a serious response is just not needed or possible. Congrats Doom on THAT post!
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:51 pm
Recon — “I know who I am and never said that Christian faith provides us with authority over others.”
I didn’t say you claimed it. I asked you if you *thought* it. Do you?
“I merely pointed out why we believe as we do. If you don ‘t like how or what Christians believe that’s your right but it’s not your right to challenge those beliefs.”
Actually, I have every right to challenge your beliefs. You have no right to have your beliefs stand unquestioned and unchallenged — especially if you’re going to wave them around at others.
cloudodust
July 19th, 2012
4:51 pm
The moochers have found their mark and it is us…Hey, I have a great idea. The moocher class ought to unionize, have a voice and all that rot. Now, I don’t mind helping those that need a little assistance to get over the hump but to make mooching a career is a downright shame. Those on Wall Street and those punching a clock have nothing to feel guilty about compared to the shameful taking class. Unlike the person I know that has made a disability career out of carpel tunnel, at least the Wall Street bunch et al are out there helping the cheaters get theirs by paying into the system.
josef
July 19th, 2012
4:52 pm
UShouldtalk
That’s not confined to just Christians…I’ve run into it with just about every faith or lack thereof!
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:52 pm
“No it’s not. It’s a matter of choice. The state is not forcing anyone to purchase and or use such a tag”
Now…when it comes to our MONEY, that’s a horse of a different color
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:53 pm
JHM
There was this one time several yrs back that I was eating lunch at a small sandwich shop outside of Clatyon Ga. The placed served beer but not liquor. I asked the owner did anyone in Rabun Cty serve liquor. He said no one except “private clubs”. (that might have changed by now) I said ok and forgot about it.
Before my gf at the time and I left, the owner asked where were we eating dinner that night. I told him I didn’t know. He invited me to the VFW. He was a member and his cousin ran the place. We took a chance and went that night. Met a lot of good folks and had a great time. Bunch of white N Ga folks, of course a few FL folks who live there in the summer and my half bread self.
What a time it was.
larry
July 19th, 2012
4:53 pm
Actually it is josef….
Because you can only get one sticker that says ” In God We Trust” .
Try going up to the tax commissioners office and ask, ” Can i have a In Allah We Trust sticker please?” and see how far you get.
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
“So now you see, Lonestar. Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.” –Lord Helmet from Mel Brooks’ Spaceballs
Dumb like California.
What’s amazing, Mr. Bookman is that there are any number of reasons that California had blackout issues that destroyed the administration of Gray Davis, originally in 2000 – 2001. Many of those reasons are extreme attempts at government control, resulting in a complex partial deregulation of a power system market that few then understood and few now comprehend.
What is clear about the energy market we learned nationally from the price controls and market caps that created the artificial gas shortages of the 1970’s. California didn’t remember this lesson however, in its attempts to focus on all kinds of good intentions at the expense of performance and efficiency. California never realized it would create the same problems for itself again and again with idiotic half-measures compiled over decades into a mess of bureaucracy. But for realizing that, it’s full steam ahead for utopian regulations and the resulting problems, shortages and cost increases.
ENRON executives understood it though, even better than the geniuses in Sacramento, however, and they and many others took advantage of governmental fecklessness and stupidity to create an artificial shortage, a needless crisis and $50 billion or so dollars.
Did the Enron folks do something morally wrong? Yes, they did. Do state Democrats care about the fact that essentially, their public money is simply, lying around for perfidious men to come and grab? No. They didn’t then and they still don’t. They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So’s the road to power shortages and graft.
No, Sacramento obviously doesn’t, nor do you, the media ever point out that an insane system carved out by California’s special interests and liberal bureacracies may be the problem, and the real victims are the people of California. The elected officials, many of whom place more value on hugging trees, as a goal of power generation than they do power generation, couldn’t conceive that their stubbornness will always attract graft where it can be gotten easily.
Seems to me like the Californian people are getting just what they deserve, a state where power costs are probably sky-rocketing, a state that has a strong commitment to the environment, the results of which are unclear, and a state where their leaders always have someone else to blame for their troubles, the results of which are all too clear.
Looks like that what Obama said last week was true for California. “If you started a business, you didn’t build that.” Right on. Only the tree-hugging do-gooders in the Golden State could concoct a crazy half-regulation, half cap and price-fix scheme so complex that it put its own citizens on the hook for outrageous bills.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
JHM @ 4:51
agreed
getalife
July 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
We could use some sectarian Muslim arguments.
I like the idea of confessing on obituaries.
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
And perhaps you’re just sheltered, Doom. Maybe you haven’t seen and experienced quite as much as you think you have.
It’s called socially inept – not sheltered. All Doom’s friends don’t talk back, are all white, you can blow them up and are made of plastic.
He’s tried, oh so hard, to find real human friends; but alas, no one wanted to play with the kid who wets himself all the time or who eats his boogers in public.
josef
July 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
It’s sorta like this: I have nothing against (Christians/homosexuals), I just wish they wouldn’t wave it in my face and stay in the closet and keep it out of my sight…same tune, different dance….
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:56 pm
And there was also one country dude for Iowa who owned a plumbing company in Cumming
He was a riot.
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:57 pm
Try going up to the tax commissioners office and ask, ” Can i have a In Allah We Trust sticker please?” and see how far you get
“Islam the Muslim name for God; the one Supreme Being”
Allah = God, there’s no reason Muslims could just use the English translation version
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:57 pm
josef
good point
point, counter point, point
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
4:58 pm
Doomy’s getting pwned.
Big time, and from all sides.
Just sayin’.
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
4:58 pm
getalife,
They are fighting for their lives.
josef
July 19th, 2012
4:58 pm
larry
There are states that permit any number of legends, even those of your own design. They are, however, subject to request review…it would be interesting to see if the one you propose, given a petition campaign requesting it be made available. would fly…
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:59 pm
oops! “Muslims could ” – meant to say “couldn’t”!
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
4:59 pm
Doggone,
Wonder why they don’t?
My suspicion is that they would and do when it suits them.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:59 pm
keep,
Glad to see you realize just how insanely dumb your post was. Funny but mine was only one word different from yours. Do try and make some sense sometime sport.
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
5:00 pm
“My suspicion is that they would and do when it suits them”
Well, being the contrarian I am…if I was Muslim I would do it just go confound all the bigotted “Christians” around
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
5:02 pm
Ushouldtalk,
Come now ma’am. You can at least elevate yourself to a 6th grade retort from a 3rd grade retort.
josef
July 19th, 2012
5:02 pm
Doggone
That is an interesting point you bring up. Most of the Muslims I know use the term G-d in their daily speech in English, and reserve All-h for the religious aspects. Among Arabic speaking Christians and Jews, the term All-h is used in daily speech.
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
5:03 pm
“Bid cost-recovery claim”
–the element of California’s stupidity for the day.
Just fill out this form and we’ll send you a check.
JP probably didn’t something wrong, but my guess is that it wasn’t illegal.
Nice occasion for liberal complaining though.
larry
July 19th, 2012
5:03 pm
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:57 pm
How about Buddah ? ” In Buddah We Trust? ”
Cant get one of those either.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
5:04 pm
josef
How did you like my race relations event up in Clayton?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
5:04 pm
0311, you know good and well I don’t bear you or your faith any ill will.
If you want to go to church twice a day and three times on Sundays, knock yourself out.
If you want to send your kids to church schools, go right ahead.
If you want to have five Christmas trees in your yard, fine.
I don’t even care if you want to go around proselytizing and inviting people to services.
I don’t care what you do in the pursuit of your religion so long as no one gets hurt.
BUT
I don’t recognize any authority on your part or your faith’s part to sit in judgment of others and expect any kind of aquiescence or submission. If you don’t want a gay couple living in your neighborhood, then you’d better buy the house before they close on it. If you don’t want the pagans down the street to have a bonfire in their yard on the winter solstice, you’d better hope that you can get the city council to deny them a burn permit before all the councilmen take off for Christmas. And if you don’t like beer on Sundays, then don’t go buy any.
AFAICS, religion is in *individual* matter, and even the Founders knew this — that men must be free to follow the dictates of their consciences in that regard.
What does it say about you if you’re expecting others to subordinate *their* consciences to *yours?*
pogo
July 19th, 2012
5:04 pm
Didn’t Obama name a guy named William Daley of JP Morgan Chase as his Chief of Staff for a while? Or did I just imagine that? And Daley’s departure from the Whitehouse was his own decision based upon how screwed up the inner workings of the Obama whitehouse were? Jay, if I were you, I would have chosen another topic because this one looks really, really bad about the decision making of your boy Obama. Or how corrupt he is, which is closer to the truth. This is just like Obama bringing in Geithner, a lifelong tool of big business and Wall Street as the Treasury Secretary. Obama loves to bring in those foxes into the henhouse doesn’t he? Why, do you suppose?
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
5:05 pm
“Among Arabic speaking Christians and Jews, the term All-h is used in daily speech”
I think there are FAR too many so-called “Christians” who are choosing to ignore that Jews, Christians, Muslims…ALL worship the SAME God.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
5:06 pm
Doom loses again so he goes major nonsense….
He still can’t face the fact that he conceded the President was right.
Oh well, off to deal with real issues.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
5:06 pm
Joe Mama,
I’ll get around to reading your novel soon enough. All I want to know is why we were talking about Cathy’s comments and then you resorted to your usual race baiting with the BBQ restaurant comment which had nothing to do with the point at hand. Is your game that weak that you jump to the race card for no reason at all. No novel is needed. Just want to know why you brought out the race card when race had not a damn thing to do with our conversation about Cathy. This should be interesting.
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
5:07 pm
The only license plate that I would ever own would say, “In JamVet I Trust. (You can keep your mythology!) “.
The country was forever changed and dramatically improved in Dayton Tennessee in 1929, when Clarence Darrow noted that “We have the purpose of keeping bigots and ignoramuses from controlling the education of the United States”.
And especially for the past fifty years or so we have done a much better job in this country of keeping the Klan Kristians and other religious nutjobs under control. As long as that trend continues, I’m OK with their blustering and for the most part, impotent rage…
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
5:07 pm
“If you want to have five Christmas trees in your yard, fine.”
Well that is actually derived from Pagans, I believe, but I digress.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
5:08 pm
“He still can’t face the fact that he conceded the President was right.”
Oh my God. Living proof of a liberal kook who actually thinks Obama was right about somebody else building someone’s business. Priceless!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 19th, 2012
5:08 pm
Imagine my surprise, when I found out that she had not only done “that” before, but she could give lessons.
Well, my advise to any young man is to go to one of those co-ed Christian colledges if you really want to get
worked overthe full treatment by a young woman. They’re experts at it and they’ll pray for your soul after they’ve left you panting for breath. And I don’t see why any man would go to any dating site besides ChristianMingle.com—that is, unless you’re Gay or something.The things you get to learn after it’s too late to do anything about it. Sigh.
josef
July 19th, 2012
5:09 pm
THULSA
“All Doom’s friends don’t talk back, are all white, “.
I guess that part of your family aren’t your friends, eh?
BTW met one of “your people” today from Serbia….interesting conversation…
BOTH
Clayton relations? Not exactly following that…catch me up…
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
5:11 pm
josef
I was reading the back and forth about the racial issues, so @ 4:53 I put in my 2 cents on a time I was up in Clayton
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
5:12 pm
Doom — “I’ll get around to reading your novel soon enough. All I want to know is why we were talking about Cathy’s comments and then you resorted to your usual race baiting with the BBQ restaurant comment which had nothing to do with the point at hand.”
I don’t race-bait, your blithering comment and run-on sentence nothwithstanding.
You made it clear that there’s at least one group of people you don’t care to eat with. I’d like to know what *other* groups of people you don’t care to eat with. As they say on Law & Order, ‘you opened that door, Counselor — I’m just letting opposing counsel walk through it, too.’ If you don’t want to be quizzed on that sort of thing, then maybe you should keep your mouth shut about what kinds of people you don’t want to be seated at a dinner table with.
“Is your game that weak that you jump to the race card for no reason at all.”
Nope. Racist comments from cons have been on the increase here lately. Perhaps y’all should guard your tongues a bit more carefully, lest we catch on to some subtext you don’t want us picking up on.
“No novel is needed. Just want to know why you brought out the race card when race had not a damn thing to do with our conversation about Cathy. This should be interesting.”
Read and learn, little one.
josef
July 19th, 2012
5:12 pm
Sign seen in a business
“In G-d we trust. All others pay cash.” I want me one of them…
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
5:13 pm
My proposition, Mr. Bookman is that the fear generated by liberal leaders has cost the country far more money than the fear of gun rights being taken away.
What gets more airtime?
We all know that fear of corporations destroying the environment is the operable theme in California politics, your column and a common theme everywhere in Obamaland, DC and what you would call the mainstream press. Gun ownership is hardly even mentioned by the bigger talk radio shows.
Looks like the California people are paying far far more in their one state for being played on their fears, paying far too much for a product/service they have to have than gun owners ever could be in buying products they want.
The fear of corporations through the increasing regulations that will surely come out of California makes clear that fear of corporations costs far more than fear of government regulations.
It also refutes your implication that gun-buyers are stupid.
larry
July 19th, 2012
5:14 pm
I guess if you start your business with a loan from the Small Business Administration, then the government didnt help build your business either.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
5:14 pm
TBS — “Well that is actually derived from Pagans, I believe, but I digress.”
I thought it was originally Thor-worship? P’raps both played a role.
FWIW, my wife’s got a pagan friend in her crafts group. Wifey says “it’s no sillier than any other religion.”
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
5:17 pm
Jam vet………. in case you missed it.. July 24 at a theater near you that shows Fathom Events …The Who complete Quadro performed in 1973. Google Fathom Events schedule, punch in zip code for theater near you. Around $12 near me, cheaper than seeing them live. Includes commentary by Townsend
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
5:17 pm
Comix time! Yay!
http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/md_comics.htm
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
5:19 pm
“Doom, I can’t take you seriously any longer.”- Joe Mama
Joe Mama,
Well Missy that makes us different considering that I never took you seriously to begin with.
Its nice to know that you take me seriously enough to practically write a book to me and that I warrant that kind of attention. I would respond in kind except that you’re just not important enough to warrant that much of a response.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
5:19 pm
JHM
I used to have a guy who worked for me who was a Pagan. He told me his beliefs were pretty close to Wicca.
I asked him the difference and he told me that Wicca is more organized and like “church” and that certainly wasn’t him.
As far as either one, I know very little.
Mama Says
July 19th, 2012
5:20 pm
Jay,
I ask this because I don’t know.
Who regulates the power/electricity companies in California and the bid process ?
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
5:23 pm
Cons on here probably still think Enron did no wrong.
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
5:23 pm
If you chop a tree down in the forest and no one is around, did the Gov’t help you?
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
July 19th, 2012
5:23 pm
Go get those Democrats, Jay, that is who they are.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
5:23 pm
Doom — “Well Missy that makes us different considering that I never took you seriously to begin with.”
I can tell, especially since I send you into meltdown just about once a week. When you’re not away on vacation, that is.
“Its nice to know that you take me seriously enough to practically write a book to me and that I warrant that kind of attention.”
Punkin, some of us just think and write faster than you do. It doesn’t mean that I’m into you or anything — just that you’re fun to play with, my little squeaky chew-toy. (giggling)
“I would respond in kind except that you’re just not important enough to warrant that much of a response.”
I know, I know. The big words make your head hurt. (laughing, pointing)
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
5:24 pm
BTW – the subject of Jay’s blog puts me in mind of a quote from one of Dick Francis’s books (if this isn’t exactly right, it’s close): “What he did wasn’t illegal, but you’d have to have a law against it after he did it”
josef
July 19th, 2012
5:25 pm
BOTH
@ 5:11
Got it! I had missed the Clayton on reading it…and yes, I’ve had that happen more often than not.
I won’t ever forget once when I was travelling with a heavily melanin enhanced friend girl from Atlanta to Jackson. Her van started to go kerput and we had to pull off in Tallapoosa. It was July 4th and everything but one station was closed. The white boys there went and got the mechanic who opened up his shop, located the problem and called Bubba at the parts store who came down opened up and brought the part. It was taking time and the morning was wearing on. One of ‘em says, “y’all gotta be starving. Ain’t nothin open around here. Let me go see what’s ready over at Granny’s” and came back with two loaded plates of barbecue to make you slap yo Mama down and two quarts of iced tea. Was chatting with one of them, a fine looking specimen of Georgia country white boy with one of those soft and gentle accents. He wanted to know if “y’all live in Atlanta.” Told that I did, he said, that he had “gone over there when I got out of high school, but I didn’t much care for it. Too busy and the people ain’t always very nice.” Then apropos to nothing says, “I used to hang out at” and he named some gay bars and wanted to know “if you ever go there.” “Nope, me and Unmentionable don’t go to bars much.” “Probably a smart thing if you want to stay together. That’s why I moved mine back to Tallapoosa,” and he nodded over to one of the crowd gathered round under the hood…
All of the white boys, and all of them treating my friend girl like a princess…
One of the special moments of my life…
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
5:26 pm
“You made it clear that there’s at least one group of people you don’t care to eat with.”
Aaaah. Now I see. I mess with Joe about not wanting to eat with liberals and then Joe uses that as a pretext to spout some nonsense about a BBQ restaurant to suggest racism.
Come on Joe. You can do better than that. Ante up on why you insist on pulling the race card with absolutely no provocation. All I want is to see some justification from you as to why you decided to play the race card with no provocation to do so. You can do that right??? Nope. You can’t. Can’t lie or BS your way outta this one missy.
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
5:26 pm
“If you chop a tree down in the forest and no one is around, did the Gov’t help you?”
Who regulates the quality and safety of the ax you use?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
5:26 pm
From Jay: “But of course, it’s impolite to even notice that Wall Street continues to rip us off in a seemingly endless series of scams.”
From Me: “But of course, it’s impolite to even notice that the Obama administration continues to rip us off in a seemingly endless series of scams.”
JKL2
July 19th, 2012
5:28 pm
joe mama- “Your non-answer was to try and reverse the question. Typical of today’s DNC.”
-Why would anyone who has a job and pays taxes vote for a democrat?
Strike 5 and more dodging. You’re on a role…
Didn’t realize it would be so difficult for a brainiac like yourself to come up with at least one feable answer. Maybe I should be asking getalife?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
5:28 pm
Talking about California:
Headline: “The tech giant is fleeing anti-business California for more friendly terrain”
“You don’t become the world’s most valuable company without being able to respond to basic economic incentives.
At least that’s what Apple Inc. is proving. The technology behemoth has purchased three large tracts of land in northwest Austin, Texas, where it reportedly plans to put a new operations center. The facility could represent a $300 million investment that stands to create some 3,600 jobs.
Gov. Jerry Brown and his colleagues in California should listen up. There’s a limit to how anti-business you can be before job creators decamp for greener pastures.
According to a survey of 650 CEOs by Chief Executive magazine, California’s business climate ranked dead last in 2012 — for the eighth year running. (You’ve got to admire that kind of consistency, we suppose.)
For starters, there’s the issue of taxes. As the Tax Foundation reports, California boasts the third-worst business tax climate — bested only by New York and New Jersey. At 8.84 percent, it has the highest corporate business tax in the West, as well as the highest sales tax in the country at 7.25 percent. This is to say nothing of a system of regulations with little sympathy for entrepreneurs and business owners.
Perched atop Chief Executive’s list of business-friendly states is — you guessed it — the Lone Star State. Aside from being a right-to-work state, it doesn’t hurt that Texas levies neither a personal income tax nor a corporate income tax. Lawmakers there are also known for a light hand when it comes to regulations.
And while Apple was given a number of financial incentives, it doesn’t take a brain surgeon — or a computer engineer, for that matter — to understand why the company chose pro-business Texas over tax-and-regulate-them-into-submission California for its new digs. We just hope Brown takes a lesson from this embarrassment. If he doesn’t, he might start seeing more tech titans trading in their Silicon Valley flip-flops for good ol’ Texas cowboy boots.”
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/07/19/071912-opinions-editorial-apple-campus-texas/
josef
July 19th, 2012
5:29 pm
DOGGONE
One of the old queens when I was a young Turk used to always say of certain behaviors, “It’s highly unethical if not illegal…” And our crowd picked it up and used it for just about everything we didn’t care for!
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
5:31 pm
“It’s highly unethical if not illegal…”
And I guess to bring it back to Dick Francis: he’d just add “yet” after illegal!
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
5:31 pm
Doom — “Aaaah. Now I see. I mess with Joe about not wanting to eat with liberals and then Joe uses that as a pretext to spout some nonsense about a BBQ restaurant to suggest racism.”
Well, Doomie, we’ll never know what other sorts of people you don’t like to eat with if you don’t tell us. Spill, Champ.
“Come on Joe. You can do better than that. Ante up on why you insist on pulling the race card with absolutely no provocation.”
Doomie, your skull’s really not that thick, is it? If there’s one group of people you don’t want to eat with, then it stands to reason that there might be others. What other groups of people don’t you want to eat around? Tell us. ;D
“All I want is to see some justification from you as to why you decided to play the race card with no provocation to do so. You can do that right???”
Of course. You started expressing a desire to not have people from a certain group around you while you ate. Perhaps there are other kinds of people you don’t want to be around while you eat? What other sorts of people do you not want to be around when you eat, Doom? (laughing)
“Nope. You can’t. Can’t lie or BS your way outta this one missy.”
You’re quite mistaken regarding who has something to “lie or BS their way” out of, Doom.
I want you to know how much I appreciate you showing us your true colors this afternoon, Doom. And just as soon as you’re ready to fill us in on any other sorts of people you don’t like to eat around, I’ll be more than happy to hear what you have to say on that topic.
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
5:32 pm
I use pocket knives to cut down trees, i use the ax on campers down at the lake.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
5:32 pm
A walk with the President:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=FKhVnAgt0EY
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
5:32 pm
For those who choose not to forget, think about an earlier CA electricity crisis caused by Enron.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/09/business/09ENRO.html?pagewanted=all
JKL2
July 19th, 2012
5:33 pm
mama says- Who regulates the power/electricity companies in California and the bid process ?
Since Republicans have ran that state for decades, I’m guessing they’re to blame. (unless it was Bush’s fault).
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
5:33 pm
josef
You just never know. While there certainly is racism, bigotry and prejudice all over, there is also a lot of great people in this world. Smallest towns to the largest cities
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
5:34 pm
JKL — “Strike 5 and more dodging. You’re on a role…”
Pitch all you want. If you’re not going to answer simple questions about what you’re after, I’m not playing your game.
“Didn’t realize it would be so difficult”
Nothing difficult about it at all. I asked you simple questions to clarify what you wanted, you were a jerk about it and I wrote you off. Shrug.
“for a brainiac like yourself to come up with at least one feable answer.”
Why should I play nice for you when you’re being a Richard to me?
“Maybe I should be asking getalife?”
Ask whoever you like. I’m sure they won’t be any more interested in dancing to your tune than I am.
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
5:36 pm
The AL shooter used a gun made by someone else, bullets made by someone else, shot thru glass made by someone else, at people drinking alcohol made by someone else. Did he act alone, or did someone else do that?
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
5:36 pm
“BTW met one of “your people” today from Serbia….interesting conversation…”
josef,
Were they Croatian and just from Serbia or Serbian? I had an interesting conversation at a barbeque a couple weeks ago with an acquaintance from my neck of the woods up in western PA and we talked about the Serbians and Croatians up there. Was this guy from Gwinnett county. There’s a little cluster of a few hundred Serbians that settled in Gwinnett.
BTW your take on chickfila is probably the best one here. I don’t even eat there much cause I’m just not crazy about their food. I eat there maybe twice a year. And I don’t necessarily agree with Mr. Cathy coming out publicly against gay marriage. The whole issue is a non-issue to me personally. And I don’t care that people want to boycott his restaurant as I feel they should if they feel strongly about their policies.
What I do resent and the single thing I dislike is this nonsense from the hard left on here that just because the man is against gay marriage that its because he is some sort of hateful bigot and not because of his religious views. I can’t understand why people on here have to automatically assume its all about hate as opposed to something that the man just disagrees with rightly or wrongly based on his religious views.
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
5:40 pm
“that just because the man is against gay marriage that its because he is some sort of hateful bigot and not because of his religious views.”
They aren’t mutually exclusive. And you can have all the views you want. What a LOT OF US resent is the imposition of YOUR views on others who don’t share them.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
5:40 pm
Thulsa @ 5:36
I liken it to an extent to the fear and paranoia that was being expressed last night about Huma Abedin.
Not that exact same thing however some of the sentiments were surely the same
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
5:41 pm
BADAss, I saw your info earlier and checked it out. Ta, mate! U da man.
Do you really think I care
What you read or what you wear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_BpxrnZDs0
pogo
July 19th, 2012
5:41 pm
And this; http://www.fns.usda.gov/cga/FactSheets/reaching.htm
So we are partnering with a foreign government for their citizens to get foodstamps in this country? It’s not like we don’t already have enough of our own citizens abusing this program but now we are recruting illegals to engage as well.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
5:43 pm
Headline: “USDA partnering with Mexico to boost food stamp participation”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/19/usda-partnering-with-mexico-to-boost-food-stamp-participation/#ixzz216i8JW4Q
Tundra Dude
July 19th, 2012
5:43 pm
Inmate #03118541581118111801, posted:
Talking about California:
For starters, there’s the issue of taxes. As the Tax Foundation reports, California boasts the third-worst business tax climate — bested only by New York and New Jersey
Oh look! Calif has taken Governor Romney’s spot. Mass was ranked 47th in Bizz climate, and 47th in job creation.
Maybe he’ll do the same for the US, with his “Baining of America” plan.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
5:44 pm
pogo:
Ditto !!!
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
5:45 pm
“Well, Doomie, we’ll never know what other sorts of people you don’t like to eat with if you don’t tell us. Spill, Champ.”
Stinky people sport. I discriminate against stinky people.
” If there’s one group of people you don’t want to eat with, then it stands to reason that there might be others.”
Rejected. Pure conjecture and fallacious reasoning. God that’s some sorry logic. I’m embarrassed for you Joe. Is that all ya got? And speaking of a thick skull I find it difficult to believe that you take a tongue in cheek comment about me not wanting to eat with liberals to heart. Been eating with them, dating them, and drinking and carousing with them my whole life. Get a grip dude. I guess I’m going to have to go back to putting in my keep up tongue in cheek disclaimer statement regarding facetious statements, sarcastic statements, and tongue in cheek statements, Geez.
“I want you to know how much I appreciate you showing us your true colors this afternoon, Doom.”
Sure buddy. Stretching like Gumby again I see and making a leap longer than Carl Lewis’s long jump. Trying to establish racism over a jesting comment about not wanting to eat with you liberals. You cannot possibly be that stupid. You just can’t.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
5:46 pm
cons wish they are smart and accomplished like Huma Abedin.
She is way out of their league.
I had a conversation with a Cajun the other day.
Did not understand a word she said.
Mama Says
July 19th, 2012
5:47 pm
Now who is calling for regulation of Wall Street ?
CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION
http://www.cpuc.ca.gov/puc/
The board in charge of regulating energy is appointed by the govenor and confirmed by the state senate. Of the five members 3 were appointed by Brown, a democrat, 1 by “the Govenator” and one by Gray Davis.
In other words control of the pricing and bidding process and rules overseeing it currently lies with the state democrats.
Facts that Jay left out and made me have to look up myself. Guess it was just an oversight Jay. I know you would have caught this fact if it were a republican board.
Seems the regulation party failed to regulate
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
5:47 pm
I’ve been to SoCal a few times over the past few years and their traffic problems are legendary.
Almost as bad as ours.
But alas, we have none of the benefits – the beach, the mountains or the…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BADZW9tZ1uc
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
5:48 pm
Jackie,
Caused by Enron, somewhat. The real reason? Let’s look at the common element between 2000-2001 and now? The feckless bumbling of California bureaucrats, and the mindless ignorance of California legislators.
As long as the people of California continue to buy the idea that California regulators are looking out for their best interests they are going to continue to be fed a bunch of lies by their own government, including the nonsense that it’s all JP Morgan’s or Enron’s fault. It’s an issue of public trust by public officials, and yet all the public officials in California are doing is avoiding the issue, blaming business and retrenching their socialistic fronts.
It wasn’t just Enron, either back in 2000. The only explanation for such public rip-offs are that companies were highly regulated to what they could charge the public but mostly unregulated into what they could pay for a buy electricity. When prices naturally rose in 2000, it made actual sense to shut down power plants or to sell power produced in California outside of Cali.
It’s the Nixon price control lesson all over again. California somehow can’t remember the lesson.
Enron’s fault?
Hardly–Enjoy the blackouts.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
5:48 pm
Tundra Dude:
Yep ……….. Obama’s doing a great job (pun intended) on job creation. What’s the jobless rate now? And don’t forget to include the African-American community.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
5:49 pm
Who’s gonna bail out all of the California cities that are going under?
G.I. Joe
July 19th, 2012
5:49 pm
I support Chick – Fil – A and their right to free speech. They oppose “gay” marriage because of their faith and that is their right.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
5:49 pm
I find it difficult to believe that you take a tongue in cheek comment about me not wanting to eat with liberals to heart.
The “just kidding” card.
So predictable.
JKL2
July 19th, 2012
5:49 pm
joe mama- JKL — “Strike 5 and more dodging. You’re on a role…” Pitch all you want. If you’re not going to answer simple questions about what you’re after, I’m not playing your game
Strike 6. Two down and more dodging. Like obama, you got nothing.
Are you a Cub fan too? Humor me and say that unlike our president, you could name at least one player (past or present) on your favorite team?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
5:50 pm
From this morning:
“Every dangerous item or issue known to affect children is handled by the government schools (lectures on safety) from how to cross the street, to poisons, to child abuse, to STD’s, etc., etc., etc. ………………… EXCEPT gun safety.
Why?”
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
5:50 pm
Numbers indicate that CA is the 9th largest economy in the world. Business climate must not be too bad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
5:51 pm
they both suck,
It could well be that maybe Mr. Cathy does harbor some hate or unwarranted animus towards gays. Who knows? But unless and until that is proven people should take the man at his word and just believe that he opposes gay marriage based upon his religious beliefs and just leave it at that. Why does it have to be an assumption that he is a hateful man?
Regardless Joe mama is tried to engineer some racism out it and suggested that I was racist based on a joking comment of mine that I wouldn’t eat with liberals. He then takes that to suggest that I would want to eat at a BBQ restaurant that doesn’t serve nonwhites. The way that this guy will try and misrepresent and stretch things is really just unbelievable in its blatant dishonesty.
josef
July 19th, 2012
5:52 pm
THULSA
Serbian Rom, from the Vojvodina outside Novi Sad. I thought at first that he was East Indian from appearance and the conversation started when I had asked him his name and it was very Slavic sounding. I told him that it sounded Slavic and wanted to know what part of India he was from! Without batting an eye, that’s when he told me the name of his home village and said “near Novi Sad in the Vojvodina” and waited with a somewhat sly look. “Oh,” I said, “the Ujvidek, Are you Magyar?” It was my turn for the sly look. From there the conversation rolled across the centuries of Balkan cultural history and the Roma. He made the point, though, that he was first Yugoslav, then Serbian, then Roma. He was an unrepentant Titoist!
As for Mr. Cathy, I disagree with him up one side and down the other, but I do respect that he applies his faith to his conduct of his life and his business. He walks the walk as well as talks the talk. If he doesn’t want my business, fine. I won’t give it to him. If he wants to donate his time and money and name to conservative Christian causes, fine. I’ll donate mine to liberal ecumenical ones.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
5:52 pm
A global economic slow down follows a global economic collapse.
Funny how people that are never right about anything act like they know everything.
Delusional is the state of our cons.
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
5:52 pm
0311,
Brilliant!
You’ve devastated the columnists liberal arguments.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
5:54 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
5:49 pm
I find it difficult to believe that you take a tongue in cheek comment about me not wanting to eat with liberals to heart.
The “just kidding” card.
So predictable.
Yep. Looks like I’m going to have to go back to using my kamchak and keep up disclaimers for facetious and tongue in cheek statements. Good God these are some dense people.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
5:57 pm
TD
Got ya. After reading some of the back an forth, that’s why I shared my feel good story from Clayton
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
5:57 pm
Speaking of eating out, here’s a brief story of a recent outing my wife and I had (josef might get a kick out of this one):
We were out at the local NE Georgia fast food burger joint for lunch and there was a group of young “adults” also partaking of a meal a few tables away. They were a rather loud group, laughing and giggling and making comments that were obviously deliberately loud enough to be heard by the locals. One female in particular was boldly talking in a rather silly southern hick accent. On their way out of the establishment, she loudly exclaimed, and I must admit that I am paraphrasing here but still very close to an exact quote, “Y’all have a nice day now, ya hare, eh hehehe (like a donkey in heat).” It was the best entertainment I’d had in weeks.
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
5:58 pm
0311 @ 550,
It’s a fine point to make. I’d guess that the sixties had something to do with formal gun training in schools such as my father had.
Another point might be that with the variety and volume of guns on the market, learning about them might be like learning to operate machinery and so more related to the occupational educations, such a mechanics and licensing.
Though in our country, we also don’t teach those things much anymore either. We’re too four-year college oriented.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
5:59 pm
josef,
Interesting. I have to say I’ve never met a Titoist. My uncle that came over decades back on trade missions for the Yugoslav govt was possibly a titoist but I didn’t know enough about him to know for sure his allegiances and such. I assume he was a Titoist as a govt trade rep.
As for Cathy your position is a fair one.
Oscar
July 19th, 2012
6:00 pm
Thulsa Doom
==========
Sarcasm and tongue in cheek comments are always missed by someone and taken seriously.
Noting it as sarcasm can save time and effort to clear up.
JKL2
July 19th, 2012
6:01 pm
getalife- Funny how people that are never right about anything act like they know everything.
Must be obama’s “lazer-like focus on job creation”.
josef
July 19th, 2012
6:01 pm
BOTH
It has been my experience that you largely find what you go looking for and I look for the best in whatever group/culture/environment/social setting I find myself in. You learn a lot more doing that than doing the opposite…
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
6:01 pm
TaxPayer,
The laughing at the southern accent is fine. I like for people to laugh, even when it is at my expense the laughter makes them feel comfortable.
The donkey-in-heat derision we can all do without.
Oscar
July 19th, 2012
6:02 pm
TaxPayer
——-
Somebody should have sneaked out and let the air out of their tires while they were eating.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
6:04 pm
Scout
Grew up in Columbus. The ROTC programs have a close relationship with the military due to Ft Benning being next door.
I was in ROTC in 9th and 10th grade. I was on the rifle team. We had a range at our school, so practice was close. Plus for an annual fee anyone part of a local high school ROTC rifle team could go to the indoor range every other week on the base.
Good times
getalife
July 19th, 2012
6:06 pm
jk,
You lost 9 million jobs and expect a different result.
That is the definition of insanity.
Perhaps conservatism is a mental disorder.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
6:07 pm
they both suck,
I’ll have to go back and read the Clayton story. In my fun with Joe I miss a lot of the other comments. Where is your post on it roughly?
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
6:07 pm
Oscar – Sarcasm and tongue in cheek comments are always missed by someone and taken seriously.
Noting it as sarcasm can save time and effort to clear up.
“subtlety is lost on the young” – W.C. Fields
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
6:08 pm
Somebody should have sneaked out and let the air out of their tires while they were eating.
Yes, that would have been an example of southern hospitality.
josef
July 19th, 2012
6:10 pm
OSCAR
One of my earliest lessons in blogging was to pepper my comments with the smiley…I didn’t realize just HOW seriously some folks take mindless jabbering and themselves…
TAXI
Speaking of dialects and accents, one of the things that I find intriguing in my line of work is the code switching which takes place. I can be dealing with someone from, say, Louisiana, and we’ll be chatting away in standard Southern English and then, once lieu de naissance is established, go straight into the local dialect without missing a beat!
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
6:11 pm
Oscar,
I hear ya. I make a joking comment about not eating with liberals that I don’t think anyone in their right mind would take seriously. And rather than take it as a “messin witcha” comment Joe mama treats it as if its a real policy of mine. Jeez. I used to use a kamchak or keep up disclaimer comment for just that purpose so that people wouldn’t take you literally and then try to twist it against you. Looks like I’m going to have to remember to use it some more for the truly dense out there.
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
6:13 pm
On the subject of making fun of the way people talk…..I was in Peru meeting the family of my then girlfriend, and she told me that they were laughing at the way I spoke in my bad Spanish. I then told her…”It’s OK, tell them we do the same to foreigners in the US”. Their faces were priceless.
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
6:15 pm
getalife proves again that he has the huge talent to say in very few words something more relevant and important than others who can write paragraphs and say nothing…
A global economic slow down follows a global economic collapse.
Funny how people that are never right about anything act like they know everything.
Delusional is the state of our cons.
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
6:16 pm
I don’t care what your race, religion, or gender is. I don’t want to eat with any of you. Your table manners may be as bad as mine.
josef
July 19th, 2012
6:20 pm
getalife
@ 5:46
I keep tellin ya…leave dem Boudreaux gals a’lon…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
6:20 pm
I used to use a kamchak or keep up disclaimer comment for just that purpose so that people wouldn’t take you literally…
No doomy, you didn’t “used to use” anything.
When you got pinned down after moving the goalposts a dozen or so times, you would trot out the “I was just funning/fooling/joking” card in an effort to start walking back your foolishness that you permeated CT’s blog almost every day.
The folks here don’t have the experience that Keep and I have.
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
6:21 pm
well it depends…who’s buying?
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
6:21 pm
AJC online article…..”NE Atlanta woman bound with duct tape”. What is wrong with people? It’s not the weekend yet!
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
6:22 pm
TD
4:53
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
6:22 pm
Obambarrassment :
Re: Firearms safety in schools ………….. stay tuned.
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
6:24 pm
@Obambarrassment
It appears that you are presenting a sanitized version of events. The CA legislators were literally handcuffed by Enron and Dyner during their energy manipulation. If you will look at all reports on this event, it is clearly demonstrated the state was taken hostage by these pirates.
F. Sinkwich
July 19th, 2012
6:25 pm
“In 2008, I tried to only making promises that I could keep or work on keeping,” President Obama said at a campaign event in Jacksonville today. “And I told you that I was not a perfect man and I wouldn’t be a perfect president but I also told you that I would always tell you what I thought, I’d always tell you where I stood and most of all I would wake up every single day, every single day and spend every waking hour thinking about you.”
Sniff…
He loves me!!!
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
6:26 pm
actually, let’s say we get together for dinner and a few drinks…how do we settle the bill?
equal shares
pay just for what you consumed
the richer guys pay more (or less: ideaology dependent)
the poor guy pays less or nothing (or more depending on ideaology)
run out and either the establishment gets reimbursed or not depending…
we’d never get outta the place
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
6:26 pm
They BOTH suck:
I hear you re: ROTC, rifle team, etc. but that was not my point. Those days are gone like having your pocket knife so you could whittle during recess.
My point was this.
Why aren’t kids today (from kindergarten on up) taught gun “safety”. In other words, showing films, etc. on what to do if you find a gun laying around (leave it alone and get an adult). Showing how dangerous guns can be (shooting a watermelon). How guns are “properly used”, etc., etc.
No hands on ………… just safety training.
Why isn’t this being done?
Note: If a kid today even draws a photo of a gun in school guess what? I wonder what they do with photos in the history books of Marines charging up Iwo Jima beach? I guess the rifles are airbrushed out ?
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
6:28 pm
kamchak,
Sorry sport but I didn’t get pinned down on anything. Joe mama suggested a racist comment and couldn’t back it up. Then he uses some kinda roundabout logic that because I said I don’t eat with liberals that I must have racist tendencies against other groups as well. Sorry sport but its just plain moronic first of all to have taken that statement seriously. And then to compound it and try and use that to say one must be racist against other groups because they refuse to eat with liberals is beyond stupid. Even you aren’t that damn dense.
As for CT’s blog I rarely commented on hers. Same thing happened where I make a dry, facetious comment and you and or keep try to act like its a serious statement. The problem with folks like you, joe, and keep is that you can’t argue the topic so you’re reduced to semantics games. In this case Joe got busted straight up making racial suggestions and then was reduced to having to walk it back with some stupidity trying to link his assertion of racism with a comment about not eating with liberals. Reasonable people realize that is beyond stupid.
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
6:29 pm
Jam – getalife proves again that he has the huge talent to say in very few words something more relevant and important than others who can write paragraphs and say nothing…
i thought he was being introspective
Oscar
July 19th, 2012
6:30 pm
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
6:24 pm
—————–
It’s the job of the governor and legislature to make sure that does not happen. Law of unintended consequences must have gotten them.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
6:30 pm
Scout
I know what you were saying, but that reminded my of ROTC for some reason, so I passed it along…………
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
6:30 pm
I’m not quite sure if my story was properly interpreted. So just in case it was not, it was not I doing the laughing at her dialect. She was obviously and deliberately ridiculing the locals with her impression of a southern hick. She was quite entertaining to me because she came across as a rather pathetic version of someone trying to ridicule an Ellie Mae Clampett or the Dukes of Hazzard cast. One of the others in her group was obviously embarrassed because she was turning red and was quietly trying to just get out of the restaurant as quickly as possible.
Oscar
July 19th, 2012
6:31 pm
Kamchak
__________
Big difference in being in the South and being in the mountains. Not the same culture at all.
You should get to know the territory.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
6:33 pm
Erwin,
Drinking and ideology. They don’t mix.
Oscar
July 19th, 2012
6:33 pm
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
6:30 pm
_+________
I think everyone understood that. I did, and was not directing any negative comment toward you.
F. Sinkwich
July 19th, 2012
6:33 pm
“And I told you that I was not a perfect man and I wouldn’t be a perfect president…”
Yeah you did, doo-fuss.
You said you would bring us together, solve all of our problems, then solve all of the world’s problems including the tides.
EPIC FAIL, loser.
Now you backtrack like the little pu$$y you are.
No offense, obviously…
josef
July 19th, 2012
6:34 pm
BADA
Hey! Long time no see. Got one for ya from the front lines in public service in my job today. I was serving a parent in English. One of my Spanish speaking co-workers was brought into the equation and since the matter at hand was expressly between me and her as to service of the parent, we were speaking Spanish. The lady I was serving says to me in Spanish “Are you Jewish?” I looked a bit surprised, not that she was speaking Spanish, but the non sequitur. She says, “you’ve got a ladino accent.” I laughed and said, “well, yes, I am and yes, I guess it is!” Turns out she was a Cuban-American from a Jewish family and we had “old home week,” and a pleasant chit chat while conducting our business. Got me a good compliment to my new boss, too!
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
6:35 pm
@Oscar
When a utility is no longer regulated, they governor or the legislator has not sway over the pricing decisions made by those who own the fungible product being sold on the open market. Do I have that right?
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
6:36 pm
“Now you backtrack like the little pu$$y you are.”
Way you are crying more than usual, which is hard even for you, figured your _____________ hurt
“No offense, obviously”
josef
July 19th, 2012
6:38 pm
TAXI
I got it, too. There’s nothing chaps my ass quite as much as somebody ridiculing an accent/dialect in a nasty fashion to try and act superior…I might myself have been tempted to show them some of K’chak’s “Southern hospitality!”
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
6:40 pm
have been tempted to show them some of K’chak’s “Southern hospitality!
does it involve Bombay Red?
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
6:42 pm
josef….sounds like me. I speak Espaniol with a Southern accent!
josef
July 19th, 2012
6:44 pm
California has a population of close to 40,000,000, putting it in the ranks of Poland, Argentina, Spain, among others. Of course it would have an economy of commensurate size. That doesn’t per force make it any healthier than, say, Argentina’s or Spain’s…
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
6:44 pm
they both suck,
I went back and read it and that was a good story. I have found that in a lot of small towns the vfw is a good place to get a good either steak special or fish n chips special. Super nice folks at those places too.
I’ve only been to a few places where people look at me funny in a restaurant. One was in West Virginia where we stopped off at a small town and ate at the local KFC on our way to PA. I hate to cast stereotypes but all the men were wearing overalls, everyone looked alike, and we just got looks and stares from around the room since it was obvious we were from out of town. It was weird and I was damn glad to be outta there. The other was years back when I took one of my assistants to lunch to celebrate a big deal we just closed on. She was a very attractive girl and was black. We got a lot of angry looks from the brothers in the restaurant. They were not happy at all. Of course they didn’t know that the odds of me and her hooking up were about the same of that proverbial snowball in hell.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
6:48 pm
josef,
Cal’s economy is probably much larger than those other nations you spoke of. Cali used to be the 7th largest economy in the world but has slipped in the past few years to 8th. Those blue state folks are trying to push it to no. 9 or 10 if they can. Tee hee.
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
6:48 pm
okay…i gotta take the lamp shade off my head and…….
travel safe
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
6:48 pm
josef,
Regarding the local dialects, I know you will disagree with me here but I think of convert’s antics as those of a local making fun of himself because I do the the same from time to time and that’s just how he comes across–right or wrong. I’m Georgia born and raised and I’ll have fun at my own expense on occasion. However, the girl at the fast food restaurant came across as precisely the sort that I think you see when you read convert’s posts and thought was my reason for thinking you might enjoy reading my post.
josef
July 19th, 2012
6:49 pm
CAT
Tanqueray!
BADA
I’ve gone to great effort to protect, preserve and promote my Southern accent, but it’s funny that it doesn’t show up in my other languages. It’s bizarre what does, however. I speak Polish with a Spanish accent and German with a French accent…why, I have no idea…
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
6:50 pm
WHO LET THE DOGS OUT? You didn’t do that. Someone else did that.
Oscar
July 19th, 2012
6:50 pm
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
6:35 pm
______
I believe that is correct. I think that’s where they went off track.
Sounded like a good idea at the time.
G Mare
July 19th, 2012
6:50 pm
I bought a great t shirt at a Celtic Festival years ago: BORN AGAIN PAGAN.
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
6:53 pm
@Oscar
I am confused by your answer; how did the state go off track in that they had a responsibility to purchase electricity from their supplier?
Boris Badnoff
July 19th, 2012
6:53 pm
Hard to believe that a company named for and founded by John Pierpont Morgan could be guilty of chicanery. Surely not. Every state has its woes. Here in Georgia you have to have a certified copy of your birth certificate to get a drivers license. But to get a certified copy of your birth certificate you must supply a copy of your drivers license. It appears that Georgia is guilty of document incest. If only I had Bookman’s money I could get a chauffeur and be driven like Miss Daisy.
Oscar
July 19th, 2012
6:54 pm
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
6:48 pm
________
I think we all like to make fun of ourselves when we are in our own group or tribe. But don’t like outsider’s doing it to us.
I don’t take offense at covert. Think he is funny.
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
6:55 pm
I was Down Under in 93, and I was surprised to find a BK on the Gold Coast. I went up to the counter and ordered a #1 with a coke, the same as in the US. The poor young gal looked up at me and said ” Sir, I didn’t understand a word you said”. MY travel companions and I laughed about that the rest of the trip.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
6:55 pm
Gmare
Good evening
“BORN AGAIN PAGAN.”
That is pretty good
josef
July 19th, 2012
6:56 pm
TAXI
There’s nothing I love more than a good time jesting in fun at the way we talk. English is so rich in dialects and good humored repartee is a great way to cross across our various origins. My objection to the Du-k-sha-nee is not so much his shtick as it is his incomplete and poor command of the dialect he seeks to use and his consistent negativism. Give me a Larry the Cable Guy who’s not “one of us” but who has the dialect down to the native and his use of it to present a complete personality with a love of the pearls of wisdom he brings out while keeping you rolling in the aisles..
.
josef
July 19th, 2012
6:58 pm
GMARE
Got your message from last night late…yes. “The Lemon Tree” was a most interesting read…
Oscar
July 19th, 2012
6:58 pm
Jackie
______
I meant that somehow they wound up at the mercy of their suppliers. That’s why I think giving up the right to regulate wound up hurting them rather than helping them.
I think this thread started by the statement that Enron and Dyner had the state handcuffed. I thought part of the reason was the lack of regulation and also the fact that CA now has to by energy from outside the state.
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
6:59 pm
G Mare – remember quite a few years ago when the phrase of the moment was “life’s a bitch, then you die”? During that time I had something like 6 male dogs and I bought a T-Shirt that has a male Great Dane wallowin on his back, fully intact (meaning not neutered) and it says “Life’s NOT a bitch”
josef
July 19th, 2012
7:00 pm
Speaking of dialects and being abroad in the English speaking world…we were in Ireland and were in Youghal…we were talking to a couple of locals and telling them how charmed we were with Yoo-gal. They started laughing and told us we ought to know how to pronounce the name of their town. Why?
“It’s pronounced Y’all…”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
7:02 pm
Big difference in being in the South and being in the mountains. Not the same culture at all.
You should get to know the territory.
“Get to know the territory”???
Too funny!
Currently, I am in a small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns. and have been a part time resident here for the past four years, sport.
josef
July 19th, 2012
7:02 pm
DOGGONE
Unmentionable had a t-shirt that said, “Life’s a bitch and then you go home to one!” A radical feminist took offense and he nodded over to me, “well, Honey, you go home with this one and tell me what you’d call him!”
carlosgvv
July 19th, 2012
7:04 pm
I read in a recently published History book that a certain Senator’s “soft Southern accent masked his razor sharp intellect”.
It’s astonishing that this kind of bias is still being printed in American College textbooks.
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
7:05 pm
The share of the nation’s wealth held by the less affluent half of American households dropped precipitously after the financial crisis, to 1.1 percent, according to new calculations by Congress’s nonpartisan research service.
By contrast, the share of total net worth held by the weathiest 1 percent of American households continued rising, hitting 34.5 percent in 2010. The top 10 percent’s share was 74.5 percent.
Wow. Let’s give the wealthiest another tax cut because they clearly earned it. They whooped some poor people’s butts!
josef
July 19th, 2012
7:06 pm
“Big difference in being in the South and being in the mountains. Not the same culture at all.”
And I beg to differ…I’m half Hillbilly and 150% Southern…it’s the kind of Southerner I am on that side of the family…
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
7:08 pm
Josef – I like it!
josef
July 19th, 2012
7:09 pm
Carlos
I agree. That one chaps me, too. It always tickles me when somebody reads that “soft spoken gentleman” accent as a sign of weakness and then, bam, finds him’herself being torn to verbal shreds once the gentlemanly veneer is dropped.
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
7:10 pm
“It’s astonishing that this kind of bias is still being printed in American College textbooks”
Maybe it’s just me, but I saw no bias in what you quoted. The softness of the accent transcends dialect. For instance, NO ONE would accuse Paula Deen of having a “soft” accent.
Martin the Calvinist
July 19th, 2012
7:10 pm
After reading some of the author’s comments after his blog posting, I want to say two things, whether it is someone gaming the welfare system or someone gaming the market, it’s wrong and it should be punished swiftly and harshly to deter more people trying to do the same thing.
And secondly, Jay, who wrote the law, seriously, it’s legal, it may not be moral but’s it is legal, go after the ones who wrote the law and critize those politicans afterwords who have had ample time (probably) to make such practice illegal, critize them……
I’m really begining to believe you desire a command economy where the gov’t controls all economic activity…..
Oscar
July 19th, 2012
7:10 pm
I have learned to communicate pretty well with people. Only had one guy hang up on me, he was in Miami.
But I can’t make those computer telephones understand me. I always have to go to the punch one or two system. Yes and No they can get ok but nothing complicated.
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
7:12 pm
“it may not be moral but’s it is legal, go after the ones who wrote the law”
If it’s not moral, it’s perfectly valid to “go after the ones” who took advantage of it being legal.
josef
July 19th, 2012
7:13 pm
THULSA
I’m not sure where California’s economy ranks there with those I mentioned…I’ll try looking it up…I’ve wondered about that myself…
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
7:13 pm
Big today eight yellow I Saturday English for without always no and London tomorrow under high search before kite section retail Friday above but LOL. (There are some words, but I don’t want to arrange or punctuate them. Let the Gov’t do it.)
This is Still Amrica
July 19th, 2012
7:14 pm
Chic – Fil – A did not have to come out. They never hid the fact they credit God for their success. So they oppose “gay” marriage – that’s their right.
josef
July 19th, 2012
7:15 pm
OSCAR
Those computer telephones and our dialect(s)…that infuriates me and I make a point of calling the corporate offices of those involved and giving them a lecture on cultural sensitivity! They just don’t get it…
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
7:17 pm
This is Amrica
What blogger said it wasn’t ChicFilas right?
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
7:23 pm
Chic-Fil-A, Dixie Chicks. Chicks from opposite sides of the fence.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
7:26 pm
“I don’t know Huma, but from everything I do know of her, she has a sterling character,” [House Speaker John] Boehner (R-Ohio) told reporters Thursday. “And I think accusations like this being thrown around are pretty dangerous.”
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
7:27 pm
josef,
I’m pretty sure Cali’s economy alone is still the 8th largest in the world. Spain is one of the bigger economies in Europe but of course lags the big boys- Germany, France, England, and Italy. I think they are 5th.
Poland I have no idea but considering its a former east bloc economy I think they are probably relatively small but they have been growing very well the past decade or so if I remember correctly. One thing I’ve read about Poland that I don’t know if its true is that Poland is the only European economy to not try stimulus the past decade and consequently are the only economy to not go into recession. Not sure if that’s still true though.
Argentina is on my list of countries that I want to spend some serious time in when I retire. It used to be one of the 10 wealthiest nation’s and largest economies in the world until the Peronists ruined it. It hasn’t been the same since.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
7:30 pm
Chick fil a for 8 pages or so
Amazing
I need a chicken biscuit
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
7:31 pm
In all the comments regarding Jay’s topic today I have yet to see whether or not these activities of JP Morgan and the other bank are legal or illegal. It doesn’t say. Jay calls it a scam but provides no evidence that it is an illegal practice. Anyone know if this is in fact an illlegal practice?
josef
July 19th, 2012
7:34 pm
THULSA
That is correct on Poland. Tunisia and Libya have invited them in to teach them the Polish model. And the Polish economy is still on a roll.
Argentina? A study in dysfunctional society! One of the highest literacy rates and educational levels in the world, a major player in every cultural sophistication index, etc. etc. and has had more governments in its independence than any other…also the highest number of shrinks per capita in the world!
What is an Argentine? An Italian who speaks Spanish and thinks he’s French…
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
7:35 pm
Doom
To be determined
It very well could be illegal if a pattern can be proven with intent to manipulate
And depending on CA law
Who knows for sure yet tho
Ol' Timer
July 19th, 2012
7:35 pm
This kind of behavior will continue until somebody in a key position goes to jail! It’s time to get serious with these scammers. The deceit and fraud is rampant and must be dealt with ASAP.
Jay Gould is alive and well and roaming Wall Street.
Moon Mullins
July 19th, 2012
7:37 pm
If you would save an investment banker fron drowning, do not say, “give me your hand” as he has no concept of giving. Rather, say “take my hand” and he will be saved.
Selah!
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
7:40 pm
TD
I would say a small slap on the wrist or nothing.
If it is legal then by all means they are welcome to do it. Only thing I would say is that I’m sure just because something is legal everyone wouldn’t do it or teach their kids that it is ok to do.
Sad to say but there are a lot of scumbags in this world that operate in the framework of the “law”. I would piss on those people if they were on fire
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
7:42 pm
wouldn’t…………
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
7:46 pm
It seems like only yesterday that some cons were calling for some filleted Chicks. At least the worst I have heard from liberals is their intentions to not frequent a Chic-Fil-A.
josef
July 19th, 2012
7:50 pm
My question of Mr. Gay would be to ask him where he gets his chicken and do those plucking plants hire undocumented labor…of course, it would be the Christian thing to do, supporting those who practice traditional family values and communal self reliance…
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
7:52 pm
they both suck,
If its legal then we simply change the law. The thing we haven’t heard though is JP Morgan’s argument. I suspect that their argument as well as that of others is that this somehow or another promotes liquidity although I don’t see how. I would just like to see more info on something like this as opposed to one or 2 people just opining that its a scam. That’s all.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
7:56 pm
josef,
That’s what I like about Argentina. Its a mixture of Europe and is easily the most European of Latin States. Don’t forget to add in the Germans to the Italians and others in the mix in Argentina. Its the most cosmopolitan and culturally sophisticated of the Latin nations and the architecture of Buenos Aires is just beautiful IMHO. I intend to spend some time in Buenos Aires when I get the chance. Would like to visit Chile and possibly Uruguay and Paraguay also- time permitting.
marko
July 19th, 2012
7:57 pm
Once upon a time there was the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker. We out sourced those jobs. Now we just make money. seems to work out for some, but I just read that 50% of all Americans hold only 1% of the wealth .Student loan debt exceeds credit card debt, and we’re the only country on earth that has more guns than people. If we’re a socialist leaning country, bent on depriving people of their god given second amendment rights, we pretty much suck at it.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
7:59 pm
TD
It could be perfectly legitimate for all I know
josef
July 19th, 2012
8:02 pm
THULSA
Argentina, Chile and Uruguay are on our list of places to spend some time after retirement. Unmentionable wants to go to Patagonia and I want to visit with the Jewish gauchos. He claims he’s taking me to Usuaia…as far SOUTH as I can get! Of course the Chilean (and Argentine) wine country. Montevideo is supposed to have even more amazing architecture than BA. Paraguay? Well, not so much…
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
8:04 pm
marko,
but we’re the best at suckin’ at it.
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
8:04 pm
JHM,
First of all I didn’t “wave” my beliefs around, to the contrary you wave your non-belief around. You don’t have the right to challenge my beliefs as some sort of authority because I have the right to ignore you. That’s where we are, enjoy your evening.
G Mare
July 19th, 2012
8:04 pm
Hi, everybody. Re the CA economy: I think a 4th CA city has filed for bankruptcy recently.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
8:07 pm
If we’re a socialist leaning country, bent on depriving people of their god given second amendment rights, we pretty much suck at it.
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
8:10 pm
Interesting that Jay’s over the top rant regarding accusations about Huma Abedin haven’t made it very far in the news… Political hackery.
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
8:10 pm
What do Athens, Ga and Atlanta, Ga have in common? They are two of the top ten cities across the nation with the highest income inequality.
Fred ™
July 19th, 2012
8:13 pm
josef @ 8:02: Isn’t it interesting how so many Jews AND Nazi’s ended up the same place during WWII?
Well during for the Jews, after for the more of the Nazi’s……….
captguitarman
July 19th, 2012
8:16 pm
This blog is all over the map this evening, so not much to add. But as I read Jay’s column I thought, “Shades of Enron, Batman” — how is it still even possible for anyone (even the Wall Street sociopaths) to run energy scams in the once great state of Kaliforrnia? After what Enron did to that state under Gov. Gray, you would think that their state legislature, the state’s utility regulation agencies (the mind boggles at how many diffferent ones there may be and the niches they rule) and the Governor’s office, would have figured a way to batten down the hatches on this kind of thing. Remember the “rolling black outs” once orchestrated by Enron traders to drive the price of energy up? Well, as someone noted, Wall Street sociopaths and traders are a hell of a lot smarter than layers and layers of state bureaucrats and regulators any day of the week, and they just love to prove it. Once again they have.
As a moderate Pub/Con, I have no love for Wall Street and what it has become. One huge problem this capitalistic nation has (the fault of BOTH parties) is that the Streeters no longer have any interest in investing capital in business to create strong companies and long term and stable value which rewards both the investors and improves the nation and increases over all wealth, good for every one. Today, these MBA sociopaths graduate with the idea of becoming multi-millionaires ASAP, and the fastest way to make money is with money and manipulating the flow of money in its many permutations in many businesses. All this long term investment and building companies and communites, etc. is just so 20th century.
So, during the last big gasoline price gouging (finally cooling off a little, but it will get worse again), it must have been lots of demand with little supply, like in the 20th century. Wrong, Octane Breath. It was brought to us courtesy of Wall Street speculation on oil futures. Be comforted that the sociopaths made gazillions even as our anemic economy limps along. Just one of many examples. They are every where and into anything involving the exchange of money, how long it is held, how much interst can be earned, and how the rules can be bent every where.
There is a great Dem/Lib ournalist who writes for Rolling Stone magazine, Matt Taibbi, who covers Wall Street. After Dodd-Frank (two fellow Dem/Libs, but deeply in the Wall Street tank) got passed to reign in the banks, he was not impressed. His prediction, the Great Recession can and will happen again and the banks, still too big to fail, will get bailed out again. How? Contrary to the “basement dwellers” (good one) who just lay it all at the feet of the Pub/Cons, all of Congress is in the Wall Street tank. They could not do what they do if the Dem/Libs and Pub/Cons rose up up and began passing the modern, needed rules and regs to reign them in stopped the SEC from being a career stop for a life time of earning gazillions. And no way is Obama going to bite the Wall Street hand at this stage of the campaign that he needs so badly – sorry Occupy Wall Street basement dwellers, but the truth is that the Dem/Libs are deep in the Wall Street tank too.
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
8:17 pm
The sorry condition of our economy on the brink of bankruptcy along with the Middle-East boiling cauldron and all sorry azzed libs can worry about is Dan Cathy of Chick-Filet expressing his opinion on same sex marriage. Truly an example as to why Democrats owned by the hard-left need to be unhooked in November.
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
8:24 pm
Oh no! We is going under. Is there a Republican in the house with a budget that reduces the debt by so much as a single penny. Why no. No there is not. Oh No!
G Mare
July 19th, 2012
8:26 pm
Just saw on Reuters that the Defense Dept has ruled that military members may wear their uniforms in the upcoming San Diego Pride parade. Slow but steady progress!
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
8:26 pm
Thulsa Doom: Come now ma’am. You can at least elevate yourself to a 6th grade retort from a 3rd grade retort.
Just adjusting my stride with the person I’m walking with; who happens to be a 3rd grader on Summer break.
Recon: The sorry condition of our economy on the brink of bankruptcy along with the Middle-East boiling cauldron and all sorry azzed libs can worry about is Dan Cathy of Chick-Filet expressing his opinion on same sex marriage. Truly an example as to why Democrats owned by the hard-left need to be unhooked in November
Pages 1 thru 6 was about the topic where conscientious “liberals” talked about progressive ways to solve the problem and cons talked about whatever inane topic that caught their attention at the time.
Look cons! Something shiny!! Oooooooo!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
8:26 pm
Ohh, I do love to watch Doom-Doom run away from his agreeing with the President…. better be careful Doom-Doom…. Cathy may put you on a roll with a pickle with all your cluck and run…
getalife
July 19th, 2012
8:27 pm
cantor put a loophole in the insider trading bill.
This congress should be dissolved.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
8:27 pm
Drink em up
Another round
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 19th, 2012
8:29 pm
Well, I see the gun control nuts are on here griping about how we got more guns than people in this country. To my mind we need more guns. Every family ought to have at least the same number of guns as people in it. Maybe include the pets too just to be on the safe side. You never can tell when old Bowser might need to defend hisself against a kidnapping or something. Anyway, when you’re in a gunfight and your gun jams, it won’t do much good to pull your whatchamacallit out of your pants and point it at the person you want to kill. You need to be able to carry a spare.
It’s hard to beleive another day has come to a end. But it has and so I’ll tell you to have a good night everybody.
carlosgvv
July 19th, 2012
8:30 pm
Doggone/GA – 7:10
The textbook didn’t say soft accent. It said soft SOUTHERN accent.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
8:31 pm
“Just saw on Reuters that the Defense Dept has ruled that military members may wear their uniforms in the upcoming San Diego Pride parade. Slow but steady progress!”
Any numbers on enlisted folks not reenlisting because of the new regulations or officers resigning their commission?
Would be interesting to know. Of course everyone wouldn’t be truthful, but would be good to have a gauge.
While maybe not agreeing, I think overall more younger folks are inclined to “let it go” and just proudly do the job the signed up to do
josef
July 19th, 2012
8:31 pm
FRED
Interesting, indeed!
*********
Liberals and interest in the problems in the Levant? Seems some of us ARE interested…notably this fellow:
“As Israel has tragically once more been a target of terrorism, the United States reaffirms our unshakeable commitment to Israel’s security, and our deep friendship and solidarity with the Israeli people,” said Obama, who called Netanyahu to express his condolences.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
8:32 pm
willard said no cuts for the military.
The cons got punked on cutting spending.
The gop disrespect the cons like pimps with pros.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
8:33 pm
josef, Argentina is one of my favorite vacation spots. Be sure to see Iuazu Falls on the Brailizian border…. makes Niagra look like a backyard water fall
carlosgvv
July 19th, 2012
8:33 pm
josef – 8:02
Have you ever thought about going to Finland and Estonia? I understand they are actually very pretty countries.
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
8:38 pm
On Monday, Lautenberg had tough — but mostly overlooked — words for Charles and David Koch: With a visual display behind him declaring “The Koch Brothers: Subverting the Democratic Process,” the Garden State senator demanded the conservative billionaires “have the courage” to make their political activities known to the American public.
Bravo Senator for calling out the kowardly Koch krooks.
josef
July 19th, 2012
8:39 pm
CARLOS
So I understand. I have (little Jewboy here!) a great deal of respect for the Finns. Most of the Estonians I have known have been wonderful people. I understand that the architecture of Talinn is amazing, too. I considered doing some post graduate work in Estonia in Indo-European linguistics. Theirs is supposed to be the most “pure” of the Indo-European languages…
GOOD FIGHT
Iguazu is on the agenda, too.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
8:39 pm
Keep
Just in cased you missed it, check this out — especially the start of the second paragraph.
Priceless!
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
8:42 pm
Jackie,
Why are these kinds of things always happening in California then and not so much other places like Georgia or Florida? Who set the playing field; who made the half-regulations, weird rules, and who printed the non-production refund forms the fellas at JP Morgan filled out?
Sooner or later the people of California will realize that this graft is happening in their state not because business guys hate California, but because they can outfox the very large and inept bureaucracy that the “fairness” and “tree-hugger” crowd birthed in order to order things.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
8:45 pm
Yep Kam, Doom-Doom just runs away from the real points. All that thar chest thumping as he retreats and hides.
josef
July 19th, 2012
8:45 pm
CARLOS
BTW there is an argument among linguists whether Estonian is Indo European or Uralic…it is closely related in many features to Uralic Finnish (they’re “almost” mutually intelligible), but it also shares many features with the indo-European…the gist of what I was considering studying is the commonality of the two as far as the “Proto” is concerned…
getalife
July 19th, 2012
8:46 pm
drudgey finally posts a patriotic article on the Olympics.
A miracle has happened.
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
8:48 pm
Why are these kinds of things always happening in California then and not so much other places like Georgia or Florida?
It’s because for the past 8+ years they had a republican governor.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
8:49 pm
“Romney Adviser: ‘Real Americans’ Don’t Care About Candidate’s Afghanistan Policy”
Back in the w’s disaster, this would be called unpatriotic.
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
8:50 pm
I’m certainly not predicting anything because the only thing I’m comfortable in believing is this upcoming national election will be very close. Lets say that it goes against the left and the White House changes occupants, along with transfer of leadership in the Senate with the House remaining in Republican control,what will we see happen in the Republic? Any takers?
josef
July 19th, 2012
8:51 pm
UShouldTalk
@ 8:48
Weeelllll….there is THAT!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
8:51 pm
josef, be sure to stay at the park (there is a hotel in the park–it was a Sheraton) and ride the boats into the falls too.
josef
July 19th, 2012
8:55 pm
GOOD FIGHT
Will do…have you been to Mendoza, Entre Rios, and Patagonia… ?
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
8:56 pm
Martin @ 710 is exactly right on.
He didn’t miss the larger point here that Mr. Bookman and the rest of the liberal company here are all willing to ignore.
It is this: the leftist side of the government in this country thinks that more government is the solution to problems. No one on the left can possibly fathom that there is a solution to the problem of more government.
That’s what we have here. In the last decade the federal government produced marketing and advertising programs to promote food stamps. Rather than encouraging efficiency and cost control, this is an effort to give away money with little or no qualifications.
That’s the California energy “problem” in a nutshell. In being “fair” to business while they are making things “fair” for the consumer, the Cal government is unwittingly creating huge cost increases for its citizens, who are the victims of its ineptitude.
Because people like Mr. Bookman, and other “journalists” can’t tell a story without saying how rich bankers are thumb-screwing the little guy, they don’t report the truth.
Meanwhile, the money men get blamed while the liberal politicians stay in power and blame them. –Well, Gray Davis was the last politician to receive any blame. The jokes on us now because Californians seem to have happily elected a man many call “governor Moonbeam” who will cause many of the same troubles–if his policies didn’t directly cause the mess CA is in now.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
9:00 pm
josef, not yet.. next trip there. But I no longer have a Argentinian girlfriend down there, although I heard if I drive the Applachian Trail, I might get a new one.
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
9:01 pm
what will we see happen in the Republic? Any takers?
Bush Redux.
Been there. Done that. Got the stock market collapse to prove it.
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
9:01 pm
Mr. josef –
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
9:02 pm
Jerry Brown or Gov. moonbeam would like to change the California political landscape but he can’t because his party is now owned by the hard left and that includes him. All citizens who believe in traditional America must unite and throw the trash out wherever it exists.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
9:03 pm
Honestly if the cons don’t reform entitlements and cut spending including military spending
I am going to need a new country
Because I’ll have officially had it
If Romney wins and nothing happens
I’ll vote for the democrats
And so on and on until these morons get the message
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
9:04 pm
Well with a world economy that we are dependent on that is hurting, what will not be happening is some huge economic boom……… and I say that regardless of who wins the WH.
stands for decibels
July 19th, 2012
9:06 pm
Lets say that it goes against the left and the White House changes occupants, along with transfer of leadership in the Senate with the House remaining in Republican control,what will we see happen in the Republic? Any takers?
SCOTUS gets perma-packed with corporate pawns; subsequent efforts to effect reasonable policy changes are crushed, a long simmering working class turns against the Republicans and forms some crazy ass Maoist party that assassinates Reps and Dems, civil war, nukes, invading countries, more nukes, we welcome our insect overlords.
Something like that.
josef
July 19th, 2012
9:06 pm
GOOD FIGHT
When that was going on, we took a ride up to the mountains…Unmentionable said we could go ahead and claim we’d been to Argentina…
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
9:06 pm
Lets say that it goes against the left and the White House changes occupants, along with transfer of leadership in the Senate with the House remaining in Republican control,what will we see happen in the Republic? Any takers?
Four more wars funded by more bigger tax cuts for the wealthiest.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
9:06 pm
Kam, now here are some speedos to enjoy!
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
9:06 pm
Jm
Don’t expect to see any huge military spending decreases. I would even say that if Obama wins, the decreases will be less than he is touting.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
9:08 pm
I am going to need a new country
Because I’ll have officially had it
An empty promise that you continually make, but never make good on. How can we miss you if you won’t go away?
josef
July 19th, 2012
9:08 pm
“All citizens who believe in traditional America must unite and throw the trash out wherever it exists”
AMEN! Vote Democrat in November and do your part to save Western Civilization…seriously…..
St Simons - he-ne-ha
July 19th, 2012
9:08 pm
best.punk.everrrr – She just posted it on Facebook – hahaha cons.
—————————
from Breitbart – dated July 9, 2012
Dear Ms Connie Schultz, syndicated columnist,
We are doing an expose on journalists in the elite media (sic) who
socialize with the politicians they are assigned to cover. We have in
our possession several photos of YOU with Senator Sherrod Brown.
In at least one of them, you appear to be ‘hugging’ him.
Care to comment?
name withheld
——————————————
Response dated July 10, 2012
Dr Mr Name withheld,
I am surprised. Do you you have a photo of me kissing him so
hard he passes out from lack of oxygen? He’s sooo cute.
He’s also my husband.
You know that right?
Connie Schultz
————————————————-
FWD: July 17,2012
waiting, hey I’m waiting……………
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
9:09 pm
“Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser”
Vince Lombardi
And we see the Obama apologists making excuses. I don’t believe most Americans accept the excuses.
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
9:10 pm
“The textbook didn’t say soft accent. It said soft SOUTHERN accent”
Was they guy FROM the South? Did he HAVE a Southern accent? What would you have had him say…that his soft FRENCH accent masked his toughness?
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
9:11 pm
captguitarman,
In a long post you reveal that you understand little about oil and commodities.
If an investor bets on the market, that the price of gas will go up and that price falls, he will lose money if the price falls. If he bets on the price falling, he will lose money if it rises. The futures market and the commodities markets are there to offer contracted stability to producers and to ensure a reasonable supply for consumers.
If you know of a better way to run things, be my guest and explain it.
You’re wrong that the price of gas is being set by New York financial cartels. They are being set by supply, demand, world uncertainty (any crisis in mid-East spikes it), domestic production, commodity security (decreases in security increase price; the US policy to relax bans on oil production or drilling would add some security to prices) and one very powerful cartel called OPEC.
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
9:11 pm
@Obambarrassment
You seem to be unaware of the fact that Oregon had much of the same problem.
Secondly, if you think about it, with a economy the size of CA, what better way to prove your business model?
Much like the financial industry has its major players in NY, much of the criminal activity happened in NY. Does that anecdotal facts prove my point?
Do you think the bureaucracy in NY state brought this crisis on themselves “because they can outfox the very large and inept bureaucracy that the “fairness” and “tree-hugger” crowd birthed in order to order things?”
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
9:13 pm
Why are these kinds of things always happening in California then and not so much other places like Georgia or Florida?
Hysterical.
And pathetic.
For the perpetually ignorant, take a wild guess which state leads the nation in failed banks?
We need to build a lot more prisons just to put all of the Republican banksters in them…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
9:14 pm
Recon 0311 2533 :
WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
Go to the 3 min. mark and start watching …….. especially @ 3:45. Wonder where these Marines are today? 6 feet under !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvLOf8EcUaQ
josef
July 19th, 2012
9:15 pm
ST SIMON’S
Oh, yes, that one gets my vote for “best!”
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
9:15 pm
Kam
Dude, I’ll try again in a few years, after the election and the time is right
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
9:16 pm
Kam
Jm is going nowhere………
All that talk and he only made it to South Florida.
Outside of vacation he is a stateside man
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
9:18 pm
Well T.P. at least tried but typically failed to provide a cogent response to my 8:50pm. The rest of you lib’s could not or lacked the strength to reply. I don’t think America accepts your distorted vision of what this country should be.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
9:18 pm
““Show me a child molester and I’ll show you a my defensive coordinator”
Joe Paterno
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
9:19 pm
If you are going to Singapore, you might want to go enjoy before they decide to change the tax structure
Their debt is crazy HIGH
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
9:20 pm
Guess who is sipping again
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
9:21 pm
Tbs
Tried to get a job in sunny Singapore
Didn’t work out
Will try again later
But failing that, you may be right, I may be stuck here
Been There, Done That
July 19th, 2012
9:21 pm
what will we see happen in the Republic? Any takers?
1. Immediate repeal of Obamacare, with a law mandating interstate sales of health insurance and other worthless measures. Passed in Senate by reconciliation–51 vote majority.
2. Conversion of Medicare to a voucher system, with a legacy system for people 55 and over, again passed in the Senate via reconciliation.
3. Significant reduction in Medicaid allocations to the states.
4. Elimination of filibuster for court nominees—hundreds of conservative judges confirmed to fill vacancies.
5. Numerous worthless anti-illegal immigration measures passed into law—completion of border fence, etc.—anything but holding employers responsible for hiring illegals.
6. Passage of a national sales tax to replace part of the income tax, with significant screwing of lower-income people and a concomitant reduction in taxation of higher income groups and corporations. The sales tax will not be billed as a new tax but as a replacement.
7. Great reduction in the federal role in and funding for education.
8. Elimination of current provisions barring Arctic and most offshore oil drilling, with castration of the EPA and other regulatory authorities, and a great expansion of coal-fired power plants to satisfy the coal industry.
9. Bend over—that’s just in the first year.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
9:22 pm
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people :
“Penn State Nittany Pedophiles”
Did you see the article this week where the NCAA was being petitioned to let Penn State players leave and go to other colleges without a scholarship penalty?
Sounds like a lot of players are wanting to bail.
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
9:23 pm
Apparently another Republican dimwit got the axe here today.
Lord knows, I have helped more than few find their way to the AJC blogging door, but this time all I had to do was opine on various matters, which caused this loose screw to crap his pants and get a red card.
Good times in the lunatic fringe.
There are going to be a boatload more in the runup to November.
And I am going to enjoy the multiple meltdowns that are sure to come…
getalife
July 19th, 2012
9:26 pm
“But failing that, you may be right, I may be stuck here”
Get a good tan and drive around Arizona.
They will deport you.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
9:26 pm
Scout no but that’s good
I also heard they’re deliberating taking down the paterno statue
Would seem to be a no brainer….
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
9:27 pm
Getalife 9:26
Probably right
Just show up st Joe’s place and yell out: como esta?!
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
9:28 pm
Jm
I know someone who lives and works in Singapore. She liked it at first, but is looking to come back stateside.
josef
July 19th, 2012
9:29 pm
JM
You might want to consider emigrating here…I hear they’re looking for new blood…
http://www.sthelena.se/tristan/tdc2.htm
http://www.sthelena.se/tristan/tristan.htm
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 19th, 2012
9:29 pm
I would prefer not to export myself to Mexico though
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
9:30 pm
0311/8541,
These numb skulls on here would rather wallow in irrelevant social liberal stuff than understand that this country faces extreme dangers.
josef
July 19th, 2012
9:31 pm
BOTH
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
9:32 pm
josef
Could be “doubles” and we are not talking tennis………….
Jm
July 19th, 2012
9:32 pm
Tbs 9:28
All depends on how you go about it…..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
9:32 pm
Brother AmVet
I must have missed it. Who got red-carded today?
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
@Recon
Could you articulate dangers faced by the USA?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people :
Headline: “PSU students protecting Paterno statue amid controversy”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/07/18/penn-state-students-paterno-statue.ap/index.html?sct=cf_t2_a9
josef
July 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
BOTH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REvmhBO99I4
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
9:33 pm
Guess whose shlepping again. What a pathetic waste.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
9:34 pm
jm,
Let us know when you are leaving so we can celebrate one less con.
Jm
July 19th, 2012
9:34 pm
Scout
That’s ridiculous
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
9:35 pm
Recon 0311 2533:
I remember about four weeks before the last presidential election that someone had made news saying Obama was a danger to this country.
McCain got on national t.v. and said, “We have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency”. I knew right then he didn’t want to win, couldn’t win and it’s been downhill ever since.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
9:36 pm
Jm:
What’s ridiculous ?
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
9:36 pm
Jackie,
You’re comparing apples to computer chips. Financial transactions are national and international business mainly. New York is the financial capitol of the world, some say, but it is certainly the financial capitol of America. Energy transactions are run by State public service commissions with basic federal rules. The energy capitol of California is in California.
JamVet,
In mentioning hysteria, you go all….. I don’t know….. crazy!?
Jm
July 19th, 2012
9:36 pm
Getalife
Don’t hold your breath…
Maybe Romney or Obama will turn this ship around, though I doubt it
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
9:36 pm
“Could you articulate dangers faced by the USA?”
I could but if you don’t already know I probably can’t help you.
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
9:37 pm
Well T.P. at least tried but typically failed to provide a cogent response to my 8:50pm. The rest of you lib’s could not or lacked the strength to reply. I don’t think America accepts your distorted vision of what this country should be.
We didn’t answer because we were too busy pointing and laughing at you behind your back. I mentioned that we should probably put you in the corner and make you wear the dunce hat; but i was vetoed.
the majority of the liberals use your words for comic relief and wanted you to keep “talking” so that they could keep laughing.
it must suck being you….
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
9:37 pm
Jm
She is just tired of being there. She works for a Fortune 50. She opted to stay after 2 yrs and take a pretty huge increase in salary but regrets it, plus the places they have offered her back stateside are not what was available a year ago.
Short term gain, may not be long term fun unless she is willing to take a lower position or look outside the company.
With that said, many people love working abroad and of course some never come back except for vacation. I have a friend in Germany who does just that.
Jm
July 19th, 2012
9:38 pm
Scout
Protecting the statue
Unless they just happen to be anti vandal, in which case there are many things they can go protect I’m sure
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
9:39 pm
Kam
It was “I am a liberal and believe…………………”
He name jacked Jam. Maybe others, but Jam for sure
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
9:40 pm
These numb skulls on here would rather wallow in irrelevant social liberal stuff than understand that this country faces extreme dangers.
See what I mean? ^^^^
getalife
July 19th, 2012
9:41 pm
I am a liberal……… got booted for wanking names.
He thought Jay was on vacation then boom.
Out of here.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
9:41 pm
Sooner or later the statue will go ……………. or be desecrated.
F. Sinkwich
July 19th, 2012
9:41 pm
“McCain got on national t.v. and said, “We have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency”. I knew right then he didn’t want to win, couldn’t win and it’s been downhill ever since.”
I remember that moment too, Nums.
At that point I knew we were doomed for four years.
Johnny is pathetic.
Jm
July 19th, 2012
9:42 pm
Tbs
Golden handcuffs (of a smaller variety)
I’m an ocean loving dude, so Singapore suits me fine
Admittedly I haven’t been there yet, and before accepting a job there I’d want to go check it out in person
But I think I’d be fine there
My wife might veto it, but she’s at least open to it
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
9:42 pm
@Obambarrassment
I am sorry to say that your assertion has not basis in fact.
Again, using anecdotal evidence to support your misguided thesis does not begin to prove any point.
I do believe that financial transactions and banks are governed by the state they are located. Look at the banking problems in NC, GA, DE.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
9:42 pm
josef @ 9:33
exactly
getalife
July 19th, 2012
9:44 pm
jm,
President Obama pulled us out of the w ditch but they are out of ammo to throw at the w collapse.
We lost a decade of strong growth.
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
9:44 pm
@Recon
I really don’t need the help that you are presenting; just trying to clear up what you are trying to help us to understand?
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
9:44 pm
Jm @ 9:42
Right.
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
9:45 pm
0311/8541,
I have always respected McCain for enduring many years in a North Vietnam prison facility but that does not put him above those who suffered the wounds and pain of infantry combat. I don’t view John McCain as a true representative of the Conservative cause.
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
9:45 pm
Jackie,
I’ll give your question to Recon a shot. OK, threats against the US because of a disastrous Obama presidency and threats that would be increased were he to win another 4 years (but he probably won’t at this point):
1. An Islamacized middle east more unfriendly to us than before.
2. Weakend allies in Europe.
3. Inflation
4. Open border with Mexico
5. Bankrupting healthcare and retirement monies, federal, state and national
6. Continuing high unemployment rate
7. A “recovery” that to many would-be working people is really a very long recession.
8. Insurmountable debt for our children and grandchildren to repay.
9. National default on debt–hyperinflation.
10. More occupy wall street type demonstrations with violence in streets.
11. Creeping government regulations unscrupulously and perniciously placed on people of faith (such as Catholic church).
12. The decline of the American middle class.
13. Rise of an entirely dependent class.
14. More legislation that will have to be passed before we know what’s in it.
15. The end of the duty of passing a federal budget.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
9:47 pm
They BOTH suck
Name-jacking is blog suicide and if it’s who I think it is, it definitely shoulda known better.
Jm
July 19th, 2012
9:47 pm
Getalife
Make that 2 decades
The credit cycle is totally tapped out
Won’t be fun
Default or hyperinflation ahead
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
9:47 pm
Kam, some intellectually challenged meat with the dorky name, “I’m a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with…cause we’re smart and they are not.”
Just another juvenile Republican with access to a computer…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
9:48 pm
Obambarrassment :
Libs. don’t like those kinds of posts.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
9:48 pm
Kam
Well according to Jay, that blogger uses more than one name
St Simons - he-ne-ha
July 19th, 2012
9:48 pm
Next Romney spokesperson up: Tara Wall
“Real’ ‘merkans don’t care about Romney’s Afghanistan Policy”
no, really. Bank the coin, barack.
no way he’s the nominee if this keeps up heheh
Jm
July 19th, 2012
9:49 pm
McCain was the original anti pork guy
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
9:49 pm
Recon 0311 2533 :
He has my utmost admiration and respect for his military service and POW time.
As a politician ………… I couldn’t trust him any farther than I could throw him.
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
9:49 pm
Recon,
I don’t think that anyone is above anyone else. Though McCain is certainly worthy of respect his military record isn’t exactly replete with success.
Still, he was a coward when it came to standing up for anything that he and his fellow countrymen believed in; time and again he has seemed to always prefer being popular than right. What I am saying is that he is wishy-washy, if not morally corrupt.
Jm
July 19th, 2012
9:50 pm
McCain was against earmarks before anyone had heard of earmarks
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
9:51 pm
@Obambarrassment
Again, more “talking points” from you.
Let’s take the first item on you list; how do you prove the Middle East is more hostile to the USA?
Any attacks on the USA since 9/11?
Second point; the USA has a defense budget that is greater than that combined of 9 next defense budgets of the world.
I could go on, but, you will only offer more anecdotal rebuttals; much like trying to prove a negative.
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
9:51 pm
Bloggers use more than one name???!!!
I’m shocked!!
For example, Obambarrassment.
Now that is the same name that that blogger has used for ages.
LOL at blogging cowards…
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
9:52 pm
Good to see Jackie back. I’m out…Taps
Jm
July 19th, 2012
9:52 pm
Scout
Yep McCain coulda walked out of being a POW
And didn’t
Not too many guys would do that
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
9:53 pm
Jackie,
The difference is precisely that banking problems in Georgia don’t cause financial collapse and the loss of millions of dollars in state money. Energy problems in California are mothers milk to thieves, and the problems that dumb government programs create are the reelection mantra of politicians–when the blame the problems on the private sector and “greedy” bogeymen.
Anecdotal?
You’re missing both the trees and the forest.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
9:53 pm
odrama,
Stop with the lies.
Thanks.
Jm
July 19th, 2012
9:53 pm
“LOL at blogging cowards…”
Use your real full name then…. “jamvet”
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
9:56 pm
@Obambarrassment
Sorry for the number quoted concerning military spending.
Here is another link to show you what was spent in 2010; we outspent the next 10 countries in the world combined.
http://defense.aol.com/2012/03/16/the-military-imbalance-how-the-u-s-outspends-the-world/
getalife
July 19th, 2012
9:56 pm
McCain is right about billionaires united.
You have not seen scandals yet but they are coming.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
9:56 pm
Brother AmVet, They BOTH suck
I wonder how many other sock-puppets will not be here with the absence of I’ma liberal boy.
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
9:57 pm
As far as you are concerned, that is my name, boy.
I need some depraved pervert like these Republican malcontents and misanthropes coming into my neighborhood like I need Romney as the president.
But excellent job at missing the point.
A talent at which you excel…
josef
July 19th, 2012
9:58 pm
K’Chak
@ 9:56
Be kinda interesting to do a count…
Jm
July 19th, 2012
9:58 pm
McCain feingold
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
9:59 pm
Kam
As the witching hour draws near in November, I think you mentioned that some will have already fallen off the blog……….
They are just warming up. Some are drinking up. Others a little of both
Jm
July 19th, 2012
10:00 pm
Did you guys miss this?
They’re going to end GA 400 tolls
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
10:01 pm
Hey ……………. anyone know anything about that problem with the photo posted on Obama’s campaign facebook website ?
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
10:01 pm
Jm
Saw that. Appears Deal is attempting to throw a bone to the voters.
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
10:01 pm
@Obambarrassment
I think you must have a bad connection.
If I understand you correctly, you are saying all the problems with the banking system is due to government’s onerous regulations?
Can you give a cogent explanation about the conviction of Bernie Madoff and the largest fine in US history of someone dealing with Medicare – Gov Rick Scott (R-FL) – in his theft of MedicCare and was fined more than $92Million>
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
10:02 pm
probably passed OUT
j$
July 19th, 2012
10:02 pm
“They’re going to end GA 400 tolls”
Oh no!
The open check book is going to get a little smaller.
Good riddance.
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
10:04 pm
Repeat, day after day, collecting some $57 million in improper payments in just six months between 2010 and 2011, with more such payments perhaps yet to be discovered. Free money!!!
Jackie,
Improper payments???
Don’t you think if they were illegal, Bookman would have said so? I certainly do.
You have the link. Read the article. Do the words, “cost recovery payment” mean anything to you? Even the Times article didn’t explicitly say anything was illegal.
Find out who pays that and who’s not watching the companies they’re supposed to be watching; it’s the teams of ISO and Cal-state regulators napping at their desks.
Welfare fraud is illegal too, but do you think we’re going to get those government employees napping at their desks to indict themselves by focusing on nothing but the high profile cases–cases besides the woman who won the lottery and was still taking welfare or food stamps?
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
10:05 pm
“The difference is precisely that banking problems in Georgia don’t cause financial collapse and the loss of millions of dollars in state money”
Maybe not state money, but compared to the larger banks the smaller ones have been slow to pay back the FEDERAL money they received to bail them out.
Jm
July 19th, 2012
10:09 pm
Tbs 10:01
Yeah. Probably too litte too late
But interesting
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
10:09 pm
josef
Princess said he had an IP spoofer, and after a googledy search, I found that they do exist and Jay and the IT dept have been fooled before.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
They BOTH suck
The pressure is building, but I think it’s gonna be the major events like the SCOTUS ruling the are the flash points to really unhinge them. If Romney is the nominee, the naming of the running mate could be another one of those flashpoints. Especially if he pulls a McCain and names someone like Snowbilly Snooki.
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
10:11 pm
Jackie (re the banking system),
You have everything backwards.
I’m certainly not saying that banking system problems are all the government’s fault. I’m saying that you can’t overlook the playing field the government lays out for commerce to be carried out under tightly regulated lines of business such as power utilities.
What Jay is saying, and what you seem to be saying is that it is JP Morgan’s fault entirely.
While I agree that JP seems to have been doing something unethical, it appears to me that the State of California, via the ISO wrote JPMorgan a check that the bank was only too happy to cash. Who knows whether it was illegal, whether the mistake was JPMorgans, the government’s or something illegal.
My contention, which I have proved, is that if you pretend that there is nothing wrong with the bureaucrats and politicians in Sacramento, under whose watch these highly regulated shenanigans are taking place, you’re going to keep seeing them, year after year.
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
10:11 pm
@Obambarrassment
I must applaud you on your extensive use of vocabulary; however, all those wonderful words are just hollow monuments to your lack of supporting evidence to your contentions. Tell us how the Cal-state regulators napping at their desks could stop the Enron and Dynergy rape of the state economy?
What welfare fraud are you speaking of. Welfare as we know it has not existed since 1994; are you speaking of corporate welfare?
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
10:13 pm
@Obambarrassment
Conflating now, are we?
It appears you have tried to mix metaphors to prove your points.
Help me to understand what you are trying to prove with your anecdotal shotgun approach?
j$
July 19th, 2012
10:14 pm
Why do liberals always fall back on one’s vocabulary when they have nothing else?
weird
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
10:15 pm
They both suck,
That’s because they were failed banks. The fed creates another problem with these bailouts!
I’ve got to believe that for every problem government creates for its people, there is yet another issue to campaign on, to blame conservatives and the private sector.
The ability of politicians to deflect blame away from themselves on issues that take place on their watch is a high art in the State of California and in the time of Barack Obama.
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
10:15 pm
@Obambarrassment
What regulations are you speaking of?
If you recall, Federal regulations supersede those of the state in our republic, if the are not found to be un-Constitutional.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
10:16 pm
For Recon:
Republicans line up to rip Michele Bachmann
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78741.html
Yep, no one cared at all.
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
10:17 pm
@j$
It appears one has to use vocabulary when you articulate your thoughts.
Don’t you agree this is the best way to understand what is being said so that one can understand the question?
Why do so-called conservatives try to use unfounded rhetoric to present their arguments?
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
10:18 pm
“Why do liberals always fall back on one’s vocabulary when they have nothing else?”
Because incoherence and poor choice of words doesn’t advance the discussion.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
10:18 pm
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
10:15 pm
Spin all you like. Hannity and other talk show host would be proud
Peace
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
10:20 pm
betty
Major T-storms in the area for the next few days. Beware of falling Kansas farmhouses.
Just warnin’.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
10:20 pm
hahahahahah
Ed Rollins, her former presidential campaign manager, said in a post on Fox News’s website that Bachmann has “difficulty with her facts.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78741_Page2.html#ixzz217py3z4c
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
10:20 pm
I’m fairly amazed at the depth of Republican depravity anymore.
When John McCain and John Boehner have to call out their own demented dimwits – Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, Trent Franks of Arizona, Louie Gohmert of Texas, Tom Rooney of Florida and Lynn Westmoreland of you know where – it has truly turned into a neocon carnival…
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
10:21 pm
Former Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, a recently retired Florida Republican, said “Michele means well but she sometimes doesn’t let proven facts get in the way of a possibility of having national television coverage.”
“Michele would be better served by having competent staff to check out these accusations before she goes out there sometimes appearing to be a ‘bomb thrower,’” Brown-Waite wrote on POLITICO.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78741_Page2.html#ixzz217qA7Yr6
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
10:22 pm
So how many more lives have/will be lost due to Obama’s Justice Department ?
Headline: “Fort Hood Report Faults FBI for Missteps, Cites Political Correctness”
“Long-awaited report on the 2009 shooting at Fort Hood that left 13 dead concludes that FBI agents’ prior assessments of the gunman, Maj. Nidal Hasan, were inadequate, also citing political correctness.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/19/fort-hood-report-recommends-many-changes-for-fbi-no-disciplinary-action/
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
10:23 pm
She sound like some on the left going after Romney for his wealth. She is the court jester for sure……. At least outside of his district not many people pay attention to big mouth Hank Johnson.
Bachmann’s fundraising prowess remains impressive, but requests for donations seem dire. One last month was labeled “URGENT note from Michele,” and urged folks to pony up for her reelection effort against a self-funder who she said “will be able to keep pouring in millions of his own money to defeat me.” Her opponent is Jim Graves, a Minnesota businessman.
“My opponent just released his financial numbers and it will blow you away. His net worth is approximately $111 million. Yes, you read that correctly. One hundred and eleven million dollars,” according to a fundraising email June 26.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78741_Page2.html#ixzz217qWPVSy
j$
July 19th, 2012
10:24 pm
“Because incoherence and poor choice of words”
spoken like a true liberal.
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
10:24 pm
LOL Doggone,
Call me crazy, but having the critical thinking skills that would embarrass a high school freshman – with the vocabulary to match – does not make for persuasive, much less compelling arguments!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 19th, 2012
10:24 pm
What about that photo !!
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
10:26 pm
too bad he didn’t stick around for another round
And Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, was described by several sources as incredibly angry when he heard of the incident.
The Republican backlash against Bachmann started with Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) statement on the Senate floor Wednesday, saying she had made “sinister accusations.”
Rep. Jeff Flake, a conservative Arizona lawmaker running for Senate, tweeted “Kudos to @SenJohnMcCain for his statement on Senate floor yesterday defending Clinton aide. Well said.”
Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) added: “Rep. Bachmann’s accusations about Sec. Clinton aide Huma Abedin are out-of-line. This kind of rhetoric has no place in our public discourse.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78741.html#ixzz217rJ9Hhy
j$
July 19th, 2012
10:26 pm
“I’m fairly amazed at the depth of Republican depravity anymore”
That’s great JamVet, you always gots (sic) Obama.
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
10:28 pm
BOTH, this dumbing down of the GOP began with Reagan.
At least per the generally acknowledged highly intelligent Nixon, who said that Ronnie was mentally incompetent.
But compared to these neoclowns?
The guy was pure Mensa material!
j$, I voted against him. And will again this November.
But at least you always gots George!
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
10:28 pm
“spoken like a true liberal”
I see. You appear to PREFER incoherence and poor choice of words. Why am I not surprised? When you have no real point, hide it behind blather.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
10:28 pm
Sounds like Bachman has wealth envy
barking frog
July 19th, 2012
10:29 pm
Jm
July 19th, 2012
9:52 pm
Scout
Yep McCain coulda walked
out of being a POW
And didn’t
Not too many guys would do
that
……..
It is a violation of the UCMJ
for an officer POW to leave
captivity in other than the
order in which they arrive.
He also signed a confession
to war crimes because he
reached the point of all he
could take. He was not
courtmartialed although it
was a UCMJ violation.
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
10:30 pm
I’m out. Have a good night.
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
10:31 pm
When one has a need to bring attention to themselves, often inane statements of this type are made.
Ignorance is a self-inflicted condition.
j$
July 19th, 2012
10:31 pm
Good night, Doggone.
I’m just kinda kidding with you.
You cool.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
10:33 pm
betty betty betty
You weren’t always this unreasonable. Are you coming unhinged too?
Obambarrassment
July 19th, 2012
10:34 pm
Tell us how the Cal-state regulators napping at their desks could stop the Enron and Dynergy rape of the state economy?
OK Jackie,
That question should be on Jay Bookman’s blog, written by the man himself. It’s not. That question should have been asked by the smart folks in Sacramento and solved. They failed to do so. The folks in Sacramento wrote a check to someone who wasn’t producing any power. Is that their fault? They certainly share the blame, and what is quite obvious is that regulators either weren’t doing their job OR that legislators failed to comprehend how people could game the system. Guess what? That failure is patently obvious today! Again, right now with news of this story.
You are beginning to be willingly obtuse, and this will be my last post for the night. I would add that your “hollow monuments” are hollow monuments to cliche.
First, my contention PROVED is that you can’t ignore state problems in bad legislation and bad regulation. You are the one claiming its all the private sector’s fault. You claim, I might add, has no supporting evidence, only an allegation I quoted from Bookman about “improper payments”. My only point was that far more people receive improper payments from government than from any other source. I tried to drive that home by talking about welfare–I guess that didn’t fog your mirror. The basic truth remains, which is that we shouldn’t give government so much money and power because they are very very poor stewards of it. Bureaucrats napping at their desks hardly care about $100 M until it makes the news.
Fine.
Cal State regulators napping at their desks can’t stop Enron. Cal regulators alert and doing their jobs might have.
AGAIN: My assertion is not that the problem is all government’s fault. My assertion is that you can’t trust government anymore than you can trust a company.
What is incredible to me is the blindness to those on the left of the utter and patent failures of government, of regulators and politicians and the dopey gullibility to demand more regulations, more regulators and more laws to augment the ones (napping at their desks) that are obviously and already failing.
Good night to you.
j$
July 19th, 2012
10:36 pm
“But at least you always gots George!”
I have Mittens and either love him or hate him, he will be better than Obama at this time.
Although I must say, I believe the House/Senate races could prove to be just as important if not more…
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
10:36 pm
I bid you all a fond adieu with the late, great, truly great George Carlin…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSTWgBu_HWc&feature=player_embedded
Jackie
July 19th, 2012
10:39 pm
@JamVet
Good evening.
I am doing likewise.
j$
July 19th, 2012
10:41 pm
Kam, 10:20.
betty was banned for nothing.
Probably by you or one of your little gargoyles.
Now step off punk.
BOOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufb6T-av-rU
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
10:41 pm
And Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), the chairman of the Intelligence Committee,
Republican & Intelligence in the same sentence? Isn’t that against the laws of nature?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
10:44 pm
betty was banned for nothing.
Probably by you or one of your little gargoyles.
It occurred when I was taking a Jaycation so you can’t blame me for your red-card, kitten.
j$
July 19th, 2012
10:49 pm
Kam,
How do you know if or when it occurred?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
10:57 pm
It was talked about a couple of days after I came back, and I missed you. I shoulda gone back and waded through to find the details, but I got this 2G problem.
j$
July 19th, 2012
11:01 pm
It doesn’t matter Kamchak.
I still find you amusing and interesting at the same time.
kinda like jim carrey.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
11:02 pm
Moonbat got banned.
What did you say?
j$
July 19th, 2012
11:04 pm
get – the only thing betty did was tell Sooth to stick his head in a toilet.
I mean, dang, everyone’s done that!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
11:05 pm
I find your predilection for metal both oddly familiar and a little disturbing.
j$
July 19th, 2012
11:08 pm
“I find your predilection for metal both oddly familiar and a little disturbing.”
getalife?
getalife
July 19th, 2012
11:09 pm
I have been warned a few times myself .
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
11:09 pm
I’ve never dated getalife.
j$
July 19th, 2012
11:12 pm
Kam, you should.
Everyone else has.
That was lame
getalife
July 19th, 2012
11:15 pm
No that is hilarious.
I have slept around.
Great memories.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
11:18 pm
getalife is a dude, and I’m not that way.
j$
July 19th, 2012
11:19 pm
get, don’t you have a child in every state now after that teacher’s conference in ‘76?
Wow, you must have ALOT of friends on Facebook.
j$
July 19th, 2012
11:22 pm
duly noted Kam.
Thank you,
getalife
July 19th, 2012
11:22 pm
I do.
j$
July 19th, 2012
11:24 pm
get – you make me laugh.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
11:24 pm
My life would make a pretty good movie.
j$
July 19th, 2012
11:28 pm
get, I saw the real life documentary on the guy that made the story “GoodFellaz”
You remind me of that dude.
In a good way.
Fred ™
July 19th, 2012
11:37 pm
j$
July 19th, 2012
10:41 pm
Kam, 10:20.
betty was banned for nothing.
+++++++++++++++++
BS. She was banned for SOMETHING. Tell her to come back. Jay doesn’t usually ban forever unless someone ASKS to be banned forever. Trust me, I know from past experience lol. Have her try a post every now and again. One day it will go through I’ll bet.
Fred ™
July 19th, 2012
11:39 pm
Oh and thanks for the info Jdollarsign. I wondered why I hadn’t seen her in a while. I like Moonbat betty.
j$
July 19th, 2012
11:42 pm
Fred, you are a liberal butt-kisser.
You can get away with murder here.
now bugger off, homeboy.
mb
July 19th, 2012
11:54 pm
Fred, Moonbat Betty likes you.
Fred ™
July 19th, 2012
11:54 pm
j$
July 19th, 2012
11:42 pm
Fred, you are a liberal butt-kisser.
You can get away with murder here.
now bugger off, homeboy.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
What an ass hole. But then you knew that right? So what was your name in the States alt-boy and why are you afraid to post under it?
han1
July 19th, 2012
11:57 pm
Fred, stop.
Quit being the dbag.
Fred ™
July 19th, 2012
11:59 pm
Oh gee, alt-boy has another alt to post under lol. I post that I miss and like Moonbat Betty (my green egg buddy) and I’m a douche bag? Really? LOl You are too much alt-boy.
Oscar
July 20th, 2012
12:06 am
The way I read Jay’s column, I don’t see they did anything illegal. Sounds like they followed the regs in what they did.
But they can also be indicted and tried for intent to defraud and let the jury decide.
The last time the feds tried something along those lines it was against John Edwards and all we got for our (taxpayer’s) money was a hung jury.
I don’t think there is a case for fraud, as long as the bank had the contracts signed to provide the power – that they knew they would probably never have to provide.
They could have gotten stuck with one of their high bids if they for some quirk turned out to be the only bidder. A one in a million chance but it could have happened. Don’t laugh – people buy lottery tickets where the chances are one out of 90 million,
G Mare
July 20th, 2012
12:20 am
Hi, Oscar. Just wanted to say that before I check out for tonight.
marko
July 20th, 2012
5:53 am
If the election were held tomorrow, it’s a coin flip as to who would win. I can’t for the life of me figure out why so many people buy into the arguments that the Mitts of the world are over burdened with taxes and regulations. Reagan deregulated the S&L’s, and didn’t even leave office before the poo poo hit the rapidly rotating blades. How many times do we have to watch this pathetic rerun before we wake up and smell the coffee. Mitt at least has an excuse. God commanded him not to smell the coffee.
In an interview, Ann Romney said, “we’ve given all you people need to know” about her family’s financial records”. Dear Ann, it reads WE the People, not You the People Do as your told. Did you think you were talking to your maids?
Jack
July 20th, 2012
5:58 am
If Bookman was the CEO of JPMorgan and took his grifter idea to the board, he wouldn’t be CEO for very long.
JamVet
July 20th, 2012
7:12 am
When anyone, not least a member of Congress, launches specious and degrading attacks against fellow Americans on the basis of nothing more than fear of who they are and ignorance of what they stand for, it defames the spirit of our nation, and we all grow poorer because of it. ~John McCain regarding the comments of M. Bachmann and others
TiredOfIt
July 20th, 2012
7:23 am
When Ann Romney stated “you people” she wasn’t talking about the 1%. After all it’s “Our turn”.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 20th, 2012
7:31 am
Mornin’.
So, “more guns, less crime” — do I still have that right?
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
7:39 am
So, “more guns, less crime” — do I still have that right?
The problem was not enough guns.Because everyone is proficient enough to fire through a panicking crowd in a dark, smoke-filled theater and take out a guy in a bulletproof vest.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 20th, 2012
7:39 am
If the election were held tomorrow, it’s a coin flip as to who would win.
I think it’s pretty clear that it wouldn’t be a coin flip, that Obama would beat Romney like a yard dog.
But it’s not being held tomorrow; tons of crappy economic news + scores of millions of dollars’ worth of superPAC attack ads could tip the scale between now and Nov., of course.
But let’s get this clear–it’s Obama’s to lose right now.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
July 20th, 2012
7:40 am
Where were you when you heard these words this day in 1969?
“that’s one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind.”
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 20th, 2012
7:42 am
Because everyone is proficient enough to fire through a panicking crowd in a dark, smoke-filled theater and take out a guy in a bulletproof vest.
yeah, I’d thought about that argument and even the die-hardest gun nut really can’t make that one. You aren’t going to get enough of the general gun-carrying public trained (and continually re-trained) in law enforcement scenarios to make that a reasonable probability in any given group of, say, 100-150 people.
so I would humbly suggest that we do what most of the rest of the civilized world does and regulate these armaments more carefully than we do now.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 20th, 2012
7:42 am
HAPPY FRIDAY EVERYBODY!!!
To start the Friday right, here’s a kick-a$$ song that will definitely get Jay in the mood for his vacay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oABEGc8Dus0
Have a safe trip Jay! We’ll try to mind the place while you’re gone
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 20th, 2012
7:45 am
Where were you when you heard these words this day in 1969?
Watching with my family on a black and white telly. A very special night.
I had to look it up, and I do remember correctly, it was fairly late–10:39pm EDT, Sunday. But it was summer, and we didn’t have school the next day, so no worries.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 20th, 2012
7:45 am
“The youngest victim reported was a 6-year-old being treated at Children’s Hospital Colorado, where a total of six victims were taken. Their condition wasn’t known. ”
okay, momentarily setting aside the tragedy of the incident … WTF is wrong with people taking a 6-year-old to a midnight screening of a RATED PG-13 MOVIE!!!
JamVet
July 20th, 2012
7:45 am
But let’s get this clear–it’s Obama’s to lose right now.
No doubt.
Especially given this:
Mr. Romney’s chances of winning the Electoral College rose to 33.3 percent, from 32.1 percent on Tuesday.
The cons need to prepare themselves. A second McCaining is at hand…
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 20th, 2012
7:46 am
Granny G – I was 3, so probably playing with my PlaySkool Little People
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 20th, 2012
7:48 am
Did you think you were talking to your maids?
Now, let’s not get carried away. I think she was talking to the college kid, the baby sitters, the nails ladies, who just don’t understand what’s going on.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 20th, 2012
7:48 am
“The cons need to prepare themselves. A second McCaining is at hand…”
and, kinda like when you make a copy of a copy, you lose resolution … Mitt is McCain 2.0 – which is really just Dole 3.0 … and getting weaker with each version …
JamVet
July 20th, 2012
7:49 am
Watching with my family on a black and white telly. A very special night.
I had to look it up, and I do remember correctly, it was fairly late–10:39pm EDT, Sunday. But it was summer, and we didn’t have school the next day, so no worries.
Ditto, stands!
From the living room floor. Mom, dad and four brothers, meant that I spent more than a little time watching from that vantage point!
What a fabulous memory of a fabulous time…
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 20th, 2012
7:49 am
so probably playing with my PlaySkool Little People
After 10pm? Were you a night owl even then?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 20th, 2012
7:51 am
…or maybe Mom/Pop UnU wanted their kid to be awake so she could SAY she saw it?
(My folks applied a similar principle to a JFK appearance. Sure wish I could say I remember seeing/hearing him speak, but… nope.)
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 20th, 2012
7:51 am
oooo … 10:pm??? nope – my parents were firmly in the “early to bed” school for little ones – I would have been out like a trout for 3 hours by then …
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 20th, 2012
7:52 am
(hell, I’m barely a night owl now … at 10:00, the Wondermutt and I start making our way upstairs…)
Aquagirl
July 20th, 2012
7:53 am
yeah, I’d thought about that argument and even the die-hardest gun nut really can’t make that one.
Oh, watch them.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 20th, 2012
7:56 am
Oh, watch them.
I will, and I will shake my head because I will know they are completely full of it on this issue. I know too much about actual law enforcement training and what is required to be able to make a real difference in a situation last night and it is just not within the ability of Joe Average Self-Deputized Gun-Range Guy to contribute positively.
josef
July 20th, 2012
7:59 am
Where was I? Memphis. Over at my sister’s house, Had been out lying on the slope in the front yard with my friends Johnny and his girlfriend Susan, Benji and his sister Mary, and my boyfriend Joe Boy, enjoying the smoke and the magic night…when it came time, all our parents/adults came out on the street to call us to our individual homes, for the historic moment. Cabinet tv in the den, four generations, in silent awe…in one lifetime, Granny’s, we had come from horse and buggy, to Kitty Hawk and now to the moon…her three year old great-grandchild was watching it from her arms…
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 20th, 2012
8:02 am
One last thing about Apollo 11. It left such an impression of utter competence and professionalism that, just nine months later when Apollo 13 was under way and later news emerged that they “had a problem”?
I never for a moment doubted that NASA was going to fix it and get all the men back home safely.
(That is about all I really remember of Apollo 13, and frankly I was shocked when I saw the movie many years later, and it sunk in just how precarious the whole mission really was.)
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 20th, 2012
8:02 am
TSPLOSTy SHEETZ.
TaxPayer
July 20th, 2012
8:29 am
“I pwomise to be good while you is away, Jay.” – Gropefor Moregrits
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
9:16 am
Doom — “Stinky people sport. I discriminate against stinky people.”
Good. What other kinds?
“Rejected. Pure conjecture and fallacious reasoning.”
Denied. You clearly didn’t take any logic courses in college, because a question is neither conjecture nor reasoning. Doomfail #1.
“God that’s some sorry logic.”
Said the novice to the master of the art. (laughing)
“I’m embarrassed for you Joe. Is that all ya got?”
Too bad you can’t answer the question, Doom. I suspect it’s because it woudl reveal some things about you that you’d rather others not know.
“And speaking of a thick skull I find it difficult to believe that you take a tongue in cheek comment about me not wanting to eat with liberals to heart.”
Speaking of a thick skull, I’m sure you’re aware that tongue-in-cheek comments don’t necessarily come across as such on the web. Of course, if you had said something like ‘oh, that was just a tongue-in-cheek comment’ instead of arguing about it for the last three pages, then you might have some credibility. Sorry! (laughing)
“Been eating with them, dating them, and drinking and carousing with them my whole life.”
Except that you don’t LIKE to. That’s what you said.
“Get a grip dude.”
It’s not my fault if you can’t say what you mean and if you don’t mean what you say. That’s why I said it might be better for you to keep your mouth shut about those sorts of things — if you don’t want people coming to those sorts of conclusions, of course.
” I guess I’m going to have to go back to putting in my keep up tongue in cheek disclaimer statement regarding facetious statements, sarcastic statements, and tongue in cheek statements, Geez.”
Always good advice on the web. I suggest you write it on a sticky note and put that sticky note on your wall, right in front of your face as you’re seated at your computer.
“Sure buddy. Stretching like Gumby again I see and making a leap longer than Carl Lewis’s long jump. Trying to establish racism over a jesting comment about not wanting to eat with you liberals. You cannot possibly be that stupid. You just can’t.”
You can’t possibly be so stupid as to think that after arguing over it for three pages — that your sudden change of heart in re ‘oh, it was just a flippant comment’ is in any way believable or credible. If you do believe that, then you’re clueless and tone-deaf into the bargain.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 20th, 2012
9:20 am
JKL — “Strike 6. Two down and more dodging.”
Sweet pea, I’ve already crossed home plate three times and am headed back for another trip. The longer you refuse to clarify your question, the longer you shall wait.
“Like obama, you got nothing.”
When you actually have a question you’re willing to clarify, let me know, Punkin.
“Are you a Cub fan too? Humor me and say that unlike our president, you could name at least one player (past or present) on your favorite team?”
Why would I humor you? You won’t clarify your question and you want me to “humor” you?
IMO, someone needs to do a urinalysis on you. I think you might be high.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 23rd, 2012
9:42 am
Doom — “Sorry sport but I didn’t get pinned down on anything. Joe mama suggested a racist comment and couldn’t back it up.”
Ah, Doomie, you’re ever the dishonest one, aren’t you?
Nowhere did I accuse you of racism or of making a racist comment. If you think that’s what I said or meant, then perhaps it’s just your guilty conscience working on you (laughing)
“Then he uses some kinda roundabout logic that because I said I don’t eat with liberals that I must have racist tendencies against other groups as well.”
Nope! Didn’t say it, didn’t think it. Must be that guilty conscience of yours again! (giggling)
“Sorry sport but its just plain moronic first of all to have taken that statement seriously.”
That’s funny. I thought it was moronic of you to say that I was calling you a racist when I’ve said nothing of the sort. Maybe you’re just making things up again, Doom.
“And then to compound it and try and use that to say one must be racist against other groups because they refuse to eat with liberals is beyond stupid. Even you aren’t that damn dense.”
Well, of course I’m not. Because I didn’t say that. (laughing)
dbm
July 24th, 2012
11:10 am
To the extent that the point of this thread is that Wall Streeters can do dishonest things, that seems to be true in this case.
To the extent that this is used as an argument for more regulation, that’s illogical. The answer here is to redesign the system so that it can’t be gamed this way, and to be more careful in the future to avoid designing systems that can be gamed. Piling on more regulations is irrelevant and destructive.
This also raises the question of whether we are opening ourselves up to this sort of thing by having government involved in so much.