Have the grifters on Wall Street found yet another mark?
The Los Angeles Times has a damning piece explaining how our good pals at JPMorgan & Chase have allegedly manipulated the electricity market in California and perhaps in the Midwest as well, stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from consumers and businesses and depositing it in the accounts of JPMorgan, pretty much risk free.
The focus of the alleged scam is the California Independent System Operator, which fulfills the state’s energy needs by taking bids from private power marketers to provide electricity to the state.
Here’s how the Times explains it (and don’t worry, it’s not as complicated as it may seem):
“The alleged scheme involves two related wholesale electricity markets maintained by the ISO. There’s the day-ahead market, in which power plant owners place bids to provide power for the California electricity grid in the future; and the real-time market, an auction market through which ISO buys electricity for immediate distribution to homes and businesses.
To give plant owners an incentive to participate in these auctions, ISO guarantees to cover their costs for starting up or running their plants at a minimal level, even if their bids aren’t accepted. This is known as “bid cost recovery.” ISO rules allow bidders to claim payments of up to twice their real costs.
In simplest terms, JPMorgan submitted bids in the day-ahead market that were so low the firm was certain to be accepted onto ISO’s roster of potential electricity suppliers — in fact, they were negative bids, essentially offering to pay ISO to take their electricity…. ISO believes that JPMorgan never intended to make that sale, but the beauty of its low bids was that they made it eligible to collect bid cost recovery payments.
The next step was for JPMorgan to make sure that ISO didn’t actually buy its electricity, presumably because the profit margin from the bid cost recovery claim was greater than from actually selling energy. So in the real-time market, it priced its electricity so high that ISO wouldn’t buy it.
The bottom line, the ISO says, is that JPMorgan’s traders never intended to sell it electricity via these bids. The scheme, it says, seems to have been designed purely to capture a bid cost recovery payment the bank didn’t deserve, at a rate that was inflated anyway.”
In other words, pretend that you’re ready to sell electricity at a low rate; collect a handsome fee for pretending to sell electricity at a low rate; then bid high to ensure that you never have to actually provide that electricity.
Repeat, day after day, collecting some $57 million in improper payments in just six months between 2010 and 2011, with more such payments perhaps yet to be discovered. Free money!!!
But of course, it’s impolite to even notice that Wall Street continues to rip us off in a seemingly endless series of scams. To do so is to be anti-capitalist, even socialist. So forget I said anything, will ya?
– Jay Bookman
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Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:34 pm
“As my wife says, I don’t think I want to give my money to people that hate us or our friends.”
Just another bigoted statement. Its not about hate Joe. Its about the fact that the Cathy’s simply disagree with gay marriage due to their religious beliefs. Trying to construe it as “hate” is a dishonest argument.
“Shrug. What do you want, a cookie?”
No. I already told you. I want one a them delicious chick fil a sandwhiches.
“I’m not telling anyone else what to do, but you certainly seem troubled by what my wife and I plan to do.”
Nope. I think its great that you, your wife, and other liberals are going to vote with your pocket books and not patronize chick fil a. Democracy in action. The only thing I object to is the rather intellectually weak and dishonest point that just because they oppose gay marriage on religious views that they must be bigoted, narrow minded people. That view in and of itself is narrow minded and bigoted. Oh but the irony.
“I doubt it, too. But word gets around.”
And they also will be free to vote with their pocketbooks.
“Maybe you can also find some BBQ places out in the country that don’t cotton to nonwhite folks, too. Perhaps you’d also find *that* to be a “very pleasant” dining experience.”
Can’t think of one single BBQ place out here in the country that doesn’t openly cater to people of all races. And perhaps you could quit suggesting racism as is your modus operandi as well as that of many a liberal on here. You did it with johnnyreb and now you’re doing it again. If you’re going to suggest racism at least have some semblance of concrete evidence before going down that wabbit hole. Playing the race card with no evidence is unbecoming of you- not to mention just plain low down.
Steve - USA "None of the Above"
July 19th, 2012
3:35 pm
JHM – Yeah, I am betting that application from a gay couple for a franchise isn’t getting to far.
larry
July 19th, 2012
3:37 pm
Well, i dont eat chicken but if i did , i would not grace Chick-fil-a’s door.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
3:38 pm
For those wishing to replicate the Chick-fil-A sandwich, you can start here
http://www.recipelion.com/Sandwiches/Copycat-Chick-fil-A-Chicken-Sandwiches/ct/1
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
3:39 pm
Bigotry is the practice of rejecting someone because of their race, religion, skin color, age, sex, income level etc. Rejecting the act of homosexual sex based on religious beliefs or personal beliefs is not in and of itself bigotry. You can disagree with Cathy and decide not buy his fast food sandwich but there is no basis to call him a bigot.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
3:39 pm
Yeah, I am betting that application from a gay couple for a franchise isn’t getting to far.
of course, in too many states, that sort of discrimination is still perfectly legal.
but if memory serves, Mrs. JHM had found the CFAers had a problem with folks of the Hebrew persuasion–am I remembering right, Joe?
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
3:40 pm
Talk to a CFA franchisee. There is a waiting list a mile long, communities all over the US are waiting for one to open nearby. Top of the list for profit per location of all fast food. I understand your reasons, I boycott places myself. But they are doing something right, of course with someone else’s help, not by themselves.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:41 pm
“FWIW, CFA engages in discriminatory hiring practices, but they’re careful about letting others know that”
Can you provide evidence or proof thereof? Because that’s a pretty serious charge you’re making. When I go into chick fil A I see minorities working there and I see minority managers. What I do notice though about them is that they do discriminate against kids with tattoos all over them, nasty hair, earrings on men, nose rings, eyebrow rings, etc. And they do discriminate in favor of clean cut, wholesome looking kids including many very nice looking African American and Hispanic kids.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
3:42 pm
For those wishing to replicate the Chick-fil-A sandwich
Step 6 is all wrong. You have to do a flour coat, then a wet coat, and then another flour coat.
And what’s this “two tablespoons of oil” crap? That ain’t gettin’ ‘er done.
Steve - USA "None of the Above"
July 19th, 2012
3:43 pm
“For those wishing to replicate the Chick-fil-A sandwich, you can start here”
Off-Topic – I always thought part of their unique taste to their Chicken was Peanut Oil. Oh well…I have been wrong before and I will be wrong again.
TaxPayer
July 19th, 2012
3:44 pm
Wild Alaskan salmon is the best. At least I hope it has not been pumped full of antibiotics like chicken is or many farm-raised fish are, etc. It’s getting harder and harder to trust any food source unless you grow it or raise it yourself these days.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
3:44 pm
They do manage a to field a very consistently Up With People/Stepford Wifey sort of staff.
If you like that sort of thing.
Jefferson
July 19th, 2012
3:45 pm
NO business should ever think they can do without customers.
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
3:47 pm
Mr. Cathy…..gives to charities, runs an adoption home, gives young college students flexible schedules to attend school, hires clean, responsible young people. I wish there were a thousand bigots like him.
weetamoe
July 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
The Obamas have about 750 thou invested in JP so let them deal with those naughty boys. Meantime the king of Jordan is concerned that weapons of –well –some destruction–held in Syria could fall into al queda’s hands if the conflict turns, you know, civil; and the most powerful man in the US, the one who has assumed unprecedented powers, in fact, has shouted his opinion that we do not own the fruits of our labor (or products of our intellect) So Wall Street kind of seems like grandma’s front porch in contrast to real world issues.
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
I really don’t care about who marries who…gay marriage, fine by me
so how do you feel about polygamy? should it be a right and legal…I am talking to the pro-gay marriage crowd…just curious
larry
July 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
If anyone else wants to boycott companies who are financing right wing attack ads……
Here’s a list ……..
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/07/19/543801/consumer-brands-conservative-attack-ads/
josef
July 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
I’m amused by those who are just now reacting to Mr. Cathy’s outspoken opinions and stances. This is no news. I haven’t graced the doors of his establishments for decades now. That’s my choice. It’s his business and if he wants to put the imprimature of his business product on a socio-political stance, so be it. I hold him in no higher regard than he does me. So be it
BUT why are y’all not talking about the Boy Scouts and their anti-gay policies. That’s a much, much different institution which does practice discrimination against a class of our society and benefits greatly from the support of such institutions as our public schools where they are not only allowed, but encouraged to recruit.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
3:48 pm
db
CFA actually soaks the chicken in the milk/egg mixture for a good long while before doing the flour coat and cooks them in a pressurized deep fryer in peanut oil (or at least they did when I worked there when I was in my teens.)
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:49 pm
“Are you really and seriously defending atrocities towards gays over the years?”
Please point out to me where I defended atrocities. BTW Pointing out your strawman argument is not the same.
“Do you not know of how many have committed suicide due in part to the way they were treated?”
And I don’t condone picking on or treating anyone in a viscious or mean spirited manner simply because they are gay. As for suicide there are plenty of kids who commit suicide because they were bullied or picked on for all sorts of reasons. So what’s your point?
“I just love how the very in your face CHRISTIAN Mr. Cathy could have this view.”
Its not about hate as you seem to think it is in your narrow minded, bigoted view. The man simply doesn’t believe in gay marriage due to his religious beliefs. Why is that so damn hard for you guys to understand?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
3:49 pm
BUT why are y’all not talking about the Boy Scouts and their anti-gay policies.
we were waiting for an uppity white guy to bring it to our attention. duh.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:49 pm
Doom — “Just another bigoted statement.”
That is the single stupidest statement I have ever seen you make on here, Doom, and that’s saying something.
If you can demonstrate some degree of hatred on my part for Mr. Cathy, then have at it. Otherwise, you’re just full of it, as usual.
“Its not about hate Joe.”
Of course it is.
“Its about the fact that the Cathy’s simply disagree with gay marriage due to their religious beliefs.”
Then why does Mr. Cathy feel the need to mix his religious beliefs up with the conduct of his business? Why can’t he disagree as an individual instead of dragging his business into it? I’m not the only person here who’s said they could overlook his views if he simply hadn’t involved his business.
“Trying to construe it as “hate” is a dishonest argument.”
Trying to say it isn’t is even more dishonest.
“No. I already told you. I want one a them delicious chick fil a sandwhiches.”
And as Kamchak and I already told you, you’re going to have to have five.
“Nope. I think its great that you, your wife, and other liberals are going to vote with your pocket books and not patronize chick fil a. Democracy in action. The only thing I object to is the rather intellectually weak and dishonest point that just because they oppose gay marriage on religious views that they must be bigoted, narrow minded people.”
Which is something I’ve neither said nor thought, Strawman Doom.
“That view in and of itself is narrow minded and bigoted.”
Yes it is, and it’s a good thing I don’t hold it.
“Oh but the irony.”
If you find some in there, let me know. Your notion of irony is predicated on me holding an opinion I don’t actually hold. Maybe you’d be better served by asking me what I think instead of guessing — after all, you’ve got such a poor track record of guessing correctly.
“And they also will be free to vote with their pocketbooks.”
Agreed. I don’t begrudge anyone the right to choose on this point, and I certainly won’t berate anyone for their choice. You, however, seem discomfited by my choice and dishonest as well, speculating inaccurately on the reasons why we’re doing it.
“Can’t think of one single BBQ place out here in the country that doesn’t openly cater to people of all races.”
Try being Hispanic way out in Sticksville and see what happens. I’m sure you’ve got a clue.
“And perhaps you could quit suggesting racism as is your modus operandi”
Sorry, but it’s not. And you know better.
“as well as that of many a liberal on here. You did it with johnnyreb”
JohnnyReb has recently begun expressing racist views and then excusing them under the aegis of ‘well, I’m just not politically correct.’ What he’s said has nothing whatsoever to do with political correctness; it’s just outright racism on his part.
“and now you’re doing it again.”
If you’re going to express pleasure at the notion of excluding entire groups of people from your dinner table, don’t be surprised when it starts to look and smell like racism to others.
“If you’re going to suggest racism at least have some semblance of concrete evidence before going down that wabbit hole.”
If you’re going to give JR a pass for this racism, then maybe you’d have more credibility if you’d actually read what he said before taking up for him.
“Playing the race card with no evidence is unbecoming of you- not to mention just plain low down”
Expressing glee at the possibility of excluding entire groups of people from your dinner table is unbecoming of *you* and is just as low down. If you don’t want to be thought of that way, then maybe you should keep such feelings to yourself.
Kind of like Mr. Cathy should have.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
3:50 pm
CFA actually soaks the chicken in the milk/egg mixture for a good long while before doing the flour coat
oh, that’ll work. I’m too lazy for that.
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
3:51 pm
CF pressure cooks it’s chicken…not so easy at home
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
3:51 pm
so how do you feel about polygamy?
Too many mother-in-laws.
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
3:51 pm
Thulsa Doom says………
And perhaps you could quit suggesting racism as is your modus operandi as well as that of many a liberal on here. You did it with johnnyreb and now you’re doing it again. If you’re going to suggest racism at least have some semblance of concrete evidence before going down that wabbit hole. Playing the race card with no evidence is unbecoming of you- not to mention just plain low down
Thulsa should talk! All he does is bring up race. Why just the other day there was a discussion on this blog about fruit loops — he brought up the fact that the yellow fruit loops were smarter than the green because the yellow just pushed themselves harder to suceede.
josef
July 19th, 2012
3:53 pm
CAT
Bigamy is a completely separate issue from the civil right to same sex marriage. There was a time when Catholics couldn’t marry Protestants and Jews couldn’t marry Christians…society evolved past that. Now it has evolved beyond same sex criteria. Who knows what the future holds. If you mean polygamy and polyandry, there are plenty of societies, many of them Christian by religion, which permit and condone polygamy.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:53 pm
“And when someone dies in the service of this country, there is clearly nothing that they have contributed to the success of this country.”
Nobody is saying that a sailor or soldier dying in warfare hasn’t contributed to the success of this country.
” I mean its not like the Navy protects shipping routes or government protects airports”
And its not as if the Navy isn’t funded by the taxes paid by the private sector and its employees. It was their taxes that built the Navy and private military contractors that build the ships, weapons systems, uniforms, etc. Somehow or another it continues to escape the minds of liberals that the military and these roads, bridges, etc. that Obama spoke of are paid for by the private sector. How it is that you guys can’t understand this rather simple and straightforward point is nothing short of mind boggling.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:54 pm
SfD — “but if memory serves, Mrs. JHM had found the CFAers had a problem with folks of the Hebrew persuasion–am I remembering right, Joe?”
You are correct. She had found a “white elephant” (an extremely difficult requirement to fill), but had actually managed to find someone with *all* the qualifications they wanted for an IT position at their HQ. They actually went to the trouble — and this is very unusual — of doing background checks and the like *before* they had actually met him; that’s how strong his resume was. Normally, hiring authorities want to meet someone before doing those sorts of checks.
Anyway, the guy was Orthodox Jewish, and his warm welcome apparently evaporated the moment the CFA bigwigs got a look at him.
I don’t know about y’all, but I could give a (poop) about the religion of my co-workers. So long as they know their stuff, do their job and don’t cause trouble, we’ll get along fine.
St Simons
July 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
their service on de island is awful on Sundays mon
i sat in de drive-thru for 2 hrs
de tourists thought it was funny i had to wait so long, mon
no really, i don’t unnerstand their marketing.
The ‘demographic’ (codeword) they are panderin to wit de Sunday
closing and gay-hatin, dey don’t go to chick-fil-a annyway, mon
dey at de Ryan’s/Golden coral buffet donchaknow
Jack
July 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
Bookman just raised sanctimony to a new, high level.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
Doom — “Can you provide evidence or proof thereof?”
Not to you, no.
“Because that’s a pretty serious charge you’re making.”
I’m not making a charge. I’m telling you what my wife witnessed. You’re free to believe it or not.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
Ushouldtalk,
Those yellow fruit loops certainly seem to work hard and value education they do.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
3:56 pm
Go to Zaxby.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
3:56 pm
B. Bing — “Mr. Cathy…..gives to charities, runs an adoption home, gives young college students flexible schedules to attend school, hires clean, responsible young people. I wish there were a thousand bigots like him.”
All true, but irrelevant to me.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
3:57 pm
Joe Mama,
I don’t want to discount your wife’s anecdotal evidence but without proof it remains just anecdotal evidence and one person’s opinion.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
4:00 pm
BADA’s come unhinged over this CFA issue.
Whatsamatta, BADA?
Your
oxchicken gettin’ gored?Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:00 pm
Doom — “I don’t want to discount your wife’s anecdotal evidence but without proof it remains just anecdotal evidence and one person’s opinion.”
I recognize that, which is why I clearly said that you’re free to believe it or not.
That said, if you’ve got Jewish friends in the city who work in the IT industry, quiz ‘em about CFA’s reputation. It shouldn’t take you too long to find people who will corroborate what my wife experienced.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 19th, 2012
4:02 pm
without proof it remains just anecdotal evidence and one person’s opinion.
Agreed. And it’s just one incident, albeit a troubling one if the retelling is accurate. One can only hope the hiring manager is doing something else these days.
JohnnyReb has recently begun expressing racist views and then excusing them under the aegis of ‘well, I’m just not politically correct.’
I must sadly agree. He really crossed a line the other day with his comments about Obama’s mixed-race heritage making him (basically) un-American, and then digging an even bigger hole by claiming many mixed-race kids are “scarred for life.”
I’ve really tried to look past his dumb screen name and try to appreciate his occasional insight, but he seems to have really lost it of late.
/drive-by
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
4:02 pm
Somehow or another it continues to escape the minds of liberals that the military and these roads, bridges, etc. that Obama spoke of are paid for by the private sector
Nope they are paid for by taxes paid by individuals and others. Thus you admit that no corporation or individual has built the roads across this country by themselves. No small business did it alone. The taxpayers helped. We all contributed and paid taxes (and the corporation does NOT get credit for taxes paid by employees on their income). How it is that
you guysDoom can’t understand this rather simple and straightforward point is nothing short of mind boggling but typical intentional Doom denseness and diversion. But hey, thanks for inadvertently admitting the president was absolutely right!Woodstock Mike
July 19th, 2012
4:03 pm
It still just amazes me when I see people that have absolutely no clue what it’s like to start a business, to run a business, to be responsible for employees, try and lecture business owners. What a bunch of garbage. I would be ashamed. Don’t Democrats have any pride? Obama is really putting Democrats in a tough place right now. Either you hate successful people and business owners or you aren’t a Democrat anymore.
People lecturing others that truly have no clue what they’re talking about, pathetic…
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
4:03 pm
And its not as if the Navy isn’t funded by the taxes paid by the private sector and its employees. It was their taxes that built the Navy and private military contractors that build the ships, weapons systems, uniforms, etc. Somehow or another it continues to escape the minds of liberals that the military and these roads, bridges, etc. that Obama spoke of are paid for by the private sector. How it is that you guys can’t understand this rather simple and straightforward point is nothing short of mind boggling
The Armed forces are supported by EVERYONE’s TAXES — not just the “private sector”.
Gee you pretend to be so smart, that I almost forgot that you’re just some guy who comes on here every Night and most weekends because you have no friends, no girlfriend, no wife, and even your dog left you.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:03 pm
“They actually went to the trouble — and this is very unusual — of doing background checks and the like *before* they had actually met him; that’s how strong his resume was.”
And because they did something that was a little unusual in your opinion this is proof of racism. Sure buddy.
“Anyway, the guy was Orthodox Jewish, and his warm welcome apparently evaporated the moment the CFA bigwigs got a look at him.”
Sure buddy. And this would be your “opinion” as seen through the eyes of a liberal who specializes in throwing out the race card and has already done so today with ZERO evidence.
Do you have any idea just how idiotic your daily, frequent charges of racism look? You’re just the boy who cried wolf only you cried racism, racism, racism…..
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:04 pm
Looks like keep still thinks the Navy funds itself. No surprise there.
Woodstock Mike
July 19th, 2012
4:04 pm
@Keep up the Good Fight
Based on your dumb logic the business I started myself isn’t really mine because I drive to work on roads built by the government. LOL
That’s pathetic.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
4:05 pm
“‘WE’VE GIVEN ALL PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW’” Aol headline.
Sounds guilty of something.
Lets not elect another nixon.
Lets leave the adults in charge.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:05 pm
Mike — “People lecturing others that truly have no clue what they’re talking about, pathetic…”
Oh, the IRONY.
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:05 pm
“The only thing I object to is the rather intellectually weak and dishonest point that just because they oppose gay marriage on religious views that they must be bigoted, narrow minded people”
Maybe they are quite open and wide-minded people who just happen to fllow a bigoted, narrow-minded religion.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
4:06 pm
I would be ashamed. Don’t Democrats have any pride?
Ah yes, the passive/aggressive card.
That one hasn’t worked on me in years, that you even try it suggests to me that you are susceptible to it.
getalife
July 19th, 2012
4:06 pm
mike,
“the business I started myself isn’t really mine ”
Who said that?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:07 pm
Doom — “‘And because they did something that was a little unusual in your opinion this is proof of racism. Sure buddy.”
Didn’t say or think that. Strike one.
“Sure buddy. And this would be your “opinion” as seen through the eyes of a liberal who specializes in throwing out the race card and has already done so today with ZERO evidence. ”
Didn’t say or think that. Strike two.
“Do you have any idea just how idiotic your daily, frequent charges of racism look?”
Don’t make them *daily,* Champ. Strike three and you’re OUT.
B
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(giggling)
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:07 pm
“The Armed forces are supported by EVERYONE’s TAXES — not just the “private sector”.”
Yep. But most of the population works for the private sector. Or did you not know that???
“Gee you pretend to be so smart, that I almost forgot that you’re just some guy who comes on here every Night and most weekends because you have no friends, no girlfriend, no wife, and even your dog left you.”
I haven’t been on in a few days. Been to busy enjoying another vacation with that non-existent girlfriend, friends, and family. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHA. You can do better than that can’t you?
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
4:08 pm
Mike started a business?! WTF!?! Mike, I don’t think panhandling counts as a legitimate business……..
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
4:08 pm
Headline on CNN……2013 Ford Escapes recalled because of fire risk.
If you had a fire, wouldn’t you want to be in an ESCAPE?
getalife
July 19th, 2012
4:08 pm
” I would be ashamed. Don’t Democrats have any pride?”
cons have no shame gene.
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
4:09 pm
Your girlfriend? You mean that blow up doll?
josef
July 19th, 2012
4:09 pm
ERWIN
Oops. apologies. You did say polygamy…
SPC
July 19th, 2012
4:10 pm
Bar JP Morgan from doing business with California.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:10 pm
“Don’t make them *daily,* Champ. Strike three and you’re OUT.”
Sure you do. You accused johnnyreb of racism a couple of times lately. You started off today with a suggestion to me of racism with the BBQ restaurant comment and now you accused the chickfila corp of racism despite your pathetic assertions above to the contrary.
Now you’re just looking pathetically stupid Joe. But then that is part of your modus operandi also.
carlosgvv
July 19th, 2012
4:10 pm
“the armed forces are supported by everyone’s taxes”
That is true and because the Govt. runs our services, we have a socialist Military. It’s funny how many anti-socialist gobers here look the other way when this is brought up.
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
4:11 pm
What some don’t understand or choose not to understand is that Christian believers or the majority of Christians hold no dislike much less hatred toward homosexuals as people. It’s the celebration of sin in any form that’s offensive. We’re all sinners and no ones sin should be a subject for celebration in our view. That view won’t disappear from our society, so long as Christianity is the majority religious belief within the United States.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:11 pm
Doom — “Sure you do.”
Sorry, Doom, but without proof it remains just anecdotal evidence and one person’s opinion.
(laughing, pointing)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
4:11 pm
Based on your dumb logic the business I started myself isn’t really mine…
No, the point is not that you don’t own the business.
The point is:
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Geez….
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
4:13 pm
josef @3:53
not sure I see the distinction/difference that you do…was it unlawful for a Christian to marry a Jew…or a Catholic a Prod etc?…but polygamy is unlawful….besides you never answered…would you support it?
Kam – completely agree…too many mother-in-laws
getalife
July 19th, 2012
4:13 pm
willard should be winning because of the economy but will still lose.
Your speaker said he does not talk to willard.
Weird.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:14 pm
Recon — “What some don’t understand or choose not to understand is that Christian believers or the majority of Christians hold no dislike much less hatred toward homosexuals as people.”
Then why don’t you leave them alone?
“It’s the celebration of sin in any form that’s offensive.”
You have no right to not be offended.
“We’re all sinners”
I’m not.
“and no ones sin should be a subject for celebration in our view.”
No one’s asking you to participate. So what’s your problem?
“That view won’t disappear from our society, so long as Christianity is the majority religious belief within the United States.”
You can have whatever view you please.
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
4:15 pm
We’re all sinners and no ones sin should be a subject for celebration in our view.
Can’t you guys just close your eyes then?
That view won’t disappear from our society, so long as Christianity is the majority religious belief within the United States.
Thank GOD I’m not a Christian!!!
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:15 pm
Enter your comments here”but polygamy is unlawful….besides you never answered…would you support it?”
I would…provided there were good legal protections for ALL involved, and provided it applied to ALL multiple marriage.
Erwin's cat
July 19th, 2012
4:16 pm
Da Vinci didn’t paint the Mona Lisa. Someone else created the paints, someone wove the fabric. Someone else grew the animals whose hair was used to make the paint brushes. And a carpenter made the easel. And finally of course the government created an army which prevented an invasion and saved Da Vinci from being taken as a slave and worked to death in the fields
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:17 pm
“We’re all sinners and no ones sin should be a subject for celebration in our view”
last time I checked, being married was not a sin
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
4:18 pm
“You can have whatever view you please.”
And we do with no apology.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:20 pm
Thulsa
I don’t speak for anyone else except for me. The Cathy’s give a lot of money to charities and college funds and I can respect that very much. Interviewed Bubba Cathy (one of Truet’s sons) for a marketing project during college, so I know first hand their religious & political views. Never really thought about it one way or the other, until now.
They made a choice to wear those views on their sleeves as a corporation and I have made a choice not purchase their product.
No hard feelings from me. I will not go hungry and certainly the Cathy family will not go broke.
josef
July 19th, 2012
4:20 pm
CAT
I made the mistake of reading bigamy when you had said polygamy and that was my error.
Would I support polygamy…as a personal choice, no. As a cultural thing, out own Western Judeo-Christian social norms are not in favor and that, like same sex marriage, is reflected in our legal system That is another issue.
Now, do I think that polygamous unions contracted in countries under legal systems where it is recognized, yes, I would. It’s sorta like the Israeli approach…polygamy under Israeli civil law is not permitted, but polygamous unions contracted in countries where it is legal are recognized by the state on immigration.
Williebkind
July 19th, 2012
4:21 pm
Recon: Talking about Christainity to atheist is like debating a stop sign. They are scared to say anything about Islam or some other beliefs but they sure can lambast Christ.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:21 pm
Recon — “And we do with no apology.”
And none expected.
Do you really expect people to comport themselves in accordance with your wishes, just because you give them disapproving looks and click your tongues at them?
Who do you think you are? Do you think your faith gives you some sort of authority over others?
BS Aplenty
July 19th, 2012
4:22 pm
My commentary on the forward market for electricity arbitrage trades is that, as long as it’s legal, it will and should happen. Makes the market more efficient as, now, the CA ISO will likely adopt new rules clarifying who can receive a “bid cost recovery payment” (likely only a provider) and that problem will be solved. Same thing SHOULD happen with the Internal Revenue Code and any Welfare statues. Smart people will take advantage of such opportunities and and God bless the smart souls who seize the OPPORTUNITY. You are truly an American.
Look, on this Chic-fil-A thing, you’ve got to understand that the Cathy family wears their religious beliefs on their collective business sleeves. Always have. They’ve pulled out of golf tournament sponsorhsips over it, close their stores on Sunday and will fire you for immoral behavior (so I hear). This latest comment from Dan Cathy is consistent with their beliefs and no big change. If you don’t think they’re serious, try buying a chicken sandwich from ‘em on Sunday.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 19th, 2012
4:23 pm
Based on your dumb logic the business I started myself isn’t really mine because I drive to work on roads built by the government. LOL That’s pathetic.
Who said anything about “ownership”, squirt. You did not build the roads, we all did through payment of taxes. Try to run your business for a week without using infrastructure and services provided by the taxpayers.
You might try calling yourself that childish “pathetic”
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
4:24 pm
Williebkind,
That they do but I guess it must be their misery living in a country with so many Christians.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 19th, 2012
4:26 pm
Look, on this Chic-fil-A thing, you’ve got to understand…
Look, the last time I checked, you didn’t have the authority to tell me what I “got to” do.
And you still don’t have that authority.
Williebkind
July 19th, 2012
4:26 pm
Liberals sure are funny today and it is not Friday!
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:26 pm
Williebkind — “Recon: Talking about Christainity to atheist is like debating a stop sign.”
Check me out, Punkin.
“They are scared to say anything about Islam”
As I told another poster earlier today, you sure don’t know me very well, my dear country mouse.
“or some other beliefs but they sure can lambast Christ.”
All deities quickly and eagerly disrespected. No lines, no waiting. Step right up.
St Simons
July 19th, 2012
4:27 pm
dayum, that was surgery, Joe
i took 15 minutes & got you a great deal on your title insurance
Joe Hussein Mama
July 19th, 2012
4:27 pm
Recon — “That they do but I guess it must be their misery living in a country with so many Christians.”
Almost as miserable as you must be posting on a board with so many Democrats.
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:28 pm
“Try being Hispanic way out in Sticksville and see what happens. I’m sure you’ve got a clue.”
I’ve never seen one turned away at any restaurants in my life Joe. Perhaps you would be better suited putting away your imagined racial boogeyman. Its making you look stupid.
“And perhaps you could quit suggesting racism as is your modus operandi”- Doom
“Sorry, but it’s not. And you know better”.- Joe mama
Nope. From what I’ve seen today and of late you sure seem to love playing the race card. Can’t get enough of it can ya?
“as well as that of many a liberal on here. You did it with johnnyreb”
“JohnnyReb has recently begun expressing racist views and then excusing them under the aegis of ‘well, I’m just not politically correct.’ What he’s said has nothing whatsoever to do with political correctness; it’s just outright racism on his part.”- Joe mama
Nope. That’s just you in all your grand self righteousness and your supposed mind reading ability throwing out your usual race card.
“If you’re going to express pleasure at the notion of excluding entire groups of people from your dinner table, don’t be surprised when it starts to look and smell like racism to others.”
And as has been explained to you numerous times chick fil a does not discriminate. Their owner simply expressed that he does not believe in gay marriage due to his religious beliefs. Period. And here you trot out with your deck of racism cards. Sheesh.
“If you’re going to suggest racism at least have some semblance of concrete evidence before going down that wabbit hole.”- Doom
“If you’re going to give JR a pass for this racism, then maybe you’d have more credibility if you’d actually read what he said before taking up for him.”- Joe Mama
Not referring to JR. I’m referring to your comment to me that maybe I would be more comfortable eating at a BBQ restaurant that to paraphrase doesn’t like serving Hispanics. It was an overt suggestion of racism and it had no place in the conversation. You simply decided to start trotting out your strawman racism card again. There was no reason for that.
“Playing the race card with no evidence is unbecoming of you- not to mention just plain low down”
“Expressing glee at the possibility of excluding entire groups of people from your dinner table is unbecoming of *you* and is just as low down. If you don’t want to be thought of that way, then maybe you should keep such feelings to yourself.”
Please point out to me where I am expressing glee over entire groups of people being excluded from the dinner table? I express no glee in this. I do express glee in laughing about your poutrage. Your ridiculous assertion is erroneous for 2 reasons. Number one any gay person that wants to can walk right into chickfila and order a sandwich. Nothing is stopping them so put away your poutrage.
Number 2 is that my only defense of Mr. Cathy is his right to say what he feels and if he feels that gay marriage is wrong then that’s his damn right to feel that way. You don’t like it that’s just tough. It doesn’t mean that he hates gays or is bigoted as many on here have suggested. You need to get out of your own narrow minded thinking and realize that just because someone doesn’t believe the same things as you doesn’t make them a hateful bigot as many of you liberals have asserted.
And put away the race card Joe. Its old and tiresome. Especially with the frequency with which you use it.
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:28 pm
“or some other beliefs but they sure can lambast Christ.”
Nope. Just those who claim to follow him. I have yet to see any “lambasting” of Christ. Care to quote some?
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:28 pm
Willibkind
Who is the Muslim on this board debating an atheist? Want to make sure we have a valid scenario or are you just babbling about something not occurring?
Are any of the regulars on here followers of Islam?
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:32 pm
“Try to run your govt for a week without using infrastructure and services provided by the taxpayers.”
It only took one word to correct keep up’s typo.
josef
July 19th, 2012
4:33 pm
SFD
we were waiting for an uppity white guy to bring it to our attention. duh.
godless heathen
July 19th, 2012
4:33 pm
WillieB Recon: Talking about Christainity to atheist is like debating a stop sign. They are scared to say anything about Islam or some other beliefs but they sure can lambast Christ.
I suggest your read Sam Harris “The End of Faith” or some of the writings of Christopher Hitchens. They certainly lambast Islam religion every bit as much, if not more than they do Christianity.
JamVet
July 19th, 2012
4:33 pm
VoteVets.org unleashes the power of our membership to raise over $52,000 for Tammy Duckworth’s campaign for the US House in Illinois’ 8th District in response to Rep. Joe Walsh’s attacks on her sacrifice and service:..
You chickenhearted neocons can have your depraved cowards like that slimy deadbeat dad.
Decent veterans across the country are invested in sending them back to the gutter where they belong.
And willie is a Christian???
That is the laugh of the day…
Recon 0311 2533
July 19th, 2012
4:33 pm
“Who do you think you are? Do you think your faith gives you some sort of authority over others?”
I know who I am and never said that Christian faith provides us with authority over others. I merely pointed out why we believe as we do. If you don ‘t like how or what Christians believe that’s your right but it’s not your right to challenge those beliefs.
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:34 pm
Guess all of the followers of Islam are not blogging today.
Maybe they will be on later or tomorrow
BADAss BING
July 19th, 2012
4:34 pm
Heyy… this weekend, I am going to get in my car, which I didn’t build, load my jetski, which I didn’t build, buy some gas, which I didn’t refine ( I had to pump it myself, tho), drive to the lake, which I didn’t impound, take my picnic (from food that I didn’t grow, pick, cook, refine, raise), put on my trunks, that I didn’t sew, baste, cut, and go jetskiing. This country is great, I didn’t do anything, and yet I am going to be rewarded.
carlosgvv
July 19th, 2012
4:35 pm
Recon – 4:11
World class neuro-scientists, psychiatrists and psychologists are in agreement that our sexual preferences are determined by our genetic makeups.
Both the Old and New Testament were written by unknown authors and there’s not a shred of evidence that God so much as inspired even one word in them.
So, why do you completely discount hard science and accept very dubious religious belief?
Thulsa Doom
July 19th, 2012
4:36 pm
“Maybe you can also find some BBQ places out in the country that don’t cotton to nonwhite folks, too. Perhaps you’d also find *that* to be a “very pleasant” dining experience.”
Joe Mama trotting out his
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He do loves his race card he do!
josef
July 19th, 2012
4:37 pm
BOTH
We have had a few of Muslims in for some more or less drive bys. I wish a couple of them had become regulars. They added a much needed perspective.
Oh, yeah, and you’re on-call…
UShouldTalk
July 19th, 2012
4:38 pm
That they do but I guess it must be their misery living in a country with so many Christians.
I have truly only met about a dozen christians since the 90’s. I have however met a bunch of people who claimed to be “Christians” but they run like hell when I try to throw some holy water on ‘em.
Oh, and their heads also turn all the way around on their heads when you mention the word S-E-X. or H-E-A-D…….
getalife
July 19th, 2012
4:39 pm
White flour!
Doggone/GA
July 19th, 2012
4:40 pm
“I didn’t do anything”
“going to get in”
“load my”
“buy some”
“pump it”
“take my”
” put on my”
“go jetskiing”
For someone who “didn’t do anything” – you seem to be planning to DO a lot
They BOTH suck
July 19th, 2012
4:41 pm
JHM
I can say that I have been looked at a little strange up in North GA, not much recently but more so 15 to 20 yrs ago, but have never been denied service or had anything said to my face.
Heck, I was glad to sit at the table and watch a scowl or two from workers and other patron then be served my lunch or dinner.