Romney camp toying with symbolic birtherism
A screengrab from DrudgeReport.com, the conservative id, highlighting accusations from Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio that President Obama's birth certificate is undoubtedly a fake. It is complete with links to World Net Daily, which gleefully reports Arpaio's claim that this information "threatens to weaken national security.”
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John Sununu, a prominent spokesman for the Romney campaign, says that he is sorry for his remark Tuesday morning that “I wish this president would learn how to be an American.”
I do not for a moment believe that Sununu is sorry about that remark. Quite the contrary, he said what he intended to say and what the Romney campaign had instructed him to say.
After all, in a separate appearance Tuesday morning on Fox News, Sununu said much the same thing in slightly different words, claiming that Obama “has no idea how the American system functions. And we shouldn’t be surprised about that, because he spent his early years in Hawaii smoking something, spent another set of years in Indonesia.”
How is that functionally different from the comments for which he apologized?
Later that same day, Romney himself accused Obama of wanting to “change the nature of America,” claiming that “his course is extraordinarily foreign.” If Sununu’s statement had been a mistake and the campaign was truly chagrined by it, there is no way Romney would have publicly reinforced it.
In other words, Obama’s “otherness” was the Romney campaign’s message of the day. Their goal was to not to discuss Obama’s economic policies, but to cast their opponent as “extraordinarily foreign” and unAmerican in the eyes of voters. It is a slightly more subtle form of the lunacy playing out in the Drudge screengrab posted above.
That, in turn, is a sign of danger and weakness within the Romney campaign.
In the last couple of weeks, Romney has come under harsh attack from the Obama campaign, both in speeches and statements by Obama and in campaign ads airing in swing states. He hasn’t responded well. In fact, Romney’s inability to either defend himself or change the subject has brought also harsh condemnation from the GOP right, which is fearful that he is repeating the mistakes of John McCain.
For example, Byron York, in a much-publicized piece headlined “How Did Vaunted Romney Death Star Break Down?“, complains that “the Romney campaign is not displaying the super-aggressive effectiveness it showed in the primaries” against his fellow Republicans. If Romney doesn’t regain “the back-against-the-wall fighting spirit he had in the Florida primary,” York writes, “the Obama campaign will run over him.”
It has become an article of faith on the conservative right that in 2008, McCain lost because he did not play rough and did not fight back. He didn’t raise questions about Obama’s citizenship, about his patriotism, about Obama’s alleged goal of destroying America as we know it, about his ties to terrorists, etc. The conservative right is quite convinced that raising such allegations before the general public is the path to victory, because it matches so closely to what they themselves already believe.
The statements by Sununu and Romney on Tuesday were intended to reassure nervous conservatives that yes, they get it. However, to the degree that the Romney campaign is pushed closer to the lunatic fringe as a means of proving its toughness to its own base, it will lose. Popular as it is among conservatives, it simply is not an argument likely to convince the swing and independent voters who will decide this race. As the backlash to Sununu’s statement suggests, it is likely to do the opposite.
In fact, I suspect the Obama campaign is pushing the Romney folks hard for just that reason, hoping to provoke them to overreact. They know that the GOP base is pushing Romney in that same direction, and they too must have noticed that one of the striking attributes of the Romney campaign has been its inability to deny the right what it demands.
In other words, yesterday’s “slip” may become tomorrow’s campaign theme, and if that happens it will make the Obama campaign very very happy.
– Jay Bookman
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Chas Holman
July 18th, 2012
12:11 pm
It’s all they have..
The once Grand Old Party has been reduced to petulance inspired ‘tit for tat’..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 18th, 2012
12:11 pm
Birthers
OriginalTP
July 18th, 2012
12:14 pm
SSHH! Don’t give them any ideas. One of these times they are going to look around at the hole they have been digging and realize it is a burial pit.
ty webb
July 18th, 2012
12:16 pm
hey look, Jay’s been watching MSNBC.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 18th, 2012
12:16 pm
We have already seen that pandering to the lunatic fringe means that the “elected official” will continue to pander if they take office….. and after seeing the tea party craziness, independents and swing voters know that only the weak pander and flip and flop. Mitt is weak.
Jefferson
July 18th, 2012
12:17 pm
IRS should look into the good sheriff’s returns.
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
12:20 pm
woo-hoo! The Mitt is trying his best to show his “true colors” to the GOP, and birtherism is what they want, so birtherism is what it’ll be — bring it Idjits!
ragnar danneskjold
July 18th, 2012
12:20 pm
If the Obama administration would give the House of Representative the 90% of the “Fast and Furious” documents currently withheld, I would think Obama committed to Americanism – respect for our system of checks and balances, and hopefully proof that Holder and company were not conspiring to break laws for a perverse purpose. As is, Sununu has it right.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
12:20 pm
I doubt it will play the role it did last time, but it will be under the surface and on the fringes even though Romney will distance himself from it; at least I think he will.
It will work as well as last time.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
12:20 pm
T. Webb — “hey look, Jay’s been watching MSNBC.”
If you’d been out from under your rock since last week, you’d realize that MSNBC doesn’t exist any more.
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
12:22 pm
Yep, the Cons are in full headlock with Oxycontin Limbaugh and his “advice” for The Mitt now, just like we knew would happen!
Brosephus™
July 18th, 2012
12:23 pm
I guess we’re about to witness a flameout of epic proportions. When you can only rally the fringe, your campaign is in trouble.
the cat
July 18th, 2012
12:23 pm
I submit the name of Oliver North to run as Romoney’s VP.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists...
July 18th, 2012
12:23 pm
You guys should’ve heard that nutzo Boortz this morning!! He had a field day with this topic!
God help him, I think the man has finally gone insane on an over indulgence of a daily dose of hate.
they’re all suffering from ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome).
“The Death Penalty For PSU Should Only Be The Tip Of The Iceberg”.
ty webb
July 18th, 2012
12:23 pm
“if you’d been out from under your rock since last week, you’d realize that MSNBC doesn’t exist any more.”
you might want to check that…I don’t want to be rude, but you appear to have no idea what you’re talking about…and my rock is fairly comfortable.
East Lake Ira
July 18th, 2012
12:24 pm
This is going to be one of the greatest elections ever if Romney goes down this road.
I really really hope he does.
We’ll see signs from the floor in Tampa that read:
SHOW ME THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE
SOCIALISM = OBAMA
GO HOME KENYAN
etc… That’ll really pull in the Independants.
Please please please!!!
Jay
July 18th, 2012
12:25 pm
Ty, I honestly have no idea what channel MSNBC could be found on. Other than on election nights and other major events, I watch none of the news channels and none of the talking head shows. When they don’t offend me with their stupidity they bore me with their inanity, and I mean that of all of them.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
12:27 pm
E-V.com updated, and Obama gaining ground.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Cons, what was that about the Bain attacks not getting traction?
ty webb
July 18th, 2012
12:27 pm
Jay,
they’ve been selling this “otherness” meme since Obama’s inauguration…so I trust you when you say that you don’t watch them…perhaps y’all just share the same “sources”.
the cat
July 18th, 2012
12:28 pm
MSNBC is now known as NBCNews
SwamiDave
July 18th, 2012
12:28 pm
PrezBO in his own words is the best campaigner for Romney!
The quasi-Marxist droning of how achievers have not earned what they have achieved is unAmerican. It is a political theology by, of, and for losers seeking to take credit from those who accomplish things to those who did not. Quite possibly, if PrezBO had ever accomplished anything of merit under the American economic system (besides exist in one form or another subsisting off / redistributing that which is produced by others), he would have a perspective of how Main Street America works than he does.
It circles to the secondary reality that (regardless of what the liberal shills would have you think) most Americans are more interested in what PrezBO does with taxpayer money than what Romney does with his own.
-SD
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
12:28 pm
And I seem to recall how well the “Obama pals around with terrrrists” meme worked out for the GOP in 2008… as goes birther-gate, too!
Mr. 0bvious
July 18th, 2012
12:30 pm
Barry 0bama has been “WEAKENING U.S. NATIONAL SECURTY” for over 3 years now.
Is this really news?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
12:31 pm
…most Americans are more interested in what PrezBO does with taxpayer money than what Romney does with his own.
The most oft repeated meme in the past week.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
12:31 pm
T. Webb — “you might want to check that…”
Actually, *you’d* better check it, Champ. MSNBC ceased to exist over the weekend.
“I don’t want to be rude, but you appear to have no idea what you’re talking about…”
No, that’s not rude at all. Especially considering *you* have no idea what you’re talking about.
“and my rock is fairly comfortable.”
Flat and warm, huh? Just what you need to bask in the sun?
HDB
July 18th, 2012
12:31 pm
The problem is that Romney can’t push back from its own screwup — not getting on top of his tax returns and Bain!! This should be evident how Romney handles issues: taxes were a problem when Romney faced Kennedy in his Senate run and his gubernatorial run in Massachussetts; Bain has been a problem since Romney signed papers to the SEC while supposedly “retired”. Romnmey has been running for President for EIGHT YEARS…and if John McCain saw 26 YEARS of Romney’s returns and chose Sarah Palin for VEEP…..something’s being HIDDEN…….and Romney has yet to fix that!! If Romney handles his personal issues like this…can you imagine how he’d handle the Presidency????
getalife
July 18th, 2012
12:31 pm
They desperately need a distraction from willard’s tax forms.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
12:32 pm
K’Chak — “The most oft repeated meme in the past week.”
Indeed. And repeated this time by a blog-flogger.
ZoSo
July 18th, 2012
12:32 pm
Jay @ 12:25
So true.
Mr. 0bvious
July 18th, 2012
12:32 pm
When opened with that application, ADOBE software doesn’t have any difficulty in processing 0bama’s long-form birth certificate, released (& created) in 2011, because ADOBE was used to create that document from scratch in the first place.
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
12:32 pm
“In fact, I suspect the Obama campaign is pushing the Romney folks hard for just that reason, hoping to provoke them to overreact. They know that the GOP base is pushing Romney in that same direction, and they too must have noticed that one of the striking attributes of the Romney campaign has been its inability to deny the right what it demands.”
Jay’s entire commentary was rambling and betrays desperation. Obama’s attack campaign hasn’t produced any result just like his presidency. Check the national polls, after all the money over 100 million spent on attack ads, Obama hasn’t moved up one bit in the polls. The Democrats might be fearing Romney’s recent counterattack.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
12:34 pm
As I stated, I expect Romney’s camp to distance themselves, especially if this issue gains much traction. I doubt it will and I really hope it doesn’t.
If does gain much traction and Romney is silent, you know what is coming……………….
“See you at the Iowa State Fair: Still Trying, Romney 2016″
That will be on the back of the t-shirt. On the front will be a picture of him eating a funnel cake.
Bumper sticker:
“Let’s try this one more time. Romney 2016″
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
12:34 pm
“can you imagine how he’d handle the Presidency????”
No I honestly cannot, HDB — too scary to consider! And we don’t need to go down the same ole road as the failed Voodoo Economic policies that have been heaved upon us for the past 30 years!
Forward America!
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
12:35 pm
Joe is singing Tanenbaum Oh Tanenbaum again.
Mr. 0bvious
July 18th, 2012
12:35 pm
By the way, 0bama’s demographic designation of “African-American” on that computer-generated did not become part of the demographic lexicon or appear as an option on any standardized government-approved forms, until at least a decade after The Great Jive-Talker’s alleged date of birth.
Brosephus™
July 18th, 2012
12:35 pm
http://www.dailytech.com/The+Breakup+NBC+Buys+Microsofts+50+Stake+in+MSNBCcom/article25176.htm
As of Sunday night, MSNBC.com became NBCnews.com ending the partnership that has spanned well over a decade. NBC paid Microsoft about $300 million for its 50% share in the website according to sources cited by the New York Times. Sources close to the deal weren’t allowed to speak on the record. The full purchase price is not being disclosed.
Didn’t know that until I googled it. The things I learn from conversations here.
Not to mention the site you get to when you click here http://www.msnbc.com/
playthatfunkymusicwhiteboy
July 18th, 2012
12:35 pm
Overheard in Spalding County… “Better a Kenyan than a Mormon”.
Does Romney have ANYONE on his team from this region of the country? If he did, he would understand that unless he convinces the evangelicals that Obama is truly the anti-christ and “Mormon is no different than Methodist” he’s got little shot getting them to vote at all. Forget this “birther” crap.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 18th, 2012
12:35 pm
oy vey, the desperation card.
How silly.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
12:35 pm
What the hell has Oblama producing a fake birth certificate have to do with Romney? I swear Jay you fruits will resort to anything to cover for this failed President…
Brosephus™
July 18th, 2012
12:35 pm
link is actually http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
the cat
July 18th, 2012
12:35 pm
They both-I would like to place an order for a bumper sticker or 2! Too funny
FrankLeeDarling
July 18th, 2012
12:36 pm
Yeah! Bring back the Birthers those guys are a hoot !
(funny when I was typing the word Birthers my spell chech kept trying to change the word to
Birchers)
Mr. 0bvious
July 18th, 2012
12:37 pm
Careful with That Hot Fire of Truth, Sheriff Joe!
If you aren’t already, you don’t want to wind up on Barry’s “Secret Kill List,” do you?
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
12:37 pm
I encourage all evangelicals to sit this one out in November — better play it safe and not vote for the Mormon-devil!
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
12:37 pm
the cat
Order has been placed
I’m partial to the t shirt.
ATL
July 18th, 2012
12:38 pm
There is something particularly idiotic about smearing a man as “un-American” who is the literal embodiment of the American dream. Oh but nevermind, Conservatives are having a good old freak out realizing Mitt can’t win. The man can’t even explain his own business career. And the tax returns? Oi Vey.
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
12:38 pm
FLDarling @ 12:36 — yep, Birthers and Birchers are one and the same!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 18th, 2012
12:39 pm
If I can just get a photo of Romney standing with Orly and Cheney, I can make millions
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
12:39 pm
“3rd time could be the trick. Romney 2016″
Again, I doubt he will get close to that fire if it grows.
Mr. 0bvious
July 18th, 2012
12:40 pm
J.R. Ewing for President!
Could J.R. REALLY be any worse than either of these clowns?
Maybe with the aid of Viagra, at least he could probably seduce the German Chancellor into giving us whatever we wanted.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
12:40 pm
Tit for tat
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
12:40 pm
Oi Vey, ATL! The Cons are a real laugh-riot these days — their heads explode everytime Our President is speaking from the presidential podium!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
12:40 pm
Romney has enough baggage without adding birtherism to it.
If he keeps this up, they really will throw him under the bus just to nominate someone that has a semblance of a chance.
ty webb
July 18th, 2012
12:40 pm
Joe Mama,
Microsoft dropping out of their relationship with MSNBC, doesn’t mean that MSNBC ceases to exist…MSNBC.com(a different entity than the channel) will temporarily redirect you to NBCnews.com…however, a new MSNBC.com(again, different than the channel) will relaunch later…MSNBC exists now and will continue to exist…again, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
12:41 pm
Mr. O — “When opened with that application, ADOBE software doesn’t have any difficulty in processing 0bama’s long-form birth certificate, released (& created) in 2011, because ADOBE was used to create that document from scratch in the first place.”
Are y’all still spinning this long-debunked bulldada?
It must irritate the living heck out of y’all that Hawaii’s Republican Governor validated and verified Obama’s long-form BC before the election in 2008. The part y’all miss is that by law, Hawaii doesn’t release long-forms to ANYONE except the individual the BC belongs to.
weetamoe
July 18th, 2012
12:41 pm
Only someone like Stephanie Cutter could have come up with the *symbolic birtherism* epithet. However if it is to become a common slur among democrats, it might be instructive to remember who first came up with the implications about Obama’s place of birth and religious belief–and it was not a republican.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
12:42 pm
Brosephus — “link is actually”
No, it’s not. Check the URL window when it resolves and see where it’s pointed.
HDB
July 18th, 2012
12:42 pm
Mr. 0bvious
July 18th, 2012
12:32 pm
Obviously….you don’t read much!!
Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real
Updated 7/28/2009 7:41 PM
In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii’s health director reiterated Monday afternoon that she has personally seen Obama’s birth certificate in the Health Department’s archives:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”
On Oct. 31, Fukino originally tried to put an end to the belief among “birthers” that Obama was born in Kenya and thus was ineligible to run for the office of president.
Despite Fukino’s statements, the issue has continued to resonate from Capitol Hill to the national airwaves.
Last week, CNN’s Lou Dobbs demanded Obama’s original birth certificate. CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein told staffers of Lou Dobbs Tonight that the issue is a “dead” story, Kline told the Los Angeles Times in an interview published Sunday.
In an e-mail, the Times reported, Klein wrote that CNN researchers determined that Obama’s 1961 birth certificate no longer exists because Hawaiian officials had discarded paper documents in 2001 — a claim denied Monday by Hawaiian health officials.
In 2001, Hawaii’s paper documents were reproduced in electronic format, but “any paper data prior to that still exists,” Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said.
Okubo would not say where Obama’s original birth certificate is but said, “We have backups for all of our backups.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_n.htm
getalife
July 18th, 2012
12:43 pm
joey should investigate what willard is hiding.
joey lost the Independent vote.
Thanks joey.
East Lake Ira
July 18th, 2012
12:43 pm
Jeremiah Wright!
Saul Alinsky!!
Tony Rezko!!!
Kenyan!!!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 18th, 2012
12:43 pm
Joe, I don’t think Hawaii even releases long form certificated to the individual named. Obama’s team had to ask Hawaii to make a special exception to get the “long-form.”
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
12:43 pm
“Hello. It is me……… again. Romney 2016″
ty webb
July 18th, 2012
12:44 pm
Brosephus,
don’t know if you were directing that at me, but MSNBC.COM is different than MSNBC the channel. Plus, the new MSNBC.COM will launch in 2013.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 18th, 2012
12:44 pm
Well, we been hoodwinked with that so-called birth certificate! I might of knowed it! We got a Socialist Kenyan Muslim Marxist in the White House that needs to come out of there. If Sheriff Joe says it’s so then it must be so. He knows how to deal with these crooks—put a pair of pink undershorts on them and make them live in tents without air conditioning.
We need to put Obama in with those Atlanta teachers that tried to hoodwink us after we paid them thousands of bucks in bonuses for fake improvement. The nerve of that crook!
Mr. 0bvious
July 18th, 2012
12:44 pm
Why was Barry 0bama trying to assume the Social Security # of a person in Connecticut, anyway?
Issued SS#s have specific numeric formats based on the State of Birth to which they are issued.
Therefore, Barry’s ID theft stood out like a sore thumb.
arnold
July 18th, 2012
12:44 pm
I do think the Democrats have to fear the nut case right somewhat. They are more fanatical and driven than the Democrats. There just may be enough to elect Mitt.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
12:44 pm
T. Webb — “Microsoft dropping out of their relationship with MSNBC, doesn’t mean that MSNBC ceases to exist…”
It already *has* ceased to exist. Give Microsoft’s legal department a call and see what they have to say about it. (laughing)
“MSNBC.com(a different entity than the channel) will temporarily redirect you to NBCnews.com…however, a new MSNBC.com(again, different than the channel) will relaunch later…”
Clearly implying that it doesn’t exist NOW. (laughing)
“MSNBC exists now and will continue to exist…again, you don’t know what you’re talking about.”
Ty, ty, ty, you’ve got to drink more coffee in the morning and get more sleep at night. I can’t be constantly bringing you up to speed on everything.
Jay
July 18th, 2012
12:45 pm
weetamoe, google confirms that I’m the first to use “symbolic birtherism.”
You think I should trademark it?
Brosephus™
July 18th, 2012
12:46 pm
JHM
I did a yahoo search for MSNBC, and the link in their return shows the one I typed. I saw that it was redirected. Just trying to show that MSNBC is now NBC. Hard to be MSNBC when the MS portion bailed out.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 18th, 2012
12:46 pm
I heard a comment recently: while Romney is clearly an experience politician, he has only won 1 election to date….
Fear cons fear!
ty webb
July 18th, 2012
12:46 pm
Joe Mama,
smiley faces don’t excuse your repeatedly displayed ignorance…again, you do not know what you’re talking about.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
12:46 pm
If Romney doesn’t win and he goes right into campaigning mode as he basically did after the last election, someone needs to call the Guinness World Book of Record folks.
There has to be a record for the longest campaign without ever winning the WH.
But we will see. Long way before November.
Mr. 0bvious
July 18th, 2012
12:47 pm
HDB @ 12:42 pm,
You got some MAD Copy-and-Paste SKILLZ, Dawg!
(Too bad that article you pasted is dated 2 years BEFORE last year’s newest forgery was made public.)
Keep it Real, KDB!
getalife
July 18th, 2012
12:47 pm
“Dems Propose Bill Requiring Presidential Candidates To Release Tax Returns” Aol.
Show us your papers willard. Now.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
12:47 pm
KUTGF — “Joe, I don’t think Hawaii even releases long form certificated to the individual named. Obama’s team had to ask Hawaii to make a special exception to get the “long-form.”
They will, but the procedure has gotten more difficult recently. The Hawaii state assembly actually granted the authority to the state department of vital records to refuse requests for records which were, in the department’s judgment, harassing, unwarranted or repetitious. The good people of the state of Hawaii don’t like outsiders coming in and telling them how to run their affairs any more than the good people of the state of Georgia would.
Filter
July 18th, 2012
12:48 pm
I, for one, welcome this line of attack. Insular thinking seems to have become a particular problem with the right. They are constantly surrounded by like minds, watch a lot of Fox News at home and even when they are out and about need only turn on am radio to have every “Marxist” “socialist” “Kenyan” “un-American” “out to destroy America” thought reinforced.
Pretty soon they begin to believe that everyone else thinks as they do and that these very fringe ideas are actually part of the mainstream. After all, everyone they know thinks the same things and the rest of us are just liberal nutjobs. This is how you get to the point where an entire segment of the population is willing to state, with the full force of faith in the Gospel that anyone who would vote for the President is “ignorant”, “unintelligent”, “uninformed”, or “just plain bought off by government handouts”.
They cannot seem to grasp that there is more than one viewpoint on the best direction for this Country and adherence to one over the other, be it right or left, may be a point of disagreement for you but it says nothing about the true base nature of the person holding that allegiance.
Groupthink and an insular nature will continue to separate the right from the mainstream to the point of irrelevance.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
12:48 pm
birther alert
birther alert @ 12:44
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
12:48 pm
Why can’t Oblama just produce a legitimate birth certificate????
Brosephus™
July 18th, 2012
12:48 pm
You think I should trademark it?
Yuuuuuuupppppppp!!!!!!
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ty
I wasn’t directing that at you. Until you and JHM talked about it, I had no idea. I generally avoid MSNBC and FOX when it comes to news reporting as I can’t stand their biases. I prefer actual news journalism instead of opinionating masquerading as journalism.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
12:49 pm
T. Webb — “Joe Mama, smiley faces don’t excuse your repeatedly displayed ignorance…”
Punkin, what you call an “excuse” is me laughing at you. (giggling)
“again, you do not know what you’re talking about.”
What’d the Microsoft legal department tell you, Cowboy? (laughing)
bookman parrot
July 18th, 2012
12:49 pm
Jay,
I knew you would bring this up today.
I’ll reiterate a point before, that you and yours would NOT care if turned out BHO was not legit.
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
12:49 pm
Bring it Cons! You’re arguing with a Con governor of Hawaii, ya know!
Michael
July 18th, 2012
12:50 pm
The GOP wrote the book on dirty politics, but when someone attacks them they whine like stuck pigs. This not so subtle racism can be directly attributed to people like Sarah Palin and the rise of the Tea-Party, too bad the Republicans (and especially Romney) are two cowardly and morally bankrupt to nip it in the bud.
Obama/Biden 2012!
Brosephus™
July 18th, 2012
12:51 pm
Jay
Just googled your term and every response points back to the AJC.
http://tinyurl.com/78xpe38
Seven results so far.
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 18th, 2012
12:51 pm
I demand that Sheriff Joe explain his hair immediately!
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
12:51 pm
Joseph — “Why can’t Oblama just produce a legitimate birth certificate????”
He did.
Why can’t y’all accept that Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle (Republican) verified and validated it before the 2008 election even happened?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
12:52 pm
Jay
Whatever happened to David What’shisname that kept a birther thread of yours open for days?
Brosephus™
July 18th, 2012
12:52 pm
http://regator.com/p/256811556/romney_camp_toying_with_symbolic_birtherism/
barking frog
July 18th, 2012
12:52 pm
Social Security Numbers
show the SS region they are
issued in. Nothing to do
with the SS region where
you are born unless they
coincide.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
12:52 pm
“Romney 2016″
Yes
He will want a second term
weetamoe
July 18th, 2012
12:52 pm
Just looked for a link to Drudge to see what the heck Bookman was talking about . There are a lot of
(in Obamaspeak a whole bunch) links to items he apparently prefers to overlook. Nice bit of misdirection, this venture into the ludicrous— *symbolic birtherism* indeed.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
12:52 pm
IT’S A TRAP!
ty webb
July 18th, 2012
12:53 pm
Joe mama,
okay, my sincere apologies…the smiley faces explain your repeatedly displayed ignorance.
ragnar danneskjold
July 18th, 2012
12:53 pm
Speaking of symbols, today is the 43rd anniversary of the death of Mary Jo Kopechne – symbolic of the death of decency among democrats.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
12:53 pm
ty: hey look, Jay’s been watching MSNBC.
Hey look, ty doesn’t have a counter argument
A dad
July 18th, 2012
12:53 pm
Given the cries for Romney to cough up more tax returns, I think it only fair for Obama to produce his actual live birth certificate (and no, I’m not a birther, I’m just arguing quid pro quo on this issue). I mean, really now, if the POTUS can’t get a copy of his actual paper birth certificate from Hawaii can we really expect this guy to turn the economy around?
TaxPayer
July 18th, 2012
12:53 pm
Republicans are looking for the sympathy vote. “Look who we picked to be our presidential candidate and even worse look at the original lineup that we had to pick from. You should feel sorry for us and vote for Romney.”
Adam
July 18th, 2012
12:54 pm
If the Obama administration would give the House of Representative the 90% of the “Fast and Furious” documents currently withheld, I would think Obama committed to Americanism
I call bullsh*t.
barking frog
July 18th, 2012
12:54 pm
Jm
good comeback.
the cat
July 18th, 2012
12:54 pm
The stupid, still burns.
Jay
July 18th, 2012
12:54 pm
Joseph, as I understand it, Obama had given the legitimate birth certificate to a friend for safekeeping. Unfortunately, that friend was killed in a drone attack on a wedding … somewhere in the Midwest if I recall correctly.
Unfortunately, the birth certificate was destroyed as well. Tragic, really.
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
12:54 pm
Sounds like the Romney campaign is getting desparate and is willing to say anything.
The comment does remind me of a question. Are Mormons really Americans? And what did they teach Romeny’s father or grandfather in Mexico? We need answers.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
12:54 pm
Brosephus: I guess we’re about to witness a flameout of epic proportions. When you can only rally the fringe, your campaign is in trouble.
BINGO
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
12:55 pm
K’Chak — “Whatever happened to David What’shisname that kept a birther thread of yours open for days?”
David Farrar. He’s a retired court clerk up around Floyd County, IIRC. He’s been all over lefty blogs for the last four years, bleating about the BC issue. Few people take him seriously, but he’s got quite a bit of endurance and an amazing capacity for ignoring evidence that runs counter to his personal opinion.
Haven’t seen him here since those threads earlier in the spring.
Aquagirl
July 18th, 2012
12:55 pm
Adobe works, therefore Obama is Kenyan.
How could I have missed such an obvious point before?
ty webb
July 18th, 2012
12:55 pm
silliness in politics? we see it here daily, i.e “birthers”, “truthers”, “bainers”, “taxreturners”, “adam”.
the cat
July 18th, 2012
12:56 pm
Jay!!!! Funniest post ever!!!!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 18th, 2012
12:56 pm
Kam, I was wondering that myself….. The man who claimed that being a “notary” meant some sort of special status and training. I still crack up at that.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
12:56 pm
“symbolic birtherism”
Was that Meg Ryan was doing in “When Harry Met Sally”?
Or was it something else?
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
12:57 pm
“Republicans are looking for the sympathy vote.”
Taxpayer– I agree, it is so sad how they’ve gotten themselves stuck with another pee-ewww Stinky candidate for Prez… it happened 4 years ago, and here they are again!
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
12:57 pm
The question is not whether the original paper birth certificate can be produced. The issue is whether the President was born in the US and if that can be proven.
He was and it has.
getalife
July 18th, 2012
12:57 pm
The gop are turning on willard for hiding his tax forms.
drudgey is trying to change the subject with this birther crap but it will fail.
Our President is destroying willard.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
12:57 pm
T. Webb — “Joe mama, okay, my sincere apologies…”
For your apologies to be sincere, you’d first have to actually be sincere. Work on that and get back to me, K?
“the smiley faces explain your repeatedly displayed ignorance.”
When you think you can demonstrate some level of ignorance on my part, you go right ahead and bring it.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
12:57 pm
Obama’s attack campaign hasn’t produced any result just like his presidency.
From FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver, who predicted the Republican wave of 2010 and Walker’s recall win:
Nov 6 forecast, Obama statistically likely to win 298.9 electoral votes. 68.7% chance of winning the general election.
TaxPayer
July 18th, 2012
12:58 pm
Hey! I was the first to use “Birther But” in its proper context.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
12:58 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
Simply because investigation’s show it was a fake…
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
12:58 pm
Frog – thanks
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
12:59 pm
A dad — “I think it only fair for Obama to produce his actual live birth certificate (and no, I’m not a birther, I’m just arguing quid pro quo on this issue). I mean, really now, if the POTUS can’t get a copy of his actual paper birth certificate from Hawaii”
The state already validated and verified it in 2008. What else do you want?
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
12:59 pm
“Adobe works, therefore Obama is Kenyan.”
bwwwaaa Aqua– I’m glad you helped me understand what they’re getting at with all that “new technology” stuff like Adobe being used to make and send copies of documents!
jconservative
July 18th, 2012
12:59 pm
Romney has a problem. That problem is an incompetent staff. The election is now about Romney’s taxes, offshore bank accounts, and two different stories on when he actually resigned from Bain. Today the election is not about Obama and the lousy economy.
His staff needs to put these stories to rest in July and not wait until September.
This election should be about the economy. But it is not. Now they are dragging out the birth certificate nonsense again.
The election is there for the taking. Real unemployment is off the charts with millions out of work with no sign of a job in the next several years. But the Romney staff is throwing that away on the dumb move not to release tax returns.
If Romney and his people cannot manage a campaign any better than this, I shutter to think how they will manage an actual country.
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
1:00 pm
Even the tax returns that Romeny produced were copies. We demand that the originals be produced for examination.
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 18th, 2012
1:00 pm
Jay
Don’t tell Rush about the drones LOL
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:01 pm
Joseph — “Simply because investigation’s show it was a fake…”
The State of Hawaii says it’s authentic and in order. And per the US Constitution, States are obliged to give Full Faith and Credit to the documents and proceedings of the other States.
Consequent — Hawaii spoke in 2008. Discussion over.
DJ Sniper
July 18th, 2012
1:01 pm
I love the smell of conservative desperation in the morning!!!
Here’s the deal: Obama is not perfect and I don’t agree with every decision that he’s made, but he is a far better choice than Mitt Romney. The mission of the GOP, from day 1, has been to get Obama out of office, and they don’t give a damn if they have to take the entire country with them. They know that the only way they can possibly win is to continue to lie to the American public about everything associated with Obama. I guess it never occured to them that putting forth some decent ideas and candidates who aren’t bats**t crazy might be a better alternative.
And for your birther nutjobs, please get this through your thick skulls: The POTUS is an American citizen and he is black. Get the hell over it.
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
1:02 pm
The state already validated and verified it in 2008. What else do you want?
______
He wants it all to go away and turn out to have been a bad dream. Kind of like the lost year on the Dallas TV show.
curious
July 18th, 2012
1:02 pm
How much time and money has that fool, Arpaio, wasted of Arizona’s and Hawaii’s?
Between Sununu (?) and Arpaio, the Republicans are beginning to look like complete idiots.
If I were the AG of Hawaii, I’d sue him.
Steve
July 18th, 2012
1:02 pm
The tide has turned. I haven’t heard anyone talking about Romney (in the real world outside of these loony forums)…and I’ve only seen ONE Romney bumper sticker so far. One. In a very red state.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
1:03 pm
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/320412_497021213657864_1329238345_n.jpg
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
1:03 pm
Hawaii spoke?
“surf’s up!”?
Steve
July 18th, 2012
1:03 pm
“And for your birther nutjobs, please get this through your thick skulls: The POTUS is an American citizen and he is black. Get the hell over it.”
(snort!)
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:04 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
Not for Sheriff Joe its not…. LOL…
Steve - USA "None of the Above"
July 18th, 2012
1:05 pm
Hey Jay, what did we do to you that you had to write about these Birther’s? Haven’t we suffered enough of that foolishness?
Don’t you have some packing to do?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
1:05 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
Farrar — yeah that’ the guy, something about keeping Obama’s name off the ballot. I seem to recall him saying he would return once the thing was settled.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
1:05 pm
I can’t tell if Joseph is doing his usual attention wh*ring or if he really believes this sh*t.
emo
July 18th, 2012
1:05 pm
A guy named SUNUNU says Obama should “learn to become an American”? That’s rich? Which tribe is he from, the Shi’ites or the Sunnis?
At least Obama’s taking it to him. All Willard can do is whine. If he can’t stand up to his own party, how would he ever stand up to Ahmedinajad or Putin?
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:05 pm
Jay:
It’s unfortunate that dems just can’t bring themselves to realize Obama is a shady individual…
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/19042196/arpaio-zullo-to-give
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
1:06 pm
Steve
I don’t so bumper stickers
Hard to get off
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:06 pm
Where’s that Oblama jobs panel that was going to help create 1000’s of jobs???
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78637.html
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
1:06 pm
Adam
Both
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
1:07 pm
Oscar – Even the tax returns that Romeny produced were copies. We demand that the originals be produced for examination.
you’d have to take that up with the IRS
JHM & Oscar – Couldn’t I say that the IRS has verified and validated Mitt’s returns?…discussion over?
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
1:07 pm
Adam
July 18th, 2012
1:05 pm
_______
No one could believe it. I vote it’s the first option.
Steve
July 18th, 2012
1:07 pm
Jm – I don’t either, however I do remember a boatload of W stickers in 2004. I guess these same people are disillusioned about politics after his failures and now the disappointment of “Romney.”
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
1:08 pm
Erwin’s cat
July 18th, 2012
1:07 pm
___
You could say anything you like. Within Jay’s rules.
East Lake Ira
July 18th, 2012
1:08 pm
“I mean, this is a guy who admitted to cocaine use, had a sweetheart deal with his house in Chicago, and was associated and worked with Rod Blagojevich to get Valerie Jarrett appointed to the Senate,” the adviser said. “The bottom line is there’ll be counterattacks.”
Yes, this is a winning strategy. Well done Mitt. I applaud you.
Jay
July 18th, 2012
1:08 pm
Steve, on the bumper stickers:
That is a very good point. Has ANYBODY out there seen a number of Romney stickers?
emo
July 18th, 2012
1:08 pm
‘Where’s that Obama jobs panel that was going to help create 1000’s of jobs???’
Probably dragging the boat anchor the rethug party has become. Where’s their “laser focus” on jobs?
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
1:09 pm
I’m looking forward to seeing Ole Willard retroactively retire from the GOP on Nov. 7th.
Obama / Biden 2012 — Forward!
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:09 pm
curious — “If I were the AG of Hawaii, I’d sue him.”
Actually, Arpaio’s first attempt to get info was rebuffed. The Hawaii state officials politely declined to cooperate with the investigators and so they went back home to Arizona.
Pass the Cheesy Grits Please
July 18th, 2012
1:09 pm
…and I’ve only seen ONE Romney bumper sticker so far. One. In a very red state.
Same here. You saw the “W The President” stickers everywhere but the Romney stuff is very lacking.
If they have a low voter turnout Obama could win by landslide.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 18th, 2012
1:10 pm
Romney has no plan or new ideas so when his BS is called out lets respond with birther crap.. LAME
curious
July 18th, 2012
1:11 pm
Unless Romney is printing his money, it’s actually ours.
The workers and investors have contributed to Romney’s wealth as plants shut down, loans weren’t repaid, and pension funds evaporated.
emo
July 18th, 2012
1:11 pm
‘That is a very good point. Has ANYBODY out there seen a number of Romney stickers?’
Yeah, I go downtown every day, and the number I’ve seen is TWO.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:11 pm
Mystery surrounds Oblama… From Ayers to Rezco. Wright to Farrakhan. His youth… What did he do in college? Where are his transcripts?? Was his mother a prostitute?? Is Oblama gay? These are real story’s that voters want to know about….
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 18th, 2012
1:11 pm
Deport Arpaio,
barking frog
July 18th, 2012
1:11 pm
Bumper stickers
None for Romney. No VP?
Only old ones for O/B.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
1:11 pm
Zzzzzz
Poutrage of the day from jay
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
1:11 pm
Jay
No, but I am queuing them up for his 3rd try at WH in 2016.
“That’s right, I’m back. Romney 2016″
the cat
July 18th, 2012
1:11 pm
No Romeny stickers but I still see a number of Fair Tax stickers. Poor disillusioned souls, they are usually on the bumper of some beater car.
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
1:11 pm
I don’t believe I have seen any bumper stickers for anyone for the 2012 Pres. election.
Maybe I just don’t get out much.
Or maybe no one is wasting any money in Georgia. All the money is being spent in the battleground states. We’ll be lucky to see a recyled Clintor or Bush sticker with the names marked over.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
1:11 pm
I haven’t seen any Romney stickers at all, but have seen a few Obama stickers. Usually more than one on a single vehicle. All types… well – no Escalades I have seen have them.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:12 pm
Jm — “Hawaii spoke? “surf’s up!”?
“Ey, lucky you live Hawaii, Brah!”
Or, if you’re looking for Obama’s BC, you might be greeted like this:
“Boddah you? Like beef?”
(Got a problem with that? Wanna fight about it?)
PJ
July 18th, 2012
1:12 pm
Mr. 0bvious @12:44 pm
Wrong! At that time Social Security Numbers were issued after an application for one was completed by the person who wanted it; also one had to be 14 years of age or older to be eligible to get that number. I was born in Alaska but because I lived in Maryland when I reached the age of 14 my SSN falls in the Maryland numerical order.
Now SSN’s must be in a person name before the reach their first birthday in order to be able to be claimed on anyone’s taxes as a dependent so unless you move out of your birth state before then you will fall into that areas set of numbers.
Sorry, you can’t retroactively do that. (HEE HEE).
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
1:13 pm
and where’s all the jobs that were created by the “job creators” with their tax cuts in 2002 and 2003? How did that work out for America in 2007???
Jobs, jobs, jobs Baby — and they’re still talkin’ birth certificates!
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 18th, 2012
1:13 pm
More distarction from Cons. Where are the Tax returns Mitt?
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 18th, 2012
1:13 pm
distraction
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
1:13 pm
” I’m back, for re-election. Romney 2016″”
There ya go
barking frog
July 18th, 2012
1:13 pm
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 18th, 2012
1:11 pm
Deport Arpaio,
…….
You got my vote, and send
McCain with him.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:14 pm
Joseph — “Joe Hussein Mama: Not for Sheriff Joe its not…. LOL…”
Sheriff Joe doesn’t have the authority to do anything with elections at a state level. He can complain all he wants, but if he keeps overstepping his bounds, he’s going to be in bigger trouble than he already is.
If I were under Federal investgation like he is, I wouldn’t be jerking around on the President’s BC.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:14 pm
emo:
I’ve yet to see an Oblama bumper sticker either… I did see a welfare mama in Walmart with a tshirt on though…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
1:14 pm
Has ANYBODY out there seen a number of Romney stickers?
Not up here in this swinger, er swing state of N.C.
But Obama’s America the Beautiful ad is in moderate rotation on the local TeeVee stations.
DJ Sniper
July 18th, 2012
1:14 pm
Wow, I’m surprised it took 4 pages before someone invoked the names of Rev. Wright and Tony Rezko.
Dear birthers: Stop living in denial. There is nothing shady about the BC of the POTUS. He is an American citizen. Come back to reality.
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
1:14 pm
What happenned to all the stickers and signs demanding a vote on the Georgia flag. Sonny lied stickers.
Rockerbabe
July 18th, 2012
1:15 pm
DebbieDoRight – The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists… : relief is on the way, ole Neal Boring Boortz is suppose to be retiring in January [his own words last week]; we’ll see. The airway will be a lot sanier with him gone.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes: President Obama doesn’t do anything with taxpayer money that Congress won’t let him do. So if you have a beef with how taxpayer money is being spent, then go grip to the GOP run House of Repr as that is where all of the money bills have to be approved.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 18th, 2012
1:15 pm
GOP , bunch of old white guys with no clue.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
1:15 pm
And the best yet…………………
“Still running down the dream. Romney 2016″
“You would keep running……. if you could. Romney 2016″
These will sell like like crazy as he roams the FFA and 4H booths at the Iowa State Fair and coffee shops of New Hampshire.
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
1:16 pm
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 18th, 2012
1:13 pm
______
The original returns are copied and shredded by the IRS. Like the Hawaii birth records.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 18th, 2012
1:17 pm
Hunstman was the best man, but GOP / Rush blew it. Thanks… OBAMA..2012
Jay
July 18th, 2012
1:17 pm
And Joseph, you knew that she was a “welfare mama ” because …. ?
Really, what gave it away?
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 18th, 2012
1:18 pm
Oscar , nice try Romney is done … Write it down..
DJ Sniper
July 18th, 2012
1:19 pm
Hunstman was the only Repub I could see myself voting for. Since he refused to pander to the crazy train, he didn’t have a shot.
Oscar, stop living in denial.
Jay
July 18th, 2012
1:19 pm
Actually, I take that back. I did see a Romney sticker the other day on a Prius of all things. That’s why I remembered it.
Steve
July 18th, 2012
1:19 pm
In the real world, I’m not seeing enthusiasm for Romney. I do feel that the Dem base is more charged up about Obama with the Health care reform, gays allowed in military, and other things have happened recently. Obama, believe it or not, has had a string of successful accomplishments despite an obstructionist Congress.
I also am seeing more Obama bumper stickers than Romney – 10 to 1.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
1:20 pm
I’ve seen a few Romney stickers, not a ton
I haven’t seen any Obama stickers
FrankLeeDarling
July 18th, 2012
1:20 pm
Jay,honestly no I haven’t seen a Romny sticker anywhere.
Not that I expect to see them here deep in my intown neighborhood
But not even at the stock car races I sometimes go to.
curious
July 18th, 2012
1:20 pm
Joe Arpaio wears pink undies.
Steve
July 18th, 2012
1:20 pm
GOP stands for “Greedy Old Pigs.”
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
1:21 pm
Jay
Did see a Romney sign in VA Highland a few weeks ago.
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 18th, 2012
1:21 pm
Jay
was that Prius yours by the way
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
July 18th, 2012
1:22 pm
Do you retards on the right really think the President of this country could pass the vetting with forged docs. This is way to easy…LMAO
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:22 pm
Jay:
She had 4 kids running around and used a EBT card to pay for all her food..
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
1:22 pm
Prius driver + Romney fan not a contradiction
I’m one
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:23 pm
E. Cat — “JHM & Oscar – Couldn’t I say that the IRS has verified and validated Mitt’s returns?…discussion over?”
Sure, except that the issue is that Romney’s actively *refusing* to release them despite interest from *across* the political spectrum. A *Republican* Governor verified and validated Obama’s BC, and don’t you think she’d have said something if she thought there was a problem with it?
ken
July 18th, 2012
1:23 pm
More people on the dole than found jobs. Dems love it.
Steve
July 18th, 2012
1:24 pm
What’s funny is that if Romney was a conservadem, same viewpoints, but had the D next to his name, he’d be loathed by the same folks in here who now are suddenly falling – lockstep, behind him.
RB from Gwinnett
July 18th, 2012
1:24 pm
Somebody call Jay a waaaambulance!!!
Romney has sununu and others and Obama has you, jay. So what??
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:24 pm
I just don’t understand if Oblama is so great as you left freaks would have us believe why can’t he get 50% in any poll? It’s not even close really…
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:24 pm
Jay — “That is a very good point. Has ANYBODY out there seen a number of Romney stickers?”
Just one. It’s the guy in my neighborhood who runs every one of the STOP signs.
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
1:24 pm
Jay, I saw a Romney sticker a few weeks ago on a Chevy Tahoe parked at the Whole Foods on Briarcliff — I think it’s a very slow love affair for the GOP today… so sad (snort!).
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:25 pm
It’s funny that since Romney has gone on the offensive Jay and his ilk are doing all they can to cover for Oblama…..
barking frog
July 18th, 2012
1:26 pm
Jay
Amazing you saw a Prius.
I would love to buy an
electric vehicle that works.
I thought the Auto works
that Obama and Romney
saved were supposed to
build one with the billions
but i guess not.
Steve
July 18th, 2012
1:26 pm
Joseph – this country has always been evenly split along party lines. Voter motivation is what counts, and you guys don’t have it.
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 18th, 2012
1:26 pm
Joseph
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) cards are also used by people that hold down full time jobs that don’t pay very much.
Also many retired people are using them to stretch their limited incomes. It is far from a welfare program as you should know.
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
1:27 pm
JHM – don’t you think she’d have said something if she thought there was a problem with it?
sure I do….i just don’t see a lot of difference between the *birthers* and the *income taxers*
Aquagirl
July 18th, 2012
1:28 pm
Was his mother a prostitute?? Is Oblama gay? These are real story’s that voters want to know about….
You may spend a lot of time thinking about hawt Mandingo men and their oversized tools of love. The rest of us…not so much.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
1:28 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes: President Obama doesn’t do anything with taxpayer money that Congress won’t let him do. So if you have a beef with how taxpayer money is being spent, then go grip to the GOP run House of Repr as that is where all of the money bills have to be approved.
Huh?
If you’re referring to the first part of my post at 12:31, the fact that it was in italics is a clue that I was quoting someone else.
Just saying..
July 18th, 2012
1:28 pm
It would be good for this country if we had a genuine Republican Party.
If…
FrankLeeDarling
July 18th, 2012
1:29 pm
Man if this Romny on the offensive ha! Bring it!
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
1:29 pm
Oscar, stop living in denial.
-______
I live in DeKalb, not denial. But living in Georgia is living surrounded by denial. Amounts to much the same thing, I suppose.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:29 pm
Do libs realize that after the 2012 elections that our nation could possibly have 35 Republican Governors???
DJ Sniper
July 18th, 2012
1:30 pm
There’s a big difference between “birthers” and “income taxers.” Obama’s BC has been proven and verified, so he is a US citizen. The POTUS has never before been required to show his BC to anybody, and the fact that he is the POTUS is proof enough that he is a US citizen.
On the flipside, presidential candidates have a history of showing their tax returns when running. Romney is refusing to release his, so there’s obviously something shady in there. Also, he released 23 years of returns to McCain when he was trying to run for VP and McCain STILL picked Palin.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
1:30 pm
“What’s funny is that if Romney was a conservadem”
He is
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:31 pm
E. Cat — “sure I do….i just don’t see a lot of difference between the *birthers* and the *income taxers*
I don’t think that anyone questions whether or not Romney paid his taxes. I really don’t think that’s at issue.
The issue I think we’re all dancing around — and the one Romney is likely concerned about — is what is IN those tax returns. If he’s got a couple of years where he paid nothing or close to nothing, that’s REALLY going to hurt him with some segments of the voting public. Obama could nail him as a Wall Street fatcat and you know — Romney wouldn’t have any sort of effective counterattack for that.
I think the Obama campaign glommed onto Romney’s weak point, and Romney knows it. The only thing I can’t figure is why Republicans are joining the call for him to release the returns. I guess it’s *possible* that they think he could weather whatever criticism he gets for them, but then again, they might be looking for a way to knock him off and put someone else up as candidate in his place.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:31 pm
Do you libs realize that in 2014 that Republicans could have up to 65 US Senate members???
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:32 pm
Aquagirl — “You may spend a lot of time thinking about hawt Mandingo men and their oversized tools of love. The rest of us…not so much.”
You missed my post to JohnnyReb yesterday, Ma’am.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:33 pm
2010 was not just an mirage as many of you libs love to say… 2010 woke up millions. 2012 with Oblama’s job on the line will wake up millions more….
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
July 18th, 2012
1:33 pm
What the heck kind of name is Arpaio anyway….
Sure don’t sound Amerkin.
What a goofball.
godless heathen
July 18th, 2012
1:33 pm
You folks might have to go OTP to see a Romney bumper sticker. As someone in NY said after the 2004 election. “How in the hell did Bush get elected? I don’t know anyone that voted for him.”
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
1:34 pm
DJ – Romney is refusing to release his, so there’s obviously something shady in there.
I’ve herad the same said about the Obama’s long form …
so how are birthers different than income taxers?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:34 pm
Joseph — “Do you libs realize that in 2014 that Republicans could have up to 65 US Senate members???”
Only if they prevail in the 2013 elections.
St Simons - guaranteed
July 18th, 2012
1:34 pm
this is why i stand by ‘guaranteed’
they’re base-jumping with 100 days to go, scaring the mushy middle
to death with their crazy. They are in the very pickle i predicted
when they picked Rmoney –
they can’t sell him to da snake-handlers and if they do act crazy
enough for the snake handlers, the middle is gooooone.
Barring a dead girl or a live boy, Four more years. Guaranteed.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:34 pm
Steve:
From the polls I’ve seen I think you may need to rethink. Blacks are certainly not nearly as excited and that’s the dem base…..
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:35 pm
E. Cat — “I’ve herad the same said about the Obama’s long form … so how are birthers different than income taxers?”
Birthers are alleging something illegal. Taxers aren’t.
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
1:35 pm
Steve
July 18th, 2012
1:26 pm
____
It’s not always been evenly split along party lines. Parties get out of line and lose support. They get taken over by different groups and change. It goes back and forth.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 18th, 2012
1:35 pm
Let’s not forget Trump’s birther claims:
Donald Trump has operatives working on an important political mission. He has people in Hawaii probing President Obama’s birth, “and they cannot believe what they’re finding,” The Donald notes ominously
“I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what they’re finding,” Trump told NBC’s “Today” show on Thursday.
So Trump has the scoop but has yet to reveal too him. I am sure Obama has some secret info on Trump.
East Lake Ira
July 18th, 2012
1:35 pm
Joseph do you realize that in the year 2525, if man is still alive, if woman can survive, they may find in the year 3535 ain’t gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lie everything you think, do and say is in the pill you took today
rightwingextreme
July 18th, 2012
1:36 pm
Jay…a serious question if I may. If Obama is saying he’s the most transparent prez, why won’t he release the following:
Transcript(s)
Passport
College Thesis
Any and all records pertaining college admission
And let’s keep in mind that it was the Clinton campaign that first raised the issue of him being legit or not.
If I’m running for the presidency I would be glad to show you any of the above. I certainly had to show my transcripts when I applied for my job!
I think you have to admit it is somewhat suspicious that Obama is not releasing these.
Respectfuflly
barking frog
July 18th, 2012
1:36 pm
Many may vote for Romney
because he is rich and
slightly shady. Remember
jennifer flowers?
curious
July 18th, 2012
1:37 pm
The Republican “offense” is about as effective as the Polish cavalry charging Panzers in WW2. It was seen as an act of stupidity
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
1:37 pm
Taxers aren’t
Yes they are…well at least some are
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
1:37 pm
so how are birthers different than income taxers?
_______
Birthers are beating a dead cat. Place of birth has been proven over and over.
Facts on Romney’s taxes are unknown.
Big difference in wanting to out unknow facts and refusing to accept proven facts.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
1:37 pm
And Joseph, you knew that she was a “welfare mama ” because …. ?
Really, what gave it away?
Must have been the shopping carts filled with prom dresses, or maybe she was wearing one while shopping.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
…but then again, they might be looking for a way to knock him off and put someone else up as candidate in his place.
That’s where I’m placing my money. During most of the primary season, the guy polled no higher than the mid twenties, then all of a sudden it’s like — wham — we’re sooooooo much in love with this guy and have been all along.
GMAFB
GT
July 18th, 2012
1:38 pm
Channel 120 and I am with Jay. I find myself screaming at Anderson Cooper for not being able to read the teleprompter. He is trying to be tough and then butchers the reading so bad I cannot tell what he is saying more less the poor person being interviewed. Brian Williams is about the only one I take to the bank, if he is lying he is so good at it.
Romney and this big money have no improvisation skills. I noticed that in the primaries. If Romney gets off script he is toast. The speech to the NAACP was a prime example. He was going to make that speech with those talking points for the mass public no matter what happened in that audience. He had the press there and he was not going to move an inch off what he was told to say.
Then there are the givens the big money research firms give him, one being the economy. Huge money is put into this attack and if it changes by August they have burned all that research and will have to start from scratch. Obama has been brilliant not responding to a lot of his tautening and letting the Romney campaign spend lots of money on dead end streets. At the right moment Obama responds and the Romney treasure chest has to retool leaking oil on the entire turnaround. Obama doesn’t need a big campaign chest he spend much more wisely than Romney and is much more flexible. Like Kennedy said about Nixon, it is much easier on me telling the truth than it is on Nixon remembering his lies.
DJ Sniper
July 18th, 2012
1:38 pm
Erwin, please stop it. #1. Obama is a freaking US citizen. #2. There has never been a POTUS in this history of this country who has ever been asked to show his BC, but now that the black guy gets elected, it’s an issue. You birthers just cannot accept this fact. You all keep getting smacked down on this issue and yet you still persist.
Once again, the POTUS is an American citizen, and no amount of hand wringing will change that.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:38 pm
Common Damn Sense isn’t Very Common:
Trust me this woman was not retired….
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:39 pm
E. Cat — “Yes they are…well at least some are”
Really? What particular illegalities have been suggested? Seriously, I haven’t heard of any, and I’ve been following this pretty closely.
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
1:39 pm
Erwin, why do you keep beating a dead cat?
Aquagirl
July 18th, 2012
1:40 pm
You missed my post to JohnnyReb yesterday, Ma’am.
Did he unintentionally fly out of the closet too? Must be the heat.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
July 18th, 2012
1:40 pm
rightwingextreme
July 18th, 2012
1:36 pm
“I think you have to admit it is somewhat suspicious that Obama is not releasing these.”
Ah nope.
I think we have to admit you are over the top.
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
1:41 pm
Oscar – and what do think you’ll find in those returns that isn’t legal?
Birthers are beating a dead cat…no they can’t… they haven’t opened the box yet
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
1:41 pm
You folks might have to go OTP to see a Romney bumper sticker.
I’m in a small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns. and I haven’t seen any here.
How much farther OTP do you want me to go?
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
1:41 pm
“Blacks are certainly not nearly as excited and that’s the dem base…..”
bwaaaa– you wish! We got da blacks, da gays, all da single womens, da Latinos. You Cons got da angry old white men and their suppressed womenfolk — too bad for ya, but thanks for sharing!
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
1:42 pm
JHM – the “tax cheat” seems to up a lot
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:42 pm
Aquagirl — “Did he unintentionally fly out of the closet too? Must be the heat.”
He spouted some racist pap again, I called him on it and eventually, this happened:
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/07/17/i-wish-this-president-would-learn-how-to-be-an-american/?cp=8#comment-1015648
Jefferson
July 18th, 2012
1:43 pm
The debates will sink Romney, likeablity is not even close and the President rules.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:43 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes:
Last I checked that’s the way primaries worked. The dems were certainly not completely sold on Oblama. I was a Gingrich man. So using liberal logic I should vote for Oblama since Gingrich didn’t win. Only in the mind of a liberal…..
curious
July 18th, 2012
1:43 pm
rightwingextreme
a serious question if I may.
Does the Degree need to be from an accredited University and what is the minimum acceptable GPA?
Oscar
July 18th, 2012
1:44 pm
Oscar – and what do think you’ll find in those returns that isn’t legal?
______________
I don’t know what’s in the returnes. That’s the point. They are unknows.
Could have falsified the value of some of the stock he put in his IRA. Returns could reveal partnerships with people he had rather the public not know.
Point is, nobody knows what is in the returns.
And, people do know where the President was born.
Steve
July 18th, 2012
1:44 pm
Oscar – we’ve been split along party lines for decades now. It’s all up to the Independents and swing voters.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:44 pm
E. Cat — “JHM – the “tax cheat” seems to up a lot”
Who has expressed that view? Specifically, who has suggested that Romney’s done something criminal with respect to his taxes?
Shep
July 18th, 2012
1:44 pm
So has Mitt released his birth certificate yet? I cannot recall him doing so.
barking frog
July 18th, 2012
1:45 pm
Kam
Santorum as VP would
assure no runaway
convention but it would
probably assure his defeat
which is why Obama wants
him on the ticket. The prez
is good.
Jefferson
July 18th, 2012
1:45 pm
Romney made a killing while others were being killed…
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:45 pm
Let’s get back on point libs… Where’s Oblama’s jobs council?? Where’s Thomas “Loopy” Freidman and Jeffery “Made in China” Inmelt… I just knew these great minds were going to get our economy going again…
carlosgvv
July 18th, 2012
1:47 pm
Some years ago, Republican leaders came to understand that fundamentalist Christians were not only the most likely to vote but, because of their total willingness to believe without any evidence, were most likely to accept Republican attacks on abortion and evolution as being completely sincere. The net effect of this is a Republican voting base composed of crazed religious nuts who are simple enough to actually believe that, somehow, Obama just is not a real American.
Republican ambition and total lack of conscience has resulted in an electorate who truly believe their politicians actually care for them and their crazy beliefs. They are just too gullible to realize they are nothing more than tools for those who lust for political power and have sold themselves to Big Business which has an unlimited desire for profit.
Matti's favorite mascot t-shirt
July 18th, 2012
1:47 pm
Birf’ers. Birf’tards. Birf’aroni.
If STUPID were wealth, the United States would have more wealth per capita than Qatar.
Jefferson
July 18th, 2012
1:47 pm
American Presidents ALWAYS bank on and IN America. The phony want-to-bes hide and help foreign banks.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
1:47 pm
Where’s Oblama’s jobs council??
I was wondering when the next thing would come up. It was too much to hope that asking for college records would be the end of the endless stream of DEMANDED information….
barking frog
July 18th, 2012
1:47 pm
Where’s Thomas
“Loopy” Freidman and Jeffery
“Made in China” Inmelt…
…….
They are out hustling for
Romney…
Oblama
July 18th, 2012
1:48 pm
I have three Obama bobble head dolls on my dash…….. talk about flip flopping.
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
1:48 pm
Point is, nobody knows what is in the returns.
The IRS does…much in the same way the Gov of Hawaii has the the only one to see the BC
Don’t you trust the IRS? (LOL.. what a loaded question)..
BTW, I’m no birther, I just find the similarities between birthers and taxers amusing…even more amusing is that taxers don’t see any similarities at all
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:49 pm
Jefferson:
The debates will sink Romney, likeablity is not even close and the President rules.
Thats what libs are cringing about. Think about it. McCain held his own with Oblama. He’s certainly no charmer. Romney will look Presidential and certainly act like one. And by the way Oblama won’t have a teleprompter….
godless heathen
July 18th, 2012
1:49 pm
I’m in a small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns. and I haven’t seen any here.
Kam, They probably don’t even know there is an election coming up. If only I could be that lucky.
Jefferson
July 18th, 2012
1:49 pm
I like it BETTER when he don’t show his tax returns, much more drama.
Jefferson
July 18th, 2012
1:50 pm
Romney don’t look presidential in Mom jeans.
mm
July 18th, 2012
1:50 pm
The latest diversion from the cons. They’ll do anything to change the subject from Bain and tax returns.
The rightwing fringe has pushed Romney so far to the right he cannot recover.
curious
July 18th, 2012
1:50 pm
Ebeneezer Scoorge didn’t commit illegal acts; it was just the way he acted toward the working guy and how he used his good fortune.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:50 pm
barking frog:
Did you just wake from a long nap in your mama’s basement???
Aquagirl
July 18th, 2012
1:51 pm
Let’s get back on point libs… Where’s Oblama’s jobs council??
Wait, we haven’t heard one thing about white wimmen love slaves or teh dark, sweaty gayz. Did you re-order your priority list?
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:51 pm
Adam:
There’s a huge difference in people and documents. Loopy don’t even do Sunday shows anymore…..
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
1:51 pm
Adam – be the end of the endless stream of DEMANDED information….
both sides play that game…Mitt releases last years..”WE WANT MORE”…I’ll give ya this years..”WE WANT MORE”…I’ll give ya the last 10 yrs…”YOU GAVE McCAIN 23 yrs WE WANT MORE”…
TaxPayer
July 18th, 2012
1:51 pm
Actually, I take that back. I did see a Romney sticker the other day on a Prius of all things. That’s why I remembered it.
That was to remind us that we would not have such high quality low pollution vehicles today were it not for Romney’s efforts to outsource that work to places like Japan, right.
barking frog
July 18th, 2012
1:52 pm
Joseph
No I was killing Joseph bugs.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:52 pm
E. Cat — “The IRS does…much in the same way the Gov of Hawaii has the the only one to see the BC”
She’s (the HI Gov was Linda Lingle in 2008, it’s Neil Abercrombie now) not the only one to see it. She simply got involved in order to give the process a little more weight and authority.
“Don’t you trust the IRS? (LOL.. what a loaded question).”
I think that’s more a question for the people on the GOP side, don’t you?
“BTW, I’m no birther, I just find the similarities between birthers and taxers amusing…even more amusing is that taxers don’t see any similarities at all”
I don’t see taxers asserting criminal wrongdoing on Romney’s part (I’m not saying that it hasn’t happened, just that I haven’t seen it myself) and they’re not threatening legal action like the birthers have. I can *kinda* see your point, but only through some fog and haze.
East Lake Ira
July 18th, 2012
1:53 pm
Erwin’s Cat – when did Romney offer 10 more years?
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:53 pm
Oblama lowered the tides and brightened the landscape yet he still can’t garner close to 50% of the vote…
Adam
July 18th, 2012
1:53 pm
Erwin’s Cat: I personally could care less whether he releases them or not. His response indicates only one thing: He has determined that there is less political risk in NOT releasing them than there is in releasing them. I don’t really care why, personally.
I just think that it’s a responsible thing to do and standard procedure for candidates, and that in his particular case if he is making the case that people at the top just NEEEEEED another tax cut, like he’s proposing, I suspect his tax returns would show pretty clearly that people at the top need no further help at all.
By the way Obama should release his college records… AFTER Romney releases his short form, long form, ten years of tax returns, and his OWN college records. Just to be fair.
Steve
July 18th, 2012
1:53 pm
From ABC News/Wa Post Poll:
One in four self-identified Republicans has an unfavorable view of how Mitt Romney is running his campaign, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. The poll represents the latest evidence of unease within some segments of the GOP about how the former Massachusetts governor is progressing in the 2012 race.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/some-republicans-still-not-sold-on-mitt-romneys-campaign/2012/07/17/gJQAiyCMsW_blog.html
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
1:53 pm
The Jobs counsel hasn’t met in 6mos as of yesterday..Imlett’s been to bust moving jobs and HQ to China
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
1:53 pm
godless
At least we are not in a swing state. Just think if we lived in FL, OH, WI, CO, NM, NV or IA.
They are probably getting hammered 24/7 plus a little more
PJ
July 18th, 2012
1:54 pm
“From the polls I’ve seen I think you may need to rethink. Blacks are certainly not nearly as excited and that’s the dem base…..”
If cons keep calling him names and talking about his Mama…well you ain’t seen excited yet.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
1:54 pm
Let’s make a deal. When Oblama give’s Issa all the docs he wants Romney will give you libs all the tax returns… Fair…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
1:54 pm
I was a Gingrich man.
There’s your sign.
So using liberal logic I should vote for Oblama since Gingrich didn’t win.
I’m speaking of the primaries, not the general election, sport. Don’t try to move the goalposts if they’re too heavy to lift.
Let’s get back on point libs…
The point of this thread is about symbolic birtherism not whatever your daily foam-at-the-mouth ranting wants it to be,
Josephmike.Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
1:55 pm
East Lake…would you be satisfied with 10 yrs?
Adam
July 18th, 2012
1:55 pm
Good video on what policies are being fought over in this election cycle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2m0uAYNnwY
mm
July 18th, 2012
1:55 pm
“BTW, I’m no birther, I just find the similarities between birthers and taxers amusing…even more amusing is that taxers don’t see any similarities at all”
Pure idiocy.
There is a vast precedent for releasing tax returns.
Please name just one other candidate that has released their birth certificate.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
1:56 pm
“will give you libs all the tax returns…”
You is “we”. You are not even on the local PTA President’s radar, nonetheless Romney for President’s radar.
“We”
hahahahahahahahaa
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
1:56 pm
I can’t recall if I posted this in this thread or not, but electoral-vote.com has updated their results.
FL is now barely in Romney’s column (it had been a tossup) and Obama has picked up seven EVs (I think) from the last results. Still a comfortable lead for the President.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
1:56 pm
Mitt the Wise with words:
““his course is extraordinarily foreign.”
“Corporations are people, my friend!”
“Let Detroit Go Bankrupt!”
“I stand by what I said, whatever it was…”
Lookin’ real bleak for the Cons in November!
the cat
July 18th, 2012
1:56 pm
Report states that the part about Swiss accounts is missing from the 2010 tax form that was released. Does Romney’s campaign really not think anyone would notice?
Steve
July 18th, 2012
1:57 pm
I’m telling you folks, the next tactic from the Obama campaign will be to expose Mittens’ lame 4 years as governor. It truly is all over for Magic Underpants.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
1:57 pm
mm: Please name just one other candidate that has released their birth certificate.
John McCain, Mitt Romney, etc etc
Now if you mean the long form, only Obama has done that. But then, he’s the only one to ever have had that DEMANDED of him.
East Lake Ira
July 18th, 2012
1:57 pm
Erwin’s Cat, 12 years seems to be the standard so 10 in addition to what he’s already released sounds fair to me.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
1:58 pm
“Who is ‘we’”
Excuse me
You crack me up.
Filter
July 18th, 2012
1:59 pm
Only in America and only on a blog can someone like Joseph refer to a three time Pulitzer winner and the author of “The World is Flat” as Loopy.
If I knew how to do that face palm thingy I’d do it now.
getalife
July 18th, 2012
1:59 pm
The gop can’t set a new low because they trashed the bar.
They should apologize and show our President respect in his second term.
Act like Americans.
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 18th, 2012
1:59 pm
Joseph – “McCain held his own with Oblama.”
Yes, and he still lost to him. Of course, that was before Romney lost to McCain.
mm
July 18th, 2012
2:00 pm
“Let’s make a deal. When Oblama give’s Issa all the docs he wants Romney will give you libs all the tax returns… Fair…”
More idiocy.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
2:00 pm
Kam – Highlands?
mm
July 18th, 2012
2:02 pm
“the next tactic from the Obama campaign will be to expose Mittens’ lame 4 years as governor”
They’ve been running that ad here in FL for weeks.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
2:02 pm
Bloomberg troll
No.
rightwingextreme
July 18th, 2012
2:02 pm
curious
July 18th, 2012
1:43 pm
Does the Degree need to be from an accredited University and what is the minimum acceptable GPA?
Curious,
I would hope the degree is from an accredited school! As to the minimum GPA, I’d let that be decided at the polls.
My point is that I believe all candidates should release this information. We are voting for the most important elected office in the country. We have a right to know as much about a candidate as possible.
I believe we should have independently verfifiable proof that ANY candidate meets the constitutional qualifications of the office.
Romney on when he WILL release
July 18th, 2012
2:04 pm
his tax returns….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM8YUi4LN0E
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
2:06 pm
Kam 2:02 whew
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
2:07 pm
You are not even on the local PTA President’s radar, nonetheless Romney for President’s radar.
IIRC, he said that he was on the board of a local private school, so I guess that means he is privy to all kinds of national intel.
curious
July 18th, 2012
2:07 pm
Another reason to scrap Obamacare.
USA Today reports the CDC says the South has the greatest number of people living with AIDS in the nation.
Don’t worry, our healthcare system that got us to this point is working just fine.
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
2:08 pm
I still think Mitt is “punking” you guys on this…he’ll release more when the time is right and there will be no smoking gun…the worst will be that he gave almost as much money to the LDS church as he paid in taxes….not that the left won’t latch onto that
Carlos
July 18th, 2012
2:10 pm
Think of the planning required to plant a newspaper birth announcement over 50 years ago in a Hawaiian newspaper so that when a half black, half white baby with a foreign sounding name went to run for president, he’d qualify. Wow. The birthers must think the Democrats are the smartest people in the world!
curious
July 18th, 2012
2:10 pm
I believe we should have independently verfifiable proof that ANY candidate meets the constitutional qualifications of the office.
You mean Harry Truman wasn’t constitutionaly qualified?
Jay
July 18th, 2012
2:10 pm
Actually, most polling reported that Obama won two of the three debates rather handily, and may have won the third as well.
Now, after four years of practice and the confidence that comes with being president, I’d think he’d be even more formidable. But we shall of course see.
godless heathen
July 18th, 2012
2:10 pm
““his course is extraordinarily foreign.”
“Corporations are people, my friend!”
“Let Detroit Go Bankrupt!”
“I stand by what I said, whatever it was…”
Lookin’ real bleak for the Cons in November
Context there, Goldie, context.
Kinda early to be declaring victory, isn’t it?
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:13 pm
Kam
My bad. Didn’t know he was so high up.
Appears he was making attempts at brokering and facilitating deals for the Romney camp
getalife
July 18th, 2012
2:14 pm
I told you willard was not ready and our President is dominating him.
“John McCain: Bachmann Claim Has ‘No Logic, No Basis And No Merit’” Aol
Mavericky.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:14 pm
EC
I think you are right. Probably a few years with some fairly low tax rates, however I doubt there is anything illegal.
Jefferson
July 18th, 2012
2:14 pm
Reckon’ Romney will be throwing out $10k bets ?
carlosgvv
July 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
curious – 2:07
Are you saying just keep the status quo and let them all die?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
July 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
Not only is the Romney camp toying with birtherism…..
According to TPM
“Unamed aides to Romney told both Buzzfeed and NBC that they plan to step up their game, possibly including attacks on Obama’s biography that have up to this point been solely the domain of right-wing media.”
That went so well last time….
Adam
July 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
I still think Mitt is “punking” you guys on this…he’ll release more when the time is right and there will be no smoking gun
Except that every day Romney isn’t talking about the economy and getting the media to follow that narrative is a losing day for the Romney campaign.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
E. Cat — “I still think Mitt is “punking” you guys on this…”
Really? Would you go so far as to say this was maybe even planned?
“he’ll release more when the time is right”
I do think he’s looking for the least damaging way to do just that, yes.
“and there will be no smoking gun…”
If he paid little to nothing some years, there’s your smoking gun.
“the worst will be that he gave almost as much money to the LDS church as he paid in taxes….”
Given what he has already released and how the LDS handles tithing, I’m sure you will be shown to be correct in this regard.
“not that the left won’t latch onto that”
You can count on it.
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
2:20 pm
oh and Godless, I forgot to add these Mitt words: “Massachusetts individual mandate” — bwaaaa!
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:22 pm
Jay:
Practice… Are you kidding Jay. he reads from a teleprompter.. When he didn’t he made the gaffe about how the gubmint creates all you idea’s…
curious
July 18th, 2012
2:24 pm
carlosgvv
Are you saying just keep the status quo and let them all die?
No. That’s what the Republicans are saying.
the cat
July 18th, 2012
2:24 pm
Joseph-end of quote. I would not be making jokes about teleprompter gaffes ifn i were you.
St Simons
July 18th, 2012
2:24 pm
Mitt, they’re just not that into you. wah
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:24 pm
The gaffe’s that keep on giving… Yes Solyndra was a success. For the Romney campaign anyway…
http://freebeacon.com/the-solyndra-success/
the cat
July 18th, 2012
2:25 pm
I predict the honorable Ann Romney is suddenly coming down with some dreadful Hollywood type “disease” causing Mittens to remove himself from the nomination in order to spend time with his family in their time of need. The one way to save face at this point in time.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:26 pm
Someone say something about teleprompters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubsRRAADTg
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:27 pm
Jay:
He is being weaned off the teleprompter though Jay…. LOL…
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/238279-president-switches-off-his-teleprompter
rightwingextreme
July 18th, 2012
2:28 pm
Curious….
I now see where Truman didn’t have a degree. That’s not a constitutional qualification if I recall.
I think it is a factor for a voter to consider….the question being does that make him a better candidate than the next. Different than meeting constitutional quidelines.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
July 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
Joseph comma
Did you happen to see the Romney telepromter video question mark
It was funny as hell period
end of post
barking frog
July 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
For Romney to win he
must convince Obama to
‘flip for it’ an area where
he has more expertise.
Mr. 0bvious
July 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
The reason you don’t see more “Romney” bumper stickers on cars around Atlanta is because the 0bama-Loving Thugz (& Thugettez) of this particular metro area have been repeatedly seen ripping them off of cars that dare roll through and park in their ‘hoods.
Regarding these acts of vandalism:
“If you see something, shoot something.”
Brosephus™
July 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
jconservative @ 12:59 pm
Romney has a problem. That problem is an incompetent staff. The election is now about Romney’s taxes, offshore bank accounts, and two different stories on when he actually resigned from Bain. Today the election is not about Obama and the lousy economy.
…
If Romney and his people cannot manage a campaign any better than this, I shutter to think how they will manage an actual country.
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Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
They BOTH suck:
Yeah I said something about teleprompters… I don’t think ya’ll want to go there…
http://youtu.be/24vRyrjiD2Q
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
late to this, but–
MSNBC is now known as NBCNews
I actually didn’t know that until just now. (I watch Rachel some weeknights, and Chris on the weekends; that’s about it.)
Interesting, though, that the “channel nobody watches” (per a lot of conservatives who post here) merited a buyout by GE from those itty bitty nobodies at Microsoft.
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
2:33 pm
If Mitt was smart he’d release his college transcripts….that would be hilarious
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:33 pm
And this.. He’s so smart…
http://youtu.be/jt5dY3vVoZ0
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:34 pm
or here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBAN5LP6gtA
straitroad
July 18th, 2012
2:34 pm
I agree with Sununu. The president doesn’t have American values. By the way, no matter how much you liberals try to shout down those that question Obama’s background, there are questions that he will not answer. Why will he not release his Occidental College records? Either he had poor grades or he applied as a foreign student. My guess is the latter and this would indicate fraud.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:35 pm
The reason you don’t see more “Romney” bumper stickers on cars around Atlanta is because the 0bama-Loving Thugz (& Thugettez) of this particular metro area have been repeatedly seen ripping them off of cars that dare roll through and park in their ‘hoods.
horse hockey. I see lots of dumbarses in parking lots here in MetroLanta with inflammatory, noxious right-wing bumper stickers.
Hardly any Romney stickers, though.
(That said, it’s a pretty lame indicator of how well a candidate is doing. I imagine we’ll see a lot more in a month or two; that was the case in 2008, anyway.)
John Birch
July 18th, 2012
2:35 pm
Obama is such an easy target there must be real idiots managing the Romney campaign. Attack him on his pitiful record. Show the unemployment below 8% if we pass this bill quote over and over again. Show the food lines, the unemployment lines, the foreclosed homes, the illegals walking over the border, and the death toll in Afghanistan.
the cat
July 18th, 2012
2:36 pm
Mr. 0bvious
July 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
The reason you don’t see more “Romney” bumper stickers on cars around Atlanta is because the 0bama-Loving Thugz (& Thugettez) of this particular metro area have been repeatedly seen ripping them off of cars that dare roll through and park in their ‘hoods.
Regarding these acts of vandalism:
“If you see something, shoot something.”
Proof please you racist.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:36 pm
Why will he not release his Occidental College records?
Wait a minute–THAT’s the school whose records you want to see?
Where he was a freshman and sophomore undergrad?
Lord Help Us
July 18th, 2012
2:37 pm
Did the ‘Sleeping Giant’ that was awakened following the SCOTUS decision on ACA go back to sleep?
zeke
July 18th, 2012
2:37 pm
sununu is a piece of ……, he was born in havana, cuba and his parents both of foreign backgrounds (jerusalem and el salvador)….pot calling kettle seems to me
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
2:38 pm
My guess is the latter and this would indicate fraud.
My guess (well, not so much a “guess” as an observation) is that you’re a birther.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:39 pm
LHU
I think they are brewing a pot of coffee for the “sleeping giant”. The 1st pot didn’t seem work.
Maybe one of those 5 hr energy drinks might do the trick
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:39 pm
Or here…
http://youtu.be/2wS8B1Qp5kQ
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:40 pm
Or perhaps here…
http://youtu.be/bEkB6PkCZig
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:41 pm
Joseph
Great clips. Seems beneath you to trade clips when earlier you were brokering deals on the behalf of the Romney campaign.
hahahahaha
Lord Help Us
July 18th, 2012
2:41 pm
‘I think they are brewing a pot of coffee for the “sleeping giant”. The 1st pot didn’t seem work.’
I think someone needs to check his pulse…
godless heathen
July 18th, 2012
2:41 pm
“Unamed aides to Romney told both Buzzfeed and NBC………………
Take that to the bank. LOL!
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 18th, 2012
2:41 pm
straitroad – “Either he had poor grades or he applied as a foreign student. My guess is the latter and this would indicate fraud.”
Perhaps you would like an immediate investigation into the admissions practices at Harvard for letting an obvious “fraud” into their hallowed halls.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:42 pm
“WE”
hahahahahaha
Keep it coming. Cheap laughs but you bring them by the dozen
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:42 pm
This is one of my favorites.. A Corpse Man… LOL…
http://youtu.be/ZlKIfzoC8D0
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
2:43 pm
Obama isn’t in any comfortable condition on the electoral map other than the biased Democrat supporter Tanenbaums website.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/election_2012
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
I love how the wheels are coming off the Romney campaign, but the cons don’t seem to notice.
Keep bringin’ the lulz, y’all.
Pizzaman
July 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
If the birthers spent as much time and money as they have on trying to prove this thing we’d have 7% unemployment and a 15,000 Dow. But, since all they can do is subscribe to this pipe dream and have no idea how to save the State or Country, guess we’ll have to put up with this crap till the Supreme Court tells them they are full of ….!
Vote early, vote often!
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
They BOTH suck:
Just making the point that your man is a dunce… Chalking up yet another debate win…
Lord Help Us
July 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
The ‘Sleeping Giant’ is flatlining…
Get the paddles! STAT!
Brosephus™
July 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
Did the ‘Sleeping Giant’ that was awakened following the SCOTUS decision on ACA go back to sleep?
I think the “sleeping giant” is undergoing medical observation to see if he’s narcoleptic or something.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 18th, 2012
2:46 pm
“Ticky Mitt: He’s not a crook… right?.”
What a great tag line…..
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
2:46 pm
Recon — “Obama isn’t in any comfortable condition on the electoral map other than the biased Democrat supporter Tanenbaums website.”
If you don’t like it, he refers you to his christian/Republican competition on his FAQ page. That said, their math works out to be just about the same most of the time. In fact, if you go there today, their math is EXACTLY the same.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Info/general-faq.html#republican
BS Aplenty
July 18th, 2012
2:46 pm
Sununu’s commentary on Obama’s background is very, very legitimate (even more so since I said “…very, very…”). “O” spent several years living in Indonesia during his youth and his father was a Kenyan national – both facts clearly support Sununu’s use of the word “foreign.” Couple that background with O’s economic and social politics which are certainly foreign in that they focus on the socialist/communist notion of “fairness” and not the American Founders focus on the liberty of the human spirit and justice under the law.
No, I think Sununu’s commentary is legitimate political conversation and highlights the fact that O’s policies resonate more so with those who have not found a way to achieve in this land of milk and honey rather than those who don’t live in “Whinersville.”
St Simons
July 18th, 2012
2:46 pm
Rmoney HAS to win Ohio, Florida, N Carolina, and Virginia. 538 says
2/3 chance he won’t win more than 2 of those. He will NOT win all 4.
Game Set Match as we say at de club.
now the Republicans have good accountants/stats too.
I may be the only one, but these numbers hold thru august
I will be shocked if he’s still their nominee in November.
Here we go!
July 18th, 2012
2:47 pm
Definition of insanity anyone? There is a part of me that hopes these birthers scream as loud and long as they can.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:48 pm
Joseph
Ok. Whatever you say “power broker”.
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 18th, 2012
2:48 pm
Joseph – “Just making the point that your man is a dunce…”
So was Bush, and he still got elected twice. You’re point?
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:49 pm
“I will be shocked if he’s still their nominee in November.”
He will still be there.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:49 pm
Obama isn’t in any comfortable condition on the electoral map other than the biased Democrat supporter Tanenbaums website.
hmm. Recon, are you saying that baseball stat-geek-turned-political oddsman Nate Silver (the guy who runs this site) is biased?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:50 pm
… reason I ask @ 2.49 is that while a 66.8% probability isn’t necessarily what you’d call “comfortable,” it ain’t bad.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
2:50 pm
I will be shocked if he’s still their nominee in November.
Yeah, me too.
But as far as I can see, he’s the best they got.
So who will they prop up in his place?
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:51 pm
Here’s a great movie for you leftys to watch…
http://youtu.be/cVgPCKbJNxo
Adam
July 18th, 2012
2:51 pm
Attack him on his pitiful record.
What would be in this record of which you speak?
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:52 pm
Maybe this one…
http://youtu.be/hfLsSg9wZlE
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
2:52 pm
St. Simons — “Rmoney HAS to win Ohio, Florida, N Carolina, and Virginia. 538 says
2/3 chance he won’t win more than 2 of those. He will NOT win all 4.
Game Set Match as we say at de club.”
If you assume that Romney will retain every state he’s got in his column as of today, and then add Ohio and Virginia (the two you named that he doesn’t already have), he still comes up short.
Romney’s got to play offense to win, but Obama’s got him playing defense. Obama wins if he can keep the pressure on.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
2:52 pm
Perhaps you would like an immediate investigation into the admissions practices at Harvard for letting an obvious “fraud” into their hallowed halls.
ZING
godless heathen
July 18th, 2012
2:52 pm
Did I miss something monumental? Something of earth shattering importance? The mother of all polls showing the President with a 20% margin?
Libs have gone bat-sheet crazy here today, all but popping the champagne over an assured Obama victory. Last numbers I’ve seen are that it’s a tight race and all the pundits expect it to be tight up until the end. And yes, Mama I’ve seen the electoral map you post here every day, there is a lot of “ifs” in your analysis.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:53 pm
A Corpse Man…
I bet that’s how over half of all Americans would pronounce that word in that context, actually.
It’s an excellent example of right wing poutrage. It was a slip. I guarandamntee you he’s never made that slip again.
(On the other hand, I don’t think GW Bush ever figured out how to say “nuclear.”)
BS Aplenty - I Refuse to Live in "Whinersville"
July 18th, 2012
2:53 pm
If Dems would only spend more time learning to thrive in this Eutopia-on-Earth rather than whine incessantly, you guys would be MILLIONAIRE-ians.
Or something like that.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:54 pm
all but popping the champagne over an assured Obama victory.
Well, I sure don’t resemble that remark.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:54 pm
2016 should be coming to ATL soon… Sign up libs… It has Obama in it….
Adam
July 18th, 2012
2:55 pm
Recon: FiveThirtyEight, RCP, and Huffington Post all agree that the electoral map looks pretty good for Obama. I suppose they’re all “liberal”? Like how Justice Roberts is now a liberal when he wasn’t before?
Socialist, Marxist, Communist, Liberal. Learn their meanings. Their REAL meanings.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
2:55 pm
SfD — “hmm. Recon, are you saying that baseball stat-geek-turned-political oddsman Nate Silver (the guy who runs this site) is biased?”
No, he’s complaining about Electoral-Vote.com. Cons think it’s biased, but their math comes out *remarkably* close to that of its conservative/christian/republican competition, to which they graciously provide a link on their FAQ page.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Info/general-faq.html#republican
Recon doesn’t have the math chops to refute what the site says, so he tries to trash the guy who runs it. What a shock that *both* sites have exactly the same EV total for the candidates today.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
2:56 pm
G. Heathen — “And yes, Mama I’ve seen the electoral map you post here every day, there is a lot of “ifs” in your analysis.”
Suppose you lay them out for us?
Terrence
July 18th, 2012
2:56 pm
I didn’t know Arpaio was a Hillary supporter. It was, in fact, Hillary supporters who questioned Obama’s citizenship during the 2008 campaign.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
2:57 pm
JHM: No, he’s complaining about Electoral-Vote.com. Cons think it’s biased,
Well whether or not it’s biased, it wasn’t right for the 2010 elections. Nate Silver WAS.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
2:58 pm
At Simons 2:46
No he only has to win 3 of those 5
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
2:59 pm
“In fact, if you go there today, their math is EXACTLY the same.”
Joe, Than you should know that Obama isn’t in a comfortable position. Albeit close, Romney’s ahead in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and tied in Virginia and Iowa. He also leads in Wisconsin, Colorado and is gaining in Pa.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:00 pm
Butch Cassidy (I):
He released his transcripts… Pretty good grades for Harvard…
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:02 pm
Adam — “Well whether or not it’s biased, it wasn’t right for the 2010 elections. Nate Silver WAS.”
EV does a good job for President and Senate elections, not quite so well for the House. Nate Silver does stats, but where he really excels, IMO, is meta-analysis and highlighting methodological and math flaws, so I rely on him as a reality check — he keeps me from relying on flawed pollsters.
For those who want to talk about accuracy, let’s not forget that Rasmussen called one poll FORTY PERCENT OFF; their results for Senator Inouye’s reelection in 2010 were horrendous. That alone ought to discount their work for this entire election cycle, IMO.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:03 pm
I guess the libs have all gone back to their basement homes… It’s getting boring in here.. Especially when you fruits lack the logic to back up any argument….
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
3:03 pm
No, he’s complaining about Electoral-Vote.com.
I know. I kinda wanted Recon’s take on Nate. I was wondering if some on the right side of the aisle figured Nate was a decent statistician, even if they might disagree with him ideologically
(and for what it’s worth, Nate rarely interjects his own personal political take into the conversation. Mostly, he seems to be all about calling a race correctly.)
JKL2
July 18th, 2012
3:03 pm
joe mama- Cons, what was that about the Bain attacks not getting traction?
Good to see your propoganda is working. Power to the sheeple!
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
I didn’t know Arpaio was a Hillary supporter. It was, in fact, Hillary supporters who questioned Obama’s citizenship during the 2008 campaign.
I don’t really have to point out the logical FUBARedness of that statement, do I?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:05 pm
Recon — “Joe, Than you should know that Obama isn’t in a comfortable position.”
Dude, given your recent analysis, I know better than to trust you on this.
“Albeit close, Romney’s ahead in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and tied in Virginia and Iowa.”
Nope. Obama’s got Ohio, Virginia and Iowa as of today. Obama can lose any two of those and still win; Romney would have to keep everything he has AND take all three of those states as well.
“He also leads in Wisconsin, Colorado and is gaining in Pa.
Nope. All three in Obama’s column today. Where are you getting your figures?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:06 pm
JKL — “Good to see your propoganda is working. Power to the sheeple!”
Here’s a Kleenex. Clean up your mascara, Sheila.
Tundra Dude
July 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
Obama isn’t in any comfortable condition on the electoral map other than the biased Democrat supporter Tanenbaums website.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/election_2012
Oh, right….from the Rasmussen Institute of Wishful Thinking
Here’s 6 more. The best one for Romney is 240, not enuf to win.
Six Electoral College Projections 2012-07-17
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/17/1110967/-Six-Electoral-College-Projections-2012-07-17
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
Soooo…..The GOP wanted a Businessman, Former Governor and Job Creator as their candidate to go up against Obama. Can anyone explain to me why, when they had a choice between Huntsman and Romney, they decided to push the weakest link to the front of the line?
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
“Where are you getting your figures?”
Probably Rasmussen, who still have Obama in the Electoral lead. Surely isn’t any sort of consensus like it is presented at realclear politics, which includes Rasmussen, Gallup, & I think WSJ.
godless heathen
July 18th, 2012
3:09 pm
Mama: IF Obama wins all the states he’s currently leading in the polls in.
St Simons
July 18th, 2012
3:09 pm
Joe, I’ll go further. Half my bidness is in Fla. NO WAY he wins Fla
That’s the whole ‘convention in Tampa’ thing. They’re not amateurs
on that side. They know they have NO CHANCE w/out Floriduh.
And Rick the Idiot sealed that for him.
There – 2 reasons (map & Fla) why I don’t think he
makes it to November as the nominee.
again, barring a dead girl or a live boy.
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
3:10 pm
Pats by 3
Adam
July 18th, 2012
3:10 pm
JHM: Where are you getting your figures?
Did you really just ask him that?
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:10 pm
Things can and will change numerous times. But when the best you have is a “closer” projection but still loosing at this time, it isn’t looking great.
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
3:10 pm
“Senator Inouye’s reelection in 2010 were horrendous”
Oh yeah sure Joe, Rasmussen Report is highly regarded as a professional polling organization right along side of Gallup. Your guy not so much. He tried to pass himself off as an unbiased Libritarian pollster until it was discovered that he’s really a Democrat who supported Kerry and Obama.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:10 pm
T. Dude — “Oh, right….from the Rasmussen Institute of Wishful Thinking”
What gets me is that E-V.com actually folds Rasmussen’s numbers into their data, but cons still hate them. I guess it’s because they don’t guzzle the Kool-Aid wholeheartedly and actually use non-Con-approved data to come up with their results.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
3:11 pm
JHM: Romney’s got to play offense to win, but Obama’s got him playing defense. Obama wins if he can keep the pressure on.
Missed this, but that is SPOT ON.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
3:12 pm
when they had a choice between Huntsman and Romney, they decided to push the weakest link to the front of the line?
I’m on record as regarding Huntsman as “not horrible”, which is to say he was the best the GOP had out there on TV in the debates, but let’s get real–the guy got single digits in primaries.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:12 pm
G. Heathen — “Mama: IF Obama wins all the states he’s currently leading in the polls in.”
Obama can afford to lose a couple. Romney can’t. That’s a bad position for Romney to be in at this point.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
3:12 pm
Can anyone explain to me why, when they had a choice between Huntsman and Romney, they decided to push the weakest link to the front of the line?
They didn’t want the WH in 2008 and they still don’t.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:13 pm
This is an interesting chart sure to have libs scratching their head….
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/election_2012_vs_election_2008_four_years_ago_today.html
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:13 pm
Well Gallup as Romney loosing the popular and electoral college at this time.
Just saying
Rasmussen has Romney leading the popular but behind in the EC.
just saying
Long way to go and no guarantees. However it seems you are hanging you hat on the polls you want to believe, yet they do not even tell the story you want.
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
3:14 pm
JHM: Romney’s got to play offense to win, but Obama’s got him playing defense. Obama wins if he can keep the pressure on.
Adam: Missed this, but that is SPOT ON.
still way too early for either side to peak…Romney’s doing a rope-a-dope for now and will bring out the big guns after the nom
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
3:15 pm
Joe,
You don’t need to trust me but when you can’t trust yourself, you’re in deep trouble. Either you didn’t review the current Rasmussen electoral map or you have a comprehension issue.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists...
July 18th, 2012
3:15 pm
Can anyone explain to me why, when they had a choice between Huntsman and Romney, they decided to push the weakest link to the front of the line/
IMO it was because Huntsman wouldn’t play their reindeer games. You know the ones, “Obama is a Marxist!!” “Obama Hates America!!!” “Where Are the Whitey Tapes?” (thanks Joe for that one!), etc.
They wanted someone with passion to fire up their base, a la Palin, they weren’t too concerned with such things as substance, intelligence, pride, etc.
Jack
July 18th, 2012
3:16 pm
Forget about where he was born, all you need to know about Obama is that he spent 20 years attending Wright’s church.
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:16 pm
Rasmussen Polled for George W. Bush. According to the Center for Public Integrity, Scott Rasmussen, Inc. received $45,500 from George W. Bush in 2004. The payments were for “Survey Research.” [Center for Public Integrity, accessed
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:17 pm
Recon — “Oh yeah sure Joe, Rasmussen Report is highly regarded as a professional polling organization right along side of Gallup.”
What do you think you know about it, Dudley?
Rasmussen’s professional reputation is little more than GOP sycophant. That’s why you rarely see Rasmussen cited anywhere other than FNC and right-wing crank websites.
If I’m going to take a lecture on statistics, I can assure you it won’t be you that lecture comes from.
“Your guy not so much.”
Maybe you’re just clueless and maybe you’re getting angry, but E-V isn’t a polling organization, you goon. (laughing)
They blend results from ACTUAL polling organizations in order to mute house effects (something I doubt you understand) and methodology biases.
“He tried to pass himself off as an unbiased Libritarian pollster until it was discovered that he’s really a Democrat who supported Kerry and Obama.”
Wrong. He didn’t try to pass himself off as a pollster because he isn’t a pollster at all. Come down off your high horse and I might teach you something today, Punkin.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:17 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
That’s as of this point. You do realize Romney will get a huge bounce when Rubio is announced as his running mate. And I see no way Oblama could recover after that… And on top of all that Wis, Penn, Mich, and Iowa are all in play…
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:17 pm
Rasmussen Is A Republican Pollster. According to the Center for Public Integrity, Scott Rasmussen, Inc. received $95,500 from the Republican National Committee in 2003 and 2004. The payments were for “Voter Data,” “Survey” and “Survey Cost.” [Center for Public Integrity, accessed 1/15/10]
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 18th, 2012
3:18 pm
Romney’s doing a rope-a-dope
Well we can agree on the dope part.
However taking punches to the stomach and head is not “rope-a-dope” when not part of the plan. Of course, some of those punches are coming from his own side and he’s hitting himself in the head. 
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:18 pm
Rasmussen’s Final Polling Results Showed House Effect in 2006, 2008 Senate Races. In 2008, Rasmussen‟s polling results were an average of 0.97% more favorable to Republicans than the actual outcome of the race. In 2006, that number was 1.84%. [Analysis of Rasmussen Reports 2006 & 2008 Senate Scorecards, RasmussenReports.com]
Adam
July 18th, 2012
3:18 pm
Romney’s doing a rope-a-dope for now and will bring out the big guns after the nom
Are you saying you have HOPE for your candidate?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
3:19 pm
Jack @ 3.16, if you could explain what it is, specifically, that voters should take into account regarding Obama’s membership in a large, local, mainstream Protestant denomination-affiliated church, I am all ears.
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:19 pm
Only Pollster To Have Bob Schaffer Winning in 2008. Ever. Rasmussen Reports was the only pollster to ever place Bob Schaffer ahead of Mark Udall in the 2008 Senate race, and they did it twice, in polls in November of 2007 and February of 2008. Throughout the rest of the campaign Rasmussen consistently showed a narrower margin of victory for Udall than other pollsters conducting polls in similar time periods, and their final poll missed Udall‟s margin of victory by four points. [Pollster.com 2008 Colorado Senate Polls, accessed 1/15/10]
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:19 pm
E. Cat — “still way too early for either side to peak…Romney’s doing a rope-a-dope for now and will bring out the big guns after the nom”
Sorry, but I can’t believe that about Romney. We haven’t seen him do that in any previous election, so I have no idea how you’d think he’s suddenly started to accomplish that now.
If anything, given the rising chorus of Republicans telling him to come up with his tax returns, I’d say he’s in a bit of a pickle.
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:20 pm
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists...
July 18th, 2012
3:20 pm
still way too early for either side to peak…Romney’s doing a rope-a-dope for now and will bring out the big guns after the nom
He’d better hurry up then. Ali lost his last 3 fights doing the “rope-a-dope”. Besides, if the only thing he has going for him as far as political idealogy is concerend, is to wait for whatever Obama says, and then disagree on it………..well……..
It might be a knock out.
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
3:21 pm
Some of you guys a really map challenged. Obama is not in a comfortable position. This will be a very close election.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/125066/State-States.aspx?ref=interactive
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:21 pm
And the beat goes on
Rasmussen Admits Conservative Screen. Reported Politico, “Rasmussen, for his part, explained that his numbers are trending Republican simply because he is screening for only those voters most likely to head to the polls — a pool of respondents, he argues, that just so happens to bend more conservative this election cycle… But critics note that the practice of screening for only those voters regarded as most likely to head to the polls potentially weeds out younger and minority voters — who would be more likely to favor Democrats than Republicans.” [Politico, 1/2/10]
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:21 pm
Recon — “You don’t need to trust me”
Well, thanks for that. (laughing)
“but when you can’t trust yourself, you’re in deep trouble.”
What makes you think I can’t trust myself?
“Either you didn’t review the current Rasmussen electoral map or you have a comprehension issue.”
Third possibility: Rasmussen’s known to have methodology problems and their work is unreliable.
Fourth possibility: Rasmussen’s results are an outlier, given their previous inaccuracies and the fact that no one else shows the poll results they do.
Fifth possibility: You’re biased and credulous.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:22 pm
You don’t say:
Year in and year out they prove to be the most accurate and reputable poll…
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703436504574640973183026230.html
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
3:22 pm
IMO it was because Huntsman wouldn’t play their reindeer games.
generally, yeah.
I found it kind of hard to forgive him for going along with the primary debate pack when they were asked if they’d take a hypothetical deal that was 10:1 spending cuts:tax increases, although I think he later claimed it was a dumb question and didn’t really want to waste time arguing the hypothetical.
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:23 pm
As anyone posted any links with Romney leading or tied in the Electoral College?
Maybe I missed it.
Going to be tight, but Romney has to many “what if I win this or that state” scenarios
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:24 pm
Joseph — “That’s as of this point. You do realize Romney will get a huge bounce when Rubio is announced as his running mate.”
Nope. This has been analyzed to death here.
Rubio will not be the game-changer you apparently think he will be. We can talk about this if you want to, but if Romney wants to get a Hispanic on the ticket in order to pick up support in that demographic, Rubio’s possibly the worst choice he could make.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:24 pm
Rassmussen was the most accurate in 08′.
http://www.fordham.edu/images/academics/graduate_schools/gsas/elections_and_campaign_/poll%20accuracy%20in%20the%202008%20presidential%20election.pdf
getalife
July 18th, 2012
3:25 pm
They are debating Afghanistan in the house.
Some gop want out.
The waste will keep flowing.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
3:26 pm
Some of you guys a really map challenged.
you do realize that link has nothing to do with Obama’s re-election probability, yes?
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:26 pm
Joseph
You provided an OP ED piece from a guy who was once a commentator on Fox telling people not to blame Fox and Rasmussen.
I assume you have a statistical analysis to back up that link.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:26 pm
Recon — “Some of you guys a really map challenged.”
Dude, you should talk.
“Obama is not in a comfortable position. This will be a very close election.”
Says you. Once again, what do *you* know about it?
Tundra Dude
July 18th, 2012
3:26 pm
Joseph muttered:
I guess the libs have all gone back to their basement homes… It’s getting boring in here..
Imo, what’s Really boring is that the Red party is so bereft of ideas.
They present us with their previously rejected 2nd tier candidate, (Is he your Symbolic candidate?)
Their only ammo left in their arsenal is these aging, dusty issue-ettes from 2008.
As the Brits say at soccer games; Boooooring, Boooring!
St Simons
July 18th, 2012
3:26 pm
now that we got that settled, on to –
Meddycare for All, then to Universal
Law of the Sea Treaty (god how stupid we look)
Master teacher program
mandatory Art & Music funding (its like Raid for con-think)
JOBS Act
End tax cuts for Biff, Muffy & me
Infrastructure on the scale of WPA
End all tax-skating schemes (i’m ready to retire anyway)
Jerb-outsourcing tax of 100%
I’m still thinkin’…
getalife
July 18th, 2012
3:27 pm
Canada is beating us because of health care costs.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists...
July 18th, 2012
3:27 pm
Obama — I believe we should extend the Bush Tax Credit For the Middle Class
Mitt – That’s a horrible idea!! I don’t have a better idea, but I know for a FACT that Obama’s idea is HORRIBLE!!
Obama — I believe we should have more people sign up as mentors for our children.
Mitt — That’s a horrible idea!! I don’t have a better idea, but I know for a FACT that Obama’s idea is HORRIBLE!!
Obama — I like Burger King.
Mitt — That’s UnAmerican!!! Everyone knows that McDonald’s has the best burgers!!
Obama — I believe that everyone should have an equal chance to suceede in america
Romney — That’s a horrible idea!! I don’t have a better idea, but I know for a FACT that Obama’s idea is HORRIBLE!!
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:28 pm
Joseph — “Year in and year out they prove to be the most accurate and reputable poll…”
In the minds of biased Republicans.
Taegan Goddard of Political Wire asked if a Rasmussen poll in Hawaii was the worst prediction of the year:
A Rasmussen survey in Hawaii showed Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-HI) leading challenger Cam Cavasso (R) by 13 points two weeks ago, 53% to 40%. The final results showed Inouye winning re-election by 51 points, 72% to 21%.
http://www.salon.com/2010/11/03/scott_rasmussen_polls_inaccurate/
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:28 pm
And in 2010
http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2010/11/08/news/doc4cd77ef482943113877226.txt
Wonder what Quinnipiac is saying today. You do not want to know
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
3:29 pm
“What do you think you know about it, Dudley? ”
First of all if you’re referring to me, Dudley is not my handle nor is punkin. If, however, you wish I’ll start calling you jackass. Particularly when you’re coming on here posting bull manure about Obama being in a comfortable position when you can’t even interpret a map.
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
3:29 pm
Adam – that’s twice you made me chuckle today
Debbie – Romney actually has a very comprehensive plan…check out his website
JHM – Mitt needs momentum going into the general election not now…his sitting on a mountain of campaign money…and I think the other R’s are in on the “punk”
DDR – Ali didn’t lose his last 3..that I recall….He lost to Holmes but beat Spinks and Norton before that
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:29 pm
Joseph — “Rassmussen was the most accurate in 08′.”
And the least accurate in 2010. Is that the kind of record you want to hang your hopes on?
Quagmire
July 18th, 2012
3:30 pm
I, Mitt Romney, have decided to not choose on whether or not to show my taxes. At the appropriate time, I will show them but not tell you about them.
WTF……………………………………said reporters
Mitt: Obama wasn’t born in American
WTF……………………………………said reports
Mitt……………………………………….Let me we win once, I’ll pay you
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:30 pm
You don’t say:
Caddell and Schoen are both dems… Oh I forgot.. You fruits eat your own if they step out of line.. Booker, Ford, Davis….
getalife
July 18th, 2012
3:31 pm
Rohrbacher declared victory in Afghanastan.
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
3:31 pm
“Once again, what do *you* know about it?”
Joe, if you’re out to prove that I at least know more than you, you’ve succeeded.
getalife
July 18th, 2012
3:32 pm
joey,
Partisan hack much?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:32 pm
Recon — “First of all if you’re referring to me, Dudley is not my handle nor is punkin. If, however, you wish I’ll start calling you jackass. Particularly when you’re coming on here posting bull manure about Obama being in a comfortable position when you can’t even interpret a map.”
When you’re ready to talk math, I’ll GLADLY be your huckleberry.
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but the fact is that you don’t know the first thing about polling or statistics, and you have no leg to stand on here. If you don’t want to be lectured, then don’t act like you have a clue when it’s obvious that you haven’t
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:33 pm
Rumors are swirling that if Republicans do win the Senate that Manchin and Landrieu are going to flip..
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:33 pm
E. Cat — “JHM – Mitt needs momentum going into the general election not now…his sitting on a mountain of campaign money…and I think the other R’s are in on the “punk”
I’m going to give this serious consideration, but as of now, I just don’t see it. But I will think about it.
Mark
July 18th, 2012
3:33 pm
I pray the idiotic Birther’s keep this rhetoric up. The Republicans are going to help Obama win and I cannot wait!
Donovan
July 18th, 2012
3:34 pm
Just thought I would check into to this cesspool and give a gaze at the low class discussion going on. I was right. Mr. Liberal cheerleader does his hit piece and his little sharks do the rest.
I won’t tax myself at this hour with much of a reply. However, I must say that you left wingers have nothing that sticks again in your bag of low character tricks.
Why not go back to the dog on the roof thing? Pathetic.
Let’s talk tomorrow about Obama’s record.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:34 pm
Recon — “Joe, if you’re out to prove that I at least know more than you, you’ve succeeded.”
Punkin, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about here.
How many semesters of Statistics did you have in college again?
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:34 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
Salon.com.. You only make yourself look stupid….
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:35 pm
Joseph
Same Pat Cadell that left the Democrat Party back in 1988 and his or was paid by Fox to dog out Democrats all the time?
That guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Caddell
getalife
July 18th, 2012
3:36 pm
For those that are worried about cutting spending, the defense bill is a great example.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:36 pm
Tundra Dude:
I realize that a community organizer is a formidable foe but I think we can muster up a few more votes than McCain….
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
3:36 pm
Joseph,
This guy comes on here and bloviates daily. When he gets called out and can’t prove the accuracy of his bloviation he goes on offense and calls other posters names.
TaxPayer
July 18th, 2012
3:37 pm
I’m looking forward to hearing a debate between President Obama and Mitt on women’s rights. That one topic deserves at least a few hours. I’m thinking someone from Planned Parenthood should moderate.
getalife
July 18th, 2012
3:37 pm
joey writes like jm.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:38 pm
Joseph — “Salon.com.. You only make yourself look stupid….”
I can give that same data to you from a dozen different places; it doesn’t change the fact that Rasmussen was off by roughly 40 points in a 2010 prediction — thereby making them the most inaccurate pollster of the cycle.
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:38 pm
Or tells them to “shove it up their…………”
Oh wait, that was another blogger
Never mind
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:39 pm
Recon — “This guy comes on here and bloviates daily. When he gets called out and can’t prove the accuracy of his bloviation he goes on offense and calls other posters names.”
As I said, Punkin, when you’re ready to talk math, you just let me know. (laughing)
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism is Capitalists...
July 18th, 2012
3:39 pm
if Romney wants to get a Hispanic on the ticket in order to pick up support in that demographic, Rubio’s possibly the worst choice he could make
Wouldn’t win many hispanic votes. Cuban votes yes; general hispanic populace? NO.
cubans tend to be seen as “political prostitutes” to the other hispanic races in America. Cubans get an automatic right to stay in America, no questions asked, as long as they set one foot on American soil. All other hispanics? they get harrassed, picked on, and used as the poster boy/girls for “illegal alien invasion”.
Cubans, whether they ever try to “fit in”in america, get access to more government enabled programs than any other hispanic population.
cubans, in essence, are the Mitt Romney’s of the hispanic world. Not too many hispanics acutally LIKE cubans that much.
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
3:41 pm
Okay you’ve answered my question, so now I’ll ask you one Joe or jackass I guess you now prefer the latter. Did you read the current Rasmussen electoral map as you said that you did? If so what was your interpretation?
St Simons
July 18th, 2012
3:41 pm
Recon is right, i think it will be close – closer than I would like.
closer than it should be. They’ll keep the House & get the Senate.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:42 pm
Libs would probably spit at these precious babies…
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/17/lemonade-lessons-small-ones-sour-on-obama-small-biz-advice/?test=latestnews
TaxPayer
July 18th, 2012
3:42 pm
Ten worst states to live in during retirement.
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 18th, 2012
3:42 pm
Joseph – “I realize that a community organizer is a formidable foe but I think we can muster up a few more votes than McCain…”
I hope so, because the last time your boy ran, he couldn’t even beat McCain. Which in turn led to McCain being beaten by a Community Organizer.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:44 pm
Dang it!!! Gas prices going back up!! Dang Romney! Oh wait he’s not President…
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:44 pm
St Simoms
I tend to agree with that. House is a given and Republicans have a great chance of taking the Senate.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
3:44 pm
getalife
Joseph is mike.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:45 pm
Butch Cassidy (I):
Well McCain was second in line. Usually works that way you know Edwards.. Whoops.. Sorry…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
3:45 pm
Oh, and SHEETS!
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 18th, 2012
3:46 pm
Joseph – “Dang it!!! Gas prices going back up!!”
What,gas prices rising in the summer? How could we possibly explain such an unprecedented event?
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
3:46 pm
St Simons, thank you you’re an honest liberal.
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 18th, 2012
3:48 pm
Joseph – “Edwards.. Whoops.. Sorry…”
Don’t even know what that means, unless for some reason you think I supported Kerry/Edwards. If it makes you feel better, I cast my last vote for GW in his first run.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:49 pm
Butch Cassidy (I):
Yeah but you fruit made a big deal out them falling a few weeks ago. Got news for ya. They will be back close to $4 a gallon by November which will shine a glaring light on Oblama’s atrocious energy policy…
curious
July 18th, 2012
3:51 pm
TaxPayer
July 18th, 2012
3:42 pm
Ten worst states to live in during retirement.
All the more reson to scrap Obamacare. Old folks skew the data.
Our tough stance on crime helps with the crime rate, too.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:52 pm
$14 million per green job… What a President…
beam me up
July 18th, 2012
3:53 pm
The Romney campaign’s general strategy is obvious and not necessarily sub-optimal. Romney himself is just trying to avoid the big mistake while letting surrogates take cheap shots for him. This is probably the best approach since it has to be done, but the price of making the wrong attack personally could be quite high. The big problem for him is his tax returns. If he hasn’t released those come debate time, he is going to get absolutely skewered. His responses thus far have been inept and unconvincing. The people who will decide this election for him are barely even paying attention right now, but in a couple of months they will be. At this point, you have to assume that his camp has reached the conclusion that releasing will do more harm than not, and that cannot be a good sign.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
4:02 pm
Recon: No one here thinks you know more than Joe. Just sayin
Filter
July 18th, 2012
4:08 pm
Recon
I took your advice and looked at Rasmussen. It shows the President up by 56 and only 23 from taking it to the house. So I’m not sure what you are talking about. Are you?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
4:09 pm
Recon — “Okay you’ve answered my question, so now I’ll ask you one Joe or jackass I guess you now prefer the latter.”
Don’t guess, Punkin. KNOW. Try asking me.
There’s no shame in saying that you don’t know something, but it is shameful indeed to not know something and posture like you are because your ego won’t let you admit it.
“Did you read the current Rasmussen electoral map as you said that you did? If so what was your interpretation?”
I think it’s an outlier, as Rasmussen results often are. If you track the same question over time for multiple pollsters and then line up all the results, Rasmussen invariably tracks to the right. Sometimes only by a point or two, and sometimes in excess of five or six points, but it’s there and it’s quantifiable. I think that points to a house bias on Rasmussen’s part.
Does that mean I think it should be ignored? No, but I also don’t you should rely *exclusively* or *largely* on it, and that goes for any pollster. I prefer to use Rasmussen as a lower bound for my expectations; that is to say that I anticipate that whatever Rasmussen says, the *actual* results most likely will not pass beyond his results (in other words, I think Rasmussen’s results show the worst *possible* case for Obama, but not a very *likely* case).
I *prefer* poll aggregators like E-V.com and the like, because their blended approach (taking multiple poll results and averaging them) mutes the outlier figures and house effects of the different pollsters. The result is a slower, more gentle trend in the numbers that eliminates wild swings due to weird poll questions or survey population mis-sampling.
Just FYI, if we ever discuss an *individual* poll, I automatically ignore any individual poll with a margin of error greater than +/- 3.0%.
Tundra Dude
July 18th, 2012
4:19 pm
I realize that a community organizer is a formidable foe but I think we can muster up a few more votes than McCain…
Problem is, the formidable foe is now a sitting president. For info on why presidents lose, see Allen Lichtman.
Predicting the Presidential Election, 2012
By James Zogby
Their approach was based on a thorough analysis of the forces at work in shaping the political landscape in every U.S. presidential elections from 1860 to 1980. From this examination they developed their predictive model. And since then, Lichtman has used it to correctly forecast the outcome of every election from 1984 through 2008.
http://www.aaiusa.org/dr-zogby/entry/predicting-the-presidential-election-2012
Tundra Dude
July 18th, 2012
4:27 pm
Joseph – “Dang it!!! Gas prices going back up!!”
As a sipper from the Fountain of Knowledge that is Faux Nuze, you should know gas prices are Not the fault of the prez.
Mr Right
July 18th, 2012
4:35 pm
Oh boy, are we going to have to endure two to three Romney slams till the election? Kind of strange the other side NEVER does anything stupid !
richardsh
July 19th, 2012
4:26 am
What I believe many people are missing on these discussion boards, is that Obama has never granted physical access to any independent forensic examiner to physically touch and and study the actual paper BC document. That document presumably sits in the Hawaii Department of Health.
Consider this: The mainstream media never really covered the birth certificate issue. Oh sure, they had their ‘debunking’ stories all line up in a cue and they played them to the America public who believed them and bought the line that it was a ‘debunked story”.
But they didn’t dismiss the story, except on April 27, 2011. That was the day that Obama decided to release the PDF file of his long form birth certificate. For 3 days, it was kind news. People were briefly talking about on talk radio. But all that conversation came to screech halt just 3 days later.
Conveniently, Obama wiped the story about his BC, off the map by killing Bin Ladin. Coincidence? Maybe. But maybe not. Both actions were in his control. So the day and days following Bin Ladin death, the BC story, was dead. No one was paying attention to the fact that various computer experts were claiming that the PDF file Obama released appeared fraudulent because of certain peculiarities.
The charge made here by the sheriff is very serious, but their investigation is confident they found fraud. Instead of pronouncing judgement when the best evidence has never actually been seen (the paper BC), read the actual forensic analysis before passing judgement.
The forensic report by was prepared by Mara Zebrest. (Just google her name). She has the credentials to be used as a witness in court cases. Her report shows a lot fascinating discrepancies.
What sickens me, is that the so called “birther” label was used to denigrate people that simply wanted the truth. Ronald Reagan used to have a saying when dealing the Soviets: Trust, but verify.
Sununus mom
July 20th, 2012
9:55 am
As a native NH resident I would like to know how does a Cuban born person wake one morning and say I want to move to NH and run for Governor? Or from Detroit to Ma and run for Governor then claim of a natural born citizen “I wish this president would learn how to be an American.” Sununu if you don’t respect the office of the presidency then keep in mind inner tubes cross the gulf both ways. CYA
Ivan Cohen
July 20th, 2012
11:31 am
John Sununu and Joe Arpaio make the perfect set of bookends to give a relative who has almost everything.