Romney camp toying with symbolic birtherism
A screengrab from DrudgeReport.com, the conservative id, highlighting accusations from Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio that President Obama's birth certificate is undoubtedly a fake. It is complete with links to World Net Daily, which gleefully reports Arpaio's claim that this information "threatens to weaken national security.”
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John Sununu, a prominent spokesman for the Romney campaign, says that he is sorry for his remark Tuesday morning that “I wish this president would learn how to be an American.”
I do not for a moment believe that Sununu is sorry about that remark. Quite the contrary, he said what he intended to say and what the Romney campaign had instructed him to say.
After all, in a separate appearance Tuesday morning on Fox News, Sununu said much the same thing in slightly different words, claiming that Obama “has no idea how the American system functions. And we shouldn’t be surprised about that, because he spent his early years in Hawaii smoking something, spent another set of years in Indonesia.”
How is that functionally different from the comments for which he apologized?
Later that same day, Romney himself accused Obama of wanting to “change the nature of America,” claiming that “his course is extraordinarily foreign.” If Sununu’s statement had been a mistake and the campaign was truly chagrined by it, there is no way Romney would have publicly reinforced it.
In other words, Obama’s “otherness” was the Romney campaign’s message of the day. Their goal was to not to discuss Obama’s economic policies, but to cast their opponent as “extraordinarily foreign” and unAmerican in the eyes of voters. It is a slightly more subtle form of the lunacy playing out in the Drudge screengrab posted above.
That, in turn, is a sign of danger and weakness within the Romney campaign.
In the last couple of weeks, Romney has come under harsh attack from the Obama campaign, both in speeches and statements by Obama and in campaign ads airing in swing states. He hasn’t responded well. In fact, Romney’s inability to either defend himself or change the subject has brought also harsh condemnation from the GOP right, which is fearful that he is repeating the mistakes of John McCain.
For example, Byron York, in a much-publicized piece headlined “How Did Vaunted Romney Death Star Break Down?“, complains that “the Romney campaign is not displaying the super-aggressive effectiveness it showed in the primaries” against his fellow Republicans. If Romney doesn’t regain “the back-against-the-wall fighting spirit he had in the Florida primary,” York writes, “the Obama campaign will run over him.”
It has become an article of faith on the conservative right that in 2008, McCain lost because he did not play rough and did not fight back. He didn’t raise questions about Obama’s citizenship, about his patriotism, about Obama’s alleged goal of destroying America as we know it, about his ties to terrorists, etc. The conservative right is quite convinced that raising such allegations before the general public is the path to victory, because it matches so closely to what they themselves already believe.
The statements by Sununu and Romney on Tuesday were intended to reassure nervous conservatives that yes, they get it. However, to the degree that the Romney campaign is pushed closer to the lunatic fringe as a means of proving its toughness to its own base, it will lose. Popular as it is among conservatives, it simply is not an argument likely to convince the swing and independent voters who will decide this race. As the backlash to Sununu’s statement suggests, it is likely to do the opposite.
In fact, I suspect the Obama campaign is pushing the Romney folks hard for just that reason, hoping to provoke them to overreact. They know that the GOP base is pushing Romney in that same direction, and they too must have noticed that one of the striking attributes of the Romney campaign has been its inability to deny the right what it demands.
In other words, yesterday’s “slip” may become tomorrow’s campaign theme, and if that happens it will make the Obama campaign very very happy.
– Jay Bookman
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rightwingextreme
July 18th, 2012
2:02 pm
curious
July 18th, 2012
1:43 pm
Does the Degree need to be from an accredited University and what is the minimum acceptable GPA?
Curious,
I would hope the degree is from an accredited school! As to the minimum GPA, I’d let that be decided at the polls.
My point is that I believe all candidates should release this information. We are voting for the most important elected office in the country. We have a right to know as much about a candidate as possible.
I believe we should have independently verfifiable proof that ANY candidate meets the constitutional qualifications of the office.
Romney on when he WILL release
July 18th, 2012
2:04 pm
his tax returns….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM8YUi4LN0E
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
2:06 pm
Kam 2:02 whew
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
2:07 pm
You are not even on the local PTA President’s radar, nonetheless Romney for President’s radar.
IIRC, he said that he was on the board of a local private school, so I guess that means he is privy to all kinds of national intel.
curious
July 18th, 2012
2:07 pm
Another reason to scrap Obamacare.
USA Today reports the CDC says the South has the greatest number of people living with AIDS in the nation.
Don’t worry, our healthcare system that got us to this point is working just fine.
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
2:08 pm
I still think Mitt is “punking” you guys on this…he’ll release more when the time is right and there will be no smoking gun…the worst will be that he gave almost as much money to the LDS church as he paid in taxes….not that the left won’t latch onto that
Carlos
July 18th, 2012
2:10 pm
Think of the planning required to plant a newspaper birth announcement over 50 years ago in a Hawaiian newspaper so that when a half black, half white baby with a foreign sounding name went to run for president, he’d qualify. Wow. The birthers must think the Democrats are the smartest people in the world!
curious
July 18th, 2012
2:10 pm
I believe we should have independently verfifiable proof that ANY candidate meets the constitutional qualifications of the office.
You mean Harry Truman wasn’t constitutionaly qualified?
Jay
July 18th, 2012
2:10 pm
Actually, most polling reported that Obama won two of the three debates rather handily, and may have won the third as well.
Now, after four years of practice and the confidence that comes with being president, I’d think he’d be even more formidable. But we shall of course see.
godless heathen
July 18th, 2012
2:10 pm
““his course is extraordinarily foreign.”
“Corporations are people, my friend!”
“Let Detroit Go Bankrupt!”
“I stand by what I said, whatever it was…”
Lookin’ real bleak for the Cons in November
Context there, Goldie, context.
Kinda early to be declaring victory, isn’t it?
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:13 pm
Kam
My bad. Didn’t know he was so high up.
Appears he was making attempts at brokering and facilitating deals for the Romney camp
getalife
July 18th, 2012
2:14 pm
I told you willard was not ready and our President is dominating him.
“John McCain: Bachmann Claim Has ‘No Logic, No Basis And No Merit’” Aol
Mavericky.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:14 pm
EC
I think you are right. Probably a few years with some fairly low tax rates, however I doubt there is anything illegal.
Jefferson
July 18th, 2012
2:14 pm
Reckon’ Romney will be throwing out $10k bets ?
carlosgvv
July 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
curious – 2:07
Are you saying just keep the status quo and let them all die?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
July 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
Not only is the Romney camp toying with birtherism…..
According to TPM
“Unamed aides to Romney told both Buzzfeed and NBC that they plan to step up their game, possibly including attacks on Obama’s biography that have up to this point been solely the domain of right-wing media.”
That went so well last time….
Adam
July 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
I still think Mitt is “punking” you guys on this…he’ll release more when the time is right and there will be no smoking gun
Except that every day Romney isn’t talking about the economy and getting the media to follow that narrative is a losing day for the Romney campaign.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
2:19 pm
E. Cat — “I still think Mitt is “punking” you guys on this…”
Really? Would you go so far as to say this was maybe even planned?
“he’ll release more when the time is right”
I do think he’s looking for the least damaging way to do just that, yes.
“and there will be no smoking gun…”
If he paid little to nothing some years, there’s your smoking gun.
“the worst will be that he gave almost as much money to the LDS church as he paid in taxes….”
Given what he has already released and how the LDS handles tithing, I’m sure you will be shown to be correct in this regard.
“not that the left won’t latch onto that”
You can count on it.
Goldie
July 18th, 2012
2:20 pm
oh and Godless, I forgot to add these Mitt words: “Massachusetts individual mandate” — bwaaaa!
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:22 pm
Jay:
Practice… Are you kidding Jay. he reads from a teleprompter.. When he didn’t he made the gaffe about how the gubmint creates all you idea’s…
curious
July 18th, 2012
2:24 pm
carlosgvv
Are you saying just keep the status quo and let them all die?
No. That’s what the Republicans are saying.
the cat
July 18th, 2012
2:24 pm
Joseph-end of quote. I would not be making jokes about teleprompter gaffes ifn i were you.
St Simons
July 18th, 2012
2:24 pm
Mitt, they’re just not that into you. wah
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:24 pm
The gaffe’s that keep on giving… Yes Solyndra was a success. For the Romney campaign anyway…
http://freebeacon.com/the-solyndra-success/
the cat
July 18th, 2012
2:25 pm
I predict the honorable Ann Romney is suddenly coming down with some dreadful Hollywood type “disease” causing Mittens to remove himself from the nomination in order to spend time with his family in their time of need. The one way to save face at this point in time.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:26 pm
Someone say something about teleprompters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ubsRRAADTg
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:27 pm
Jay:
He is being weaned off the teleprompter though Jay…. LOL…
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/238279-president-switches-off-his-teleprompter
rightwingextreme
July 18th, 2012
2:28 pm
Curious….
I now see where Truman didn’t have a degree. That’s not a constitutional qualification if I recall.
I think it is a factor for a voter to consider….the question being does that make him a better candidate than the next. Different than meeting constitutional quidelines.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
July 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
Joseph comma
Did you happen to see the Romney telepromter video question mark
It was funny as hell period
end of post
barking frog
July 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
For Romney to win he
must convince Obama to
‘flip for it’ an area where
he has more expertise.
Mr. 0bvious
July 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
The reason you don’t see more “Romney” bumper stickers on cars around Atlanta is because the 0bama-Loving Thugz (& Thugettez) of this particular metro area have been repeatedly seen ripping them off of cars that dare roll through and park in their ‘hoods.
Regarding these acts of vandalism:
“If you see something, shoot something.”
Brosephus™
July 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
jconservative @ 12:59 pm
Romney has a problem. That problem is an incompetent staff. The election is now about Romney’s taxes, offshore bank accounts, and two different stories on when he actually resigned from Bain. Today the election is not about Obama and the lousy economy.
…
If Romney and his people cannot manage a campaign any better than this, I shutter to think how they will manage an actual country.
My nominee for post of the day!!! Nothing else needs to be said.
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Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
They BOTH suck:
Yeah I said something about teleprompters… I don’t think ya’ll want to go there…
http://youtu.be/24vRyrjiD2Q
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
late to this, but–
MSNBC is now known as NBCNews
I actually didn’t know that until just now. (I watch Rachel some weeknights, and Chris on the weekends; that’s about it.)
Interesting, though, that the “channel nobody watches” (per a lot of conservatives who post here) merited a buyout by GE from those itty bitty nobodies at Microsoft.
Erwin's cat
July 18th, 2012
2:33 pm
If Mitt was smart he’d release his college transcripts….that would be hilarious
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:33 pm
And this.. He’s so smart…
http://youtu.be/jt5dY3vVoZ0
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:34 pm
or here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBAN5LP6gtA
straitroad
July 18th, 2012
2:34 pm
I agree with Sununu. The president doesn’t have American values. By the way, no matter how much you liberals try to shout down those that question Obama’s background, there are questions that he will not answer. Why will he not release his Occidental College records? Either he had poor grades or he applied as a foreign student. My guess is the latter and this would indicate fraud.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:35 pm
The reason you don’t see more “Romney” bumper stickers on cars around Atlanta is because the 0bama-Loving Thugz (& Thugettez) of this particular metro area have been repeatedly seen ripping them off of cars that dare roll through and park in their ‘hoods.
horse hockey. I see lots of dumbarses in parking lots here in MetroLanta with inflammatory, noxious right-wing bumper stickers.
Hardly any Romney stickers, though.
(That said, it’s a pretty lame indicator of how well a candidate is doing. I imagine we’ll see a lot more in a month or two; that was the case in 2008, anyway.)
John Birch
July 18th, 2012
2:35 pm
Obama is such an easy target there must be real idiots managing the Romney campaign. Attack him on his pitiful record. Show the unemployment below 8% if we pass this bill quote over and over again. Show the food lines, the unemployment lines, the foreclosed homes, the illegals walking over the border, and the death toll in Afghanistan.
the cat
July 18th, 2012
2:36 pm
Mr. 0bvious
July 18th, 2012
2:32 pm
The reason you don’t see more “Romney” bumper stickers on cars around Atlanta is because the 0bama-Loving Thugz (& Thugettez) of this particular metro area have been repeatedly seen ripping them off of cars that dare roll through and park in their ‘hoods.
Regarding these acts of vandalism:
“If you see something, shoot something.”
Proof please you racist.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:36 pm
Why will he not release his Occidental College records?
Wait a minute–THAT’s the school whose records you want to see?
Where he was a freshman and sophomore undergrad?
Lord Help Us
July 18th, 2012
2:37 pm
Did the ‘Sleeping Giant’ that was awakened following the SCOTUS decision on ACA go back to sleep?
zeke
July 18th, 2012
2:37 pm
sununu is a piece of ……, he was born in havana, cuba and his parents both of foreign backgrounds (jerusalem and el salvador)….pot calling kettle seems to me
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
2:38 pm
My guess is the latter and this would indicate fraud.
My guess (well, not so much a “guess” as an observation) is that you’re a birther.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:39 pm
LHU
I think they are brewing a pot of coffee for the “sleeping giant”. The 1st pot didn’t seem work.
Maybe one of those 5 hr energy drinks might do the trick
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:39 pm
Or here…
http://youtu.be/2wS8B1Qp5kQ
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:40 pm
Or perhaps here…
http://youtu.be/bEkB6PkCZig
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:41 pm
Joseph
Great clips. Seems beneath you to trade clips when earlier you were brokering deals on the behalf of the Romney campaign.
hahahahaha
Lord Help Us
July 18th, 2012
2:41 pm
‘I think they are brewing a pot of coffee for the “sleeping giant”. The 1st pot didn’t seem work.’
I think someone needs to check his pulse…
godless heathen
July 18th, 2012
2:41 pm
“Unamed aides to Romney told both Buzzfeed and NBC………………
Take that to the bank. LOL!
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 18th, 2012
2:41 pm
straitroad – “Either he had poor grades or he applied as a foreign student. My guess is the latter and this would indicate fraud.”
Perhaps you would like an immediate investigation into the admissions practices at Harvard for letting an obvious “fraud” into their hallowed halls.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:42 pm
“WE”
hahahahahaha
Keep it coming. Cheap laughs but you bring them by the dozen
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:42 pm
This is one of my favorites.. A Corpse Man… LOL…
http://youtu.be/ZlKIfzoC8D0
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
2:43 pm
Obama isn’t in any comfortable condition on the electoral map other than the biased Democrat supporter Tanenbaums website.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/election_2012
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
I love how the wheels are coming off the Romney campaign, but the cons don’t seem to notice.
Keep bringin’ the lulz, y’all.
Pizzaman
July 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
If the birthers spent as much time and money as they have on trying to prove this thing we’d have 7% unemployment and a 15,000 Dow. But, since all they can do is subscribe to this pipe dream and have no idea how to save the State or Country, guess we’ll have to put up with this crap till the Supreme Court tells them they are full of ….!
Vote early, vote often!
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
They BOTH suck:
Just making the point that your man is a dunce… Chalking up yet another debate win…
Lord Help Us
July 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
The ‘Sleeping Giant’ is flatlining…
Get the paddles! STAT!
Brosephus™
July 18th, 2012
2:44 pm
Did the ‘Sleeping Giant’ that was awakened following the SCOTUS decision on ACA go back to sleep?
I think the “sleeping giant” is undergoing medical observation to see if he’s narcoleptic or something.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 18th, 2012
2:46 pm
“Ticky Mitt: He’s not a crook… right?.”
What a great tag line…..
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
2:46 pm
Recon — “Obama isn’t in any comfortable condition on the electoral map other than the biased Democrat supporter Tanenbaums website.”
If you don’t like it, he refers you to his christian/Republican competition on his FAQ page. That said, their math works out to be just about the same most of the time. In fact, if you go there today, their math is EXACTLY the same.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Info/general-faq.html#republican
BS Aplenty
July 18th, 2012
2:46 pm
Sununu’s commentary on Obama’s background is very, very legitimate (even more so since I said “…very, very…”). “O” spent several years living in Indonesia during his youth and his father was a Kenyan national – both facts clearly support Sununu’s use of the word “foreign.” Couple that background with O’s economic and social politics which are certainly foreign in that they focus on the socialist/communist notion of “fairness” and not the American Founders focus on the liberty of the human spirit and justice under the law.
No, I think Sununu’s commentary is legitimate political conversation and highlights the fact that O’s policies resonate more so with those who have not found a way to achieve in this land of milk and honey rather than those who don’t live in “Whinersville.”
St Simons
July 18th, 2012
2:46 pm
Rmoney HAS to win Ohio, Florida, N Carolina, and Virginia. 538 says
2/3 chance he won’t win more than 2 of those. He will NOT win all 4.
Game Set Match as we say at de club.
now the Republicans have good accountants/stats too.
I may be the only one, but these numbers hold thru august
I will be shocked if he’s still their nominee in November.
Here we go!
July 18th, 2012
2:47 pm
Definition of insanity anyone? There is a part of me that hopes these birthers scream as loud and long as they can.
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:48 pm
Joseph
Ok. Whatever you say “power broker”.
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 18th, 2012
2:48 pm
Joseph – “Just making the point that your man is a dunce…”
So was Bush, and he still got elected twice. You’re point?
They BOTH suck
July 18th, 2012
2:49 pm
“I will be shocked if he’s still their nominee in November.”
He will still be there.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:49 pm
Obama isn’t in any comfortable condition on the electoral map other than the biased Democrat supporter Tanenbaums website.
hmm. Recon, are you saying that baseball stat-geek-turned-political oddsman Nate Silver (the guy who runs this site) is biased?
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:50 pm
… reason I ask @ 2.49 is that while a 66.8% probability isn’t necessarily what you’d call “comfortable,” it ain’t bad.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 18th, 2012
2:50 pm
I will be shocked if he’s still their nominee in November.
Yeah, me too.
But as far as I can see, he’s the best they got.
So who will they prop up in his place?
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:51 pm
Here’s a great movie for you leftys to watch…
http://youtu.be/cVgPCKbJNxo
Adam
July 18th, 2012
2:51 pm
Attack him on his pitiful record.
What would be in this record of which you speak?
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:52 pm
Maybe this one…
http://youtu.be/hfLsSg9wZlE
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
2:52 pm
St. Simons — “Rmoney HAS to win Ohio, Florida, N Carolina, and Virginia. 538 says
2/3 chance he won’t win more than 2 of those. He will NOT win all 4.
Game Set Match as we say at de club.”
If you assume that Romney will retain every state he’s got in his column as of today, and then add Ohio and Virginia (the two you named that he doesn’t already have), he still comes up short.
Romney’s got to play offense to win, but Obama’s got him playing defense. Obama wins if he can keep the pressure on.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
2:52 pm
Perhaps you would like an immediate investigation into the admissions practices at Harvard for letting an obvious “fraud” into their hallowed halls.
ZING
godless heathen
July 18th, 2012
2:52 pm
Did I miss something monumental? Something of earth shattering importance? The mother of all polls showing the President with a 20% margin?
Libs have gone bat-sheet crazy here today, all but popping the champagne over an assured Obama victory. Last numbers I’ve seen are that it’s a tight race and all the pundits expect it to be tight up until the end. And yes, Mama I’ve seen the electoral map you post here every day, there is a lot of “ifs” in your analysis.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:53 pm
A Corpse Man…
I bet that’s how over half of all Americans would pronounce that word in that context, actually.
It’s an excellent example of right wing poutrage. It was a slip. I guarandamntee you he’s never made that slip again.
(On the other hand, I don’t think GW Bush ever figured out how to say “nuclear.”)
BS Aplenty - I Refuse to Live in "Whinersville"
July 18th, 2012
2:53 pm
If Dems would only spend more time learning to thrive in this Eutopia-on-Earth rather than whine incessantly, you guys would be MILLIONAIRE-ians.
Or something like that.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
2:54 pm
all but popping the champagne over an assured Obama victory.
Well, I sure don’t resemble that remark.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
2:54 pm
2016 should be coming to ATL soon… Sign up libs… It has Obama in it….
Adam
July 18th, 2012
2:55 pm
Recon: FiveThirtyEight, RCP, and Huffington Post all agree that the electoral map looks pretty good for Obama. I suppose they’re all “liberal”? Like how Justice Roberts is now a liberal when he wasn’t before?
Socialist, Marxist, Communist, Liberal. Learn their meanings. Their REAL meanings.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
2:55 pm
SfD — “hmm. Recon, are you saying that baseball stat-geek-turned-political oddsman Nate Silver (the guy who runs this site) is biased?”
No, he’s complaining about Electoral-Vote.com. Cons think it’s biased, but their math comes out *remarkably* close to that of its conservative/christian/republican competition, to which they graciously provide a link on their FAQ page.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Info/general-faq.html#republican
Recon doesn’t have the math chops to refute what the site says, so he tries to trash the guy who runs it. What a shock that *both* sites have exactly the same EV total for the candidates today.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
2:56 pm
G. Heathen — “And yes, Mama I’ve seen the electoral map you post here every day, there is a lot of “ifs” in your analysis.”
Suppose you lay them out for us?
Terrence
July 18th, 2012
2:56 pm
I didn’t know Arpaio was a Hillary supporter. It was, in fact, Hillary supporters who questioned Obama’s citizenship during the 2008 campaign.
Adam
July 18th, 2012
2:57 pm
JHM: No, he’s complaining about Electoral-Vote.com. Cons think it’s biased,
Well whether or not it’s biased, it wasn’t right for the 2010 elections. Nate Silver WAS.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 18th, 2012
2:58 pm
At Simons 2:46
No he only has to win 3 of those 5
Recon 0311 2533
July 18th, 2012
2:59 pm
“In fact, if you go there today, their math is EXACTLY the same.”
Joe, Than you should know that Obama isn’t in a comfortable position. Albeit close, Romney’s ahead in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and tied in Virginia and Iowa. He also leads in Wisconsin, Colorado and is gaining in Pa.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:00 pm
Butch Cassidy (I):
He released his transcripts… Pretty good grades for Harvard…
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:02 pm
Adam — “Well whether or not it’s biased, it wasn’t right for the 2010 elections. Nate Silver WAS.”
EV does a good job for President and Senate elections, not quite so well for the House. Nate Silver does stats, but where he really excels, IMO, is meta-analysis and highlighting methodological and math flaws, so I rely on him as a reality check — he keeps me from relying on flawed pollsters.
For those who want to talk about accuracy, let’s not forget that Rasmussen called one poll FORTY PERCENT OFF; their results for Senator Inouye’s reelection in 2010 were horrendous. That alone ought to discount their work for this entire election cycle, IMO.
Joseph
July 18th, 2012
3:03 pm
I guess the libs have all gone back to their basement homes… It’s getting boring in here.. Especially when you fruits lack the logic to back up any argument….
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
3:03 pm
No, he’s complaining about Electoral-Vote.com.
I know. I kinda wanted Recon’s take on Nate. I was wondering if some on the right side of the aisle figured Nate was a decent statistician, even if they might disagree with him ideologically
(and for what it’s worth, Nate rarely interjects his own personal political take into the conversation. Mostly, he seems to be all about calling a race correctly.)
JKL2
July 18th, 2012
3:03 pm
joe mama- Cons, what was that about the Bain attacks not getting traction?
Good to see your propoganda is working. Power to the sheeple!
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 18th, 2012
3:04 pm
I didn’t know Arpaio was a Hillary supporter. It was, in fact, Hillary supporters who questioned Obama’s citizenship during the 2008 campaign.
I don’t really have to point out the logical FUBARedness of that statement, do I?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:05 pm
Recon — “Joe, Than you should know that Obama isn’t in a comfortable position.”
Dude, given your recent analysis, I know better than to trust you on this.
“Albeit close, Romney’s ahead in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and tied in Virginia and Iowa.”
Nope. Obama’s got Ohio, Virginia and Iowa as of today. Obama can lose any two of those and still win; Romney would have to keep everything he has AND take all three of those states as well.
“He also leads in Wisconsin, Colorado and is gaining in Pa.
Nope. All three in Obama’s column today. Where are you getting your figures?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 18th, 2012
3:06 pm
JKL — “Good to see your propoganda is working. Power to the sheeple!”
Here’s a Kleenex. Clean up your mascara, Sheila.
Tundra Dude
July 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
Obama isn’t in any comfortable condition on the electoral map other than the biased Democrat supporter Tanenbaums website.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/election_2012
Oh, right….from the Rasmussen Institute of Wishful Thinking
Here’s 6 more. The best one for Romney is 240, not enuf to win.
Six Electoral College Projections 2012-07-17
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/17/1110967/-Six-Electoral-College-Projections-2012-07-17
Butch Cassidy (I)
July 18th, 2012
3:07 pm
Soooo…..The GOP wanted a Businessman, Former Governor and Job Creator as their candidate to go up against Obama. Can anyone explain to me why, when they had a choice between Huntsman and Romney, they decided to push the weakest link to the front of the line?
You don't say
July 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
“Where are you getting your figures?”
Probably Rasmussen, who still have Obama in the Electoral lead. Surely isn’t any sort of consensus like it is presented at realclear politics, which includes Rasmussen, Gallup, & I think WSJ.
godless heathen
July 18th, 2012
3:09 pm
Mama: IF Obama wins all the states he’s currently leading in the polls in.