Ga. leaders are reaping what they have sown

Georgia’s business community, led by the Georgia Chamber of Commerce, recognizes that being 49th in the nation in per capita spending on transportation is not a formula for long-term profitability, not in a state so dependent on the efficient movement of goods and people.

That’s why they’ve thrown their full weight behind passage of regional TSPLOSTs around the state. They’ve contributed millions of dollars to fund TV advertising and, using future campaign funds as leverage, have strong-armed normally anti-tax politicians into publicly backing the tax increase. Some have also launched in-house campaigns to rally their own employees to vote in favor of the measure.

Their biggest obstacle, however, is not the Tea Party or the Sierra Club or the state chapter of the NAACP, all of which have come out against TSPLOST passage. Their biggest obstacle is themselves.

Why do I say that? Because in an effort to keep their own tax burdens as low as possible, Georgia business leaders have a long history of preaching that taxes are always destructive, government is always incompetent and untrustworthy and there is no problem that can’t be solved by cutting taxes even lower. Moreover, they have backed politicians and political movements devoted to spreading that message, right down to the signing of pledges promising never ever ever to even consider tax increases.

Now, suddenly, they ask voters to forget all that previous rhetoric and embrace the idea of solving a problem through a new tax? For many Georgia voters, that’s going to take a lot more convincing and sweet-talking than two months of a TV ad campaign can provide.

Let’s also remember that the only reason the public is being forced to vote in the first place on this convoluted fundraising scheme is because elected state leaders were themselves too chicken to challenge the anti-tax mentality that they have helped to create. Rather than take the rational, direct method of funding transportation by raising one of the lowest gasoline taxes in the nation, they shoved that responsibility onto somebody else.

That anti-tax mentality is having consequences in other areas as well. For example, one of the few places where the average citizen interacts directly with state government is the Department of Driver Services, which issues drivers licenses. In recent days, the wait to renew licenses has grown to a frustrating four hours or longer.

The problem is being blamed on new documents being required for issuance of IDs. However, it is compounded by the fact that the Legislature and governor have slashed manpower at the department from 858 personnel in fiscal 2011 to 713 in fiscal 2013. As a consequence, service times in the department had risen significantly long before the additional ID requirements took effect. What you’re seeing at the drivers-licensing offices is a direct result of state leaders continuing to cut taxes even as tax revenues tanked.

And again, we only know about that problem because it is so visible to us. Other functions within state government, from education to transportation to law enforcement, also have to be suffering. Taken too far, the animus against taxes can paralyze government and prevent it from providing functions that are critical for people and businesses both.

If the polls are right, we may see another example of that phenomenon when the voting booths close July 31.

601 comments Add your comment

Simple Truths

July 16th, 2012
7:14 am

Another trip into Jay’s liberal fantasy land… Happy Monday everyone.

Simple Truths

July 16th, 2012
7:22 am

Oh, first. And the foul!

Mr_B

July 16th, 2012
7:30 am

Mornin’ Jay. You pegged this one. Taxes are EEEEEVVVVIIIILLLL! Gubmint is INCOMPETENT!!!!!!!!

We’ve been well schooled.

Johns creek

July 16th, 2012
7:30 am

Vote No on the TSPLOST. listen to the NAACP and Vincent Fort who are both strongly against it.

killerj

July 16th, 2012
7:31 am

Dam I,m up to early,good one Jay I agree with your rant,its just like the prez of this country splitting people down the middle,have a good day.

HDB

July 16th, 2012
7:31 am

Residents of Fulton and DeKalb counties have been paying an additional penny in sales tax for over FORTY YEARS and have had their transportation systems used by those outside those two counties without compensation!! When will the other metro Atlanta counties step up and start contributing to solving Atlanta’s transportation problems..some they have helped to CREATE??? Until then, the residents of Fulton and DeKalb should vote NO!!

Ronnie Raygun

July 16th, 2012
7:36 am

You mean there’s a connection between the taxes we pay and the services we get? Say it ain’t so Jay. I thought Republicans proved back in the 1980s that you can slash taxes and still have all the services by borrowing the money.

Mr_B

July 16th, 2012
7:36 am

“Residents of Fulton and DeKalb counties have been paying an additional penny in sales tax for over FORTY YEARS and have had their transportation systems used by those outside those two counties without compensation!”

For forty years residents and politicians of Metro Atlanta have acted like the rest of the state didn’t exist.

Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn….

American

July 16th, 2012
7:36 am

Reminds me of the book Animal Farm…”TAXES BAD (except those I like)”

ByteMe

July 16th, 2012
7:40 am

the animus against taxes can paralyze government and prevent it from providing functions that are critical for people and businesses both

But that was their plan all along. Same at the Federal level: lower taxes, increase spending and eventually you can paralyze the government with too much debt.

No surprise at this point. This has been building for 30+ years. It’s probably going to take another generation just to get back to “normal”.

HDB

July 16th, 2012
7:41 am

Mr_B

July 16th, 2012
7:36 am

“For forty years residents and politicians of the State of Georgia have acted like the City of Atlanta didn’t exist.”

There….fixed your statement….and maybe you SHOULD give a damn……

ByteMe

July 16th, 2012
7:41 am

For forty years residents and politicians of Metro Atlanta have acted like the rest of the state didn’t exist.

The feeling was mutual. Oh, except for the Gold Club. The politicians from South Bugf*ck used to like that a lot when they came up here once a year to grab all the road money they could for their little slice of low tax Eutopia.

Aquagirl

July 16th, 2012
7:41 am

The free market worshipers are about to find out what a real free market looks like. May they enjoy the fruits of their lunacy.

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
7:42 am

“Residents of Fulton and DeKalb counties have been paying an additional penny in sales tax for over FORTY YEARS and have had their transportation systems used by those outside those two counties without compensation!”

I beg your pardon! You are talking about MARTA only. Every one of the few times I have ridden MARTA I have paid for a ticket (I have not jumped any gates like I see others doing). It is not MY fault if MARTA doesn’t charge enough to make ends meet. I don’t ride MARTA to Braves games because it is just more trouble than it is worth, seeing how MARTA trains don’t go to the stadium. What Dekalb and Fulton counties have been doing for forty years is taxing themselves a penny sales tax so the can subsidize the poor’s use of MARTA. Why should we as outside counties subsidize the poor in Fulton county?

TaxPayer

July 16th, 2012
7:42 am

Read my lips.

independent thinker.

July 16th, 2012
7:42 am

Put more tolls on the highways into Atlanta and magically you have less cars and more money . It works up North. Almost 46.00 to get into NYC. Why not here? People too selfish?

ByteMe

July 16th, 2012
7:44 am

Put more tolls on the highways into Atlanta and magically you have less cars and more money

This my “Plan B” as well. Tool booths right where the 65 mph ends on all highways leading into Atlanta. Charge ‘em $1.00 to come in, nothing to leave. All proceeds go toward improving mass transit within the area so that eventually people stop driving into town.

ByteMe

July 16th, 2012
7:46 am

toll booths, that is. Tool booths??

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
7:46 am

“Ga. leaders are reaping what they have sown”

Jay – I agree with your headline. But you neglected to say what it really meant. Ga leaders are reaping what they have sown when they broke their promise to remove the toll from Ga. 400 when the intial constuction bonds were paid off. That breach of trust has a lot of folks still steaming and not willing to trust them again. See if there is a poll out there asking why people vote against the TSPLOST, I think you will find a significant amopunt say “Ga 400″. I have already voted “NO” and that was one of the big reasons.

jconservative

July 16th, 2012
7:46 am

All I have heard since the “Reagan Revolution” is that cutting taxes solves all problems.

Now “they” want to me to raise my taxes. Bull!

Jay is correct on this one.

ByteMe

July 16th, 2012
7:47 am

Ga leaders are reaping what they have sown when they broke their promise to remove the toll from Ga. 400 when the intial constuction bonds were paid off.

Yeah, I can agree with that. That’s not why I’ll vote “no”, but I can agree with that being a strong consideration for some people.

GT

July 16th, 2012
7:48 am

We start with an uneducated state. You can feed uneducated people anything and they eat it. Part of education is the ability to have efficient management. Get your dollars worth out of the money you spend. One of the reasons Georgia is a leader in bankruptcy, they don’t manages their personal affairs well, then they are asked to make decisions for a state. I can only imagine the “research” that goes into the average voters decision to vote for something. This is where guys like Ralph Reed steal candy from the baby. It is like having the convicts write state law instead of the state legislature.

On the Republican efficiency. I believe a large part of 9/11 was a penny foolish GOP outsourcing the security at our airports to a rag tag security force. Our whole lifestyle was changed and the beginning of this recession started because the Bush administration was going to cook the books and make the American people think they were secure when in reality they were not. These penny fools then went on to spend trillions chasing something they could have stopped for millions if they had had an adult on those gates at those airports.

Bill Orvis White™

July 16th, 2012
7:48 am

I’m urging my Georgia relatives to not only vote NO, but HECK NO. Why? Because any new tax is a boondoggle, pure and simple. This is why every single politician who serves WE THE PEOPLE with common sense needs to sign a pledge that’s dedicated to a pro-family, pro-business, pro-defense agenda. When a leader with character says that He will serve His people that adheres to those aforementioned tenets, then WE THE PEOPLE know whom to vote for in the voting booth.

OK, so now that I have clearly established those facts, it is a fact that every single Socialist-Democrat in all levels of government, is NOT dedicated to the family, business and defense. In other words, Democrat party members have their priorities out of order. Socialist-Democrats are naive secular socialistic people who are out to rip the very fabric that made this once-free nation great.

The TSPLOST idea is to create more mass transit to ship people off into boxcars. I’m sorry, but that reminds me of a guy named Adolph who took away regular folks’ guns and shipped them off to camps just like today’s “modern trains” do in urban US areas, throughout Secular Europe, Chavez’s Latin America and Communist China.

This is all the reason why that TSPLOST needs to be defeated along with every single Socialist-Democrat politician and especially, Hussein Obama.

Amen,
Bill

Jay

July 16th, 2012
7:49 am

Middle, you are absolutely correct about the Ga. 400 tolls. Sonny Perdue’s little scheme stunk to high heaven and has badly undercut the argument in favor of the TSPLOST.

Given the fact that the TSPLOST was in part Perdue’s creation in the first place, a lot of this will be on him.

Aquagirl

July 16th, 2012
7:53 am

Ga leaders are reaping what they have sown when they broke their promise to remove the toll from Ga. 400……..I have already voted “NO” and that was one of the big reasons.

If the T-SPLOST fails of the likely side effects will be an increase in toll roads. If your goal is increasing chances to whine, you’re winning big time.

Frankly I think that’s an unstated goal of a lot of cons so I am not surprised when they shoot themselves in the foot.

curious

July 16th, 2012
7:54 am

I’m voting NO.

Last or almost last in Education, Healthcare, Transportation, etc.
At least we’re near the top in Bank Failures and foreclosures.

We’re winning the “race to the bottom”.

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
7:55 am

“This my “Plan B” as well. Tool booths right where the 65 mph ends on all highways leading into Atlanta. Charge ‘em $1.00 to come in, nothing to leave. All proceeds go toward improving mass transit within the area so that eventually people stop driving into town.”

That is smart – charge people for what we have already paid for with our gasoline tax – then divert the money over to subsidizing the poor on a different system that we never use! How about this – you set up your toll and we give you no more proceeds from the gas tax? Sound good? Then you can use the toll money for MARTA and let your roads go to h*ll.

ideasbm

July 16th, 2012
7:58 am

Jay,
I am glad you see taxes and those that impose them are evil. By the way do any of you liberal geeks on here know that next year a sales tax will be imposed on the sale of your home at 3.78%. What do you think this Obama tax will fund??? Roads, no. Housing, no. Military, no. Education, no. It will be used to fund free health care for all. In Obamacare. See how taxes can be put in bills that people have to pass before they read them and the Supreme Court who says, YOU EXPECT US TO READ THIS 13,000 PAGES???

Citizen of the World

July 16th, 2012
7:59 am

Middle of the Road @7:42, it’s not just the poor who ride MARTA, although they do ride it more, and it does not serve them as well as it could if it went more places. And it keeps a lot of cars off the roads, which helps those who drive like you. And keeping a lot of cars off the roads keeps a lot of pollution out of the air, so you benefit that way, too. We all benefit directly and indirectly from public transportation, just as we do from roads we don’t personally use. We need better transportation infrastructure in this area, and anyone who doesn’t see that isn’t looking out for their own best interest. Vote YES for TSPLOST and let’s get this show on the road!

curious

July 16th, 2012
7:59 am

Better increase the toll.

By the time our leaders get through with hiring the administrators of the toll and installing the infrastructure to put in the toll booths, we’ll have to have an additional tax to pay the costs.

Mighty Righty

July 16th, 2012
7:59 am

Jay, try to keep up with how tax increases are doing in the entire country. Voters opposing new taxes is neither unique to nor recent to Georgia or anywhere else. We the people have had it with governent spending. Here is a real simple way to generate revenue for a new project. Take the money from something else. This state has more gasoline tax income per capita than almost any other state because of Geogia’s unique keystone position to Florida. We have more than enough money to maintain our roads and build new ones without every single Georgian donating one percent of their income to the state.

Thomas Heyward Jr.

July 16th, 2012
7:59 am

If the TSplush goes down in flames……………overwelmingly,
then there is hope for Georgia.
.
Even for Obama/Romney supporters.
.
Vote out our two big-spending progs Saxby and Isackson and…….It will be morning in our State………………again.

TaxPayer

July 16th, 2012
7:59 am

Caterpillar should have picked a spot closer to a rail line of navigable river or expressway. Nathan may have to look elsewhere for funds to meet their transportation needs.

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
8:00 am

Here is a novel idea – leave things exactly like they are! If you build more roads, they just clog up with more cars. So let people decide if they want to sit in congestion as a reward for that high-paying job in Atlanta. Maybe some businesses will look at the congestion and do what they should – move their businesses out to the suburbs where people want to live anyway.

carlosgvv

July 16th, 2012
8:00 am

“Their biggest obstacle is themselves”

And, Georgia politicians will be the biggest obstacle to T-SPLOST being approved, because of their penchant for taking tax money meant for specific projects and using it as their private pork fund.

TaxPayer

July 16th, 2012
8:03 am

When does that new Georgia sales tax on private owner vehicle sales take effect and what have our politicians decided to spend that money on?

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
8:04 am

“And it keeps a lot of cars off the roads, which helps those who drive like you. And keeping a lot of cars off the roads keeps a lot of pollution out of the air, so you benefit that way, too.”

I DON’T drive into Atlanta but rarely. Maybe to see a Braves game once a year. If MARTA is that great, just increase the fares to make it self-supporting. Oh, I forgot, those poor.

TaxPayer

July 16th, 2012
8:05 am

Did Georgia ever start using that tire disposal fee to dispose of tires?

Jay

July 16th, 2012
8:05 am

“By the way do any of you liberal geeks on here know that next year a sales tax will be imposed on the sale of your home at 3.78%.

No, they don’t know that, mainly because it isn’t true in the first place. Just another half-cocked myth concocted by the right.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/realestate.asp

Jay

July 16th, 2012
8:06 am

Carlos, no personal insults please.

Citizen of the World

July 16th, 2012
8:06 am

Jay, a lot of the posters on this blog are proving your point. They have been fully and irrevocably indoctrinated to think any and all taxes are bad and no government can be trusted.

I like how the leaders they choose pander to them by saying the government can’t create jobs, yet they try to get elected to a government job every few years or so. And that government is the problem, yet they want to be part of the problem. And that Washington is out of touch, yet they want to go to Washington. What hypocrites.

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
8:07 am

“Caterpillar should have picked a spot closer to a rail line of navigable river or expressway.”

Do you really think Caterpillar ships a lot of their product by WATER? Caterpillar did exactly correct, go to a place outside of Atlanta. More businesses should do this.

Aquagirl

July 16th, 2012
8:07 am

I DON’T drive into Atlanta but rarely.

Good thing smog magically stops at 285.

carlosgvv

July 16th, 2012
8:07 am

Jay – 8:06

I’m just being honest.

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
8:09 am

“Did Georgia ever start using that tire disposal fee to dispose of tires?”

Good point, Taxpayer!

Jay

July 16th, 2012
8:09 am

No, you’re being insulting. There’s a difference.

JohnnyReb

July 16th, 2012
8:10 am

What a mystery the Liberal DNA.

Never reduce spending; always increase taxes. Higher taxes is their answer to everything.

Even with increasing taxes, when TSPOST fails, look no further than the self-interest project list being peddled as regional improvements.

Recon 0311 2533

July 16th, 2012
8:10 am

stands for decibels

July 16th, 2012
8:11 am

Their biggest obstacle is themselves.

yeah, these terrorist organizations make it difficult for me to vote for TSPLOST.

I will vote for it, mind you, because sometimes you just have to take a sh-tty deal when it’s the best one to be offered.

HDB

July 16th, 2012
8:11 am

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
7:42 am

If you check the preponderance of license plates at Indian Creek/Kensington/Hamilton Holmes/Doraville/Chamblee/College Park stations, you’d discover that those passengers come from OUTSIDE the Fulton/DeKalb areas! It’s not the poor that are being subsidized by Fulton/DeKalb …it’s the SUBURBAN COMMUTERS that do not pay to park….and pay the same fares as those who live in the two-county MARTA zone!!

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
8:11 am

“Good thing smog magically stops at 285.”

If smog were the issue, that could be cured with stronger emissions testing and penalties and get those 20-year-old cars off the road. I drive a Prius, so it isn’t my emissions that are creating the smog.

TaxPayer

July 16th, 2012
8:12 am

Do you really think Caterpillar ships a lot of their product by WATER?

Last time I checked, there were no land routes between the US and China.

stands for decibels

July 16th, 2012
8:12 am

Just another half-cocked myth concocted by the right.

and spread by liars like this — oh, eff him, I’m not even going to mention the liar’s current screen handle, it’ll be something else later today.

Georgia on my mind...

July 16th, 2012
8:13 am

Why would the people of this state want to contribute any more money to an administration that has Governor Nathan Deal who once was rated as the most “Corrupt Congressman”? If history serves this state right, contracts have already been granted within the “buddy system” and they are waiting for those one cent TSPLOST funds to come in. This state does not have enough diversity when it comes to an ALL Republican elected admin. I will be voting NO and most of the people that I know will vote the same. I can spend my pennies elsewhere!!

curious

July 16th, 2012
8:14 am

And the leader of the left says

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/15/obama-dashes-american-dream-suggests-nobody-achieves-success-alone/

Recon,

Got any examples?
Even Adam had Eve. Jesus had his disciples and Herman Cain had some pimply faced kid actually making those Pizzas.

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
8:14 am

“it’s the SUBURBAN COMMUTERS that do not pay to park….and pay the same fares as those who live in the two-county MARTA zone!!”

So if they are not paying their fair share, THEN RAISE FARES TO MAKE MARTA PAY FOR ITSELF.

stands for decibels

July 16th, 2012
8:14 am

Residents of Fulton and DeKalb counties have been paying an additional penny in sales tax for over FORTY YEARS and have had their transportation systems used by those outside those two counties without compensation!!

A just TSPLOST would exempt those counties from contributing, (or at least from contributing fully–maybe just a half-cent?) of course.

But this is the sh-tty deal we’re being offered.

Misty Fyed

July 16th, 2012
8:15 am

I can’t argue that the republicans think a tax break cures all ills…..but in fairness, liberal have never seen a problem taxing someone else can’t fix.

JohnnyReb

July 16th, 2012
8:15 am

Liberalspeak

Someone please tell me who is feeding Aaron Sorkin the material for Newsroom?

I watched a little of one show over the weekend and thought I was reading Moonbats on this blog.

stands for decibels

July 16th, 2012
8:15 am

please stop posting “make MARTA pay for itself.” No transit system on the planet worth a damn “pays for itself”–they’re all subsidized, to some extent.

HDB

July 16th, 2012
8:16 am

Recon 0311 2533

July 16th, 2012
8:10 am

He’s right, you know…..and your point being????
I know that my success was built on the shoulders of my predecessors….as was yours!!

Jay

July 16th, 2012
8:17 am

And sfd, no road system — right down to the street on which you live — pays for itself either.

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
8:17 am

“Last time I checked, there were no land routes between the US and China.”

Then I guess they should have built their plant in Savannah? I am sure they took a lot of factors into consideration in locating their plant. Two of those were probably schools and crime. That is probably why they are not in Atlanta.

stands for decibels

July 16th, 2012
8:19 am

Other functions within state government, from education to transportation to law enforcement, also have to be suffering. Taken too far, the animus against taxes can paralyze government and prevent it from providing functions that are critical for people and businesses both.

if only the terrorists responsible for this stupidity actually suffered, themselves, in some tangible way as a result. But they never do. Their businesses declare bankruptcy and they, themselves, move on to some new scam, somewhere else.

(Sometimes they move on the Guvnuh’s office of course.)

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
8:19 am

“please stop posting “make MARTA pay for itself.” No transit system on the planet worth a damn “pays for itself”–they’re all subsidized, to some extent.”

Why must they be subsidized?

Butch Cassidy (I)

July 16th, 2012
8:19 am

JohnnyReb – ” Higher taxes is their answer to everything.”

Just curious, as a business owner, are you not upset that your SUTA taxes had to increase to 2.88% retroactively to 1/1/2012 due to Perdue lowering them years ago because of the surplus in the UI fund? Do you not think it would have been appropriate to re-establish the SUTA rate when the economy tanked and the state began borrowing money from the Fed to the tune of $750,000,000 dollars in order to maintain the UI fund?

GT

July 16th, 2012
8:19 am

You have to wonder how Georgia can dip into the funds for tires and Hope Scholarships for the sundry purposes of this state, not voted on ,yet they bring this to the voting booth.

Terrence

July 16th, 2012
8:20 am

stands for decibels

July 16th, 2012
8:20 am

And sfd, no road system — right down to the street on which you live — pays for itself either.

Try explaining that to these morons.

Go ahead. I’ve tried, it’s really not worth the effort.

(something like 97:1 odds that Al Gore’s failure to kayak to Sweden rather than fly, to pick up his Nobel prize, will be invoked at some point in the proceedings, so there’s that…)

ByteMe

July 16th, 2012
8:20 am

THEN RAISE FARES TO MAKE MARTA PAY FOR ITSELF.

YEAH!! Like every other major metro area transit systems!!!

Oh… wait. They don’t pay for themselves. Just like roads don’t pay for themselves. Or airports. ALL major modes of transportation receive subsidies to their collected fees.

Fly-On-The-Wall

July 16th, 2012
8:21 am

Even though is stinks this must pass otherwise there won’t be a politican for another generation that will bring forward any bill to help resolve our traffic/infrastructure issues.

As for the Tea Party types, I do not consider this a bad tax if WE THE PEOPLE are voting on it instead of our duly elected representatives. But then again, it should have been our duly elected reps because we elect them to do this very type of work for WE THE PEOPLE.

Aquagirl

July 16th, 2012
8:22 am

If smog were the issue, that could be cured with stronger emissions testing and penalties

You’re not supporting big-government intervention, are you? It’s our God-given right to drive a Supergasfart 3000, dammit. Help, help, I’m being repressed!

Wait ’til the UN makes you buy that Prius, you’ll be sorry.

barking frog

July 16th, 2012
8:22 am

SPLOST of any kind is a good
idea poorly executed.
Grow or Die is not a good
philosophy to adhere to in
urban planning. Adjusting
beginning and ending work
schedules and tax credits
for telecommuting can
ease congestion. Construction from TSPLOST
could turn Georgia and
Atlanta into a 10 year
“big dig” and make congestion much worse.

ByteMe

July 16th, 2012
8:23 am

Why must they be subsidized?

It’s called “the commons”. It’s like free parks. No one directly pays for them, but everyone benefits even if they don’t use them. Commerce is improved by spreading the costs to those who don’t use the commons, just because indirectly they DO use them.

I don’t drive to work. But my business is vastly improved because everyone else CAN drive to work. So indirectly, I should pay for that as well.

Hard to get your mind around, I know.

JohnnyReb

July 16th, 2012
8:23 am

Hello Butch – yes, I agree the rate should have been raised sooner. Plus, I was not in favor of the extended weeks.

stands for decibels

July 16th, 2012
8:23 am

Why must they be subsidized?

Because EVERY form of transport is subsidized. Including our pwecious fweedom to drive filth-belching personal vehicles back and forth to our jerbs.

Jay is going to patiently explain it to you, I believe, in some more detail.

TaxPayer

July 16th, 2012
8:24 am

I might be in favor of the TSPLOST tax if they made some minor changes–eliminate the taxation of food and medicine and add taxation of motor fuels.

stands for decibels

July 16th, 2012
8:24 am

Anyway, I can see this is just getting me PO’d, and not helping matters, so I think I’ll bail for awhile. Later, kids.

curious

July 16th, 2012
8:24 am

The title of this column says it all.

Our Conservatives have hammered home the idea taxes are evil. It must’ve worked; even the Liberals are against this one.

ByteMe

July 16th, 2012
8:25 am

even the Liberals are against this one.

You make it sound like they’re the same monolith that the conservatives are.

Oh, wait… neither really are….

ByteMe

July 16th, 2012
8:26 am

Ok, off to do real work. Be nice to each other!

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

July 16th, 2012
8:27 am

And after all our crazy leaders have done for us, we’re all so better off! We must be the 1st state in the nation in something? Per Capita Income? Education? Quality of Life? Health Care?

Oh tell me the Republican leadership isn’t as bad as Jay puts on??

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 16th, 2012
8:28 am

It does seem ironic that TSPLOST is being advertised as “job creating”….. How silly, right cons?

Willie

July 16th, 2012
8:28 am

Jay is, as usual, out to lunch. Its always someone’s fault who does not see that more and more power and control to the state will solve all of our problems. Jay wants us all to be dependent serfs of the elite few who are wise enough to control the government for the rest of us who are just too dumb, too simple to actually think for ourselves.
It must be hard to be Jay. For him the solution…more and more power to the state…is such an obvious solution and so right, so close and yet so far away.
The idea that people don’t like the projects in the proposal, that they don’t believe this program will fix their traffic nightmares simply does not matter to Jay. Jay does not care that people don’t trust our leadership with another multi billion dollar pile of money. Jay does not care that it will take money from my family and yours as long as his precious government can have more and more power.

AU Liberal in ATL

July 16th, 2012
8:29 am

If the moronic members of congress would just pass the President’s Jobs Bill we wouldn’t even need to have this TSPLOST discussion.
I won’t be voting for it. Georgia is a bright red ,no new taxes, republican state. Let the bright red, no new taxes, republicans use their superior intelligence to come up with solutions to these issues.
Vote NO July 31.

Mr_B

July 16th, 2012
8:29 am

YOU EXPECT US TO READ THIS 13,000 PAGES???

Uh, no; only about 906. Lots of white space on the pages, really wide margins, looks a lot like what one of my students turns in if they think I’m concerned with page count rather than content. Sorry, but there aren’t any pictures.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ148/pdf/PLAW-111publ148.pdf

GT

July 16th, 2012
8:29 am

Did anyone see the audit on the Iraq war last week? Billions wasted or stolen or unaccounted for.

Aquagirl

July 16th, 2012
8:31 am

Why must they be subsidized?

Oh sweet jeebus.

#readabookalready

curious

July 16th, 2012
8:31 am

Wait until the report on Afghanistan comes out. It won’t be pretty.

Jay

July 16th, 2012
8:32 am

We shouldn’t fight any war that doesn’t pay for itself, GT.

dbm

July 16th, 2012
8:32 am

Aquagirl

July 16th, 2012
7:41 am

It won’t be a true free market.

Improper laws will still be on the books, and businesses will still have to worry about being prosecuted eventually if they exercise their rights in defiance of those laws.

Tbe tbreat of future improper interference will still have a chilling effect on business, even if there is a period without it.

Before government completely drops all of the improper interferences (restrictions, demands, subsidies, what have you), it will probably cut back some on some of its proper functions, such as acting against theft and fraud.

Georgia on my mind...

July 16th, 2012
8:33 am

GT

July 16th, 2012
8:29 am

Do you have a link to that? Billions wasted and Mitt wants to let Detroit go bankrupt! It is time to rebuild America!

ty webb

July 16th, 2012
8:34 am

“We shouldn’t fight any war that doesn’t pay for itself”

I second that…and it goes double for the ridiculous “War on Drugs”.

TaxPayer

July 16th, 2012
8:36 am

On a different note:

When Congress passed the health care law, it required members of Congress to get their insurance on exchanges with the rest of the public. But in voting to repeal that law, Republicans and a handful of Democrats were also voting go back to the old system where the lawmakers get a sweeter deal than most of the rest of the country.

They also voted against a Democratic motion that said members of Congress who support repealing the health care law must also repeal the good stuff they get, such as lifetime care and insurance regardless of pre-existing conditions.

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
8:36 am

“Because EVERY form of transport is subsidized. Including our pwecious fweedom to drive filth-belching personal vehicles back and forth to our jerbs”

I take exception to the opinion that “every” form of transportation is subsidized, including roads. Sure, roads are paid for with taxes, some of which are gas taxes, some are property taxes, some are sales taxes. But we don’t give “subsidies” to the poor to make it easier for them to buy cars to drive on those roads. The only “road subsidies” are those developmental roads to nowhere in south Georgia that rarely have a car drive on them.

TSPLOST is asking me to pay hundreds of dollars a year to help pay for things I will almost never use. Why not make those who actually USE these things pay for them. If you want to put up a toll road at 285, go ahead. I will then choose whether to visit Atlanta or go somewhere else with my money. That sounds fair to me.

barking frog

July 16th, 2012
8:37 am

Jay 8:32
Excellent philosophy. Iraq
should be paying now.
Germany and it’s allies
should have paid for
WW2.

JohnnyReb

July 16th, 2012
8:37 am

TSPLOST will loose at the ballot because of timing, the project list, and Fulton and Dekalb already paying the extra penny.

TSPLOST like the second marriage, may be better the second time around.

First, you wait till the timing is right. None of this “we must do it now.” A pretty girl is always just around the corner whether you are 25 or 45.

A state run transportation authority that includes taking over MARTA and renaming it would be a good start. Eliminating the current penny for Fulton and Dekalb should be near the top of the to-do list. Either everyone is in as a regional/state priority or not.

MiltonMan

July 16th, 2012
8:39 am

Jay I actually agree with you on raising the gas tax.

However, the Federal Real ID act is the true culprit here not the state of Georgia.

TaxPayer

July 16th, 2012
8:39 am

Wars were historically paid for through pillaging. Clearly, we need to reassess our reasons for going to war. First and foremost, we must only wage war on countries with something worth pillaging. That said, whatever happened to our Iraqi oil.

middle of the road

July 16th, 2012
8:40 am

“We must be the 1st state in the nation in something?”

I think we are close to first in teenage pregnancy. Maybe property crime. Maybe most high school drop-outs.

Come on, say it! We’re Number One!