American history, as told through the two Romneys
The political debate continues to be dominated by questions involving GOP nominee Mitt Romney and his financial history, more particularly his refusal to release any tax information other than his 2010 return and an estimate of his 2011 taxes.
The decision to withhold the information has begun to perplex even conservative pundits such as William Kristol (”It’s crazy”) to George Will (”He must have calculated that there are higher costs in releasing them).” In many cases, unflattering comparisons are being drawn between Romney and his father, George, who as a candidate for the GOP nomination in 1968 began the modern practice of tax disclosure by releasing 12 years of his returns.
While that debate rages, I thought it might be interesting to study what we know of the two Romneys not for what it might tell us about their character, openness, etc., but about the time and place in which each man lived.
Take a look at the thumbnail financial descriptions posted on the right. The younger Romney, as a passive, non-working investor now drawing upon his success at Bain Capital, collected income in 2010 amounting to 439 times the median household income of his fellow Americans.
His father, during a 12-year period in which he mainly worked as chairman and president of American Motors, earned an average annual income that was 44 times that of the median household income of his fellow Americans. Adjusted for inflation, his average income of $247,743 in 1965 dollars would be $1.7 million today.
In the ’50s and ’60s, a period considered the economic heyday of a free and capitalist post-war America, George Romney paid 37 percent of his income in federal taxes.
By 2010, Romney’s son paid a total of 13.9 percent of his income in federal taxes, this in an America that is supposedly well on its way to becoming a socialist state, with a confiscatory federal government intent on stealing the wealth of its highest earners.
Reality, in other words, directly contradicts mythology, but with little apparent effect. The fact that the “socialist” meme not only survives but thrives despite its obvious absurdity is, I would argue, testimony to the perception-altering power of propaganda. Or as the elder Romney might put it, a case of brainwashing.
– Jay Bookman
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Robert
July 16th, 2012
4:25 pm
and Jay is flat out lying. He is comparing George Romney’s income tax to Mitt’s capital gains tax. Mitt has already paid income tax on that money
josef
July 16th, 2012
4:27 pm
Mitt ain’t his Daddy’s boy in more than just this…not saying anything against his Mama, mind you, I just think he’s a foundling.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 16th, 2012
4:28 pm
Robert — “and Jay is flat out lying”
Rowbairt, insulting one’s host is never wise online.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 16th, 2012
4:30 pm
WEALTH ENVY!
Just thought I’d get that over with early on.
Erwin's cat
July 16th, 2012
4:30 pm
Could be that there is nothing in those income tax returns and he’s use it as a red herring distraction much like the Obama birth certificate…what will you do when he releases the 23yrs he gave McCain and there’s no smoking gun?
josef
July 16th, 2012
4:31 pm
CAT
Would be funny, wouldn’t it?
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
4:34 pm
EC
It is game playing time and they are all playing.
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
4:34 pm
Smoking guns. Mushroom clouds. Smouldering embers. Lies. Deceit. Obfuscation. Keep digging, Mitt. You’ll get there eventually.
Fred ™
July 16th, 2012
4:36 pm
Yawn. Another hatchet job on Romney.
Really? Yo Jay, instead of following the talk radio lead of trashing a candidate, why don’t you regale us with Obama’s virtues instead?
You are starting to sound like that idiot Sean Hannity and his “Stop
HillaryObama Express.You gonna start trying to scare us all next like the Republicans do?
After this I really DO need a beer. Later all.
They both: If you didn’e see it, I left you a message (and tune, montage) downstairs.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 16th, 2012
4:36 pm
E. Cat — “Could be that there is nothing in those income tax returns and he’s use it as a red herring distraction much like the Obama birth certificate…what will you do when he releases the 23yrs he gave McCain and there’s no smoking gun?”
My wife and I were discussing that very point over the weekend, but we concluded that there *had* to be something damaging in them — otherwise, why would McCain have chosen Palin over Romney as a running mate? Romney had a full term as Governor under his belt, had managed a much larger budget, had extensive business experience (so we’ve been told), and we just couldn’t see what Palin had over all that EXCEPT for her gender.
Either McCain was more desperate than we’ve been led to believe or else there really is something damaging in the tax returns. Or maybe both.
Aquagirl
July 16th, 2012
4:37 pm
Mitt has already paid income tax on that money
Well, you can guess he did, but since we didn’t see the previous tax returns that’s an assumption on your part.
Fred ™
July 16th, 2012
4:37 pm
Oh, and why in the hell should a candidates privacy be invaded by showing his tax returns? It’s nobody’s damn business.
arnold
July 16th, 2012
4:37 pm
I have not seen the nationalization of any private enterprise. Why the worry about socialism?
Jay
July 16th, 2012
4:37 pm
Robert is entitled to express his opinion. He’s also entitled to be wrong, of course, and in this case he is making full use of that right.
For example, much of the elder Romney’s income in those years was also capital gains, in the form of stock options from AMC.
In addition, much of the younger Romney’s income is NOT capital gains, but rather income that he earned as commission in his private equity business that through the carried interest loophole is misclassified as capital gains.
Third, the “they already paid corporate tax” argument would be much stronger if so many corporations had not, in fact, paid taxes.
Fourth, the extremely favored treatment given capital gains in the modern tax code is part of the basic point of the comparison in the first place.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 16th, 2012
4:38 pm
Fred — “Oh, and why in the hell should a candidates privacy be invaded by showing his tax returns? It’s nobody’s damn business.”
Read Jay’s piece.
Blame Romney’s dad for starting the practice.
Brosephus™
July 16th, 2012
4:38 pm
Jay
I don’t think you’re looking at history from the correct perspective on this one. On the surface, they are both one and the same. They are capitalists who are/were good at what they did during their era in US history. The real story is the de-evolution of what we call capitalism. During the elder Romney’s period, capitalist did not bite the hand that fed them, i.e. they understood and realized that a strong country allowed them to benefit from their endeavors. Nowadays, the top class has taken capitalism hostage and removed most all teeth that protected the system from greed. The current idea of “every man for himself” would not have been welcomed back in the earlier days when capitalism was at it’s best.
carlosgvv
July 16th, 2012
4:40 pm
George Romney had to work his way up the financial ladder to make it to the top.
Mitt was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and, as such, hasen’t a clue as to what sort of financial cares average Americans have. He went to the best schools, had the best clothes, the best cars, in short – the best of everything.
It’s not suprising that his true allegiance is to the rich, since these people are the only ones he’s ever really known or identified with.
So, if you want a President of the rich, by the rich and for the rich, vote for Romney.
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Lucifer
July 16th, 2012
4:40 pm
Robert: Calling someone a “liar.” Where’s your manners?
kitty
July 16th, 2012
4:41 pm
The difference between Obama’s BC and Romney’s tax returns is no one has certified Romney’s tax returns have no smoking gun pointed at them. I agree with George Will…what in the world is he hiding? Much ado about nothing if there is nothing damaging there and he won’t release them just to be…what?…ornery? He could let the air out of Obama’s balloon by releasing them if there is nothing there and make a big deal about it. But Romney is sure putting up a fuss about them.
josef
July 16th, 2012
4:42 pm
Fred
I agree with you for Joe Citizen, but when you’re running for public office, no go. I want to know how much you make, where it came from, how much tax did you pay and to whom are you beholden.
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
4:42 pm
Jay, this attack isn’t resonating with the voters. The national polls have barely moved and Obama has spent over 100 mil on various attack ad’s since April. I found it laughable that some of your guys downstairs are finding false solace in the electoral map at this early date. The state polls won’t reveal anything significant until September. The Obama campaign is urinating into a strong head wind running these ads with their false allegations and it may backfire severely as the economy is expecting further deterioration.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
4:43 pm
1. Mitt didn’t write the tax code, our current and former presidents and congresses did
2. Individual tax rates are meaningless since all the corporate taxes paid by mitt are not seen
3. This is because mitt is an investor and George was a wage earner
4. So mitt is likely paying a higher effective rate than his dad if his investments are in stocks, but you can’t tell that from personal tax returns
Conclusion: jays blog post not accurate or detailed enough to be relevant to the dialogue about tax rates
Road Scholar
July 16th, 2012
4:43 pm
Jay there you go again….facts! And you know the conserves heads would explode…but…but…but…like a ticking time bomb!
N-GA
July 16th, 2012
4:43 pm
Looks like Robert is not coming out for Round 2……..
kitty
July 16th, 2012
4:44 pm
Brosephus: “The current idea of “every man for himself” would not have been welcomed back in the earlier days when capitalism was at it’s best.”
The earlier days of capitalism right after WWII came after the country came together to fight for its very survival. The attitude was “one for all and all for one”…now it is “Give me mine and get out of my way. Who cares about you?” That in itself dooms us to destruction IMO.
kayaker 71
July 16th, 2012
4:44 pm
Why is Romney’s wealth so much of a liberal issue. John Kerry and his wife were, and are, worth over 750M. The Kennedys worth a whole lot more. Nancy Pelosi is worth close to 50M. Bill Gates is the richest liberal in the land. Warren Buffett has gazillions of dollars, even John Edwards is estimated to have close to 50M in the bank. We can’t have a rich president? Sure could have fooled me.
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
4:44 pm
After they bought GST Steel, “Mitt Romney and his partners loaded it with debt, closed the Kansas City plant and walked away with a healthy profit, leaving hundreds of employees out of work with their pensions in jeopardy.”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 16th, 2012
4:44 pm
During the elder Romney’s period, capitalist did not bite the hand that fed them, i.e. they understood and realized that a strong country allowed them to benefit from their endeavors. Nowadays, the top class has taken capitalism hostage and removed most all teeth that protected the system from greed.
Goes back to the concept of skyboxification that I heard a few weeks ago. Even back in the “good old days” the difference in price of the cheapest seats at a ball game and the most expensive seats wasn’t that much and the rain fell on everyone.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
July 16th, 2012
4:47 pm
When asked whether he would have signed the recent National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, the traitor-wanna-be Romney said, “I would have signed.”
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The Traitor Obama DID sign it.
.
So much for the protection of what’s really important – the inalienable rights of American citizens.
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Pay no attention to this.
.
LOOK!……………….there goes a crony-capitalist billionaire.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
4:48 pm
George Romney was CEO earning wage income from before 1955 until 1962
Please reboot analysis Jay
zeke
July 16th, 2012
4:49 pm
if obama’s ads not resonating why are george will & kristol and others peeing their pants
Jay
July 16th, 2012
4:49 pm
I also find it interesting to see bloggers who have harped on Timothy Geithner’s previous tax problems turn around and insist that there is no need whatsoever to give the same level of scrutiny to candidates for president.
Total transparency for a Cabinet secretary, but none for the guy who hires and fires him? Do you guys even hear yourselves?
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
4:49 pm
Romney’s self-claimed experience in creating US jobs has been brought into question and Romney’s use of off-shore accounts has been brought into question and Romney’s unusually high 401k value has been brought into question… His wealth. It seems that cons are more interested in that aspect, likely as yet another attempt to divert from the more important issues.
Lucifer
July 16th, 2012
4:49 pm
Here, Here, Carlos. Voters get the government they deserve. If Romney gets in, his fat cat friends will greatly benefit. Those in the middle-class will become fewer, and then Romney, et. al., will pull the rug out from under the once middle-class, now the poor, by eliminating Social Security, Medicare and other important government programs. However, if the rich aren’t careful and get too greedy too fast, even the dim bulbs among us might eventually catch on and begin a movement to take government back — by any means available.
Brosephus™
July 16th, 2012
4:50 pm
Kam
I think I saved that article back when you first brought that term here. That’s a very valid observation of today’s society. I can only imagine how historians will describe this era.
N-GA
July 16th, 2012
4:50 pm
Jay….I agree with you and think Romney should disclose his financials. One could conclude that he might have income from Bain that conflicts with his denials that he stopped working there in February, 2002. On the other hand, the highest FIT rate in 1960 was 91% while the highest FIT rate now is 35%. The capital gains rate was 20% (I believe) then and is 15% now. I don’t know if tax law in 1960 had a carried interest loophole. In order to make a real comparison we would need to apply the same rates to the inflation-adjusted dollars, no?
scott
July 16th, 2012
4:50 pm
439 times the median income paid only 13.9 percent in taxes and poor georgia rednecks will vote for him anyway knowing fools well he dont have their best interest in mind ..just keep voting your interst away ..the RICH IS GETTING RICHER THE GEORGIA REDNECK IS GETTING POORER
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
4:50 pm
Pelosi is rich from insider trading
She should be in jail
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 16th, 2012
4:50 pm
LOOK!……………….there goes a crony-capitalist billionaire.
LOOK!……………….There goes a CIA Predator drone to attack a Wisconsin wedding.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
July 16th, 2012
4:51 pm
Sorry folks, even the staunch righties I know want to see decades of tax returns.
They may be conservative.
They may be Republican.
They ain’t stupid.
They know something is fishy.
Jay
July 16th, 2012
4:51 pm
In 1963 alone, George had total income of $566,000, more than $500,000 of which was capital gains, dividends, interest, etc. So your attempted diversion is groundless.
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
4:51 pm
What’s in Box 26 of Romney’s long form 1040. Just kidding. I couldn’t care less about Box 26.
Sean
July 16th, 2012
4:52 pm
The real question here is should people with just trade stocks pay a lower tax rate.
I can see having a lower tax rate if you are “investing” in a company.. but in todays world of stock trading,the only time people are truly investing in a company is when they buy at the initial offering ( or secondary etc ). At these times, the company is actually getting $$ the buyers paid for the company’s shares. The company and then uses this money to help their business out. All other trades are just gambling and the company doesnt get a cut.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 16th, 2012
4:53 pm
Recon — “Jay, this attack isn’t resonating with the voters. The national polls have barely moved and Obama has spent over 100 mil on various attack ad’s since April.”
Okay, then you won’t mind if the Obama camp ‘wastes’ some more money on this line of attack, then, will you?
“I found it laughable that some of your guys downstairs are finding false solace in the electoral map at this early date.”
I find it laughable that know-nothing-about-stats-you is trying to make assertions about something you don’t even appear to understand.
“The state polls won’t reveal anything significant until September. The Obama campaign is urinating into a strong head wind running these ads with their false allegations and it may backfire severely as the economy is expecting further deterioration.”
Again, so you won’t mind if they keep on with what they’re doing, right?
Lucifer
July 16th, 2012
4:54 pm
I can see Romney throwing a tantrum like a spoiled child when he loses this election. All his life he has had things handed to him and has enjoyed the best of everything. But he has his heart set on the presidency. He won’t be happy until he rules over all of us. Sadly for him, he’s headed toward a big disappointment.
josef
July 16th, 2012
4:55 pm
SCOTT
Just a question: if it’s the Georgia redneck who’s being singled out here as the dumbass…are we to conclude that around half the voting population of the United States of America are Georgia rednecks? Get real, Pombo, this is not something specific to Georgia and one socio-economic class of its (or any other state’s) population. You just want to act superior and such terms as “redneck” give you your tag. You sound for all the world like the conservative right with their “those people” slurs.
Erwin's cat
July 16th, 2012
4:55 pm
JHM – Either McCain was more desperate than we’ve been led to believe or else there really is something damaging in the tax returns.
I would find it hard to believe Mitt’s team didn’t anticipate an attack on his wealth.
I’d say McCain was that desperate and swinging for the fences, obviously McCain didn’t pick a VP based on qualifications
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
4:55 pm
“oters get the government they deserve. If Romney gets in, his fat cat friends will greatly benefit. ”
Wrong- a rich man can’t be bought
Aquagirl
July 16th, 2012
4:55 pm
Pelosi is rich from insider trading
Boy, Jay has hit a nerve today. Liar! Capital gains! Invasion of privacy! Nancy Pelosi!
The kitchen sink is next.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 16th, 2012
4:56 pm
K71 — “Why is Romney’s wealth so much of a liberal issue. John Kerry and his wife were, and are, worth over 750M.”
Just so you’re clear on this, John Kerry and his wife file separately and have for years. But SHE released her taxes — even though she wasn’t running for office — in order to ensure that voters had an accurate picture of their finances.
If anything, it looks to me like Teresa Heinz Kerry sports a bigger sack than Willard Mitt Romney does.
zeke
July 16th, 2012
4:57 pm
tell joe six pack who pays 25% on his measley earnings, and mitt pays 14% on his passive income thru cap gains that is fair……why should poor smuck who puts money in savings account and gets it taxed as ordinary income….cap gains tax scheme for wealthy…maybe for initial offerings
how much should romney pay for our country defending his ability to earn 20 million
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
4:58 pm
The Obama campaign is in a profuse sweat over their failures to find something that will stick on Romney. Why should Romney give them something to rework into another cheap shot attempt. Better to let them sweat it out and maybe release his tax returns for several years when Obama’s cooked in the polls just before the election. I heard a suggestion that Romney should offer to release his tax returns if Obama will release his University records, which he thus far has refused to do.
Brosephus™
July 16th, 2012
4:58 pm
Total transparency for a Cabinet secretary, but none for the guy who hires and fires him? Do you guys even hear yourselves?
Surely you can’t be serious…
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Wrong- a rich man can’t be bought
How do you explain Congress and the last few presidents?
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
4:59 pm
“Wrong- a rich man can’t be bought”
BS ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you are talking only monetarily than to some degree you have a point, however many a man has been “BOUGHT” without money. Influence and power is very seductive to many people.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
4:59 pm
So 4 of 11 years George wasn’t earning much in wages
And so we’re supposed to ignore the facts behind the other 7 years? Whatever
N-GA
July 16th, 2012
5:00 pm
Sean – re your 4:52 post
Your argument holds water if the investment is to help the company. However, most stock purchases are “investments” hoping that the investors will benefit. Home ownership has the same result (at least it did before the bubble burst).
People who object to capital gains taxes by saying that the tax has already been paid once when the initial money was earned have an empty argument. We pay taxes repeatedly (year-over-year) all the time. One example: ad valorem tax on a vehicle. We also pay taxes on interest income.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 16th, 2012
5:01 pm
Wrong- a rich man can’t be bought
What a naif!
Erwin's cat
July 16th, 2012
5:01 pm
Influence and power is very seductive to many people.
I’d have to believe $243M gets you some power and influence…just saying
Joe Hussein Mama
July 16th, 2012
5:01 pm
Recon — “Better to let them sweat it out and maybe release his tax returns for several years when Obama’s cooked in the polls just before the election. I heard a suggestion that Romney should offer to release his tax returns if Obama will release his University records, which he thus far has refused to do.”
You go right ahead and run with that plan, Punkin.
Romney will be back at his Bain office before you know it.
Lord Help Us
July 16th, 2012
5:02 pm
The cons are infuriated that the Obama campaign is questioning Mitts finances, and insinuating malfeasance!!
But the irony of years of scurrilous accusations of cronyism, ‘chicago thug tactics,’ ‘america hating,’ death panels, birther accusations, socialist, ‘on the side of the terrorists,’ etc. is lost on them…
Goose/Gander I say…
zeke
July 16th, 2012
5:02 pm
let’s see recon, he got into harvard, graduated passed illionis bar….heck w was just a c student at harvard and you probably thought he was the cats pajamamas and he did more than his fair share to screw up the country…..mccain finished almost at bottom of his class at naval academy and palin barely got out of college
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:02 pm
“Rich man can’t be bought”
Yet their are rich men that go to the Golden Dome each session who just so happen to take extravegenat trips from companies and lobbyists. They all claim it is never an influence on their vote, yet there are ZILLIONS of examples of those same people voting exactly the way the company or lobbyist who courted them wanted them to vote.
100%? No, but it happens daily.
So it is safe to say that on the national level, in some form or fashion it is compounded.
Proud to be me
July 16th, 2012
5:02 pm
Jay . . so “your diversion is groundless” . . and so is Obama’s diversion. Publeeze!! The man is wealthy . . . just like Buffet!! Why does it bother liberals so? Why don’t you deal with the real issues? Obama hid alot from the American people and most of which is still hidden!! GET OVER Romney’s wealth!!! It hasn’t bothered you that the “wealthy” who support Obama probably have money sheltered! Yet, Obama is willing to hold both hands out for their money!!! Don’t give me “but, they aren’t running for President!” Obama has done more to demoralize the Presidency than any man before him.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:03 pm
EC
Warren Buffett is a billionaire, he doesn’t have the power as the POTUS
just sayn
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
5:04 pm
Joe,
Now I know why you call yourself Mama. Maybe you’re going through menopause.
N-GA
July 16th, 2012
5:04 pm
Adelson bought Newt Gingrich….his money keep turning the wind-up key in Newt’s back.
Ray
July 16th, 2012
5:05 pm
I worked for a banking company in the late 1980s to early 1990s where you could see everyone’s salary on the bank computers when it was paid in each month. The company had about 30-40 banks, and about 500 total employeees. The very top guys in the company made $240,000, while first day on the job tellers made $12,000. So the top guys made 20 times what the lowest level employees made. That just seems quaint by today’s standards, and Mitt Romney’s, where something around 400 or 500 to 1 is the norm. When/why did the people at the very top decide that they were just so exponentially more valuable than everyone else? It’s a head shaker.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 16th, 2012
5:05 pm
Recon — “Joe, Now I know why you call yourself Mama. Maybe you’re going through menopause.”
Oh, just hit me with your purse, Martha. (laughing)
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 16th, 2012
5:06 pm
Two Romneys? Heck, I’m still trying to figure out the one we got right now. He was for a health care law and now he’s against it. He says he understands our pain but he’s never eat beans & onions for supper in his life. He says he’s just a regular guy but he’s got a elevator in house to bring his car to him. He makes more money in interest in one year than I’ll make in salary in my whole life. He says he’ll create jobs here but he’s shipped hundreds of thousands of American jobs overseas.
Just give me a few weeks to figure this guy out before you throw his Daddy at us. I’m mixed up enough as it is. Have mercy, Bookman!
Have a good night everybody.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 16th, 2012
5:06 pm
JAY:
What was the tax rate during our Revolution ?
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:06 pm
“RICH man can’t be bought”
Maybe not with money, but he sure can with votes.
See Mitt Romney’s changes in his own stances and own words to pacify the social conservatives.
GAME, SET, MATCH
Next
Aquagirl
July 16th, 2012
5:06 pm
GET OVER Romney’s wealth!!!
Yep…nothin’ like the sound of jangly con nerves.
zeke
July 16th, 2012
5:07 pm
right ray, most folks at top could be replaced just like others in organization…..can you say nardelli
Joe the Plutocrat
July 16th, 2012
5:08 pm
anyone but me ever wonder why Romney wants to be POTUS? who takes a $21.5 million cut in pay? love of country? if he loves his country so much; why does the lion’s share of his income/assets hang out in offshore, tax sheltered accounts? geez, Americans really need to think a bit more critically when it comes to the meaningless excercise of the right to vote.
Thomas
July 16th, 2012
5:08 pm
Jay- Capital losses allowed as deductions for an individual- 3k per year. Capital losses allowed for corporations- $0. Make capital gains rates = to ordinary income rates but also allow unlimited capital losses. Otherwise you are playing a game of heads the gov’t wins, tails the investor loses.
Fair?
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
5:08 pm
Wow Zeke you’re sure the man with the facts. A question though how did you learn Bush was a C student?
hiram
July 16th, 2012
5:10 pm
@ lucifer
The rich remain rich, only because the masses allow it. Wealth is conditional – just ask Saddam, Hosni, and in the near future, Bashar.
SwamiDave
July 16th, 2012
5:12 pm
Sean:
Your fiscal & economic understanding is shockingly abysmal (but unfortunately par for the course for most shills and propogandists for liberals).
- Anyone who buys shares after offering is as much an “investor” in a company as the original purchaser. The sale transfers ownerships of that investment (and subsequent gains or losses) the the purchaser who now has MORE stake in the positive / negative outcomes than does the seller.
- As for comparisons of the tax rates, there is already a distinction between “investors” versus “traders” or sellers. With a modicum of research, you can find:
“Short-term capital gains are taxed at the investor’s ordinary income tax rate, and are defined as investments held for a year or less before being sold. Long-term capital gains, which apply to assets held for more than one year, are taxed at a lower rate than short-term gains.”
Profits from short-term gains are ALREADY taxed at the same rate as ordinary income (just as are gambling winnings).
- Finally, even the Capital Gains Tax Rates are “progressive” since the lowest two income brackets for long-term gains only pay a 5% rate versus all other filers who pay 15%. So (yet again) those at higher tax brackets are ALREADY paying higher rates even in the case of capital gains.
Happy to share some facts among your opinion…..
-SD
Aquagirl
July 16th, 2012
5:12 pm
What was the tax rate during our Revolution ?
Oh boy, I can’t wait to hear the latest factoid via forwarded e-mail.
Doggone/GA
July 16th, 2012
5:15 pm
Here’s something to ponder: many years ago now I saw the argument that the “Income Tax” was being illegally assessed against the wages earned for services provided. Interesting thought…that all the working people in the USA are being taxed illegally, because their paychecks are not income, but wages.
zeke
July 16th, 2012
5:15 pm
recon, apology he was c student at yale undergrad….if harvard mba like other mba programs doubt he made less than a b in any course.
to steal line from big chill, just good investigative journalism…..
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0124133/bio
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:16 pm
“What was the tax rate during our Revolution ?”
What were the rates during some of this country’s largest economic expansion?
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
5:16 pm
“Maybe not with money, but he sure can with votes.
See Mitt Romney’s changes in his own stances and own words to pacify the social conservatives.
GAME, SET, MATCH
Next”
Dream on
Romney doesn’t need anything
If Romney loses, he’ll actually go home to a better life
He’s a service minded individual that wants to help turn the country around because Obama has failed
carlosgvv
July 16th, 2012
5:16 pm
Lucifer – 4:49 “voters get the Govt. they deserve”
Actually, that’s not true.
In the upcomming election millions will vote for Obama and millions will vote for Romney.
If Romney wins, the Republican electorate will certainly get the “let them eat cake” Govt. they deserve.
Unfortunately, those of us with more sense than to vote for a rich man’s president will get the Govt. we most definitely DON’T deserve.
GT
July 16th, 2012
5:16 pm
Capital gains, is that welfare? I guess not, the poor never receive it. But it is money given away from one American to another and so far they have not declared it a tax, but in the spirit of recent stretches seems to me we could call it welfare. I not even sure it is that large a stretch.
I would be interested in see as Romney’s fortune increases how the poor have made out during this era. Socialism is a equaling of classes, we are all comrades. Did not I read that poverty is at a all time high, as a population, how proud we must be. Not only does he make four or five hundred times more than Buffett’s secretary he spends more on boat fuel than most American salaries.
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
5:17 pm
The “independent fact-checkers,” who have been shielding Mitt Romney from questions about Bain Capital’s off-shoring jobs and closing factories, are growing more isolated as the New York Times and other news outlets call for Romney to disclose more, reports Robert Parry.
See Mitt dig.
Dig, Mitt, dig.
Dig faster, Mitt.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:17 pm
Jm
Ok.
hahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahah
Bet you said the same about Kerry? I didn’t
JamVet
July 16th, 2012
5:18 pm
Who cares that he was a C student?
He was an F- president…
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
5:18 pm
zeke, investigative joournalism made easy not good…Bush released his records Obama won’t.
Jay
July 16th, 2012
5:18 pm
It’s also interesting to see conservatives demanding that we ignore Romneys wealth and business record when just a couple of weeks ago they were citing that wealth and financial success as his greatest asset as a candidate.
If that record is relevant, then it’s relevant.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
5:19 pm
“anyone but me ever wonder why Romney wants to be POTUS? who takes a $21.5 million cut in pay? love of country? if he loves his country so much; why does the lion’s share of his income/assets hang out in offshore, tax sheltered accounts? geez, Americans really need to think a bit more critically when it comes to the meaningless excercise of the right to vote.”
There is this thing called “love of country”
Maybe you should explore it
Tundra Dude
July 16th, 2012
5:21 pm
Why the worry about socialism?
because it’s really, really bad….?
Hardheaded Socialism Makes Canada Richer Than U.S.
By Stephen Marche
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-15/hardheaded-socialism-makes-canada-richer-than-u-s-.html
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
5:21 pm
There is this thing called “love of country”
Maybe you should explore it
JM exclaims as he boards his plane for Asian parts unknown.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:21 pm
Jm
You say dream on, yet you ignore Romney’s pacification of social conservatives as if it didn’t happen
Don’t tell me about a Obama flip flop, about a Clinton flip flop
Who is Romney? They guy who governed Mass or the guy who is tap dancing to the “Candy Man” for the social right?
His choice, but he is dancing and you can say what you want, but his staff carries around taps in their pockets so he can change them before each campaign stop The proof is in his actions
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:22 pm
Jm
he loves it so much that he took a portion of his money elsewhere
And I will say that for anyone D, R or no political affiliation.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
5:22 pm
Tbs
I would never have argued Kerry could be bought
I would have argued he was a boob, but not buyable
Instead, I copped out and wrote someone in. I didn’t like either candidate (and GA was not a close race, W was going to win no matter what). But I don’t write in anymore.
zeke
July 16th, 2012
5:24 pm
recon, wish obama would release his records, but sort of moot point now. he has adult life and politics for last 20 years on which to be judged. same for romney; however, tax returns have generally been fair game to see who is buying you or how you are influenced.
JamVet
July 16th, 2012
5:24 pm
I would be interested in see as Romney’s fortune increases how the poor have made out during this era.
The current minimum wage is worth less today than it was in 1968. (!!!!!)
But if you talk with these Master of Misinformed Cons, if you raise it at all, it spells economic doom. At least zillions of jobs will be lost.
Talk about brain dead with a capital B…
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
5:24 pm
Obama released his records, Mitt won’t.
j nes
July 16th, 2012
5:24 pm
The following piece from politicdiscourse.com does a good job of contrasting two other Romneys: Mitt Romney the CEO and Mitt Romney the Governor.
http://politicdiscourse.com/2012/07/16/america-is-not-a-business/
Jeffrey
July 16th, 2012
5:24 pm
My bet is there are at least two years, probably more, where mitt paid so little in taxes that it is probably close to zero percent. So, he’ll never release them.
Jay
July 16th, 2012
5:25 pm
Oh brother. A lecture on “love of country” from the guy saving up his quarters for a one-way ticket to Singapore?
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
5:25 pm
Jay, “demanding”? The problem for Obama and the Democrats no one cares. I’m in favor of you and your fellow liberal Democrats foolishly continuing on because the voters will in greater numbers see this pathetic strategy as really designed to divert attention from Obama’s dismal record.
Aquagirl
July 16th, 2012
5:26 pm
There is this thing called “love of country” Maybe you should explore it
I’ve noticed a distinct preference for Mitt types to explore their love by wielding power, not huddling in a foxhole or other lowly jobs. Funny how that works.
GT
July 16th, 2012
5:26 pm
Jay that may still be his greatest asset, it sure isn’t his personality.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
5:27 pm
Tbs 5:22 I have money invested abroad
I guess that makes me and everyone else that has a pension fund, 401k, IRA or employee that does business abroad a traitor too
That’s stupid and one can draw their own conclusions from the person who said it
Very silly
Mark in mid-own
July 16th, 2012
5:28 pm
Jay Bookman, I have a couple of questions for you that I hope you could answer?
1) Who paid a higher effective tax rate on the most recent year of tax returns released during their respective runs for the presidency,John Kerry or Mitt Romney? I think the correct answer is Mitt Romney. Can you confirm that?
2) Who paid more money in income tax during 2010, Mitt Romney or Warren Buffett? I think the answer is Mitt Romney even though Warren Buffett has a net worth about 200 times greater than Mitt Romney. Can you please confirm that? Interesting news story there if you think about it.
kayaker 71
July 16th, 2012
5:29 pm
According to Wall St. Wire 24/7, some interesting facts about past presidents and their net worth:
George Washington 525M
John Adams 19M
Thomas Jefferson 212M
James Madison 101M
James Monroe 27M
John Q Adams 21M
Andrew Jackson 119M
Martin Van Buren 26M
Wm Henry Harrison 5M
John Tyler 51M
James Polk 10M
Zachary Taylor 6M
Grover Cleveland 25M
Theodore Roosevelt 125M
Herbert Hoover 75M
FDR 60M
JFK Trusts estimated at 1B
Richard Nixon 15M
LBJ 95M
Jimmy Carter 7M
Ronald Reagan 13M
Slick Willy 38M, now estimated at over 100M
GW Bush 20M
Bozo 5M
Certainly, all 1%ers. And think what our earlier president’s fortunes would have been in today’s dollars. We have a rich history of rich presidents. Why is Romney so different?
Get Real
July 16th, 2012
5:29 pm
All smoke and mirrors Jaybo, God forbid that we focus on what really matters…THE ECONOMY
Obama and his campaign team can run but they cannot hide!! His comments on Friday in VA were his dumbest to date…
Jeffrey
July 16th, 2012
5:29 pm
Skyboxification. I really like that.
getalife
July 16th, 2012
5:30 pm
Show us your 1999-2012 tax returns like bill said on fox.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:31 pm
Jm
My point is that I do think a wealthy person can be bought. I have not nor will knock Romney’s wealth. With that said, people are bought in various forms every day without money.
I am not saying he doesn’t love this country, even though I did post about him taking some of his money offshore. I do not think he has done anything illegal, but I WOULD NOT DO IT……. period
And he like the vast majority of politicians have egos, so I doubt this is all for mom, apply pie and chevrolets.
But it does sound good.
Heck Obama can make more than 350k with his credentials. Dog him all you like, but he can be working at a high powered firm as we speak making big BANK. He like Romney has an ego and will do what it takes to get elected.
Using that for “love of country” idea, one can argue with the Obama’s net worth vs Romney’s, Obama “loves” the US more because he doesn’t have that big of a cushion. But I wouldn’t claim that because to me it sounds pretty stupid.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
5:31 pm
Jay 5:25
yep
I guess you could say I live the country enough to leave it if it evolves into something very different than the freedom loving country it used to be
I can love this country but recognize that times change
If it’s not a good fit for me, ie I don’t share the same values and I don’t think it’s likely to change, well then I guess I don’t belong here
If I can save up enough quarters
Aquagirl
July 16th, 2012
5:32 pm
Jay Bookman, I have a couple of questions for you that I hope you could answer?
Ummmmmm…..John Kerry! Warren Buffet!
This is frakkin’ hilarious.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
5:33 pm
Jeffrey 5:24 fair bet
There are probably good reasons he may have paid so little (loss carryforwards) but that would get lost in the noise in a soundbite media age
Joseph
July 16th, 2012
5:33 pm
Here we go… Again I ask. Am I supposed to be worried about what Mitt Romney does with his money or worried about what Oblama does with mine?????
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:33 pm
Jm
Quit being a RICHARD. I never claimed he was a traitor
That is you words. You love to play the punk and put words in people’s mouth, you do.
Investing in a company overseas is not the same as having accounts overseas. There can be overlap. So a smart man like yourself needs to stop playing dumb and playing people for being dumb
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 16th, 2012
5:34 pm
JM
where do we send the quarters
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:34 pm
“that is your words”
getalife
July 16th, 2012
5:34 pm
willard lost the outsourcing argument.
Joseph
July 16th, 2012
5:35 pm
Divide, distract and smear…. That sums up Oblama’s campaign…. Sad.. Really sad…
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
5:35 pm
Tbs
I’m not arguing that one candidate loves their country more than the other
barking frog
July 16th, 2012
5:36 pm
Quarters for Jm
c/o Jay Bookman
AJC
all donations appreciated
Joseph
July 16th, 2012
5:37 pm
Oblama meets with Springer… Two loons in a pod…
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/07/obama-meets-with-jerry-springer-129069.html
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
5:37 pm
“Investing in a company overseas is not the same as having accounts overseas.”
Yes it is. All assets are subject to US tax law per the tax code. Tax wise, no difference.
getalife
July 16th, 2012
5:37 pm
No money for a quitter.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:38 pm
Jm
Thanks. While I may go after your posts. I do not put words in your mouth. I would appreciate you do the same.
None of us on here have all the answers and not one person hasn’t been wrong on something. With that said, please refrain from putting words in my mouth.
Opinion or fact: use them to go after me, but words in my mouth.
Come on dude
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 16th, 2012
5:39 pm
People are TIRED of the waste, fraud and abuse in government entitlement (and other) spending and of the government taking their hard earned money and just giving it to others. Buckle that belt ………. fugality is in !
And yes libs., if the American people through their elected representatives want to freeze or cut back on federal pensions (although at least they were earned !) so be it. I can handle it.
I give 10% of my gross (yes gross !) to charitable institutions ………. voluntary giving is one thing but involuntary giving is another.
Enough is enough !
Just saying..
July 16th, 2012
5:39 pm
Honestly, the political price he’s paying, fresh off winning the delegate count, is mind boggling. And completely self-inflected. The guy’s been running for President for 8 years. Did he imagine he’d get a pass? What kind of calculation is this? If there’s bad news in those returns, only one guy had complete control over them.
GT
July 16th, 2012
5:39 pm
Even if O had a dismal record, which if true would be a lot cheaper campaign for Big Bucks Romney, what makes anyone think that Romney is a dismal stopper. I realize we don’t see this guy all that much, he is like a nerd on rush day, but he has got to be the best looking no personality guy that ever sail these waters. Say what you will about Kennedy the man had a great personality. Dismal you ain’t seen dismal til you spend this record, Romney is about as stiff as a corpse.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
5:39 pm
Common frog
Lemme know when you send 5 or 10 million quarters in
barking frog
July 16th, 2012
5:39 pm
getalife
Jm is self deporting.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:39 pm
Jm
Really? So every American with an off shore account pays US taxes on that money?
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
5:40 pm
Where is the character of Obama, his surrogates, and supporters?
It is in plain sight and it is not flattering.
Obama cannot run on his record so his campaign cooks up this outrageous canard trying to vilify Romney for being successful.
It does not matter that Romney was no longer at Bain during the period of question. Bain did nothing illegal. Only in the mind/eyes of Liberals is making money a bad thing.
The issue is not that American companies take work overseas but why they do so.
Apparently, Moonbats put winning above all else at all costs. I believe that is found in Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals,but they will deny it.
No, they aren’t socialists – at least in their minds.
Lucifer
July 16th, 2012
5:40 pm
“A rich man can’t be bought.” Perhaps the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard. Just because a man is wealthy doesn’t negate his need to grow even wealthier. Some of these billionaires want to become trillionaires. And many times alternatives to money, such as power, is the currency of corruption. So, what crap – “a rich man can’t be bought.” PURE POPPYCOCK!!!
getalife
July 16th, 2012
5:40 pm
frog,
He is begging for quarters to quit his country.
Sad.
pogo
July 16th, 2012
5:41 pm
Another piece by Jay to deflect the reality of the misery that Obama is inflicting upon this country. That is what Jay and the Obama campaign have been reduced to since Obama has nothing else to offer. He has made a bad situation worse. Anything to divert what a complete and abject failure the Obama administration has been. Innuendo is the calling card of Chicago politics and apparently for Jay and the Democratic party. It doesn’t matter if it is factual or if it is make believe, just as long as they introduce doubt. They are hinging the whole Obama campaign on the premise that if they throw out enough garbage on Romney that the swing voters will believe them and turn the election. We do know that Obama will lie. We do know that Obama has made the American economy worse. We do know that record numbers of people in this country are on government assistance because of Obama. What perplexes me even more is that supposedly intelligent people fall for these small-time political tactics and in that way perhaps I give the American people more credit than they deserve. And Jay, you are one of them. Of course you will have to live with your decision to support the liar in chief. And so will your children.
getalife
July 16th, 2012
5:42 pm
reb,
But Obama…..
Too funny.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:42 pm
“People are TIRED of the waste, fraud and abuse in government entitlement (and other) spending and of the government taking their hard earned money and just giving it to others. Buckle that belt ………. fugality is in ”
Can we assume that you didn’t vote for Chambliss and Isakson? Don’t know who your Congress person is, so can’t call them out.
I did vote for Isakson, I must confess, but Chambliss not in a million years.
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 16th, 2012
5:43 pm
It’s more expensive to buy a rich man than a poor man
- Thomas Jefferson
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:43 pm
Jm
I am not saying what they are subject too, I am saying are they paying it.
You know that answer.
Once again, I’m not saying Romney has done anything illegal. I would say he hasn’t.
j nes
July 16th, 2012
5:44 pm
Despite what the Obama campaign might want voters to believe, Mitt Romney’s record as a businessman is stellar. The tax records he has not released and the multimillion-dollar bank accounts Romney holds (including the recently closed Swiss account) do not tarnish his success; they simply prove it.
A good executive in the private sector turns a profit for his company—period. Mitt Romney did just that for Bain Capital, whether he left in 1999 or 2002, and he was handsomely compensated for his work. There is controversy as to whether laying off thousands of workers and outsourcing labor to foreign countries led to Bain’s fortunes during Romney’s reign, but in the world of private equity, these practices are both common and well within the government regulations that Romney now ironically claims are so problematic to a successful American economy.
Considering his accomplishments, American voters should not be surprised that the Republicans’ blue-blooded, white collared nominee is running on his business record alone. It is understandable that he does not cite his actual governing experience–where he successfully implemented a health care mandate and created fewer jobs than 46 other states. Instead, Mitt Romney (the business opportunist) has been relegated to preaching that America’s negative balance sheet offers him a chance to do what he does best: financial engineering, the euphemistic term for what was once known as hostile takeover.
But there is a major crack in Mitt Romney’s foundational premise: America is not a business, and even if it were, it would be the kind of struggling business that corporate executive Romney chopped up and sold for spare parts—or worse, declared bankrupt. These are not options for America the country, and that is why CEO Romney is not the right man for the job of President. Maybe Governor Romney can still give it a shot.
from politicdiscourse.com
barking frog
July 16th, 2012
5:44 pm
getalife
Jm is just looking for a
better life like the millions
of immigrants that want to
take his place when he is
gone.
Lord Help Us
July 16th, 2012
5:44 pm
JohnnyReb, were you outraged at the ’swiftboating’ of John Kerry?
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
5:47 pm
getalife – so you are OK with the Obama campaign trying to destroy Romney with lies? Well documented lies. That they care more about winning than the truth. You are OK with a man like that being POTUS?
Martin the Calvinist
July 16th, 2012
5:48 pm
You know, Jay has never expressed how high a tax rate is fair, I know you’ve advocated a return to the Clinton rates for all Americans. I know you’ve never said how large should be the US gov’ts budget, to what percentage of GDP or a number figure. I know under the current tax system I pay no income tax and get a return every year, I think that is more common than some millionaire only paying 13.9%. We currently take in about 2.3 Trillion a year, I think that’s too much, I don’t want a large intrusive heavy spending gov’t. We can’t sustain it……
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:48 pm
“JohnnyReb, were you outraged at the ’swiftboating’ of John Kerry?”
All that was true. Thought you knew that. Book came out and everything.
j/k: I thought it was deplorable. With that said Kerry is nothing more than a politician’s politician.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:50 pm
JR
The recent attacks are BS, I am with you. With that said, the Romney campaign has already been caught telling a few “stories” themselves.
Are you good with it? Throw stones, they are coming back in big boy politics. Sucks that all sides do it, but Romney and his team are surely not the ones that need to be crying about dirty play
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
5:50 pm
Getalife 5:40 hardly
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
5:50 pm
Lord Help Us – there is a difference between a candidates campaign versus a PAC making accusations. In Kerry’s case, it was a PAC, not Bush. In this case, Obama is right in the middle of it. Another example of him having no class, which I have stated her numerous times.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
July 16th, 2012
5:50 pm
SoCoBro: On the surface, they are both one and the same. They are capitalists who are/were good at what they did during their era in US history. The real story is the de-evolution of what we call capitalism. During the elder Romney’s period, capitalist did not bite the hand that fed them, i.e. they understood and realized that a strong country allowed them to benefit from their endeavors
Hoover, Republican Pro-Business Pro-small government, once said the only thing that was wrong with capitalism was capitalists.
nelsonh
July 16th, 2012
5:52 pm
In the entire history of American politics, the choice has never been clearer, the failed economic policies of the current administration for 4 more years or a new frontier forged by a proven businessman. CEOs of large companies are expected to make a lot of money. The CEO of LLY John Leighliter has taken in $50,000,000 the last four years, but the shareholders are prospering[5%] dividend and 22% appreciation the last two years. With a leader everyone prospers, that is the way the USA will prosper under Mitt Romney. He will give up his tax returns, it will only show what a smart, shrewed businessman he is.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
July 16th, 2012
5:52 pm
If anything, it looks to me like Teresa Heinz Kerry sports a bigger sack than Willard Mitt Romney does
Amen Brother Joe. Amen.
GT
July 16th, 2012
5:53 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801 giving away that money is suppose to heal the soul, obviously it didn’t take with you. Chill baby you going to die some day, people, by the way, are tire of dying too, but that don’t seem to slow it down none. You ever seen a u-haul behind a hearse 031188541/5811/1801 (hope I spelled that right) can’t take it with you or as Steve Jobs once said you come in this world alone and you leave alone. So get tired all you want to my man because ultimately you are going to get all the rest you need.
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
5:53 pm
They Both suck – unfortunately, the Romney campaign is showing signs of painting themselves in a corner and having to flip flop or stretch the truth. I’m not OK with that, but believe it pales compared to what is coming from Obama.
BTW – hope you and yours are doing well.
kayaker 71
July 16th, 2012
5:54 pm
Jobs, my friends, jobs….. that is what will decide this election. Bozo and Bookman keep dodging the main issue….. the economy. Bookman is so preoccupied with Romney’s money that he ignores, purposefully, that we have had over 8% unemployment for the last 42 months. Nothing that Bozo has done has created more jobs. The real rate is more like 12 or 13% if you count the ones who have just quit looking. Anything but the economy….. women, Sandra Fluke, birth control pills, latinos, Mexican illegals, tax returns, out sourcing of jobs, Bain Capital,…… anything but the economy. But it won’t go away, will it libs? It just hangs around like a 50# weight on your back. The elephant in the living room….. the emperor with no clothes. Bookman won’t touch it…. Bozo ignores it. But it is still there. Wouldn’t you be humiliated as a president if you still had domestic growth at 1.6%. Any true American would. Hell, Mexico is at 4% and they’re fighting a drug war all over their country. I hope the American electorate is not so ideologically stupid so as not to see through all of this sham.
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
5:55 pm
Well, given that the average con household makes an average annual wage of about $45,000 and pays an average federal income tax of about 5.25% of their AGI while Mitt pays a whopping 14% of his AGI, I can understand why cons think they need to pay more so Mitt can pay less.
ty webb
July 16th, 2012
5:55 pm
“the younger Romney, as a passive, non-working investor now drawing upon his success at Bain Capital,”
kudos Jay, that sentence just oozes with resentment…and for that alone, I give Romney mega kudos.
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 16th, 2012
5:55 pm
There once were many capitalists that were truly up from the bootstraps types
Not so many now, mostly are fairly well off types that started with investments from their parents
up from the parents bootstraps maybe
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
5:57 pm
JR
Thanks for the reply. Doing well and hope things are going well for you and yours.
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
5:58 pm
Republicans ran on a jobs campaign in 2010. When can we expect to see them deliver a jobs bill to President Obama for his signature. How many years does it take Republicans to come up with one little piece of legislation.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
July 16th, 2012
5:58 pm
Now I know why you call yourself Mama. Maybe you’re going through menopause.
More repuglican attacks on women Recon? When will you thugs LEARN?
Martin the Calvinist
July 16th, 2012
5:59 pm
“I can understand why cons think they need to pay more so Mitt can pay less.”
Taxpayer, this “con” is for lower tax rates for everyone…. your statement lacks sense..”
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
5:59 pm
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
5:55 pm
Well, given that the average con household makes an average annual wage of about $45,000 and pays an average federal income tax of about 5.25% of their AGI while Mitt pays a whopping 14% of his AGI, I can understand why cons think they need to pay more so Mitt can pay less.
____________
What a load of crap. Taxpayer, you clearly know Mitt’s income is from investments and he pays the legal rate just like thousands of Liberals who do exactly the same thing.
Lord Help Us
July 16th, 2012
6:00 pm
JohnnyReb, that is splitting hairs…
The swiftboating of Kerry was deplorable, the swiftboating of Max Cleland even more so.
Obama is playing politics with the issue of Mitts finances. I don’t like it either, but to be outraged at one and not the other is illuminating…
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
July 16th, 2012
6:01 pm
Question – How many years does it take Republicans to come up with one little piece of legislation.
Answer – None. Cause they were never serious about a jobs bill in the first place.
Tom Middleton
July 16th, 2012
6:02 pm
Your commentary, Jay, reminds me of the famous quote from John Steinbeck’s “Grapes of Wrath” at the very end:
Ma Joad: “Rich fellas come up an’ they die, an’ their kids ain’t no good an’ they die out. But we keep a’comin’. We’re the people that live. They can’t wipe us out; they can’t lick us. We’ll go on forever, Pa, ’cause we’re the people.”
GT
July 16th, 2012
6:02 pm
Nope if you got a crook running for office, you may and in some of these right wing situations that is a big may not vote for him. Now why is that man not showing his taxes? I think Judas may have gotten some GOP votes in the day, strange how these people vote. Morals don’t turn them on as much as advertised, but I don’t think they can carry a crook to office anymore. I still think tricky Dick could have won that primary though, it was made to order for his kind of politics.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
July 16th, 2012
6:04 pm
Taxpayer, this “con” is for lower tax rates for everyone…. your statement lacks sense..”
You can’t have it all. It’s sad but true.
To which much has been given, much is expected.
Time for the 1% to pay their fare share.
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
6:06 pm
So it seems that if only the Mittster paid 37% in taxes all would be right in this world.
This economy would be growing at 5%, unemployment would be under 4%, and gas would be a buck a gallon.
Wrong.
This economy sucks because we have a euro-socialist president who is in the process of “fundamentally transforming” this great land into a third world cesspool like Greece by rewarding failure and punishing those who dare to succeed.
O’bozo calls our constitution a negative document. He refuses to acknowledge our exceptionalism. He acquiesces
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
6:07 pm
Wait a minute. Weren’t cons on here recently complaining about how nearly 50% of people pay no federal income tax! Now a couple of them are attacking me for posting the facts about what percentage of AGI another portion of the population pays in taxes as compared to the poor wealthiest that have to pay so much. Well, here’s some data for you: Filers with an average AGI of $150,000 only paid an average of 11.78% of their AGI in federal income taxes in 2009. They can afford to pay at least 14%, like Mitt. Right!
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
6:07 pm
tour enemies.
Pathetic.
Tundra Dude
July 16th, 2012
6:07 pm
j nes, wrote, in part:
America is not a business, and even if it were, it would be the kind of struggling business that corporate executive Romney chopped up and sold for spare parts—or worse, declared bankrupt
As prez of USA, Inc., Romney would probably “spin off” non-productive states, (almost all the Southern Red states)
He would get rid of non-paying customers, (elderly, disabled, welfare mooches) put them on ice floes/rafts.
He’d sell off/privatize our roads, bridges, utilities and surplus Fed lands.
We could be living in a Lean and Mean Paradise, very soon!!
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
6:08 pm
Lord Help Us – I did not state being OK with what happened to Kerry. I did not give any money in making it happen. On the otherhand, I can’t think of a more deserving recipient. Oh wait…wait… maybe Chuck Schumer.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
July 16th, 2012
6:09 pm
Tom M. – nice quote.
Today’s society reminds me very much of The Hunger Games. Where only a few rule (ruling class); and the rest, (99%) are left hungry and starving and have to kill each other of for a few scapes of food.
That’s because the ruling class LIKED to keep us hungry and fighting amongst ourselves — that way they took the onus off of them, and put it on us.
Its amazing that with record drop losses in the past TEN YEARS, (way before Obama set foot in office); how some people can say that by further cutting the “job creators” tax rates create jobs!
Where are all these jobs after 10+ years of this way of thinking? Why are some people so mired in rhetoric that they can’t see the forest for the trees?
GT
July 16th, 2012
6:12 pm
A little of that Euro problem is Wall Street selling them toilet paper and calling it sound investments. One thing about the old Communist, if someone had sold them that garbage they would have been shot at dawn. In this world the seller got a bonus.
Tundra Dude
July 16th, 2012
6:12 pm
inmate # 0311:
What was the tax rate during our Revolution ?
Axshullly, it was very low b-4 the Rev. Once it started, taxes tripled.
Take it from a “Tea Party” economist:
Tricked on the Fourth of July
by Gary North
http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1002.html
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
6:13 pm
TaxPayer – every wage earner needs to contribute no matter how small their income. The fact that nearly 50% pay no federal income tax is revolting, especially when Moonbats think people who have more should pay even more.
The tax code has been manipulated to produce Welfare. Clinton reduced welfare rolls but the tax code brought them right back in. If a person does not pay federal income tax, s/he is in effect on welfare.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
6:14 pm
We could be living in a Lean and Mean Paradise, very soon!!
Uh oh not me! I live in a “red state”! Darn.
Jay
July 16th, 2012
6:15 pm
JohnnyReb, that phenomenon that you so despise is the direct result of the Bush tax cuts (and of course the recession).
Nice to know that you want to raise taxes on the poorest of Americans, while saving the Mitt Romney’s of the world from that terrible hardship.
Tundra Dude
July 16th, 2012
6:16 pm
it looks to me like Teresa Heinz Kerry sports a bigger sack than Willard Mitt Romney does
I heard she calls Mitt trailer trash
Lucifer
July 16th, 2012
6:16 pm
Here’s my reason for disliking Willard and why I think he is slippery as snot. It goes back to his attack ad months ago, one of his first, in which he places McCain’s words in Obama’s mouth. Remember it? McCain said during his campaign if they kept talking about the economy they would lose the election. Well, Obama later quoted McCain’s quote in an ad of his own. Then the Mittster intentionally deleted Obama’s reference to McCain, and went with an attack ad making it as if Obama had said these words himself. This is the pinnacle of sleaze. When Willard was asked by reporters about the obvious outright lying ad, he said “Well, what is sauce of the goose is sauce for the gander.” What the hell does that mean? Somebody is hitting the sauce alright, and it ain’t Barack. The Mittster is slimy, greasy, dirty, filthy, dishonest, a thug, cheat and liar. He would tie his own mother on the roof of his car and travel across the continent if it would win him the election. His is a despictable life form. Now, please excuse me as I go shower.
Martin the Calvinist
July 16th, 2012
6:16 pm
debbie do right, the gov’t by far has stolen more from the American people than the “1%ers”, if you were to sucessfully seize all wealth from millionaires and billionaires you’d still not solve our country’s fiscal issues……it’s time we stopped gov’t from fighting the war on poverty, they are getting their butts handed to them……
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
6:16 pm
Weren’t cons on here recently complaining about how nearly 50% of people pay no federal income tax!
They’ll repeat anything their daddy LimpBalls tells them to. Even if it makes no sense. Even if it’s a damn lie. They’re like parrots.
Tundra Dude
July 16th, 2012
6:18 pm
We could be living in a Lean and Mean Paradise, very soon!!
Uh oh not me! I live in a “red state”! Darn
Last time I checked, Jawja’s the only Southern Red state that’s not a net importer of Federal funds.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
6:18 pm
Rule #1
There are suckers and suckees
No amount of government protection can fix that
Don’t be a sucker
Read the fine print and think it through
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
6:19 pm
Jay, the phenomenon of people paying zero federal income tax started long before Bush took office.
The Bush tax cuts went to everyone, not just those who make more.
No one is stating that low income should start now paying federal income taxes, however, it is just as ridiculous to raise taxes on the people who are also paying the lions share.
If you Libs would look at spending cuts with the same drive you do raising taxes, there might just be some middle ground.
Truth-O-Meter
July 16th, 2012
6:19 pm
Didn’t you love hearing Romney demand an apology from Obama. This was a slow day for the president because he should have told Romney, “what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.”
And did Romney apologize to Newt and the others when he trashed them to kingdom come during the primary?
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
6:22 pm
DebbieDoRight – the figure of almost 50% not paying any federal income tax is not a lie or myth. I have posted links here numerous times showing the breakdow, but like many things contrary to Liberalspeak it is ignored by most. Apparently, you are in that group.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
6:22 pm
debbie do right, the gov’t by far has stolen more from the American people than the “1%ers”,
Oh so it was the government that shipped all those jobs overseas!! It was the government that caused all those Wall Street traders to play peek a boo with the stock market! It was the government that made those good ole boy companies like Enron go bankrupt, steal from their investors, and hide all their gains!!! It was the GUBMINT that caused Bernie Madoff to invent that highly lucrative ponzi scheme and to steal billions from old people, school districts, retirement funds, friends and acquantances!!
Gee, thanks for breaking that down for me!! You are one smart dude!
Tom Middleton
July 16th, 2012
6:22 pm
DebbieDoRight@6:09: “That’s because the ruling class LIKED to keep us hungry and fighting amongst ourselves — that way they took the onus off of them, and put it on us.”
Good one, Deb. Like you said, they’re always going to try; but if you believe Steinbeck, we’re always going to win overall. Let’s hope so anyway!
pogo
July 16th, 2012
6:22 pm
From the Weekly Standard;
Jeff Zients is the head of the Obama administration’s Office of Management and Budget. “Like Mitt Romney, the man who would unseat his boss, Mr. Zients (rhymes with science) got his professional start at Bain Consulting,” the Wall Street Journal reports.
Zients has only praise, it would seem, for Bain:
After graduating in 1988, Mr. Zients started as a consultant at Bain & Co. in Boston, where he “fell in love with Bain’s culture, teamwork…and analytical rigor,” according to a Bain alumni newsletter. (He didn’t work with Mr. Romney, who already had left to start Bain Capital.)
At Bain, Mr. Zients reported to Mary Menell, four years his senior, who became his wife, with whom he now has four children. They were married in Mrs. Zients’s homeland of South Africa, with Nelson Mandela, her parents’ friend, in attendance.
Mr. Zients left Bain to return to Washington and become an entrepreneur. He helped run Advisory Board Co., a research firm, and its spinoff, Corporate Executive Board, which together grew to more than 1,000 employees, and launched an initial public offering for each. In 2002, Fortune magazine named Mr. Zients in its list of the 40 richest Americans under 40. His net worth is conservatively estimated at around $200 million.
As I have said before, Obama knows his base and he is playing people like apparently Jay for fools. Or perhaps they are like Obama and don’t care what the truth is as long as they can win. Bain certainly seems to have touched many, many people in Obama’s inner circle just as the big banks did with people like Geithner and the many lobbyists he has hired (even though he said he would never hire a lobbyist).
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
6:23 pm
Everyone should pay something, says JohnnyReb. Hey Johnny. Did you know that in 2009, 18,233,331 returns reported an AGI between $1 and $9000. Now, in 2009 a “single” filer claiming a personal exemption of $3650 and a standard deduction of $5700 would owe no federal income taxes on the first $9350 of AGI. Of course, if those earnings were all wages, then they would still get stuck with those nasty entitlement taxes.
PJ
July 16th, 2012
6:24 pm
Truth-O-Meter @6:19 pm
The President should say to Mitt “sorry , yeah, you sorry”
Truth-O-Meter
July 16th, 2012
6:24 pm
Lucifer @ 6:16
Sorry I didn’t read your post before placing mine. We both remember the “what’s sauce…” comment when he totally distorted the president’s words. I still remember his smug demeanor when he said it.
From my understanding it is a take off on “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.” In other words you get what you give. Of course now Romney is getting it and is whining the whole time.
Lord Help Us
July 16th, 2012
6:24 pm
‘No one is stating that low income should start now paying federal income taxes’
Really?!? I have seen it thrown out on this blog so many times, I was surprised to read this…
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
6:28 pm
My 6:23 should have stated that those 18,233,331 paid no federal income taxes.
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
6:28 pm
“NEW YORK – Stocks closed lower, falling for the seventh day out of the past eight days after a report that U.S. consumers are cutting their spending.”
Gee, I wonder why that happened.
Oh, yeah.
O’bozo’s economic euro-socialist policies.
Doh.
Martin the Calvinist
July 16th, 2012
6:28 pm
Sorry Debbie the capitalist hater, I supposed leninist communism is more your taste, tell me how many years does it take for a congressman to get a retirement check from the gov’t, tell me how many bridges to nowhere were built and funded by gov’t or fake alligators places in parks in lubbock texas, Solyendra, ect, ect?
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
6:29 pm
DebbieDoRight – the figure of almost 50% not paying any federal income tax is not a lie or myth.
I’ve likened it to more of a “Sasquatch sighting” — many people have claimed to have seen it; but surprisingly none have had the sense enough to pull out their cameras/camera phone and take a picture of it.
Its like that tree in the forest — if it falls and no one heard it..etc., etc., etc……..
Tundra Dude
July 16th, 2012
6:31 pm
We have a rich history of rich presidents. Why is Romney so different?
Maybe cuz he’s hiding millions in the Caymans, Switzerland, and maybe Luxembourg.
Inquiring Minds want to know…..if none of these millions are subject to US taxation, why is it being hidden…..??
Jay
July 16th, 2012
6:32 pm
JohnnyReb, before the Bush tax cuts, it was 34 percent who paid no income tax.
A lot of the folks in question are living just on Social Security. You want to tax them more? A lot of them are poor mothers raising kids on a limited income. You want to tax them more? Others have lost their jobs and are living on unemployment or their 401ks. You want to tax them more?
And you don’t want to ask the same of someone making $21 million a year?
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
6:33 pm
At least a bit of good news:
“Opponents have locked in enough votes to block Senate ratification of the controversial Law of the Sea treaty championed by White House and the Pentagon.”
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
6:34 pm
Tom M. : if you believe Steinbeck, we’re always going to win overall. Let’s hope so anyway!
History & numbers are on our side. Remember what happened to the 1% during the French Revolution? Or another good one is what happened to them during the RUSSIAN Revolution?
History has proven time and time again, those with wealth don’t “trickle it down” — they keep hoarding it until the 99% kicks their azzes and MAKES them give it up.
They can do it the easy way, pay more taxes, or they can go the route of the French and the Russians. It’s up to them…
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2012
6:34 pm
Well, I just wandered by. I saw this over on Wingnut’s blog and I just had to share it with you. Attributed to “Ronnie Raygun” (you know who you are).
A conservative is what you get when Mommy and Daddy tell Jr. that he’s the most special person in the world, and he’s dumb enough to believe it into adulthood.
Aint’t the truth! But, then again, WTF do I know?
Same old song and dance -- Diversion, Distraction, Distortion
July 16th, 2012
6:35 pm
God forbid Obama should run for reelection on his accomplishments. But wait — he doesn’t have any accomplishments.
So if you don’t have a record to run on, you spend your time demonizing your opponent and hope the voters don’t notice what an empty suit you are.
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
6:35 pm
Jay – since you are for raising the tax rate on the wealthy, please tell us what you consider “fair”?
The top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of federal income taxes now. Just how much more would they have to pay to be considered “fair”?
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 16th, 2012
6:35 pm
Jay
you have finally decoded the Johnny Reb plan for the new tax code LOL
PJ
July 16th, 2012
6:36 pm
1. Talking about apples not falling far from the tree. Mitts apple fell off, rolled down the road and was run over by a car. Where’s the family honor.
2. Lets play fair children. After Mitt finally shows his taxes for at lest as many as the President we can then demand both of their college transcripts and writings. We can then request any reports of misbehavior or merit from senior and junior high school. And lastly any and all drawing from kindergarten must be presented. To bad they did not do ultrasounds in the 40’s, 50’s or 60’s then we could investigate them in the womb too.
3. When Reagan started taxing unemployment compensation the argument was that this money had already been taxed. If that didn’t work for the small amount received for unemployment then it should not work for capital gains. Hell, you only get about $25.00 a day for Jury Duty and that’s taxed (Also Reagan). If the men and women in the military are taxed at the regular rate then the millionaires and billionaires whose money and interest they are protecting need to pay not only as much but more.
Jay
July 16th, 2012
6:38 pm
JohnnyReb, I asked you first: Do you want to raise taxes on all those people?
Furthermore, the reason that richest Americans pay more of the tax these days is because they also collect a lot more of the income than they used to, as the Romneys illustrate quite well. It’s not because they’re being taxed more heavily. Again, look at the percentage paid by the two Romneys. George Romney probably would have thought it grossly unfair to be pay only 13.9 percent of his income in taxes.
kayaker 71
July 16th, 2012
6:40 pm
Perhaps the “rich” wouldn’t complain about a 39% tax rate if the 49% of Americans who are paying no federal income tax would pay their “fair share”. How’s that libs….. a 39% rate for the evil 1% if those who are paying nothing are forced to pay taxes. Maybe they can somehow forgo some of their food stamp money, you know that money that, in the state of MA, pays for tattoos, manicures, booze, ammo for your gun, lottery tickets and many other things that those on the dole cannot do without. All in the spirit of being “fair”.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
6:41 pm
Opponents have locked in enough votes to block Senate ratification of the controversial Law of the Sea treaty championed by White House and the Pentagon.”
THIS ^^^ is what i mean about the cons believing and then repeating everything that LimpBalls and Faux News tells them. It’s pathetic. Rush told ya’ll it was a bad thing, now you guys are foaming at the mouth like mad dogs.
Mr. Kerry’s office dismissed Mr. DeMint’s head-count, saying that vote counts taken months before a proposed vote are “just a snapshot of where our politics are in this instant.”
“No letter or whip count changes the fact that rock-ribbed Republican businesses and the military and every living Republican secretary of state say that this needs to happen, and that’s why it’s a matter of ‘when’ not ‘if’ for the Law of the Sea,” said Kerry spokeswoman Jodi Seth.
Ms. Seth said the senator’s decided long ago to hold off on requesting a vote on the treaty until after the November elections because “right now we’re in the middle of a white hot political campaign season where ideology is running in overdrive.”
“That’s why Senator Kerry made it clear from day one that there wouldn’t be a vote before the election and until everyone’s had the chance to evaluate the treaty on the facts and the merits away from the politics of the moment,” she said.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
July 16th, 2012
6:42 pm
If I were Romney, I would release my financial information as soon as Emperor Nero released his grades.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
6:42 pm
I say cut taxes for everyone (or keep them the same)
If you’ll cut spending
If not, well then the poor and middle class are going to have to pay higher taxes because the rich don’t make enough to pay all the freight democrats have loaded on the train
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
6:43 pm
“And you don’t want to ask the same of someone making $21 million a year?”
Hey Jay, how about a chart showing how unemployment will decrease to 4% if we could just increase the Mittster’s tax rate to 37%?
How about a chart showing how O’bozo’s stimulus did the same already?
How about a chart showing how Obamacare increased GDP growth to 5%?
Maybe a chart showing how Solyndra and similar boondoggles have moved us to energy independence?
I know, you can’t. O’bozo is an epic fail, from top to bottom, side to side.
He makes me nostalgic for Jimmy.
Tom Middleton
July 16th, 2012
6:43 pm
DebbieDoRight
If we don’t blink this cycle, we should be fine!
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
6:44 pm
“…until the 99% kicks their azzes and MAKES them give it up.”
Debbie is an Occutard anarchist.
Who saw that coming?
Doggone/GA
July 16th, 2012
6:45 pm
“If I were Romney, I would release my financial information as soon as Emperor Nero released his grades.”
Did Romney senior release HIS grades?
Mighty Righty
July 16th, 2012
6:45 pm
To be fair, Romney senior’s income tax paid as adjusted for inflation would have been $628,754 per year. So the message here is that successful people earn more money and pay more taxes than people who are uneducated, lack ambition, sponge off of their fellow citizens and never ever create wealth for other people let aloner a job. In short, the moochers do nothing to make our society better while complaining about and getting in the way of successful people. Our president, who I over estimated as being the dumbest president in our history is actually the dumbest human in our history. But then, I haven’t met a lot of Democrats. Obama’s statement that people who start, develop and grow business don’t start,develop and grow business is the most amazing and stupidest remark ever made by a sane human being. That remark explains why Obama doesn’t have a clue how to create one single job and why his “job” program has not worked, will not work, and has no chance of ever working. He is an economic ignoramous.
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
6:46 pm
Here’s some more of those taxing numbers: In 2009, 35,349,092 returns reporting AGI’s of less than $19,000 paid no federal income tax. Well, how is that possible. A married filing joint return would be able to claim two standard exemptions and one standard deduction for a total of $18,700 that can be earned in wages without paying any federal income taxes. And remember, the standard exemption and standard deduction are the ones that all tax return filers are allowed to claim, even if they make millions of dollars in earnings. But, at least some of those people that made less than $19,000 had to pay federal income taxes, right. Well, yes, 9 million returns with AGI’s of less than $19,000 paid some amount of federal income taxes.
tiredofIT
July 16th, 2012
6:47 pm
I wonder who the republicans have as a backup candidate. If Waffle’s keep it up he may have to dropout.
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
6:48 pm
“George Romney probably would have thought it grossly unfair to be pay only 13.9 percent of his income in taxes.”
And O’bozo’s momma and papa probably would have thought it grossly unfair that the US isn’t under communism, the system they taught him to revere.
Ever read his book?
Logic
July 16th, 2012
6:50 pm
Jay,
Why don’t you ever talk about the 48% of Americans that are total deadbeats…they pay NO INCOME taxes? Your hero (Obama) always talks about fairness…what is fair about 48% not pay ANY INCOME TAX?
Peter
July 16th, 2012
6:50 pm
Here is the results from the Bian capitol deal and the Steel company they bought and closed.
Our ruling
Obama’s ad, and the news release announcing it, packed a lot of claims about Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital and how it handled its investment in a Kansas City steel mill.
We are checking this claim: “After purchasing the company, Mitt Romney and his partners loaded it with debt, closed the Kansas City plant and walked away with a healthy profit, leaving hundreds of employees out of work with their pensions in jeopardy.”
We found, through corporate filings, interviews and investigations by other news organizations, that the statement is accurate but needs some clarification. First, it’s true that Bain added significantly to GST’s debt load while paying dividends to itself. The plant’s closure, however, happened after Romney had left daily operations at Bain, though he led Bain during six years of its majority investment in the plant. And other, outside factors were at work, making the steel industry a tough business. Steel prices were low and electricity costs were high, and those forces drove other steel mills out of business around the same time.
The statement’s last two claims are solid: Bain (and Romney) made a profit from taking over GST, and the employees lost many benefits their union had negotiated, including supplemental pension payments. The federal government had to step in to shore up the fund.
We rate the claim Mostly True.
josef
July 16th, 2012
6:50 pm
Anti-Obamistas..ooohhhh! Y’all need to take a break and watch “Political Animals” and get some good new one-liners!
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
6:51 pm
k71: Maybe they can somehow forgo some of their food stamp money, you know that money that, in the state of MA, pays for tattoos … …..blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
k71 — let’s hope that these things NEVAH happen to you, (if they do, please tell those on the blog so that we can get a good AHA! moment):
Bankruptcy due to a prolonged illnes of you or a family member
Bankruptcy due to your job being shipped overseas, or if you work for yourself –
–Bankruptcy due to no one having the money to “buy your wares”.
Bankruptcy due to some investment banker asconding of your money and going to South America to live in luxury.
Bankruptcy due to a catclysmic stock market crash that affects you because you, unwisely, put all your money in MItt For Pres stock.
Bankruptcy due to your out of control spending
And, my favorite….
Bankruptcy due to divorce (’cause your wife/significant other finally leaves you because she/he’s sick and tired of your crap AND he/she takes all your money and spends it on that no-good tax-dodging Mexican illegal yard guy who was cutting MORE than your grass).
Mitt Romney Booed For Dodging Tax Return Question CNN Debate 01-19-2012
July 16th, 2012
6:51 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=totRt7wks5I&feature=related
Peter
July 16th, 2012
6:52 pm
I guess the Republican’s have already forgotten about the Iraq war..and how they are to pay for it !
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
6:53 pm
Jay – the wife and I are small business people. Because we are an S-Corp the income shows on our personal return. We take all the legal deductions and have one of the most prestigious accounting firms on the South side of town. We still pay over 30% rate. We dont take vacation more than a day or two at a time and never stop working except for a few hours in the evening (I cheat and blog some during the day, as you know).
We are in the group Obama wants to raise our rate. You don’t hear me saying take it from Romney or someone else wealthier than I. They worked to get what they have, just like my wife and I have done.
I don’t need the government to spread my money around. It’s mine, not the government’s, and I don’t like at all what they are doing with it or want to do with it.
Those less fortunate than I – I’m ok with asistance to those incapable of working, but the idea that capable people are on the government assistance when they could be working, compared to how I work, is repulsive.
Woodstock Mike
July 16th, 2012
6:53 pm
This whole fake idea that higher income taxes on the rich is going to have any real effect on our economy really proves how unintelligent Democrats are…
Higher taxes on the rich is merely a political issue, Obama could really care less, but if he didn’t say he wanted to raise taxes on the rich he wouldn’t get elected. That simple.
Creating jobs is the issue this election, and everyone knows taxing the wealthy doesn’t create jobs for anyone. If you actually believe that taxing the wealthy creates jobs that’s scary.
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
6:53 pm
Sixty-three of the 8274 returns filed in 2009 with AGI’s greater than $10,000,000 paid no federal income tax.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 16th, 2012
6:53 pm
If I were Romney, I would release my financial information as soon as Emperor Nero released his grades.
Well, this is one more reason why I won’t run for President. To tell the truth, I’m a bit bashful about my school grades, tho I never made it to high school or even thru the 5th grade, tho I tried the 5th grade three times till I turned 16 and could quit. This is the Land of Freedom. You shouldn’t have to be a Norman Einsteen to be elected President. The way people go on and on about Obama’s grades just seems so unfair. Even if I hate the guy I got to feel sorry for him. I expect there’s lots of people spouting off on this blog that would be blushing if somebody leaked their school grades.
josef
July 16th, 2012
6:54 pm
LOGIC
You silly fool…economic deadbeats? Pray tell who’s doing all that low-paid dirt work with little or no health insurance, etc. etc. Have you ever worked out a household budget at TWO minimum wage jobs? Probably not. Those of y’all spouting this line don’t have sense enough to find your asses with both hands and a flashlight..
Woodstock Mike
July 16th, 2012
6:55 pm
I’ve never understood why in a poor economic time Democrats believe it’s smart to give the citizens less money and the government more? Something doesn’t sound right about that but call me crazy!!
Doggone/GA
July 16th, 2012
6:55 pm
“I wonder who the republicans have as a backup candidate. If Waffle’s keep it up he may have to dropout”
Not to worry. Ron Paul is waiting in the wings to stage a coup at the convention.
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 16th, 2012
6:56 pm
DDR@6:51 pm
That’s why I luves you girl
Jay
July 16th, 2012
6:57 pm
Here, in context, is what Mighty Righty has been instructed by his minders to believe is “the most amazing and stupidest remark ever made by a sane human being.”
“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. ”
Yeah, a wacky guy that Obama.
Seriously, is this all you guys got? Is that really how little it takes to make you feel all feisty and self-justified in your petulant little anger?
Doggone/GA
July 16th, 2012
6:57 pm
“Why don’t you ever talk about the 48% of Americans that are total deadbeats”
Typical con lazy assed deadbeat…wanting someone else to do their job for them.
blogspot.com is ready when you are, if you ever get up the energy.
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
6:57 pm
The average federal income tax paid was 25% of AGI for individual tax returns filed in 2009 with AGI’s from $1 million to less than $10 million.
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
6:58 pm
If O’bozo was accused, arrested, and charged with “Loving the USA,” the prosecutors, realizing they have no case, would immediately move for dismissal.
He’d walk every time.
tiredofIT
July 16th, 2012
6:58 pm
Anybody but Romney!
Senior Citizen Kane
July 16th, 2012
6:59 pm
What, exactly, does this have to do with Romney’s qualifications to be president? Anything to avoid discussing real issues. Of course, if I were part of the Obama machine, I’d want to avoid real issues too.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
7:00 pm
Stinkwitch: Debbie is an Occutard anarchist
Oh stinky, stinky, stinky (heavy sigh); you are sooo juvenile!! Just because I don’t believe in the 1% getting a free ride, I’m considered an anarchist? So our Pledge of Alliegiance should say:
I pledge allegiance to the rich people of the United States of America, and to the money for which they stands, one million dollars hidden under tax shelters and loopholes, indivisible, with liberty and justice for them only.
StinkWitch: Ever read his book?
Yes. Apparently you couldn’t — too many big words in there I bet.
tiredofIT
July 16th, 2012
7:02 pm
What, exactly, does this have to do with Romney’s qualifications to be president?
–
Most ridiculousness question of the day.
Obama's Coolest Moments
July 16th, 2012
7:03 pm
Gotta love our President!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXPE2OTgH4&feature=related
josef
July 16th, 2012
7:03 pm
DDDR
Hey, Girlfriend! Need the boa back….the sorry, lazy, low-down, good-for-nothing government employee deadbeat got called in back to work today…got to put on my best drag act…new principal!
bman
July 16th, 2012
7:03 pm
I believe Romney should release tax records several years back. We (citizens) deserve to know as much about someone who could be President as possible.
We sort of got away from the – who is this guy, what does he stand for etc… back in 2008. Even after 4 years, we still know very little about the current Prez.
Senior Citizen Kane
July 16th, 2012
7:04 pm
Most ridiculousness question? An Obama supporter for sure!
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 16th, 2012
7:04 pm
josef
6:54 pm
Those of y’all spouting this line don’t have sense enough to find your asses with both hands and a flashlight..
——————————————-
How could they hold the flashlight if they were trying to find their asses with both hands?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Lucifer
July 16th, 2012
7:05 pm
Truth 6:24 — Yes, we’re on the same page. I can’t wait until closer to the election when the ole “Etch a Sketch” comment from his campaign mouthpiece takes on a life of its own and bites him in the butt.
Erwin's cat
July 16th, 2012
7:06 pm
“George Romney probably would have thought it grossly unfair to be pay only 13.9 percent of his income in taxes.”
and then he would have paid it and moved on just like everyone else on this blog
what has he given to his church and charities? seriously i don’t know
Jay
July 16th, 2012
7:06 pm
I see that you continue to try to dodge my question, JohnnyReb:
Do you propose to raise taxes on the people I listed earlier? Or do you lack the conviction to apply your line of argument to actual, real-life human beings just trying to make it day to day?
Lucifer
July 16th, 2012
7:08 pm
Common sense 7:04 — If you’re searching for your ass with both hands who’s holding the flashlight?
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
7:08 pm
“They worked to get what they have, just like my wife and I have done.”
As Jay pointed out, Johnny, you don’t deserve your success. Your and your wife rode on the backs of others. Therefore, you must relinquish a greater and greater portion of your income to the government so that it can redistribute it to those it deems more worthy.
It’s the Marxist way. Jay and his lib ilk minions here wake up every morning and recite:
“From those according to their abilities…”
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
7:10 pm
josef: Hey, Girlfriend! Need the boa back….the sorry, lazy, low-down, good-for-nothing government employee deadbeat got called in back to work today…got to put on my best drag act…new principal!
Hey josef!!! you got called in to work!? In JULY?!?! You guys going t the “year round” system?
Oh and the boa is in the cleaners — Mr DoRight and i had a “skype” date last week and he wanted me to wear the boa. And some high heels.
josef
July 16th, 2012
7:11 pm
Common Sense, Lucifer
Think about it…well, maybe not…
Jay
July 16th, 2012
7:12 pm
Sinkwich, since you clearly can’t argue intelligently against what I actually say, you find it easier to invent silly statements, attribute them to me and then try to argue against those.
You fool no one but yourself by doing so, but I suspect that’s the audience you’re most worried about anyway.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
7:12 pm
Its better than reciting – I think I can. I think I can. And then running around with your head up your stinky azz.
tiredofIT
July 16th, 2012
7:13 pm
Senior Citizen Kane: So you think that the guy that is running on his experience as a powerful and wealthy business man should discuss his major achievement, Bain? He certainly seems confused about serveal issues. Please explain; “retroactively retired”?
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 16th, 2012
7:13 pm
So if I consult at a company and through my efforts the company saves millions possibly and regains a solid footing in the marketplace the owners made it on their own?
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
7:13 pm
Jay 6:57
The heart of the matter is that Obama doesn’t strike the right balance
He barely, at best cursorily, recognizes individual achievement and contribution
Everyone obviously recognizes it’s a networked economy where people are dependent on others, businesses know that as much as anyone
But no one in their right mind would ever insert this statement
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
7:14 pm
“If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
Insane statement
Obama is a closet commie, socialist, whatever
Good riddance
josef
July 16th, 2012
7:16 pm
DDR
Not year ’round school, but year round work (even if I’m not getting paid for it…) I won’t be in the classroom much this year. I’ve got a new assignment this year. I was looking over the job description duties/responsibilities today…boiled down? Be the diplomat! I’ll be in here in the p.m.’s to leave work behind, believe me!
The boa AND heels…hmmm…high heeled boots?
Lucifer
July 16th, 2012
7:17 pm
Truer words were never spoken — From Ann Coulter: “If we chose Christie for our nominee we’ll win. If we chose Romney we’ll lose. Nuff said.
kayaker 71
July 16th, 2012
7:17 pm
DDR,
So, you think that it is alright for those on food stamps to spend the government’s money on tattoos, booze, ammo, lottery tickets, manicures….. the bill went through the MA legislature which is dominated by liberals and was the first bi-partisan bill that had been passed in many years to restrict the limits on food stamp purchases. And when it came to the governor, Duvall Patrick, a good black governor who wants to maintain the black vote, he refused to sign it. Wouldn’t want to lose the black vote, now would we? And the worst part…… the recipient can take that EBT card and go to any ATM in MA and draw cash from the balance to pay for any damn thing that they want.
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
7:18 pm
And so the one stands at the podium and declares that my kingdom has made you what you are independent private sector entreprenueur, therefore you must give back 38% and more to my benevolent kingdom that made you the success you are.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
7:19 pm
The owners made it on their own daggummitt!!
Well they had LITTLE help from tax breaks…
And some help from lax laws……
And we can’t forget that help from those “illegals” that they pretend to NOT know they’re hiring………
oh and from paying only cursory taxes on their first 2million……
oh and subsidies…….
oh and insider trading…………..
oh right i forgot about those tax shelters and the fact that a lot of corporations don’t pay taxes…………….
oh wait, and let’s not forget the dumbing down of schools by taking out Evolution and putting in creationism in all text books…….the dumber the students, the dumber the populace……….
yep — they did it ALL ON THIER OWN and don’t you forget it!
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
7:21 pm
I suppose cons could always push to get rid of those nasty personal exemptions and that standard deduction since those two things prevent millions of folks making under $19,000 per year from paying any federal income taxes. Then again, if you get rid of their deductions and exemptions, shouldn’t you get rid of them for all filers, just to be fair.
Bernie
July 16th, 2012
7:22 pm
Mitt America wants YOU to show your PAPERS!
Senior Citizen Kane
July 16th, 2012
7:22 pm
Tiredofit:
The hypocrisy of the Obama criticism of Romney and Bain is monumental. Check out the resume of Michael Rattner, the man Obama named car czar. Then check out the tactics he used to restructure GM. It all might sound vaguely familiar.
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
7:23 pm
“Sinkwich, since you clearly can’t argue intelligently against what I actually say, it’s no doubt easier to invent statements, attribute them to me and then try to argue against those.”
Jay, I read, then interpret.
If you could provide an example, I’d be happy to respond.
tiredofIT
July 16th, 2012
7:23 pm
Michael Rattner is not running for President.
Senior Citizen Kane
July 16th, 2012
7:23 pm
Sorry, Steven Rattner
josef
July 16th, 2012
7:24 pm
All you folks talking about “the black vote.” Blacks comprise 13% of the population. Not exactly enough to get in a dither about whether you’ve got ‘em or not…even if you COULD lump them all together.
bman
July 16th, 2012
7:24 pm
If you fail with your business, dont pat yourself too much on the back. You didn’t get there all by yourself. Someone else helped make that failure happen.
Expect less
Obama 2012
Erwin's cat
July 16th, 2012
7:25 pm
Well they had LITTLE help from tax breaks…
And some help from lax laws……
do tell
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2012
7:26 pm
OK, here’s the entire Fright-Wing Neoliberal Mantra. Know it. Own it. If any of this sounds vaguely familiar to you, it’s because it’s what we’ve (and most of the World) has been living under for the past 40+ years. Most attributed to Milton Friedman –the arch-Neoliberalist.
Also heard on Lush Limpballs every day.
The supremacy of the free market. The market was to rule supreme, unrestrained by the intervention of government, labor unions, or anything else (other than corporate monopoly power) that constrained the operation of market forces, regardless of how much social disorder, suffering or exploitation results. Any undesirable effects are to be ascribed simply to “unidentified interventions” which, when they were identified, could be eliminated, and the problem solved thereby. Monopolies were simply assumed, against all evidence, to be self-limiting (though no one ever managed to explain how DeBeers Consolidated Mines had managed to create and maintain a worldwide monopoly on the diamond business for more than a century).
Cutting, and eliminating when possible, expenditure for social services. Again, in the name of reducing government interference in the market, it was not necessary for government to involve itself in social welfare programs. To explain the obvious suffering that results, it is therefore claimed that when the poor suffer, it is due to their own laziness that they do not better themselves. That the accumulation of money was equivalent to the accumulation of power, with its attendant distortion of the functionings of the market, was not a concern. That this led inevitably to the disempowerment of the poor was not a concern – the poor were blamed for their condition by claiming their “inferiority” or “bad decisions.” Social justice was a non-issue.
Deregulation. If government is interfering in the market, it will only lead to a loss of profits, and therefore, government regulation had to be assumed to be bad. Therefore, it has to be reduced or eliminated, even in monopolistic situations. One neoliberal, Grover Norquist, an official in the George W. Bush administration commented that he wanted to reduce the size of government to the point where he “could drown it in the bathtub” – and then go on to do so.
Privatization. Since government is assumed, as a given, to be inefficient, lazy, bloated and uneconomical in the provisioning of goods and services, it was only reasonable to presume that private enterprise could and would perform the delivery of services in a more efficient manner, and hence any activity that delivers goods or services to citizens should and must be privatized. Never was an explanation offered for the contrary incentive of capitalism – that the capitalist’s basic profit-driven incentive is to charge as much money as possible for providing as few goods and services as possible.
Elimination of the concept of “Community” or the “Common Good.” Since this is antithetical to the notion of privatization and “rugged individualism,” the concept of the commons (the air we must all breathe, the water we must all drink, etc.) to them, reeks faintly of Communism, it is assumed to be bad, wrong, and hence is oppositional to the “neoliberal” agenda. Such notions as public health, public education, etc., are to be replaced by private initiative, as anything else is simply considered to be a manifestation of lassitude, indolence and governmental dependence.
Such as it is. This, in a nutshell, is the “disease” that infects America, yea the World.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
7:26 pm
Coulter is a moron
kayaker 71
July 16th, 2012
7:26 pm
“You private businesses didn’t make that business succeed on it’s own”. “If it hadn’t been for government, you would have never succeeded.” “Government invented the internet”. “You can keep your own doctor”. “You can keep your own health insurance plan”. “Anyone making under 250K/yr will not have to pay increased income taxes….. not one thin dime”. “This Affordable Health Care act will cost only 940B dollars”. “The Affordable Health Care Act will not cost the American taxpayer any additional outlay.”. All lies.
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 16th, 2012
7:27 pm
Kay@7:17
cut the crap about SNAP funds. Some busimesses may illegally accept SNAP/EBT cards for non-eligible purchases but the rules are:
http://www.massresources.org/snap-use-benefits.html#items
and
http://asktheexpert.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5267
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
7:30 pm
Jay – I have no problem reducing assistance to all but the elderly and handicapped. That would prompt those capable to go to work even if it was at minimum wage.
Now, you answer my question – what is a fair rate? I pay over 30% now and Obama wants to raise my rate on AGI in excess of $250K. You think that is fair?
Thomas
July 16th, 2012
7:30 pm
So it seems unanimous- we have in one corner a candidate born rounding third sliding into home and in the other a person who became Pres with no discernible accomplishments other than organizing folks and having books written about himself. Sounds like the great American taxpayer is the loser once again.
kayaker 71
July 16th, 2012
7:30 pm
Common Sense, 7:27,
Not in MA.
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 16th, 2012
7:32 pm
Kay
the first website is for Mass.
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
7:32 pm
josef
July 16th, 2012
7:24 pm
All you folks talking about “the black vote.” Blacks comprise 13% of the population. Not exactly enough to get in a dither about whether you’ve got ‘em or not…even if you COULD lump them all together.
_______________
Then why is what seems every decision that comes down the pike framed around what it will or will not do for blacks?
josef
July 16th, 2012
7:33 pm
Common Sense
That SNAP one is about the funniest thing they’ve come up with yet. This is probably the only government program that IS putting more money into the private sector and creating jobs. The more groceries you buy, the greater Whole Foods profit, the more farm products they buy, the more farmworkers they put to work, the more truckers to get it to the processors, the more jobs at the processing plant, the more trucks to get it to market, the more stock clerks, check out personnel….etc. etc. This is trickle down at its best…
tiredofIT
July 16th, 2012
7:33 pm
Romney’s Bain Yielded Private Gains, Socialized Losses
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-15/romney-s-bain-yielded-private-gains-socialized-losses.html
Senior Citizen Kane
July 16th, 2012
7:33 pm
You’re right, TiredofIt, Rattner is not running for president. Therefore, he can state the truth:
“I don’t think there’s anything Bain Capital did that they need to be embarrassed about.”
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
7:34 pm
josef you won’t be able to work with kids anymore? but you LOVE working with the kids!! that sucks!!
Oh and no, not boots it was a pair that looked like this:
http://www.amiclubwear.com/shoes-heels-elf-brandy-2red.html
There’s something about a tall girl in a pair of tall shoes that really makes him ………… “smile”.
k71: DDR,
So, you think that it is alright for those on food stamps to spend the government’s money on tattoos, booze, ammo, lottery tickets, manicures….. the bill went through the MA legislature
K71 my tax money go towards the state of GEORGIA in order to facilitate such things as road construction, UI, etc.
You’re having problems with Mass — sorry but I have my own problems and I’m just not that worked up over Mass.’s problems.
Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people
July 16th, 2012
7:35 pm
Bman 7:24 good point
The banks are obviously not at fault for almost blowing up the financial system with too much leverage
Someone else is
And the steel companies that go bankrupt, also not the fault of management
kayaker 71
July 16th, 2012
7:35 pm
Common Sense, 7:32,
Then why would a bi-partisan bill pass the MA legislature to restrict use of this program if there was not this fraud going on. The MA legislature has over 200 Democrats and only 17 Republicans. The whole bunch felt a need to pass restrictions for usage. Think there was a reason for this?
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
7:36 pm
The swine bow down to the “One” who tells them to worship and the “One” commands them to accept only him as their ruler and they do in their unconditional surrendered obedience.
josef
July 16th, 2012
7:38 pm
Johnny Reb
Not being snarky, but you tell me…you seem to be as taken with it as any black I know of…
I’m not arguing that it’s not quite the meme, and no small part of it has to do with a coterie of self-appointed mouthpieces whose rent and reputations are predicated on keeping it going, but they have their strange bedfellows playing the same game. It’s a diversion by both groups and has little or no relation to the outcome of an election in the national arena. It’s, imauo, a waste of both “sides’” shot.
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2012
7:38 pm
tiredofIT: you ought to ashamed of posting an article from that shameless LIBERAL rag, Bloomberg! Do you really expect any of the Fright-Wing here to believe anything from THEM?
kayaker 71
July 16th, 2012
7:39 pm
joseph, 7:33,
Yeah, but wouldn’t it be much better if those buying these commodities were doing it with a salary from a good paying job? No food stamps, no government involvement, no government dependency….. all done on their own without the government involved.
Joseph
July 16th, 2012
7:39 pm
Honestly jay why raise taxes when Oblama and the dems won’t cut spending… And by the way why are they just now worrying about the debt??? Seems to me that should have been thought of from day 1 instead of spending close to 6 trillion dollars in 4 years….
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 16th, 2012
7:41 pm
Kay
Like I stated. Some of the good small business peoples that are so adored may be allowing SNAP/EBT card holders to purchase items that are not supposed to be allowed.
That happens in every state (not just Mass).
Blame the store owners for accepting illegal purchases
josef
July 16th, 2012
7:41 pm
DDR
I’ll still be doing a lot of work with the kids, just not so much in the classroom. They’re still front and center in what I’ll be doing. The positive side of this is that I’ll be less tied to a schedule and will be able to allot my time more effectively…it will be more in line with my role as an interpreter…
Jm
July 16th, 2012
7:42 pm
Another headline under the category of “Atlanta is stupid”
So, smoking in restaurants and bars is ok. But smoking in the open air of a park is illegal.
So stupid it defies words. Almost.
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/atlanta-passes-smoking-ban-1479016.html
josef
July 16th, 2012
7:43 pm
KAYAKER
Where are those jobs, though? And you’d be surprised perhaps at home much of the food stamp budget goes to the working poor.
Mighty Righty
July 16th, 2012
7:45 pm
It is time for Obama to come clean with the american people. No more hiding and lying. No more deception, No more double talk. No more deflection. Let us have the proof. If he is not the most dishonest, the most secretive president ever, then It is time to release his college transcripts. It is time to tell us why his social security number is from a state he never lived in. It is time he explained why his selective service card is an apparent forgery. It is time he explained why he has employed an armada of attorneys to keep his vital and personal records hidden and not available to the public. He wants our trust, he should demonstrate his commitment to the truth and return that trust. What is he hiding? Is he a US citizen? Did he attend college as a foreign exchange student?. Did he live in the foreign students dorms while at Harvard? What were his High School grades like? Was he an affirmative action student? Who paid for his college education? Was he a drug dealer? We know he was a heavy user. We know of his communist party connections. Was he ever a member of the communist party? How come so many of his friends and acquainences are communists and or anti american blame the US for everything flag haters. Come on now, communists are scarce as hens teeth and he knows a lot of them? Why? Come on folks. Why did he resign from the Illinois Bar Association while he was being investigated by the Bar for fraudulent errors on his application for membership. It is past time to vet the man in the white house. It is past time to find out who this man is that has his finger on the nucleur button. I mean really, we know more about Mitt Romney than we do about Barack Obama. We know where Mitt was born, when, who his parents were. He as has a track record of success in every endeavor he has ever been in charge of. We know who he is? He was hired as head of the Salt Lake City Olympics, to bail them out of trouble which he did. He was responsible for the success of many businesses. His businesses created thousands of new jobs. He obtained two degrees at the same time. He was governor of a state that had serious financial problems and he left them with budget financial reserves. Heck, people he went to school and university with remember him unlike Obama who no one remembers even being there. If Obama has nothing to hide, fine. Put the documents out there. In until he does I will think he has something to hide and I will bet it is something so bad, so derogatory that he is scared to death for it to be known. I believe his followers are scared too, which is why the present deflection campaign to focus on Romneys tax returns. The DNC sent out a memo to all to deflect, deflect, deflect. Watch the left, keep your eye on the left hand folks.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 16th, 2012
7:45 pm
Well, good to hear they’re kicking josef out of the classroom. Things is looking up. We don’t need our kids being influenced by, uh, Certain People.
josef
July 16th, 2012
7:46 pm
JM
Yeah. That was my thought!
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
7:47 pm
This mistake should be recognized by most voters who’ll hopefully turn this fraud of a president back to the activists in Illinois and let him be their problem and not the nations.
bman
July 16th, 2012
7:48 pm
JM … … It’s ridiculous. One of the things that bothered me about the former administration is that you knew every time the man spoke, the word “terrorists” was going to be the subject. He didn’t talk about anything else!
Obama, after only 3 1/2 years, has become just as predictable. He just has to talk about the people who have “too much” and demonize them. The strings on the puppets simply wont work if he doesn’t play that card.
He takes credit for anything good (which is rare), but he seems to forget that people are struggling, the economy is suffering- and it’s on his watch. But, where does he place the blame?
He’s a smooth talker and puppet master.
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
7:48 pm
“sorry but I have my own problems ”
Debbie’s got lots, apparently.
But all is of her own making.
But she has to always blame others.
Classical lib ilk.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 16th, 2012
7:49 pm
Birthers
such nonsense.
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
7:52 pm
josef – I jumped in with my caustic remark not knowing the full history of your posts. I have been going back and forth with Jay. He wants me to be a mean guy and state I would starve the poor before raising taxes. I want him to admit we already have the most progressive taxing structure in the universe and increasing it is not the answer. Don’t bet on either of us giving in.
My remark was in the context of you staing the black population is 13% and, my understanding, would have little impact on the election outcome.
My remark was, I can seldom watch a political show where there is not a mouthpiece talking about this that and the other affecting the black community. Decisions affect us all, not just blacks. And for one, I’m past being tired of mouthpieces framing issues as if blacks deserve priority or are owed more than others.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
7:53 pm
Bman
Obama is a joke
And a big disappointment
Josef
That is the most absurd thing ever
Atlanta is just about the last major city to permit smoking in bars and restaurants
But not the parks
Shows the city itself is as backwards as the metro region
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
7:54 pm
MR, O’bozo will never get any scrutiny by the media.
They are in the tank for him, and always will be.
A fact of life the Mittster must deal with.
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2012
7:54 pm
“We don’t need our kids being influenced by, uh, Certain People.”
Redneck: you don’t mean people what live in “Certain Sections” of Buckhead do you?
josef:
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
7:54 pm
Truly amazing how many otherwise intelligent people on the left could allow themselves to be so greatly duped by a far-left radical agenda that’s so far out of touch with the American traditionalist majority.
Pizzaman
July 16th, 2012
7:55 pm
A couple days ago I asked 3 questions about Mitt here and over at the other place. I wasn’t able to follow up here because I got involved in name calling over there and some of his/hers? posts and mine were removed. But I have to say Dave didn’t remove my 3 questions. Thanks Dave.
I have gotten an answer to one of my questions: where did the uniforms for Salt Lake City come from. According to Google (thanks Tiberius) they came from Burma. So even if Mitt wasn’t at Bain then, as he claims, he was still outsourcing.
I also want to know if it’s true Mitt got a draft deferment from Vietnam because he claimed to be an ordained minister. I resent this as a Vietnam vet!
Vote early, vote often!
Joseph
July 16th, 2012
7:55 pm
Another Oblama failure…….
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/238081-obama-misses-new-budget-deadline
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 16th, 2012
7:57 pm
you would think Faux News would go after Obama but apparently they don’t have anyone with the intelligence to do investigative reporting….. well according to our conned, who apparently can’t turn Fox off.
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:00 pm
Johnny Reb
You and the Imam come to consensus? You’d both explode!
But as to the point at hand. I don’t know if you caught it this weekend, but I had an exchange with Carlos who (are you ready for this? Didn’t know I was gay!!) Anyway, all of the sudden his attitude toward me changed since I was, evidently, now a fully qualified member of the “deep psychological problems stemming back to early childhood, rural Southern bless your heart you poor thing” club. That “what I went through” was no difference in substance than what any other human being goes through just didn’t click.
There are issues that, yes, I am interested in hearing a this, that, or the other label response to, but not, for the love of G-d, the forest fires in Colorado!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 16th, 2012
8:01 pm
Oy vey Recon…. you keep running away from the question each time you post that “traditional” value garbage…. you still for separate but equal, no women voting, women paid less than men for same job….. which traditional values you whining for…. the 60’s?
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2012
8:01 pm
Me, I’d rather have my children taught by a brilliant, multilingual, bright light than a 5th grade dropout. And that’s the truth!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 16th, 2012
8:01 pm
The major indices closed lower today by less than ½ of 1% lower and you think that’s cause for alarm?
You’re coming unhinged, Sink.
G Mare
July 16th, 2012
8:01 pm
Thanks for Obama’s Coolest Moments!
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
8:02 pm
We have such a progressive tax structure given that it allows hedge fund managers to make a billion and pay 17% and it allows Mitt to make his millions and pay 14% and it allows a couple making $15,000 to pay no federal income tax and it allows 16,619 filers making between $200,000 and $500,000 in AGI to pay zero federal income taxes. How horrid! And so progressive.
gm
July 16th, 2012
8:02 pm
How stupid is middle white, poor conservatives? supporting a guy who had a hand in sending our jobs overseas, yet scum bag, high school drop out Rush Limbaugh has the neve saying Obama hates America.
This man has made millions off the expense of middle class workers, yet he stands in front of these idiots and tell them he is bringing back jobs he helped destroyed, the right has proven there hate and bigotory to Obama is stronger then their American pride.
Erwin's cat
July 16th, 2012
8:02 pm
Keep – is that like the “income taxers”…utter nonsense
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
8:03 pm
“I also want to know if it’s true Mitt got a draft deferment from Vietnam because he claimed to be an ordained minister.”
Stop reading Salon and you might learn some facts.
Did you serve with Jammie?
He won the MOH you know.
TGT
July 16th, 2012
8:04 pm
Wash. Post Fact Checker: Romney’s effective tax rate is higher than about 80% of Americans paying taxes. Also, one ”LITTLE” thing the libs such as Jay seem to ALWAYS leave out when talking about Romney and his taxes: his tax burden is less than it would be because (unlike most libs—especially the politicians) he is personally generous with his money—he gives a lot (about $7 million in 2010 and 2011) to charity!!!
Also: Romney paid both 15% (capital gains) AND corporate income taxes (usually 30%+) on his investments, as all do.
Here’s what it boils down to: In 2011 (I know, not the 2010 that Jay was referring to, but close enough), 2011 the Romneys paid out 42 percent of their income in taxes and charity.
JohnnyReb
July 16th, 2012
8:04 pm
josef – I missed the exchange with Carlos. So, all of a sudden you were not an a$$hole. Hillarious.
No, you are a human just like the rest of us deserving of no more or no less respect than you earn. You are doing OK in that department BTW.
Regards, I’m out of here. I think the boss has dinner almost ready.
Willie
July 16th, 2012
8:05 pm
I like Obama’s versions of “history” in which America is just an oppressive colonial power that happened to elect him as president. Maybe Michelle can be proud now.
Let’s hope it ends soon.
BTW, does Jay’s job depend on faithfullly shilling for the democrats? Has he ever had an independent thought? Or is he just a kept tool?
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
8:06 pm
“This man has made millions off the expense of middle class workers, yet he stands in front of these idiots and tell them he is bringing back jobs he helped destroyed, the right has proven there hate and bigotory to Obama is stronger then their American pride.”
Someone once said that life is hard, but it’s harder if you’re stupid.
gm
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
8:06 pm
Gm’s existence must be grueling.
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
8:07 pm
Keep,
Why do you need to be such an ass. I typically ignore your posts because in my opinion they lack substance. If you feel the same about mine, scroll past and move on. Go roll your eyes in the mirror, you’re not impressive.
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
8:08 pm
And to think the cons on here complain about taxes that affect everyone equally. Yes, that sales tax called T-SPLOST. Cons should be rejoicing at the prospect of shifting more tax burden onto the poorest via a tax on groceries and medicine and clothing, etc.
Erwin's cat
July 16th, 2012
8:10 pm
$17M isn’t enough?
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2012
8:10 pm
OK! Here’s actual footage of the U.S. warship firing on an Indian fishing vessel of Abu Dhabi. WARNING! Some of you may find this disturbing! VIEW AT YOUR OWN RISK!
G Mare
July 16th, 2012
8:10 pm
Ah, Willie, perhaps you would be more at home on Kyle’s blog?
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
8:10 pm
“Whining” the soft left jab from the left. You pathetic small people don’t have much.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 16th, 2012
8:11 pm
Oh another Recon childish temper tantrum…. too bad you can’t back up your nonsense with real substance. All your internet chest thumping and you cry like a baby when someone challenges you.
Again, what traditional values? …. back up your nonsense Recon…..
TGT
July 16th, 2012
8:12 pm
Also: When it comes to the libs obsession with Romney’s wealth:
According to 24/7 Wall Street, many U.S. Presidents were among the wealthiest (using 2011 dollars) Americans of their time. In fact, according to 24/7’s figures, Romney would be far from the richest president in U.S. history.
That honor would go to our first President, George Washington. With his vast amount of land (approximately 60,000 acres), his wife’s inheritance, and given that his presidential salary was two percent of the total U.S. federal budget in 1789, 24/7 Wall Street estimates that Washington was an elite “one-percenter” with a net-worth of about $525 million.
Thomas Jefferson was also a “one-percenter.” With his architecturally extravagant home, Monticello, containing 11,000 square feet of living space and perched on a 5,000 acre estate, Jefferson had an estimated worth of $212 million.
James Madison and Andrew Jackson were both worth north of $100 million, while John Adams, James Monroe, and John Quincy Adams were all worth over $20 million.
Teddy Roosevelt was born into significant wealth and was the beneficiary of a large trust fund, which, of course would make him one of the most reviled of the “one-percenters.” His net worth was estimated to be $125 million. This means that if Abraham Lincoln hadn’t been such a slacker (worth less than $1 million), Mount Rushmore could have been named “One Percent Peak.”
Teddy’s fifth cousin and later U.S. President, Franklin Roosevelt, was also born into privilege that qualified him as a “one-percenter.” As a youth, he made frequent trips to Europe, attended an elite boarding school, and later went to Harvard. The architect of the New Deal was also the beneficiary of a large inheritance. He had an estimated wealth of $60 million.
However, each of these pales in comparison to the Kennedy family fortune. Preceding his father Joe Kennedy in death, John F. Kennedy was unable to inherit his father’s vast wealth. And vast it was. Through stock, industrial, commodity, and real estate investing, along with what some have deemed to be illicit means, Joe Kennedy accumulated a truly enormous amount of wealth. In 1957, when Forbes magazine published its first list of the richest Americans, Kennedy’s fortune was estimated to be between $200 and $400 million ($1.6 to $3.5 billion in today’s dollars). This placed him in Forbes’ top 20.
If alive today, perhaps President Kennedy, when addressing the Occupiers (if he were allowed to speak) would utter something like, “Ask not what your country can do for you, just ask a ‘one-percenter’ like me!”
Thanks
July 16th, 2012
8:12 pm
Easy to see the Romneys are very good businessmen. Just what we need.
Quagmire
July 16th, 2012
8:12 pm
Funny how GOP rednecks talk about how President Obama needs to come clean. Did Bush ever come clean about Iraq………………..No, or Weapons of Mass Destructions……………..No…………………so, GOP, go and eat a FAT ONE.
Your boy got us in this mess this like the economy, President O will have to get us out. Please bring up Ronald Reagan, how he left us in DEBT, but we wont bring that up or the $3.5B he lelft us in Debt but we put that on President Obama. After you stop touching your sister, come and talk to me………………………..GOP Sucks.
RB from Gwinnett
July 16th, 2012
8:12 pm
We know less about this clown in the white house than any president in history and not once has jay written about it. You’re a two bit hack jay. The frigging globe is more believable than you. Geez…
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2012
8:14 pm
Ooooops! A minor technical glitch! Film at eleven!
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
8:15 pm
recon @7:36 is talking about LimpBalls..
StinkWitch: I read, then interpret. If you could provide an example, I’d be happy to respond
How about this:
I am Sam
Sam I am
Do you like
green eggs and ham
I do not like them,
Sam-I-am.
I do not like
green eggs and ham.
Would you like them
Here or there?
Simple enough for ya?
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:15 pm
DDR
Those shoes! Yow-suh! I bet he does like it…
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:15 pm
“You pathetic small people don’t have much.”
Yet it is YOU who come here daily with all the reasons and whines as to why Obama will lose even though your boy Rasmussen’s Electoral College projections beg to differ.
And you earlier nonsense about the EC means nothing is either naive or ignorant. Both camps are using internal and external EC polling and projections to set their battle plans
gm
July 16th, 2012
8:16 pm
F. Sinkwich
The truth hurts”
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:18 pm
BOTH
I was wondering if you were here!
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:19 pm
Recon
You need some brie to go along with that whine you bring daily with your
If this happens
If that occurs
Well this means nothing at this time
If Romney was the clear leader YOU would be touting it as Gospel, but he is not and all you have is “ifs and buts” at this point in time
Still early, but your boy needs a KNOCK OUT during the debates.
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2012
8:19 pm
I know I’m not alone in saying that you just can’t trust Indians in fishing boats. You just don’t know if they’re there to outsource your job or not! So, blast away!
And, I was so hoping this was going to be the false flag event that would lead to the next war.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:19 pm
josef
EOI
Reporting for DUTY
Democrats Mock GOP For Protecting Own Health Care In Repeal Vote
July 16th, 2012
8:22 pm
WASHINGTON — Democrats are mocking Republicans in the House of Representatives for voting to repeal the health care reform law and keep their own enhanced medical care.
When Congress passed the health care law, it required members of Congress to get their insurance on exchanges with the rest of the public. But in voting to repeal that law, Republicans and a handful of Democrats were also voting to go back to the old system where the lawmakers get a sweeter deal than most of the rest of the country.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/16/health-care-democrats-gop-repeal-vote_n_1675551.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
8:22 pm
“You pathetic small people don’t have much.” – Excerpt from Gulliver’s Travails
weetamoe
July 16th, 2012
8:24 pm
That *passive, non working investor* worked so he could enjoy the rewards of his efforts. You know we have to go to European newspapers to get information about Obama’s irrational campaign rhetoric, but every rumor or innuendo about Romney or one or another of his possible vp picks is re-re-re-repeated in US media outlets.
I have never heard a conservative say *librul* or *gubmint* as some of your regulars seem to hear. They should stroll through a few enemy camps once in a while or at least quit following the advice in that little blue book.
Jesse Jr’s Momma says he is hospitalized suffering from *enormous disappointment* because he thought he was gonna be a senator, and then he wanted to be mayor. He coulda been a contenduh if Fitzgerald had not gotten a little too close.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 16th, 2012
8:24 pm
Is “pathetic small people” PC? Shouldn’t that be “pathetic little people”
G Mare
July 16th, 2012
8:24 pm
Josef & Debbie, are those shoes still called “knock me down & f— me pumps?
Doggone/GA
July 16th, 2012
8:25 pm
Just heard something on TV. Don’t know who just said it, but “Mitt Romney – all flannel and no calouses”
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:25 pm
josef
Friday night my gf and I are taking my mom ( dad isn’t up for concerts) to see the Dukes of September.
They are a super band comprised of Donald Fagen, Michael McDonald and Boz Scaggs.
Check out the set list below from a few weeks ago. My mom loves McDonald and Scaggs. That is my bday present to my lovely mother who will have blessed this earth for another yr this Wednesday.
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dukes-of-september-rhythm-revue/2012/orpheum-theatre-vancouver-bc-canada-bdcb91e.html
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:25 pm
BOTH
Good! I’m going to have to cut back on my EOI hours!
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
8:26 pm
StinkWitch as usual is putting down something he knows nothing about — Veterans. He was either too unpatriotic or too yella to go; so he sneers at someone who had the moral balls to do it.
StinkWitch: Debbie’s got lots, apparently.
But all is of her own making.
But she has to always blame others.
Classical lib ilk
Hey stinkie! I understand what you want, what you’re looking for in life, never fear. I’ll get one of my good friends, Bubba Doo, to take are of ya; he has something for your yella mouth. Open wide, so that you can find fulfillment.
It may even help your skin and your disposition too. Don’t thank me, I’ve always been kind to animals.
gm
July 16th, 2012
8:26 pm
The right run their mouth about the love of America, but supports Mitt who have millions around the world, sent American jobs around the world, please hypocrites on the right take your American flag and stick it, you are the traders supporting this piece of rich scum.
JamVet
July 16th, 2012
8:27 pm
Limbaugh began his career in radio as a teenager in 1967 in his hometown of Cape Girardeau, using the name Rusty Sharpe.[4][6] Limbaugh graduated from Cape Girardeau, Missouri Central High School, in 1969. Because of his parents’ desire to see him attend college, he enrolled in Southeast Missouri State University but left the school after two semesters and one summer. According to his mother, “he flunked everything”, and “he just didn’t seem interested in anything except radio.”
I never knew this, but now I get it!
No wonder he never struck me as any smarter that your average hamburger flipper for life.
Which also explains his decades long penchant for his plethora of staggeringly stupid statements. Statements befitting a poorly read dropout.
Another non-pretty faced fraud with a “radio voice”…
marko
July 16th, 2012
8:27 pm
It’s been reported that Mitt gave John McCain 27 years of his tax returns when he was being considered for the VP gig. If your important enough Mitt will share his documents with you. Those that know how many houses we own obviously aren’t important enough. Trust the Mittster, he’ll decide what we need to know.
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:27 pm
GOOD FIGHT
@ 8:24
G-MARE
I haven’t heard that term in YEARS! But that’s sure what we called them back in the day, wasn’t it…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 16th, 2012
8:28 pm
Mitt is hanging out with guys who do business with the Chinese Mob…. what a thug!
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:28 pm
Quagmire
Can you tell us your definition of a “redneck” and if it encompasses only one party?
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:29 pm
josef @ 8:25
I have been the last two weeks. Been here but not as much time. Have to pack a punch when I am here
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
8:29 pm
Romney Olympics outsourced uniforms to Burma! Tell me it ain’t so!
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
8:29 pm
Josef & Debbie, are those shoes still called “knock me down & f— me pumps?
Hell yeah!
Jm
July 16th, 2012
8:29 pm
Romney knows carried interest needs reform
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
8:31 pm
“Hey stinkie! I understand what you want, what you’re looking for in life, never fear. I’ll get one of my good friends, Bubba Doo, to take are of ya; he has something for your yella mouth. Open wide, so that you can find fulfillment.”
DebbieDo has a poopy brain.
But then again she’s an O’bozo supporter.
It figures.
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2012
8:31 pm
“[H]e never struck me as any smarter that your average hamburger flipper for life.
Which also explains his decades long penchant for his plethora of staggeringly stupid statements. Statements befitting a poorly read dropout.”
He gets all his “talking points” every morning from The Heritage Foundation and American for Prosperity. Thinking isn’t his strong point. He is a parrot. Nothing more, nothing less.
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:31 pm
ZamVet
That’s PUDDY-faced fraud!
BOTH
Wow! Just wow! And neat y’all are taking Mama…cherish every minute.
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:31 pm
ZamVet
That’s PUDDY-faced fraud!
BOTH
Wow! Just wow! And neat y’all are taking Mama…cherish every minute.
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:33 pm
I guess something not worth saying is not worth saying twice! Oy…
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
8:34 pm
“No wonder he never struck me as any smarter that your average hamburger flipper for life.”
Then why does your hero and savior, O’bozo, refer to him at all?
Oh, yeah, he’s successful. More than you.
So he deserves the hate, right?
Pathetic lib ilks…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 16th, 2012
8:35 pm
Well, you can hang me if I ever beleive Sooth anymore. I was all set to watch this war footage and then I realized I was had. But it was a pretty good had. I set thru all 1 minute and 2 seconds of it and never even blinked. I kept telling the missus, “I’ll be right there, hon. Soon as I watch this pair of big warships.”
barking frog
July 16th, 2012
8:39 pm
josef
DebbieDo is hot! Carrying
a briefcase with her suit on
she is a concealed weapon!
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:41 pm
There was a time when the conservatives had William F. Buckley and Florence King…among the greatest wordsmiths in the 20th Century English language…now all they’ve got is the not even quasi literate Limbaugh…sad…
Incidentally, the liberals ain’t doin’ much better…
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:41 pm
josef
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCY2DW6NBxI&feature=relmfu
Of course they do tunes from their respective careers, but half the show is cover tunes from several genres.
JamVet
July 16th, 2012
8:41 pm
Intellectual curiosity. It seems to be dead in this modern GOP.
They used to have numerous men in positions of power who prided themselves on their superior intellect.
Now it seems they do not value it at all. Instead their mental giants are George W. Bush and Andrew Breitbart. (Oops, in the last case make that were) Shakespeare??? Who was he?
They’ve cheered on he removal of the humanities (We don’t need no stinking music and art appreciation) and physical education from our public schools.
To the point where they now ridicule accepted science and want to teach unintelligent design.
Even their MDs (Frist and Price) appear to be low brow nuts…
The Death of the Republican Intellectual
http://tongodeon.livejournal.com/775030.html
This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell, my blessing season this in thee! !Polonius, Hamlet Act 1, scene 3
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2012
8:41 pm
Redneck: you prevert!
josef’s done got you dead to rights. You ain’t nothin’ but trailer trash!
Stay up there in Forsyth County where you belong!
Mark in mid-own
July 16th, 2012
8:41 pm
Jay Bookman writes: “the reason that richest Americans pay more of the tax these days is because they also collect a lot more of the income than they used to”
—————————————————————————————————————
Is this really true, or true to anywhere near the degree you think it is Jay? And by “used to” do you meant the 1990s, or perhaps the 1950s?
Most of the wealthy derive increases in their wealth from stock market gains. But the stock market hasn’t really gone anywhere in over a decade.
Also, lower marginal income tax rates and capital gains and dividend rates also mean that less income is hidden. Marginal tax rates were very high in the 1950s. But the 1950s was before the computer age. The very wealthy in the 1950s very easily could hide income and not report it. There wasn’t a computer trail of every transaction one undertook. There were also massive tax shelters as well where income ended up being categorized as something else.
So it’s hard to really know just how much the income of the rich has risen compared to past times as opposed to how much of the income is now out in the open and actually reported compared to past times.
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:42 pm
FROG
And thass a fact!
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
8:43 pm
Evening Frog! Hiya doing today?
gm
July 16th, 2012
8:44 pm
Could you imagine the hate against Obama if their was any proof he was help shipping or had a hand in sending jobs overseas? could you imagine 3 times college drop out Sean Hannity? night after night bashing Obama along with ex druger, top 10 DJ, high school drop out Rush Limbaugh?
What a bunch of hyporcites on the right””’
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
8:44 pm
“They used to have numerous men in positions of power who prided themselves on their superior intellect.”
Like who?
RINOs?
ragnar danneskjold
July 16th, 2012
8:45 pm
George Romney was a RINO, and I have it on good authority that his cognitive capacities were laundered. Glad to see his son has some backbone, willing to call, accurately, the current president a prevaricator.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:45 pm
DDR
What’s up lady? Hope all is well.
Keep giving them hell
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:46 pm
BOTH
Thanks for turning me on to them…got some sampling I’m gonna have to do there…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 16th, 2012
8:46 pm
I have to say, I took my service dog to vote today. Despite having ID, they still would not let her vote…. I am sure that it must be those new laws holding her back.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
8:47 pm
Romney is a practical conservative
Obama is a left wing socialist
I prefer Romney
barking frog
July 16th, 2012
8:48 pm
DebbieDo
o.k. saw where you skype
dated with the boa and
high heels. dudley is a
lucky man.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:48 pm
Rags
Yeah boy, except for all those back flips to appease the social conservatives, I would say his backbone is just like the one of a jellyfish.
Steadfast I say, steadfast
One thing to say you are backing him because you think he will do a better job, however it is another to be delusional
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
8:49 pm
Lib ilks like Jammie always consider those with “superior intellect” hold their same anti-American views.
Go figure.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
8:49 pm
“Keep giving them hell”
She does nothing of the sort
She does display a copious amount of ignorance though
Tundra Dude
July 16th, 2012
8:50 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight! wrote:
Mitt is hanging out with guys who do business with the Chinese Mob…
maybe they’re cheap labor…?
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:51 pm
I hate to tell some of y’all, but the younger Republicans, the ones who’ll be taking the party over in the very near future, will soon be putting you and your ideology out to pasture and you’ll be joining the ranks of the Barnetts, Faubuses, etc. in the pantheon of embarrassments from the past…
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:51 pm
josef
Saw them two years ago when they came through Atlanta. They did the same thing I believe 10 years back, maybe more and revived it a few yrs ago.
Old buddies who have worked together on and off for many years know displaying their vast talents together as a band.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6z6QnwdBuM
Jm
July 16th, 2012
8:52 pm
Batman is evil in liberal land
Evil capitalist
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
8:52 pm
Oh the poor progy fogey’s that probably grow their hair in old grey haired pony tails at least with what little hair they have left and the Woodstock wannabe’s who aren’t that far behind them along with the lefty ladies who’ve been losing their youthful looks and trying to make up for it by leftist blogging (sorry DDR, I know that hits very close to home). So sorry for you keep up the poor fight, sooth et all. Pathetic is all that’s left for you isn’t it.
barking frog
July 16th, 2012
8:52 pm
WTF. Sinkwich
They left the cover unlocked
on your hidey hole again, I
see.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:52 pm
Jm
Look in the mirror
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:54 pm
Rags
Would I be voting for the pragmatic Mass governor or the guy who is bouncing a ball on his nose like a seal for the social conservatives? Mind you his choice to do so, but to win he did NOT have that choice.
Mr_B
July 16th, 2012
8:55 pm
Shalom : josef! Back to work already?
JamVet
July 16th, 2012
8:55 pm
John McCain is a respectful and respectable man. He was/is a class act. And that is why, as much as any other reason, he was/is labeled a RINO and damn near swift boated by his own political party..
Mitt makes no such mistake. He is absolutely dripping with classlessness. He even looks a bit like Nixon. And his demeanor is dead on. A mean little pr!ck.
The difference being that Nixon had VAST intellectual curiosity. On the trip to China, he devoured books about them and asked for more. Mitt seems to have sold what he ever had to appease the “sluggish” RNC…
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:55 pm
JM
Actually DDR is one of the most intelligent, best educated, best read posters aboard….and I’ll say that even when crossing swords with her…and she being a young’un it’s even more impressive..and a looker, too? Shoot! What more could a breeder male ask for?
gm
July 16th, 2012
8:55 pm
Rep of the old days would never have voted for a piece of scum like Willard, oh I forgot Obama is a different color so he has to be a socialist, because CEO’s are making record profits since he has been in office.
The right shows why this country had collaps under the previous administration, these people are not really Americans, their is no pride in outsource of jobs, what a bunch of losers on the right””””
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 16th, 2012
8:55 pm
oy vey…. now Recon is name calling….
Scout is gonna be so disappointed in his little buddy. F Troop salute of shame. :lolL
bman
July 16th, 2012
8:55 pm
I haven’t listened to Rush Limbaugh since college. I only listened to him 4 or 5 times before I started singing to myself with no radio. This was the 90’s and I’m still not sure what my father was trying to teach me by my driving a 2-tone chevette (luggage rack-4door and automatic) with only an AM radio.
Still, I wonder what Rush Limbaugh has said about Obama since he was first elected. My guess is that he’s been right-on for 3 years. Who listens to him?
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2012
8:55 pm
Heck, Redneck, now I feel terrible for being so ugly to you. So, I thought I’d post this one to cheer you up! Heck, it always cheers me up!
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
8:56 pm
Hiya Both!! Glad you got your ears on tonight!
Frog – I remind Dudley of that all the time. So far I’ve remained faithful to my vows, (hey I’m a realist — he’s away 8 outta 12 months a year), and his family and I are real close. I’ve asked for a “spousal raise” and I’m sure I’ll get it next time he comes home.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
8:56 pm
Josef 8:55 she has an odd way of displaying her supposed intelligence
Where was she educated?
barking frog
July 16th, 2012
8:57 pm
TBS
When Jm looks in a mirror
he sees an optical delusion
but he doesn’t recognize it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 16th, 2012
8:57 pm
Someone may have already posted this:
R.I.P. Kitty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYij4OpOY6E
Jm
July 16th, 2012
8:57 pm
Or maybe DDR can inform us of her education credentials since she’s here…..
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:57 pm
josef
I do agree. There will always be the far left and right wings, but there is a movement at least on the “social front” of a more inclusive approach within the Republican ranks.
Democrats need to wise up as well on how they approach numerous issues.
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
8:58 pm
They both suck including you,
Sure and most certainly.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
8:58 pm
Josef 8:55 btw i could care less what she looks like
josef
July 16th, 2012
8:59 pm
Mr B
Shalom! Yeah, back to the daily. But at least I had a little time to do nothing except what I wanted to pretty much when I wanted to…new principal this year…my first impressions are highly positive…brought me lunch today!
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
8:59 pm
frog
BINGO
Brosephus™
July 16th, 2012
8:59 pm
Josef 8:55 she has an odd way of displaying her supposed intelligence
Not really sure if you’re the one that should be questioning someone else’s intelligence.
Just sayin’…
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:01 pm
Recon
If being for the death penalty, gun ownership, phasing out most if not all of the EITC, keeping capital gains at or no more than 5% higher makes me a commie pinko……..
I am good with it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 16th, 2012
9:01 pm
Headline: “Navy’s new gender-neutral carriers won’t have urinals”
“Sweepers, sweepers man (I mean woman) your brooms. Clean sweep fore and aft !”
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/11/navys-new-gender-neutral-carriers-wont-have-urinals/
JamVet
July 16th, 2012
9:02 pm
My guess is that he’s been right-on for 3 years.
???????????????????????????????????
The man who called that decent woman a slut and prostitute??
And he wants the videos of her f&cking???
Who refers to women as FemiNazis???
With decades of despicable and malicious lies about countless people.
He is a mentally vacuous, depraved idiot.
And little more.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
9:02 pm
John McCain is a respectful and respectable man. He was/is a class act. And that is why, as much as any other reason, he was/is labeled a RINO and damn near swift boated by his own political party..
I’ll never forget the “McCain’s adopted a black baby” slander that Rove created in South Carolina in order to get Dubya the win. What was even more unforgivable to me was the fact that McCain went BACK to them in 2008 begging for their approval.
I woulda went Independent first before I would’ve taken a DIME from them — he probably would’ve been President instead of Obama if he would’ve went Indie.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:04 pm
Bro
Well if you want to go down that path
If one had to be intelligent to open one’s mouth, I’m sure you’d be a mute
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
9:04 pm
TBS says…”I am good with it.”
Sorry, thought you were an Obama supporter.
josef
July 16th, 2012
9:05 pm
JM
She doesn’t make a big deal of her pieces of paper, but, uh, they are impressive enough. It’s what she knows to go with them, though, that makes her outstanding…
And for the record, she and I have tangled before and she gave me one of the best runs for my money I’ve “enjoyed” here…
GOOD FIGHT
BOTH
nice link….
And as for as the move, you’re right. The social issues thing is going to be an interesting thing to watch…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 16th, 2012
9:05 pm
They BOTH suck:
Some new ones:
A: Guns have only two enemies – rust and liberal Democrats.
B: It’s always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
C: Cops carry guns to protect themselves, not you.
D: Never let someone or something that threatens you get inside arms length.
E: Never say “I’ve got a gun.” If you need to use deadly force, the first (and last) sound they hear should be “boom! boom! (double tap).
F: The average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes, the response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.
G: The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win – cheat if necessary.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:05 pm
Recon
continued. If at 42 yrs old, having earned a retirement from Fortune 500 company, owning my own business and 3 properties makes me a commie pinko to you
I’m good with it
I know that doesn’t fit your weak broad brushed stereotypes that you come on this blog with, but not much does……………….. if you were to be honest
Doggone/GA
July 16th, 2012
9:06 pm
“I’ll never forget the “McCain’s adopted a black baby” slander that Rove created in South Carolina”
It was worst than that. McCain DID adopt a dark skinned daughter. The ad said, or at least implied, that she was his NATURAL daughter.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:06 pm
“John McCain is a respectful and respectable man. He was/is a class act. And that is why, as much as any other reason, he was/is labeled a RINO and damn near swift boated by his own political party..”
Just nonsense
Liberals always profess former republican candidates and presidents as being more liberal than the current crazy con
It’s their standard ratchet tool at work
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:06 pm
Scout
We do not have too much disagreement on that list
Maybe a little, but not enough to even quarrel about
Brosephus™
July 16th, 2012
9:08 pm
jm
If that’s what you want to believe, so be it. Just be cognizant that simply believing in something doesn’t automatically make it factual. I tend to be somewhat quiet anyway when there’s nothing worth responding to.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
9:09 pm
Thanks josef and SoCoBro.
to paraphrase Blanche –
“I’ve always depended on the kidness of Gentlemen.”
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:09 pm
“The ad said, or at least implied, that she was his NATURAL daughter.”
Bingo. Post of the day.
Don’t forget the SBVs that were not connected to the Bush team (wink wink), but yet Rove knew someone directly tied to one of their financial backers as he did to the group who ran the ad in South Carolina
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:09 pm
1 hour ago McCain was the crazy who picked palin
Now he’s a class act
Liberals are nuts
bman.
July 16th, 2012
9:10 pm
Jam : “The man who called that decent woman a slut and prostitute?? And he wants the videos of her f&cking??? Who refers to women as FemiNazis??? With decades of despicable and malicious lies about countless people.”
I do remember the prostitute story. But, that isn’t what I said. What all has Rush Limbaugh said about Obama since he was first elected.
I don’t know what he’s said over the last 3 years about Obama. I was just wondering how off the mark he’s been during that time.
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2012
9:10 pm
Scout: would you mind if I save a copy of your 9:05? You never know when it might be useful!
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:11 pm
“I’ve always depended on the kidness of Gentlemen.”
Probably another welfare mom.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 16th, 2012
9:13 pm
Sooth:
Not mine (although I did make just a few adjustments) ………. should have been in quotes.
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
9:13 pm
TBS, I’m glad you’ve made it to age 42. I’m a little bit ahead of you by one quarter of a century. You can stick your broad brush where the sun never shines but I’d bet that you wouldn’t even feel it.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:13 pm
“I’ve always depended on the kidness of Gentlemen.”
Prostitution is illegal
Probably better fishing on Craigslist too
just FYI
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:14 pm
DDR, for a smart person, tees the golf ball up nicely
Thanks DDR
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:15 pm
Recon
As stated before I voted for Hillary in 08 but will be voting for Obama this November
Not to keen on a Repub House for sure and maybe Senate and Romney WH.
While I stated that their is a movement within the Repub Party to moderate on social issues, it isn’t there yet.
Brosephus™
July 16th, 2012
9:15 pm
Y’all have fun… I don’t wanna see jm end up with a feather boa shoved into a parallel universe.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 16th, 2012
9:17 pm
I’m a little bit ahead of you by one quarter of a century. You can stick your broad brush where the sun never shines but I’d bet that you wouldn’t even feel it
Churlish old man yells at clouds about lack of sun…
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
9:20 pm
If one had to be intelligent to open one’s mouth, I’m sure you’d be a mute
If only you’d follow your own idiom………..
DG: McCain DID adopt a dark skinned daughter. The ad said, or at least implied, that she was his NATURAL daughter
OMG — she was from Indonesia right? They’d take something so sweet and sefless that two people could do for a child, and turn it into some racist BS to garner votes! How very “republican” of them.
Josef
July 16th, 2012
9:20 pm
DDR
Well, he and I are Southern gentlemen of culture and breeding and don’t accept that chivalry is dead.
Old Goober
July 16th, 2012
9:21 pm
While campaigning on behalf of Republican Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney Monday at the American Legion Post 351 in Utica, Arizona Sen. John McCain slammed President Barack Obama for looming military cuts and a high unemployment rate for veterans.
Is this the “class act” everybody’s praising? The guy who voted for the “looming military cuts” and now wants to blame Obama for them?
Some of you really have a distorted notion of what a “class act” is. McCain is every bit the nasty, embittered old man that he was even before he secured the nomination. In fact, his pick of Palin, contrary to the notion that he was inspired, was a deliberate attempt to snub his opponents in the nomination race. He’s the kind of guy who will twist his boot heel in the face of a defeated opponent. Next, I suppose you’ll be calling Limbaugh a class act.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:21 pm
Rerun (Recon)
“You can stick your broad brush where the sun never shines but I’d bet that you wouldn’t even feel it.”
No need for me to stick it anywhere. It is apparent to all that you are so shallow that you are unwilling or unable to paint without a broad brush. I would not want a Baby Huey like yourself to be without her proper tools. So you keep on doing the only thing you know how to do. Paint with your BROAD BRUSHES.
Take care now
Josef
July 16th, 2012
9:22 pm
BOTH
Speaking of obsessions…
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
9:23 pm
Keep, you must be a pathetic little man of no significant accomplishments in your life. I pity you but cannot help you, so I must ignore you even though I hope that you can find comfort from somewhere.
Doggone/GA
July 16th, 2012
9:24 pm
“OMG — she was from Indonesia right?”
I believe she is, yes. And now that I think about it, I’m not sure if there were actual ads or not. What I remember is what is called “push polling” – where they would have telephone polls and one of the questions was something like “would you vote for a white candidate who has a black daughter” – or words to that effect.
bman.
July 16th, 2012
9:25 pm
“As stated before I voted for Hillary in 08 but will be voting for Obama this November”
I understand the Romney & rep house/senate majority concern. I really do prefer some balance of power. But, you witnessed what Obama and the democrats did when they were in the position that you are now using as one reason to not vote for Romney.
Did the process that the healthcare law went through truly not bother you? And after witnessing that power-grab, you would vote for him again?
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:25 pm
Mr Evangelical (RECON) tells me to stick a broad brush somewhere. Note: not all evangelical / conservative Christians are like Rerun. And that is a great thing
That latent physiological issue is eating him up.
I can’t help on that accord.
It will play out again……… No doubt
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:26 pm
Old goober 9:21
Thanks for proving my point
Liberals like to make the facts fit the circumstances rather than evaluating facts on their own merit
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:27 pm
bman
Since there will be no Dem House. That is the safest bet you can make in Vegas, I will be voting for Obama for the 1st time in November.
As I stated and you indicated in your post, I voted for Hillary in 08.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:27 pm
Bman 9:25
Don’t worry
Even if republicans win the senate, they won’t have a filibuster proof majority like the democrats did
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
9:28 pm
sniff sniff……..anyone smell that?
Smells like that little french poodle has crapped all over the blog. Again. I guess he’ll do anything for attention…….
barking frog
July 16th, 2012
9:29 pm
Enter your comments here
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
9:30 pm
Suck, seems to be obsessed by me and his own self importance. Sorry lad, you’re not that relevant or important to me but you can carry on.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:30 pm
Let’s see a liberal try to craft a reasonably factual, balanced, portrait of McCain
Any lib up to the task?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 16th, 2012
9:30 pm
Soothsayer
July 16th, 2012
9:30 pm
Well, you know what? I’m out of here too.
Just a reminder: The British Open begins Thursday. You can watch it on ESPN beginning at 7:00 am (12:00 noon local time) through 3:00 pm (8:00 pm local time) Thursday – Sunday.
You don’t want to miss it! This is a biggie! And all of the “biggies” will be there! Tiger, Phil, Rory, Graeme, Furyk, as well as a host of Eurpopean players, etc.
Coming, this year, from Royal Lytham & St. Anne’s — Yorkshire, you can recall where Bobby Jones won in 1926. Four years before he won the “Grand Slam” — all four majors in one year.
If you get the chance, try to watch some of the tournament. Especially late on Sunday. It will be unforgettable, I know.
JamVet
July 16th, 2012
9:31 pm
Debbie, Karl Rove was disgraceful and pathetic human being. In every way. And to that extent he was the very face of the cowardly and immoral previous administration.
And again, why McCain was, in that regard, the polar opposite of these gutless neocons…
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:32 pm
Ddr’s 9:28 – clearly the work of a genius /sarc/
Ok, well, moving on….
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:32 pm
have another spirit , Recon. That seems to be the time that your version of the Holy Spirit really goes to work
Make it a double. Drink up Johnny
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 16th, 2012
9:33 pm
josef, an indecent jewress proposal?
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:33 pm
“I think he is skeered cause Mitt is getting whupped.”
Or because he was the last Repub standing
Doggone/GA
July 16th, 2012
9:34 pm
“Karl Rove was disgraceful and pathetic human being”
Was?
barking frog
July 16th, 2012
9:34 pm
The most significant moments of the life of
John ‘Crash’ McCain were
the multimillion dollar
aircraft he destroyed.
The pos remained a pow
when offered freedom
which helped no one.
After the military he left
the woman who stood by
him through the war for
a beer princess who has
financed the rest of his
pointless career. He is
the epitome of Republican
hypocrisy. As a result of
cross party voting to stop
Hilary for him, He handed
the White House to Barak
Obama for eight years
which will probably his
only positive historical
contribution.
Peter
July 16th, 2012
9:34 pm
Looks like Romney and Bain and took the part of Michael Douglas in Wall Street and ran it perfectly. Buy up companies, load them with debt, and sell off the parts, screw the employees…..
Yup this is a guy all Republican’s who would sell their own children down the road should be proud of !
Old Goober
July 16th, 2012
9:35 pm
Even if republicans win the senate, they won’t have a filibuster proof majority like the democrats did
And what makes you think Republicans will play by the rules? In fact, McConnell has already said that he will use reconciliation, wherein a simple majority is sufficient, to repeal Obamacare. And if that tactic can be used in that case, it can be used in others. One of the huge mistakes the Senate Democrats have made is to put too much faith in Harry Reid, who does play by the rules, thereby permitting a Senate minority to veto just about everything.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:36 pm
Kam or Sooth
Not sure, but I think it was one of them that said the right leaning desperation would be increasing as the days draw closer to the election……….
Heck, we are still months out
Peter
July 16th, 2012
9:37 pm
Let’s see a liberal try to craft a reasonably factual, balanced, portrait of McCain
McCain…… the guy who wanted to cut benefits to returning war veterans…… you speaking about ?
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
9:37 pm
Jm,
Sad when a woman or a male gets sexual fulfillment on a political blog that some seem to do without mentioning any names.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:37 pm
Old Goober
Reid is not a good Senate leader for sure
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:37 pm
Doggone 9:34 – agreed. He’s the modern Lee At-water. His liberal counterpart is DAvid Axelrod, though Axelrod may not be quite as bad.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
9:37 pm
O.G.: Some of you really have a distorted notion of what a “class act” is. McCain is every bit the nasty, embittered old man that he was even before he secured the nomination
Yes – McCain is a politician but he’s also a basically good man. Unfortunately his allegiance to the republican party has warped all his common sense on some issues.
Remember, during his concession speech after the loss, he told the crowd that now was the time to come together to heal the country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss6lTP8BJ8
In the background you can hear the sore looser repugs booing when he, McCain, says that he called Obama to congratulate him.
bman.
July 16th, 2012
9:38 pm
TBS .. .. I like Hillary Clinton. As much as she was for universal healthcare, I do not believe she would have gone the same route as Obama. I cannot even equate it to something the republicans might have done/do is they had the majority….
The way the healthcare was pushed in is much, much more than reason enough to not vote for Obama. I’m having a tough time fearing republican rule after that.
Peter
July 16th, 2012
9:38 pm
Gotta love the Republican’s……. thereby permitting a Senate minority to veto just about everything.
Filibuster everything so American’s can suffer more..all for an ego !
Peter
July 16th, 2012
9:40 pm
Yes – McCain is a politician but he’s also a basically good man. Unfortunately his allegiance to the republican party has warped all his common sense on some issues.
Some issues ???????
Didn’t he state he would stop working with the Democrat’s once Obama care went through ?
Gosh he is soooooooo wanting to help American’s !
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:40 pm
Frog 9:34 dude u seem to have some vitriol for McCain
What happened to the happy go lucky frog?
What irks u so much about McCain?
Peter 9:37 fail
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 16th, 2012
9:41 pm
Sad when a woman or a male gets sexual fulfillment on a political blog that some seem to do without mentioning any names
Recon, I suggest you order a lot of the gum to solve your issues, sport
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:41 pm
bman
Understood and thanks for the reply. Obamacare as it stands will go further in terms of implementation than many on the right believe, imo.
With that said, it will not be the law you see today. It will be sliced and diced before it is all said and done. When I say that, it may or may not be the worst thing for that law, which surely needs work.
Don't Tread
July 16th, 2012
9:42 pm
”He must have calculated that there are higher costs in releasing them”
Kinda like King 0bama invoking executive privilege to keep Fast and Furious covered up, eh? Or sealing his college records, for that matter. Or a half-dozen other things we know about, and probably dozens we don’t know about. Makes one wonder.
There must be higher costs to be paid if the truth gets out, you think?
But just being wealthy is a felony according to liberals (”439 times median household income”, and so forth). Why don’t you compare notes on your criminal activities with your favorite convicted felon (George Soros)?
Peter
July 16th, 2012
9:42 pm
Jm . Go find his voting record, and prove yourself wrong. McCain cut benefits for veterans, and services.
Josef
July 16th, 2012
9:43 pm
Good Fight…
Interesting! I’m on iPad now and the vid won’t come up…
BOTH
The Cartman Comeback….
barking frog
July 16th, 2012
9:43 pm
Jm
Are you getting sexual
fulfillment all over the
blog ??
JamVet
July 16th, 2012
9:43 pm
The days of that detestable, embarrassing (hat tip Natalie Mines) administration are behind us.
And now the goal is simple.
To never allow any Romney semblance of it to arise again.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:44 pm
josef
You have to see Keep’s link.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:45 pm
Old goober 9:35
Repealing obamacare via reconciliation is by the rules
It’s a spending bill
But democrats don’t need to worry about the whole legal morass that we live with being repealed
Though it might be nice to start with a blank slate
bman.
July 16th, 2012
9:46 pm
” it will not be the law you see today. It will be sliced and diced before it is all said and done.”
I’m hoping you’re right, and I’m hoping they (lawmakers) try as hard as possible to get it right. I visited the DMV last week & waited hours. The big change that has caused the mess? Bring your social security card. The healthcare law has the makings of a serious clusterf*ck.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 16th, 2012
9:46 pm
“Law of the Sea Treaty now dead”
Hopefully, the U.N. gun control monster will be next.
barking frog
July 16th, 2012
9:46 pm
Jm
Truth is not vitriol. Read
again.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:46 pm
Peter 9:42 a single vote does not a career make
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur5ZFKv-_Po
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
9:47 pm
Jam : Debbie, Karl Rove was disgraceful and pathetic human being. In every way. And to that extent he was the very face of the cowardly and immoral previous administration.
He’s working in MItt’s camp now — it’s the same song with a different singer. Mitt has Rove, Cheney, and even Rumsfeld as his “advisors”. It’s sickening how low these people will go.
And again, why McCain was, in that regard, the polar opposite of these gutless neocons…
Word.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 16th, 2012
9:48 pm
Recon 0311 2533 :
Did you see this the other day??
“As one female Marine told msnbc.com, “No one questions why there aren’t any females in the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc. Olympic athletes are the elite of the elite. No one questions why the women compete against women and men against men. Those are great sports and achievements. But lives and missions aren’t on the line. In our world, if you move slower one day, you don’t get bumped off the medal stand, you could die or get someone else killed.”
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/12/12684555-women-in-the-infantry-forget-about-it-says-female-marine-officer?lite
JamVet
July 16th, 2012
9:49 pm
As a life long anti-Republican, I could slice and dice McCain’s record and policies from now until next Sunday.
Nonetheless, in my estimation, he is essentially an honorable man.
And in my worthless opinion, Mitt Romney is not, and he is unfit to lead…
stands for decibels
July 16th, 2012
9:49 pm
Nice to see Gooper Senators doing what they do best–standing in the way of a functional democracy.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-rt-us-usa-campaign-money-disclosurebre86g026-20120716,0,6708371.story
The proposal defeated on Monday was a scaled-back version of a measure that was blocked by Republicans in 2010.
The centerpiece of the legislation would force tax-exempt “501(c)” groups, which include labor unions and chambers of commerce, to publicly report any donor giving $10,000 or more to the Federal Election Commission.
I honestly wonder sometimes how these ass wipes can look themselves in the mirror.
Peter
July 16th, 2012
9:51 pm
here is the Real McCain. the gu7y who doesn’t want to help American’s……
McCain: Don’t expect GOP cooperation on legislation for the rest of this year
By Michael O’Brien – 03/22/10
Democrats shouldn’t expect much cooperation from Republicans the rest of this year, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) warned Monday.
McCain and another Republican senator decried the effect health reform legislation has had on the Senate, a day after the House passed the upper chamber’s bill.
GOP senators emerged Monday to caution that the health debate had taken a toll on the institution, warning of little work between parties the rest of this year.
“There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year,” McCain said during an interview Monday on an Arizona radio affiliate. “They have poisoned the well in what they’ve done and how they’ve done it.”
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
9:51 pm
Frog — that’s the only place he CAN get it. No human would touch him with a Rove’s ####. That is if Rove has one……
Old Goober
July 16th, 2012
9:52 pm
Repealing obamacare via reconciliation is by the rules
And so would be a drastic cutting of Social Security benefits. And so would be a conversion of Medicare to a voucher system. There aren’t many things that aren’t “spending bills.”
But the Democrats respected the filibuster in passing Obamacare, working to achieve a 60-vote majority. That’s more than a Republican majority would ever do.
And I’ll remind you of what Bill Frist did as Senate majority leader. He threatened to discard all the rules if the Republicans didn’t get their way with Bush’s SC nominees—the so-called nuclear option. And Frist resembles a strait-laced Puritan in comparison to the smarmy Mitch McConnell.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:52 pm
Jamvet 9:49
I agree McCain is honorable and a decent person
I think he has several flaws, but so do we all
In the end, I hate to say it, but Obama was still the better choice
McCain is honest, against wasteful spending
But there isn’t a military fight he wants to avoid
And he doesn’t always put the most thought and due diligence into his decisions (see palin)
St Simons
July 16th, 2012
9:53 pm
another difference in the greater father and lesser son,
(wait, haven’t we made this horrible mistake before)
is that George put jobs in Amerka.
they’ll get a bump from the kardashian reality teevee
demographic due to their august infomercial,
but this is soooo over by mid sept.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 16th, 2012
9:54 pm
josef:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2d_iGnx5zE&feature=related
independent thinker.
July 16th, 2012
9:55 pm
Romney gave McCain twenty years of taxes;he took a look at them and immediately selected Pailin.
The Repubs are in the same situation as 1972 when they put a crook back in the White House only to have him resign or face impeachment a year later. Everyone knows Romney is hiding something and it could be grounds for impeachment as soon as he is sworn in to office. Its not too late for an open comvention. Gimgrich even looks better than this con artist.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:55 pm
“But the Democrats respected the filibuster in passing Obamacare, working to achieve a 60-vote majority. That’s more than a Republican majority would ever do.”
You’re confused.
The non spending portions of obamacare will be impossible to repeal through reconciliation
Peter
July 16th, 2012
9:55 pm
Jm. He played up his war hero time well used it great to get where he is today, and then what…..Voted against soldiers who were poorer then himself……
Having got that way by divorcing his wife and marring the younger rich girl…. Yup a true Republican hero !
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
9:55 pm
Jamvet
As I stated earlier today, even though I believe Romney has not done anything illegal with his money, I’m not one who would take advantage of the good and then move money offshore in accounts as he as done.
With that said, I do think he is a good family man and surely an industrious hard working individual.
I do not adhere to the majority of his policies and will not be voting for him, but I there is some credit to be given and I have no problem acknowledging it.
Josef
July 16th, 2012
9:55 pm
BOTH
I’ll catch it in the a.m. for a mood for off to work…
OK gotta call it a night early…
Jm
July 16th, 2012
9:57 pm
“but this is soooo over by mid sept.”
Yeah, probably because Obama is going to run out of money or end up wildly in debt
The same place he is driving this country
Steve Atl
July 16th, 2012
9:58 pm
Jay – aka (biased and narrow minded journalist)
How about telling us about American History through one sleazy and incompetent Obama. Now that would be a great read.
Recon 0311 2533
July 16th, 2012
9:58 pm
0311/8541,
Yes I did and she’s correct. The physical toll of combat is beyond the comprehension of those who don’t have the experience. Woman, God bless them aren’t equipped for the physical trials of combat and in fact many men aren’t. It goes beyond the imagination.
Peter
July 16th, 2012
10:01 pm
Steve Atl . Please tell us the story in your head……
Taxes and other myths
July 16th, 2012
10:01 pm
Get rid of all the preferences in the tax codes and Mitt Romney’s effective tax rate would go up. Also have to remember that if Mr. Romney is tithing 10% of his income to charity (LDS), that is a lower taxable income amount to actually tax (he would be itemizing). No note is made in article of whether the “income” you quote is AGI (what many quote as income, but that is not what you pay tax on). But you get a tax code riddled with these things when your nearest Rep and Senator are for sale and bake such things into the code after lobbying. Don’t blame Romney, blame the system.
Teresa Heinz Kerry made several multiples of Mitt’s income and paid less in tax, her money is mainly in Municipal bonds. And no one every hears peep 1 about Ted Kennedy ever paying taxes (also tied up in muni bonds)…interest free.
St Simons
July 16th, 2012
10:02 pm
this has been ringing in my ears all day
“I’ll be glad to get home. You don’t have health care.
You have barber surgeons”
–a new Costa Rican client opening a store on de island
what really pisses me off is, she’s right
smile big, cons – a banana republic just taunted you
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
10:04 pm
Taxes
What year did Teresa Heinz Kerry run for President?
Did Kennedy run after his failed 80 bid?
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
10:05 pm
muni bonds. I wonder if they were issued by the Cayman Islands, like Mitt’s.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
10:06 pm
There are 3rd world countries where women as well as children are forced to serve as soldiers. They hold up just fine. Women are stronger than a lot of men think they are.
Peter: Didn’t he state he would stop working with the Democrat’s once Obama care went through ? Gosh he is soooooooo wanting to help American’s !
OK Peter — you win. McCain has no redeeming qualities.
F. Sinkwich
July 16th, 2012
10:07 pm
“In the end, I hate to say it, but Obama was still the better choice”
That’s nice Jm, now we know you prefer socialist/Marxists over patriots.
Truly, truly pathetic.
You happy now?
I would weep at my ignorance if I had the severe misfortune of being you.
Afterwhich I would go to city center, drop to my knees, then beg for forgiveness from all who passed.
Peter
July 16th, 2012
10:07 pm
Teresa Heinz Kerry made several multiples of Mitt’s income and paid less in tax, her money is mainly in Municipal bonds.
When is investing in America BAD ? that must be a Republican idea.. don’t invest your money in Municipalities……. is that the new ” Republican Mantra ”
Kind of like the unfunded. ” No child left behind ” ?
TaxPayer
July 16th, 2012
10:09 pm
All of you passing through city center be sure to toss a coin of the realm into the beggar’s cup.
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
10:09 pm
Teresa Heinz Kerry ………
Is not running for President. Duh.
Peter
July 16th, 2012
10:09 pm
“In the end, I hate to say it, but Obama was still the better choice”
That’s nice Jm, now we know you prefer socialist/Marxists over patriots.
Really now Palin was White House material ?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!!!!! Sure !
Jm was correct.. McCain made a real bad choice, and told us who he was.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
10:11 pm
“OK Peter — you win. McCain has no redeeming qualities.”
Weathervane DDR
DebbieDoRight - The Only Thing Wrong With Capitalism; is Capitalists
July 16th, 2012
10:13 pm
everyone have a nice night.
And someone feed that dog that keeps yapping for attention — throw him a bone why don’t ya?
I’m out.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
10:14 pm
Sinkwich
McCain is a patriot and a great person in many ways
But he is not perfect
Obviously Obama isn’t either
But we really do need to take a less aggressive military posture
And McCain is a fearless lion
But the president needs to be more judgmental about wars
And hiring decisions, like the veep
Peter
July 16th, 2012
10:14 pm
“OK Peter — you win. McCain has no redeeming qualities.”
I am sure he does have some good qualities……doesn’t every one alive ?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 16th, 2012
10:15 pm
Well, all this talk about McCain brings back bad memories. First there was the “lipstick on a pig” speech and everybody got real excited and next the polls showed McCain in the lead against Obama and a few weeks later there was a coffin arriving at McCain’s house where him and Sarah and a few others were having a barbecue and saying they lost. And after that they spent a few weeks trying to figure out which clothes to give back to the department store.
And the next day was the real bad news. No. 1 Foxy Lady got on here and told all us conservatives to . . . well, you know.
Peter
July 16th, 2012
10:19 pm
Jm the one issue I have with McCain is his anger……he flies off the handle and uses his anger to intimidate.
If you don’t like what he says then you are the enemy, and screw the American public. His way first, the country second.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
10:21 pm
Peter
I don’t think his anger and cursing are intended to intimidate
I think that’s just who he is
Thulsa Doom
July 16th, 2012
10:21 pm
Did Jay say openness? Mitt should show previous years tax returns- just as soon as Obama shows them college grade transcripts that we’ve been asking about for 4 years. Talk about openness. Geez.
Jm
July 16th, 2012
10:22 pm
“His way first, the country second.”
This I disagree with entirely tho
TeBowed
July 16th, 2012
10:22 pm
If you don’t like what he says then you are the enemy, and screw the American public. His way first, the country second.
That’s republicans in general.
Midori
July 16th, 2012
10:25 pm
this is why John McCain didn’t pick Mittens as a running mate: The Bain of His Existence
http://www.scribd.com/doc/78582788/McCain-2008-Oppo-File
Thulsa Doom
July 16th, 2012
10:25 pm
“His way first, the country second.”
Upon what specific evidence does Peter base this rather broad criticism?
Thulsa Doom
July 16th, 2012
10:27 pm
“If you don’t like what he says then you are the enemy, and screw the American public.”
Sounds like the folks who pushed through Obamacare.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 16th, 2012
10:28 pm
Recon 0311/8541:
“Yes I did and she’s correct. The physical toll of combat is beyond the comprehension of those who don’t have the experience. Woman, God bless them aren’t equipped for the physical trials of combat and in fact many men aren’t. It goes beyond the imagination.”
But the politcally correct will march on and good soldiers will die because of it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 16th, 2012
10:28 pm
Midori:
Where have you been ?
Midori
July 16th, 2012
10:30 pm
Scout,
been depressed.
yesterday was what would have my my kid’s 40th birthday.
Just getting some reading in before I go to bed.
Thulsa Doom
July 16th, 2012
10:31 pm
“But the politcally correct will march on and good soldiers will die because of it.”
Libs putting social engineering dogma and utopian worldview ahead of common sense regarding the military again? No surprise there.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
10:32 pm
Midori
Continued positive thoughts going out to you and yours
Hang in there
Midori
July 16th, 2012
10:34 pm
ty Both — make sure you check out my link.
nite all.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 16th, 2012
10:35 pm
Midori:
I am so sorry ………. I had forgotten.
May God bless you in a very special way during this difficult time.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
10:36 pm
Thulsa
What’s up my man? Hope you had a good weekend.
Forget to mention, Maiden was on FIRE. Those dudes can still do it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPbqQOf41Qc
Jm (LL)
July 16th, 2012
10:42 pm
“Upon what specific evidence does Peter base this rather broad criticism?”
“Evidence? We don’t need no stinkin evidence.” – Liberals
Thulsa Doom
July 16th, 2012
10:42 pm
they both suck,
I’m still on vacay. Just chiming in to get my shots in on the liberals. Tee hee. I was getting behind in my monthly quota of razzing you guys.
Dang. That still just irks the hell outta me missing the Maiden. I watched a replay of their concert in Rio and it was rocking and was probably only about a year ago. If and when they come again Doomy aint missin it.
On a different note may everyone say a prayer for Midori tonight. I’ve certainly had my differences with her in the past but I hate to see her or anybody in pain- especially over the loss of her child. Hang in there Midori. This con will say a prayer for you.
They BOTH suck
July 16th, 2012
10:45 pm
TD
Enjoy your vacation. Catch up when you get back.
peace
Thulsa Doom
July 16th, 2012
10:51 pm
they both suck,
I’m coming back Wednesday but tomorrow gonna be around the laptop a bit in the morning so I can chime in.
Midori left the building but does anyone know of any good buys they can recommend to her to help her through the grieving process? I have a copy of the book “When bad things happen to good people” that from what people have told me is helpful for overcoming the untimely loss of a loved one and for dealing with grief. I haven’t read it but I’ve heard its good. If anyone can think of any ideas then please suggest it to her the next time she is on or suggest it to someone on here to relate to her.
Thulsa Doom
July 16th, 2012
10:52 pm
Any good books not any good buys
Oscar
July 16th, 2012
10:58 pm
It’s always a bad idea to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. That is what is happening now and we are watching it happen right before us. Right before our eyes.
Jm (LL)
July 16th, 2012
11:02 pm
“It’s always a bad idea to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.”
Obama, goose hunter
G Mare
July 16th, 2012
11:13 pm
TD, that is a very, helpful book. I used to keep a few copies on hand to give to those in need. Maybe we can ask Jay how to get a copy to her?
That would be nice for us to do, but that kind of hurt & loss must truly be beyond much of anything we can do. Hard as it is to lose parents, even spouses, it is no comparison to losing a child. I came so close to losing one of my daughters many years ago & have no doubt that I would probably never have recovered. So maybe the best thing we can do is hold Midori close in our hearts & hope she can feel us hugging her.
gm
July 16th, 2012
11:19 pm
Mitt, I had no connection with Bain, but I took 100K, I helped sent jobs overseas, but yet the right talk about character Obama wins in class and character hands down.
Thank you Michele Bachmann, Limbaugh you are pushing everyone that is not a old white male towards the President.
Pizzaman
July 16th, 2012
11:56 pm
Why is the right so determined to repeal the ACA. Take out the tort reform it’s exactly the same as the bill Newt sponsored in 1996. Yes you far right, even the mandate.
Yes the winter uniforms for Salt Lake City were made in Burma.
Yes Mitt is a draft dodger. Just like W and Cheney. Seems the Repubs love wars as long as they don’t have to fight.
Vote early, vote often!
Oscar
July 16th, 2012
11:57 pm
Jm (LL)
July 16th, 2012
11:02 pm
_____
No, the President is not the goose killer.
Oscar
July 16th, 2012
11:59 pm
Pizzaman
July 16th, 2012
11:56 pm
_______
The part of the bill that requires businesses to furnish health insurance to their employees should be repealed.
The part about pre-existing conditions should not be repealed. And won’t be.
The part about the penalty-tax should not be repealed.
Jm
July 17th, 2012
12:03 am
Oscar
Obama, goose killer
Had no idea until Obama came along that liberals were such prolific killers
Jm
July 17th, 2012
12:07 am
Oscar 11:59 agree
Would add, minimum coverages need to go down, maximum annual benefit needs to go down by 50%, no lifetime maximum needs to go away and be replaced with $5mm lifetime maximum
Billybob
July 17th, 2012
12:09 am
the socialist meme is what describes our president along with central gov’t planning policies and a marxist class warfare rhetoric….just thought i would bring you back to the reality that you openly support jay bookman……after obama’s own words on friday there is no doubt that the leftist democrat president hates america and what it stands for and the longer you support this classless man and his classless words the further you move from relevancy bookman…..don’t let this radical take you down with him….by the way, it’s the leftist liberal media that again tries to dominate the political landscape with financial slander against mitt romney……you and your buddies can have at it, but the american people see right through another false media template directive straight from the white house that your ilk parrots with complete dishonesty and integrity…..how about vetting the fact that hussein’s political career started with a fundraiser in an unrepentant domestic terrorists house, in case you forgot that is bill ayers……i’ll wait for the crickets involved in your response……hack is as hack does……peace out lib
Billybob
July 17th, 2012
12:13 am
it’s amazing to see the blind idolatry that dems are caught up in with the radical in the white house…..the morning they awake from their dream will be a devastating day……see nov 7th
Billybob
July 17th, 2012
12:17 am
obama’s tax plan costs jobs and pays for the gov’t for about 7-8 days…..it’s called politics which is exactly the problem he says washington still has…..fact is that he’s the biggest problem their, but we have an completely dishonest media that ignores his utter incompetence on a daily basis, but the american people realize this more and more every day jay……
Oscar
July 17th, 2012
12:29 am
Jm
July 17th, 2012
12:07 am
________
I thought the specs for the coverages had not been set yet. I better check that out. One of the problems I see is that they can, or have been, set too high.
GM is broke, and OBAMA did it
July 17th, 2012
12:43 am
Hey bookie, when you gonna write about the real value of GM and how the barry and the unions ripped off the taxpayers?
Stop being a shill for the clown in the white house
ken
July 17th, 2012
12:48 am
Mr. President, I built my business not you or anybody else in the Govt. Govt rules and tax laws have have not helped.
Pizzaman
July 17th, 2012
12:56 am
Oscar, Billy Bob, Gm and Ken,
Stop listining to rush, sean, neal etc. Like Tiberius told me. Go to Google and learn.
Government regs help business and protect consumers, GM is doing well and some, not all yet, of our money has been returned and the ACA hasn’t cost one job yet.
Read and learn!
Vote early, vote often!
Pizzaman
July 17th, 2012
12:59 am
Ken. Your accusing the wrong person. Government rules and tax laws are written by Congerss, passed by the Senate and signed and enforced by the President. Blame Congress. Civics 101!
Oscar
July 17th, 2012
1:18 am
Pizzaman
_____
The sooner we seperate health insurance from employement the better off we will be. That link is one of the biggest problems we have in trying to formulate a health care system that will get a positive rating with the American people.
ld
July 17th, 2012
1:54 am
Revealing the content of tax returns, including all attachments, is important because it informs voters:
it will give voters a better idea of any potential conflicts of interest, specifically with regard to any foreign and/or international entities.
it will enable voters to make an assessment of a candidate’s beliefs w/regard to charity.
it can enlighten voters w/regard to whether or not the candidate has been living w/i or beyond his means.
…just for starters.
MiltonMan
July 17th, 2012
6:32 am
Mitt will release his tax returns to all 57 states as soon as Obozo releases his college transcripts.
kmac
July 17th, 2012
6:45 am
Jay is just doing his part as a liberal lackey to help the effort to distract us from the utter failure of the most dangerous President our country has ever had.
TaxPayer
July 17th, 2012
6:51 am
President Obama has already released his tax returns and his birth certificate and just as much, if not more, information regarding his education as Romney.
Romney needs to man up and release his long form tax returns so the cons can inspect box 26.
How much did Romney make off of shipping those Olympics uniforms to Burma to be made.
Skip
July 17th, 2012
7:09 am
Grades=tax returns, only in cartoon land.
curious
July 17th, 2012
7:10 am
How much did Bain make off of those companies it shut down? Saw an ad claiming >$90 million, but don’t know its accuracy.
The real test of a person is how they act when their fellow man is threatened.
Kinda like taking a seat in the lifeboat, leaving women and children behind, as the Titanic sinks.
Just whistle and float away; the heck with the others.
curious
July 17th, 2012
7:13 am
MiltonMan
July 17th, 2012
6:32 am
Mitt will release his tax returns to all 57 states as soon as Obozo releases his college transcripts
Why are you so interested in Obama’s transcripts? Is it education envy?
stands for decibels
July 17th, 2012
7:15 am
Here’s the deal on the whole battle over when Mitt Romney retired from Bain and over his refusal to release any tax returns other than 2010 and, eventually, 2011: Of course he’s hiding sh-t. The question is whether that sh-t is illegal or just, in a general sense, immoral, even sinful, if you believe in that sort of thing, with unchecked avariciousness at the core of nearly every decision Romney made at Bain.
What we’re seeing in the ludicrous scramble to justify Romney’s retirement date and his lack of disclosure of his tax returns is that Romney doesn’t want to let the rest of the nation know exactly how sweet the deals are for the wealthy. He doesn’t want the curtain opened.
Jack
July 17th, 2012
7:16 am
I suppose it’s okay if you make a lot of money and then spread it around the neighborhood; otherwise you are a stingy old rich man. And if Bookman wants to pay more than the 15% top tax rate on his capital gains and qualified dividends, he can do so.
AU Liberal in ATL
July 17th, 2012
7:20 am
So some of you want to defend Mitt? Really? Unbelievable!
TaxPayer
July 17th, 2012
7:22 am
As pathetic a running mate as Sarah Palin was, John McCain still picked her over Mitt Romney.
By the way, Sarah called. She said the GOP forgot to mail out her invitation to speak at the convention. She says she has lots of new material from Orly and the Donald to present.
stands for decibels
July 17th, 2012
7:24 am
Why are you so interested in Obama’s transcripts? Is it education envy?
not that I’m a mind reader so maybe MM has another answer, but based on what I’ve seen of most who cry “release the college transcripts”, I believe it’s got a lot to do with thinking among too many conservatives that black people have it easy because of quotas and set-asides, and boy howdy, wouldn’t it be cool to find out that Obama only got into that fancy Ivy League school on account of quotas and set-asides?
TaxPayer
July 17th, 2012
7:24 am
So some of you want to defend Mitt? Really? Unbelievable!
They have no choice. Mitt was selected from their star lineup of the best they had to offer after a thorough vetting in front of the party constituency.
stands for decibels
July 17th, 2012
7:26 am
Mind you, they’d still have a lot of ’splaining to do as to why Obama was somehow able to successfully manage the Review, and then a nonprofit operation, and then get elected state Senator, and US Senator, but they’ve pretty much all agreed that it’s the monolithic Librul Media what did all that for him.
All he had to do was read off a teleprompter.
Right, guys?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
July 17th, 2012
7:26 am
Mitt Romney
massachusetts refugee
July 17th, 2012
7:33 am
this whole brouhaha (brouhaha?) isn’t making a whiff of a difference. those who were gonna vote for mittens will still do so; those who were gonna vote for el presidente will still do so; those who haven’t made up their minds aren’t even paying attention. so can we move on please?
stands for decibels
July 17th, 2012
7:33 am
She said the GOP forgot to mail out her invitation to speak at the convention.
yeah, I read about that…
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/07/15/sarah-palin-still-waiting-for-romney-invite-to-tampa.html
The Mitt Romney campaign hasn’t invited Sarah Palin to speak at — or even attend — next month’s Republican National Convention, in Tampa, Newsweek’s Peter Boyer reported.
[...]
Palin surely knows that the official schedule isn’t set, but that didn’t prevent her from pouncing at Boyer’s inquiry, saying she suspects she’s “not the only one accepting consequences for calling out both sides of the aisle” and that “in accepting those consequences… you don’t invite yourself to the Big Dance.”
Palin has never shied away away from an invitation to knock the Republican establishment, and she has a knack for turning those knocks into rallying cries. Boyer gifted her with just such an opportunity, which turned into a dare to the Romney camapign: Want to fire up the right wing? Watch this.
I dunno, it all sounds like pro wrestling; I think Palin and Romney and all these rich, powerful wads-o’-f### know exactly what they’re doing to try to keep us poor, dumbass voters thinking the stories are more interesting than they really are. But I’m cynical that way.
TiredOfIt
July 17th, 2012
7:35 am
Romney Says GOP’s Not ‘Party of the Rich,’ But ‘of Those Who Want to Be Rich’
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So that’s how they are selling it now.
Verbal Kint
July 17th, 2012
7:40 am
Well, TiredOfIt, it’s better than Obama/Democrats party line of “Where’s my check?”
stands for decibels
July 17th, 2012
7:41 am
those who haven’t made up their minds aren’t even paying attention
well yeah, actually, this is the time of year when they DO start to pay attention. The primaries are over, the news conglomerates have basically one or two types of political stories that they run “above the fold” (so to speak) and the swing voters get a whiff of this or that bit of negative press that they carry with them until the next time they absorb a story, a week or three down the road.
Of course it’s not enough to allow Obama to coast to victory, but it keeps him ahead for now, in this matchup, and Romney knows that by the end of the summer he’s going to need to have some good news cycles to turn it around.
(and yes, I realize that having a rich crime-boss benefactor taking out a hundred million or so worth of ads will help Romney somewhat, but swing-vote people… well, they’re dumb, generally, but they aren’t quite THAT dumb that they they’ll vote solely on what the attack ads tell ‘em.)
Not ‘Party of the Rich,’ But ‘of Those Who Want to Be Rich’
So much more politically correct than simply calling them “Greedy, selfish a##holes,” which is how most people would describe these, um, “aspiring rich.”
stands for decibels
July 17th, 2012
7:42 am
Verbal, I think you’ve misplaced a vowel in your last name.
TaxPayer
July 17th, 2012
7:42 am
Romney’s condensed statement – “GOP is the party of the greedy rich.”
Where else do you find billionaires whining about paying 14% in federal income taxes and constantly looking for ways to reduce it even farther through off-shore accounts, etc. The greedy can never be rich enough.
Ronnie Raygun
July 17th, 2012
7:44 am
When did Mittens release his college transcripts? Oh, he didn’t?
While we’re at it, how about Mittens releasing his draft deferment papers so we can see his rational behind dodging the draft to live in a French chateau for a couple years until it was safe to come home..
Jm
July 17th, 2012
7:44 am
No lifetime maximum in obamacare seems insane to me
It is a recipe for medical spending fiscal disaster
Speed Racer
July 17th, 2012
7:45 am
Funny how we are pointed down the wrong path sometimes. Shouldn’t the real argument be, “How was it moral for the govt to take 37 cents of every dollar the elder Romney made?” And, regardless of the %, the younger Romney contributed $3 million dollars to the govt. That is more than enough for one person to pay. Oh yeah, and then there’s the fact that the top 20% paid 67.9% of income taxes. Jay, you are focusing on the wrong issues.
Verbal Kint
July 17th, 2012
7:49 am
No stands, check google.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
July 17th, 2012
7:50 am
You are born, grow up, educated and look at life in America. Key word America. A place where ANYONE can make it big ( Look at this guy running our country…..did I say running, I meant ruining). If you are moaning and bitching about the rich, it’s because you aren’t. I’ll take the Romney path. Obama’s way of thinking is if there is not enough ice cream to go around, then nobody gets ice cream.
Or, the ice cream YOU WORKED for, went to the store and bought, needs to be shared with all who don’t have ice cream. Obama is not worried about immigration…..because he’s making this country a place where some will now look around before coming here. He is a total loser. Why F’up the best country in the world because a few losers are not sharing in the dream. Geez.
Verbal Kint
July 17th, 2012
7:50 am
Taxpayer – can you please explain what law Romney has broken when it comes to sheltering his money from taxes? I’m waiting.
stands for decibels
July 17th, 2012
7:50 am
Oh yeah, and then there’s the fact that the top 20% paid 67.9% of income taxes.
And what percentage of the wealth do this top 20% hold?
Sheesh. Are you feebs still trying to sell this as the mostest progressive tax system in the history of the planet?
Pay no attention to the man rigging the rules to benefit the upper echelons behind the curtain.
Project Dreamz
July 17th, 2012
7:53 am
Are YOU registered to vote?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP6Mcvgdrtg&feature=related
Verbal Kint
July 17th, 2012
7:53 am
Stands – take a look at this analysis on our tax system from someone that’s way smarter than you
http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2012/07/progressivity-of-taxes-and-transfers.html
stands for decibels
July 17th, 2012
7:56 am
check google.
VK, I did awhile ago, I get that it’s a movie character.
Hey, some jokes work, some don’t. This is where we work on new material when we’re waiting for SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
July 17th, 2012
7:56 am
Bad week for Romney by ” hacking him”……….and no Obama bump. Very telling. It ain’t selling. Even the holy lib grail NY Times say’s move along, nothing to see here. Romney is doing the rope a dope on this guy. Let him take all his shots, spend all his money…………then BAM. This ain’t John McCain. Hang on.
TaxPayer
July 17th, 2012
7:58 am
It’s common sense for most, cons obviously excluded, that those that take the most should pay the most. Yet, it never fails, a con will pop up and proclaim that those that make the least are the problem and their solution is to tax the poor. Pauper’s prisons seem to appeal to the new GOP. They surely yearn for a return to their good old days when they profited from peonage.
Verbal Kint
July 17th, 2012
7:59 am
“VK, I did awhile ago, I get that it’s a movie character”
Then why are you talking about the wrong vowel. Is that your idea of new material?
TaxPayer
July 17th, 2012
8:00 am
Verbal,
Show me Romney’s tax returns and I’ll let you know what laws he broke, stretched, skirted, etc. I’m waiting.
stands for decibels
July 17th, 2012
8:00 am
no no no. that’s not how you sell stuff in blogland, VK. You say “a guy who is way smarter than ME.”
and I’m familiar with his argument already. it’s but one metric, (one which I’d already read about), and while I have no problem with people genuinely asking “hey, isn’t this a kind of progressivity?” I don’t buy it.
It asks us to view these transfer payments in a vaccuum, as if legislation affecting workers’ rights, and a suppressed minimum wage, and God-knows-how-many-other factors, don’t matter.
Verbal Kint
July 17th, 2012
8:01 am
TaxPayer said:
“It’s common sense for most, cons obviously excluded, that those that take the most should pay the most”
Take the most or earn the most? Please clarify. If it’s “take the most”, then from whom are they taking?
Jm
July 17th, 2012
8:01 am
Taxpayer 8 don’t hold your breath
stands for decibels
July 17th, 2012
8:01 am
Is that your idea of new material?
well yeah. new for me. I didn’t say the new material was necessarily *funny*…
Verbal Kint
July 17th, 2012
8:03 am
Taxpayer – Romney released last year’s return so get analyzing.
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July 17th, 2012
8:03 am
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Brosephus™
July 17th, 2012
8:04 am
boy howdy, wouldn’t it be cool to find out that Obama only got into that fancy Ivy League school on account of quotas and set-asides?
You mean, I could have gone to Harvard just because I had more melanin than most of their school population??? Man, I should have read my “How To Be Black and Get Yo Benefits!” handbook when I was born.
stands for decibels
July 17th, 2012
8:05 am
Mitt, far as I can tell, has done nothing but run for President since 2007.
I guess that’s what makes his secretiveness regarding his tax returns all the more galling.
I mean, he’s running for President, for Pete’s sake. Has been all this time. And now he (well, his apologists, anyway) act all butthurt and complain about how unfair it is to be scrutinized like that?
WTF did he expect?
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
July 17th, 2012
8:06 am
“Those that make the most should pay the most”………already happening……When Washington needs more cash, other than China, they go to the producers. Where will all these folks not working ( the ones that want to work) get a job, from welfare participants? Don’t think so. Jobs come from the private sector. They need fair taxes, fair regulations and consumer confidence to hire. The President doesn’t have a clue. He thinks jobs come from giving speech’s. He say’s everyday He’s working hard for jobs and the American people………Really? All he see’s is a person on entitlements is a vote.
TaxPayer
July 17th, 2012
8:06 am
Take the most or earn the most? Please clarify. If it’s “take the most”, then from whom are they taking?
The tax code makes no distinction. Taxes are to be paid on all monies obtained by any means with certain exceptions.
bman
July 17th, 2012
8:07 am
Stands .. .. On that, I agree. Maybe he never thought he would get the nomination?
TaxPayer
July 17th, 2012
8:08 am
Verbal,
Mitt’s daddy told his son that one year’s tax return is not enough. I’m waiting.
Mitt Romney's "Son of Detroit" Op-Ed
July 17th, 2012
8:12 am
Mitt Romney recently wrote an op-ed, in the op-ed he claimed to be a “son of Detroit”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh9XCC45jw4
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 17th, 2012
8:14 am
Man, I should have read my “How To Be Black and Get Yo Benefits!” handbook when I was born.
You coulda picked up a free copy at the Librul Plantation Sto’.
Maybe he never thought he would get the nomination?
Possibly.
Or maybe he thought Team Obama were as wussy as Romney had claimed in “No Apologizin’ to Rag-Heads”, or whatever he called his book.
It’s just me, but I do think Team Romney seems a little out of their element at this very moment; they don’t seem to be responding to the attacks very well. And no, I don’t imagine this state of affairs will remain in place for long. I always thought Romney would mount a tough campaign.
TaxPayer
July 17th, 2012
8:15 am
Does anyone else think it odd that another blogger would post as a small time con man while expressing his support of the GOP. Well, on second thought, never mind.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 17th, 2012
8:18 am
Anyone else wonder if Mitt bristles at comparisons to Dad?
MiltonMan
July 17th, 2012
8:23 am
“Why are you so interested in Obama’s transcripts? Is it education envy?”
I guess you forgot how idiotic you libs were about constantly bashing Bush because he was a “C” student at Yale.
Resigned Sigh
July 17th, 2012
8:24 am
Jay,
It was good to see you “go there” regarding the propaganda. The biggest problem we face is anger-porn (i.e. talk radio), which is designed to poke, poke, poke the frustration in much the same way sexual pornography is used to poke a different part of the brain. We’re out of balance – the rich are using their extraordinary power to gobble up more and more.
Look at those parroting the right-wing talking points right here – “He is comparing George Romney’s income tax to Mitt’s capital gains tax. Mitt has already paid income tax on that money,” says Robert. Are you kidding me? No, he hasn’t – that’s utter nonsense. Investment income has become the great new tax dodge, allowing for incredible accumulation of wealth for those connected.
What’s even more amazing is how these same posters are the first to cry about the deficit/debt. Does it ever occur to any of them that as the middle gets pushed DOWNWARD, more government services will be required simply to sustain livability?
One last point: If you simply take the 1980 minimum wage ($3.10) and multiply it by the value of a 1980 dollar ($3.57) you come up with a MINIMUM WAGE north of $11 now. But we can’t have that, because having 44 times the average income isn’t enough for today’s titan. No, no, it has to be 400-500 times the average. Capitalism cannot survive without a thriving middle class.
Don Abernethy
July 17th, 2012
8:25 am
I assume you would like a government more like North Korea??
MiltonMan
July 17th, 2012
8:26 am
Mitt’s Dad >>>>> Obozo’s dad
Verbal Kint
July 17th, 2012
8:26 am
“The tax code makes no distinction. Taxes are to be paid on all monies obtained by any means with certain exceptions.”
Brilliant.
curious
July 17th, 2012
8:28 am
I wish I could’ve made a few “C” s.
At least you are admitting you’re just as idiotic as us Liberals.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 17th, 2012
8:28 am
midgetlittle people SHEETZVerbal Kint
July 17th, 2012
8:29 am
“Does anyone else think it odd that another blogger would post as a small time con man while expressing his support of the GOP. Well, on second thought, never mind.”
I remember when I was in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, IL.
stands for decibels (SfBA)
July 17th, 2012
8:30 am
and MM, I daresay we liberals spent approximately 1/10th the time obsessing over W Bush’s legacy admission between 2001-2009, as you guys spend fretting that Obama was an affirmative-action charity case.
Headin’ upstairs.
MiltonMan
July 17th, 2012
8:31 am
“The biggest problem we face is anger-porn (i.e. talk radio),…”
Yes, much, much more a problem than 8+% unemployment, unsustainable debt, shortage of skilled professionals, etc., etc.
talk radio = freedom of specch. If you don’t like it, change the Bill of Rights pal.
MiltonMan
July 17th, 2012
8:33 am
“At least you are admitting you’re just as idiotic as us Liberals.”
Please step out of your fantasy land & pinpoint exactly where I admitted this.
Verbal Kint
July 17th, 2012
8:34 am
“Investment income has become the great new tax dodge, allowing for incredible accumulation of wealth for those connected.”
Question for you: Is it legal? If not, please explain. Otherwise, you are simply guilty of wealth envy with a statement like that.
You mention the minimum wage. Is that what the middle class should be striving for, making minimum wage?
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
July 17th, 2012
8:34 am
Report out this morning stating that 2 million jobs will be lost is Bush Tax cuts expire. The winch Patty Murray has no problem with that. It’s all political bull. It’s 85 billion dollars a year IF rates go up, or 81/2 days of operating the government. This is nothing but class war fare. Cut the rate to 25% and watch ALL THE DAMN HIRING !
MiltonMan
July 17th, 2012
8:34 am
Even the lib Golden child Bill Clinton stated that Mittie’s work at Bain was “stellar”.
I'm a liberal and believe everything I read and nothing the other side comes up with...cause we're smart and they are not
July 17th, 2012
8:38 am
You only have to look at interest rates to see where this Obama economy stands. The next stop for the Fed is free money. The clues are everywhere.
Speed Racer
July 17th, 2012
8:40 am
@stands for decibel: Does not matter what % of wealth they hold. If we were starting a society and you made $100,000/year and I made $10,000/year, it would be “fair” for us to contribute the same % to support the society. Wouldn’t it? Let’s say 10% tax. You pay $10,000 and I pay $1,000. Equal sacrifice. Otherwise, I have to look you in the eye and tell you, “You need to pay more than me even though we both live in the same society.”
curious
July 17th, 2012
8:45 am
MiltonMan
Appears you’re obsessing over Obama’s transcript as much as we obsessed over Bush’s.
Since we’re idiots for our obsession, you must be an idiot for your obsession over the same thing.
Maybe you’re in fantasy land.
TiredOfIt
July 17th, 2012
9:00 am
It’s interesting to watch the Dems do to Romney what he did to the other Reps candidates during the primaries and then he cries foul.
Donovan
July 17th, 2012
9:02 am
Thanks once again for that rousing campaign speech. Based on the obvious observation that Bookman can’t inspire anyone about Obama’s record, he takes the low character road oh his minders. Pathetic and low class. Is that all you slimey Democrats can come up with?
You hypocrites demand transparency in Mitt’s world, but support a radical who has sealed any and all information about his own life. Until your empty suit opens up his life, Mitt has no reason to undress in front of you hypocrites.
Femogiga
July 17th, 2012
9:06 am
Thank God for the Internet for allowing every Tom think and Harry to spout out nonsense. Let us dissect the logic here. The last comment said he has already paid income tax on the gains.absolutely clueless.do not talk about what you have no knowledge about. It almost like saying ” why am I paying sales tax when I have already paid payroll tax. The fact is that during George Romney heydays the capital gain tax was 48% . Capital taxes were levied to capture the portion of income that is not from regular employment because the wealthy were channelling most of via the capital route and thus avoiding paying the taxes.
joe
July 17th, 2012
9:17 am
American History as told through Obama:
Grow national debt by 5 trillion, bow to every foreign leader, cower to the Russians and Iranians, Hang Israel out to dry, pee off the Christians, bend over backwards for the islamists (terrorists), ignore our constitution, ram obamacare down our throats (even though most don’t want it), take God out of anything public and the military, surround himself with communists, etc, etc etc.
I’m sure ya’ll can come up with more…feel free to add to the list.
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9:30 am
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11:25 am
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