Let’s play “One of these things is not like the other’!
How can all these things be true at the same time in the same universe?
– The biggest banks in the world are revealed to have manipulated the critically important LIBOR rate for years for their own financial benefit.
– JP Morgan Chase is belatedly discovered to have lost $5.8 billion — up from the original $2 billion estimate — in risky derivatives trading that it supposedly did not dabble in. The trades were allegedly hidden both from regulators and from top executives.
– Jon Corzine and MF Global announce that they have lost $40 billion — including $1.6 billion of clients’ money that by law should never have been put at risk. The money may never be recovered.
– Russell Wasendorf, founder of PFGBest, is arrested for fraud for having lost more than $200 million in clients’ money that again by law should never have been put at risk. Again, the money may never be recovered.
– The financial system is overregulated.
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getalife
July 15th, 2012
3:05 pm
“The banks own the place” durbin on the senate.
As pols chase those unlimited bribes, it gets worse.
I suggest pundits start a citizen united corruption scandal file because it will be big.
getalife
July 15th, 2012
3:09 pm
“They will do bad things in Washington until the people stop them” ensign warned on his way out.
Keep his words in mind while debating American politics.
josef
July 15th, 2012
3:25 pm
MIGHTY RIGHTY
“TWO
During the same period which countries mudered its citizens, disarrned them and used military force make them to comply with a poltical system that resulted in their enslavement poverty, starvation, poor health care, and the deaths of million?.”
*************
Don’t get me wrong. I love my country, but to answer the question:
“…murdered its citizens…” Well, okay, they weren’t citizens yet, that would have to wait until the 1920s when a convenient enough number had been slaughtered, but do the American Indians ring a bell…?
“…used military force to make them comply with a political system…” The Civil War comes to mind the Removals, the Plains Wars,
“…enslavement…” Well, I do seem to recall that was a fundamental element of the American scene for a good part of that 200 year history.
“…starvation…” Outside a couple of years here and there in isolated incidences, that one has never been characteristic of the federal government’s policies.
“…poor health care…” Really? Let’s see, slavery, Jim Crow; the Reservations, Appalachia and the urban slums…
“…the deaths of millions…” Aw, what’s a few pesky savages, the middle passage, the Late Unpleasantness, some Hawaiians, among others when rewriting the past to make it more perfect….
We’re not squeaky clean
Oscar
July 15th, 2012
3:26 pm
dbm
July 15th, 2012
2:45 pm
______
I am still not sure what you are advocating. We pass laws now that restrict what banks can do. And if they violate those laws we prosecute. I call that regulation.
You complain about government interfering with banks. What activities of the government do you consider government interfering. Are you advocating that the government stop bank audits. I don’t see that as interference with what they are doing.
Bank audits are more like state police by the road with a radar gun looking for speeders. I don’t call that interference.
G Mare
July 15th, 2012
3:51 pm
Off topic, but very interesting. Go to Intercollegiate
Studies Institute for a history & government quiz. I would post the link if I knew how.
Doggone/GA
July 15th, 2012
3:56 pm
” I don’t call that interference”
What fascinates me is the naive beleif that is you JUST stop watching, all the crooks will suddently begin to do the right thing.
Doggone/GA
July 15th, 2012
3:58 pm
“I would post the link if I knew how.”
Just to up the the bar where the address is displayed, highlight all of it, do CTRL-C…come back here and in the comments box do CTRL-V to paste it
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
4:00 pm
G Mare
Go to the web page that you wish to link.
Place your cursor on the top line that shows the URL (usually begins with http)
Left click once to highlight the line (usually in blue)
Right click to open a dialogue window (options may include
undo
cut
copy
paste
paste&go
delete
select all)
Left click on copy
When you return here, place your cursor in the comments box like you would to type something.
Right click to display the dialogue box you saw earlier
Left click on paste.
The URL should appear in the comments box
Timus
July 15th, 2012
4:02 pm
It might ruffle some feathers but that time when the bankers were honest……..that was before Reagan deregulated banks and allowed Savings and Loans(your money) to be combined with investment banks(their money). Things started to go down the drain before he could even make it out of office!!!
GT
July 15th, 2012
4:04 pm
I wonder if when we finally see Romney’s tax returns if we don’t see some off shore activity that didn’t assist his so call miracle of saving the Olympics. Bain didn’t start outsourcing till he became head of a very troubled and corrupt Olympics. Maybe this new direction of investment management came from running a corrupt Olympics off shore.
190 more days
July 15th, 2012
4:04 pm
Thanks Dog, I didn’t know either.
Mr_B
July 15th, 2012
4:13 pm
G-Mare
Even easier: Highlight the name of the webpage (URL) in your browser window.
Hold down the Crtl key (there’s one on each side of the space bar) and hit the “C” key ate the same time.
Now put your cursor back in the comment box and hold down the Ctrl key while pressing the “V” key.
The URL will show up as a link in the comment box.
BlahBlahBlah
July 15th, 2012
4:15 pm
I think it’s possible it’s overregulated and underregulated at the same time.
It’s overregulated from the standpoint of the sheer number of rules and regulations out there.
But it’s simultaneously underregulated because the government clowns at the SEC, CFTC, etc. don’t know what the heck they’re doing.
Harry Markopolos, the Bernie Madoff whistleblower, basically made that same claim years ago. He said the SEC and CFTC were a kangaroo court. I’ve seen nothing to disprove it.
At this point the best way to ferret out the fraud is to jack up the whistleblower rewards. But even then it’s doubtful the morons in the government will find the fraud. Markopolos handed it to them on a silver platter and they ignored it. Tim Geithner and the NY Fed were told of the LIBOR stuff years ago, and they ignored it.
Yet in Bookman’s fantasy land this is somehow a Republican issue.
Mr_B
July 15th, 2012
4:16 pm
Good afternoon, everybody!
G Mare
July 15th, 2012
4:16 pm
Thanks, but I am on an iPad. Maybe one of y’all can put it up. It’s a cool test!
Doggone/GA
July 15th, 2012
4:23 pm
“Thanks, but I am on an iPad. Maybe one of y’all can put it up. It’s a cool test”
Interesting that you can’t even do a simple copy/paste. I knew there was a good reason not to waste my money on those tablet “PC”s!
G Mare
July 15th, 2012
4:24 pm
I received it an email,,so will forward to Jay
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
4:25 pm
http://www.isi.org/quiz.aspx
That it?
Oscar
July 15th, 2012
4:25 pm
http://www.isi.org/quiz.aspx?q=FE5C3B47-9675-41E0-9CF3-072BB31E2692&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
Mr_B
July 15th, 2012
4:26 pm
“Yet in Bookman’s fantasy land this is somehow a Republican issue.’
My monitor must be defective somehow… I can’t seem to find the word “Republican” in Jay’s post? Am I doing something wrong?
Tundra Dude
July 15th, 2012
4:27 pm
http://www.ehow.com/how_5948054_copy-paste-ipad.html
Recon 0311 2533
July 15th, 2012
4:33 pm
It’s true that Obama is a far left thinker and at very least a socialist believer. I don’t know if he goes all the way to Marxism but I would hope he doesn’t get a second term for the country to find out. Having said that I will say that Jay is not an idiot and calling him an idiot doesn’t compliment the conservative cause as it places us down at the same level as the more immature left wing bloggers on here. I disagree with Jay’s political views often but he’s entitled to his views and while those views may make him misguided they certainly don’t warrant calling him an idiot.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
4:33 pm
My monitor must be defective somehow… I can’t seem to find the word “Republican” in Jay’s post? Am I doing something wrong?
Reading comprehension immediately leaps to mind, not that I would in any shape, form or fashion label that wrong.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
4:41 pm
Damn.
My (well, not technically mine but the little suckers that hang around here) hummingbirds have devoured three cups of syrup in 10 days.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 15th, 2012
4:44 pm
This is good !
Headline: “Feds OK Florida’s access to citizens list, Scott declares ‘victory’ for voters”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/14/feds-ok-florida-access-to-citizens-list/#ixzz20j5HH6QP
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/14/feds-ok-florida-access-to-citizens-list/
Recon 0311 2533
July 15th, 2012
4:44 pm
Kam,
I didn’t know that hummingbirds were such heavy drinkers.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
4:49 pm
Del
Generally I have to make food (3 cups water to 1 cup sugar boil briefly, allow to cool, 10-15 drops red food coloring) once a month.
Recon 0311 2533
July 15th, 2012
4:54 pm
Kam,
At first when I was a little kid I was terrified by hummingbirds until I discovered how gentile these little feathered critters really are.
marko
July 15th, 2012
4:54 pm
Thank you JamVet at 12:41, I’ve tried to point out the dangers posed to a free society when business and government start shacking up with one another. I’m a little jealous. yours was better written than my stuff. I hope it gets a ton of reads.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 15th, 2012
4:57 pm
Recon 0311 2533
Check out this blooper with the freeway in the top right background !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxYaqmuus2M&feature=related
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
5:02 pm
Del
Gentle?
There’s one female that sits in the tree in front of the house and fights any other hummingbird, male or female, that approaches the feeder. I’ve witnessed some real knockdown drag-outs.
I’ll stand there with the top window open watching, and once she hovered about two feet away and scolded me for a full 45 seconds.
Recon 0311 2533
July 15th, 2012
5:10 pm
Kam,
Guess then they’re not so gentle. I’ve been playfully buzzed by them but nothing aggressive.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 15th, 2012
5:15 pm
Recon 0311 2533:
This is a rare treat ………. Kammy exchanging with you civilly about hummingbirds.
Just once I was able to engage him in a semi-courteous exchange about a pistol he had bought.
Ya’ never know …………………………
Recon 0311 2533
July 15th, 2012
5:19 pm
0311/8541,
I watched “Combat” as a kid with my father and it may have inspired me to enlist in Marines. Impressionable youth, where did that get us when some lived and some died, while some are living with wounds that have altered their entire lives. I’m saddened for those young people of our children’s generation, who’ve been faced with the same thing for far too long.
Recon 0311 2533
July 15th, 2012
5:24 pm
0311/8541,
I’ve never had any contentious issues with Kam. Maybe because we’re both Irish.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 15th, 2012
5:28 pm
Recon 0311 2533:
All I can tell you is that I have the design for the yellow/red Nam ribbon for a license plate on the front of my truck. I will always be proud that I fought for the freedom of another people. I have posted this many times but the below quote also hangs on the wall to my right. I can’t say it any better:
“I have the sense from time to time that I am not alone, and I suspect that despite the limited understanding we have of events in distant places, there will always be those among us who have the gleam of the quest in their eyes. They are people of every sex and station and they yearn to be challenged to a cause. They will always be looking for that wrong to right, that ill to cure, that song to sing; and there will always be those who will go to arms in aid of the helpless and the downtrodden. Ignoring the political issues of the moment, these people will champion the weak and the poor in the face of evil and tyranny. And no matter what the outcome, in their romantic hearts they will always keep the secret, if secret it must be, that they are better men for having held the lamp beside the golden door”.
David Donovan “Once a Warrior King”
barking frog
July 15th, 2012
5:31 pm
Kamchak
I have fed humming birds
for years. When the feeders
get empty they will hover
at a door or window where
they can see you to remind
you to refill.
G Mare
July 15th, 2012
5:33 pm
Doggone, it is possible to copy/paste on the iPad, but I have yet to quite get how to do it.
Yes, that’s the test. I’m curious to know if any of you take it & what your scores are.
One tem wonder!
July 15th, 2012
5:36 pm
It is sad that a sitting President and his campaign has stooped as low as it has… Lying will get them nowhere…. Romney wasn’t President the last four years yet Obama is blaming him for outsourcing a decade ago… How about Oblama outsourcing just the last few years with our tax money…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
5:38 pm
The personal dynamics among the regulars here is very interesting to observe. That dynamic did a180 degree turn on the Penn St/Sandusky thread.
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frog
Several homes up here have feeders, and I suspect that my aggressive female tries to stand guard on every one.
She really is a mouthy little hen.
getalife
July 15th, 2012
5:39 pm
“George Lopez: ‘Mitt Romney Is a F***ing Latino and He Won’t Admit It’…” drudgey.
True.
Recon 0311 2533
July 15th, 2012
5:41 pm
0311/8541,
Most I knew who staid in did so for the combat experience and those who had no choice did so because they had no choice. I don’t recall anyone feeling as though they were fighting for the betterment of a people in a foreign land. Fighting for yourself and each other was/is the common thread of an infantryman regardless of wars they fought in.
barking frog
July 15th, 2012
5:45 pm
Kam
the air to air combat rivals
anything the top gun pilots
can do. once they learn the
feeders you can dispense
with the food coloring
unless you just like the
color. the alpha female is
probably feeding young
and will bring them to
feed too. i have seen as
many as 8 birds on one
feeder and combat was
on.
Fred ™
July 15th, 2012
5:46 pm
To Kammie and Del, get a room. (J/K lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98LaApCB4l8
barking frog
July 15th, 2012
5:48 pm
Fred™
are you and Kyle sharing a
room yet?
Fred ™
July 15th, 2012
5:55 pm
G-Mare are you stupid?
LOL Just kidding. My wife got me an I-Pad and I haven’t a clue on how to do much of anything anything on it either. but i found this for you (and me). Seems like more of a pain in the butt than Copy/paste like you do on a PC but it is what it is. LOL I’ll probably forget before I ever try it on MY I-pad.
http://www.ehow.com/how_5948054_copy-paste-ipad.html
Fred ™
July 15th, 2012
5:57 pm
I dunno bark, are we? He deleted a post of mine when I objected to one of his little ass lickers calling me a liar. I sent him a complaint email but he lacked the balls to reply. I haven’t been back.
Why do you ask? You want pictures?
barking frog
July 15th, 2012
5:58 pm
Fred™
Please.
Fred ™
July 15th, 2012
5:59 pm
Oh and Bark? Have you seen Kyle’s blog photo? Judging by it, I’m not sure that he’s reached the age of consent so if we WERE sharing a room I wouldn’t tell
barking frog
July 15th, 2012
6:00 pm
Fred™
he looks and reads a little
cherry..
barking frog
July 15th, 2012
6:02 pm
Fred™
i do admire your refusal
to kiss and tell..
Fred ™
July 15th, 2012
6:03 pm
Kam and or barking frog: Can I just stick a pole in the ground and hang the feeder from it? How long does the pole need to be off the ground?
I know, I could google it but where is the personal exchange of knowledge in THAT? The male bondage?
(LOL When we were ready to leave the desert from Desert Storm our idiot SGT Major was giving us a lecture on how to greet our wifes or girl friends and he said, “I know you’ve enjoyed your forced year of male bondage but…..”
And yes, he WAS a complete ass. If there is a God I WILL see him in civilian life. I haven’t so far though……..
Fred ™
July 15th, 2012
6:04 pm
Barking Frog @ 6:00: LOL. Like a Sweet Cherry Pie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjyZKfdwlng
barking frog
July 15th, 2012
6:11 pm
Fred™
you can hang the feeders
about anywhere since they
feed from ground level up.
the feeders attract bees
also so consider that.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
6:12 pm
Fred
I dunno about the pole in the ground, mine’s hanging from a bracket attached to the screened in porch.
I haven’t had any problems, but some people evidently have an issue with ants in the feeder. I noticed on amazon.com they sell ant moats. They’re plastic dishes filled with water that are between the hanger and the feeder.
Fred ™
July 15th, 2012
6:13 pm
Squirrels don’t try for them?
Fred ™
July 15th, 2012
6:15 pm
I could SO easily hang one from my screened in porch. My 10 yo daughter would love it. We had some bushes that attracted Hummingbirds but the had the most good awful long thorns on them so I cut them down. A nice replacement would be cool.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
6:20 pm
Squirrels eat seeds, not nectar.
If you want an effective squirrel proof bird feeder, want plenty of entertainment and have an extra $130, I suggest the Droll Yankee Flipper bird feeder.
This video is hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEW9TG6Dcgg
barking frog
July 15th, 2012
6:20 pm
Fred™
never had a problem with
squirrels but you never
know about the nosy
little pests. i have watched
hummers battle bumble
bees and yellowjackets.
G Mare
July 15th, 2012
6:22 pm
0311 @ 5:28, NICE!
Fred, ain’t stupid, just old. Yeah, I figured you were kidding. Love the iPad cuz I don’t have to get out of the recliner!
paulo977
July 15th, 2012
6:22 pm
josef
We’re not squeaky clean
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I guess it’s OK for us as WE are the master race ?????
paulo977
July 15th, 2012
6:28 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
6:20 pm
________________________________
We had one but the squirrels just demolished it!!!!
marko
July 15th, 2012
6:29 pm
Which country has the best healthcare system? At the end of the day, it’s a what’s your favorite ice cream flavor question. A wealthy woman with blindingly white teeth, and the best boobs money can buy, might easily choose the good old USA. A poor fellow , treasuring his remaining tooth might feel a bit differently.
If you can afford it, Americas got a great heath care system. If you can’t afford it, Put your trust in God. Isn’t that our reaffirmed national motto. Reaffirm it again. God knows you’ve got nothing else to do.
If we should ever require a new national motto, I’d like to suggest “ thank you sir may I have another”.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
6:30 pm
paulo977
The first one I had was found at the foot of the tree with large teeth holes in it.
I figure it was pulled down off the tree by a bear.
marko
July 15th, 2012
6:32 pm
Squirrels, hummingbirds?
G Mare
July 15th, 2012
6:32 pm
I don’t have one of those cool flip’em off feeders, but have found that using something like Pledge on the pole periodically keeps it too slippery for the rodents.
G.I. Joe
July 15th, 2012
6:37 pm
Obama admitted to committing a felony by doing Coke – he lied to get his law license. One of the standard questions asked is have you ever committed a felony. If he had answered yes to the offense he would have been denied a law license. He has no place accusing anyone else of lying and committing a felony when he has done it himself.
F. Sinkwich
July 15th, 2012
6:44 pm
“He has no place accusing anyone else of lying and committing a felony when he has done it himself.”
Dude, he was never convicted, therefore he has no felonies to declare.
barking frog
July 15th, 2012
6:44 pm
G I joe
I believe that question would be have you ever been convicted of a felony.
Both lawyers and judges
can serve with prior
felonies that have been
pardoned.
Doggone/GA
July 15th, 2012
6:44 pm
“Obama admitted to committing a felony by doing Coke – he lied to get his law license.”
Nah, according to one of your compatriots here…he didn’t get caught and indicted, so he didn’t do anything illegal
marko
July 15th, 2012
6:45 pm
GI Joe, You sure as hell don,t have to worry about Mitts doing Coke. It’s got caffine in it.
marko
July 15th, 2012
6:51 pm
If adultery occurs in the forest, and nobody sees it, did it happen?
F. Sinkwich
July 15th, 2012
6:51 pm
bf can actually complete a thought before hitting the return key.
Who
would
have
thought
that?
F. Sinkwich
July 15th, 2012
6:52 pm
“If adultery occurs in the forest, and nobody sees it, did it happen?”
Nope.
G Mare
July 15th, 2012
6:55 pm
RIP Celeste Holm. My favorite movie with her: HIGH SOCIETY. Co starred Crosby, Sinatra, Louie Armstrong, & Grace Kelly, among others. IMO, one of the GREATS. Added bonus: Grace sings.
barking frog
July 15th, 2012
6:56 pm
WTF. Sinkwich
If i hit a key will you return
to your hidey hole?
marko
July 15th, 2012
6:59 pm
If a man says something in the forest, and his wife doesn’t hear him, is he still wrong?
Doggone/GA
July 15th, 2012
7:01 pm
“If adultery occurs in the forest, and nobody sees it, did it happen?”
Well…unless the participants were blind, the answer is yes…because THEY saw it.
Thomas
July 15th, 2012
7:03 pm
Squirrels need a better health care system or perhaps they need to stop jaywalking
G Mare
July 15th, 2012
7:04 pm
Marko@ 6:59: probably.
dbm
July 15th, 2012
7:05 pm
Oscar
July 15th, 2012
3:26 pm
I am more interested in clarifying fundamental issues than in advocating a particular solution.
I am also trying to get people to think enough about the positions they take.
I think the fundamental problem with our discussion is that Jay did not make clear enough what he meant by overregulation.
marko
July 15th, 2012
7:06 pm
G Mare,I was arfaid of that.
dbm
July 15th, 2012
7:08 pm
Doggone/GA
July 15th, 2012
3:56 pm
Can you show us where anyone said or implied that?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
7:11 pm
If a woman makes a definitive declarative statement in the woods and no one hears, will she still change her mind?
Oscar
July 15th, 2012
7:12 pm
G Mare
July 15th, 2012
6:55 pm
RIP Celeste Holm. My favorite movie with her: HIGH SOCIETY. Co starred Crosby, Sinatra, Louie Armstrong, & Grace Kelly, among others. IMO, one of the GREATS. Added bonus: Grace
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Have to say that my it was yar.
F. Sinkwich
July 15th, 2012
7:13 pm
“If i hit a key will you return
to your hidey hole?”
Probably not.
I’ll just continue to ignore your posts, just like everyone else does.
marko
July 15th, 2012
7:14 pm
Laws only matter when they’re enforced. regulations are the same. Those that cry about oppressive regulations have as much right to whine about them as we do to cry about the Speed limits on I-285.
marko
July 15th, 2012
7:17 pm
Enter your comments here
G Mare
July 15th, 2012
7:21 pm
Oscar, Indeed yar! One of my favorite parts, among many, was her duet with
Sinatra among the wedding gifts. Hey, nice to know someone remembers it as I do!
marko
July 15th, 2012
7:23 pm
I’m sorry sorry did I say that businesses have the same right to complain about regulations as I do about speed limits? I see cops every day. When’s the last time you saw a OSHA inspector?
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
July 15th, 2012
7:23 pm
80% Democrats, minimum.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
7:27 pm
Witchie-poo believes he speaks for people other than himself.
Witchie-poo is wrong.
Witchie-poo wasn’t granted that authority.
G Mare
July 15th, 2012
7:28 pm
Yeah, Marko honey, live & learn. First lesson: don’t piss off the wimmen. We have long memories & we vote.
I hope you do know that I am teasing you. I am an OLD woman so I am allowed to do that.
marko
July 15th, 2012
7:37 pm
Forget about raising taxes, just hire enough enforcement officers to ensure complience with existing laws, and we’d eliminate the deficit and unemployment in a single stroke. What if businesses were really concerneded about the regulations they whine about? Last I heard Black Lung was alive and well, and living in Kentucy.
marko
July 15th, 2012
7:40 pm
G Mare, I’m not a old man yet, though i have noticed one looking back at me in the mirror.
G Mare
July 15th, 2012
7:41 pm
Kam@7:11, you have a problem with that?!? From all the posts here in the past several months, I know you don’t. I get that you just couldn’t help yourself. IMO, you are among the goods guys here. But sometimes the “low hanging fruit” is just too much to resist. And, appropos of nothing in this post, do watch HIGH SOCIETY. It is truly a lovely movie.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
7:46 pm
G Mare
Yeah, it was a low hanging fruit thingie but I figured as long as we’re spoofing gender stereotypes — what’s good for the goose, is good for the gander.
Besides, I adore wimmen and I adore y’all for everything y’all are.
G Mare
July 15th, 2012
7:49 pm
Yo, Marko, I SO get that! When I look in that mirror, I see my mom. I loved my mom, but eewwew! I surely never planned for this. Well, the old adage says, “we plan, god/goddess laughs.”
weetamoe
July 15th, 2012
7:53 pm
So it has come to this: Obama says *you think you’re so smart.* He said *whole bunch* a whole buncha times again over the weekend, too. Does Jay Carney know what that all means in constitutional law professor shorthand?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 15th, 2012
7:58 pm
He said *whole bunch* a whole buncha times again over the weekend, too.
Did he, or anyone in his administration say the smoking gun is the mushroom cloud?