Internal report on Sandusky scandal harsh, damning

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As a graduate of Penn State University, and as a sports fan who has taken pride in my alma mater’s football success and how it was achieved, I confess that the newly released investigative report on the Jerry Sandusky scandal comes across as harsh. (Text available here.)

Unfortunately, it also comes across as utterly truthful and damning. It allows for no excuses and no claim of extenuating circumstances. It relates a tale of badly twisted institutional and personal priorities in which protecting reputations became more important than protecting helpless children. In a larger sense, it also testifies to the remarkable human capability to rationalize behavior that in any other context you would immediately recognize as wrong.

AJC sportswriter Dave O’Brien wrapped up the report’s verdict on Coach Joe Paterno in a tweet, quoting Voltaire: “Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.” I think that’s exactly right. In Paterno’s case, the good he did not do is a lot.

Jerry Sandusky

Jerry Sandusky

Here’s a portion of the report’s summary, edited a bit for brevity:

“The most saddening finding by the Special Investigative Counsel is the total and consistent disregard by the most senior leaders at Penn State for the safety and welfare of Sandusky’s child victims….

Four of the most powerful people at The Pennsylvania State University –- President Graham B. Spanier, Senior Vice President‐Finance and Business Gary C. Schultz, Athletic Director Timothy M. Curley and Head Football Coach Joseph V. Paterno –- failed to protect against a child sexual predator harming children for over a decade. These men concealed Sandusky’s activities from the Board of Trustees, the university community and authorities. They exhibited a striking lack of empathy for Sandusky’s victims….

Taking into account the available witness statements and evidence, the Special Investigative Counsel finds that it is more reasonable to conclude that, in order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity, the most powerful leaders at the University -– Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley –- repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky’s child abuse from the authorities, the University’s Board of Trustees, the Penn State community, and the public at large.

The avoidance of the consequences of bad publicity is the most significant, but not the only, cause for this failure to protect child victims and report to authorities. The investigation also revealed:

– A striking lack of empathy for child abuse victims by the most senior leaders of the University.

– A failure by the Board to make reasonable inquiry in 2011 by not demanding details from Spanier and the General Counsel about the nature and direction of the grand jury investigation and the University’s response to the investigation.

– A President who discouraged discussion and dissent.

– A decision by Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley to allow Sandusky to retire in 1999, not as a suspected child predator, but as a valued member of the Penn State football legacy, with future “visibility” at Penn State and ways “to continue to work with young people through Penn State,” essentially granting him license to bring boys to campus facilities for “grooming” as targets for his assaults. Sandusky retained unlimited access to University facilities until November 2011.

– A culture of reverence for the football program that is ingrained at all levels of the campus community.

Sandusky’s victims have a lot to overcome. Penn State leadership, which conspired with and enabled Sandusky, also has its own demons with which to wrestle. But if the lessons and warnings taught by this tragedy do not also extend beyond the university to the culture at large, a great opportunity will have been lost.

– Jay Bookman

629 comments Add your comment

Stevie Ray

July 12th, 2012
12:01 pm

JAY,

Geez….first the catholic church and now this…sad times..terrible to think what is going on at other (formerly) respected institutions not brought into the light..

getalife

July 12th, 2012
12:01 pm

I know this one hurt Jay :( .

josef

July 12th, 2012
12:05 pm

IMAM

Well, I’ll be snookered…I lost that bet…you owe me a sawbuck… :-)

ty webb

July 12th, 2012
12:05 pm

great job opportunity for any statue demolitionist in the happy valley area…very Tragic.

Peadawg

July 12th, 2012
12:06 pm

Take his statue down and give the football program the death penalty. What happened was beyond anything that can be put into words.

barking frog

July 12th, 2012
12:07 pm

And all this time I thought
accessory was a crime.
I guess the pope changed
that.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 12th, 2012
12:07 pm

“– A striking lack of empathy for child abuse victims by the most senior leaders of the University.”

Pretty much says it all. With Paterno dead, are the other three fired? That is the least that should be done. I don’t recommend any punishment for the school though. It’s the leaders that should take the fall as aiders and abettors…

East Lake Ira

July 12th, 2012
12:07 pm

Sorry PSU Alums but if it were up to me, the whole university would be closed – even the creamery.

This is shameful.

ty webb

July 12th, 2012
12:09 pm

“With Paterno dead, are the other three fired?”

their jobs are the least of their worries now.

Recon 0311 2533

July 12th, 2012
12:09 pm

Unfortunately, Paterno’s gone leaving behind only his family to live with the shame. Sandusky on the other hand will live with his shame for the rest of his years in a prison cell. The innocent people at Penn State students, faculty and Alumni will have to live with it too as victims.

the cat

July 12th, 2012
12:09 pm

Why isn’t Sandusky’s wife in jail?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 12th, 2012
12:10 pm

A truly sad and regrettable period that allowed and covered up for a predator.

Our thought should be with the victims. The damage to the athletic dept. of Penn St., it’s football program or the damage to college sports in general, is a minor point.

St Simons

July 12th, 2012
12:10 pm

I just got booted off Jeff S’s blog on this. There’s some sick freaks there.
I got 5 kids in the public system. I better step away from the keyboard.

barking frog

July 12th, 2012
12:12 pm

I’ll bet if the children had
been girls there would be
a lot more people headed
to jail.

Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people

July 12th, 2012
12:13 pm

I hope Sandusky rots in hell

I have to go eat tacos

I hope I’m not deported for suspicious behavior

St Simons

July 12th, 2012
12:13 pm

and if its any consolation, host, I would demand the closing of
Butts-Mehre for 5 years if it was my school.

josef

July 12th, 2012
12:13 pm

This is but one more layer in the rotten onion of child abusers and predators who use their “honored” posts in society to do their dirt with perceived impunity. This is not some aberration. It goes with the territory, and has been going on long enough. Priests or coaches or Uncle Walter this is a dirty little secret that we’ve got to face.

Jefferson

July 12th, 2012
12:16 pm

Things are not always as they seem. And the world does not stand still. People that have in their mind how things once were and how they should be MUST one day realize that it just won’t work. Nothing stays the same, everything is constantly changing. Personal media outlets and the lack of privacy (much given away volentarealy) brings to light new situations never imagined or seen before. Those that can’t evolve will forever be mad and blames anyone or things other than themselves for thinking in a fixed matter. Be aware and keep your senses open.

Them days, done gone.

As for Penn St. — The future is out there, the past should be learned from.

larry

July 12th, 2012
12:16 pm

But if the lessons and warnings taught by this tragedy do not also extend beyond the university to the culture at large, a great opportunity will have been lost.

While i could not agree more, i disagree with shutting down the university or the football program. Why would you blame the whole university when the blame lies enitirely on the President, VP, athletic director and head coach? And the head coach has already passed.

ty webb

July 12th, 2012
12:19 pm

josef,
“monsters” will always exist…in this instance, like the catholic church, the ones charged with protecting the weakest amongst us from becoming victims of the monster, failed miserably…and even abetted the monster.

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

July 12th, 2012
12:19 pm

I hope he gets put in the general population in prison.

Don't Forget

July 12th, 2012
12:20 pm

They should take down Paterno’s statue and REALLY ought to shut the football program down for a few years. This reflects very badly on the the administration and the football program but not on people who are alums who knew nothing about it.

Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people

July 12th, 2012
12:20 pm

Shut the football program

It was the driver for seriously misplaced priorities

Reopen football in 10 years

Peadawg

July 12th, 2012
12:21 pm

“I hope he gets put in the general population in prison.” – Amen!

Here comes Bubba!!!!! Bubba gonna turn that tight end into a wide receiver.

josef

July 12th, 2012
12:21 pm

K’CHAK

@ 12:16

Exactly. But, you can bet we’re far more worried about the “image” of the institution and the sport than we are about the victims…

LARRY
The blame lies with the culture that turns its eyes away from what they know is going on. We all know it, we just don’t want to talk about it and especially as relates to the “macho.”

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 12th, 2012
12:21 pm

JAY:

A couple of points:

1) Penn State – GET THE CHECKBOOK OUT !

2) Sports Illustrated – Will you now please get rid of the “Rare Photos of Joe Paterno” in your college football section as they are making people sick ! http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/?eref=sinav&sct=hp_nv_a

3) Just keep in mind folks that some out there in la la land are already trying to remove pedophilia from the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders). In other words, you’re just “born” that way so we must have compassion.

4) Those who covered this up should be prosecuted. They “will” be sued so they had better get the checkbook out also.

Aquagirl

July 12th, 2012
12:22 pm

Everybody will go “awwwww” then get right back to their football worship. Sports programs at every level are out of control and frankly my dear, nobody gives a damn. Especially the millions of boys in this country who refuse to grow out of their jock-crushes.

barking frog

July 12th, 2012
12:23 pm

Just like the Catholic Church
I cannot believe the practice
and knowledge of this was
not more widespread than
has been discovered.

josef

July 12th, 2012
12:23 pm

TY

Agreed. Now the question is, why?

PEADAWG
That’s not funny in the least when discussing something as serious as this…

Jm (LL) -pass TSPLOST silly people

July 12th, 2012
12:23 pm

Don’t forget 12:20 agreed

RB from Gwinnett

July 12th, 2012
12:24 pm

I personally know 3 people who were abused as children and none of them ever said anything. One by their priest and two by family members. I’m afraid there is a lot more of this going on than we all realize. Sad.

Peadawg

July 12th, 2012
12:24 pm

“That’s not funny in the least when discussing something as serious as this…”

Sorry, but when it comes to kids and pets I believe in eye-for-an-eye.

josef

July 12th, 2012
12:24 pm

AQUAGIRL

And a croak of assent from the Amen lillypad…

FROG
We knew. We know. We just don’t want to admit it.

TM

July 12th, 2012
12:25 pm

When the leaders of a school cares more about it’s football reputation than the safety of children its time to get rid of the leaders and it’s football program.

Bernie

July 12th, 2012
12:25 pm

You know Jay we all know you are from PENNSYLVANIA and this is an issue of concern only to YOU and other PENN STATE followers. I am not sure exactly where
your mind is as of late but many of your topics for discussion leaves a lot to be desired from people who are truly concerned about truly relevant news worthy issue. This would be akin to me being on the editorial staff of the PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE
and writing about the former UGA athletic director holding the panties of a young lady while driving drunk! Many in Pittsburgh would say “its a shame” but what does have to do or interest us here.

barking frog

July 12th, 2012
12:26 pm

AquaGirl
please don’t say ‘jock-crush’

josef

July 12th, 2012
12:26 pm

PEADAWG

It was the heh-heh aspect I found questionable. When it comes to kids, pets and old folks, I’m for stocks in the public square…

larry

July 12th, 2012
12:26 pm

So the current starting QB should take the blame for what Sandusky did?

I dont see anyone posting about closing down the Catholic Church for 10 years and then re-open.

I mean, what about the current coach, did he have anything to do with this.

The people that are/were responsible are being delt with.

carlosgvv

July 12th, 2012
12:26 pm

Power, money and sociopathic personalities go together in America like Mom and apple pie. Therefore, there’s no suprise at all that the “powers that be” showed no empathy for child abuse victims, made no reasonable inquirys, discouraged discusson and dissent and allowed Sandusky to retire with impunity. You may be sure the one and only thing they are sorry for is getting caught in this mess.

The CEO’s in America who run Big Business have exactly the same mind set as these Penn State big wigs.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 12th, 2012
12:28 pm

Off topic –

Princess — since I know you’re here how’s that IP spoofer thing working these days?

Again — using your precious IP spoofer is in direct conflict with the AJC visitor’s agreement.

Why aren’t you posting as Fresh Prince, princess?

Are you trying to protect your privileges here?

josef

July 12th, 2012
12:28 pm

BERNIE

So, you don’t think this is truly relevant or newsworthy? Why?

stands for decibels

July 12th, 2012
12:29 pm

I’m afraid there is a lot more of this going on than we all realize. Sad.

Like RB said.

the cat

July 12th, 2012
12:30 pm

Jay-what do you think should happen to Penn State football being an alum.

godless heathen

July 12th, 2012
12:31 pm

Why would you blame the whole university when the blame lies enitirely on the President, VP, athletic director and head coach?

This:

“A culture of reverence for the football program that is ingrained at all levels of the campus community.”

carlosgvv

July 12th, 2012
12:32 pm

Aquagirl

They refuse to grow out of their “jock-crushes” because they’re convinced that, with enough hard work, a shining NFL future awaits them. No amount of logic or reason seems to be able to change this warped perception among so many American kids.

larry

July 12th, 2012
12:32 pm

What if this happened at the high school level, do you shut down the high school ? Do you eliminate the football team from that high school ?

No , you arrest the coach and make him stand trial. And dont think for a minute that since he got found out, Sandusky hasnt thought about what the general prison population does to people like him

They BOTH suck

July 12th, 2012
12:33 pm

Sad sad sad

However not surprised that Penn State like many institutions, including the Catholic Church, would have higher ups that had direct or indirect knowledge and would downplay it or ignore it all together.

Everyone send a good thought out or a prayer to the victims and their families of travesties of this nature.

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

July 12th, 2012
12:34 pm

Penn State is not the only university in the country where football is god and the football coach outranks the school president and AD in reality, although not on the “official” org chart. This could have happened at any of 3 dozen or more colleges. Until the NCAA grows a pair and punishes coaches for their bad behavior (scandals, recruiting violations, etc) by banning the coach from holding any position in any NCAA school, this culture will not go away. The university or even the state governers are too scared to fire the likes of Paterno, Saban, Meyer, Spurrier, & others for cause out of fear of backlash. That is where the NCAA needs to step in and do it for them.

getalife

July 12th, 2012
12:34 pm

bernie,

It is a front page story on most newspapers.

Deal with it.

“While Republicans lambast the cost of implementing health care reform, a new report shows that their efforts to repeal the law have come at a major cost to taxpayers — to the tune of nearly $50 million.” Aol.

What happened to cutting spending?

the cat

July 12th, 2012
12:35 pm

Does anyone know the total amount the catholic church has paid out to their victims?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 12th, 2012
12:35 pm

josef:

I’ve got to go now but maybe we can discuss #3 in my 12:21 post later this evening:

3) Just keep in mind folks that some out there in la la land are already trying to remove pedophilia from the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders). In other words, you’re just “born” that way so we must have compassion.

In the meantime:

Pedophilia: “psychosexual disorder in which an adult’s arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical pedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult. Most pedophiles are men; the condition is extremely rare in women.”

mm

July 12th, 2012
12:35 pm

I went to PSU for a couple of years. The arrogance of most of the facutly was obvious.

But it speaks volumes that there was an open records law on the books in PA that suspiciously exempted PSU. Maybe the investigation should go a little deeper.

josef

July 12th, 2012
12:35 pm

Ah! We can see it all so clearly…protect foo ball at all costs…

And Larry…close the school if it happened at a lower level institution…that’s certainly what that school board chief out in California did…fired ‘em all at that school…

Peadawg

July 12th, 2012
12:36 pm

“While Republicans lambast the cost of implementing health care reform, a new report shows that their efforts to repeal the law have come at a major cost to taxpayers — to the tune of nearly $50 million.”

HaHa…wow. Go GOP!!!! :roll:

King of Everything

July 12th, 2012
12:37 pm

What was that Sherlock Holmes quote from yesterday about guard dogs not barking?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 12th, 2012
12:37 pm

P.S.

For those of you wanting to shut down the football program that’s not fair to those who had nothing to do with the situtation.

However, by the time Penn State pays off its civil suits it may in effect have to shut down football anyway.

Everyone be nice ………………..

josef

July 12th, 2012
12:37 pm

SCOUT

It will be a cold day in hell before I get into a discussion of that with you for one simple reason, you make too many “connections” that are not there in order to further your own agenda. We would have to agree on terms of discussion that you will not agree to. No disrespect nor offense meant here.

BuckeyeInGa

July 12th, 2012
12:38 pm

Closing down the football program would hurt the football players who has nothing to do with the situation.

Jefferson

July 12th, 2012
12:41 pm

Ask yourself or others — Why would you want a president that keeps his money in foreign countries for reasons unknown, whether it is the avoid his US tax responsibilities, covering something wrong about it, or just don’t believe in America.

If he belives in his country and says it he should put his money where his mouth is.

This is the best the GOP can buy ? Or is it Romney has bought them ?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 12th, 2012
12:43 pm

In the meantime:

Pedophilia: “psychosexual disorder in which an adult’s arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children.

In the meantime:

“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
– Thomas Jefferson

Peadawg

July 12th, 2012
12:43 pm

“For those of you wanting to shut down the football program that’s not fair to those who had nothing to do with the situtation.”

How do you punish a program w/out punishing current players and staff who had nothing to do with it? Answer is you can’t. Deal with it. Look what happened at USC w/ the Reggie Bush mess. This is on a whole different level. Shut this despicable program down for a few years.

larry

July 12th, 2012
12:43 pm

close the school if it happened at a lower level institution…that’s certainly what that school board chief out in California did…fired ‘em all at that school…

even the ones that had nothing to do with , guilt by association.

@ Getalife…………….Actually it was 48 million just this last time. 24 million a week for both houses of Congress , two weeks to file and debate bills.

And then you multiply 48 by 33 , the times since Jan. 2011 this sherade has gone on and you get more than 1.1 billion dollars wasted by the House of Representatives.

godless heathen

July 12th, 2012
12:43 pm

Closing down the football program would hurt the football players who has nothing to do with the situation.

Life sucks sometimes.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

July 12th, 2012
12:44 pm

as an aside: the banker hits just keep on coming:

Revealed: JPMorgan Paid $190,000 Annually to Spouse of Bank’s Top Regulator
http://www.alternet.org/economy/156259/revealed:_jpmorgan_paid_$190,000_annually_to_spouse_of_bank’s_top_regulator

Aquagirl

July 12th, 2012
12:45 pm

AquaGirl please don’t say ‘jock-crush’

Oh, sorry guys for making you wince and cover. :)

Carlos @ 12:32, the jock-cr—er, jock-admiring boys I’m talking about are not chronologically boys any more. They’re 40 year old boys with beer bellies hanging out of their fanboi tee-shirts.

godless heathen

July 12th, 2012
12:45 pm

And then you multiply 48 by 33 , the times since Jan. 2011 this sherade has gone on and you get more than 1.1 billion dollars wasted by the House of Representatives.

Since when did libbies get all concerned about the cost of government?

stands for decibels

July 12th, 2012
12:47 pm

“Football combines the two worst things about America:
it is violence punctuated by committee meetings.”

–George Will (in a rare moment of lucidity)

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 12th, 2012
12:48 pm

Late to the dance but……

a) JoePa knew. And decided to do nothing. Football (and praise), meant more to him.

b) The school needs to be given harsh restrictions on their football program, (not the death penalty — but something dang close). They failed to protect children; they failed to even try to protect children from a seriously prolific predator.

c) I hope the every one of those kids that were affected SUES the school, Sandusky AND JoePa’s estae.

d) Would JoePa have allowed HIS grandchildren anywhere near Sandusky? The same standard he set for HIS grandchildren should’ve been set for others’.

TM

July 12th, 2012
12:49 pm

Larry when the President, Vice President, AD and head coach are involved in the cover up you shut down the program in additon to prosecuting those involved.

ty webb

July 12th, 2012
12:49 pm

this transcends “football” and “sports”.. .the leaders of an institution deemed it more important to protect the institution than the real victims…it’s done all the time by other institutions(the church, the family)…”football” and “sports” were merely the “vehicles” this particular pedophile used to gain access to his victims.

Don't Forget

July 12th, 2012
12:49 pm

For those of you wanting to shut down the football program that’s not fair to those who had nothing to do with the situtation.

The fact of the matter is that many people who had nothing to do with this will suffer. The only way to move on appropriately is to show contrition. It’s not an effort to punish the players or alums or anyone else that wasn’t involved. It should be done to show an appreciation of the seriousness of this and restore some perspective.

larry

July 12th, 2012
12:49 pm

Since when did libbies get all concerned about the cost of government?

Since they started passing bills just as a symbolic measure. They have known since Jan. 2011 that the bill would not pass. So why keep passing the same bill over and over…………

The definiton of insanity is…………….

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 12th, 2012
12:50 pm

hiya josef, Joe Mama and Paul!!

Sorry about the previous blog — got a call that went on for HOURS!! Friends shouldn’t allow friends to call them in the middle of the day to complain about their exes.

josef

July 12th, 2012
12:51 pm

LARRY

Yep. Do the investigation and those that were innocent are reinstated and the school re-opened. But get to the bottom of it first.

*******
AQUAGIRL

It’s that macho-butch thingie…most the time they don’t even realize they’re doing it, and even when they do, they go into denial…

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 12th, 2012
12:53 pm

In the south, we may be football crazy; but not even those lying, tree destroyer, arrogant BAMAs would’ve allowed what happened at PSU to happen there.

And they’re BAMAs……..they allowed people who can’t read to graduate from their “college”!!

Bernie

July 12th, 2012
12:53 pm

josef @ 12:28 pm – This story is OLD news! Jerry has been convicted and sentenced. we all know that PENN STATE did not do their fiduciary duty in the handling of this matter. its a local newsworthy topic if you are in PENNSYLVANIA!

The upcoming T-SPLOST vote is far too much of an important issue and concern that needs more discussion and unveiling for the citizens of the area METRO ATLANTA where Jay lives and works!

Are you Jay’s bucket carrier or what, is my question for you?

josef

July 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

DDR

My rule of thumb? If s/he’s an “ex” then can it and get on with the gettin on. If you still gotta talk about it, then s/he ain’t an ex and you oughta go take it up with him/her/it…

barking frog

July 12th, 2012
12:55 pm

Debbie Do
“And they’re BAMAs……..they
allowed people who can’t
read to graduate from their
“college”!!
………
and a man who wears
panty hose..

They BOTH suck

July 12th, 2012
12:56 pm

josef

Don’t be bringing up “it”……… That will lead to more “connections” and rabbit holes.

JamVet

July 12th, 2012
12:57 pm

This brings back all of those gut wrenching, terrible memories from last fall.

My heart goes out to all involved.

We are Penn State.

Shep

July 12th, 2012
12:57 pm

Yep another sign of out of control emphasis of sports vs. academics at our schools (high school and college). Its no wonder that Americans are getting dumber and dumber as the world races ahead.Get rid of these sports programs and put the money towards academics and education.

josef

July 12th, 2012
12:58 pm

BERNIE

No, I’m not Jay’s wateer carrier. He and I have crossed wires already on his NOT giving this the attention I thought it was due, The point here (and then) was not just Penn State/Sandusky as some isolated aberration. You just strike me as someone who wishes it would just go away…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 12th, 2012
12:58 pm

The upcoming T-SPLOST vote is far too much of an important issue and concern that needs more discussion and unveiling for the citizens of the area METRO ATLANTA where Jay lives and works!

Go to blogspot.com.
Create your own blog.
Choose the topics you want to discuss.

It really is just that simple.

stands for decibels

July 12th, 2012
12:59 pm

This story is OLD news!

Bernie, it’s the number one story on my news.google.com feed at the moment.

godless heathen

July 12th, 2012
12:59 pm

So why keep passing the same bill over and over…………

Keeps them from doing any real harm. If they weren’t doing this, they would be doing something else, so there is no extra cost.

josef

July 12th, 2012
12:59 pm

BOTH

Oooops…hadn’t thought of that… :-)

larry

July 12th, 2012
1:00 pm

Do the investigation and those that were innocent are reinstated and the school re-opened

Okay, that sounds reasonalble.

You can take scholarships away, maybe take 2 or 3 bowl appearances away. But if i am a player at Penn State, on scholarship , had nothing to do with the Sandusky situation, why should i be punished ? And please , dont say you can transfer. Transferring is not that easy.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 12th, 2012
1:00 pm

Closing down the football program would hurt the football players who has nothing to do with the situation.

They can always transfer to another school and they wouldn’t be penalize and have to sit out for a season. How do I know? Ever hear of SMU?

josef

July 12th, 2012
1:06 pm

IMAM

Before I forget…thanks for bringing this one up for discussion…

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 12th, 2012
1:10 pm

josef @ 12:54 – word! But what can you do? She’s a good friend, and I kinda feel sorry for her. I TOLD her not to let that good man go!! Good men are more rare than a good republican!

BF — you are a hoot!! I need to start hanging around you! You’d find something to laugh about even in a hurricane!

larry: You can take scholarships away, maybe take 2 or 3 bowl appearances away

So this football program has just allowed the most aggregious thing ever to happen inside of a program and your idea is just to slap them on the wrist an say, “BAd program. Bad. Bad.”?

What if one of them was YOUR child? Would still feel the same way?

Mr_B

July 12th, 2012
1:12 pm

No huge fan of any football team, except for my guys at the high school. Spent 6 years at UGA and only attended two games in that time. But closing down the Penn State football program doesn’t punish the guilty, only the bystanders.

And wishing anyone, even Sandusky, a jailhouse rape is beneath contempt.

larry

July 12th, 2012
1:12 pm

Ever hear of SMU?

Yes, in that situation , it involved coaches and players . If this situation involved a Penn State player or player(s) along with the coaching staff and administration, then yes, invoke the death penalty for five years or ten.

This was bad enough as it is.

Aquagirl

July 12th, 2012
1:14 pm

Closing down the football program would hurt the football players who has nothing to do with the situation.

Won’t somebody please think of the football players?!?!

Seriously, this comment illustrates a good portion of the problem. If you can stand the experience, check the sports blogs when an Isiah Crowell ruins his football career. There’s a lot of men who would give ANYTHING to be him and their pain at the idea of wasting such an opportunity is quite palpable.

So when you suggest shutting down Penn St. football there’s legions of men who immediately think of how horrible it would be if THEY had it all and lost their spot. It’s not like stable individuals, who usually sympathize with raped children over football players. Or even the coaches and other people who will lose their jobs. It’s the jock denied his glory days who immediately rushes to mind.

These kids (no matter what their age) are the exact reason Penn St. needs to shut down their football program. Too many fans have lost all sense of reason and emotional control. Cold turkey is the only cure.

the cat

July 12th, 2012
1:14 pm

Bernie-go away and get your own blog.

curious

July 12th, 2012
1:15 pm

I find it hard to believe ONLY 4 people were aware of this. No telling how many players knew, but you can’t hide this kind of stuff.

A person has to be pretty confident he isn’t going to be turned in when he does this almost in public.

the cat

July 12th, 2012
1:17 pm

We know Sandusky’s wife knew.

Bernie

July 12th, 2012
1:17 pm

josef @12:58 pm – I agree with you its truly a sad aberration, but if child abuse is really and truly a concern then lets discuss the increased child abuse that is going around within 50miles of us HERE!

The Penn state matter has all been closed except for the civil payouts by PENN STATE and others. This is discussion is akin to a mutual self gratification effort, if this is the most important thing that is found to be interesting in the news.

carlosgvv

July 12th, 2012
1:18 pm

Aquagirl – 12:45

“Chronological” is the key word here. Let’s not talk about their actual mental age.

Peadawg

July 12th, 2012
1:18 pm

“Closing down the football program would hurt the football players who has nothing to do with the situation.” – I see where your priorities are. Pathetic.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 12th, 2012
1:19 pm

It’s the jock denied his glory days who immediately rushes to mind.

This. ^^^^^^^^