The Curious Case of the Silent Watchdog
To borrow from the great Sherlock Holmes, it is the curious case of a watchdog that should have barked, but for some reason hasn’t.
As many of you know, on July 1 the process of renewing your Georgia driver’s license became much more complicated and time-consuming, requiring among other things an official copy of your birth certificate, an official Social Security card and, if you’re a married woman, a copy of your marriage license to justify use of your married name rather than your birth name.
Digging up all that material can be a real chore — personally, I haven’t seen my Social Security card in years if not decades. And once you’ve gathered it all, you then have to run the gauntlet at the overwhelmed Department of Driver Services, where waits of four or five hours have become common. People are getting angry about the situation, and for good reason.
But here’s the thing: The changes aren’t Georgia’s idea, and in fact have been forced upon the state by new federal regulations. So why haven’t we heard state elected officials blaming the feds for “shoving this change down Georgia’s throat”? Why aren’t they deflecting public anger over long lines by redirecting it at Washington, which in truth is causing the problem in the first place?
It would be so easy, even a liberal could do it. You mention the Tenth Amendment, states’ rights and federal overregulation, then close with the fact that dictating how states issue driver’s licenses is not a power enumerated by the Constitution. Voila! Instant poutrage!
As it turns out, however, Gov. Nathan Deal has a very good reason for staying silent on the matter. Back in 2005, when the federal legislation in question was being passed into law, then U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal co-sponsored the measure.
And Republicans in general are muting their usual complaints because the REAL ID bill was a GOP initiative, part of their effort to prove that no measure was too extreme or intrusive if it could be excused as a counter-terror measure. In the House, for example, Republicans voted 219-8 in favor of the requirement, while Democrats voted 42-152 against it.
In other words, as Holmes so wisely surmised, the dog doesn’t bark at its own master.
– Jay Bookman
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G Mare
July 11th, 2012
7:27 pm
Help me out here, music people. There was a song, probably some years ago, that said something about oblivion. Google was not my friend on this one.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 11th, 2012
7:27 pm
I most often provide the quote, but….
Gosh, so do I.
“Have another nutter butter peanut butter sandwich cookie”
– Thomas Jefferson
josef
July 11th, 2012
7:29 pm
getalife
“We have sugarcane farmers and we should make our own ethanol.”
Yep.
josef
July 11th, 2012
7:37 pm
GMARE
I’m drawing a blank…for some reason it seems to be somewhere in something reggae…
G Mare
July 11th, 2012
7:37 pm
That song might have been by Concrete Blonde….
janet
July 11th, 2012
7:39 pm
If you need all this documentation to get or renew a driver’s license what do you need to buy a gun?
That Black Guy
July 11th, 2012
7:42 pm
godless heathen
July 11th, 2012
4:05 pm
Joe: If I’d known this was likely to happen the last time I renewed my license, I’d have taken my DD-214 and gotten the Veterans’ Special renewal.
I don’t know how old you are but that may not save you. They have to get everyone in before a certain date, I think its 2020.
___________________________________________________________________________
True. This time last year my license were not due to expire until 2032, after I got my motorcyle endorsement last August, they now expire in 2019.
Hey TBS and the rest of the motley misfits
Been working so much that I haven’t had time to chime in lately (daymn Obama economy), but I did check out the heresy thread from last night. You guys were chain-free.
Aquagirl had me crying (seriously, actual tears) from laughing so hard.
Ninja
July 11th, 2012
7:46 pm
Well of course, conservatives don’t have a philosophy. All they have is short term, stupid self-interest with a bunch of rhetoric and scapegoats to cover it up.
getalife
July 11th, 2012
7:50 pm
I have been pimping sugarcane ethanol for years and coburn is auditioning for a lobbyist job.
Brazil?
What about America tommy?.
He is part of the unemployment problem.
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
7:50 pm
Duh !
Why would residents of a state that wants border control be upset about knowing who the state is issuing ID to ?
Come on Jay. You can do better.
I could suggest a compromise to your concern though, have the Feds enforce the immigration laws – meaning stop giving exceptions to high school kids, college grads, and everyone else that the dems think will vote for them and we can relax the Ga ID requirements.
Someone needs to know who is coming into the country, if the Feds wont do it the states will have to.
Either way the dems are not gonna just give away the very rights that Americans fought to retain in countless wars and conflicts.
Citizenship means something, its bigger than ensuring votes for the libs
janet
July 11th, 2012
7:53 pm
So if this is a federal mandate, will a US passport be sufficient?. It is issued by the US Passport office which is part of the federal government.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 11th, 2012
7:58 pm
janet…. http://www.dds.ga.gov/secureid/accepteddocs.aspx
Billybob
July 11th, 2012
8:01 pm
spelling aside the intellectually superior get my point…..ignore at your ilk’s own peril this november…..some people on this blog seem to have no other life than liberal leftist lies…..fun to see and watch this nov as your ideology is destroyed and proven failed logic by hussein himself…..enjoy, wasted enough time here today….take care political hack and hackees….
Rome if you want to
July 11th, 2012
8:02 pm
Well, if this is the case, I’m conservative and I’ll speak out against it….but out of curiosity, was this a stand alone bill, or was it attached to another bill?
Erwin's cat
July 11th, 2012
8:03 pm
janet, it depends on how ya read the rules….the dmv version online i read lacked the proper punctuation and syntax for me to discern …
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 11th, 2012
8:05 pm
I could suggest a compromise to your concern though, have the Feds enforce the immigration laws – meaning stop giving exceptions to high school kids, college grads, and everyone else that the dems think will vote for them and we can relax the Ga ID requirements.
I could suggest that you visit Sherman and Mr Peabody and convince them that you need their wayback machine and go back to the mid 80s and express your poutrage over St. Ronnie-of-the-RayGun’s 1986 amnesty.
I’m not buying your indignation, cause that ship sailed a long, long, long time ago.
Erwin's cat
July 11th, 2012
8:06 pm
janet and buying a gun in ga requires an ID, getting a CCW permit is pretty extensive in bg check…but no training required
jconservative
July 11th, 2012
8:07 pm
“If you need all this documentation to get or renew a driver’s license what do you need to buy a gun?”
Money. Just money!
Erwin's cat
July 11th, 2012
8:09 pm
I could suggest that you visit Sherman and Mr Peabody and convince them that you need their wayback machine
that used to be my favorite part of the “show”….go figure?
i haven’t thought about it in years if not decades
td
July 11th, 2012
8:09 pm
Buying a beer in Georgia requires a photo id.
Brosephus™ (B)
July 11th, 2012
8:09 pm
I could suggest a compromise to your concern though, have the Feds enforce the immigration laws – meaning stop giving exceptions to high school kids, college grads, and everyone else that the dems think will vote for them and we can relax the Ga ID requirements.
Don’t let something like facts get in the way of ideological ranting.
http://cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/border_patrol/usbp_statistics/
Statistics for Border Patrol apprehensions beginning as far back as 1925.
——————
Conditions on the border have changed dramatically since the last national strategy, putting pressure on the agency to adapt to a new landscape. An unprecedented hiring boom more than doubled the number of agents to 21,000 since 2004, accompanied by heavy spending on fencing, cameras, sensors and other gizmos.
At the same time, migration from Mexico has slowed significantly. Last year, the Border Patrol made 327,577 apprehensions on the Mexican border, down 80 percent from more than 1.6 million in 2000. It was the slowest year since 1971.
—————-
Today, Immigration and Customs Enforcement director John Morton announced that 396,906 people were deported during the 2011 fiscal year, the largest number in ICE’s history.
“These year-end totals indicate that we are making progress, with more convicted criminals, recent border crossers, egregious immigration law violators and immigration fugitives being removed from the country than ever before,” said Morton.
While the numbers are historic, they’re not dramatically larger than 2010 deportations, which were reported at “more than 392,000.”
As Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano alluded a few weeks ago, 55 percent of the deported immigrants — about 216,700 people — had criminal convictions (felonies or misdemeanors). Overall, the number of criminals deported has increased 89 percent since 2008.
—————-
And to think, some have the opinion that feds are not enforcing immigration laws, why don’t you try selling that to my colleague’s family.
A U.S. Border Patrol agent was killed in an ATV accident while on patrol near Fort Hancock early Friday evening, officials said Saturday.
Agent Leopoldo Cavazos Jr., 29, died in an ambulance on the way to an El Paso hospital, Border Patrol spokesman Doug Mosier said.
It sounds like a good talking point to say crap like that, but I can guarantee that people who put their lives on the line would beg to differ with the thought that we are not enforcing immigration law. I tell you what, I’ll agree to enforce more laws when you agree to pay more taxes to pay for the enforcement.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 11th, 2012
8:10 pm
Erwin’s cat
That’s the difference between Ga. and N.C.
CCW requires a one day class with qualified instructor.
But my state of residence is Ga., so I don’t know if I can take the class.
Brosephus™ (B)
July 11th, 2012
8:11 pm
was this a stand alone bill, or was it attached to another bill?
The House GOP attached it to the 2005 Supplimental appropriations bill that paid for Iraq/Afghanistan.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 11th, 2012
8:11 pm
After all the poutrage about Obama’s golf vacations… 89 hours to “repeal” Obamacare and the 1st order of business AFTER “repealing” yesterday,
JOBSGOLF!Can the conned be any more absurd….
Erwin's cat
July 11th, 2012
8:14 pm
Kam – take the class to be safe…besides, professional instruction is always a must IMHO with something with that kind of potential…required or not
You maybe able to get a GA CCW since your a resident and carry in NC….several states have reciprocity…just check the rules
Billybob
July 11th, 2012
8:18 pm
harry reid in the senate is not bringing any house bills to the floor of the senate for a vote……that is a fact and that is the democrats doing nothing they are elected to do…..libs who deny this are liars or either completely delusional and are no different than bookman…..wither way, the rest of the country including independents and moderate dems see this and have already jumped ship…..hope all libs here stay on board…..that is all
And?
July 11th, 2012
8:22 pm
It used to be your previous driver’s license was sufficient to renew. That’s no longer the case thanks to New Mexico’s generosity.
The state has attracted illegal operators because it does not require proof of U.S. Citizenship.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 11th, 2012
8:28 pm
cat
I haven’t decided if I even want a CCW, but I am really interested with any professional instruction I can get, for the purpose of being consistent.
My nephew as one and yes, reciprocity extends from Ga. to N.C.
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
8:32 pm
I don’t have to go back to anything Kam, I can cite Bros response, illegals are still coming in and you don’t see a need to secure the vote.
Seems that you and Bro sometimes get confused over immigration.
Arresting illegals does not mean the government is enforcing anything.
It would be like arguing that because the police arrest those with marijuana that the courts are throwing the book at them, when in fact we know they are not.
I am also sorry that for some unknown reason you fail see that there is a correlation to the fact that 93 % of the Hispanics favor Obamas immigration policies and the fact that 90% of Hispanics favor the democratic party.
Sorry guys you can say what you like it doesn’t change facts.
And if your argument is that it ain’t cool to be in favor of enforcing the law, well you are wrong in that also.
getalife
July 11th, 2012
8:33 pm
“The House GOP attached it to the 2005 Supplimental appropriations bill that paid for Iraq/Afghanistan.”
Figures.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 11th, 2012
8:35 pm
“secure the vote”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
which 7 votes are you talking about…. or are we talking about the Republican convicted in Indiana?
Erwin's cat
July 11th, 2012
8:35 pm
Kam – if I wasn’t stuck in the courthouse for jury duty, I’m not sure I’d have one either….i own, but since I’ve had the CCW I haven’t carried….not need. I figured it could come in handy….better to have it and not need it…but i hear the end is near
Z
July 11th, 2012
8:37 pm
Why doesn’t this surprise me. When I read of these new hoops you have to go through to get your license I thought to my self this sounds like some Republican politicians in Washington wanting to suppress the votes. These snakes in the grass Republican politicians, every time you turn your back they want to take a bite of you. Vote smart come election time, and do your research.
Brosephus™ (B)
July 11th, 2012
8:42 pm
Arresting illegals does not mean the government is enforcing anything.
Well damn, the next thing you’ll tell me is that water is dry. I guess you completely missed the part about RECORD deportations. I guess you completely ignore the fact that deportations have increased under Obama year after year. What about the fact that despite those increases, there are serious vacancies on the federal bench. I’m guessing you don’t realize that when the border patrol apprehends, or arrests, a border crosser, that person is not allowed to enter the US except for certain circumstances and they are deported.
Better yet, what do YOU consider enforcing immigration laws? Tell me what you think/see/feel/know is the golden plan.
Recon 0311 2533
July 11th, 2012
8:43 pm
So if this is a federal mandate, will a US passport be sufficient?. It is issued by the US Passport office which is part of the federal government.
Janet, it’s my understanding that a valid passport can be substituted for the birth certificate.
Brosephus™ (B)
July 11th, 2012
8:44 pm
Sorry guys you can say what you like it doesn’t change facts.
Whenever you begin to start citing actual facts regarding immigration, please let me know. You’re not talking to some “Joe the Plumber” here. I’d gather that I probably know more about immigration than most any other person on this blog.
getalife
July 11th, 2012
8:44 pm
Are you cons for regulations?
You seem to be flexible on your ideology of tax cuts and no regulations.
When did you change?
Recon 0311 2533
July 11th, 2012
8:46 pm
“Can the conned be any more absurd…”
Keep, yes but we keep getting outdone by the left.
getalife
July 11th, 2012
8:47 pm
“Can the conned be any more absurd…”
Four more months.
Don't Forget
July 11th, 2012
8:49 pm
I think the Mayans may have been right.
Think about it. I think the date is 12/21/12. That will be about 6 weeks after the election. If Obama wins that will be just enough time for the number of republican meltdowns to reach critical mass and start a chain reaction. And it might start right here on this blog.
getalife
July 11th, 2012
8:49 pm
When do we see willard’s papers del?
Is he a leader of a drug cartel?
What is he hiding?
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
8:51 pm
Bro,
Why dowe have to this over and over.
Again you may be an agent or whatever you do with the department but it doesn’t mean you know anything more than you are suppose to stop the crossing or entry.
You have no policy input and you have no control over what Obama decides to exempt from the law. Yes you may be kicking them out but you are only keeping those out that Obama tells you to.
Let’s get off the I am a border agent so I know everything kick. I told you that I respect what you do but you certainly cannot defend selective enforcement. And you cannot defend Obamas policies by citing who you threw back out.
Give me some stats on who you let in, to remain, via Obamas policies, then we can talk about Obamas immigration policy
Brosephus™ (B)
July 11th, 2012
8:52 pm
Hmmmmmmmm… No signs of immigration law being enforced around here.
In recent years, immigration attorneys say, concern about foreign gangs entering the U.S. has prompted Washington to delay or deny green cards, or legal permanent residency, to some applicants with tattoos.
The tattoo checks have ensnared scores of immigrants—mostly from Latin America—even though they have no criminal conviction. The denials are based on a section of immigration law that justifies “inadmissibility” on national-security grounds, including possible affiliation with criminal organizations.
In the fiscal year ended September 2006, the State Department refused immigrant visas to only two people it had “reason to believe” sought to “solely, principally or incidentally” engage in organized crime. In fiscal 2010, the latest year available, the number had jumped to 82 people.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tattoo-checks-trip-up-visas.html
Who knew that tattoos were being checked during the visa application process. Things that make you say, hmmmmmmmm…….
td
July 11th, 2012
8:52 pm
Don’t Forget
July 11th, 2012
8:49 pm
And what do you think will happen on this blog if Romney wins? Would we see the worlds best pity party, would it be the angry mob or maybe the excuse party of the world. I am sure there would be “its all because of the racist” crowd.
getalife
July 11th, 2012
8:54 pm
mama,
What makes you think you know anything about immigration policy?
getalife
July 11th, 2012
8:58 pm
td,
Who are you?
Who who who who.
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
8:59 pm
Tell u what getalife,
I will admiti know nothing when you show me that there are no people who are not citizens of this country, crossing the border without consent.
When you show me that I will also admit that there is no need for proper ID when you vote.
Deal ?
Brosephus™ (B)
July 11th, 2012
9:00 pm
Mama Says
First thing you should know is that Obama’s policy only helps those already here. If they leave and try to come back, they don’t get the benefit of Obama’s help. The reason we have to do this again and again is because I refuse to let people expouse stuff, regarding immigration, that has no part of reality whatsoever. I don’t know what most other people do here, but I take great pride in my job and the efforts that my colleagues and I put into it every day.
You claim that laws are not being enforced. I proved you wrong. Why not just claim that selective laws are not being enforced? That’s what’s got you peeved. Don’t make blanket statements because I will prove you wrong. I don’t defend Obama’s policies, and those policies have little to no bearing on my job. Your beef is with ICE.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/couple-stuck-mexico-over-immigration-problem/nPXhb/
If you have a problem, then phrase your dislikes here in that direction. I don’t defend politicians, but I will stand up for my fellow officers. It doesn’t matter if it’s you, Jay, or any other poster here. If you don’t like it, then don’t bring up immigration in a manner that disparages those on the street level.
Recon 0311 2533
July 11th, 2012
9:01 pm
“I’d gather that I probably know more about immigration than most any other person on this blog.”
As far as I’m concerned that could very well be true. My experience was having to hire H1B’s during the 90’s when that mess began. I was in the I.T. professional service business. I was exposed to the immigration process again with my wife’s immigration. We met professionally as she was hired and came here on an H1B visa. From my experience it’s an expensive broken system that’s been in need of fixing for far too long. I believe we need to fix our existing system before we start putting illegal aliens regardless of their circumstances ahead of those who’ve going through the system legally. To do otherwise would be extremely unfair to those who’ve been waiting. It shouldn’t be that difficult a problem to fix but the government continues to fail in doing so.
getalife
July 11th, 2012
9:01 pm
“I will admiti know nothing”
Thank you.
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
9:03 pm
Why by the way is it so bad to require proof of citizenship ?
We all know illegals are coming in. Guess what, the amount reflects the economies of the exit country as compared to our country.
When it isn’t as good here then fewer illegals come in.
How can you argue for the illegals if there are none
getalife
July 11th, 2012
9:05 pm
del,
Why didn’t you hire Americans?
barking frog
July 11th, 2012
9:07 pm
Brosephus
Do the new driver’s license
function to replace the
need for passports in
some insrances?
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
9:08 pm
Bro,
Here we are again,
Show me one time when I degraded the border officer. I didn’t.
As an officer you took offense to what your mind heard.
It’s not your fault or any others, who partake in the controls, it’s Obamas.
Your fine point request seems to be based on your own defensiveness. You know the entire immigration argument is about control. It in know way is made to defame the agents, it’s a critic of the policy, not you.
Brosephus™ (B)
July 11th, 2012
9:09 pm
Recon
I’ll refrain from saying what I really want to about H1B’s, but I’ll agree with you in that I think it’s a broken system in need of fixing or even outright dismantling. When you have free time, google Infosys and read up on the lawsuit against them in regards to H1B workers.
Recon 0311 2533
July 11th, 2012
9:13 pm
“Why didn’t you hire Americans?”
getalife,
I hired a lot of Americans. We had more projects than we had skilled people to put out on contracts, so we had to do off shore hiring. The dot com bust changed that but unfortunately it produced a condition where American kids aren’t pursuing the computer sciences like they used to.
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
9:13 pm
If I, a stupid redneck republican from the back woods know that illegal entry is taking place why do you guys act as if it isn’t ?
If it were not all these kids. Who are born in the country to illegals, would not be born in this country to illegals.
Why is this hardto understand.
It’s like not acknowledging you are gonna sink because its only water getting in the boat.
Brosephus™ (B)
July 11th, 2012
9:15 pm
frog
Some states have enhanced driver’s licenses that can be used to cross land borders in lieu of having a passport. The states currently issuing them are all along the Canadian border. If I remember correctly, part of the deal with the Real ID was to incorporate them as a form of border crossing ID for travel within the Western Hemisphere in close proximity to the US without having to carry a passport. As it stands now, if you live in the US and work in Canada, you need a passport or passport card to go back and forth, except for those who’s states issue the enhanced ID’s.
Mama
Show me one time where you degraded the politicians. That’s the point I’m trying to make with you. Words on a screen are nothing more than words on a screen. YOU might be talking about policy, but that’s not the case with everyone else. Contrary to what people think, when you blame “government”, that “government” isn’t limited to the elected people in DC unless you specifically say as such. I am just as much a part of the federal government as any elected person in DC.
I don’t sit in DC and write policy, but if I find a trend in immigration, you best believe I have the ability to write something up to address what I’ve observed that ends up becoming policy. And, yes, I am defensive because I’m tired of the broad brushed swipes, whether you think they are not is irrelevant to me.
They BOTH suck
July 11th, 2012
9:17 pm
“American kids aren’t pursuing the computer sciences like they used to”
Even though I have a business degree, we need more kids getting computer science and engineering degrees without a doubt.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 11th, 2012
9:20 pm
I don’t have to go back to anything Kam, I can cite Bros response, illegals are still coming in and you don’t see a need to secure the vote.
I mentioned nothing about the “need to secure the vote.” This is what’s known as a “strawman” argument. You’ve created a position that I did not take and you are tearing it down.
Seems that you and Bro sometimes get confused over immigration.
No, in my business I have worked side by side with IAs for the past 30 years and neither party said one single solitary word about this issue until about 4 years ago when conservatives started jumping up and down foaming at the mouth.
Arresting illegals does not mean the government is enforcing anything.
Again — “strawman” as I never said anything about arresting illegals, but I see that SoCo/Bro is pwning you about deportation.
It would be like arguing that because the police arrest those with marijuana that the courts are throwing the book at them, when in fact we know they are not.
You really suck at analogy.
I am also sorry that for some unknown reason you fail see that there is a correlation to the fact that 93 % of the Hispanics favor Obamas immigration policies and the fact that 90% of Hispanics favor the democratic party.
Another “strawman” argument as I haven’t said anything about voting tendencies. Did you perchance go to your local seed and feed store and buy multiple bales of straw?
Sorry guys you can say what you like it doesn’t change facts.
I have yet to see you display any “facts.”
And if your argument is that it ain’t cool to be in favor of enforcing the law, well you are wrong in that also.
Again — “strawman”
Why don’t you ask me what my argument is before responding to what you want me to say?
getalife
July 11th, 2012
9:20 pm
del,
You did it for cheaper labor.
Brosephus™ (B)
July 11th, 2012
9:22 pm
Y’all have fun. It’s check out time here.
Catch y’all later…
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
9:22 pm
Bro in one of our last arguments I pointed out that I too work in government. I don’t think of you as “government” per se because to me we follow the policies of our bosses.
The government is those who we elect, the policy makers. It’s not you and me, we are employees of the government.
And like you I too can write something up but we both know that goes as far as the leadership wants it to.
From this point on, never think that I am attacking you personally, I am not
G Mare
July 11th, 2012
9:23 pm
Peter, Paul,& Mary – Too Much of Nothin’. ” Say Hello to Valerie, Say Hello to Marion, Send them all My Salary on the Waters of OBLIVION.”
Oh, I am gratified when the old brain can dredge up what I think I remember. Yah for me!
stands for decibels
July 11th, 2012
9:24 pm
Looks like that wasn’t idle speculation I’d been indulging in when Jay had that Libor post up, and i was wondering how municipalities had gotten screwed.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/2012/07/11/gJQAN3V7dW_story.html
Dozens of states, cities and other government entities are exploring whether they lost money because of the alleged manipulation of a crucial benchmark used to set interest rates on hundreds of trillions of dollars worth of loans and investments.
Baltimore City is leading a federal lawsuit against the group of big banks that set Libor, the London interbank offered rate, accusing it of conspiring to suppress the benchmark. The banks named in the case include JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Barclays, CitiBank and Deutsche Bank.
In a lawsuit filed in federal court in Manhattan, Baltimore said the banks kept Libor artificially low during the financial crisis and its immediate aftermath, robbing the city of millions of dollars in returns on investments such as interest-rate swaps.
/drive-by
barking frog
July 11th, 2012
9:26 pm
Brosephus
Thanks.
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
9:28 pm
Kam,
You seem to have mastered the ability to argue without saying anything.
If I say something and you oppose it with your condescension then it is fair to assume that you think that what I said is wrong.
Instead of straw man comments show me how I am wrong.
Do the Hispanics approve of democrats at about the same rate that they approve of easier immigration ?
Are illegals entering the country ? Can they vote if IDis not shown ?
Defeat my statements, you love to sit back and snipe. Why don’t you make the points to the contrary.
I am waiting
josef
July 11th, 2012
9:28 pm
GMARE
That’s it…!!! I kept looking for the title “on the waters of oblivion…” And shame on me…one of my favorites of theirs…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Foxa40Exjk
Recon 0311 2533
July 11th, 2012
9:31 pm
“You did it for cheaper labor.”
getalife,
You don’t know what you’re talking about but that’s not untypical. It does mean that having any meaningful or cordial discussion with you isn’t a possibility.
barking frog
July 11th, 2012
9:32 pm
Mama says Kam the snide
sniper …new title?
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
9:34 pm
By the way Kam,
Just because u don’t get it doesn’t mean the analogy sucks.
If you were in law enforcement you would know that marijuana cases are generally treated with a pat on the wrist. Therefore the analogy to immigration enforcement is right on.
It’s one thing to have laws against something it is another thing all together to enforce the laws with actionable punishment.
getalife
July 11th, 2012
9:35 pm
del,
I worked in that field so I do know all those jobs are gone for cheaper labor. Fact.
“For the first time in fifty years, a cargo ship left Miami directly for Cuba Wednesday, carrying a load of humanitarian supplies, officials said.”
Can I finally get some Cuban cigars?
Recon 0311 2533
July 11th, 2012
9:36 pm
Good night y’all. Taps
josef
July 11th, 2012
9:36 pm
We all benefited from the wink-wink “policy.” “They” came and now they’re “us.” They’re not going to go away and hiding our anti Latino bigotries behind a lot of posturing ain’t gonna change a thing. Get used to it and realize that illegal immigration has been going on since 1492.
ragnar danneskjold
July 11th, 2012
9:36 pm
Speaking of silent watchdogs, two developments tonight on the “Eric Holder is a criminal” front:
(1) Denise Rich has renounced her American citizenship.
(2) Chairman Ann, in tomorrow’s column, explains – in language even a leftist can understand – why thinkers are distressed about “Fast and Furious.”
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
9:37 pm
Ever notice that those who hit people on lack of facts fail to provide any facts for their own arguments
getalife
July 11th, 2012
9:39 pm
rag,
There are no thinkers on the right.
Just talking point robots.
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
9:40 pm
josef,
That argument could apply to any law couldn’t it ?
I mean think of all the popular opposition to the various laws, draft dodging, marijuana, speeding, I mean what ever it is.
josef
July 11th, 2012
9:40 pm
And once again it looks like Alley Oop has taken his paper dolls and gone back to the spelunker closet…
getalife
July 11th, 2012
9:42 pm
I did enjoy Silicon Valley.
They know how to party.
They gave away cars to come to work.
Then they gave away American jobs like del.
I believe the cons should actually think country first instead of profits first.
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
9:43 pm
Getalife,
I know who I should go to when I seek a compromising lib.
You would never repeat a tag line for the left would you
josef
July 11th, 2012
9:43 pm
MAMA
I’m not arguing theory, I’m talking reality. What I think or you think matters very little in the reality of the mess we allowed to take place and now want to posture about right and wrong…
It really sounds an awful lot like the ship ‘em back to Africa mentality to me…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 11th, 2012
9:45 pm
You seem to have mastered the ability to argue without saying anything.
As you have virtually asserted nothing other than Hispanics will vote with the Democrats with nothing to back that up other your opinion, then there is really nothing to say
If I say something and you oppose it with your condescension then it is fair to assume that you think that what I said is wrong.
There you go with that assuming thing again
Instead of straw man comments show me how I am wrong.
Wrong about what? The voting tendencies of Hispanics? I’m not an authority on that and neither are you, but you are pulling “facts” out of your ass and presenting them as true.
Do the Hispanics approve of democrats at about the same rate that they approve of easier immigration ?
See above.
Are illegals entering the country ?
Probably, but I never asserted they weren’t. Again with the strawman. I may have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night and SoCo/Bro pwned you about deportation numbers which you continue to ignore.
Can they vote if IDis not shown ?
Curiously you seem to be skipping over the registration process.
Can you prove that illegals are currently registered to vote?
Defeat my statements, you love to sit back and snipe. Why don’t you make the points to the contrary.
You have offered up nothing to “defeat” except your opinions. It’s like trying to “defeat” a marshmallow.
I am waiting
Bully for you, but I will respond on my schedule and not yours.
barking frog
July 11th, 2012
9:47 pm
josef
The indians should offer
free passage to all non
indians to the country
of origin.
josef
July 11th, 2012
9:47 pm
It all reminds me of a bumper sticker making the rounds a while back
“If I’d have known it was going to turn out like this, I’d have picked my own d*mn cotton.”
getalife
July 11th, 2012
9:47 pm
mama,
I know the gop are a disaster waiting to happen.
Anybody but the gop and I am anticon.
You have done nothing good for the American people.
Those are my talking points.
Jack
July 11th, 2012
9:48 pm
Jesse Jackson Jr couldn’t get his license renewed.
josef
July 11th, 2012
9:48 pm
FROG
Unmentionable said, “free, hell, charge the going rate!”
josef
July 11th, 2012
9:50 pm
K’CHAK
“Curiously you seem to be skipping over the registration process.”
Picky, picky, picky…
barking frog
July 11th, 2012
9:52 pm
josef
a couple of free offers
requiring citizenship
surrenders would sure emphasize the ridiculousness of current
immigration policy.
josef
July 11th, 2012
9:56 pm
FROG
Amen.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 11th, 2012
9:58 pm
josef
It’s one of those devil/details thingies.
G Mare
July 11th, 2012
9:58 pm
Ah, Josef, thanks for the video & spelunker closet! Snarky, yes, but have to wonder how many of us here know what that word means. I could make a list, but do not want to risk the opprobrium. Not that some of them will know what that word means. Yeah, snarky, sorry.
Love to you & Un!
And to Jam & Kam. And to a few others here. Don’t want to list in case I might leave someone out. Just have to trust that y’all know who I mean.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 11th, 2012
10:01 pm
9) “I suspect that most people in Cincinnati would acknowledge that I’VE TRIED REAL HARD ………. ” (Democrat House for two years and Senate for four).
7) To the American people: “It’s absolutely not a tax increase !” http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/06/obama-campaign-its-a-penalty-not-a-tax-127721.html
6) To the American people: “Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this Presidency.”
5) To Larry King: “There has been a tendency by this administration to hide behind executive privilege.”
4) Speech to an Hispanic group: “With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case ………. ”
3) To the American people: “The private sector is doing just fine.”
2) Please pass to Vladimir: “After the election I’ll have more flexibility.” http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?feature=player_embedded&v=-Czo5Vf8KZs
1) To the American electorate: “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”
BINGO !!
josef
July 11th, 2012
10:03 pm
GMARE
That cro-magnon took a swipe at my “unnatural” kids one night when he was in his testosterone laced cups and I’ve had nothing good to say of his cheap self-imported self since.
bman
July 11th, 2012
10:05 pm
Snarky is a company that manufactures spark plugs ?
josef
July 11th, 2012
10:06 pm
K’CHAK
@ 9:58
Yep.
Mama Says
July 11th, 2012
10:07 pm
Way to go getalife, at least you know you are partisan, make no effort at all.
Kam,
I know you wish to act like you haven’t got a clue but the Hispanic reference to voters and immigration are well known polling that has been released by most of the major polling organizations.
You seem to totally forget that anyone can walk into a polling place on election day and ask for and get a provisional ballot. anyone !
Prior to the new voting laws there was no promise that any ballot would be confirmed.
I will tell you one more thing, of course it’s antidotal which means you will ignore it, but As a cop I see how easy it is to acquire another’s identity.
There was a certain auto establishment who kept giving loans to dead people. The loans would come to light when the estates were being settled and family members would find out they owed several thousand dollars on cars their mother never bought.
After about 7 months of investigation and GBI assistance we discovered that three people in Americas Georgia were going to local cemeteries and writing down the deceased name and DOB. They then had their plant inside one of the credit agencies provide SSNs. They then sold the identities to the dealership. When illegals or others with no credit or bad credit came in wanting a car the salesman just assigned oneof these ID s to the loan.
The illegal drove away with a new car and a SSN and the salesman got his commission.
Based on that the illegally obtained SSN he illegal was Able to register to vote, collect social security and work. All under the deceased name— dead people voting, you may have heard about it.
Either way it’s a problem regardless if you libs think it is or not.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 11th, 2012
10:07 pm
Callie Thorne is on the TeeVee and is imminently more attractive to me than this blog.
Toodles.
They BOTH suck
July 11th, 2012
10:08 pm
“cro-magnon”
hahahahahah…………. so true