House GOP stabbing ObamaCare voodoo doll one more time
It’s no surprise that House Republicans have gotten very good at this “repeal” thing, given the practice they’ve had at it. When they vote yet again today to kill ObamaCare, by some counts it will be the 31st time they have voted to repeal all or part of that much-reviled piece of legislation.
However, they’re not so good about keeping the second half of their 2010 campaign pledge, the part about “replacing” ObamaCare with a conservative alternative that accomplishes many of the same goals.
“Why is it so hard?” Matt Miller asks in a fine piece in today’s Washington Post. “Because Obamacare WAS the Republican alternative. It was the conservative-designed mandate and subsidy approach…. Only in America could a Democratic president pass Mitt Romney’s health plan and fund it partly through John McCain’s best idea from the last campaign (taxing some employer-provided plans) and be branded a ’socialist’.”
As I noted in the blog post earlier this morning, I’m always leery of pundits offering free advice on how a candidate should campaign, but I’ll make an exception in Miller’s case. He writes:
“Here’s what you should do, Mr. President. In the debates this fall, pull out a small laminated card you’ve had made as a prop for this purpose. Then remind Mitt Romney that the ranks of the uninsured today are equal to the combined populations of Oklahoma, Connecticut, Iowa, Mississippi, Kansas, Kentucky, Arkansas, Utah, Oregon, Nevada, New Mexico, West Virginia, Nebraska, Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire, Hawaii, Rhode Island, Montana, Delaware, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Vermont and Wyoming.
Read that list slowly, Mr. President. Then ask your opponent: “Would America turn its back on the citizens of these 25 states if everyone there lacked basic health coverage? That’s what we’ve been doing for decades. You knew it was right to act when you were governor of Massachusetts, Mitt. How can you pretend we don’t need to solve this for the nation? And how can you object with a straight face when your own pioneering plan was my model?”
The president should also say he’d be happy to talk reform once Republicans offer a rival plan that the CBO certifies will cover 30 million people, as the Affordable Care Act does.
Today’s Republican party won’t do it. They want the money for tax cuts for the top. They don’t care.”
Well put, Mr. Miller. Very well put.
– Jay Bookman
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Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
July 11th, 2012
11:49 am
Well, if it keeps the Republicans busy on something that doesn’t involve destroying women’s rights, that’s fine by me. Vote away!
Peadawg
July 11th, 2012
11:49 am
“Republicans are simply doing what the people want….”
I’m not sure what “people” you’re talking about but I’d rather them focus on jobs (like they promised) and not waste time on a symbolic vote.
ragnar danneskjold
July 11th, 2012
11:51 am
Surely even the leftists on this blog recognize that the massive new employer “fees” of ObamaCare are inhibiting job growth?
the cat
July 11th, 2012
11:52 am
The one question I would ask Mitt is-why do you want to be President? Has anyone asked him this point blank? If so, please provide a link.
larry
July 11th, 2012
11:52 am
Republicans, unlike Democrats know who always pays for things the government dreams up.
Ummmm, yeah, so when was the last time the taxpayers paid for something the Republcians dreamt up?
That the taxpayers paid for and not China ?
Peadawg
July 11th, 2012
11:54 am
“Republicans, unlike Democrats know who always pays for things the government dreams up.”
Who paid for Iraq and Medicare Part D?
Stevie Ray
July 11th, 2012
11:54 am
The other issue that speaks volumes is the timing of the healthcare bill….spending another trillion dollars at this point with the priorities of the economy and unemployment, stinks and is purely political….we can’t afford this now…
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
July 11th, 2012
11:54 am
“(1) Abolish FDA power to prohibit sale of a drug or device”
————————————————————
Sure, just let the biotechs skip the phase 1-3 trials and go straight to market. The additional $$ savings go directly to the bonus money paid to the CEO at the cost of a few lives.
Doggone/GA
July 11th, 2012
11:55 am
“Surely even the leftists on this blog recognize that the massive new employer “fees” of ObamaCare are inhibiting job growth?”
are you trying to say that even in the face of demand for their products and services businesses are refusing to hire people so they can effectively sell those goods and services…JUST because of the Obamacare fees? Sounds like a stupid way to run a business to me.
josef
July 11th, 2012
11:55 am
LARRY
“Ummmm, yeah, so when was the last time the taxpayers paid for something the Republcians dreamt up?”
Do the Gulf War, Iraq and Afghanistan ring a bell?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 11th, 2012
11:55 am
R. Danneskjold — “Note that my list of suggestions at 11:45 all constrain the power of government (except the “pre-existing provision clause”) and otherwise shift power to the individual, to control his own treatments.”
Except in cases where the individual in question is surnamed “Schiavo.”
Don’t even try, Rags. You’re perfectly okay with using the most coercive forms of state power to force unwanted medical decisions on people — even at the individual level.
You are the WORST kind of hypcrite when it comes to this issue.
Butch Cassidy
July 11th, 2012
11:55 am
Does anyone else see the irony here? Going into office, Obama focused on healthcare reform instead of jobs and was blasted by the GOP. Now, going into the 2012 election, instead of focusing on jobs, the GOP is focusing on healthcare reform.
Middle of the Road
July 11th, 2012
11:56 am
“… House Republicans are wise to keep reminding voters by once again voting for its repeal.” I don’t have any problem with the House Republicans campaigning on this issue as loudly and vehemently as they want. But I do object to wasting valuable time at the Capitol where they’re supposedly working for the American people and the states that elected them.
Stevie Ray
July 11th, 2012
11:57 am
What could speak more loudly about how ineffective our government machine is….one side is pre-occupied with abortion and gay marriage and the other side is pre-occupied with poorly timed spending bills and the like….we taxpayers are screwed..
Whats the plan for the economy? The long term pain of government spending will exceed any short term gain (disputable) by 200 fold..
Recon 0311 2533
July 11th, 2012
11:58 am
“Surely even the leftists on this blog recognize that the massive new employer “fees” of ObamaCare are inhibiting job growth?”
ragnar, Nah, you expect too much…even those who’re reasonably intelligent are so brainwashed that they refuse to recognize reality.
Mighty Righty
July 11th, 2012
11:59 am
Obamacare has already resulted in more than 40,000 pages of new regulations and thousands of new government workers to enforce those regulations. These new and additional costs will be added to the cost of your health care. Of course, you will pay those additional costs unless you are one of the moochers who will receieve “free health care” paid for by your neighbors, friends, relatives and future generations who will with their sweat continue to support your sorry a-s.
MiltonMan
July 11th, 2012
11:59 am
Romney’s health care plan in MA contained 20+ tax hikes???
That is new to me.
Libs gotta be loving this government takeover. I pretty sure the fine-tuned government will get this program low-cost & free of fraud just like Social Security, Medicad, Medicare, Food Stamps, etc., etc.
Brosephus™
July 11th, 2012
12:00 pm
(1) Abolish FDA power to prohibit sale of a drug or device; give FDA power to exempt a drug or device manufacturer from litigation for “approved” uses.
Seriously?!!??!!?? When the known side effects of an approved drug is worse than the problem it’s supposed to help, you’re talking about exempting them from litigation? If I did drugs, I’d ask for a double of whatever you’re taking.
josef
July 11th, 2012
12:00 pm
IMAM
BTW, you don’t “stab” a voodoo doll, your “prick” it. Stabbing defeats the purpose.
Welcome to the Occupation
July 11th, 2012
12:00 pm
“Republicans are simply doing what the people want”
No, it’s doing what it thinks people in the ramshackle cult of conservatism want, that’s all.
Rightwing Troll
July 11th, 2012
12:00 pm
“… House Republicans are wise to keep reminding voters by once again voting for its repeal.”
The terms “House Republicans” and “wise” don’t belong in the same sentence together.
Tundra Dude
July 11th, 2012
12:01 pm
Who paid for Iraq and Medicare Part D?
Six years ago, “it was standard practice not to pay for things,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. “We were concerned about it, because it certainly added to the deficit, no question.”
Stevie Ray
July 11th, 2012
12:01 pm
Trivialities of jobs shipped overseas by Bain or Stimulus are completely irrelevant to who has a real plan…Obama’s only way to feel tall based on his crap record, it to chop down his opponent to avoid debate on his performance relative to jobs, debt, deficit spending and a stimulus that was a complete waste of our cash…
Butch Cassidy
July 11th, 2012
12:01 pm
Mighty Righty – “These new and additional costs will be added to the cost of your health care.”
Could you please explain that to Aetna? I just recieved notification that my monthly premium is being reduced from $175.00 a month to $165.00 a month. I’m guessing they didn’t get your talking points memo regarding cost increase.
Bernie
July 11th, 2012
12:01 pm
The difference between Gov.Deal’s decision to speak openly about the Georgia’s Medicaid expansion and the opinions of other Republican Governor’s is the upcoming vote on the local T-SPLOST.
Surely, Gov. Deal’s support of denial of the Medicaid expansion program opinion prior to the vote would cause serious problems for Atlanta’s Mayor Reed and his supporters.
Do not expect any opinions to be voiced by this Governor until after July 31!
Then and only then will the HOOD be removed for all to see…….
Mayor Reed, we ask of you would you still support this T-SPLOST knowing that MANY THOUSANDS of Atlanta’s residents would be left without any Medical coverage like the many citizens of TEXAS are currently faced with based on the same denial by its Governor?
Joe Hussein Mama
July 11th, 2012
12:02 pm
Righty — “Obamacare has already resulted in more than 40,000 pages of new regulations and thousands of new government workers to enforce those regulations. These new and additional costs will be added to the cost of your health care. Of course, you will pay those additional costs unless you are one of the moochers who will receieve “free health care” paid for by your neighbors, friends, relatives and future generations who will with their sweat continue to support your sorry a-s.”
Speaking of same, has Bruno showed up since the ACA was upheld? I’d like to know if he’s going to actually buy a medical insurance policy or if he’s going to pay the penalty instead.
Rightwing Troll
July 11th, 2012
12:02 pm
“Libs gotta be loving this government takeover. I pretty sure the fine-tuned government will get this program low-cost & free of fraud just like Social Security, Medicad, Medicare, Food Stamps, etc., etc.”
Yep, and hopefully it will be as successful as “No Child Left behind”, “Abstinence Only”, Medicaide part D, and the hunt for WMD’s…
TGT
July 11th, 2012
12:02 pm
And the libs continue grasping at the outsourcing meme, while Obama has “out-outsourced the outsourcer!” Watch Andrea Mitchell stammer around.
F. Sinkwich
July 11th, 2012
12:02 pm
“Would America turn its back on the citizens of these 25 states if everyone there lacked basic health coverage? That’s what we’ve been doing for decades.”
I had no idea no one in 25 states had health coverage.
Wow.
Can this be true?
MiltonMan
July 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
“The terms “House Republicans” and “wise” don’t belong in the same sentence together.”
So Hank “Guam is going to tip over” Johnson is a wise democrat?
Aquagirl
July 11th, 2012
12:03 pm
Do the Gulf War, Iraq and Afghanistan ring a bell?
That would imply they were actually paid for, not added to a gigantic tab for our kids. Those twerps are future Demoncrats anyhow, so who cares?
St Simons
July 11th, 2012
12:04 pm
you can walk chin-first into a lot of freight trains when your
mind is unfettered by such thoughts as embarrassment.
Recon 0311 2533
July 11th, 2012
12:04 pm
The terms “House Republicans” and “wise” don’t belong in the same sentence together.
Now if you had said the Former House Speaker and wise don’t belong in the same sentence, we would be in total agreement.
josef
July 11th, 2012
12:05 pm
SINKWICH
English grammar is not your forte, is it…the auxiliary verb in the subjunctive form should be your key…
monty
July 11th, 2012
12:05 pm
If you like waiting in long lines and becoming a number instead of a person, you’re going to love Obama Care!
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
July 11th, 2012
12:05 pm
Rags 11:51 no way dude
MiltonMan
July 11th, 2012
12:06 pm
“Yep, and hopefully it will be as successful as “No Child Left behind”,”
The NCLB that none other than the democratic, alcoholic icon Teddy “I did not kill that woman” Kennedy supported? Sure.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 11th, 2012
12:06 pm
“If you like waiting in long lines and becoming a number instead of a person, you’re going to love Obama Care!”
through private insurance???
dude, SERIOUSLY!!!???
Brosephus™
July 11th, 2012
12:07 pm
Sink
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooked_on_Phonics
Seek help. Please…
josef
July 11th, 2012
12:07 pm
AQUAGIRL
Well, yeah, there is that…
BUTCH
You have an AETNA policy??? The cost went down…???
BROSEPHUS
Did you hear that…
getalife
July 11th, 2012
12:07 pm
Jay.
You are wrong and here is why……… is much better than just writing mindless lies.
Back up your bs cons.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
July 11th, 2012
12:07 pm
Josef
I don’t even write with punctuation
Grammar and punctuation are passé
ty webb
July 11th, 2012
12:08 pm
and it’s really funny how infrequently the condemnation of “congress wasting time” rears it’s head…we really need to get y’all some CSPAN up in here.
Brosephus™
July 11th, 2012
12:09 pm
Jay should just put a deflection chart to the right so posters could simply just say #2 instead of pulling the Ted Kennedy card or #9 instead of the Bush did it card.
Jefferson
July 11th, 2012
12:09 pm
Those voting to repeal are showing they are STUPID, it has ZERO chances of success. If you support STUPID, you too could be thought to be STUPID.
Brosephus™
July 11th, 2012
12:09 pm
josef
I saw that.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 11th, 2012
12:09 pm
M. Man — “The NCLB that none other than the democratic, alcoholic icon Teddy “I did not kill that woman” Kennedy supported? Sure.”
Yes! He joined another famous alcoholic in supporting it; maybe you’ve heard of him.
His name was President George W. Bush.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
July 11th, 2012
12:10 pm
“Back up your bs cons.”
See kyle’s blog
Even you can make that jump
Since you can’t seem to do your own research on the facts that refute jay’s lied
Brosephus™
July 11th, 2012
12:10 pm
ty
True. I try not to refer to them as jackasses, but when they continuously act as one….
Joe Hussein Mama
July 11th, 2012
12:11 pm
Brosephus — “Jay should just put a deflection chart to the right so posters could simply just say #2 instead of pulling the Ted Kennedy card or #9 instead of the Bush did it card.”
Blog Pokemon.
Moving the Goalposts! I Choose YOU!
josef
July 11th, 2012
12:11 pm
JM
getalife
July 11th, 2012
12:12 pm
jm,
kyle does not allow me to post there.
Donovan
July 11th, 2012
12:13 pm
Thank you very much for that inspiring reference from one of the nation’s left wing news rags. It sure does sound good to all your liberal readers, but why don’ t you ask the majority of this country what they think of Obamacare.
I shall go ahead and answer for the majority. THEY DON’T WANT OBAMACARE. That fact is in the books and you know it.
Go ask all the doctors in this country. THEY DON’T WANT OBAMACARE. That fact is in the books and you know it.
Once again, Bookman, this country is not in favor of giving socialized medicine to the 15 percent who don’t have insurance while holding the 85 percent hostage.
Mighty Righty
July 11th, 2012
12:13 pm
Aquagirl
Do the Gulf War, Iraq and Afghanistan ring a bell?
That would imply they were actually paid for, not added to a gigantic tab for our kids. Those twerps are future Demoncrats anyhow, so who cares?
Every penney was approved and appropriated by a Democrat controlled House and Senate. In fact Demcrats in the House have continued that support for three of the last four years in cooperation with the Democrat controlled Senate.
David Shivers
July 11th, 2012
12:13 pm
In the immortal words of Tonto, “Kemo Sabe, Republicans speak with forked tongue!”
St Simons
July 11th, 2012
12:15 pm
oh no he did-unt. My man Biden just said –
“Mitt wants you to show your papers”
“Well, as soon as you show us YOURS, buddy”
hahahahaha that’s right up there with – ‘noun/verb 9-11′
as Mitten’s ilk would say – “unleash the houuuunnnnds!”
getalife
July 11th, 2012
12:15 pm
donny,
It is called ACA and the majority does want it liar.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
July 11th, 2012
12:16 pm
Getalife
You don’t have to post to be able to read
Kyle has good rules
Jay likes the wild west – pro dereg he is when it comes to his own blog
ragnar danneskjold
July 11th, 2012
12:16 pm
Dear Joe @ 11:55, good morning, ignorance is not excuse for you. You obviously do not know the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist – suggest a dose of Robert Nozick as the cure. On the other hand, your cult of death is proof how far the left has fallen – morally – since the days of John Stuart Mill:
“The object of this Essay is to assert one very simple principle, as entitled to govern absolutely the dealings of society with the individual in the way of compulsion and control, whether the means used be physical force in the form of legal penalties, or the moral coercion of public opinion. That principle is, that the sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. ” On Liberty, 1859.
ty webb
July 11th, 2012
12:16 pm
“In the immortal words of Tonto,”
Please, can’t we leave Elizabeth Warren and other fictional Indians out of this?
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 11th, 2012
12:17 pm
“I shall go ahead and answer for the majority. THEY DON’T WANT OBAMACARE. That fact is in the books and you know it.
Go ask all the doctors in this country. THEY DON’T WANT OBAMACARE. That fact is in the books and you know it.”
BS –
when asked, people support all the individual elements of the healthcare act (extending insurance to kids, mandatory coverage regardless of existing conditions, etc) – they just have issues with Obama.
As far as doctors go, the AMA supports it – and even more than half of doctors surveyed support a single-payer system.
so, stick THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
Brosephus™
July 11th, 2012
12:17 pm
JHM
josef
July 11th, 2012
12:17 pm
He-ne-ha..
Do we let David Shivers slide on that one…?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
July 11th, 2012
12:18 pm
Josef
I think the smiley faces I get in work emails now are even more disturbing than the poor spelling, grammar, and punctuation
Wazzzzup?!
getalife
July 11th, 2012
12:18 pm
jm,
I don’t read rw spin unless I can call out their lies.
josef
July 11th, 2012
12:18 pm
ty
Don’t go there…you’ll just be showing your ignorance of Southern history,,,
Brosephus™
July 11th, 2012
12:18 pm
Thank you very much for that inspiring reference from one of the nation’s left wing news rags. It sure does sound good to all your liberal readers, but why don’ t you ask the majority of this country what they think of Obamacare.
You mean Mighty Righty was quoting a left wing news rag earlier?? I always thought he was a closet liberal, but I never had the proof until now…..
Butch Cassidy
July 11th, 2012
12:19 pm
josef – “You have an AETNA policy??? The cost went down…???”
LOL, it actually did. Although I attribute it to the fact that I never use it. Much like my car insurance goes down each year becuase I don’t run into trees on a regular basis. Apparently Mighty Righty lives in the ER, hence his aversion to having to pay for healthcare or the penalty for not having it.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
July 11th, 2012
12:19 pm
Democrats are obstructionist
Don't Tread
July 11th, 2012
12:19 pm
They need to stab that voodoo doll some more. It’s funny though, there’s a few Democrats voting for that measure too. Quick, get the angry mobs with pitchforks and torches…we can’t have that kind of dissent now, can we?
St Simons
July 11th, 2012
12:20 pm
yeah, josef, its pretty much lookin like Little Big Horn up in here anyway
heheh
ragnar danneskjold
July 11th, 2012
12:20 pm
Dear Bro @ 12:00, good afternoon, in the Ragnar scheme the FDA would not be obliged to grant exemption for anything, and no manufacturer would be required to seek the exemption. I would allow the free market to work, and to the extent that FDA offers any value in the world at all, it could lower overall healthcare costs by preventing unreasonable litigation. That would also have a ripple effect in the area of CYA procedures.
ty webb
July 11th, 2012
12:20 pm
josef,
I’ve never held back from showing my “ignorance” before.
getalife
July 11th, 2012
12:20 pm
Our President ran on health care change and won in 08.
That is the majority cons.
You lost and can’t get over it.
cons are horrible sore losers.
RB from Gwinnett
July 11th, 2012
12:20 pm
“…and once again, the House wastes tax-payer dollars floating something they know will not even be addressed in the Senate”
So, I assume you’re mad at the senate for not doing the will of the people as the house is doing??
I agree the R’s should be proposing an alternative. Not sure what is up with that.
stranger in a strange land
July 11th, 2012
12:20 pm
Ragnar – stop in from time to time either for entertainment value or when I’ve otherwise run out of reasons to beat my head against the wall. Not that it matters, but I enjoy your style and comments, but a bit curious if the logic of your arguments feels like you’re just talking to the wall?
Brosephus™
July 11th, 2012
12:21 pm
Kyle has good rules
Jay likes the wild west – pro dereg he is when it comes to his own blog
So, in AJC blogland, the conservatives are pushing regulations that limit the free speech of posters whereas the liberals are champions of less regulations impeding free speech. Wonders never cease.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
July 11th, 2012
12:21 pm
That reduction in the Aetna premium cold be directly related to the ACA. Part of which requires insurers to refund money to consumers through either direct payment or reduced premiums the following year. Georgia has over 243 thousand consumers due rebates totalling over 19 million dollars.
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/resources/reports/mlr-rebates06212012a.html
http://www.insurancenewsnet.com/article.aspx?id=345425&type=lifehealth
Joe Hussein Mama
July 11th, 2012
12:22 pm
Donovan — “I shall go ahead and answer for the majority. THEY DON’T WANT OBAMACARE. That fact is in the books and you know it.”
So sorry, Debunked earlier this morning.
http://www.ology.com/post/137138/new-poll-shows-leap-in-public-support-for-affordable-care-act
“Go ask all the doctors in this country. THEY DON’T WANT OBAMACARE. That fact is in the books and you know it.”
Even if true, it’s irrelevant. Doctors don’t get to make medical insurance decisions for all Americans just like Chevy and Ford don’t get to make car insurance decisions for all Americans.
“Once again, Bookman, this country is not in favor of giving socialized medicine to the 15 percent who don’t have insurance while holding the 85 percent hostage.”
I don’t recognize your authority to speak for anyone but yourself. But please, by all means, keep doing it. You’re one of the better entertainers on this blog!
ragnar danneskjold
July 11th, 2012
12:22 pm
Dear East Cobb @ 11:54, think you misread my suggestion. I realize you perceive value in keeping useful procedures and drugs off the market until blessed by a bureaucrat, but I think that is increasing deaths and costs in the industry. I merely propose using the potential value of FDA differently.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
July 11th, 2012
12:23 pm
Bro 12:21 bingo
Irony
Eric
July 11th, 2012
12:23 pm
The only way this new healthcare reform (regardless of which party implements it) will be successful is if doctor, hospital, insurance, and pharm. revenues are capped. Otherwise, everyone’s premiums will continue to skyrocket. Doesn’t anyone in D.C. ever address this?
Doomy on the drive by
July 11th, 2012
12:24 pm
The real reason behind Obamacare isn’t about healthcare since it essentially does nothing to improve healthcare or to lower its cost. The real reason is that its a way to tax a lot of people who aren’t paying taxes outside of FICA. As we approach near 50% of people not paying taxes the Obama administration figured out a way to tax those people not paying into the system- those freeloaders that Nancy Pelosi spoke of. Doomy don’t have a problem with the freeloaders “paying their fair share”.
josef
July 11th, 2012
12:24 pm
Jm
Jus’ hangin’ out and being culturally sensitive…
ragnar danneskjold
July 11th, 2012
12:24 pm
Dear stranger @ 12:20, ha, thanks. I write for my own pleasure, and my ego demands that I share. Our leftist friends find my arguments provocative, and usually unanswerable.
Butch Cassidy
July 11th, 2012
12:24 pm
Mighty Righty – “Every penney was approved and appropriated by a Democrat controlled House and Senate.”
You might want to check the calendar regarding the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Unless you believe that those invasions took place after 2006.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 11th, 2012
12:25 pm
R. Danneskjold — “Dear Joe @ 11:55, good morning, ignorance is not excuse for you.”
No need. You’ve already admitted your support for the government;s interference in the Schiavo case, and you applauded Congress and President Bush’s use of state power to FORCE an individual to make a medical decision contrary to his wishes and medical advice.
Everything else you offered in that post is specious, jejune and irrelevant to the point. When it comes to health care, you’re no libertarian. You’re a statist, and you’re a statist who has no problem forcing his judgment on others, regardless of their personal wishes.
You’re a hypocrite, Rags. Turn in your LP membership card and your subscription to Reason Magazine.
Brosephus™
July 11th, 2012
12:25 pm
ragnar
That bloviation @ 12:20 does not resemble, even in the most broad definiton possible, what you stated in regards to the FDA. I guess you’re ok with pain medication that may cause constipation, diarrhea, or bleeding from the eyes. Why not just cut the bs and say you just don’t give a crap about anything if it doesn’t affect you? That takes a lot less writing and is much easier to defend. I generally don’t respond to your posts as it would take a binge session of shrooms and everclear for me to agree with your stuff, but even that one was so far out that jm called BS on you.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
July 11th, 2012
12:26 pm
Bro
Blogland is like the the federation of states
Each had different rules
As it should be
But ironic that the president of bookman blogland is anti regulation in his state
And the con president of wingfield blogland is pro-reg
ragnar danneskjold
July 11th, 2012
12:27 pm
Dear Bro @ 12:18, I often write that I am the only liberal on this blog, as opposed to “leftist.” Of course, most leftists have no idea of the real meaning of “liberal.”
ragnar danneskjold
July 11th, 2012
12:29 pm
Dear Bro @ 12:25, we can agree that I think individuals should be able to elect their treatments without the permission of FDA bureaucrats.
RB from Gwinnett
July 11th, 2012
12:30 pm
Let’s just be honest. The only people who want obamacare are the uninsured who will get free health insurance and the liberals who want them to have it so they can feel compassionate without having to actually do anything for them with their own money.
Joe Hussein Mama
July 11th, 2012
12:31 pm
RB — “Let’s just be honest.”
And . . .
“The only people who want obamacare are the uninsured who will get free health insurance and the liberals who want them to have it so they can feel compassionate without having to actually do anything for them with their own money.”
One of these things is not like the other.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
July 11th, 2012
12:31 pm
I think the exchanges should be required to offer at least one version of what I call the “stay healthy stupid” plan
High deductible with saving account
Paid gym membership
Require 3 hours of exercise per week
4 annual checkups for blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar levels
Twice annual physicals
And 4 annual nutritionist meetings with dietary log
And presumably low premiums
Won’t ever happen tho
Too bad
Bernie
July 11th, 2012
12:31 pm
I have a question for the Republican party? How many times does it takes to BEAT A DEAD HORSE? to make sure its DEAD?
33 Times and the Horse still will not move.
A SANE person would move on!
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 11th, 2012
12:32 pm
“The only people who want obamacare are the uninsured who will get free health insurance and the liberals who want them to have it so they can feel compassionate without having to actually do anything for them with their own money.”
BS –
http://www.richardwarner.com/2012/07/02/obamacare-is-it-the-end-of-small-business-and-democracy-as-we-know-it-well-here%E2%80%99s-my-experience-as-an-entrepreneur/
ragnar danneskjold
July 11th, 2012
12:32 pm
Dear jm @ 12:05, apologies, did not mean to ignore your pithy analysis. Agree; my scheme, while useful and rational and cost effective, would never be approved by the overlords.
josef
July 11th, 2012
12:33 pm
ty
Me, too…
BUTCH
You better keep your eye on me and Brosephus…the price of that AETNA policy may go sky high,,,
St SIMON’S
Thought you might be interested in this. At one point the Cherokee used the term ha-l-ke-t to refer to white folks and was a positive. The origin of the word? The Scottish surname Hackett…it seems when he came calling, he left a positive image. “The term is now in disuse.” Wonder why?
ragnar danneskjold
July 11th, 2012
12:34 pm
Dear jm @ 12:31, also a good argument here. Why not? Other than the overlord compulsion to tell us all how we have to live our lives, your voluntary plan is great, and would be a desirable one for many.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
July 11th, 2012
12:34 pm
Blogland is overpopulated with dudes
Wonder why that is….