A celebration of heresy, conservative style

Let’s hear it for heretics.

Bob Inglis, a former Republican congressman from South Carolina, is one of them. He lost in a GOP primary in 2010 largely because he acknowledged that manmade climate change is real.

Bob Inglis

Bob Inglis

“For many conservatives, it became the marker that you had crossed to Satan’s side — that you had left God and gone to Satan’s side on climate change,” Inglis said after his defeat.

Today, Inglis announced creation of an “Energy and Enterprise Initiative” to promote conservative answers to climate change.

“Conservatives have the answer to our energy and climate challenge,” Inglis said. “It’s about correcting market distortions and setting the economics right. We need to stop retreating in denial and start stepping forward in the competition of ideas.”

(If only he could cite some evidence to back up his claims that climate change is real. You know, like the warmest June on record in the continental United States, or the warmest 12 months on record in the continental United States, or a notable increase in the number of strong storms, droughts and other phenomenon predicted by climate scientists.)

Today also saw the creation of a group calling itself “Young Conservatives for the Freedom to Marry,” formed to advance conservative arguments on behalf of gay marriage.

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen

“As Republicans we believe in equality of opportunity rather than outcome,” said U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, the first and so far only Republican to sign on as a co-sponsor of legislation repealing the Defense of Marriage Act. “Most importantly, we believe that the individual and the family are the central engines in our society. The right for individuals to lead their lives without government intrusion is a bedrock conservative principle and it is much more than just about sexual orientation. It is about the fundamental rights we all share as Americans. It is about equality for all with no exceptions.”

When Ros-Lehtinen first announced her support for that legislation, it was greeted with bitter attacks. The leader of the local chapter of the Christian Family Coalition, for example, called her “an arrogant, anti-family, homosexualist extremist,” warning that “we’re putting her and all other Republicans on notice that if they’re going to represent themselves as Republicans, they’ve got to respect the party platform.”

But to her credit, she hasn’t backed down.

Nor has Craig Stowell, one of the board members of Young Conservatives for the Freedom to Marry. A former Marine who served in Iraq, Stowell gave a stirring defense of gay marriage from a conservative perspective before the New Hampshire Legislature:

As Inglis, Ros-Lehtinen, Stowell and others demonstrate, being conservative does not require that you be on the wrong side of history. It also should not require you to ignore the factual realities that you see around you, or to pledge tribal loyalty to a set of beliefs that you do not entirely share.

But sometimes, bucking those demands for total loyalty require courage.

– Jay Bookman

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They BOTH suck

July 10th, 2012
3:18 pm

Heck Newt said he thought climate change was real before he said he didn’t believe

Maybe that sunk him as well

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

July 10th, 2012
3:20 pm

What makes the elephant charge his tusk in the misty mist or the dusky dusk?

What makes the muskrat guard his musk? Courage.

If elephants and muskrats can do it so can Republicans.

I applaud Inglis, Ros-Lehtinen and Stowell for their wisdom and courage.

stands for decibels

July 10th, 2012
3:21 pm

from http://energyandenterprise.com/

“Science is neither conservative nor liberal; it’s evidence-driven. Scientists, including those of us who are politically conservative, hope for an early end to the populist rejection of science and a return to evidence-driven scientific inquiry. Conservatives have a critical role to play in meeting the challenges posed by changing climate [...]”

Well, it’s a start.

Joseph

July 10th, 2012
3:22 pm

A celebration of heresy, far left liberal style:

Mitt Romney’s finance’s….

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 10th, 2012
3:23 pm

…“we’re putting her and all other Republicans on notice that if they’re going to represent themselves as Republicans, they’ve got to respect the party platform.”

Time for James Bopp Jr. to reiterate his purity pledge.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

July 10th, 2012
3:24 pm

JAY,

I love that womans position and hope she continues to stick it to other stone aged GOP’ers..

I’m still from Missouri on the man-made climate change hoax…but what about those energy jobs outsourced overseas by President Trillions stimulus? I guess the REP’s were last one’s to read public filings of those cronies of BO who got upwards of 20 billion…great theatre…wouldn’t you agree?

Aquagirl

July 10th, 2012
3:24 pm

As Inglis, Ros-Lehtinen, Stowell and others demonstrate, being conservative does not require that you be on the wrong side of history.

It really, really helps your credentials though. Fergit…hell no!

kayaker 71

July 10th, 2012
3:25 pm

So, “the warmest June on record” or the “warmest 12 months on record” are the direct result of man made global warming. Hogwash!!!!!!

josef

July 10th, 2012
3:25 pm

I’ve been saying all along that they’re there…they just aren’t getting the press they deserve. A tip of the chapeau to what are the compassionate conservatives…

Oh, and Jay, why is this an exercise (profile) in courage and what President Obama did isn’t,,,?

HDB

July 10th, 2012
3:25 pm

Back in history, Republicans were heretics….advocating equal rights for minorities — particularly African Americans! Maybe — just maybe — another Age of Enlightenment will hit the GOP…and the radicals from the Tea Party and the Christian Coalition will be shown the door!!

We CAN hope, can’t we???

Joseph

July 10th, 2012
3:26 pm

Repulsive behavior has no place in normal society… Sorry Jay but you and your ilk have been defeated by the folks at the ballot box every single time…. George Will put it best in slapping down a liberal on a Sunday talk show. Its freaking Summer! Get over it.. It’s supposed to be hot….

Joseph

July 10th, 2012
3:27 pm

Do any of you liberals honestly think there is a policy anyone could put forward to have an effect on the climate?

Paul

July 10th, 2012
3:28 pm

Jay

Sometime back you wrote about what it would take to right the Republican ship and get it moving on a practical course. Perhaps this is it. True, glaciers are moving faster than the ship, but movement it is.

Joseph

July 10th, 2012
3:28 pm

What are Oblama’s plans for so called global warming???

stands for decibels

July 10th, 2012
3:28 pm

Conservatives say that free enterprise, not government mandates, can deliver innovation. But we’ve been waiting since 1973 to be freed from foreign oil. Maybe that’s because all the costs aren’t “in” on petroleum — the national security risk, the costs of protecting the supply lines out of the Middle East, the cost of the pollution from tailpipes and the cost of tax subsidies for petroleum.

If those costs were paid at the pump and not out of sight, we’d be aware of our need, and America’s entrepreneurs would meet our need with new fuels.

But markets can’t respond when some fuels escape accountability. If the coal industry, for instance, were held accountable for all of coal’s costs — including health effects — we’d build emission-free nuclear power plants instead of coal-fired plants. Electricity rates would rise because we’d be paying all of coal’s cost at the meter, but health insurance premiums would fall.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 10th, 2012
3:28 pm

Cue the zoophilia posts in 3…2…1….

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

July 10th, 2012
3:29 pm

Josef,

What did President No-Leadership do that is so worthy of a badge of courage? Oh I know, he “ended the days of lobbyist controlling the agenda in DC…” oppps that’s not it..maybe it was courageously taking on insurance companies ….no thats not it (they will make billions and contribute their “fair share” back to your pal)…how about taking on telecom…oppps another strike…oh I know, he cut the deficit in half by end of first term….darn it, wrong again..can you help me plz?

Jay

July 10th, 2012
3:29 pm

Josef, because they’re bucking their party/movement and Obama had to be shamed into it by his party/movement.

Don Abernethy

July 10th, 2012
3:29 pm

If liberals are so smart why have they screwed up our country? What percent read the Bible? 1%?

They BOTH suck

July 10th, 2012
3:29 pm

“they just aren’t getting the press they deserve”

To a degree yes, however you discount that many are afraid to “come out of the closet” do to reprisal from Party officials and heavyweights.

Happens as well on the left. See the Newark mayor’s beat down after he spoke about venture capital

ty webb

July 10th, 2012
3:30 pm

I stand with the conservatives for gay marriage…not so much with the conservative “chicken littles of the manmade global-warmi-um-climate change” hoax.

Mr_B

July 10th, 2012
3:30 pm

I can remember a time when people like George Will and William F. Buckley demonstrated that it was possible to be conservative and intelligent at the same time.

I miss those times.

They BOTH suck

July 10th, 2012
3:30 pm

josef

With that said, I certainly applaud some sane voice over there.

Both parties need a lot more of them

josef

July 10th, 2012
3:30 pm

JOSEPH

“Repulsive behavior has no place in normal society…”

Really? I guess you must’ve snuk in by the back (closet) door, eh?

liberal hack

July 10th, 2012
3:31 pm

global warming, it may or may not be happening, I just don’t like the Democrat response to it, that is for sure. It will cause the lower middle class to mightily struggle to pay for fuel to get to work, to heat and cool their homes, cause prices for necessities to go up because moving them will be more expensive. I also don’t like this carbon trading thingy that was created to trade these credits, who’s going to make the money when these things are being trades, surely not the middle class……

on homosexual marraige, I don’t care who decides to marry who as long as these three things are in place,
1. saying homosexuality is a sin becomes a crime…..people should be entitled to their religious beliefs.
2. Don’t make pastors who don’t recognize homosexual marraige marry such individuals.
3. don’t make it against the law for me to teach my children that this lifestyle is not right in the eyes of God, based on religious beliefs.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 10th, 2012
3:31 pm

FACT: If the GOP doesn’t change, and I mean in the next 5 years; they will soon become a footnote in history.

Just like the Whigs.
Just like the Dixiecrats.
Just like the Federalist

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

July 10th, 2012
3:31 pm

Don,

So reading the bible is the key strategy to make things better? Perhaps I misunderstand you comment…

They BOTH suck

July 10th, 2012
3:32 pm

Joseph

At least you are out front with your weak #ss pathetic bigotry

Peadawg

July 10th, 2012
3:33 pm

“Cue the zoophilia posts in 3…2…1….” – We’ll just leave that up to you, sport.

It’s good to see Ros-Lehtinen standing up for what she believes and not backing down. Also, it’s good to see a Republican who isn’t a total loon.

Joseph

July 10th, 2012
3:33 pm

What are the democrat idea’s to combat “climate Change”…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

July 10th, 2012
3:34 pm

Wow DEBBIE,

I totally agree with you and can’t wait for the wake! Question is will this happen before of after the DEM’s change their tune? I see a monster economic hurricane on the horizon…what given the doubling of currency and the short term fixes that will geometrically worsten the long term….hate to be in office when that happens…

Brosephus™

July 10th, 2012
3:35 pm

If liberals are so smart why have they screwed up our country? What percent read the Bible? 1%?

Kamchak Corollary on post #19! :lol:

Peadawg

July 10th, 2012
3:35 pm

“Its freaking Summer! Get over it.. It’s supposed to be hot….”

Saved for when I’m still wearing shorts and a t-shirt on Thanksgiving.

They BOTH suck

July 10th, 2012
3:35 pm

Kam

If child molesters and bestiality isn’t brought up on this thread, it is because the “right” bloggers are not here……………. yet

Give it time. They will usually not let us down

Common Sense

July 10th, 2012
3:36 pm

Just what are the democrats planning to do about all those record solar flares?

Aquagirl

July 10th, 2012
3:37 pm

I don’t care who decides to marry who as long as these three things are in place

Too much time on fright-wing websites instills fear of some crazy $#!^.

Nobody will force you to marry your gay pet rock either.

Brosephus™

July 10th, 2012
3:37 pm

Mr_B @ 3:30

I second that.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

July 10th, 2012
3:38 pm

COMMON SENSE,

How about duck tape? Or has that idea already been considered?

JamVet

July 10th, 2012
3:38 pm

The right for individuals to lead their lives without government intrusion is a bedrock conservative principle and it is much more than just about sexual orientation.

And why the Republicans that we see on this forum, in Georgia and Dixie in general and across the USA are pitiful charades of bedrock conservative principles.

Often, they are the worst of our Christian lunatics. That are still living in a depraved past of segregation and homophobia.

And their ideology of intolerance, exclusivity and backwardness must be stamped out.

For all of my life I have watched and stamped out with great joy as we keep constantly bashing their hatred into the ground. The 1960s and 1970s were particularly enjoyable. As their KKK fueled politics came to a crashing end and women’s rights were brought to the fore.

Now we fight for our gay brothers and sisters against these louts and bullies.

And how ironic that exactly 87 years ago today, they got their real first taste of their upcoming many defeats, in a small courtroom in Dayton, Tennessee…

ByteMe - Political thug

July 10th, 2012
3:39 pm

Saved for when I’m still wearing shorts and a t-shirt on Thanksgiving.

I was doing that in February this year…

NOTE: weather is not climate. Weather is localized. What’s hot here maybe cold somewhere else.

Oh, wait, that’s not what’s been happening. The entire planet has been hotter than normal. Oops, that must be a lie because there was something wrong with the sensors. In my head. Yeah, that’s it.

ByteMe - Political thug

July 10th, 2012
3:40 pm

Nobody will force you to marry your gay pet rock either.

Do they still sell gay pet rocks?

josef

July 10th, 2012
3:40 pm

IMAM

Yeah, sure, whatever…I will posit that you simply are reciting a party line on that and not giving the man the credit for WHAT he said…he addressed precisely the issue you bring up and he did it with humility and the proper explanations for taking so long…evolution, navel contemplation, and the courage to stand and so, essentially, “…and I was wrong.” And what did he stand to gain? Nothing. What did he stand to lose? Unwavering support from key constituencies…

Paul

July 10th, 2012
3:41 pm

liberal hack

“on homosexual marraige, I don’t care who decides to marry who as long as these three things are in place,
1. saying homosexuality is a sin becomes a crime…..people should be entitled to their religious beliefs.
2. Don’t make pastors who don’t recognize homosexual marraige marry such individuals.
3. don’t make it against the law for me to teach my children that this lifestyle is not right in the eyes of God, based on religious beliefs.”

Then I suggest that religious organizations against gay marriage not just be against something, but actively work to effect a viable compromise, such as requiring all couples to become civilly joined by a gov’t official, which status confers all the rights and responsibilities that are now associated with marriage, and grant to religious institutions the right to perform marriages for whatever couples they want, after those couples have been legally joined by the state.

Else they run the risk of seeing their ‘marriage’ position overcome by events and possibly facing pressures they don’t want. That they could have avoided.

Mr_B

July 10th, 2012
3:41 pm

Joseph: Democratic plan to combat climate change:

1) Work with other nations to lower carbon emissions into the atmosphere by giving emitters an economic incentive to reduce;

2) increase the deployment of non-carbon based or carbon-neutral energy sources

3) reduce over-all energy consumption by conservation and waste-elimination, also freeing up economic resources for other purposes.

So what’s the GOP plan?

stands for decibels

July 10th, 2012
3:42 pm

“my” post @ 3.28 should’ve included a hyperlink to the source, here ’tis.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2011-09-25/global-climate-change-republicans/50546788/1

USMC

July 10th, 2012
3:42 pm

IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID! :-)

Bill Clinton: “The Era of Big-Government is Over”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv7MZr-JkEM

Not so, says Comrade Obama!

stands for decibels

July 10th, 2012
3:43 pm

So what’s the GOP plan?

I think they’re in favor of a single-prayer program.

kayaker 71

July 10th, 2012
3:43 pm

I don’t think that is the government’s business to say who we marry and who we don’t. I am sort of partial to the traditional definition of marriage, however, probably because of being old fashioned. My grandparents would have revolted at the thought of two members of the same sex having sex but that’s just who they were. That was their opinion and they have a right to it. I will say that the thought of having sexual relations with a male sort of revolts me to (sorry joseph) but if you want to pass up the finest piece of real estate that God ever created, that’s your business. I really don’t see how gay marriage could have a worse track record than straight marriage….. what is it now, about 50% successful? So, hell, go out and marry whomever you please…… just don’t invite me to the wedding.

ByteMe - Political thug

July 10th, 2012
3:44 pm

So what’s the GOP plan?

Blame someone else. Same as always.

USMC

July 10th, 2012
3:44 pm

“A celebration of heresy, conservative style”–JAY BOOKMAN

HOW IS THE ECONOMY DOING, JAY???

HOW ARE THE UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS???? JAY…

Joseph

July 10th, 2012
3:44 pm

I’m still waiting for the democrat idea’s for “climate change”. Marriage has been determined by the people in election after election so that’s a subject that has been settled..

getalife

July 10th, 2012
3:45 pm

cons exist to fight change.

Good luck with that on the gop platform.

Mr_B

July 10th, 2012
3:45 pm

“Just what are the democrats planning to do about all those record solar flares?”

Not a damn thing. We prefer to expend our energy on things that we CAN fix.

They BOTH suck

July 10th, 2012
3:45 pm

shhhhhhhhh

Don’t tell Doom, but Repubs loved fannie and freddie as well.

He thinks because they said a few things about them but did do a DAMN thing either that it is ok

http://news.muckety.com/2008/09/10/obama-and-mccain-both-have-ties-to-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/4941

USMC

July 10th, 2012
3:45 pm

“Blame someone else. Same as always.”

Hey it worked so well for Obama that he is still blaming George Bush for all of his problems. :-)

Steve

July 10th, 2012
3:45 pm

I have a degree in Atmospheric Sciences and I’m quite familiar with the climate change studies. To deny that we are in the midst of extreme warming is akin to denying evolution, or claiming that Jesus walked with the dinosaurs.

What is wrong with people that they stubbornly cling to CLEARLY WRONG political ideologies that they aren’t thinking straight? Climate change (warming and extremes in weather) is happening daily and is clearly documented by various scientific disciplines.

kayaker 71

July 10th, 2012
3:46 pm

JamVet, 3:38,

A little melodramatic today, are we not?

They BOTH suck

July 10th, 2012
3:46 pm

What did Newt do for Fannie or was that Freddie?

weetamoe

July 10th, 2012
3:46 pm

New York Times has been featuring write-ups about gay marriage celebrations on the Sunday pages for a number of years. My family taught us that submitting details about one’s wedding to be published in a newspaper is in the worst possible taste. Other than that, gender of the principals makes no difference. As for climate change, the late Dr Richard Feynman, whose books and lecture notes have a place of honor in my home, claimed that there is no such thing as settled science.. Lessons from one of our most brilliant sciences aside, who among the most vocal (or strident) member of the church of global warming has altered his way of living in any way to exemplify his ardent belief in the cause.

Adam

July 10th, 2012
3:46 pm

The GOP needs people like these. Bravo!

stands for decibels

July 10th, 2012
3:46 pm

…I kid because I love @ 3.43, of course.

Used to be the GOP supported cap and trade. Then when Democrats said “ok, I guess we could compromise and do that, instead of direct taxes on carbon and suchlike” the GOP didn’t support cap and trade.

Aside from a few heretics like the aforementioned Bob Inglis (who quite sensibly just wants people to pay for the actual *cost* of using filthy / climate-destroying fuels, from what I can suss), I guess the GOP plan is to hope that climate change is just a bunch of hooey. Or, more realistically, hope they can continue to get enough voters to believe that to be the case.

They BOTH suck

July 10th, 2012
3:47 pm

WASHINGTON– One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis’s firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae, the other big mortgage lender whose deteriorating finances helped precipitate the cascading problems on Wall Street, the people said.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

July 10th, 2012
3:48 pm

MR B,

If all those who think this round of climate change is man-made, then I submit that anything we can do to stave of doomsday is too little and too late….especially if China and India and Russia continue to look askance at the concept and/or the economic cost and efficacy issues…

ByteMe - Political thug

July 10th, 2012
3:48 pm

I have a degree in Atmospheric Sciences and I’m quite familiar with the climate change studies. To deny that we are in the midst of extreme warming is akin to denying evolution, or claiming that Jesus walked with the dinosaurs.

It’s so much more comforting to the afflicted to just believe a biologist or weatherman supporting their denial instead of a climatologist who actually knows what he’s talking about and wants to change their views.

Fred ™

July 10th, 2012
3:48 pm

Here we go into this mythical “the sky is falling” global warming is all caused buy man BS.

Yawn…………

They BOTH suck

July 10th, 2012
3:48 pm

yep, just a Democrat issue. Just ask ole Thulsa. Wasn’t government as a whole. Nope

26 MCCAIN ADVISORS & FUNDRAISERS LOBBIED FOR Fannie Mae Or Freddie Mac
11 OF THEM LOBBY RIGHT NOW
SIXTEEN FANNIE MAE LOBBYISTS (SIX CURRENTLY LOBBYING)
1. Wayne L Berman, National Finance Co-Chair*
2. Aquiles Suarez, Economic Advisor
3. John Green, Capitol Hill Liaison
4. Dan Crippen, Health Care Policy Adviser
5. AB Culvahouse, VP Selection
6. Kirk Blalock, Young Professionals for McCain National Chair*
7. Kate Hull, Young Professionals for McCain Fundraiser *
8. Aleix Jarvis, Bundler*
9. Kirsten Chadwick, Bundler*
10. Richard Hohlt, Bundler*
11. Tom Loeffler, Bundler, Former General Chairman, National Finance Chair
12. Nicholas Calio, Bundler
13. Alberto Cardenes, Bundler
14. Michael Kennedy, Bundler
15. Peter Madigan, Bundler
16. Alison McSlarrow, Bundler
*currently lobbying (as of 7/31/08, no termination filed)
10 FREDDIE MAC LOBBYISTS (FIVE CURRENTLY LOBBYING)
1. Charlie Black, Senior advisor, Bundler
2. Bill Timmons Sr., Senior advisor for transition*
3. Carlos Bonilla, Former Economic Advisor*
4. Mark Buse, Senate Chief of Staff
5. David Crane, Senior Policy Adviser
6. Al D’Amato, Bundler*
7. Melissa Edwards, Young Professionals for McCain Fundraiser*
8. Susan Molinari, Women for McCain Steering Committee*
9. Juleanna Glover Weiss, Bundler
10. Don Sundquist, Tennessee Co-Chair
*currently lobbying (as of 7/31/08, no termination filed)

getalife

July 10th, 2012
3:48 pm

Steve,

They need SS and Medicare but vote for a party that voted to end them.

I think you guys should study their brains like the NFL and concussions.

Something is not right.

They BOTH suck

July 10th, 2012
3:49 pm

wrong thread

My apologies

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 10th, 2012
3:49 pm

I personally think that we are way past the argument of whether or not global warming is man made. the argument should be what are we going to do about it. The globe has warmed one degree. As I understand it a mere 5 degree warm up would raise the sea level enough to make most of Florida and world coast lines disappear. As the warming continues, the rise in temperature will become exponentially more rapid.
What will we do for displaced citizens, the storm damage, the droughts, food shortages, etc.? What are the plans to lessen those impacts?

Please don’t tell be lower taxes and repeal Obamacare…Get real, because, no matter the cause, the earth is getting warmer and we need a plan.

Rightwing Troll

July 10th, 2012
3:49 pm

“If liberals are so smart why have they screwed up our country? What percent read the Bible? 1%?”

Compared to what’s been done to our country, politics and civility by those who allegedly DO read the bible?

No contest there… Lib ilks win out over knowledge, education, and freedom hating troglodytes every time…

Adam

July 10th, 2012
3:51 pm

Global Warming IS something that man plays a major role in accelerating. Man is the extra variable that adds to the greenhouses gasses that we KNOW cause warming.

http://climate.nasa.gov/

Steve

July 10th, 2012
3:51 pm

Well, since we’ve effectively dumbed down the voting populace, and the rich/elite now manipulates them to vote against their best interests, nothing surprises me anymore.

ByteMe - Political thug

July 10th, 2012
3:52 pm

then I submit that anything we can do to stave of doomsday is too little and too late

On the contrary: we produce something like 25% of the world’s pollution with less than 10% of its population. We can do better and own the technology that others will want or we can stick our heads in the sand while we get lapped by Europe and Asia.

Germany is already well on the path to lowering their countrywide carbon footprint and they’re doing it WITHOUT increasing reliance on fusion. And it’s going to save their companies money in the long run.

Rightwing Troll

July 10th, 2012
3:52 pm

“Get real, because, no matter the cause, the earth is getting warmer and we need a plan.”

Pffftttt.. next you’ll be telling us that we’ll run out of oil one day and we should have a plan for that too… you sissy tree hugger you…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

July 10th, 2012
3:52 pm

STEVE,

I don’t buy the evidence that it is man-made or if it is, what can really be done about it…seems on the surface silly to me that we occupy 6% of the planet but are facing doomsday because we emit some crap that an immature science suggests will be the end of us..

If all is as you and your doomsdayers suggest, how do we get China, Russia and India on board? Wouldn’t the lack of which render any economic solution moot?

TGT

July 10th, 2012
3:52 pm

A celebration of heresy, conservative liberal style:

The godfather of global warming lowers the boom on climate change hysteria:

Three months ago, James Lovelock, the godfather of global warming, gave a startling interview to msnbc.com in which he acknowledged he had been unduly “alarmist” about climate change.

The implications were extraordinary.

Lovelock is a world-renowned scientist and environmentalist whose Gaia theory — that the Earth operates as a single, living organism — has had a profound impact on the development of global warming theory.

Unlike many “environmentalists,” who have degrees in political science, Lovelock, until his recent retirement at age 92, was a much-honoured working scientist and academic.

His inventions have been used by NASA, among many other scientific organizations.

Lovelock’s invention of the electron capture detector in 1957 first enabled scientists to measure CFCs (chlorofluorocarbons) and other pollutants in the atmosphere, leading, in many ways, to the birth of the modern environmental movement.

Having observed that global temperatures since the turn of the millennium have not gone up in the way computer-based climate models predicted, Lovelock acknowledged, “the problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago.” Now, Lovelock has given a follow-up interview to the UK’s Guardian newspaper in which he delivers more bombshells sure to anger the global green movement, which for years worshipped his Gaia theory and apocalyptic predictions that billions would die from man-made climate change by the end of this century.

Jay

July 10th, 2012
3:52 pm

Solar flares, Common? Is that the latest in the long history of fall-back excuses for conservatives on this one? More solar activity explains global warming?

Very well. Let’s see you explain how these two well-established facts mesh with that theory:

1.) Solar activity for most of the past decade has been at historically low levels and has only now begun to pick up. See: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/14apr_thewatchedpot/

2.) Yet with solar activity very low, global temperatures for the past decade have been at record high levels.

Gee, how could that be?

It is truly sad, if instructive, to watch you guys time and again clutch at straws to try to avoid the truth, only to watch those straws crumble in your hands before you try it once again.

josef

July 10th, 2012
3:53 pm

kayaker

No need to apologize…how you diddle your dangles don’t exactly turn me on either… :-)

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Otherwise, gay rights AND climate change? So much choice in so little space… should be fun times on the old blog tonight…

Rightwing Troll

July 10th, 2012
3:54 pm

“seems on the surface silly to me that we occupy 6% of the planet but are facing doomsday because we emit some crap that an immature science suggests will be the end of us..”

How long does it take for the science to “mature”???

Steve

July 10th, 2012
3:54 pm

Stevie Ray – we have to start somewhere. What’s our choice? Accelerate this warming so quickly that we are plunged, too soon, into an ice age that will wipe out 2/3rds of the planet’s population? This is a possibility if we stay on this track.

Fred ™

July 10th, 2012
3:54 pm

Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it!

July 10th, 2012
3:49 pm

I personally think that we are way past the argument of whether or not global warming is man made. the argument should be what are we going to do about it.
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I guess the same thing the mammoth’s did when global cooling (the ice age) came.

And why would there be more water?

Mighty Righty

July 10th, 2012
3:54 pm

There are literally thousands of scientists and climatologists worlwide that do not believe man has any impact on the climate. This year, Alaska had the coldest winter in many many years in some cases setting records for amount of snow and cold. Europe is in the midst of one of the coldest wettest summers ever. It is so bad, the I.O.C. is very concerned about the summer Olympics later this month. Here in the 48, the Pacific Northwest has been experiencing one of its wettest coldest summers on record. True, much of the country including us in the South have had a hot summer breaking many records, some of which were set back in the twenties and thirties. Most scientists believe our weather problems are being caused by the second year in a row of “El Nino”. But the the truth doesn’t “forward” the lefts agenda of deflect,destroy and defy common sense in an attempt to paint all things Republican bad and all things marxist as good.

ByteMe - Political thug

July 10th, 2012
3:55 pm

I don’t buy the evidence

Love that love of science. It’s not the theory that’s wrong, it’s the “evidence”, which are the basic facts.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

July 10th, 2012
3:55 pm

IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID.

Yep.

My economy and people like me..our economy.

Not Mitt’s economy.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

WIDELY VISIBLE DIFFERENCE.

ByteMe - Political thug

July 10th, 2012
3:56 pm

It is truly sad, if instructive

Instructive only to those willing to learn. To those who can’t learn, it’s just the way things are.

Jay

July 10th, 2012
3:56 pm

If the 92-year-old Lovelock is now saying that he had been too alarmist about global warming, it’s because it’s true.

I mean, this is the guy who warned in 2006 that “before this century is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable.” So yeah, he’s a little out there, and everybody knew that a long time ago.

ty webb

July 10th, 2012
3:57 pm

?Accelerate this warming so quickly that we are plunged, too soon, into an ice age that will wipe out 2/3rds of the planet’s population? This is a possibility if we stay on this track.”

it’ll never happen…Jake Gyllenhal and Dennis Quaid will save us.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 10th, 2012
3:57 pm

RE: Gay Marriage.

I’m waiting for the day some brave souls finally take their petition all the way to the Supreme Court, who’ll HAVE to hear their case. Then we will finally get a chance to find out if party loyalty trumps the Constitution.

Can’t you just SEE Scalia foaming at the mouth!?!?

Whoever comes forward though, will face threats, ridicule, harrassment, etc. They’d probably have to hide their name like the did in the Roe v. Wade case.

ByteMe - Political thug

July 10th, 2012
3:57 pm

There are literally thousands of scientists and climatologists worlwide that do not believe man has any impact on the climate.

Actually, that’s false.

There are thousands of people who are not climatologists studying this who believe whatever they want without worrying about what the data says. Climatologists are pretty much settled on that global climate change is real and being driven by man-made activities that weren’t present 100 years ago.

JamVet

July 10th, 2012
3:58 pm

A little melodramatic today, are we not?

At times, I write in the style of my heroes, 71. Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Abram Lincoln and Frederick Douglass.

I leave the Republispeak and bumper stickerisms up to the less convincing and eloquent.

As for anthropogenic Climate Change, I say Congratulations to you Republicans.

There are now no credible scientific skeptics challenging the underlying scientific theory, or the broad projections, of climate change.

You and the North Koreans stand alone against the rest of a civilized world.

And lest we forget it was you who sided HEAVILY with the tobacco industry that smoking cigarettes was not harmful to human beings.

Man, you Heartland Institute guys are brilliant!

ty webb

July 10th, 2012
3:58 pm

“92-year-old…”

Agism! Agism!

TGT

July 10th, 2012
3:58 pm

More celebration of heresy, conservative style:

Artur Davis leaves the Democrats:

On the specifics, I have regularly criticized an agenda that would punish businesses and job creators with more taxes just as they are trying to thrive again. I have taken issue with an administration that has lapsed into a bloc by bloc appeal to group grievances when the country is already too fractured: frankly, the symbolism of Barack Obama winning has not given us the substance of a united country. You have also seen me write that faith institutions should not be compelled to violate their teachings because faith is a freedom, too. You’ve read that in my view, the law can’t continue to favor one race over another in offering hard-earned slots in colleges: America has changed, and we are now diverse enough that we don’t need to accommodate a racial spoils system. And you know from these pages that I still think the way we have gone about mending the flaws in our healthcare system is the wrong way—it goes further than we need and costs more than we can bear.

ByteMe - Political thug

July 10th, 2012
3:58 pm

Jake Gyllenhal and Dennis Quaid will save us.

I’d bet on Jake. Dennis might show up late.

Rightwing Troll

July 10th, 2012
3:59 pm

Unfortunately, these statements by James Lovelock are inconsistent with up-to-date climate data sets. These indicate:

the 1st decade of the 21st century includes unprecedented instrumentally measured peak temperature records, including a peak temperatures about ~2005-8 of up to 1.1 degrees Celsius above the 1950-1980 reference mean measured by NOAA, NASA and HadCRU, as compiled by the Berkeley Earth Surface Tempeature analysis group (see Figure 1). According to NOAA, mean temperature maxima between 1998 and 2010 have risen by ~0.17 degrees Celsius (0.014C/year), whereas mean temperature minima rose between 2000 and 2009 by ~0.2 degrees Celsius (0.022C/year) (see Figure 1)

Figure 2: Anthropogenic sulphur dioxide emissions 1850-2005 Atmos.Chem.Phys
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the mean temperature rise gradient between ~2000-2010 was somewhat shallower than the mean maxima during 1975-1998 (0.43C/year) which is accounted for by:
a sharp reduction in the emission of SO₂ from about 1974-5 to about ~2000, which decreased the direct and indirect aerosol shielding effect and cloud aerosol albedo shielding effect (see Figure 2). A renewed rise in SO₂ emissions from about 2000, largely from China, accounts for part of the relative cooling at that stage
the minima in the 11-years sun-spot cycle from about 2002 (see Figure 3)
the prevalence of La Niña conditions toward the end of the first decade of the 21st century (see Figures 4 and 5).

Figure 3: Sun spot numbers between 1950 and 2011. http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/images/Zurich_Color_Small.jpg
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It is a strawman argument to expect temperature trends to change smoothly, or to highlight periods when temperatures have risen at low rates or even declined, and at the same time overlook the mean decadal trend where measured temperatures have risen during the 20th – early 21st centuries by more than 1.0 degrees Celsius (see Figure 1).

A far greater rise is currently masked by sulphur aerosols of short (one to two years) atmospheric residence time, without which mean global temperatures would have risen above 2.0 degrees C since the early 20th century.

Figure 4: ENSO cycles between 1880-2011. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/soihtm1.shtml
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Given the above it remains a mystery as to the nature of the evidence or reasons underlying James Lovelock’s statements. It is particularly perplexing, since 20th century greenhouse and temperature rise rates are orders of magnitude higher than during any previous period, excepting intra-glacial Dansgaard-Oeschger cycles (see Table 1)

Popular notion on media and TV shows juxtapose a “belief” versus “scepticism” in climate change. Science, however, is not about “belief” but about measurements and empirical evidence consistent with the basic laws of nature. It is practising scientists who are the true sceptics – examining and re-examining their methods, data, observations and explanations numerous times, subsequently subjected to rigorous review procedures, prior to peer-review publications.

stands for decibels

July 10th, 2012
3:59 pm

There are literally thousands of scientists and climatologists worlwide that do not believe man has any impact on the climate.

Yee haw. our first Puhtishuhn Projekt reference!

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 10th, 2012
3:59 pm

USMC

July 10th, 2012
3:42 pm

I want to ask you something. When you joined the USMC you took an oath giving your loyalty to the Commander In Chief, as I did. I don’t believe I was ever relieved from that oath, nor do I think you were. So why call your President, your Commander In Chief, Comrade? As we were taught in our respective Services, you respected the “Uniform” if not the man. I find your disrespect of the President at odds with what you claim to be.
I despised George Bush as a man, but I never heaped disrespect on his office. Why can’t you do the same?

Erwin's cat

July 10th, 2012
3:59 pm

Let’s not confuse climate with the weather…yep, it’s been hot

poison pen

July 10th, 2012
4:00 pm

After 75 Climate Change stories in the last year or so, just what needs to be done Jay, in order to make it cooler.

I say invest in 145 new Solyndra companies, that will fix everything.

Guns kill people, so what should we do about it?
Cars kill people, so what should we do about it?
Wars kill people, so what should we do about it?

Problems are like Anal orifices everyone has one, but how to fix it is a different story

TGT

July 10th, 2012
4:01 pm

Excuse me: More celebration of heresy, conservative liberal style:

On the specifics, I have regularly criticized an agenda that would punish businesses and job creators with more taxes just as they are trying to thrive again. I have taken issue with an administration that has lapsed into a bloc by bloc appeal to group grievances when the country is already too fractured: frankly, the symbolism of Barack Obama winning has not given us the substance of a united country. You have also seen me write that faith institutions should not be compelled to violate their teachings because faith is a freedom, too. You’ve read that in my view, the law can’t continue to favor one race over another in offering hard-earned slots in colleges: America has changed, and we are now diverse enough that we don’t need to accommodate a racial spoils system. And you know from these pages that I still think the way we have gone about mending the flaws in our healthcare system is the wrong way—it goes further than we need and costs more than we can bear.

They're Not Republicans

July 10th, 2012
4:01 pm

They are Libertarians. It’s about time the freedom wing of the Republican party took over. Now THAT is a winning strategy for bringing in independents. The majority of Americans want smaller and non-intrusive government in all things.