A test of morality on a Florida beach

Why can’t you run a government like a business? Why is a corporation NOT a person?

To both questions, I would offer the same two-word answer: Tomas Lopez.

While the name may not be familiar, his story probably is. Last week, Lopez was fired from his $8.25-an-hour job as a beach lifeguard in Hallandale, Fla., because he left his guard station to help save a drowning swimmer in a nearby “unprotected” swimming area. (The rescued swimmer was later hospitalized in intensive care but is expected to make a full recovery.)

“We have liability issues and can’t go out of the protected area,” company supervisor Susan Ellis said in explaining the decision to fire Lopez. In addition, the company fired two of his fellow lifeguards who had said that they too would have rescued the struggling swimmer.

“They sat me down and told me that my answer will determine if I get to keep my job or not,” 20-year-old Travis Madrid told the Florida Sun-Sentinel. “When I told him I would do the same thing, they told me I was dismissed.”

From the employer’s narrow point of view, its actions are perfectly understandable. As we are often reminded,
a business has a single mission: produce profit for its shareholders. A corporation has no obligation to produce jobs, offer health insurance to its employees or provide other socially useful functions. In this specific case, the saving of a human life outside the boundaries of its protected area had no value to Jeff Ellis and Associates and could only bring negative consequences in the form of potential lawsuits. So the company was within its rights to fire the employee who had put it in that situation.

Viewed from the perspective of a human being, however, the situation looks much different. If Lopez had honored company policy, remained at his post and watched a drowning man die, it might have eaten at his conscience for the rest of his life. “It was the moral thing to do,” Lopez said later. “I would never pick a job over my morals.”

The situation also looks different when viewed from the perspective of government rather than business. Government’s essential purpose is to serve people, even the hapless swimmer who chose to venture beyond the protected swimming area. The mayor of Hallandale, Joy Cooper, said she was horrified by the actions of the company, which has had a contract to provide lifeguards to the town’s beaches since 2003.

“I know people across the country are as outraged as I am,” Cooper said. “This doesn’t reflect our culture. We are a small, caring community.” Cooper and others have promised a review of the decision to privatize its lifeguard services, noting that the city’s contract with Jeff Ellis and Associates ends this year. The incident has provided a reminder that while privatization has its uses, the highest goal of a private corporation is not the performance of public services but the provision of profits.

Toward that end, Jeff Ellis and Associates has belatedly recognized that its business interests might be threatened by its own bottom-line fixation. Last week, the company announced that it had offered to rehire Lopez and other lifeguards who had either been fired or left the company voluntarily in the wake of the incident.

Lopez has declined the offer.

Corporations or businesses are not by any means inherently evil; to the contrary, they provide absolutely essential functions in a capitalist economy, and many are run in ways that attempt to mimic good citizenship. They are, however, inherently limited in their perspective and purpose. They are single-purpose human inventions, that purpose being to produce profit, and as Tomas Lopez reminds us, profit is not the highest and best goal of the human spirit.

– Jay Bookman

641 comments Add your comment

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 9th, 2012
9:27 am

Of course, the conned mentality is “let them die”. Profits over humanity.

Welcome to the Occupation

July 9th, 2012
9:29 am

Corporations or businesses are not by any means inherently evil; to the contrary, they provide absolutely essential functions in a capitalist economy

Hmm, maybe the real problem is in this ‘capitalist economy’ itself. For, as you say yourself, the companies are just being good capitalists. So perhaps the problem is in the notion of capitalism — profit motive above all — itself.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

July 9th, 2012
9:29 am

profit is not the highest and best goal of the human spirit.

blasphemy!!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 9th, 2012
9:29 am

profit is not the highest and best goal of the human spirit

Oh Jay, you are failing to worship the “profit” god….. oh you socialist. :lol:

Brosephus™

July 9th, 2012
9:34 am

Corporations or businesses are not by any means inherently evil; to the contrary, they provide absolutely essential functions in a capitalist economy, and many are run in ways that attempt to mimic good citizenship. They are, however, inherently limited in their perspective and purpose. They are single-purpose human inventions, that purpose being to produce profit, and as Tomas Lopez reminds us, profit is not the highest and best goal of the human spirit.

In short, corporations are not people. People have a soul and/or conscience. Corporations are more like a shark in that they are there to reproduce and produce profits just as a shark is there to reproduce and eat.

Midori

July 9th, 2012
9:35 am

a real live death panel.

who knew?

ty webb

July 9th, 2012
9:35 am

so in the end, the company righted the wrong…oh, and their policy seems a lot like the same ridiculous “zero tolerance” rules within certain segments of government…This only proves that stupidity can be found in both public and private entities.

middle of the road

July 9th, 2012
9:37 am

It appears this company shot itself in the foot. The goal of a company is to deliver a product the the public wants at a price that will be attractive and also generate sufficient profit. Unfortunately, the “product” here was defective, and I would not “buy” from that company again.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 9th, 2012
9:37 am

Corporate morality versus spiritual morality and corporate morality wins…hell people, Heaven’s doors have been closed…

Butch Cassidy

July 9th, 2012
9:38 am

I hope someone has explained to MItt that unlike a corporate environment, you can’t arbitrarily fire the people that aren’t “stepping in line” with your vision. Also, I wonder if he’s aware that the U.S. Government wasn’t set up as a “for profit” enterprise.

Intown

July 9th, 2012
9:38 am

It’s a good thing the City of Sandy Springs, GA doesn’t have a beach. They would’ve fired this lifeguard company for SAVING the guy outside the scope of the contract!

Adam

July 9th, 2012
9:38 am

Oh Jay, don’t you know that morality only matters when we’re talking about a fetus?

middle of the road

July 9th, 2012
9:39 am

“so in the end, the company righted the wrong”

They didn’t “right” anything. They still (I am sure) believe their actions were proper (same as the fire department in Tennessee that let the man’s house burn down because he had not paid for their services). They only offered the jobs back because they realize they made a HUGE PR blunder, and it will likely cost them their contract with the city.

TM

July 9th, 2012
9:39 am

Wasn’t it the government who made the decision not to have life guards in the area where this happened? And what would the results have been if someone needed help in the protected area paid for by tax payers while this life guard was off his post? I know we can’t let people die but it appears someone in the government made the decision not to have life guards in that area long before the corporation began it’s work.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 9th, 2012
9:40 am

This is what happens when corporate rules and regulations are too strictly adhered to; common sense and humanity get shoved in the trunk and taken for a ride out to the boonies where men with no necks wait to ‘give them a lesson.’

Adam

July 9th, 2012
9:40 am

CNN, a conservative media outlet that hosted the Tea Party/GOP debate in September last year, gave us this gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yva0VSN1_T4

Jerome Horwitz

July 9th, 2012
9:41 am

Appears Ellis and Ass. was more worried about lawsuits than lives. Fortunatey Mr. Lopez wasn’t. Truly a good man.

JohnnyReb

July 9th, 2012
9:41 am

And I suppose all of those taking this opportunity to belittle capitalism think such stupid decisions/policies would not be present under socialism?

You may be correct; they would likely just take you out back and shoot you for opening disaging with them.

Mr_B

July 9th, 2012
9:41 am

” that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ”

Don’t see a right to profit at the expense of others.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

July 9th, 2012
9:41 am

“Last week, the company announced that it had offered to rehire Lopez and other lifeguards who had either been fired or left the company voluntarily in the wake of the incident.”

KUDOS to the men and women who stood strong with Lopez and the other lifeguards.

stands for decibels

July 9th, 2012
9:42 am

Jay, if you didn’t have these job-killing liability concerns, this never would’ve been a problem.

It’s the government’s fault that the company has to care about liability so there, neener neener neener.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 9th, 2012
9:42 am

TM — “I know we can’t let people die but it appears someone in the government made the decision not to have life guards in that area long before the corporation began it’s work.”

Saying ‘we’re not going to put lifeguards in that area’ is a completely different statement than ‘if you see someone drowning outside your area, let them die.’

ty webb

July 9th, 2012
9:42 am

and here’s a hypothetical…suppose that the lifegaurd leaves his post, at the same time someone in his area starts to drown…he’s not there to save them…the city is sued…does the city then have the right to sue the company they contracted to protect that certain area? which saved life is more valuable to the city?

Joe Hussein Mama

July 9th, 2012
9:43 am

JohnnyReb — “You may be correct; they would likely just take you out back and shoot you for opening disaging with them.”

Suggest you review both “socialism” and “totalitarianism” today when you find yourself with a spare moment.

PJ

July 9th, 2012
9:44 am

If he had been the CEO instead of a mere employee he would have gotten a multi-million dollar severance package and allowed to keep any bonuses.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

July 9th, 2012
9:44 am

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

July 9th, 2012
9:44 am

Well, you can’t make a profit if your people are going to do work for other people. I mean, if a lifeguard is going to rescue a person just because they’re drowning or something and it ain’t the lifeguard’s job to rescue that person, then pretty soon everybody’s going to want to mootch on your lifeguard instead of hiring their own. So I say fire them if they even look at you cross-eyed. If we done that to all the people we give welfare to, pretty soon there wouldn’t be anybody that needs welfare. You know, it’s a jungle out there and the devil take the hindmost. If you’re in the mood to take a dip then pay to use the beach where the people hire a lifeguard or else just stay dirty and hot.

Besides, it was a Republican beach, wasn’t it? Or at least it should of been.

So pay up, you moochers. Swim where somebody can make a profit off of you. Or just drown and let the world be rid of your useless welfare-gulping trash. That sounds kinda harsh, but when you think about it, it’s really the Private Innerprize Christian way to be.

Have a good Monday everybody.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 9th, 2012
9:44 am

T. Webb — “and here’s a hypothetical…suppose that the lifegaurd leaves his post, at the same time someone in his area starts to drown…he’s not there to save them…the city is sued…does the city then have the right to sue the company they contracted to protect that certain area? which saved life is more valuable to the city?”

That’s a good point, but it’s not what happened and it’s not why the lifeguard was fired.

Cosby

July 9th, 2012
9:45 am

Jay, you totally miised the entore point of the Company. Had something happened in the area they were being paid to protect some jackass Lawyer would have had a field Day. This is a perfect example of how Society has sunk to new low’s. This had nothing to do about profit, only about avoiding a law suit. and then you wonder why The Government and the Bar will not allow for looser or better yet..looser Lawyers pay…The company was dictated to by government and Lawyers and Society and has nothing to do with profits..Damn, how naive can you be!!!!!!

Jay

July 9th, 2012
9:46 am

FYI, both the company and Mr. Lopez say that his post was covered by other lifeguards while he left to deal with the struggling swimmer.

Jimmy62

July 9th, 2012
9:47 am

Not every company makes good decisions. The thing is, you can change companies if you don’t like it. I imagine the beach would find a different lifeguard company if this one doesn’t make right.

However, when government is in charge and makes the mistakes, you can’t switch. You’re stuck with incumbent politicians and layers of bureaucracy.

TM made the best point. The government chose not to have a lifeguard of their own on the other part of the beach. The company made a bad decision in firing the kid, but if the government had it’s way, the swimmer woulda been dead.

Fly-On-The-Wall

July 9th, 2012
9:47 am

I think Welcome is on the right path to the answer. The conservative view of what Capitalism (with a capital C) has changed as they have moved further and further to the right. Now we have corporations being granted personhood but without the full responsibilities of being a real person. Our view of capitalism needs to be rethought, adjusted, changed to put corporations back where they should be.

Brosephus™

July 9th, 2012
9:47 am

And I suppose all of those taking this opportunity to belittle capitalism think such stupid decisions/policies would not be present under socialism?

Well, if conservative principles were used, the swimmer would have had to take responsibility for saving himself without the aid of the government-funded contract.

:roll:

Mr_B

July 9th, 2012
9:47 am

“Wasn’t it the government who made the decision not to have life guards in the area where this happened?”

I would hazard a guess that this is a result of a local government deciding to “privatize” what had at one time been a public responsibility. Because private enterprise always does things much better, and somebody get to make a buck.

Doggone/GA

July 9th, 2012
9:47 am

“This is a perfect example of how Society has sunk to new low’s”

I would say that YOUR comments are a much better example of how low SOME have sunk, than anything to do with the situation.

Sarah Gee

July 9th, 2012
9:47 am

Since 2008, the US has followed Barack Obama’s plan of class warfare, cash for clunkers, cash for caulkers, more regulation, more rules, less freedom, shovel ready stimulus, five trillion dollars in increased debt.
Now I know that Jay would like to find a way to justify Obamas far left failure but it’s increasingly hard to do. The truth is that after two decades of rising living standards, robust growth and declining unemployement, the Obama era is exactly what one would expect from his left wing agenda: Economic stangnation and rising class conflict.
Voting for Obama in 2008 was an undersandable mistake. Doing it again would be unforgiveable.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

July 9th, 2012
9:48 am

“profit is not the highest and best goal of the human spirit”

Debatable. Pursuit of profit has improved billions of lives.

This is just a dumb company.

Brad Steel

July 9th, 2012
9:49 am

If Florida, the lowest-standard state for behavior and civic decorum, had enough good samaritans to produce a good samaritan law, the life guard company would be doing time – just like the people on Seinfield.

We all remember what happened when they sat around and watched that fat guy get robbed. They all suffered public humiliation, the cornerstone of American justice, and were locked up a toilet less co-ed cell.

Bob Loblaw

July 9th, 2012
9:49 am

I would sue the company and the city on this young man’s behalf. I would also sue them on behalf of the saved person for negligent business practices that would prevent their rescue in violation of “Good Samaritan” statutes! This is no time for double talk! You need Bob Loblaw!

PJ

July 9th, 2012
9:50 am

Jay @9:46 am

Boom!

barking frog

July 9th, 2012
9:50 am

why no lifeguards in the
area where the man was
drowning? but the company
people were stupid for the
firing. instances of allowing
houses to burn by fire
fighters is just as stupid but
swimming at unprotected
beaches and not paying for
fire protection has stupid
involved also.

Stevie Ray

July 9th, 2012
9:50 am

JAY,

The municipality is as much at fault here for entering a contract that incented this particular business to act immorally. Comparing this to an average corporation is not what I’d call a fair analysis….Municipalities are a microcosm of governmental idiotcy which pervades all levels….Much of the problem in this particular instance is the municipality putting the welfare of its citizens subordinate to those of it’s contractor….sound familiar….

TGT

July 9th, 2012
9:51 am

Government’s essential purpose is to serve people…

Ah, but that is NOT the purpose of (a godless) big government. The purpose of such a govt. is to purchase votes through innumerable handouts to as many of the masses as possible so as to keep a liberal ruling class in power.

And we’re supposed to believe that the party responsible for enabling the slaughter of tens-of-millions of Americans in the womb is there to “serve” us???!!!

No wonder liberals are so unhappy.

As if we needed science to tell us this, but nevertheless, it looks like it has:

It appears that, along with being more generous than liberals, conservatives are happier than liberals, with those right wing extremists the happiest of all!!!

From Arthur C. Brooks in the New York Times, “Scholars on both the left and right have studied this question extensively, and have reached a consensus that it is conservatives who possess the happiness edge. Many data sets show this. For example, the Pew Research Center in 2006 reported that conservative Republicans were 68 percent more likely than liberal Democrats to say they were “very happy” about their lives. This pattern has persisted for decades. The question isn’t whether this is true, but why.

“Many conservatives favor an explanation focusing on lifestyle differences, such as marriage and faith. They note that most conservatives are married; most liberals are not. (The percentages are 53 percent to 33 percent, according to my calculations using data from the 2004 General Social Survey, and almost none of the gap is due to the fact that liberals tend to be younger than conservatives.) Marriage and happiness go together. If two people are demographically the same but one is married and the other is not, the married person will be 18 percentage points more likely to say he or she is very happy than the unmarried person.

“The story on religion is much the same. According to the Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey, conservatives who practice a faith outnumber religious liberals in America nearly four to one. And the link to happiness? You guessed it. Religious participants are nearly twice as likely to say they are very happy about their lives as are secularists (43 percent to 23 percent). The differences don’t depend on education, race, sex or age; the happiness difference exists even when you account for income.

“Whether religion and marriage should make people happy is a question you have to answer for yourself. But consider this: Fifty-two percent of married, religious, politically conservative people (with kids) are very happy — versus only 14 percent of single, secular, liberal people without kids.

Jay

July 9th, 2012
9:53 am

Well, if conservative principles were used, the swimmer would have had to take responsibility for saving himself without the aid of the government-funded contract.

Brosephus, the swimmer was a free-rider, expecting society to come to his aid even though he chose to swim in an unprotected area.

And to those arguing that government is at fault for not protecting ALL of the beach: Really?

Are you ready to foot the bill for paying for that? Is that consistent with your presumed support for small, limited government? Or are you just shifting principles here in a cynical effort to blame gov’t for all errors and likewise absolve the company involved?

TGT

July 9th, 2012
9:53 am

Oh, I forgot the title: A test of morality on a Florida beach

That’s RICH!!! As if we need morality lessons from the party of the godless!!!

kayaker 71

July 9th, 2012
9:53 am

It’s not enough that those evil corporations provide us with the latest in things to make ladies look better, give us the latest in cell phone and I Phone communication, provide the cooled air we breathe, supply us automobiles and gasoline to travel and endless other improvements in our daily way of life….. now they have to be beneficial, caring, compassionate, “feeling” and numerous other liberal euphemisms to make us all “in touch with ourselves”. Like Bill Gates once said, “Find yourself on your own dime”.
Bookman, your comparison of an evil, non-caring corporation to some Florida city council that hires life guards is a bit of a stretch. I am sure that most all 70.000 of those employed by the Koch brothers providing them with a good salary, health care, 401K plans and good working conditions would probably agree.

Brosephus™

July 9th, 2012
9:54 am

Pursuit of profit has improved billions of lives.

Yep. Improved some right out of their existence….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill

Pursuit of profits CAN improve lives. However, when pursuit of profits come at the expense of safety, that’s not always the case.

ty webb

July 9th, 2012
9:55 am

in light of Jay’s 9:46, then the company acted stupidly. Despite “fixing” it(the reason for fixing it not relevant at all), they should probably be worried that their contract will not be extended when it lapses…A good opportunity for other lifeguard companies.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

July 9th, 2012
9:55 am

Who told that swimmer they were allowed to drown in the first place?

td

July 9th, 2012
9:55 am

Adam

July 9th, 2012
9:40 am

CNN, a conservative media outlet that hosted the Tea Party/GOP debate in September last year, gave us this gem:

The Clinton News Network is conservative? Now that is the funniest thing I have heard in about a month. If CNN was conservative then their ratings would not be at a all time low. The ratings are now down there with MSNBC.

Brosephus™

July 9th, 2012
9:56 am

Jay

You got me there…. :razz:

Or are you just shifting principles here in a cynical effort to blame gov’t for all errors and likewise absolve the company involved?

We have a winning answer!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peadawg

July 9th, 2012
9:57 am

Good for the lifeguard but the swimmer was pretty stoopid for going outside the protected area and (assuming their were signs) ignoring the warning signs that were posted.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

July 9th, 2012
9:57 am

Got a notice this week. Obamacare has changed our healthcare plans making them more expensive and a less incentives to save for healthcare.

Obamacare sux so far

Stevie Ray

July 9th, 2012
9:57 am

TGT,

I doubt this opinion is fair and balanced….why you posted this missive on an earlier blog and current as well suggests you are typical evangelistic religious righty…why are you so insecure in your beliefs so to post this crap which is completely unrelated to topic at hand…purpose? why not a one line biblical verse instead???

ragnar danneskjold

July 9th, 2012
9:58 am

Governments enact mindless rules for their employees, discouraging either innovation or original thought. Private companies thrive by filling unmet needs.

RB from Gwinnett

July 9th, 2012
9:59 am

Every last damn one of you liberals would have ruled against the company is somebody had drowned in that guards zone while he was off saving somebody in an area he should not have been in. All of you. And that’s exactly why companies make sections and have policies like they do.

Just another example of liberals wanting to have it both ways.

Brosephus™

July 9th, 2012
10:00 am

Ah, but that is NOT the purpose of (a godless) big government. The purpose of such a govt. is to purchase votes through innumerable handouts to as many of the masses as possible so as to keep a liberal ruling class in power.

Sometimes, y’all sound like the Scooby Doo kids always blaming “Red Herring” for everything. Instead of continuously projecting what you think people want/desire, why not simply ask them and then base your rebuttal based on what they actually want/desire? Are you afraid that you can’t debate fact, therefore causing you to continually construct a straw universe to throw your napalm?

——————————

kayaker

Did you see the link I left for you downstairs? I figured you’d get a kick out of it.

http://bostinno.com/2012/07/08/unbelievable-photo-of-a-great-white-shark-following-a-kayaker-on-cape-cod-photo/

Stevie Ray

July 9th, 2012
10:01 am

JAY,

The fact that the municipality entered into a contract that put it’s citizens at risk of drowning is fact enough…may be a shocker but sometimes swimmers can wonder into dangerous areas thru no fault of their own…heck, they may be one of your additonal protected classes and not be able to read english…I’m sure signs were posted to avoid this area….

TGT

July 9th, 2012
10:01 am

Touched a nerve did I Stevie? And yes, it is perfectly relevant in these fresh sheets.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 9th, 2012
10:01 am

Jm — “Got a notice this week. Obamacare has changed our healthcare plans making them more expensive and a less incentives to save for healthcare.”

I’d question whether that notice was truthful or not. Several health insurance companies have already been busted out over claims that the ACA forced them to increase premiums — BEFORE any of the ACA’s provisions had even taken effect.

If you could provide some additional detail for us, I’d be interested in hearing it.

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

July 9th, 2012
10:01 am

Had that been Penn State, they would have preferred to handle it “internally”.

Brosephus™

July 9th, 2012
10:02 am

RB

And your post is yet another example of conservative projection. You don’t know what anybody would have done in that case. I bet there’s some conservative billionaire somewhere just grinning ear to ear looking at his profits from selling strawmen.

:roll:

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

July 9th, 2012
10:02 am

Obamacare has changed our healthcare plans

Want some cheese with that whine?

Joe Hussein Mama

July 9th, 2012
10:03 am

RB — “Every last damn one of you liberals would have ruled against the company is somebody had drowned in that guards zone while he was off saving somebody in an area he should not have been in.”

Microsoft Windows for Telepaths has encountered a General Program Fault

“All of you.”

Since when did you become spokesman for the Godless Librul Uhmurka-Hatin Committee? Your name wasn’t in the last newsletter, Cowboy.

“And that’s exactly why companies make sections and have policies like they do. Just another example of liberals wanting to have it both ways.”

I love it when conservatives make stuff up and then try to shove it in people’s mouths and proclaim victory. (laughing) :D

godless heathen

July 9th, 2012
10:04 am

If he had been a government employed lifeguard he wouldn’t have saved the swimmer if it was break time. (just kidding)

kayaker 71

July 9th, 2012
10:04 am

Bookman assumes that it is the government’s job to provide for it’s citizens. It is the government’s job to provide an atmosphere , surroundings and incentives that allow the citizens to provide for themselves. The government’s main job is to protect it’s citizenry…. a job that they have failed to do miserably with ignoring our immigration laws. It is not the government’s job to supply endless welfare payments and other ridiculous and endless entitlements invented by liberals to gain votes. The role of government is well defined in the Constitution. Liberals have just stretched definition a bit…… much like Bookman has.

Jefferson

July 9th, 2012
10:05 am

A businessman is the world WORSE choice for President of the US.

barking frog

July 9th, 2012
10:06 am

Most corporations are
limited by insurance
company requirements
without which they cannot
exist due to government
requirements.

TM

July 9th, 2012
10:07 am

“And to those arguing that government is at fault for not protecting ALL of the beach: Really?

Are you ready to foot the bill for paying for that? Is that consistent with your presumed support for small, limited government? Or are you just shifting principles here in a cynical effort to blame gov’t for all errors and likewise absolve the company involved?”

Jay the entire city of Hallandale Beach is like 4.5 square miles and the beach front is less than a mile. They make a ton of money off people using their beach

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

July 9th, 2012
10:07 am

“Obamacare has changed our healthcare plans”
————————————

According to Gov Jindal, I think you mean ObomneyCare. But no, that is the excuse the for profit insurance corporations use to jack up the rates so they can pay a larger bonus to V & C level executives.

jd

July 9th, 2012
10:08 am

Clearly, the swimmer broker organizational rules for failing to perform as expected. The swimmer has been sent a memo requesting they appear for the quarterly review with a plan to correct such behavior.

St Simons

July 9th, 2012
10:09 am

thank you, I assure you for everybody living in beach/tourist
communities, THIS is the story of the year. We ALL heard about it
the same day.

And mother ocean keeps screeeeaming the lesson –
We’re All in This Together
I been tellin’ you, mon. Come to de island.
You will learn these lessons, too. They are inescapable.

Aaaand for $5 zillion, Jeff Ellis is a ________
you already know the answer, don’t you?

Stevie Ray

July 9th, 2012
10:09 am

JOE,

If you doubt this crap bill will result in increased costs and more reduced access, ask an actuary…

The only winners are DEMS, those entitled or otherwise enabled, hospital operators and insurers whose interests are the most prevalent…

Wait until the currently insured “middle class” (please offer definition as I’m done guessing) get a load of the increase in deductibles, and 40% plus increases in their contrubutions to finance the losses of those in the “pools”, the pre-existing condition ( which if favor but is not insurance) and other mandates of this bill…

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

July 9th, 2012
10:09 am

The government’s main job is to protect it’s citizenry…. a job that they have failed to do miserably with ignoring our immigration laws

illegal immigrants a re now a threat?

Maybe it’s just me but I fear the fundamentalist christians much much much more than I fear people who are ACTIVELY looking to find work to provide for their families.

kayaker 71

July 9th, 2012
10:09 am

Bro, 10:00,

I am not sure which paddler I would rather be in that picture. Both of them look a bit upset.

barking frog

July 9th, 2012
10:11 am

Jm
the insurance premium caps
in obamacare won’t allow
that to happen.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 9th, 2012
10:11 am

K71 — “The government’s main job is to protect it’s citizenry…. a job that they have failed to do miserably with ignoring our immigration laws.”

What a shame that you can’t be honest about what both the President and DHS said on this topic.

“It is not the government’s job to supply endless welfare payments and other ridiculous and endless entitlements invented by liberals to gain votes.”

How about you show me a public assistance program that’s “endless?” Maybe you didn’t know it, but almost every form of public assistance in America has time limits on it. So if you’re going to bellyache about “endless welfare payments,” how about you man up and actually SHOW us one?

Joe Hussein Mama

July 9th, 2012
10:12 am

jd — “Clearly, the swimmer broker organizational rules for failing to perform as expected. The swimmer has been sent a memo requesting they appear for the quarterly review with a plan to correct such behavior.”

So the swimmer was non-compliant with the ISO 9000 definition of Recreational Swimmer? :D

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

July 9th, 2012
10:13 am

Maybe next time the lifeguard can swim out to the distressed swimmer and offer to save him if he will sign a contract to pay for services outside the official rescue area. Then everybody wins. The swimmer is saved, the lifeguard keeps his job, & the company profits. The company of course would keep all said profits and not share even a small percentage with the 8.25/hour worker who actually generated the revenue.

Common Sense

July 9th, 2012
10:13 am

Your beef should be with the government, who, if something went wrong in the rescue attempt, would have possibly found the life guard and his company liable for the outcome.

But of course it is not.

TaxPayer

July 9th, 2012
10:14 am

“I’ll… glub, glub… pay you… twi… glub… whatever they’re paying you,” muttered the bobbing conservative swimmer. “I’m sorry. I missed your latest offer. Did you say twice my pay,” asked the free-market life guard.

Doggone/GA

July 9th, 2012
10:14 am

“Your beef should be with the government, who, if something went wrong in the rescue attempt, would have possibly found the life guard and his company liable for the outcome”

I suggest you check out “good samaritan lwas”

barking frog

July 9th, 2012
10:15 am

RINO LLC
oral contracts are legal in
florida.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 9th, 2012
10:15 am

J. Reb — “If you doubt this crap bill will result in increased costs and more reduced access, ask an actuary…”

Love to see more EVIDENCE and less whining about it.

“The only winners are DEMS, those entitled or otherwise enabled, hospital operators and insurers whose interests are the most prevalent…”

This is not evidence. This is whining.

“Wait until the currently insured “middle class” (please offer definition as I’m done guessing) get a load of the increase in deductibles, and 40% plus increases in their contrubutions to finance the losses of those in the “pools”, the pre-existing condition ( which if favor but is not insurance) and other mandates of this bill…”

I’ll go you one better. I know a family whose six-year-old daughter won’t die because their health insurance no longer imposes lifetime caps on coverage.

Socialized care is in use in a lot of countries — developed, industrialized ones — and they’re not bankrupt because of it. If we’re so badazz, then why is socialized care going to ruin *our* economy when it hasn’t done that to the French, the British, the Germans, the Canadians, etc?

Fred ™

July 9th, 2012
10:16 am

Wow. The stupidity of the comments from the right wingers here as they try vainly to make excuses for the inexcusable is mind boggling.

It goes to show how weak minded they are and how far the mind control and brain washing from Rush and his other neophytes on talk radio and FOX news channel has gone.

godless heathen

July 9th, 2012
10:17 am

Maybe next time the lifeguard can swim out to the distressed swimmer and offer to save him if he will sign a contract to pay for services outside the official rescue area.

As long as it includes a Limits of Liability clause.

kayaker 71

July 9th, 2012
10:18 am

Patagonia is one of the most successful corporations in the history of American business. It is run by liberals who are intent on keeping good employees, providing a good atmosphere in the workplace to the point of workout rooms, meditation areas, free lunch rooms, babysitting for employees with children, good salaries and endless other benefits that employees enjoy. And they make a pretty damn good product. But NONE of that would be possible without making a profit with is the bottom line for any corporation. And the employees know it, the shareholders know it and so does management. Patagonia has been voted the company that most employees would like to work for in many polls and surveys but ignore the profit motive and you are just like Solyndra and Eastern Airlines.

barking frog

July 9th, 2012
10:18 am

Fred™
without brainwashing you
must have a dirty brain.

JKL2

July 9th, 2012
10:18 am

How many extensions can obama approve before we stop calling them “Bush tax cuts”?

ragnar danneskjold

July 9th, 2012
10:19 am

More workers joined the federal government’s disability program in June than got new jobs, according to two new government reports, a clear indicator of how bleak the nation’s jobs picture is after three full years of economic recovery. Can our government not hire the handicapped as life guards?

Oscar

July 9th, 2012
10:19 am

Who made the decision to have only a limited protected beach area. Did the city agree to those terms to save money on their contract witht he company. If so, they have no beef with the company. They signed the contract that the company would only protect a certain area of the beach.
Was there a sign that limited the area of the beach that was protected and did the man chose to swim in the unprotected area.
Suppose there is a fire outside the area designated by the city as the area protected by their fire department. Do the fireman cross the line and go outside the city limits to put out a fire.
What happens to a policieman who goes outside his jurisdiction.

You swim in an unprotected area, you takes your chances.

Brosephus™

July 9th, 2012
10:21 am

kayaker

I would have crapped a load big enough to make that shark leave the area for good.

Shepard

July 9th, 2012
10:21 am

Question: why was there an unprotected area? Was this part of the beach outside city limits and therefore not part of the city’s jursdiction?

TGT

July 9th, 2012
10:21 am

Also, in light of my original post: Given that conservatives are significantly more generous than liberals–and this includes coming to the aid of those in need–I’d wager that Lopez is most likely a conservative.

When it comes to social involvement, George Barna research (www.barna.org) shows a significant difference between what he describes as “active-faith” Americans, [the vast majority of whom are Christians] who tend to be more conservative in their politics, and “no-faith” Americans, who tend to be more liberal. Barna reports that, “One of the most significant differences between active-faith and no-faith Americans is the cultural disengagement and sense of independence exhibited by [no-faith Americans] in many areas of life. They are less likely than active-faith Americans to be registered to vote (78% versus 89%), to volunteer to help a non-church-related non-profit (20% versus 30%), to describe themselves as ‘active in the community’ (41% versus 68%), and to personally help or serve a homeless or poor person (41% versus 61%).”

GT

July 9th, 2012
10:21 am

The Supreme Court decision that corporations are the equivalent of people is shrewed in this manner. Corporations are made to hide behind in the operation of business. No individual has this luxury. You can’t die and then reform a new being in the real world unless you are from India. The mob hides behind this identity, money is laundered by this method for use against this country. Thus you have to be far more responsible as an individual than as a corporation, your purpose more direct.

The right has nursed this loophole lifestyle for decades. The southern Baptist we all grew up with that drives 20 miles to the liquor store not to be seen by his neighbors or wears sheets not to be recognized for what he really is. One or two Republicans a year turn out to be gay, which always tickles the hell out of me. I think Romney is all about hiding his true identity, the man invented the very health care plan he rails against today. Not only is the Republican Party doing this they are proud of their immoral behavior. They trot out candidates with enough affairs to make Hugh Hefner blush, back them with casino money and say they represent the Christian ethics of this country. I summit to you the right has done more harm to the moral well being of this country than any enemy we could have chosen and now through this corporate disguise they very well may not only be acting as our enemy but may be the very enemy itself.

Fred ™

July 9th, 2012
10:21 am

Pssstttt……… Right wingers/ Just a little help. Next time something stupid like this happens (and admit it, when you first read or heard about this story you WERE horrified), and Jay makes a bloig about it like this one just type: “Yeah that was really stupid. What was (insert company name) thinking” and move on. Don’t make yourself look even more stupid than the company in the article by trying to make excuses. Hell, even Jeff Ellis and Associates, the company involved saw how stupid their position is and don’t try to excuse it.

You really lose credibility when you post drivel just to “argue” against anything Jay posts because he’s a “socialist” or a “liberal.”

King of Everything

July 9th, 2012
10:22 am

Conservatives claim to hate Govt. as an excuse to funnel public funds to private entities. Some services including education, health care, corrections, and military should not be privatized because as J rightly puts it Govt. provides services and business generate profits and both interest don’t always intersect. There are some things that Govt. WILL do better.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/us/probation-fees-multiply-as-companies-profit.html?pagewanted=all

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

July 9th, 2012
10:22 am

It goes to show how weak minded they are and how far the mind control and brain washing from Rush and his other neophytes on talk radio and FOX news channel has gone.

Well, I’ll have you know I don’t listen to Rush more than 3 or 4 times a week. And my mind ain’t controlled by anybody.

Erwin's cat

July 9th, 2012
10:22 am

What do we know that would have been different if this service was not out-sourced and still run by the govt?

Common Sense

July 9th, 2012
10:23 am

“I suggest you check out “good samaritan lwas””

I suggest you check out the reason they have to have liability insurance in the first place.