To get you “started” on tonight’s journey …

I guess it’s no surprise that someone with a deep affection for the relatively obscure movie “That Thing You Do,” not to mention a nom de blogue of “stands for decibels,” would have a deep appreciation for music, particularly music of a particular era. From what little we know of him from his postings, he is also a fan of Rachel Maddow and Eric Blair, and one of the calmer voices on an often cacophonous blog.

He is also tonight’s guest host. Ladies and gentlemen, sfd:

“I’d been thinking about some pretext to recommend a tune by a band whose song “Start!” is one that’s somewhat familiar to American ears, and while it may not be my absolute favorite ever-ever by the Jam, I gave it another listen last night and heard some elements I hadn’t previously considered.

For starters, it’s not necessarily specific to the “start” of any particular kind of relationship–it might be about connecting with a potential lover, or a friend, of maybe just a fan. (Given that I was as big a fan as one could be when they recorded it, I wanted to believe that last one.) Musically, when you consider bandleader Paul Weller’s unabashed love for mid-60s rock, it’s kind of a one-song homage to all three composers of the Revolver lp–the opening riff is lifted from George’s “Taxman,” the solo could’ve been part of John’s “Tomorrow Never Knows,” and the bit of horns is a nod to Paul’s “Got to Get You into My Life.”

I could regale you with personal connections to this band, but suffice to say this tune appeared on an album that was released whilst I was sharing a house with a bandmate, wherein we rehearsed in the basement, and we covered more of the Jam’s tunes than we should. I loved their sound, dug the look, and I envied the massive following they had in Britain while being dumbfounded as to why they couldn’t get more of an audience here in the states. (as to that last bit: now it’s obvious. 1) they were just too English for most Americans to digest, and 2) the Jam likely didn’t give enough of a crap to adjust their sound, and tone down their accents, to make themselves more marketable here.)

If you’re not familiar with their catalog, they did six albums–all have some classic nuggets within, but you can’t go wrong with the 3rd, 4th, or the 5th album (Sound Affects), from which “Start” is a part.

And back, for just a bit, to the sentiments expressed? I think it’s true of what we try to do at your blog, with one another. We don’t always really understand each other, we get p–ed off and fight over the silliest of reasons, but it’s different sides, talking to each other, sort of. And at least it’s a start.”

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barking frog

July 7th, 2012
11:58 am

0311
how about a Mormon
bishop or a Baptist deacon?

getalife

July 7th, 2012
11:59 am

Penalty flag thrown on barking frog.

A candidate’s religion is against the rules here.

barking frog

July 7th, 2012
12:01 pm

getalife
which candidate would that
be?

Oscar

July 7th, 2012
12:03 pm

A candidate’s religion is against the rules here.

______________

Didn’t see that rule listed. Nobody asked me but I would go with the Baptist.

getalife

July 7th, 2012
12:03 pm

Your imaginary candidate frog.

We are better than that.

Just kidding frog, how about a Scientologist for Prez?

barking frog

July 7th, 2012
12:03 pm

getalife
and don’t you mean tax
flag?

JamVet

July 7th, 2012
12:04 pm

Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being. ~-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820

To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is. ~-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors. ~-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams. ~-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825

The guy rocked his era…

barking frog

July 7th, 2012
12:08 pm

getalife
Only if it came down to
a choice between two
scientologists and then i
might not vote.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 7th, 2012
12:09 pm

“Don’t tell my heart, my achy breaky heart
I just don’t think it’d understand
And if you tell my heart, my achy breaky heart
He might blow up and kill this man”
– Thomas Jefferson

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 7th, 2012
12:09 pm

Relgious preference is fine ……………. religious test is not.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 7th, 2012
12:11 pm

Actually, he said something close to that:

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

barking frog

July 7th, 2012
12:13 pm

0311
your mos’es show you to
be a tank/amphibian
operator. was your favored
vehicle a sermon tank?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 7th, 2012
12:14 pm

getalife

July 7th, 2012
12:20 pm

Yeah scout,

You are a hypocrite because you and the cons attacked our President for being a Christian.

getalife

July 7th, 2012
12:24 pm

scout must be losing his memory about the Rev. Wright looping attacks on fox but I will refresh his memory.

It was a religious test scout and you know it.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 7th, 2012
12:26 pm

barking frog:

No tanks for me ……… my brother was an Army tanker though ………. 3rd Armored.

Military

0311 Infantry
8541 Scout-Sniper
5811 Military Police

Civilian

1811 Criminal Investigator
1801 Investigator

getalife

July 7th, 2012
12:29 pm

“NADER: ‘Cowering’ Democrats Face Defeat…”

I don’t cower or think about being better than them.

I say nothing is off limits to keep the gop from destroying my country again.

barking frog

July 7th, 2012
12:31 pm

0311
sorry i thought 1811 was the
marine mos for tank crew.

getalife

July 7th, 2012
12:33 pm

scout the investigator?

You only post rw bs without any investigation of the facts.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 7th, 2012
12:34 pm

Soothsayer

July 7th, 2012
12:34 pm

The Real Reason Why Gaddafi Was Killed

Another viewpoint other than chest-pounding.

stands for decibels

July 7th, 2012
12:35 pm

Virtual relationships are for losers.

That’s a rather quaint notion. I’ve a couple of very good friends who I only knew online, for years, before having an opportunity to meet in person. I imagine most who post here have similar stories to tell.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 7th, 2012
12:35 pm

barking frog:

It may be but it’s also civlian designator for criminal investigator.

I asked for tanks in boot camp but because I was only in for a two year
active duty enlistment guess what I got?

Infantry !

getalife

July 7th, 2012
12:37 pm

Sooth,

No conspiracy left behind.

Libyans asked for our help and paid us back.

Libyans killed daffy

There is video proof.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 7th, 2012
12:38 pm

1812 –M1A1 Tank Crewman

1833 –Assault Amphibious Vehicle (AAV) Crewmember

1834 –Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle (EFV) Crewman

stands for decibels

July 7th, 2012
12:41 pm

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

one of the dopier things T-Jeff ever wrote. The guy was smart, visionary even, but that line? Coming from a guy who never had to actually put himself physically on the line to defend his new Republic, it sounds like the kind of junk you hear from the warblogger neocons today.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 7th, 2012
12:41 pm

Soothsayer

July 7th, 2012
12:44 pm

“Libyans asked for our help and paid us back.”

You mean the Western-backed “rebels?”

How about the estimated 50,000 – 100,000 innocent men, women, & children who were killed in the “NATO” (read American) airstrikes?

Think about that for just a moment. In Vietnam, 58,000 soldiers died. Here, far more than that were killed by us. Including women, children, and the elderly.

But, hey! Believe what you will. It’s a lot easier on the conscience that way.

getalife

July 7th, 2012
12:45 pm

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

He was right if he was talking about the Arab Spring.

getalife

July 7th, 2012
12:46 pm

“How about the estimated 50,000 – 100,000 innocent men, women, & children who were killed in the “NATO” (read American) airstrikes?”

Link Soooth?

That would probably be the numbers for a no fly zone in Syria.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 7th, 2012
12:47 pm

“Arab Spring” has been hi-jacked by the Muslim Brotherhood.

An evil is being replaced by an even worse evil.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 7th, 2012
12:49 pm

“Think about that for just a moment. In Vietnam, 58,000 soldiers died. Here, far more than that were killed by us. Including women, children, and the elderly.”

Terrorists have this thing about surrounding themselves with women and children ………. cowards that they are.

barking frog

July 7th, 2012
12:50 pm

getalife
“Libyans killed daffy”

i didn’t know that duck was
dead. is donald still o.k.?

getalife

July 7th, 2012
12:52 pm

Your numbers are a lie Sooth:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/08/libya-war-died_n_953456.html

About 17, 000 killed in Syria so far.

frog,

I think both are no longer cartoon characters like daffy.

Marty

July 7th, 2012
12:52 pm

Terrorists have this thing about surrounding themselves with women and children

So do libs. LOL

getalife

July 7th, 2012
12:54 pm

scout,

How are the mb evil in Egypt?.

Is it a religious test?

barking frog

July 7th, 2012
12:55 pm

getalife
i think donald belongs to
disney so he’s o.k. but
daffy may be gone.

getalife

July 7th, 2012
1:02 pm

frog,

daffy never stood a chance after our President engaged with the victory of his no fly zone.

mccain would have us in the Syria civil war to abuse our troops more.

We dodged that bullet and must dodge the willard bullet.

The gop can’t be trusted with our economy or our military.

They proved this fact last time they had power.

Brosephus™

July 7th, 2012
1:02 pm

http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/war-veterans-face-paying-1473446.html

They have received medals, commendations and cheers. Now, Georgia’s war veterans are getting something else from the state for the first time: A bill.

Lawmakers earlier this year authorized charging veterans a new residential fee if they live and receive care in the state’s two war veteran’s homes. The move aims to take advantage of a federal reimbursement program that helps veterans pay for assisted-living-type care. It is also a sign that times are still tough for state budgets.

Charging veterans to live in veteran’s homes established to help take care of them in order to receive federal cash. What will our esteemed leadership think of next? Whatever happened to that personal responsibility thing? The state of Georgia should pay for the care of their own veterans, as they have done in the past without trying to get Uncle Sam to pay for them. I guess the personal repsonsibility thing only applies to certain people and certain situations.

Thomas

July 7th, 2012
1:03 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkFQHScyti0

The best song about our current economic plan

We get blogs that show jobs added but fail to show folks falling off the payroll.

We get blogs about the “saving of the auto” industry but fail to report the 10’s of billions of underwater investment that isn’t coming back.

We get finger pointing about the housing mess but fail to talk about the FRE and FNM preferred shareholders that got screwed by good ol’ Hank Paulson

How about a blogger with a name paper stepping up and chastising both sides v. trying to hit his numbers by stirring it up—

just a thought-

barking frog

July 7th, 2012
1:03 pm

getalife
if it weren’t for global
warming it would 1 degree
cooler.

getalife

July 7th, 2012
1:08 pm

While the gop destroyed our country, China and Germany invested in their countries and now are leaders.

We used that cheap borrowed money for occupations and corporate welfare.

We are falling behind because we are not investing in our country.

Our President is trying but the gop refuse.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 7th, 2012
1:10 pm

Damn, it’s back to a 2G signal again. It was a nice 4G while it lasted.

Something is suggesting that it’s time to mow the lawn.

Maybe I’ll be rewarded with 4G when I’m done.

Soothsayer

July 7th, 2012
1:11 pm

getalife: I’ve spent all this time looking for the link. I know that I read the numbers I mentioned, I just can’t find where at the moment.

Everyone has their own opinion.

My opinion is that what we (the West) is doing in all of these “liberations” is not what it appears.

getalife

July 7th, 2012
1:16 pm

Sooth,

They are fighting for their freedom like us.

There is no conspiracy and we lost no Americans in Libya.

Our President is ending the gop occupations and wants to nation build our country.

This is the right course.

Soothsayer

July 7th, 2012
1:18 pm

O-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-KAY!

Soothsayer

July 7th, 2012
1:20 pm

Out to do the yardwork.

Bernie

July 7th, 2012
1:22 pm

Funny how the Republicans spent a 3 trillion dollars on invading IRAQ and we ended up giving all of its people FREE 110% healthcare COVERAGE.

However when to comes to giving Americans the same benefit by President OBAMA its called Government take over of Healthcare!

THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY WRONG IN THAT!

getalife

July 7th, 2012
1:26 pm

After Iraq, I understand folks looking for conspiracies.

Our government is capable of evil things like admitting injecting std’s in humans for “studies”.

Anthrax, white phosphors bombs,nukes and many WMD’s have been used.

It is fair game.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

July 7th, 2012
1:40 pm

“Our President is ending the gop occupations and wants to nation build our country.

This is the right course.”

Yes, problem is our president isn’t on it.

JamVet

July 7th, 2012
1:44 pm

“My God, that’s all the corporal talks about,” Walsh said Sunday at a town hall. “Our true heroes, it’s the last thing in the world they talk about. That’s why we’re so indebted and in awe of what they’ve done.”

getalife

July 7th, 2012
1:53 pm

“Yes, problem is our president isn’t on it.”

Proof please.

getalife

July 7th, 2012
1:57 pm

Jam,

Funny, I listened to her stump speech and she covers the issues very well.

I think she is a great speaker for our troops too and will fight for them like Max.

G Mare

July 7th, 2012
2:02 pm

Rachel had her on Friday night. She is very ariculate & makes sense, not always the case with people who want to be our leaders.

JamVet

July 7th, 2012
2:05 pm

get,

Hitting back on Friday, Duckworth said she spends “a majority of the time” talking about the issues and that Walsh was simply trying to distract from his record in Congress.

“It’s very irresponsible for Mr. Walsh, as a sitting congressman, to try to muzzle war veterans and keep them from talking about their service,” Duckworth said on “The Situation Room.”

It is becoming almost predictable.

The neocons have their never-served, loudmouth bullies and cowards – Chambliss, Cheney, McConnell, Boehner, Giuliani, Santorum, Allen, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Hannity, all of the PVAC stooges and Mitt Romney.

And for years now, the Democrats have had the overwhelming number of the veterans and true heroes…

getalife

July 7th, 2012
2:06 pm

jm,

No proof as usual.

Just stop lying.

Bernie

July 7th, 2012
2:07 pm

getalife @ 1:53 pm After all of the good works by the Republicans and George Bush….
Give me a Break! You should be thankful for a President OBAMA!

Voting against one’s own self interest is not a Virtue to aspire too!

Oscar

July 7th, 2012
2:12 pm

getalife

July 7th, 2012
1:08 pm

___________

I give you a half right on that. But it’s more complex than that. Globalizaion and competition with cheap labor from Asia was something that could not have been avoided. But W’s policies did make it worse.

Our idea was to let Asia make our shirts and shoes and we would make high tech equipment. Not worked out so for. And we are not educating the engineers and techs we need to treatd water, much less pick up market share.

Good thing for us is China realizes they have to raise wages and create domestic demand. They have to. We are about broke and can’t keep buying from them.

Oscar

July 7th, 2012
2:16 pm

Soothsayer

July 7th, 2012
1:20 pm
Out to do the yardwork.

______________

Doing yardwork in this heat. Your standing as a reasonable sensible person just went down two notches.

Fred ™

July 7th, 2012
2:34 pm

And for years now, the Democrats have had the overwhelming number of the veterans and true heroes…

Really? Who?

getalife

July 7th, 2012
2:44 pm

Bernie,

I support President Obama but the people are to blame for electing a broken corrupt congress.

Oscar

July 7th, 2012
2:45 pm

Al Gore and John Kerry were in Viet Nam. W. was protecting South Alabama.
John Kennedy was in the South Pacific. truman was a major in WWI.

Oscar

July 7th, 2012
2:48 pm

Gatling

July 7th, 2012
2:44 pm

_______________

Surely you don’t mean our two esteemed senators and our members of the house are corrupt and broken.

JamVet

July 7th, 2012
2:49 pm

Rick Noriega, Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate from Texas — joined the U.S. Army in 1979; currently Lt. Colonel in Texas Army National Guard, served in Afghanistan.

Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) — rifle platoon and company commander with the Fifth Marine Regiment in the An Hoa Basin west of Danang; was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star Medal, two Bronze Star Medals, and two Purple Hearts.

Representative Tim Walz, D-MN – Twenty-four years of service in the Army National Guard, retiring in 2005.

Representative Joe Sestak, D-PA – 31 years of service in the Navy, rising to the rank of Vice Admiral.

Representative Chris Carney, D-PA – Lieutenant Commander in the United States Naval Reserve, Carney served multiple tours overseas and was activated for Operation Enduring Freedom, Noble Eagle, and Southern Watch.

Representative Patrick Murphy, D-PA – extensive career in the U.S. Army from 1993-2004; earned Bronze Star and Presidential Unit Citation.

Representative Phil Hare, D-IL – Served in the United States Army Reserve for six years.

Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) – distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990.

Former House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt – Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71.

Representative David Bonior – Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72

Former Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle – 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72

Former Vice President Al Gore – enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon. More facts about Gore’s Service

Former Senator Bob Kerrey… Democrat… Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam

Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-’47; Medal of Honor, World War Two

Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat

Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea

Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam

Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) – U.S. Army Reserve, 1968-1975.

Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) – U.S. Army, 1951-1953.

Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) – Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.

Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) – U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91

Former Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) – served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. (1)

Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) – Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier’s Medal.

Former Representative “Pete” Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit.

Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart.

Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor – volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat “V.”

Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star.

Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57

Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate – 38-year career of public service in the Army, culminating as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO.

Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam

Howell Heflin… Democrat… Silver Star

George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & DFC, dozens of missions during WWII.

Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, seven years in the Navy. “Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter.”

Former Presidential Nominee Mike Dukakis – United States Army, 1955-’57

Former Senator/Vice Presidential nominee Lloyd Bentsen – B-24 pilot in WWII 1942-’45, Squadron Commander; earned Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal with three Oak Leaf Clusters.

Former Vice President Walter Mondale, U.S. Army 1951-1953

Former Senator John Glenn, D-OH (1974-1999) – Served in WWII and Korea; extensive military commendations include the Distinguished Flying Cross on six occasions, and the Air Medal with 18 Clusters.

Congressman Tom Lantos, D-CA – Did not serve in the US military; did serve in the Hungarian anti-Nazi underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg, is the only Holocaust survivor to serve in Congress.

Representative Bud Cramer (D-AL) – joined the Army as a tank officer in 1972; served at Fort Knox, Kentucky, and continued military service as a member of the Army Reserve from 1976 to 1978

Lt. Col. Charles Brown – California 4th District – 26-year career in USAF; jet and helicopter pilot; awarded Distinguished Flying Cross for bravery in the Mayaguez incident.

Eric Massa – New Yorks 29th District – 24 years service in the Navy; also served as aide to NATO Supreme Allied Commander, General Wesley Clark.

And Iraq war veterans:

Paul Hackett – U.S. Senate – Ohio

David Harris – Texas 6th Congressional District

David Ashe – Virginia’s 2nd Congressional District

Andrew Duck – Maryland 6th Congressional District

Tim Dunn – North Carolina’s 8th Congressional District

Andrew Horne — Kentucky’s 3rd Congressional District.

Among others…

Tom Middleton

July 7th, 2012
2:52 pm

JamVet@12:04

Jam, Jefferson was just a man, not a god. And to quote him like he was a god is silly considering his many foibles as a man, like owning slaves while he believed that “all men are created equal.”

And since we can put Sally Hemings squarely in the middle of that and find a man often at odds with himself, at least on issues of individual morality, we can only conclude that he could not have understood the complete message of Jesus, no matter how hard he tried.

It’s kind of like Bruno was with me: Lots of strong opinion passed off as fact, with absolutely no attempt to show the logic of how he got there. All I had to do with Bruno was go at him for the logic and existential proof that he had tried to live what he said he’d read, understood and was condemning, and he walked away. In other words, he was as empty on matters of religion with me as Jefferson in your quotes.

It’s said in other traditions that the mind is a “terrible master but a wonderful servant.” And for Jefferson to even allow himself to believe his conclusions about religion were always right, was not a man being quite as bright as we know he could sometimes be, especially given his contradictory character and willingness to do what’s wrong.

It’s like I told Bruno, true religion is NOT an academic pursuit, but an ongoing way of life. And since Jefferson did not try to live it as Jesus said we must as followers, he could never have understood it, no matter how many times he stroked the pretty kitty he didn’t think it right to own! :)

Oscar

July 7th, 2012
2:54 pm

Oscar

July 7th, 2012
2:58 pm

Prominent Republicans and the Armed Services

Representative Patrick McHenry, R-NC – did not serve. Saw fit to endanger American troops’ lives after a visit to Iraq by violating operational security and helping militias target their mortar attacks on the Green Zone.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY – did not serve (1)
Senate Assistant Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MI – avoided the draft, did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ – did not serve.
Senate Republican Conference Vice Chair John Cornyn, R-TX – did not serve.
National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV – did not serve.

House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OH – did not serve.
House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-MO – did not serve.
House Republican Conerence Chair Adam Putnam, R-FL – did not serve.
House Republican Policy Committee Thaddeus McCotter, R-MI – did not serve.
National Republican Congressional Committee Chair Tom Cole, R-OK – did not serve.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani – did not serve.
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney – did not serve in the military but did serve the Mormon Church on a 30-month mission to France.
Former Senator Fred Thompson – did not serve.
Senator John McCain – McCain’s naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so in 2000? At least Senators Cleland (D-GA), Kerry (D-MA), Kerrey (D-NE), Robb (D-VA) and Hagel (R-NE) defended him.

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Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert – avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey – avoided the draft, did not serve.
Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay – avoided the draft, did not serve (1). “So many minority youths had volunteered … that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself.”
Former House Majority Whip Roy Blunt – did not serve
Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist – did not serve. (An impressive medical resume, but not such a friend to cats in Boston.)
Rick Santorum, R-PA, formerly third ranking Republican in the Senate – did not serve. (1)
George Felix Allen, former Republican Senator from Virginia – a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve. (1)

Former Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld – served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. (1) Served as President Reagan’s Special Envoy to the Middle East and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984.
GW Bush – decided that a six-year Nat’l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he’s “been to war.” Huh?
VP Cheney – several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, “had other priorities than military service”) (1)
Former Att’y Gen. John Ashcroft – did not serve (1, 2); received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State

Jeb Bush, Florida Governor – did not serve. (1)

Karl Rove – avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich – avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
Former President Ronald Reagan – due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing.
“B-1″ Bob Dornan – avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted only after the fighting was over in Korea.
Phil Gramm – avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments
Congressman Ron Paul – active duty flight surgeon from 1963-65; Air National Guard from 1965-68. (link)
Former Senator Bob Dole – an honorable man. http://www.bobdole.org/bio/wwII.php
Chuck Hagel – two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. http://www.senate.gov/~hagel/Information/bio.htm
Duke Cunningham – nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations Recently entered plea bargain on felony charges of bribery, etc. etc.
Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986
Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite (”I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed… managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units…”)
Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action.

getalife

July 7th, 2012
3:02 pm

Did you learn anything Fred?

Don't Forget

July 7th, 2012
3:03 pm

Images from the hubble ultra deep field. Almost all the “points of light” are actually galaxy’s”. Play around with it, it’s amazing.

http://hubblesite.org/gallery/tours/tour-hudf/

getalife

July 7th, 2012
3:10 pm

The pols are doing what the people elected them to do.

The con Americans always vote gop no matter what that party does.

They are a lost cause but this election is not about them.

This election is about the last time gop had power and Americans need reminders of the w administration.

Losing 9 million jobs vs steady job growth and saving our country from gop destruction.

If the people fail and elect gop to power again don’t expect a different result.

St Simons

July 7th, 2012
3:12 pm

i learned something – the Jam was Paul Weller?
yes, he’s too english for ‘merka, says mrsstsimons (raised in swaffham)

but i don’t care. i don’t care if he can even play a guitar or not.
Paul Weller did the most important thing in music for the last 40yrs.
He found Amy Winehouse.

JamVet

July 7th, 2012
3:13 pm

Jam, Jefferson was just a man, not a god.

Hallelujah.

And one ultra fine American to boot.

And Tom, I honestly don’t give a tinker’s damn if you love the Christian god, the Muslim god, the Shinto god or all of them equally. And hate all of the others. Seriously. That is between you and them.

But the days of people shoving their religion in the rest of our faces are gone forever. NO MORE shaming society into believing in Jesus as some sort of savior or conning little old ladies into giving the church their last dollar.

And again, I say hallelujah!

As I linked earlier…

“Religion is unpatriotic at its core, because it places its law above the law of the land. Indeed, religion abhors civil law, which is why we see attacks against science and privacy coming from our religious politicians. Religion asserts itself on the population at large by infiltrating the political system with true believers who will then use the political system to do the church’s bidding.”

Teresa MacBain, Public Relations Director of American Atheists and former pastor, stated, “As a pastor I often reminded my congregants that ‘God’s law was higher than man’s law.’ What that really meant was that the people should take orders from the church, above our civil government. Atheism, being the absence of any religious beliefs, implies that human law alone is supreme over humanity. Here in America, the highest law is in Washington DC, not some fictional heaven. That’s patriotic.”

Silverman concluded, “I ask all citizens to remember that the separation of church and state benefits everyone, except the preachers and the politicians in their pockets. Religious equality only comes from Government neutrality. Celebrate your Independence.”

American Atheists defends civil rights of Atheists, freethinkers and other nonbelievers and works for the total separation of church-mosque-temple and state; and addresses issues of First Amendment public policy.

As a woman who proudly served on active duty in the United States Army, I can attest to the fact that there are many Atheists in foxholes. I was one of them.

Celebrate your freedom and independence!

JamVet

July 7th, 2012
3:14 pm

And Oscar, thanks for filling in the blanks at 2:58…

stands for decibels

July 7th, 2012
3:19 pm

Doing yardwork in this heat. Your standing as a reasonable sensible person just went down two notches.

I was going to post “like Oscar said,” then I realized that only a few days ago I’d announced that I was off to run in what was ~98° heat, so I guess I’ve got to stay neutral on this.

stands for decibels

July 7th, 2012
3:24 pm

Paul Weller did the most important thing in music for the last 40yrs.
He found Amy Winehouse.

He was her mentor? I did not know that.

By the way, Paul released another solo album a few months ago (he’s been pretty busy all these years). Just got it from Amazon, a five-buck download, if you’re interested. What I’ve sampled is a lot glitzier than the Jam stuff, but I’m looking forward to getting to know it in the next few days.

Thulsa Doom

July 7th, 2012
3:24 pm

Oscar,

You left out Eisenhower and John McCain.

Furthermore there are 535 members of Congress and 100 members of the Senate today. Of the Ds and Rs in Congress today how many of them served or didn’t serve in the military? I bet the numbers are pretty close across the board on both and I wouldn’t be surprised if more of the Rs served than Ds. But if there just happened to be more Ds that served than Rs I can guarantee you one thing- it wouldn’t be an “overwhelming” difference.

Thirdly your piece on Rs who didn’t serve ridicules several of the Rs including a cheap shot at Reagan saying he thought later on that he might have served as a tail gunner as opposed to acting as one. It therefore has no credibility and of course when it makes the blanket statement “avoided the draft” it does not know the individual details as to why someone did or did not serve. It just takes a shot at them.

Last in all this nonsense that you guys are constantly posting about “chickenhawks” fighting wars you seem to be lacking a little consistency given the chickenhawk in there now bombing the hell out of Pakistan. That inconsistency alone makes your howls of “chickenhawks” on here completely lacking in credibility. And another example of chickenhawking would be Bill Clinton ordering our pilots to bomb at unusually high heights in Bosnia- sacrificing accuracy and incurring far more civilian casualties so that he could avoid the political criticism of possible casualties to U.S. airmen. So whenever you guys are ready we can have a discussion of your own chickenhawk presidents in the name of consistency.

stands for decibels

July 7th, 2012
3:28 pm

oh, and…

yes, he’s too english for ‘merka, says mrsstsimons (raised in swaffham)

Take that, Carlos! I’m not mad after all!

By the way, I had to google.map it, but I see your Mrs. grew up 136 miles NNE from Paul’s own Woking, UK.

And what I mean by “too English” is just the way so many of those amazing lyrics were pronounced, back in the day. In “The place I love,” he sings a line that goes “only animals around me.”

Only I hear it as something like “ownwee animows aroun mee…” Like he’s chewing gum while he’s singing, which he probably wasn’t.

Thulsa Doom

July 7th, 2012
3:31 pm

“The party makeup of congressional veterans has usually reflected the overall control of Congress, but has trended Republican. Of the 92 House veterans today, 63 are Republican. In the Senate, the 24 veterans are split evenly across the aisle.”- USA today nov. 11,2011

Jamvet and Oscar,

Sorry guys but I just deal in facts. And the cold hard facts are that there are more far more republican veterans in Congress today. As a matter of fact the number of veterans serving in the House is, to use Jamvets own world “overwhelming” in favor of the Rs with nearly 2/3rd of the House veterans being Republicans veterans.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2011-11-10/congress-members-military-service/51159918/1

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Soothsayer

July 7th, 2012
3:33 pm

Thulsa Doom

July 7th, 2012
3:34 pm

Crickets chirping from the left…..

getalife

July 7th, 2012
3:35 pm

doomy,

Lets see your list con.

We are not bombing the hell out of Pakistan liar.

The drone attacks are fewer.

stands for decibels

July 7th, 2012
3:35 pm

Oh, and mrsstsimons might’ve been thinking of some of the subject matter. A tune like “man in the corner shop,” yeah, I guess there’s some carry-over for an American listening c. 1980. But probably not. Because everyone’s tied together by the Church of England in that song’s bridge, and Paul’s Ray-Daviesesque mix of sympathy and sarcasm, I don’t think most Yanks really can suss it out. Or they couldn’t, anyway.

“For here they are all one. For God created all men equal.”

JamVet

July 7th, 2012
3:37 pm

The only three combat veterans of any note in the GOP over the past many years were all loathed by the chickenhawks/neocon faction.

Bob Dole, John McCain and Chuck Hagel.

And the Bushbots and the depraved PNAC gang damn near swiftboated the last two…

They tend ot gravitate toward the scumbags like Alan West…

stands for decibels

July 7th, 2012
3:37 pm

TD, for the record, I’m staying out of the “my side kicks the Hun’s butt harder than your side” argument. Indulge me.

Soothsayer

July 7th, 2012
3:40 pm

BTW, sweating is good for you. Just have to keep up with the potassium is all.

getalife

July 7th, 2012
3:41 pm

After billionaires united, congress can’t be trusted with our military.

A billionaire could get upset with China, donate a billion and we have war with China.

TaxPayer

July 7th, 2012
3:45 pm

How are Republicans doing with their campaign rhetoric from 2010. You remember the GOP talk. Vote Republican because of the lack of jobs and because of your hatred of the constitutional healthcare plan that the Democrats and Obama passed. Anyway, how many jobs have Republicans created with their war against women so far. And how is that supreme court battle against ObamaCare going. Got those appeals filed yet with a higher authority. Poor Republicans. They just can’t do anything right even with all that dirty money from that gambler, Adelson, or the Koch crooks.

getalife

July 7th, 2012
3:51 pm

Tax,

The gop have zero accountability from their voters and corporate media.

I heard their speaker cry where are the jobs the other day and just laughed.

American extremists politics is crazy right now.

You don't say

July 7th, 2012
3:52 pm

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57468106-503544/boehner-i-cant-make-you-love-mitt-romney/

The nose holding is now official. What a grand endorsement………..

Bumper stickers for sale 1st Wednesday in November

“We will keep trying, maybe we will do better next time. Romney 2016″

You don't say

July 7th, 2012
3:55 pm

“Since we can’t beat them. We run again. Romney 2016″

stands for decibels

July 7th, 2012
3:58 pm

ok, indulge me one more Jam linkee, promise, just one more and thassit.

A charming video, a great power-pop tune, one of the best singles you’ve never heard. Trust me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdl8hE07sYE&feature=related

Why the world is your oyster but your future’s a clam
It’s got you in its grip before you’re born
It’s done with the use of a dice and a board
They let you think you’re king but you’re really a pawn

You’re fearless and brave, you can’t be stopped when you’re young…

Thulsa Doom

July 7th, 2012
3:59 pm

The only three combat veterans “of any note” in the GOP over the past many years were all loathed by the chickenhawks/neocon faction.

Bob Dole, John McCain and Chuck Hagel.

Jamvet,

So who decides the criteria combat veterans “of any note”? Seems kinda subjective, arbitrary, and capricious to me. And it seems like you’re using this subjective criteria to ignore the roles of many lesser Republican Congressman who did serve in combat including several in the freshman class who I think were Iraq vets.

And as I said if you had any interest in fairness or consistency then why did you or Oscar leave out McCain, Eisenhower, and George Bush 1 who was shot down twice over the Pacific in WW 2 and was the youngest naval aviator in history at 19. And to think that some chickenhawk Dem had the unmitigated gall to call the man a wimp. That makes me sick. Not sure but I think it was Ann Richards who said that.

And last for the sake of consistency shouldn’t we have a conversation about Democrat chickenhawks like Bill Clinton, Barack Obama who upped the ante in Afgh and is bombing Pakistan with numerous civilian casualties- just like Clinton bombed Bosnia with numerous civilian casualties? Do you guys really want to get into a conversation about your chickenhawk presidents bombings resulting in civilian casualties?

Oscar

July 7th, 2012
4:00 pm

Thulsa Doom

July 7th, 2012
3:24 pm

___________

I was just posting the facts. Look them up yourself.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-25053.html

Oscar

July 7th, 2012
4:03 pm

Just google “Democrats in the Army” There are plently or references to facts.

stands for decibels

July 7th, 2012
4:05 pm

ok, if we must go all political here…

Time to tip my cap. That’s one heckuva “get” for the Goopers…

Brad Pitt’s mum.

St Simons

July 7th, 2012
4:08 pm

yes, that’s what she was saying – he had a very english and european
sense in his writing & melody, the kind which probably wouldn’t carry
well over here. i don’t necessarily agree with her after watching your vid,
and this –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV4ytI0ZgHc
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOh3eNm_weI&feature=related
that’s badass

Oscar

July 7th, 2012
4:09 pm

Soothsayer

July 7th, 2012
3:40 pm
______

I went outside in the shade of oaks and dogwoods checking to see if any yard work needed doing here. Grass in the shade and the sun is not growing.
Came back inside. Maybe in early October I’ll check again.

stands for decibels

July 7th, 2012
4:10 pm

woah… here’s something that I sure didn’t know, and kinda got buried in this otherwise kinda drab story on why Mitt Romney’s financial portfolio matters.

http://projects.newsobserver.com/node/25093

emphasis mine.

Back during the Republican primaries and debates, it took some needling by Newt Gingrich and others to get Romney to release his tax returns for just two years (far fewer than the 23 years he provided Sen. John McCain in 2008 when Romney was being considered as McCain’s running mate). Meanwhile, thanks to the reporting of Forbes and others, the specifics of Romney’s wealth are known in greater detail.

Wonder what the remnants of Team McCain have been/will be leaking, of those 23 years of tax returns?

JamVet

July 7th, 2012
4:12 pm

Doom, all fair points.

Ike, GHWB and McCain were all men that I respected a ton. And why I would never swiftboat ANY combat veteran like so many Republicans have done, including that nauseating piece of trash, Saxby Chambliss did to Max Cleland.

But I take heart knowing that another combat veteran, Tammy Duckworth, is going to replace that gutless POS and deadbeat dad in Illinois.

And hopefully that disgraced McCarthyist idiot in Florida is also going to be a one and doner.

And here is to Bob Kerrey, a true badass combat veteran, and his campaign in Nebraska.

GO BOB KERREY AND BIG RED! (LOL!)

http://www.votevets.org/candidates/

Thulsa Doom

July 7th, 2012
4:16 pm

stands for decibels
July 7th, 2012
3:37 pm

TD, for the record, I’m staying out of the “my side kicks the Hun’s butt harder than your side” argument. Indulge me.

Stands for decibels,

Probably a wise choice. There’s no need to constantly disparage either side for their military veterans and constantly try and portray one side as chickenhawks when the cold hard data shows that that side has more veterans.

I don’t mind Jamvet or anyone one else making an exception for 1 or 2 Republicans like a Cheney or whoever that they despise for the simple fact that they didn’t serve in the military. I just ask for consistency in their reasoning and logic. That’s all.