To get you “started” on tonight’s journey …

I guess it’s no surprise that someone with a deep affection for the relatively obscure movie “That Thing You Do,” not to mention a nom de blogue of “stands for decibels,” would have a deep appreciation for music, particularly music of a particular era. From what little we know of him from his postings, he is also a fan of Rachel Maddow and Eric Blair, and one of the calmer voices on an often cacophonous blog.

He is also tonight’s guest host. Ladies and gentlemen, sfd:

“I’d been thinking about some pretext to recommend a tune by a band whose song “Start!” is one that’s somewhat familiar to American ears, and while it may not be my absolute favorite ever-ever by the Jam, I gave it another listen last night and heard some elements I hadn’t previously considered.

For starters, it’s not necessarily specific to the “start” of any particular kind of relationship–it might be about connecting with a potential lover, or a friend, of maybe just a fan. (Given that I was as big a fan as one could be when they recorded it, I wanted to believe that last one.) Musically, when you consider bandleader Paul Weller’s unabashed love for mid-60s rock, it’s kind of a one-song homage to all three composers of the Revolver lp–the opening riff is lifted from George’s “Taxman,” the solo could’ve been part of John’s “Tomorrow Never Knows,” and the bit of horns is a nod to Paul’s “Got to Get You into My Life.”

I could regale you with personal connections to this band, but suffice to say this tune appeared on an album that was released whilst I was sharing a house with a bandmate, wherein we rehearsed in the basement, and we covered more of the Jam’s tunes than we should. I loved their sound, dug the look, and I envied the massive following they had in Britain while being dumbfounded as to why they couldn’t get more of an audience here in the states. (as to that last bit: now it’s obvious. 1) they were just too English for most Americans to digest, and 2) the Jam likely didn’t give enough of a crap to adjust their sound, and tone down their accents, to make themselves more marketable here.)

If you’re not familiar with their catalog, they did six albums–all have some classic nuggets within, but you can’t go wrong with the 3rd, 4th, or the 5th album (Sound Affects), from which “Start” is a part.

And back, for just a bit, to the sentiments expressed? I think it’s true of what we try to do at your blog, with one another. We don’t always really understand each other, we get p–ed off and fight over the silliest of reasons, but it’s different sides, talking to each other, sort of. And at least it’s a start.”

1,112 comments Add your comment

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July 8th, 2012
3:49 pm

Love me some Reagan :

It’s called “satire”. Ever look at a Luckovich cartoon?

Love me some Reagan

July 8th, 2012
3:50 pm

“Jay is NOT going to be happy with you”

Nor are the so-called conservative politicians that I bet you voted for to run this state. So what is your point, exactly?

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
3:51 pm

Love me some Reagan,

Do you have a problem counting or understanding history? Look at the overwhelming majority of cult of personality figures. They are for the most part on the left- Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Tito and other Eastern European communist leaders, Saddam, the leftist Peron in Argentina. the Iranian mullahs who run a left of center govt, and on and on and on. What is it that you can’t grasp about this? Are you just stupid? Seriously? How can you not look at history and count and not understand this?

getalife

July 8th, 2012
3:52 pm

Where are kyle’s wingnuts now that his blog is shut down?

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July 8th, 2012
3:52 pm

P.S. to: Love me some Reagan (that should be “Former President of the United States Reagan”)

Have you ever protected a president (who you could not stand politically or morally) with your life?

Tundra Dude

July 8th, 2012
3:52 pm

Lets discuss w’s legacy.

all you need to know:

Six years ago, “it was standard practice not to pay for things,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. “We were concerned about it, because it certainly added to the deficit, no question.”

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The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush
by Joseph E. Stiglitz
Vanity Fair December 2007

Love me some Reagan

July 8th, 2012
3:53 pm

“Ever look at a Luckovich cartoon?”

Never. Is his site accessible from this site? I know there are right and left leaning cartoonists who lampoon politicians all the time. Are you good with all of them or just the one’s that are in your ideological camp?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 8th, 2012
3:54 pm

frog – BOOO!!! (funny though) :)

numbers: Good ! Then there should be no complaints about “Hussein”.

None from me. Trivial matter such as focusing on someone’s REAL NAME doesn’t bother me.

Doom – (Buzzer sounding in the background) You’ve already lost that fight. That “One Birther” comment proved your bias already. Sorry.

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July 8th, 2012
3:54 pm

Love me some Reagan (Former President of the United States Reagan):

Is your name DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman ?

Love me some Reagan

July 8th, 2012
3:55 pm

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Makes no difference. You asked a question of bloggers if it was ok to call Obama by his middle name because some people refer to Mitt as Willard. I said call him President.

So if you have protected the President. Good for you and thanks for your service. With that said it has absolutely nothing to do with your post about you calling Obama, Hussein.

Oscar

July 8th, 2012
3:55 pm

Mucinex might work.

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I use Robitussinj for nasal congestion. I vote no for road congestion.

Love me some Reagan

July 8th, 2012
3:56 pm

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What?

JamVet

July 8th, 2012
3:56 pm

If we begin with Ronald Reagan, we see the man who has been proclaimed the conservative icon of American politics. This is the man whose charisma was so great, his personality so strong, that he was able to bring together a broad based constituency of diverse political minds.

Reagan was, and continues to be, all things to all people. He was lauded as the father of modern conservatism, although his policies were more pragmatic than they were conservative. He cut taxes once, but continuously raised taxes after that.

He was not a lover of the Evangelical movement although that movement idolized him. He was a patrician actor who connected with working class democrats. Reagan’s legacy was to teach the political elite that the cult of personality was much more important than the ideas that the politician espoused. We learned that politics were flexible, but personality had to be the draw.

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July 8th, 2012
3:56 pm

Love me some Reagan (Former President of the United States Reagan):

Sure you can see Luckovich ………….. just go to the AJC home page and look for him. He is a far left leaning cartoonist. He gets “awards” for his satire ……….. so guess what? You’re going to have to put up with my written satire …………. or just don’t read my posts.

Easy isn’t it ?

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
3:57 pm

“You haven’t named people like David Koresh, or the followers of Warren Geff or the people in that bank in Stockholm; or even the followers of Neo Nazis!”

DDR,

The discussion is about govts not cult religious leaders. I’m simply trying to tell this man that the cult of personality phenom is far more prevalent on the left. All you have to do is simply look at history to see this. And this man can’t grasp such as simple, straight forward fact of life. Its bizarre. Instead of acknowledging the countless examples of cult of personality leftist leaders he’s talking some jibberish about psychologists, psychiatrists, etc. I don’t think I could open his mind with a crowbar.

Love me some Reagan

July 8th, 2012
3:57 pm

“You’re going to have to put up with my written satire …………. or just don’t read my posts.”

Likewise.

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July 8th, 2012
3:58 pm

Love me some Reagan (Former President of the United States Reagan) @ 3:56

What yourself !

Love me some Reagan

July 8th, 2012
3:58 pm

“Easy isn’t it ?”

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July 8th, 2012
3:58 pm

Love me some Reagan (Former President of the United States Reagan) @ 3:57:

Deal.

getalife

July 8th, 2012
3:59 pm

His name is President Obama for four more years.

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
3:59 pm

Scout,

I tried to open “love me some Reagan’s” mind with a crowbar. Didn’t work. I’ll hand it over to you but something tells me it won’t work for you either.

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July 8th, 2012
3:59 pm

P.S.

And show some respect for your own standards.

It’s “Former President of the United States Reagan”.

Love me some Reagan

July 8th, 2012
3:59 pm

“I don’t think I could open his mind with a crowbar.”

Mr Close Mind is calling out others

You too funny

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July 8th, 2012
3:59 pm

Thulsa:

…………………………. :o

Probably a teenager.

getalife

July 8th, 2012
4:04 pm

scout is satire?

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
4:06 pm

Don’t Forget,

No need for name calling. I don’t put O in that crowd with the others. Obviously we don’t have a totalitarian govt.

My point is that there seems to be some sort of man worship with the guy that is just sort of creepy with all the hero worship and the t-shirts and media comments. Come on man. When the newsweek editor says he is “sorta like a god looking down on us all” that shoulda been your first clue. Then there is Terry Moran of ABC news saying the guy “stepped down” into the office of the presidency. Really Terry? The man belittled himself and stepped down into the office? And then Chris matthews with the tingle up his leg when O speaks. And on and on. And all the T-shirts of the man. Its just plain creepy and reminds me of the cult of personality thing which as I explained to one poster is far more endemic to the left just going by history.

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July 8th, 2012
4:07 pm

Thulsa:

Creepy? I say “Icky” !

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 8th, 2012
4:08 pm

Kam, you are one the bright spots on this blog.

Why thank you G Mare, that is very gracious of you.

My bright spot came this afternoon when I harvested my first ripe tomato.

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
4:09 pm

Me love some reagan,

And I see you remain unencumbered by mere facts such as how many cult of personality figures have come from the left. Its cool though. I expect as little from you.

carlosgvv

July 8th, 2012
4:10 pm

Doom – 3:51

The goal of fundamentalist Christians now in charge of the Republican Party is a country filled with like-minded politicians running America on strict Christian rules. Idolizing Regan and building a “cult of personality” is just one the the many ways they hope to create this. Outlawing abortion, replacing evolution with creationism in schools and unleashing brutal pundit attacks on liberal values is also part of the equasion.

If you and others were not so blinded with your hate of Obama and obsession with getting a whiter White House, you might be able to see this.

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
4:13 pm

Scout,

I’m tellin ya. The man can do no wrong to his worshipers. It reminds me of this.

http://thesilentmajority.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/howard-sternlisten-and-weep-man-on-the-street-in-harlem/

getalife

July 8th, 2012
4:13 pm

Get the President is not a plan cons.

It is a losing strategy and murdoch tried to tell you that fact.

Brosephus™

July 8th, 2012
4:15 pm

My point is that there seems to be some sort of man worship with the guy that is just sort of creepy with all the hero worship and the t-shirts and media comments.

Just to inject a point here, what’s the difference between some sort of man worship of Obama vs the same sort of man worship of Reagan. You recite his 16 millions job created stat as though it’s a biblical verse. I’ll commend you for correcting yourself though, as you previously used 21 million which was debunked.

That said, that stuff goes on with both sides of the political aisle. One doesn’t need to wear a t-shirt to belong to a “cult”. One can recite rhetoric. One can show bumperstickers, or there’s other countless things that happen. Pretending that it’s a one-sided affair is, to put it mildly, grossly intellectually dishonest.

That’s all for me on this. I’ll leave y’all to Left/Right pissing contest 7/8/12….

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
4:16 pm

“If you and others were not so blinded with your hate of Obama and obsession with getting a whiter White House, you might be able to see this.”

Oh noes! Say it aint so. A liberal says that if you disagree with Obama its because of- drumroll please………….aaaaaaah yeah. Hell yeah……..Here we go……….You knows its coming………anticipation building………….carlosgvv plays it well……….the dreaded…………..

R

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C

A

R

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Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

predictable. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

getalife

July 8th, 2012
4:17 pm

Nobody is worshiping a pol cons.

If that is all you got, we should start talking about something other than politics.

Don't Forget

July 8th, 2012
4:17 pm

Thulsa, Stalin killed 30-40 million, Mao 50-60 million Pol Pot about 2 million. To say these guys were a personality cult is absurd. And to put Obama in that group is beyond absurd by ANY measure.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 8th, 2012
4:22 pm

Doom – first off you named PEOPLE not governments. Don’t try to play ‘I forgot what I just wrote” with me, it won’t work.

Here’s some of the PEOPLE you named AND had the nerve to call “leftist”:

Mao, Stalin — Both communists

Pol Pot, Also a communist but he has an eerily close association to some tenets of the republican party. (From Wiki – Former government officials, along with anyone with an education, were singled out in the purges. A set of new prisons was also constructed in Khmer Rouge run areas)

Tito — Puente?

and other Eastern European communist leaders,: Again you talk of PEOPLE and not GOVERNMENTS as you ascertained previously.

Saddam, Now THAT’s funny!! Saddam was a dictator!!

the leftist Peron in Argentina. His was a military dictatorship who advocated that the little man, who was usually the ones called to defend the republic, should have as equal of a chance as the “highborn”. Being a republican, I know that probably grates you immensely! Imagine someone saying that they are just as good as the “job making betters” of society!!!

the Iranian mullahs who run a left of center govt, : A Mullah is generally used to refer to a Muslim man, educated in Islamic theology and sacred law . This type of person should also appeal to you and the republican party. This person would advocate a THEOLOGICAL type of government – far from “leftist”.

What is it that you can’t grasp about this? Are you just stupid? Seriously? How can you not look at history and count and not understand this?

No offense, but I’m sure some people on the blog are probably asking the same question about you. Sorry. :cry:

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
4:23 pm

“I’ll commend you for correcting yourself though, as you previously used 21 million which was debunked.”

Nope. Let me explain the discrepancy. Reagan created 16.1 million new jobs net which includes jobs since the day he walked into office and includes the jobs lost in the 81-82 recession. Now from the bottom of the recession he created 21 million new jobs. But the overall number is 16 since we are talking about from the day he walked into office.

Now O backers like to say he created 4 million jobs so far. If you are talking about from the bottom of the recession then you would be correct. But if you are talking about from the day he walked into office then I believe he is actually still net negative by a couple hundred thousand jobs. So if you want to compare apples with apples and talk about from the bottoming out of the recession then the score is 21 million to 4 million. If you want to talk about from the day they walked into office then the score is 16.1 million to something like -100 or 200 thousand whatever the number is. I could be wrong on that but perhaps someone can look it up.

And lets keep in mind that the W recession officially ended 6 months into O’s reign and that job losses had bottomed out the month he came in. In the case of Reagan the 81-82 Fed induced recession lasted into I think November of his 2nd year so he had about 23 months worth of recession to deal with as opposed to 6 for O.

Just the facts kids. Just the facts.

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
4:26 pm

DDR,

Those are all left of center or socialist govts that I spoke of. Every one of them. Even though mullahs run a govt that is socialistic in nature with govt control over things such as oil. And please show me where a communist is not also a leftist? Now you’re drifting into far left kook land.

TaxPayer

July 8th, 2012
4:27 pm

Saddam Hussein was loved by the Reagan administration. As was Osama bin Laden.

getalife

July 8th, 2012
4:28 pm

The gop lost 9 million jobs.

Our President recovered 5 million jobs.

Another term will recover the rest of the jobs.

Just the facts.

Boom.

Love me some Reagan

July 8th, 2012
4:34 pm

Dont forget Pinochet

He was such a nice guy

JamVet

July 8th, 2012
4:34 pm

getalife, crazy how the serial banished Dave R and his band of seniorile delinquents blew the place to Kingdom Come, huh?

Kyle, probably rues the day he ever started that forum…

…the Reagan administration:

corruption becoming passé (epitomized by the Iran-Contra Affair)

“greed is good” rhetoric permeating social consciousness

relentless attempts to usurp New Deal welfare institutions for the poor

deregulation of corporations (who need’s f&cking forests and clean water?)

tax-slashing for the rich

the War on Drugs and subsequent racial profiling/disproportionate incarceration of minorities/epidemic of drugs

dismantling of labor unions (Air Traffic Control Strike)

destruction of the middle-class and the widening of the wealth gap

enabling the high-risk investment w/ low accountability that ultimately resulted in our current economic downturn.

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
4:37 pm

Ya’ll still mad over the abysmal 2 jobs reports over the last 2 months aintcha?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 8th, 2012
4:37 pm

Reagan was so virile that women can get pregnant merely by watching one of his movies.

Love me some Reagan

July 8th, 2012
4:39 pm

But Pinochet wasn’t a “lefty” so that made him an alright guy, right Thulsa?

Love me some Reagan

July 8th, 2012
4:40 pm

“Ya’ll still mad over the abysmal 2 jobs reports over the last 2 months aintcha?”

Come see me on election day.

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
4:41 pm

Don’t Forget,

Enough with the outrage. Jeez do you need a fainting couch. I already said once I do not mean to include O in that group- especially in light of the mass killings. How many times do I need to tell you that? Get over it. My point which i backed up with examples is that creepy cult of personality thing that some libs kinda worship the man and think he can do no wrong. Creepy. Icky too. Now get over the Stalin and Mao thing already and quit harping on it. I already said once that it doesn’t apply. This is the 2nd time.

getalife

July 8th, 2012
4:41 pm

How about a national job project to get off the oil that will run out like Germany?

How about a national job project to prepare for extreme weather?

How about a national job project to create 10 million jobs.

reagan is dead.

Lets focus on the future and not the past.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 8th, 2012
4:42 pm

Those are all left of center or socialist govts that I spoke of. Every one of them. Even though mullahs run a govt that is socialistic in nature with govt control over things such as oil. And please show me where a communist is not also a leftist? Now you’re drifting into far left kook land

First: You should look up the definition of Communism and Socialism and then try to figure out the difference.

Secondly you highlighted A military dictatorship, A Theocracy, Two Totalitarian Societies AND a society which systemically “purged” people who disagreed with them by murdering them. Yes, you’re right – they SCREAM “left leaning.”

Look Doom, if you’re not even going to TRY to give thoughtful, well researched debate, then what’s the point? Why not just get out your crayons and coloring book and kill a couple of hours doing that? I love to debate with you, but if you’re just trying to push out the oral equivalent of bullsh###t and call it “truth” , then why bother? :roll:

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
4:45 pm

Love me some Reagan
July 8th, 2012
4:40 pm

“Ya’ll still mad over the abysmal 2 jobs reports over the last 2 months aintcha?”

Come see me on election day.

So you admit that you are in favor of continously crappy jobs reports. That’s all on you and anyone else foolish enough to reelect an obvious failure. Oh and btw. Just a tidbit to tease you.

“For instance, in 1984, Ronald Reagan’s administration created an average of about 306,000 jobs per month from May through October. However, that is equivalent to 426,000 in today’s terms because the population is now larger.”

So where are those 426,000 jobs we should be getting today as an equivalent? Where dey at???

W

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http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/04/has-obamas-magic-jobs-number-changed/

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
4:46 pm

Where! oops!

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
4:48 pm

me loves some Reagan.

I’ve never seen Pinochet widely acknowledged as a cult of personality figure. And of course he was on the right. Your sense of history is appalling sir. Go back to school.

getalife

July 8th, 2012
4:50 pm

Jam,

dave is one of the nastiest cons. Dish it out but can’t take it.

I can make them go off with a couple of posts.

Complete melt downs like doomy and fred last night.

There is no honest debate with the cons.

Love me some Reagan

July 8th, 2012
4:51 pm

Doom

Actually outside of Fed government jobs and indirect jobs that parlay off of the government, no President creates jobs.

Explain to us all how Romney is going to get job growth going? Will his mere presence in the White House negate the world economy? Will it drop the debt of so many Americans that no longer have the ability to buy and buy, which is the catalyst for job growth? (consumer demand)

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 8th, 2012
4:53 pm

There is no honest debate with the cons.

That’s because their “cultist personalities” can not allow them to hear, read, or comprehend anything that threatens their Fox News generated, Bortz bellowing, LimpBalls bleating, revamping of the word “truth”.

If it’s not on Fox, Bortz or LimpBalls’ shows, then it’s not TRUE.

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
4:53 pm

I’ll be back later. Maybe someone can help out by then and show me where Obama’s job creation numbers compare favorable to Reagan’s using apples to apples comparisons. Or maybe not. After all when I think of Obama’s job growth record I think of what a childhood friend’s mamma used to say about him trying to make positive about his crappy report card- you can’t shine shyte.

getalife

July 8th, 2012
4:56 pm

At least the gop passed a billion for transportation so the workers would not get laid off.

That is the best the gop can do for our recovery.

They deserve to lose.

JamVet

July 8th, 2012
4:57 pm

I have a vision. On the day that Ronald Reagan’s remains are transported from the U.S. Capitol to the National Cathedral for the funeral services, the hearse will pass 800 black crosses.

Each cross will represent one of the men, women and children who were killed by the Salvadoran military in the village of El Mozote in December 1981. Each would be a reminder that the dead man now celebrated in the media as a lover of freedom and democracy oversaw a foreign policy that empowered and enabled murderous brutes and thugs in the name of anti-Sovietism. Many innocents in other lands paid dearly for Reagan’s crusade.

Throughout his presidency, Reagan made nice with dictators—no matter how nefarious—as long as they parroted his opposition to communism. As soon as he entered the White House, his administration tried to normalize relations with Augusto Pinochet, the dictator of Chile, who was responsible for a bloody coup that overthrew a democratically elected (but socialist) government.

The Reaganites also cozied up to the fascistic and anti-Semitic junta of Argentina, which tortured, slaughtered and disappeared its political opponents.

And don’t forget Reagan’s attempt to woo Saddam Hussein, even after it was known that Hussein had used chemical weapons. (Reagan assigned this task to Donald Rumsfeld.)

Reagan may have pushed for democracy and human rights in the Soviet bloc, but he cared little for these values elsewhere. He dramatically urged the destruction of the Berlin Wall and supported the Solidarity movement in Poland. But he sent money and assistance to regimes that repressed and murdered their people. While visiting Ferdinand Marcos, the Filipino dictator, Reagan’s vice president, George H.W. Bush, toasted Marcos’ “adherence to democratic principles.”

People lost their freedom or died because Reagan and his lieutenants could not see beyond their ideological blinders and cut deals with miscreants who shared their anti-Moscow mantra. Not only did Reagan embolden torturers and murders, but the CIA—following his order to support the contra rebels in Nicaragua (who were trying to oust the socialist Sandinistas)—worked with suspected drug traffickers. Who said so? Not conspiracy-theory nuts, but the inspector general of the CIA. Years after the contra war, the agency’s IG produced two reports that conceded the CIA had enlisted the assistance of alleged drug runners. At the same time Nancy Reagan was preaching “Just Say No” to drugs.

As I noted in this column a few months ago—when there was a media hullabaloo over a schlocky biopic of Reagan—Reagan was AWOL on one of the important battles for freedom and democracy in the 1980s: South Africa. He defended the racist apartheid government there and claimed—as wrongly as could be—that South Africa had “eliminated the segregation that we once had in our own country.” And when Republicans and Democrats joined together in Congress to impose economic sanctions on the government of South Africa, Reagan vetoed the measure. In response to that veto, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, a leader of the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa, said, “Apartheid will be dismantled, and its victims will remember those who helped to destroy this evil system. And President Reagan will be judged harshly by history.”

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/reagans_bloody_legacy.php

Thulsa Doom

July 8th, 2012
4:58 pm

Ya’ll get started on that homework assignment I gave you. And while you’re at it please present an economics report on why the last 2 jobs reports numbers having been so embarrassing under this president. And this time we won’t accept excuses in the form of its W’s fault, ATMs, the Arab Spring, tsunamis, the Japanese earthquake, global warming, and whatever other pitiful excuses this failure of a president comes up with. I’ll then use your report to compare it to Reagan’s mind blowing job growth and economic growth numbers. Should be lotsa fun. Lotsa fun indeed. Ciao!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 8th, 2012
4:58 pm

Declaring victory while backing out the door.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

predictable. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love me some Reagan

July 8th, 2012
5:02 pm

Thulsa Doom

Of course we can debate trade agreements, jobs being shipped overseas (white and blue collar), technology, competition that didn’t exists 30 yrs ago as it does today, but in the end it is about consumer demand.

The dirty little secret that politicians of all stripes do not wish to talk about. A good portion of the economy in the last 30 yrs was driven by lowering of credit standards for credit cards, cars, housing and such. People have taken on too much credit and are broke. Is that the majority? No, however it is a significant number that we are now stagnated.

Take out the easing of credit standards and the ensuing bubbles, I bet we would have been looking at a much higher average unemployment rate over the last 30 yrs. And it wouldn’t have mattered who was in the White House or controlled Congress.

This notion that if we just give corporations another tax cut or loop hole, throw some regulations out of the window and all of a sudden consumer demand rows back is nothing less than a pipe dream.

Don’t place any money on Romeny, however if hell freezes over and he does win, many on the right will not be pleased and will be making the same excuses as some Obama supporters make today.

President gets too much credit and too much blame. With that said, count on this economy being stagnant for a few years outside of some unforeseeable bubble. And we know what the long terms impact is for bubbles.

Now that is brass tax, real issues discussion information.
What you got?

TaxPayer

July 8th, 2012
5:06 pm

Reagan sent Rumsfeld to Saddam with instructions to give Saddam whatever he wanted. Rumsfeld and Saddam shook on it and that pleased Reagan.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 8th, 2012
5:06 pm

What you got?

Reaganphilia immediately leaps to mind….

Love me some Reagan

July 8th, 2012
5:11 pm

Kamchak

Did I miss something? Seemed Thulsa Doom was making a big deal about Obama as he praised and idolized everything Reagan.

Guess he couldn’t bring himself to realize that he was really talking about himself, as much as anyone else.

Oh well. It was humorous watching him tap dance

getalife

July 8th, 2012
5:12 pm

So what if a green energy bubble pops.

We will have an alternative to oil and we are falling behind.

We need a big job project like building a nuke or going to the moon.

And we don’t need to outsource American jobs for record profits.

At least we are talking about the future and not a bad president.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 8th, 2012
5:12 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 8th, 2012
5:14 pm

Love me some Reagan

In the future, just scroll on by Doom else you’ll be chasing the goalposts.

Just my $0.02

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 8th, 2012
5:15 pm

Jam – Who wrote a song whose lines say:

Don’t be sad, two outta three ain’t bad?

JamVet

July 8th, 2012
5:24 pm

DDR, it was Meat Loaf who sang it. Jim Steinman wrote it.

And a damn fine song from a spectacular (IMHO) Todd Rundgren produced album…

Rundgren acknowledges that Steinman was highly influenced by the “rural suburban teenage angst” of Bruce Springsteen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGT1AcMRV9w

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 8th, 2012
5:43 pm

And a damn fine song from a spectacular (IMHO) Todd Rundgren produced album…

Featuring the musical talents of E Street Band members “Mighty” Max Weinberg on drums and “Professor” Roy Bittan on keyboards.

Kinda cheesy album but platinum 14 times over.

Saw Meatloaf preform at The Fox while touring to promote Bat Out of Hell.

Damn fine show.

carlosgvv

July 8th, 2012
5:44 pm

Why is it so hard for so many here to realize that job creation is NOT a main responsibility for any US President.

As for that old “it’s all his regulations that are hurting business” excuse, any and all regulations have to be approved by Congress, and the House is Tea Party Republican.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 8th, 2012
5:49 pm

RIP Ernest Borgnine.

JamVet

July 8th, 2012
5:51 pm

Yep Kam, total cheese. But damn if I didn’t love it all!

Also on it were the three other members of the band Utopia, Edgar Winter and the lovely songbird Ellen Foley.

And….. the voice of the New York Yankees, Phil “Scooter” Rizzuto!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmPMMitJDYg&feature=relmfu

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 8th, 2012
5:53 pm

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 8th, 2012
6:00 pm

DDR, it was Meat Loaf who sang it. Jim Steinman wrote it.

Wow!! MEATLOAF sang something like that!?! When I think of Meatloaf I think of that I’d do anything for love, song!! Thanks Jam!I knew you’d know.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

July 8th, 2012
6:01 pm

You guys have a great Sunday – see you later!

Thomas

July 8th, 2012
6:04 pm

Love me some Reagan-

Was about to do the pouncing cheetah but your 5:02 is actually spot on- take the night off and have a cold one on the bloggers- we are going to sit for a while so mights as well chill.

getalife

July 8th, 2012
6:05 pm

Actually, job creation is the fed’s responsibility but they tossed the kitchen sink at the w collapse and all that is left is more qualitative easing.

The gop want this to be a referendum against our President but it should be one on congress and the collapse.

congress getting a free ride has to stop.

TaxPayer

July 8th, 2012
6:21 pm

“Squirrel!” – GOP

getalife

July 8th, 2012
6:58 pm

willard is” Obamacare’s daddy”.

Go nuclear dems.

Obamacare Is Not A Tax (According to Libs)

July 8th, 2012
7:02 pm

Some random headlines over the weekend…

“Speaking in Sandusky, Ohio on July 5, President Barack Obama used the first-person pronouns “I” and “me” a combined 117 times in a speech that lasted about 25 minutes and 32 seconds.”

And people wonder why Obama is called a narcissist. Laughable. But hey, that’s the same guy who says that 80,000 jobs created every month and 8.2% unemployment is a “good start”…three and a half years after an $850 billion stimulus bill was passed that was to keep unemployment from going above 8% and create millions of shovel ready and green energy jobs.

“US factory output at three-year low”

I guess that’s another “good start.”

“In 2010, influenced by the Tea Party and its focus on fiscal issues, 17 states elected Republican governors. And, according to an Examiner.com analysis, every one of those states saw a drop in their unemployment rates since January of 2011. Furthermore, the average drop in the unemployment rate in these states was 1.35%, compared to the national decline of .9%, which means, according to the analysis, that the job market in these Republican states is improving 50% faster than the national rate.”

Oh don’t worry. Democrat-run Brokeback California is pushing forward with a multi-billion high speed rail project to nowhere that will create plenty of union jobs. Queue up the Canary In A Coal Mine song from the Police…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 8th, 2012
7:03 pm

getalife

July 8th, 2012
7:17 pm

I hope Jack Abrahmoff 60 minute interview will start the ball rolling to end k street.

Recon 0311 2533

July 8th, 2012
7:31 pm

Been away to the beach and it was great as the family enjoyed themselves each day. I see some of the blog faithful are picking up this latest pathetic Obama line that the economy is really taking steps in the right direction in spite of the latest dismal reports and the chorus says duh…yes Mr. President the economy, duh is really good, lets spend more taxpayer money, duh and we’ll do even better. Some of you are either morons or you’re otherwise intelligent individuals whose heads are ideologically stuck up your azzes.

G Mare

July 8th, 2012
7:36 pm

Gee, welcome back, Recon.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 8th, 2012
7:41 pm

President Barack Obama used the first-person pronouns “I” and “me” a combined 117…

I had to check and sure enough — gooey drudgey goodness

Not so “random” after all.

getalife

July 8th, 2012
7:47 pm

The cons won’t post this drudgey headline but I will :

“SWING STATES BATTLE ZONE: OBAMA 47% ROMNEY 45%” drudgey.

getalife

July 8th, 2012
7:50 pm

del,

Losing 9 million jobs vs steady job growth is a step in the right direction.

Man up and admit this fact if you have the guts.

I know you don’t.

getalife

July 8th, 2012
7:55 pm

After they finish that train, I will be on it.

Good for California.

After our President approves the pipeline, both projects will help job numbers while gop guvs layoff workers.

G Mare

July 8th, 2012
7:59 pm

Getalife, please talk to me about the pipeline. I’m of a very mixed, confused mind about it. No, not being snarky. Thanks.

TaxPayer

July 8th, 2012
8:00 pm

I heard a rumor that Republicans campaigned in 2010 on their ability to create jobs. How’s that workin’ out.

getalife

July 8th, 2012
8:04 pm

G Mare,

The pipeline was not approved over environmental reasons so they had to change the path .

The new design should be ready to go and will be approved.

We are drilling more than ever and even exporting oil and natural gas.

TaxPayer

July 8th, 2012
8:06 pm

A U.S. Airways flight at Reagan National Airport bound for Charleston, S.C. was delayed on Friday after it got stuck in a soft spot on the tarmac, apparently caused by extremely high temperatures, the The Washington Post reports.

“It’s summer!” – George Will

Recon 0311 2533

July 8th, 2012
8:07 pm

getalife, says, duh…Losing 9 million jobs vs steady job growth is a step in the right direction.

Yeah right, steady unemployment over 8% and you say “guts”? I say it’s gutless to accept that as acceptable and even more so when you consider the real unemployment is at 15%. You’re going to vote to give this sorry administration a second term? Gutless!!!

TaxPayer

July 8th, 2012
8:09 pm

“Vote Republican for jobs!” – 2010 GOP Campaign

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 8th, 2012
8:10 pm

Oh vey…. looks like someone did not relax on their vacation. Still the same old tired and repeated lies. :roll:

getalife

July 8th, 2012
8:12 pm

Tax,

I guess your question was too tough for del or other cons to answer so I will.

The gop lied like they always do and no American should believe a word they say.

Jm

July 8th, 2012
8:13 pm

Getalife

“more qualitative easing.”

Um. Get a clue. :)

It’s quantitative easing.

Jm

July 8th, 2012
8:14 pm

“The gop lied”

The monolithic GOP…….. Eyeroll