Ga. GOP asked to approve extremist proposal

When they go to the polls later this month, Georgia Republican voters will be asked their opinion on when human life begins, and what government must do to protect that life once it begins.

The question reads:

“Shall the Constitution of Georgia be amended so as to provide that the paramount right to life is vested in each innocent human being from his or her earliest biological beginning without regard to age, race, sex, health, function, or condition of dependency?”

The proposal, which is part of a national campaign, is called the “personhood amendment.” Resolutions proposing to write the amendment into the state constitution were introduced in both the state House and Senate last session, with the Senate version enjoying the sponsorship of Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers and Senate President Pro Tem Tommie Williams, among others.

Similar legislation has been introduced in Congress by U.S. Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia. Among the 64 co-sponsors of the Sanctity of Human Life Act are U.S. Reps. Phil Gingrey, Lynn Westmoreland and Jack Kingston, all of Georgia.

“I know without any question that life begins when the spermatozoa, the sperm cell, enters the cell wall of the oocyte, the egg, and produces a one-celled human being called a zygote,” said Broun, a physician.

The advisory question was placed on the state GOP primary ballot in the hope that its probable approval by Republican voters would build momentum for the personhood amendment in the Legislature. According to Dan Becker, the head of Georgia Right to Life, approval would “send a clear message to all elected officials in the state that a majority of voters reject the current culture of death created by abortion on demand.”

As Becker suggests, approval of the personhood concept would mean the outlawing of all abortions, including those made necessary by rape or incest. A fertilized egg, no matter how it came into being, would be protected by law.

However, the consequences of the personhood movement go well beyond abortion. It would define a fertilized egg as a full human being, with all the legal rights inherent in being human.

For example, birth-control pills work in part by preventing the implantation of a fertilized egg into the uterus. If we define a fertilized egg as a human being, use of the pill would become tantamount to murder. The same is true of the intrauterine device, or IUD.

In effect, the personhood amendment would also outlaw in vitro fertilization as a treatment for infertility in Georgia. The treatment typically requires creation of more fertilized eggs than can be brought to birth; under the proposed amendment, every one of those eggs would have to be treated as a full human being, with criminal sanctions possible should any of them die. Such a law would make the treatment impractical and legally too risky in this state, and would deny thousands of Georgia couples the opportunity to become parents.

It would be, in other words, a major expansion of government intervention into a deeply private — indeed the most intimately private — sphere of human activity and relationships. Proponents of the measure nonetheless hope to get a large majority of Georgia Republicans on record as supporting such an intervention, and to leverage that statement into actual law.

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You just can't make up this bs

July 6th, 2012
2:39 pm

“feeling the agony of defeat.”

Oh no, not the skier who took the tumble down the hill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-RumbnQZTE

TaxPayer

July 6th, 2012
2:40 pm

Perhaps td will be so kind as to highlight the legislation signed by Obama in January of 2009 that led to those cherry-picked job losses.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 6th, 2012
2:41 pm

Mention term limits to a pol and watch her squirm

We already have term limits, they’re called elections.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 6th, 2012
2:41 pm

Rome — “In other words, are you defending abortion because that’s not a baby, or is it about the value of the baby vs the value of the mother?”

Neither.

I see abortion as an elective medical procedure. The only reason to refuse or deny an elective medical procedure is danger of injury or death to the person electing it (or, if they are unable to speak for themselves, their guardian/agent/spouse/parent).

Abortion is legal, just as other elective medical procedures are. Therefore, the decision to undergo it should properly rest with the woman seeking it. She may, of course, solicit opinion and information from others should she wish it (spouse, doctor, minister, etc), but IMO that’s HER choice to make and no one else’s. In no other medical case do we permit outside individuals to interfere.

Unless and until the fetus is a separate individual, I maintain that the woman has an absolute right to make all medical choices and decisions regarding her own body — and that the fetus IS part of her body unless and until physically separate.

IMO, the pro-life/anti-choice contingent is making considerable leaps of logic in order to justify treating abortion as anything other than an elective medical procedure — which is what it is. If a woman *doesn’t* want one, she surely should not be pressured to undergo the procedure, but a woman who wants one likewise should not have to endure a hard-sell method such as many states are trying to institute to dissuade women from exercising their right.

I suppose you could make a credible claim that I’m saying there’s no baby — IMO a pregnant woman is a *single* individual. To be sure, a pregnant woman who carries to term will *result* in two individuals, but until the moment of physical separation, IMO there’s only one individual.

larry

July 6th, 2012
2:41 pm

@ Keep. Ms Duckworth doesnt have a R next to her name. Of course , it should not matter what they have next to their name. But to some people it does . Shameful isnt it.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

July 6th, 2012
2:41 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

Here’s what John Talbot is reporting @ TPM:

“the Wall Street Journal article hints at this, that Romney was not making cash contributions to his IRA but rather parking equity shares of his companies’ investment funds there, or quite possibly putting shares of private companies that his firm bought into his 401(k).

If this happened, we need to know at what valuation Romney made these contributions as it is very easy to claim a low stated value for shares of private companies or investment funds that have no publicly available market price. If Romney purposely understated the true value of the shares he contributed to his retirement plan he could be held criminally liable.

But Romney did not stop there with his tax avoidance scheme. It appears (and appearances are all we have at this point since Romney refuses to release his tax returns until the Republican nominating process is effectively over in mid-April) that Romney then at some time, possibly at his retirement, converted his 401(k) plan into an IRA and thus permanently avoided the contribution limits on IRAs.”

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 6th, 2012
2:41 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight:

1) Sorry pal, but trying to get a Purple Heart for seeing something on the flight deck of a carrier (not even involving combat) is a slap in the face of those who truly deserved one.

2) Ms. Duckworth is to be honored for her service and what she sacrificed for her country. That is totally separate from an individual award for valor.

Carry on ……….. I’ll be in the company area all day.

Adam

July 6th, 2012
2:42 pm

Gale: For those who think a personhood amendment or a any other sort of amendment is the “fix” for SCOTUS decisions. Remember how the last attempt to amend the Constitution ended after how many years?

It’s supposed to be that difficult.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 6th, 2012
2:42 pm

0311 — “And I’m looking forward to a new president !”

It will be a long four years for you, then. ;)

Doggone/GA

July 6th, 2012
2:42 pm

“Thanks! That tells me where you stand.”

I’d be very interested in what you think it tells you about where I stand. I look forward to seeing if your crystal ball is in good working order or not.

Jefferson

July 6th, 2012
2:42 pm

td wants to be a better duckhead…he’s doing his best

catlady

July 6th, 2012
2:42 pm

It will get a No from me.

I wonder if any of these resident idiots have ever tried to work with a child who was patently unwanted and unloved? A child who will grow up hating and hurting, and soon will produce another generation of uncared-for children? Who will end up, through welfare or jail, costing us so much money (I know that will appeal to them)? As a Christian, I would support a fetus going immediately to live with the Lord than to live a life of misery. I’ve taught far too many kids who knew they were unwanted in my nearly-4-decade career.

If a woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy, it is likely because she could see she would be unable to care for it. Butt out! To those who say, “Get your hand out of my pocket!” I would say, “Get your hand out of my…”

You may not agree with me, but you don’t have to.

Our legislators have plenty of work to support the children who are wanted but not properly cared-for. They need to get busy on that.

james

July 6th, 2012
2:43 pm

Abortion is a non issue- Not sure why the republicans
keep bring up this crap– who really cares except a few
right to lifers… Im guessing 90% of the population figure
its up to the women to decide if they want it or not….

Much more important things to worry about like jobs which
seem not to be coming our way with the current leaders we
have….

Rome if you want to

July 6th, 2012
2:46 pm

Kamchak and Aqua,

Thanks!

So, as I understand it, to each of you, personhood of the baby, fetus, whatever you want to call it, is not the driving issue. In this case, I believe what you are saying is that the key issue is the rights of the mother override the rights of the child?

I would ask two questions if this is true (and if it isn’t I did not intend to try to define your position for you, please correct me as I’m sure you will):

Is there a point during the pregnancy that the rights of the child (i’ll call it that only so that I’m not stating three or four names, please tell me if you’d prefer fetus, etc.) outweigh or are equal to the rights of the mother before birth?

What specifically about the birth garners the child rights (assuming the child has rights upon birth?

What period of time after birth (if there is one) is there before the child’s rights are equal to or outweigh the mother’s rights?

Joe Hussein Mama

July 6th, 2012
2:47 pm

GG — “If this happened, we need to know at what valuation Romney made these contributions as it is very easy to claim a low stated value for shares of private companies or investment funds that have no publicly available market price. If Romney purposely understated the true value of the shares he contributed to his retirement plan he could be held criminally liable.”

Yes. This would be unethical at the very least, and a criminal matter (not civil, but CRIMINAL) at worst.

Romney needs to come clean on this in a screaming hurry; otherwise IMO he does not deserve to be on the ticket. If I were still a member of the GOP, I would insist on it, or else I would vote for another candidate entirely. This has the potential to cause a floor fight at the GOP convention.

Joe (Strummer) the Plutocrat

July 6th, 2012
2:47 pm

0311… the Constitution does not have “checks and balances” for citizens; beyond the right to vote; and obviously, John Q. Public has not really embraced this “empowering” provision of the law. this is because even when we do; lobbyists and special interest money direct the political process

John Birch

July 6th, 2012
2:48 pm

Abortion is very often the lesser of two evils. You can call it a woman’s right to control her body or an elective medical procedures and ignore the life potential of the fetus all you want, but most christians will tell you it’s still a violation of thou shalt not kill. Basically it’s Pope = no, SCOTUS = yes for fight now.

Thulsa Doom

July 6th, 2012
2:49 pm

“I suppose you could make a credible claim that I’m saying there’s no baby — IMO a pregnant woman is a *single* individual. To be sure, a pregnant woman who carries to term will *result* in two individuals, but until the moment of physical separation, IMO there’s only one individual.”

Now if someone could just explain why it is then that usually when we see in the news that a pregnant woman got murdered that the murderer gets charged with 2 counts of murder. 1 individual but 2 counts of murder. Must be liberal math at play.

John Birch

July 6th, 2012
2:49 pm

should be for right now

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

July 6th, 2012
2:50 pm

JHM

He released multiple years of tax returns (reportedly) to the McCain campaign as part of veep vetting (we saw how well that worked out)

Why not to the American people?

Makes a person go mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Rome if you want to

July 6th, 2012
2:51 pm

Doggone/GA

July 6th, 2012
2:33 pm
“Does anyone disagree that after human life is formed, that abortion should be illegal?”

It already is.

I apologize if I was presumptious. I assumed the above to mean that you agreed with the statement.

JHM,

Thanks for your clarification. So, in your opinion, the “baby” is not s seperate indiviudal untill birth?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 6th, 2012
2:51 pm

Scout, your rabbit holes and evasions are duly noted. Your failure to stand up for Ms. Duckworth who Mr. Walsh says was not a “true hero” is also noted by me and by others for what it is.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

July 6th, 2012
2:51 pm

John Birch

Life potential?

how many o~ o~ o~ o~ o~ that swim and have life potential
have you wasted?

Oscar

July 6th, 2012
2:53 pm

Granny Godzilla
________

Don’t know about John, but I don’t think any of it was a waste.

JamVet

July 6th, 2012
2:54 pm

Raise your hand if you just love the GOP’s War on Women Full Scale Legislative Assault on Women’s Rights!!

These frauds could give a flying ___ about those unborn children. You want proof? The moment the unborn are born, they are on their own.

These compassionate conservatives (HUGE LOL!) DO NOT want to know about neonatal care, daycare, Head Start, school lunches, food stamps or welfare for actual living children. Nope. No nothing for them after they exit the womb. Especially you little preschool mooches!

This is completely about the arch-conservatives demented desire to regain the power that they once had – back in the good old days – but have now lost. The power to bully women and make them toe their line.

Screw these Republican Male Masters of the Universe and their fanatical attempts to bring back their glorious quasi-fascism in this country.

They are not pro-life.

They are anti-woman.

St Simons

July 6th, 2012
2:54 pm

when the Ga Republicans (upchuck) begin to care about the zygotes
already here, I’ll take them seriously about ‘caring for the children’

no, i won’t. i won’t ever take them seriously.

This is a what people in the PR game call a “turnout model”

and this is how to defeat it –

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-stanford/personhood-mississippi_b_1191443.html

Julia

July 6th, 2012
2:54 pm

if I wanted the government in my vagina, I’d **** a Congressman,

John Birch

July 6th, 2012
2:55 pm

No Rome, what they’re saying is only libs and illegal aliens have rights. They, like the SCOTUS once ruled, believe capital punishment of murdering rapists is cruel and unusual but slaughtering the only truly innocent, the unbornm is fine. In short, their values are neither logical nor moral.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 6th, 2012
2:56 pm

Joe (Strummer) the Plutocrat :

You forget the unwritten power of “nullification”. You pay the consequences ……….. but it’s there.

AKA: The Civil Rights movement.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 6th, 2012
2:57 pm

Doom — “Now if someone could just explain why it is then that usually when we see in the news that a pregnant woman got murdered that the murderer gets charged with 2 counts of murder. 1 individual but 2 counts of murder. Must be liberal math at play.”

Because we were asked our opinions, Doom. Thanks for this opportunity to remind you to behave properly in public.

td

July 6th, 2012
2:57 pm

So what you libs are really trying to say is that you support irresponsible behavior and you do not think people should be held accountable for their actions.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 6th, 2012
2:57 pm

So, as I understand it, to each of you, personhood of the baby, fetus, whatever you want to call it, is not the driving issue. In this case, I believe what you are saying is that the key issue is the rights of the mother override the rights of the child?

Geez, I see that I must needs explain this more clearly since you keep trying to put words in my mouth.

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Joe (Strummer) the Plutocrat

July 6th, 2012
2:57 pm

Rome if… excuse interloping; your queries to kam and aqua is moot; as the SCOTUS (Roe v. Wade) doesn’t care when “life” begins. Congress has the right to declare war (drop bombs on non-white people). States have the right to employ the death penalty. citizens have the right to use lethal force in self-defense. it’s not about when life begins; but rather does “the state” or the citizen have the “right” to end a pregnancy/life in this very specific (abortion) instance. all this “what if?” and “ipso facto” nonsense is just political pandering. the real “smart move” would have been for the anti-abortion crowd to fight this battle at the state level (some states ban capital punishment, while others do not. each state has different laws concerning the use of lethal force, etc.). but as I said, the Supremes have ruled and this is now a Federal matter.

Charlesl Jones

July 6th, 2012
2:57 pm

I respectfully disagree with the claim that this is an “extremist” proposal, and I will be voting in the affirmative on the ballot question.

To me, the question goes to our basic understanding of humanity and our basic understanding of rights. Life begins at conception. This much seems obvious simply by DNA analysis. A new person, DNA-wise, is formed at conception. Once that is established, our basic understanding of rights does not permit us to deny rights to that person for any reason. Rights are not ours to grant or deny, they are inherent in every human being. It is “self evident,” according to our Founding Fathers, “that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.” So rights are not ours to give or deny – we can only choose to respect or not respect those inherent human rights. And, the Founding Fathers continued, the entire purpose of government is to “secure these rights.”

All of Mr. Bookman’s other objections can be summarized in the following phrase: “It is inconvenient for us to respect the human rights of these people.” My response, as soft as I can make it, is: “too bad.” Rights are those things which we are bound to respect regardless of whether it is convenient or not. If we could dismiss another person’s rights when it is inconvenient for us to respect them, then they would not be rights at all but mere forbearances on our part.

So as soon as he is conceived, that baby has rights, which we do not have the power to deny, and which we are bound by the very concept of rights to protect. That is why I will be voting yes on the ballot question.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 6th, 2012
2:57 pm

Adam:

19th and 21st ? Nope ……….. but the Court does mention it in here:

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-2901.pdf

Pleasant reading !!

Joe Hussein Mama

July 6th, 2012
2:58 pm

Rome — “JHM, Thanks for your clarification. So, in your opinion, the “baby” is not s seperate indiviudal untill birth?”

Correct.

jeffrey

July 6th, 2012
2:58 pm

How is this on a ballot? I just want vote for the tsplost. This seriously harshes my mellow can we poll single payer option on the democratic ballot? Who is paying for this to be put out to just some voters?

TaxPayer

July 6th, 2012
2:58 pm

A zygote has the evolutionary ability to seek out a willing and able host. The host has last and final right of refusal.

larry

July 6th, 2012
2:59 pm

If this happened, we need to know at what valuation Romney made these contributions as it is very easy to claim a low stated value for shares of private companies or investment funds that have no publicly available market price. If Romney purposely understated the true value of the shares he contributed to his retirement plan he could be held criminally liable.”

I’ve been wondering why he hasnt released this year’s tax returns. The President has released his. I would like to know the hold up.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 6th, 2012
2:59 pm

J. Birch — “No Rome, what they’re saying is only libs and illegal aliens have rights. They, like the SCOTUS once ruled, believe capital punishment of murdering rapists is cruel and unusual but slaughtering the only truly innocent, the unbornm is fine. In short, their values are neither logical nor moral.”

Purple prose much? :roll:

Thulsa Doom

July 6th, 2012
2:59 pm

The liberals have my sympathy today. I actually felt sorry for them when I read over their tortured attempts at spinning yet another embarrassingly dismal jobs report from this morning. We need 150k jobs a month just to tread water and with only roughly half of that being produced we’re actually going backwards. It was embarrassing watching you guys try to worm and wiggle and try to spin it as some sort of positive news.

One thing is for sure though. I notice that when Jay has to man up and print the obvious thread on continuing jobs reports that are humiliation enough that he at least has the common sense to put up another thread within a very short time frame after posting the jobs thread. That way the kook apologists only have to twist in the wind and make fools of themselves for as short a period of time as possible before the subject is changed to a less embarrassing thread.

Adam I figured out why you dislike EJ Moosa so much. The man completely obliterated your rather pathetic attempt to put a positive spin on the jobs report. An average of 8 new jobs per U.S. county per month under Obama. Embarrassing. Simply embarrassing.

Doggone/GA

July 6th, 2012
3:00 pm

“but most christians will tell you it’s still a violation of thou shalt not kill”

Well, I’m a Christian and I wouldn’t tell you that. My take on it is that unless, or until, any and ALL miscarriage cease…then it’s just an induced miscarriage and there is no difference between “natural” abortion and induced abortion.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 6th, 2012
3:00 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight:

Here ………. is a HERO:

Distinguished Service Cross (with oak leaf cluster)

Silver Star (with nine oak leaf clusters)

Legion of Merit (with three oak leaf clusters)

Distinguished Flying Cross

Bronze Star (with Valor Device and seven oak leaf clusters, seven of the awards for heroism)

Purple Heart (with seven oak leaf clusters)

Air Medal (with Valor device and award numeral 34, one award for heroism and 33 for aerial achievement)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hackworth

Army Commendation Medal (with Valor Device & 3 oak leaf clusters)[8]

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 6th, 2012
3:00 pm

It it true that since you don’t have to declare affiliation in Georgia, that anybody can vote in the GOP primary?

Joe Hussein Mama

July 6th, 2012
3:00 pm

td — “So what you libs are really trying to say is that you support irresponsible behavior and you do not think people should be held accountable for their actions.”

I’d be happy to have a calm, polite and collegial discussion with you on this topic, but I’m not going to engage you if you’re going to be a shrieking Richard.

Straighten up and behave, and we can talk.

Bill King

July 6th, 2012
3:01 pm

I am a airline if a fertilized egg is a person I am charging a pregnant woman for 2 seats

Thulsa Doom

July 6th, 2012
3:02 pm

Joe Mama @ 2:57,

Your answer is non-responsive. Try again.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 6th, 2012
3:02 pm

C. Jones — “So as soon as he is conceived, that baby has rights, which we do not have the power to deny, and which we are bound by the very concept of rights to protect. That is why I will be voting yes on the ballot question.”

If the GOP didn’t expend so much time, effort and money trying to *deny* rights to others, I might be able to give your argument some credence.

JamVet

July 6th, 2012
3:03 pm

The real Joe Walsh (not that gutless piece of trash congressman) played a one-hour benefit concert for Tammy Duckworth.

I predict that no way in hell does that cowardly embarrassment to this country retain his seat in Congress.

Here’s to hoping that other disgraceful ahole, Alan West, is also a one and doner…

Rome if you want to

July 6th, 2012
3:03 pm

Actaully, Kamchak, quite the opposite…I DON’T want to put words in your mouth, so I am repeating back what I understand you to say so that I don’t do precisely what you think I’ve done.

What you just typed is” It’s not my body and its not my decision”. I’m really not trying to be stupid, but you lost me with that. Did you mean, its my body and my decsion?

Charlesl Jones

July 6th, 2012
3:03 pm

I thought that I made a reasonable attempt to have a clam, polite, and collegial discussion on this topic. Perhaps you overlooked it?

They BOTH suck

July 6th, 2012
3:03 pm

Keep Up

As you know Scout is very selective on who he will call out for not serving, who he will condemn in terms of comments made about service, etc.

I’m sure I have missed comments of him condemning a Republican, however I am pretty sure of the one’s I have read it is always being evasive if it is a Republican but never holding back if it is a Democrat.

To his defense, I could have missed a post that doesn’t fit those categories

His right and opinion, however it isn’t very consistent to say the least

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 6th, 2012
3:03 pm

Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it! :

“It it true that since you don’t have to declare affiliation in Georgia, that anybody can vote in the GOP primary?”

Only if you are an illegal alien with no identification.

Aquagirl

July 6th, 2012
3:04 pm

Is there a point during the pregnancy that the rights of the child….outweigh or are equal to the rights of the mother before birth?

No. As I said, no one has a legal right to use another person’s body for life support. That’s reflected in our other laws. You have a right to your organs after you’re dead fer chrissakes.

What specifically about the birth garners the child rights (assuming the child has rights upon birth?

The child is no longer dependent upon the mothers internal organs, blood supply, etc. After they’re born, children are entitled to food, clothing, shelter and the like from their parents. But they still can not force mom or dad to give up part of their body. And no, I don’t buy the cries of “mah wallet iz mah body!” That’s tightwad crap. Our laws are generally clear about the distinction between your money (which can be taken for civil purposes) and your actual body (which can be imprisoned after all sorts of due process and so forth.) But notice we still grant prisoners the right to medical treatment and don’t force them to participate in medical experiments.

I have no idea what you’re trying to get at with the question about child vs. mothers “rights” after birth. Children are entitled to food, clothing, shelter, and other basics from their parents. In that sense children’s rights outweigh those of both the parents.Those are monetary things or accomplished by tasks. Nobody goes to jail for “not liking your child enough.” And nobody goes to jail for not donating a kidney to their sick kid.

They BOTH suck

July 6th, 2012
3:04 pm

Scout

“Only if you are an illegal alien with no identification.”

And how many of those cases can you name?

Thulsa Doom

July 6th, 2012
3:04 pm

“But Romney did not stop there with his tax avoidance scheme.”

Tax avoidance is legal. Tax evasion is not. Learn the difference libs.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 6th, 2012
3:05 pm

Doom — “Your answer is non-responsive. Try again.”

Rejected. No further response to you is necessary.

We were asked our opinions, and I provided mine. Your personal disagreement or discomfort with my position is irrelevant.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 6th, 2012
3:05 pm

Normal

Yes, it is true. My parents, staunch conservative, always voted in the Dem primary, but voted Republican in the general election.

But you can only vote in primary runoff elections based on which party ballot you voted in the primary.

Matti

July 6th, 2012
3:05 pm

Normal Free,

Yes. On primary day in Georgia, you don’t have to decide which ballot you want until you’re actually standing there to receive it. You don’t have to stick with the party you voted for in the last primary, either — UNLESS you’ve voting in a run-off of a primary. Then you have to stick with the one you chose that led to the run-off, because it’s the same race. Can’t cross over for the other run-off.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 6th, 2012
3:06 pm

C. Jones — “I thought that I made a reasonable attempt to have a clam, polite, and collegial discussion on this topic. Perhaps you overlooked it?

Perhaps you got your posts crossed up. I said that to td, not you.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 6th, 2012
3:06 pm

They BOTH Suck:

And you would be wrong.

I blasted Bush/Rumsfield on many occasions for the way they went into Iraq ………. on the cheap ………. with no real plan ………….. costing unnecessary American lives.

They weren’t a tenth as bad as Johnson/McNamara but I held them to account just the same.

Matti

July 6th, 2012
3:06 pm

Kamchak,

Jinx!

Joe (Strummer) the Plutocrat

July 6th, 2012
3:07 pm

0311… what is “nulification” and if it is “unwritten” it is imaginary at best. and what does the civil rights movement have to do with the Constitution?

They BOTH suck

July 6th, 2012
3:07 pm

Jay

This blog is all over the place. Time for some tunes

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 6th, 2012
3:07 pm

JamVet

July 6th, 2012
3:03 pm

Jam,

Joe Walsh would be a good subject for tonight…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljSuROOUxg8

Jefferson

July 6th, 2012
3:07 pm

A hero does not always have to be associated with soldering.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 6th, 2012
3:07 pm

Scout, are you saying by posting a link to someone you think is a “real hero” that Ms. Duckworth is not? Or are you “grading” heroism now? My hero is bigger than your hero?

Adam

July 6th, 2012
3:08 pm

Thulsa: You have my sympathy for this entire election season, since Obamacare was upheld and you were unable to stop it. It’s here to stay. But you’re still not getting my vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il1vY2IQATs

Charlesl Jones

July 6th, 2012
3:08 pm

I am aware that you said it not to me; I was rather interjecting and asking if you were interested in the said calm, collegial, etc., discussion with me.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 6th, 2012
3:08 pm

Matti

July 6th, 2012
3:05 pm

Thanks Matti,

I’m voting against….

Thulsa Doom

July 6th, 2012
3:08 pm

“What
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I
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am
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saying
is
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that
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its
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not
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my
body
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so
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it’s
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not
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decision.”

Liberals forever expanding the frontiers of simpleton logic.

Rome if you want to

July 6th, 2012
3:08 pm

Aqua,

Thanks. At this point, I’m really not trying to get an anything other than an understanding of your position. There are those who I have seen argue that a baby is just as dependant on the mother after birth than before birth, and equate the two…I just wanted to understand what makes them different (if they are) in your mind.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 6th, 2012
3:09 pm

They BOTH Suck:

I can’t. They didn’t have any ID !!

Erwin's cat

July 6th, 2012
3:09 pm

james Im guessing 90% of the population figure
its up to the women to decide if they want it or not….

I’m guessing if you had a 50/50 chance of getting that right, there’s a 90% chance you’d be wrong

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 6th, 2012
3:09 pm

Did you mean, its my body and my decsion[sic]?

If you want an abortion, then yes.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 6th, 2012
3:10 pm

TBS, no disagreement there.

Adam

July 6th, 2012
3:11 pm

Government has no business telling people how to live their own lives, in private. Isn’t that something the GOP is supposed to support?

How about speech: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/15/michigan-politician-banned-using-word-vagina

How about religious freedom: http://thinkprogress.org/education/2012/07/06/511715/louisiana-republican-religious-islamic-schools/

They BOTH suck

July 6th, 2012
3:11 pm

Scout

Excuse me. I apologize that I didn’t clarify myself to the extent that was needed.

I meant in regards to who served and who didn’t serve and also those who make negative comments about people who have served. Was not speaking about policy, etc. Sorry that I didn’t provide ample details.

With that said, I stick my statement. You seem to be evasive as another blogger put it and offer reasons (excuses) when it comes to condemning Republicans, but if a Democrat didn’t serve or says something stupid…… you are quick to post and reply

Joe (Strummer) the Plutocrat

July 6th, 2012
3:11 pm

bumper stickers

If you believe abortion is wrong; don’t have one.

Life begins at conception and ends when you are denied medical coverage because of a pre-existing condition.

TaxPayer

July 6th, 2012
3:11 pm

I blasted Bush/Rumsfield on many occasions and here are two links to prove it. :lol:

Okay, I made a funny.

They BOTH suck

July 6th, 2012
3:12 pm

“I can’t. They didn’t have any ID !!”

You know it happened, yet you have nothing to back up your assertion.

Ok

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 6th, 2012
3:12 pm

A modest proposal

July 6th, 2012
3:12 pm

They are small and defenseless. They can’t fight back. Let’s just kill them all.
Better yet, there are hunger problems with the economy being so bad. A little salt and sauce?Jonathan Swift would be proud of us.

Thulsa Doom

July 6th, 2012
3:13 pm

Adam,

Obamacare? I gots no problem with ACA- its already putting the ca-ching ca-chang in my pocket. You and other liberals are going to have a helluva lot bigger problem paying for it then I will. Good luck with the working class poor people and lower middle class folks paying those premiums. And just remember- you voted for it! We’ll see how proud you are of it in around 2014. I suspect you will be making the same tortured, embarrassing spins on it that you were making this morning over the jobs report. Again. You have my sympathy sir.

Rome if you want to

July 6th, 2012
3:13 pm

Kamchak,

Its the cause behind that statement I’m attempting to understand.

Its my body and my decision because:

a) my rights outweigh the rights of the fetus
b) that fetus isn’t human untill its born
c) all of the above
d) another reason

Thanks!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 6th, 2012
3:13 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight:

It’s very simple:

I’m saying that to be a “hero” in the military sense is to receive an award for valor.

There are many other things one can be honored and admired for.

They BOTH suck

July 6th, 2012
3:14 pm

“very consistent to say the least”

meant to type ” very consistently inconsistent to say the least”

Jefferson

July 6th, 2012
3:14 pm

Obamacare? I gots no problem with ACA- its already putting the ca-ching ca-chang in my pocket. You and other liberals are going to have a helluva lot bigger problem paying for it then I will. Good luck with the working class poor people and lower middle class folks paying those premiums. And just remember- you voted for it! We’ll see how proud you are of it in around 2014. I suspect you will be making the same tortured, embarrassing spins on it that you were making this morning over the jobs report. Again. You have my sympathy sir.

Spoken like a true republican !!!!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 6th, 2012
3:15 pm

They BOTH suck @ 3:11

And again, I would disagree with you on that.

Thulsa Doom

July 6th, 2012
3:15 pm

A modest proposal beat me to it. Libs should at least advocate the jonothan swift proposal. We could feed those 1 in 4 hungry people in America that Adam seems to think exist.

They BOTH suck

July 6th, 2012
3:15 pm

Gandy @ 3:14

Might be best to get yourself a fainting couch ready for election day.

Just sayn

Jefferson

July 6th, 2012
3:16 pm

Sums it up == FU, its all about me — the GOP creed.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 6th, 2012
3:16 pm

A modest proposal

July 6th, 2012
3:12 pm

Yep, collect enough of them and you’re got…

http://history.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/07/01/funny-pictures-history-human-bullion/
3:12 pm

Thulsa Doom

July 6th, 2012
3:17 pm

Jefferson, You voted for it. Own it. And when you can’t afford the premiums don’t coming crying to us to pay your premium for you.

the cat

July 6th, 2012
3:17 pm

Within all the hateful vitriol one thing I just don’t understand is calling Mrs. Obama chunky, fat, etc. What is she, maybe a size 8 or 10? We all should have her wonderful figure.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 6th, 2012
3:17 pm

Kamchak,

Its the cause behind that statement I’m attempting to understand.

Its my body and my decision because:

It’s your decision.

Not mine.

Not anyone else’s.

I don’t see how I can make it any clearer than that.

Jefferson

July 6th, 2012
3:18 pm

No, we will get the money FROM YOU to pay, doomer.

TaxPayer

July 6th, 2012
3:18 pm

Republicans also have the right to taint their own air and their own water and their own peanut butter but that right does not extend to what goes in my body.

They BOTH suck

July 6th, 2012
3:19 pm

Scout @ 3:15

I can only go by the exchanges you and I have had and reading other exchanges you have had with others, such as the one about the Repub in IL.

If a Dem had said those very things, you would be all over that person and rightfully so. It is a Repub so you acknowledge the service of the Dem, but don’t seem to quick to ridicule the statements of the Republican.

St Simons

July 6th, 2012
3:20 pm

“what you libs are really trying to say is that you support irresponsible behavior and you do not think people should be blahblah…..”

I think YOU jus said a lot about your control issues