George Orwell explains the Romney campaign

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Mitt Romney reversed course yet again Wednesday, announcing that yes, the financial penalty used to enforce ObamaCare must be considered a tax. As a consequence of that redefinition, “the American people know that President Obama has broken the pledge he made; he said he wouldn’t raise taxes on middle-income Americans,” Romney told CBS News.

On the other hand, Romney insisted, the almost identical financial penalty that is used to enforce Romney’s almost identical health-insurance program in Massachusetts was somehow NOT a tax increase because … well, just because.

How could that be?

I have no earthly idea. Perhaps the only way to understand Romney’s claim is to note that it comes from the same mind that harshly criticized President Obama’s plan to rescue the Detroit automakers, yet later swooped in to announce that “I’ll take a lot of credit” for the success of the plan that he had claimed to hate.

That bizarre argument in turn becomes more comprehensible if you recall how Romney first attacked President Obama for not intervening aggressively in Libya, and a few weeks later turned around and attacked him for, well, intervening aggressively in Libya.

Likewise, he criticized Obama for seeking the removal of Moammar Gaddafi, predicting that the president was setting himself up for “massive strategic failure.” A few weeks later, when Gaddafi’s ouster was completed, Romney announced his complete support for the removal of “one of the worst actors on the world stage, responsible for terror around the world.”

The examples go on and on, from immigration reform to education to Afghanistan. One of Romney’s favorite themes is to condemn Obama for not providing clear leadership on such issues, then refusing to explain what he, as a supposedly strong, determined leader, would do differently.

George Orwell

George Orwell

George Orwell, in his novel “1984″, provides us a name for this terrible illness afflicting Romney. He called it “doublethink,” “the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”

As Orwell puts it:

“To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, … to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself — that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed.”

The world of reality and the world of politics are often at odds. That is true of all politicians of all ideologies, from President Obama down to city council candidates. But I cannot recall a politician for whom reality has been more malleable than it is for Mitt Romney. To borrow from Orwell, he expects us to forget what he said yesterday, and then to forget that we’ve forgotten.

– Jay Bookman

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stands for decibels

July 5th, 2012
9:45 am

No animal shall sleep in a bed WITH SHEETS.

Adam

July 5th, 2012
9:45 am

I’m glad I was sitting down when I found out Romney reversed his position on something.

ty webb

July 5th, 2012
9:46 am

“…enforce Romney’s almost identical health-insurance program in Massachusetts…”

Two completely different laws described as “almost identical”…good one, Jay.

stands for decibels

July 5th, 2012
9:47 am

Two completely different laws

True. The Obama version doesn’t have $50 abortions

Joe Hussein Mama

July 5th, 2012
9:48 am

NEWS FLASH

Romney campaign announces campaign theme song:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip,_Flop_and_Fly

Jefferson

July 5th, 2012
9:48 am

What it is — LAW.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 5th, 2012
9:48 am

Mitt lied! (again)

Joe Hussein Mama

July 5th, 2012
9:49 am

T. Webb — “Two completely different laws described as “almost identical”…good one, Jay”

Love to see you show us some *substantive* differences between the two, Cowboy.

Brosephus™

July 5th, 2012
9:49 am

But I cannot recall a politician for whom reality has been more malleable than it is for Mitt Romney.

As much as I’ve dogged Obama for having the appearance of a dog rolling over on it’s belly for anybody to give him attention by rubbing his belly, Romney is trying to out-Obama the president.

stands for decibels

July 5th, 2012
9:49 am

No animal shall kill another animal WITHOUT CAUSE

Lord Help Us

July 5th, 2012
9:50 am

I have been trying to assess Romney and how he would govern if elected.

I look at his record in Mass and see a reasonable approach to governing, but his fealty to the GOP and its current reality-challenged rhetoric gives me pause.

I am thankful that, compared with the other candidates for the GOP nomination, the least scary candidate is headed to the nomination…

Adam

July 5th, 2012
9:50 am

Mitt lied. He said it wasn’t a tax! Now he says it’s a tax! WHAT A HYPOCRITE!

See how that works, fellas? Now go ahead and defend your boy….

JamVet

July 5th, 2012
9:52 am

That bizarre argument in turn becomes more comprehensible…

When explaining the mercurial Mitt’s capricious cravenness, the word that comes to mind for me rhymes with that choice, Jay.

Reprehensible.

His spine must be a medical wonder…

ty webb

July 5th, 2012
9:52 am

and yet Jay excuses Obama’s “reversals” as mere “protest votes”.

larry

July 5th, 2012
9:52 am

And people gave John Kerry a hard time for being for something then being against it, then being for it again.

Jefferson

July 5th, 2012
9:52 am

Romney is not very well liked.

Lord Help Us

July 5th, 2012
9:53 am

‘Two completely different laws described as “almost identical”’

DOUBLETHINK…how apropos…

Joe Hussein Mama

July 5th, 2012
9:53 am

Romney = Kerry = flip-flopping Massachusetts Librul

JamVet

July 5th, 2012
9:54 am

Two completely different laws…

Guffaw…

In 2008, when Romney was running for president for the first time, ABC News host Charlie Gibson asked him during a New Hampshire debate, “Governor … you imposed tax penalties in Massachusetts?” Romney replied, “Yes, we said, look, if people can afford to buy it, either buy the insurance or pay your own way; don’t be free riders.” It was the same debate in which he infamously declared, “I like mandates.”

JohnnyReb

July 5th, 2012
9:54 am

“Frankly, if you read The Great Destroyer you’ll understand immediately why conservatives who may not care much for Mitt Romney have rallied to him against Barack Obama.” – Erick Erickson

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/06/12/the-great-destroyer/

Adam

July 5th, 2012
9:55 am

Brosephus: In my estimation Obama has had more leadership than most anyone gives him credit for:

Libya – no fly zone, no troops
Osama bin Laden – It was the SEALs, in Pakistan, with a gun. All given a “go” by Obama
Health care – Obvious political loser, still got it done and upheld anyway

I could go on but it seems the only kind of leadership recognized anymore is some sort of romanticized and b*stardized version of leadership. Obama is pretty smart and leads on a lot of things people think he doesn’t lead on, while they reap all of the benefits of his leadership. It’s pretty sick, but it also shows the media isn’t in the tank for Obama since everyone buys this BS about him not being a leader.

(Blog bluenose hated the word b*stard)

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

July 5th, 2012
9:55 am

two completely different laws….

50 dollar abortions?

do they direct the medical waste to Stericycle?

Sounds like another money maker for Mitt.

Brosephus™

July 5th, 2012
9:55 am

LHU

That aspect of Romney is what gives me pause. I think that he would be pragmatic, but given the current state of Congress, he’ll bend and snap faster than a pine tree in an EF5 tornado if he were elected president. We would basically be at the whims of the Far Righties in Congress.

TM

July 5th, 2012
9:55 am

Kinda like Obama this is not a tax unless I need it to get the law passed. Or the first thing I will do as President is close the base at Gitmo, 3/1/2 years later he still has it under his command. Or justice requires public trials in US courts for terrorist. Seems like this disease targets those running for higher office.

JamVet

July 5th, 2012
9:55 am

larry, I have written before that this guy makes Kerry look like the Rock of Gibraltar when it comes to flip flopping.

At least John McCain had some principles…

Common Sense

July 5th, 2012
9:56 am

“To borrow from Orwell, he expects us to forget what he said yesterday, and then to forget that we’ve forgotten.”

Are you referring to Obama’s anti-mandate rhetoric when running against Hillary?

carlosgvv

July 5th, 2012
9:56 am

After George W. Bush’s second election, Republicans became convienced that “doublethink” was the way to go. They realized the conservative electorate had dumbed down sufficiently to accept this kind of thinking without question. Add to this a desperate yearning this electorate has for a whiter White House and doublethink will fly like a bird in this campaign.

Joseph

July 5th, 2012
9:57 am

I got an idea Jay for you and your loon followers. Romneycare didn’t go before the Supreme Court and be affirmed as a tax. Obamacare did… So Romney can say that his plan is a penalty as is stated in the bill. By the way… How’s those job numbers going to look tomorrow? Looks like more bad news thanks to Obama’s failed policies… Rumor has it they are dropping another 150,000 people from the rolls so as not to show negative job growth….

Jay

July 5th, 2012
9:57 am

Please Ty, explain to the rest of us the many ways in which these two laws are “completely different.”

And while doing so, explain how Mitt Romney, in 2009, could write an op-ed urging Obama to follow the model that Romney established in Massachusetts:

“We established incentives for those who were uninsured to buy insurance. Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages ‘free riders’ to take responsibility for themselves, rather than pass their medical costs on others.”

Steve

July 5th, 2012
9:57 am

Flip flopping magic underwear wearing Mitty Rich Romney.

Lord Help Us

July 5th, 2012
9:58 am

‘ Or the first thing I will do as President is close the base at Gitmo, 3/1/2 years later he still has it under his command.’

Is there an Orwell’ism’ for whining about an unkept promise that you were against in the first place?

stands for decibels

July 5th, 2012
9:58 am

and yet Jay excuses Obama’s “reversals” as mere “protest votes”.

Welcome to TyWorld. Where an individual mandate in a state law is “completely different” from an individual mandate in a federal law, but a vote as a Senator is exactly the same as advocating for specific legislation and signing it into law. (and having it included in your official portrait.)

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oh, and…

No animal shall drink alcohol TO EXCESS

Joe Hussein Mama

July 5th, 2012
9:58 am

TM — “Or the first thing I will do as President is close the base at Gitmo, 3/1/2 years later he still has it under his command.”

You probably were home sick from school that day, but Congress refused to appropriate one red cent for the closure of Gitmo. Without funds to do it, the President’s hands are tied.

If you need any help understanding other binds the Republicans have placed the President in, you go right ahead and ask me, Punkin.

Steve

July 5th, 2012
9:58 am

Joseph, that’s quite the stretch you’ve made there…but keep telling yourself that your twisted logic makes sense if it makes you feel better.

Talking Head

July 5th, 2012
9:59 am

Obama is an Orwell created character.

Brosephus™

July 5th, 2012
9:59 am

Adam

I give him credit for some things. However, Obama has the tendency to allow his spine to turn to jello when it comes to direct confrontation with the far Right in DC. There’s a time to seek consensus by giving up things, and there’s a time to stand firm in your position. I just don’t get the impression that Obama has a full grasp of when to do those things.

Lord Help Us

July 5th, 2012
9:59 am

‘Are you referring to Obama’s anti-mandate rhetoric when running against Hillary?’

Now THAT is a fair dig…IMO

stands for decibels

July 5th, 2012
9:59 am

All IRAs are equal, but some IRAs are more equal than others.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

July 5th, 2012
9:59 am

Flip Romney the face of the GOP con game..

JamVet

July 5th, 2012
9:59 am

“I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country” ~Mitt Romney

“I am firmly pro-life.” ~Mitt Romney

Hell, given his own words, the man would not even have tried to go after Osama bin Laden. Much less kill him.

Weak as water…

They BOTH suck

July 5th, 2012
10:00 am

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

July 5th, 2012
10:00 am

This “doublethink” is very common among Republicans.

For Example.

John Kerry who was wounded in combat .. Well he was a wind boarding sissy.

George W Bush who had his Daddy keep him as far from danger as possible … Well he is the ” Man’s Man ”

Only in the Republican mind are such delusions possible.

stands for decibels

July 5th, 2012
10:01 am

Obama is an Orwell created character.

A neat trick for a guy who died 11 years before Obama was born.

Joseph

July 5th, 2012
10:01 am

They BOTH suck:

That’s supposed to be a joke right???

Steve

July 5th, 2012
10:02 am

How did Mitt Romney avoid the draft?

Answer:
Mitt Romney received a two year religious deferment to serve as a missionary in France. When he returned he was issued a draft card, but his number was never called up.

JamVet

July 5th, 2012
10:02 am

They realized the conservative electorate had dumbed down sufficiently to accept this kind of thinking without question.

carlos, I’ve read where Jewish scholars refer to this as the GOP’s new “anti-intellectualism”.

i.e. these Romney folks are not the sharpest knives in the drawer…

stands for decibels

July 5th, 2012
10:02 am

(of course “George Orwell” was an Eric Blair created character.)

From the Center

July 5th, 2012
10:03 am

the SCOTUS said it is a tax so it is a tax

They BOTH suck

July 5th, 2012
10:03 am

Bro @ 9:59

I agree and it shows him to be not much more than a run of the mill politician. He has faced some obstacles, however he has also folded like a cheap suit at times.

But when I look at the big picture, I must look at the options before me

Woodstock Mike

July 5th, 2012
10:03 am

Why do Democrats hate July 4th? Very interesting…

I’m so sick of listening to Democrats about how terrible America is, just leave if you hate America. Why don’t they just leave?

Adam

July 5th, 2012
10:03 am

Is there an Orwell’ism’ for whining about an unkept promise that you were against in the first place?

THIS

Rightwing Troll

July 5th, 2012
10:03 am

“I look at his record in Mass and see a reasonable approach to governing, but his fealty to the GOP and its current reality-challenged rhetoric gives me pause.

I am thankful that, compared with the other candidates for the GOP nomination, the least scary candidate is headed to the nomination…”

Two points…

Your first point is correct. Too bad he doesn’t have the fortitude to be THAT man anymore, but I s’pose if he did, he wouldn’t be the nominee in this bizarro world of the GOP wingnuts…

Secondly, don’t be suprised if an extreme wingnut makes a run at the nomination just before and during the wingnut shootout in Tampa… I could be wrong, but I still believe Palin might make a run at the last minute..

St Simons

July 5th, 2012
10:03 am

these Republicans are impervious to embarrassment
they have developed a shield
i think its in the hair gel

Thomas Heyward Jr.

July 5th, 2012
10:03 am

“That is true of all politicians of all ideologies, from President Obama down to city council candidates.”
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True for Obama/Romney-type parasitic corrupt politicians.
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Not true for leaders.
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Ron Paul 2012…………Stop State-Sponsored violence.

True Conservative

July 5th, 2012
10:03 am

Romney is a RINO and no better than Ombarma when it comes to being a True Conservative. He will turn on us just like that SCOTUS turn-coat, Roberts!!!

JamVet

July 5th, 2012
10:04 am

Of all the staggeringly stupid things the man has said, these are the five words that make him unfit to lead;

Corporations are people, my friend.

And i for one, am going to thoroughly enjoy the countless Dave R-like, fake conservative meltdowns come this November

Jay

July 5th, 2012
10:04 am

Common, Obama has repeatedly and publicly acknowledged that change, beginning back in July 2009 when CBS asked him whether he had changed his mind about whether “each individual American should be required to have health insurance.”

“I have come to that conclusion,” Obama replied. “During the campaign I was opposed to this idea because my general attitude was the reason people don’t have health insurance is not because they don’t want it, it’s because they can’t afford it. And if you make it affordable, then they’ll come. I am now in favor of some sort of individual mandate as long as there’s a hardship exemption.”

He’s not asking anybody to just pretend that earlier position just never happened.

Brosephus™

July 5th, 2012
10:04 am

dB @ 10:01

You didn’t get your last memo, huh? The memo revealed how time travelers went back and fabricated Obama’s birth records and everything else. He was actually born with a different name and about 20 years earlier. Orwell re-named him and created the entire storyline for his life. Orwell’s time travelers simply went back and forth as needed to keep everything in line. :)

TM

July 5th, 2012
10:05 am

“You probably were home sick from school that day, but Congress refused to appropriate one red cent for the closure of Gitmo. Without funds to do it, the President’s hands are tied” But but but I may have been home from school.that day but the day before they told me the Democrats had control of both houses of Congress and the office of President, so this must have been the Republican’s fault.

ty webb

July 5th, 2012
10:05 am

“Please Ty, explain to the rest of us the many ways in which these two laws are “completely different.””

a sad day indeed…I could see such nonsense coming from your flock, but surely not from you Jay…the fact of the matter is that both laws are completely different.

They BOTH suck

July 5th, 2012
10:05 am

Joseph

Quit being the court jester and the one who longs and yearns for attention everyday from Jay or whomever

You brought up and issue and without touting it in a negative or positive way, I provided you the answer

If you want to trash the numbers, do what you must

Adam

July 5th, 2012
10:05 am

They BOTH suck: If that is true, and this Friday’s report reflects positive numbers, then I retract my statement that the GOP headline would be “gas prices and jobs.” It will instead be “gas prices” (because, frankly, those are about to shoot up).

Mr. Snarky

July 5th, 2012
10:05 am

Mitt Romney = King of the Weasels
Just par for the course…Obama campaigned on implementing healthcare reform and he delivered, and the cons are shocked! shocked! Surely the peeps will see through their BS.

stands for decibels

July 5th, 2012
10:05 am

ooh, check it out. Hot Plutocrat-on-Plutocrat action!

In an editorial in Thursday’s newspaper, the Wall Street Journal blasted what it cast as Romney’s “tax confusion” and accused him of “squandering an historic opportunity” to gain ground against Mr. Obama in the presidential race.

“If Mitt Romney loses his run for the White House, a turning point will have been his decision Monday to absolve President Obama of raising taxes on the middle class,” reads the editorial in the conservative newspaper. “He is managing to turn the only possible silver lining in Chief Justice John Roberts’s ObamaCare salvage operation–that the mandate to buy insurance or pay a penalty is really a tax–into a second political defeat.”

Joe Hussein Mama

July 5th, 2012
10:06 am

Woodstock Mike — “Why do Democrats hate July 4th?”

Why do conservatives make stuff up out of whole cloth?

Talking Head

July 5th, 2012
10:06 am

Doublethink:

Obama calling Bush ‘unpatriotic’ for running up a deficit, and then Obama running up 3 consecutive deficits of over $1 trillion each year.

Adam

July 5th, 2012
10:06 am

ty: a sad day indeed…I could see such nonsense coming from your flock, but surely not from you Jay…the fact of the matter is that both laws are completely different.

They are very similar. Please detail in which ways they are different. DON’T WAIT FOR THE TRANSLATION. ANSWER ME NOW

Lord Help Us

July 5th, 2012
10:06 am

I have said it before…tax or penalty is ONLY semantics…the end result is the same before and after the SCOTUS ruling.

It is also interesting that this issue has vanished from the headlines of FOX and DRUDGE…seems the GOP and their echo chambers have sensed that this dog won’t hunt in the long run…

They BOTH suck

July 5th, 2012
10:06 am

“the fact of the matter is that both laws are completely different.”

Yet with all you knowledge you are unwilling or unable to tell us all about the differences

Jefferson

July 5th, 2012
10:07 am

With a income tax increase on the most weathy to go along, we can call it a “full Cleveland”.

massachusetts refugee

July 5th, 2012
10:07 am

one of the things i find most humorous in this mandate “debate” is the right sputtering and stumbling all over themselves “..but but obama lied!!” when did the conned EVER believe anything they heard the President say? Ever?

Joe Hussein Mama

July 5th, 2012
10:07 am

TM — “But but but I may have been home from school.that day but the day before they told me the Democrats had control of both houses of Congress and the office of President, so this must have been the Republican’s fault.”

This part: “the Democrats had control of both houses of Congress”

Has been debunked here many times. Pay attention, please. Otherwise you’ll have to stay after class.

Joseph

July 5th, 2012
10:07 am

Steve:

Did I not state facts? I realize sometimes they get in the way but what I said is completely true… Obamacare was deemed to be a tax by the Supreme Court. Romneycare hasn’t been challenged hence is still deemed a penalty. There is a difference between a state level law and a federal law. You libs do know there’s a difference don’t you???

Joe Hussein Mama

July 5th, 2012
10:08 am

T. Webb — “a sad day indeed…I could see such nonsense coming from your flock, but surely not from you Jay…the fact of the matter is that both laws are completely different.”

Okay, then, you should have no problem showing us how they’re so different, then.

Hop to it.

Pass the Cheesy Grits Please

July 5th, 2012
10:08 am

a sad day indeed…I could see such nonsense coming from your flock, but surely not from you Jay…the fact of the matter is that both laws are completely different.

Notice he doesn’t explain how they are different.

Credibility….. Zero

Adam

July 5th, 2012
10:09 am

I have said it before…tax or penalty is ONLY semantics…the end result is the same before and after the SCOTUS ruling.

THIS

Actually it’s a little weaker than “It’s unconstitutional.” But still, THIS.

bman.

July 5th, 2012
10:09 am

Adam .. .. I may have the wrong person, but didn’t you say back in Jan or Feb that the economy would be doing a lot better by summer?

Jefferson

July 5th, 2012
10:09 am

Only 1 justice was saying tax, the one that counted. The rest were amazed and some were mad.

They BOTH suck

July 5th, 2012
10:09 am

“I’m so sick of listening to Democrats about how terrible America is, just leave if you hate America. Why don’t they just leave?”

All that sickness is really just heartburn from listening to too much talk radio. Talk a few tums and you will be just fine

:-)

Brosephus™

July 5th, 2012
10:10 am

They BOTH

This election, in my opinion, is choosing between the jellyfish we already know vs the remote-controlled jellyfish we don’t know.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

July 5th, 2012
10:10 am

The real woodstock is in N.Y.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 5th, 2012
10:10 am

T. Head — “Doublethink:”

“Deficits don’t matter.”

–Vice President Dick Cheney

Adam

July 5th, 2012
10:10 am

Obamacare was deemed to be a PENALTY by the Supreme Court, which is constitutional under the same taxing authority that allows tax exemptions.

FYT. Not that it matters, because only the conservative base would fall for such nonsense as OMG TAX! HIDE UNDER THE BED!

Joseph

July 5th, 2012
10:10 am

One huge difference between Obamacare and Romneycare is that the people excepted Romneycare while resoundingly reject Obamacare…

RB from Gwinnett

July 5th, 2012
10:10 am

Libs, you have a log in your own eye and it looks a lot like Obama.

Yes, Romney has a problem with his bill being similar to Obama’s, but he’s not the man who promised he wouldn’t raise taxes on anybody making less than $250 K. Romney could call the penalty chicken soup and it wouldnt change the fact Obama dumped one of the largest tax increases in history on ALL the people in the middle of a recession. Own that one libs.

Rightwing Troll

July 5th, 2012
10:10 am

“He’s not asking anybody to just pretend that earlier position just never happened.”

sadly, Mittens doesn’t have to even ASK that of his wingnut supporters… they just DO without any questions…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

July 5th, 2012
10:11 am

TM

“before they told me the Democrats had control of both houses of Congress ”

Which “they” is that? You best be careful.

Cause I wouldn’t buy a used car or acreage from such a liar.

ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT

July 5th, 2012
10:11 am

Obama is a Leader vs Romney the follower. You pick

Jay

July 5th, 2012
10:11 am

“… the fact of the matter is that both laws are completely different.”

So you have asserted twice now. And this will make twice that I have requested evidence that they are “completely different”.

Explain to us how Jonathan Gruber, the MIT economist who advised Romney on his plan, is wrong when he said:

“The truth is that the Affordable Care Act is essentially based on what we accomplished in Massachusetts. It’s the same basic structure applied nationally. John McDonough, one of the other advisors who worked in both Massachusetts and advised the White House, said it’s the Massachusetts bill with three more zeros, and that’s basically a good description of what the federal bill did.”

Gruber, who helped write RomneyCare, doesn’t seem to think that they are “completely different.” John McDonough, who worked on both bills, doesn’t think they are “completely different.” Quite the contrary.

So please, explain to us all how you are right and Gruber, McDonough and Romney himself are wrong.

ty webb

July 5th, 2012
10:11 am

the two laws are completely different and the sun rose in the east this morning…two irrefutable facts.

Joe Hussein Mama

July 5th, 2012
10:12 am

RB — “Yes, Romney has a problem with his bill being similar to Obama’s, but he’s not the man who promised he wouldn’t raise taxes on anybody making less than $250 K. Romney could call the penalty chicken soup and it wouldnt change the fact Obama dumped one of the largest tax increases in history on ALL the people in the middle of a recession. Own that one libs.”

Solution — buy some health insurance. Tax goes away. Republican objection evaporates.

Next concern troll, plz.

Lord Help Us

July 5th, 2012
10:12 am

‘ALL the people in the middle of a recession.’

How does something so easily debunked get touted so often…

Jefferson

July 5th, 2012
10:12 am

RB, did you get the flavor popsicle you wanted ?

Steve

July 5th, 2012
10:12 am

Hmmm… MIT Economist or “ty webb”. Who to believe? (snort)

Rightwing Troll

July 5th, 2012
10:12 am

“a sad day indeed…I could see such nonsense coming from your flock, but surely not from you Jay…the fact of the matter is that both laws are completely different.”

Humor us slow-witted liburals, and give us a quick rundown of the difference, should be like shooting fish in barrel (apparently)…

Joe Hussein Mama

July 5th, 2012
10:12 am

T. Webb — “the two laws are completely different”

Great. Show us how, Ty.

Adam

July 5th, 2012
10:13 am

bman: I may have the wrong person, but didn’t you say back in Jan or Feb that the economy would be doing a lot better by summer?

I don’t remember saying that but I might have.

The economy is steadily improving, as it has been for a while now. There are some conflicting indicators, however. DOW is up, manufacturing down. Gas prices are down, but housing sales are up. It’s a lot to keep track of but I think net result is growth. “Not good” is all I hear from those who are complaining. But one thing is for sure, it’s not terrible and anyone who tells you it is has an agenda.

They BOTH suck

July 5th, 2012
10:14 am

Ty

It is ok. If you need to google, yahoo,or bing the talking points that you have forgotten, take a moment to do so.

Adam

July 5th, 2012
10:14 am

Yes, Romney has a problem with his bill being similar to Obama’s, but he’s not the man who promised he wouldn’t raise taxes on anybody making less than $250 K.

It’s like you people can’t fathom a person understanding that paying taxes is a necessity if they want effective government….

ty webb

July 5th, 2012
10:14 am

ah yes, first “almost identical”…then “a model”…and now “essentially based on”…