At the nexus of neology, theology, technology
We’ve all experienced it, and most of us have probably done it:
You’re talking with someone in a social or business situation and a cell phone rings. Maybe it’s your phone; maybe it’s the other person’s. Either way, the previous conversation ends abruptly, because in the modern communications hierarchy the outside phone call or text message generally takes priority over mere face-to-face, human-to-human interaction.
Sure, it’s rude. But most people do it anyway, sometimes with a quick word of apology to the ignored party, but often not. And while some may not find the practice socially acceptable, the battle against it is quickly being lost.
Loading ...It is, in other words, an increasingly common aspect of modern life. But as far as I can determine, we have invented no term for it. And to tame it, we must name it.
That claim might sound odd to some, but for millenia experts in the human psyche have understood the power of naming. Once given a name, any danger somehow becomes less frightening. Once something is named, our brains can begin to plot to bring it under control.
It is no accident that in the book of Genesis, the animals are brought to Adam one by one so that he can name them, and by doing so establish dominance over them. In some sects, the fact that Adam was granted the right to name Eve is still cited as evidence that God intended man to be superior to woman.
Conversely, in the Jewish tradition the name of G-d can neither be uttered nor written, because He cannot and should not be captured in a word.
So, back to the original question: What do we call this phenomenon? We can’t develop social norms for something that we can’t even name. The phrase used above, “technological capture,” might be descriptive but it is also bulky and awkward. I don’t think it’s going to catch on.
Therefore, I propose the problem be “crowdsourced,” itself a new phenomenon that could not be understood until it was named. Suggest a term and throw it out, to see what catches on. Earn a little bit of immortality by making a contribution to the English language.
My own lame proposal is to call it an “e-ruption,” with the verb form “e-rupt”. As in, “it’s rude to e-rupt a conversation.” Or “don’t e-rupt me, bro.” Or “the conversation was so boring that I had to fake an e-ruption to escape.”
– Jay Bookman
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stands for decibels
July 2nd, 2012
3:11 pm
hmm. Lemme try Jay’s suggestion it in a sentence…
“For e-ruptions lasting more than four hours, seek tech support help immediately.”
Yep. Works for me.
Doggone/GA
July 2nd, 2012
3:13 pm
Jay – you left out in interruption: the breaking off of conversations on one blog, in order to move to a new one!
JamVet
July 2nd, 2012
3:14 pm
I’m Joe Bidening Brosephus.
Call it jackassery…
Paul
July 2nd, 2012
3:15 pm
Jay
Heh heh heh. Good one.
How ’bout ‘techout” or “tek-out”? Use technology to take yourself out of the current situation.
It has the added advantage of subliminally suggesting ‘takeout’ which means food which means Americans are already predisposed to adopt it.
getalife
July 2nd, 2012
3:15 pm
Rude is all the rage.
You might want to write about Syria and the deal Clinton warned might fail.
What a freaking mess,
Reminds me of Iraq.
GT
July 2nd, 2012
3:16 pm
Ain’t got nothing…
Paul
July 2nd, 2012
3:16 pm
Steve Atl
Downstairs.
Sheesh…….
stands for decibels
July 2nd, 2012
3:17 pm
Well, Obamacare is now official, which means
The term “e-rupt” also applies to off-topic copy/paste spammers, yes?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
3:17 pm
Or “the conversation was so boring that I had to fake an e-ruption to escape.”
She was so ugly, my wingman had to e-rupt.
Paul
July 2nd, 2012
3:17 pm
Jay
We also need a term to describe what Steve Atl attempted.
Something more penetrating than ‘hijack.”
stands for decibels
July 2nd, 2012
3:17 pm
It’s not so easy to fake an e-ruption.
ty webb
July 2nd, 2012
3:19 pm
“e-ruptions” is a term that would be better used to describe an action that results from looking at too much internet porn.
g spot
July 2nd, 2012
3:19 pm
THATS A CLOWN ARTICLE BRO
stands for decibels
July 2nd, 2012
3:19 pm
“e-ruptions” is a term that would be better used to describe an action that results from looking at too much internet porn.
You write that like it’s a bad thing.
Erwin's cat
July 2nd, 2012
3:20 pm
it’s rudeology..
I think it’s contagious only because once that person has dismissed you, you do the same…..but but they started it
Doggone/GA
July 2nd, 2012
3:20 pm
Reminds me of a story I read many years ago. Someone gave the advice that you should have your phone near a door, so that if you needed to get out of a call you could reach out, ring the doorbell, and then say you had to go – someone was at the door. The person who relayed that story said she just always said “I’ve got to go, got a phone call” and then hung up before the othe person realized when she just said.
JamVet
July 2nd, 2012
3:21 pm
Steve, no way could I make it very far into that spamfest, but I will say that that first item looks VERY good. No more socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest of us.
Tax wealth and undesirable behaviors, instead of overtaxing human labor and necessities.
And end this perverted corporate welfare and the picking of winners and losers…
Jay
July 2nd, 2012
3:21 pm
“The term “e-rupt” also applies to off-topic copy/paste spammers, yes?
Yes, good point! (I’ll pull down the earlier “e-ruption”)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
3:21 pm
Shorter Steve Atl: But…but…but…OBAMA!
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The term “e-rupt” also applies to off-topic copy/paste spammers, yes?
I prefer the tried and true, “rabbit hole”.
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
3:22 pm
stands for decibels
July 2nd, 2012
3:11 pm
hmm. Lemme try Jay’s suggestion it in a sentence…
“For e-ruptions lasting more than four hours, seek tech support help immediately.”
Yep. Works for me
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Also, interesting topic, Jay.
I am one of those, unless it’s one of my parents, my daughters, or I’m expecting a call, I let voicemail catch the call.
g spot
July 2nd, 2012
3:22 pm
THAT JUST PENN-STATE JOURNALISM BRO
COVERING UP BAD THINGS SO YOU DONT LOOK BAD
Towncrier
July 2nd, 2012
3:22 pm
“THATS A CLOWN ARTICLE BRO…”
That would be clownish (if the article were actually so, which it is not).
Williebkind
July 2nd, 2012
3:23 pm
stands for decibels
July 2nd, 2012
3:17 pm
That is two funnies…you are on a role.
Towncrier
July 2nd, 2012
3:24 pm
““The term “e-rupt” also applies to off-topic copy/paste spammers, yes?”
I think that would be “e-serting”.
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
3:24 pm
Also Jay, I lost a bunch of emails, and the one you sent me with They BOTH Suck’s email address was among them. Can you resend it or send him mine?
Jay
July 2nd, 2012
3:24 pm
“tech-out” could work. If we can generate a handful of candidates, I might put up a poll of the best of ‘em.
East Lake Ira
July 2nd, 2012
3:25 pm
I think you nailed it when you labeled it as rude.
Rude behaviour is the fault of the person’s parents.
When this occurs IRL and it’s not a boss doing it, I just leave. When some person comes over near my table at a restaurant to have a chat on his phone, I join in till they leave. Always with a smile of course…
In short, I don’t tolerate this type of behaviour unless my paycheck is in play.
Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
3:25 pm
Being old fashioned and all I’ll just call it what it is- rudeness.
stands for decibels
July 2nd, 2012
3:26 pm
Tech-out? Not bad, Paul.
It has the added advantage of subliminally suggesting ‘takeout’ which means food which means Americans are already predisposed to adopt it.
As long as we’re there, consider that use of the term “take out,” as in, “take out this military target” has grown exponentially more popular as a euphemism for the good old-fashioned verb “kill” that we used to use.
Mighty Righty
July 2nd, 2012
3:27 pm
Washington Post Admints Lying about Romeny Outsourcing Jobs While at Bain Capital
After being caught for the third time in as many months coordinating with the Obama campaign to attack Mitt Romney, the Washington Post finally — in the most cowardly and slippery manner imaginable — came clean today regarding the provably false charge that the presumptive GOP nominee outsourced American jobs during his tenure at Bain Capital:
The above is a reprint from the Washington Examiner. The news isn’t that the Washington Post lied. We all know that the Obama controlled news organizations lie whenever it can to help the president. The news is they admitted it. Honesty is very strange coming froma liberal organization.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:27 pm
You’re talking with someone in a social or business situation and a cell phone rings. Maybe it’s your phone; maybe it’s the other person’s. Either way, the previous conversation ends abruptly, because in the modern communications hierarchy the outside phone call or text message generally takes priority over mere face-to-face, human-to-human interaction.
Sure, it’s rude. But most people do it anyway, sometimes with a quick word of apology to the ignored party, but often not. And while some may not find the practice socially acceptable, the battle against it is quickly being lost.
Yep. Personally I don’t find it rude on either end. I find it annoying that whatever it was we were talking about had to end right then, and hope I can get back to it when the cell conversation is over, also from both ends.
Maybe I’m just weird that way.
Williebkind
July 2nd, 2012
3:27 pm
Anderson Cooper: ‘The fact is, I’m gay’
Another CNN employee who likes male e-ruptions. What is that about 50% of CNN is gay?
josef
July 2nd, 2012
3:28 pm
I’ve got plenty, but none that would get passed our blue nosed b*tch, so I’ll cast my vote with the Imam’s,,,
Tell you what IS fun, though, and that’s to join in the conversation…the looks you get of “how rude…”
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:28 pm
I do like e-ruption. The problem is in speech that will probably not work.
JamVet
July 2nd, 2012
3:30 pm
What is that about 50% of the neocons are homophobic?
Erwin's cat
July 2nd, 2012
3:30 pm
I have theses devices to give ME easy access to the rest of the world…not the other way around
DannyX
July 2nd, 2012
3:30 pm
“The term “e-rupt” also applies to off-topic copy/paste spammers, yes?”
“Yes, good point! (I’ll pull down the earlier “e-ruption”)”
I think the term for that is e-jack-ulate.
East Lake Ira
July 2nd, 2012
3:31 pm
How about e-diction if we have to name it?
I’m still a firm believer in just leaving though.
East Lake Ira
July 2nd, 2012
3:32 pm
First person to build a jammer into a smartphone will have my eternal thanks.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:32 pm
“tech-out” could work. If we can generate a handful of candidates, I might put up a poll of the best of ‘em.
You could also say “hey man, you just teched out” like when you tell someone they spaced out.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
3:32 pm
Honesty is very strange coming froma[sic] liberal organization.
The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.
Just sayin’.
Mr. Holmes
July 2nd, 2012
3:33 pm
Essentially humans are synching themselves with messages incoming to and through their various platforms, and sync is already an understood term.
So … “autosync?” “Self-sync?” “Message-sync?” “Homosync?”
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
3:33 pm
Towncrier
July 2nd, 2012
3:22 pm
“THATS A CLOWN ARTICLE BRO…”
That would be clownish (if the article were actually so, which it is not).
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TC, some people are better off being ignored. One easy way to identify them is when the run into a room shouting (ALL CAPS) using bad grammar.
If you ignore them, eventually they will get bored and find another squirrel to chase.
Erwin's cat
July 2nd, 2012
3:34 pm
more like a me-ruption or me-diction
JamVet
July 2nd, 2012
3:34 pm
First person to build a jammer into a smartphone will have my eternal thanks.
There is something similar that is already available.
I knew a teacher who had me help him set one up in his classroom.
Apparently it worked very well.
My only regret was not being able to watch the little twits faces when they couldn’t figure out what the hell was happening…
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:34 pm
How about e-diction if we have to name it?
Not bad
josef
July 2nd, 2012
3:35 pm
DANNY
E-jerk-ulate, maybe?
getalife
July 2nd, 2012
3:35 pm
Jay and his manners cracks me up. We are talking to cons here.
“Eric Fehrnstrom, Mitt Romney Adviser: Individual Mandate Is A ‘Penalty,’ Not A ‘Tax’ ” Aol.
willard took the scalia position.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:35 pm
JamVet: I HAVE to know the name of that
Erwin's cat
July 2nd, 2012
3:36 pm
I believe jammers are illegal
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:37 pm
Erwin’s Cat may be right. I think there are FCC laws against that.
Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
3:39 pm
Erwin’s cat,
Jammers are illegal. I still would like one though. Especially when I’m in a restaurant or movie theater.
Towncrier
July 2nd, 2012
3:40 pm
“One easy way to identify them is when the run into a room shouting (ALL CAPS) using bad grammar.”
WAT DO U MEEN, TBG?
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:40 pm
You could call someone who plugs themselves into the network frequently a “copper top” as a reference to the Matrix movie…
JamVet
July 2nd, 2012
3:40 pm
I believe that this teacher (it was at a private secondary school) was going rogue and doing this on the down low.
I’ll have to call him and get the name for you, Adam…
Harwell
July 2nd, 2012
3:41 pm
The trouble with “e-rupt” is that “erupt” is already a word and so the use of e-rupt is confusing. How about “e-block” instead, since you’re using technology to block the ongoing conversation? Usage would be, “Don’t e-block me that way” or “We were talking, and then she e-blocked me.”
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:41 pm
mobile drone?
Mighty Righty
July 2nd, 2012
3:41 pm
It is, in other words, an increasingly common aspect of modern life. But as far as I can determine, we have invented no term for it. And to tame it, we must name it.
Jay it already has a name. It is called “rude”. My friends, relatives and business associates know I will not interupt a conversation to answer the phone or a text message. They may leave a message or call back. When at dinner I put the phone on buzz and leave it in the car. when at home I ignore it or answer with a mesage that I am busy and will call back. It is really simple. If it’s important they will call back, if its not it will wait.
Jay
July 2nd, 2012
3:41 pm
Mr. Holmes:
“Sync-out”, as in “drop out”?
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
3:41 pm
Good grief!
Why does THIS topic have to turn into a partisan hackfest?
Daymn, put away your pooball guns and relax. It’s actually a pretty good topic.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:41 pm
e-block also seconded.
carlosgvv
July 2nd, 2012
3:42 pm
If someone withdraws from a conversation to page thru messages or emails, then the term for it was invented long ago. It’s called “bad manners”.
Jay
July 2nd, 2012
3:42 pm
Then when you finish, you “sync-in” again?
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:42 pm
JamVet: If it’s not a product to buy, but rather a device to build, I still want to know. Speaking of which….
http://www.tricorderproject.org/
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
3:43 pm
I believe jammers are illegal
I believe you are correct.
I’ll only take a phone call in a situation such as this if I had requested that someone call me back and was waiting on their call.
Maybe we can make it socially acceptable to explain in advance to the person/people we are face to face with that we are expecting a phone call.
The technology that chaps my ass is call waiting.
The phone co. used to provide a free service to let others know that you were currently engaged in a phone conversation — the busy signal.
Doggone/GA
July 2nd, 2012
3:44 pm
Personally, I think e-rude covers it quite well.
Towncrier
July 2nd, 2012
3:44 pm
What…you mean the Washington Post might be biased?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/07/02/Wapo-backs-off-romney-outsource-claim
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
3:44 pm
Towncrier
July 2nd, 2012
3:40 pm
“One easy way to identify them is when the run into a room shouting (ALL CAPS) using bad grammar.”
WAT DO U MEEN, TBG?
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g spot
July 2nd, 2012
3:19 pm
THATS A CLOWN ARTICLE BRO
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g spot is not worth you time, IMO.
Erwin's cat
July 2nd, 2012
3:45 pm
Doom,
I was a restaurant in Seattle that charged a surcharge or “tax” if your phone rang while in the restaurant or if you otherwise used it…it was strictly enforced…and they had a waiting line out the door
Some Guy
July 2nd, 2012
3:45 pm
Enter your comments here
JamVet
July 2nd, 2012
3:46 pm
Digital egotism.
E-rrogance.
Self-ebsorption.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:46 pm
Erwin’s Cat: I was a restaurant in Seattle that charged a surcharge or “tax” if your phone rang while in the restaurant or if you otherwise used it…it was strictly enforced…and they had a waiting line out the door
Which restaurant was that? I used to live in Seattle..
Towncrier
July 2nd, 2012
3:46 pm
Now he is complaining about money? I guess he should have taken those matching funds in 2008:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-campaign-call-affirms-money-anxiety/2012/07/01/gJQAqjIpGW_story.html?hpid=z12
g spot
July 2nd, 2012
3:47 pm
listening to that black guy
gives me a case of the
TB-GB’s
bro
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:47 pm
“mobile droning out,” or something.
“mobile manners” but maybe that sounds too positive.
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
3:47 pm
how about “tech-nore”
As in “I’m being tech-nored again”.
Texas Gravy
July 2nd, 2012
3:48 pm
Throwing a few out…
e-nore, cell-shock. e-jacked?
Either way it’s plain e-rude.
oakhurstdawg
July 2nd, 2012
3:48 pm
What about i-jack?
josef
July 2nd, 2012
3:48 pm
Anybody for e-gnored
I’m being “e-gnored”
She’s having an e-gnorant chat with her mother-in-law, could you call back later?
O, he’s quite the e-gnoramus…
East Lake Ira
July 2nd, 2012
3:48 pm
Jammers are illegal. 11K fine if caught and convicted. Bummer.
Mr. Holmes
July 2nd, 2012
3:48 pm
Works for me. So this would be a term specifically for dropping out of a social interaction to do this task, rather than just a general term for the task itself?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
3:48 pm
What…you mean
the Washington PostBreitbart.com might be biased?Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 2nd, 2012
3:49 pm
Well, I just hate it when you’re talking to a punk and he starts thumbing thru his messages and stops paying attention to you. It’s just the worst manners in the world, is what it is.
People like them need to be horse-whipped. Matter of fact—excuse me, I think my cell phone’s ringing. It might be Joe Bill about our tee time next weekend. I’ll be back soon as I can.
Erwin's cat
July 2nd, 2012
3:49 pm
Adam – Bizzarro Italian Cafe….neat place, great food
td
July 2nd, 2012
3:49 pm
Since I was doing a little work and posted to your last blog a little late then I am going to post it here as well. Forgive me for being off topic:
Jay,
Your provided case study does not include the fact that the amount paid by a family that is Federally mandated to do so is a tax increase on that family. To otherwise deny it is a simple fallacy of the facts. Where do these new taxes get added and what % of GDP does this effect? This is also the largest regressive tax in the history of the country.
“The median U.S. family income is about $50,000. Family health coverage can easily run $20,000 a year — and rising quickly. In that scenario, the coverage mandate is essentially a 40 percent tax on that family, which is now required by law to ensure that every family member has qualifying coverage.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2012/06/29/is-obamacare-the-largest-tax-increase-in-u-s-history/
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:50 pm
how about “tech-nore”
As in “I’m being tech-nored again”.
YESS! That one I think is the best so far!
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
3:50 pm
Oops. worth you time, should be “worth YOUR time”
Paul
July 2nd, 2012
3:50 pm
Erwin’s cat – Adam
Looked at that a couple years ago. Illegal here. Made in Israel, available Internet in NYC. Different sizes (back then) each covers a different radius. One about the size of a pack of cigarettes covers a classroom, easy.. or my favorite… a movie theater.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
3:51 pm
g spot is not worth you time, IMO.
That not what she said.
Mr. Holmes
July 2nd, 2012
3:51 pm
“I’m being tech-nored again”
Heh. I like that one. “E-gnored” is good too. Nice wordsmithing by josef.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:51 pm
Erwins Cat: Huh. Wouldn’t have figured a restaurant like that in the U District. But I suppose that makes sense….
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:52 pm
tech-whipped?
g spot
July 2nd, 2012
3:52 pm
kamchak has wisdom
pay attention to g spot
unless you are anderson cooper
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:52 pm
tech-whipped being for those who just HAVE TO CHECK THEIR PHONE
Texas Gravy
July 2nd, 2012
3:53 pm
e-slapped?
mail-roaded?
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:53 pm
I think we have a poster who’s about to get the blog god smack down
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
3:53 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
3:51 pm
g spot is not worth you time, IMO.
That not what she said.
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Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
3:54 pm
Erwin’s cat,
That seattle restaurant policy sounds good. I really don’t care that much if someone has a cell conversation in a restaurant except that the problem is that often the person can’t hear the person they are talking to so they raise their voice louder and louder. Or they think they person they are talking to can’t hear them so they get louder and louder and LOUDER.
You can purchase one of those jammers for a pretty reasonable price I think $50-$100 or so. I’ve been meaning to do it just to use in a movie theater only. And even then I would give the person 10 seconds to tell the caller he’s in a movie theater and he’ll call him later. But if a conversation ensues its zapper time. And I wouldn’t use it in a restaurant unless someone is getting super loud and becoming an annoyance. Would be funny to see the look on their face when they keep getting zapped.
weetamoe
July 2nd, 2012
3:54 pm
I’m not sure how *cons* e-rupted into the conversation but name-calling is indeed rude and there seems to be a lot of that here every day. That is truly enlightening, though. *By the dreary predictability and repetition of their name-calling ye shall know them.* I think that’s what the Higgs boson whispered but it sped by so fast I’m not certain. Oh those speeding nanoparticles!
Doggone/GA
July 2nd, 2012
3:54 pm
“how about “tech-nore”
I like that one too. And someone who would to that is a tech-bore
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:54 pm
I like cell-shock of Texas Gravy’s suggestions.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
3:54 pm
TEXAS
@ 3:53
Good ones!
Doggone/GA
July 2nd, 2012
3:54 pm
oops! I meant “tech-boor”
Erwin's cat
July 2nd, 2012
3:55 pm
Adam – it’s been a while, but pretty sure that was the place…great city for a foodie, the local homemade cookies were a treat too
getalife
July 2nd, 2012
3:55 pm
Um, I think we already knew Anderson was gay.
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
3:55 pm
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:53 pm
I think we have a poster who’s about to get the blog god smack down
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Let’s hope Jay proves you right.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
3:55 pm
Erwin’s Cat: I loved the food there. New Orleans food is another fave.
ty webb
July 2nd, 2012
3:56 pm
how about eGGGnored or eGGGGnored?
Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
3:56 pm
. or my favorite… a movie theater.
Hell yeah!
Texas Gravy
July 2nd, 2012
3:58 pm
Can’t prinit it here, but I also thought of a clever play on iphone.
As in, The guy totally iph___ed me, cut me off mid sentence.
Sadly that would probably be the one that caught on.
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
3:59 pm
I think that jammer is illegal because it doesn’t just jam cell signals, but other signals as well. Like the ones used by police and first responders.
FrankLeeDarling
July 2nd, 2012
3:59 pm
“flinking’ as in “honey are you just going to sit there and flink out on me”
Also referring to the motion of ones finger on smartphone touchscreen.
Jefferson
July 2nd, 2012
4:00 pm
call whores.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
4:00 pm
getalife
How did you “know?” Sumpin’ you ain’t tellin’ us about?
*******
Question: If the GOP is doing it, is it con-text?
Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
4:00 pm
josef,
So are you at all surprised by Anderson Cooper? Had gay friends/acquaintances for years telling me he was gay. Not that anyone cares or is suprised- Just saying there’s an awful lot of folks round town that are mighty proud of their gaydar accuracy.
The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers
July 2nd, 2012
4:00 pm
Techcognition.
East Lake Ira
July 2nd, 2012
4:02 pm
Ted was almost ruined yesterday by some jerk on a phone.
Nasty looks worked just fine.
A hammer would’ve been better though…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
July 2nd, 2012
4:03 pm
Not sure what to call it…..
but folks who do it are e-holes.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
4:03 pm
Granny: You made my coworker and I lol
Paul
July 2nd, 2012
4:04 pm
How about ’sluffed.”
She sluffed me. He’s sluffing.
Variant spelling of ’slough’ – as in ‘to shed dead tissue.’ Like she’s sluffing us off like we’re dead.
Takes after ‘punked’ and ’slammed.’ Not a word comprised of part of the word it’s about. It’s a recognizable term that can be used as a verb (she’s sluffing at dinner) or a noun (he’s a hardcore sluffer.).
josef
July 2nd, 2012
4:04 pm
THULSA
All’s I’ve been saying is that a lot of folks who think they “know,” don’t. Now, we “know.” He said so. Me? I learned a long time ago not to draw any conclusions until told (or shown!
)
josef
July 2nd, 2012
4:05 pm
GRANNY
@ 4:03
Oscar
July 2nd, 2012
4:06 pm
I hate it when I am e-rupted.
Quick
July 2nd, 2012
4:07 pm
The proper response to this behavior is to walk away … unless the person outranks you.
Rich
July 2nd, 2012
4:07 pm
Yes, I like Tek-Out. I get so annoyed when people are standing in a cashier line and ask the cashier to wait until they finish a conversation. This really …. ahhh, hold on a minute, I have call…
Jefferson
July 2nd, 2012
4:08 pm
If the president is re-elected, he can fix this problem…
Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
4:10 pm
josef,
Lots of folks don’t know or don’t care. I just thought it was interesting how many gay men I knew who were insistent he was gay. Call it wishful thinking for some folks that think they may actually have a shot at him now that he’s out.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
4:11 pm
At our koffee klatch not long ago this subject came up. Somebody reminded the rabbi of what he did. Phone went off and he said, that better be Ad-nai on the line. One of our wits then burst into a verse from “Operator, give me Jesus on the line.”
E/l-himed maybe?
Where's My Party?
July 2nd, 2012
4:11 pm
This goes along with the lazy, no good, pitiful excuse for “people” that just leave shopping carts where ever they please instead of (A) putting them in the provided corrals or (B) taking them back (GASP) into the store. Good for nothing people are that do that.
Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
4:11 pm
e- nored or tech-nored are my 2 suggestions- though I still prefer the old fashioned term rude.
Jay
July 2nd, 2012
4:11 pm
OK, poll has been posted. Sorry, couldn’t fit ALL the candidates in there.
Skip
July 2nd, 2012
4:13 pm
Eating out a couple weeks ago and a guy couldn’t figure out how to turn off the speaker, hilarious.
Jay
July 2nd, 2012
4:13 pm
oh, and g spot has been “e-radicated.”
josef
July 2nd, 2012
4:14 pm
THULSA
Intra nostra, he’s never been at all “secretive” or “closeted.” Along with quite a few others. Did you read his article on why he felt it time to say something public? Very interesting and, as he always is, quite the Southern gentleman of culture and breeding in his response…
DannyX
July 2nd, 2012
4:14 pm
I think we have a winner!
Granny @ 4:03
Jay what prize does Granny win?
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
4:14 pm
josef @ 4:11
I think that is called a “conversion”….
Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
4:15 pm
“This goes along with the lazy, no good, pitiful excuse for “people” that just leave shopping carts where ever they please instead of”
And here I thought it was just me who thought people who can’t walk a cart 10-30 feet to the nearest corral were just plain damn lazy.
Mr_B
July 2nd, 2012
4:15 pm
I find it curious that over the last 25-30 years we have surrendered all of our personal lives to the technological demons. Since Bell first said “Watson, come here; I want you.” we have been at the mercy of any idiot that was capable of making some kind of electrical connection. Now folks voluntarily expose their whole lives through social networking services.
Human society has become more and more like a beehive, in which no individual has any identity apart from the group.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
4:15 pm
IMAM
e-radicated!!! THAT’s my favorite one yet…
Citizen of the World
July 2nd, 2012
4:16 pm
EDD — Electronic Distraction Disorder
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
4:17 pm
TBG: From before..
Jay says: oh, and g spot has been “e-radicated.”
josef
July 2nd, 2012
4:17 pm
“6.) mail-roaded (1%, 0 Votes)”
Okay, if you say so…
Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
4:18 pm
josef,
I read the AJC article but not an indepth article on his reasons why. I just figured that’s his business. The AJC article just said something to the effect that it just wasn’t a big deal to him and that his private life was his own bidness to begin with. Made it sound like it was just a formality for him. I had no idea the man was Gloria Vanderbilt’s son. That bit of info was much more interesting to me.
JamVet
July 2nd, 2012
4:18 pm
Well, all of my most excellent offerings were e-nored, so to hell with it!
DannyX
July 2nd, 2012
4:21 pm
“Well, all of my most excellent offerings were e-nored, so to hell with it!”
Thats ok JamVet, you are still e-okay in my book.
Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
4:24 pm
“Human society has become more and more like a beehive, in which no individual has any identity apart from the group.”
Yep. Its made life more and more impersonal. Another thing I’ve noticed is that everyday it seems someone in the news is having to retract a tweet because its something that they would never say in person to a group of thousands of people but yet they mistakenly do in a tweet. I notice in email conversation some people get a little meaner and nastier behind a keyboard. And hell half the things we say to each other on this forum we probably wouldn’t say in person due to the constraints of public decency and proper decor.
Moderate Line
July 2nd, 2012
4:26 pm
To show how technology shapes our culture and changes it.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/08/what-would-emily-post-say-about-droids-in-cafes/
Mighty Righty
July 2nd, 2012
4:28 pm
An accident while drivng caused by taking on the telephone or texting is an E Wrecktion.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
4:32 pm
THULSA
I posted it earlier…
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/07/anderson-cooper-the-fact-is-im-gay.html
You didn’t know he was GV’s son….yep. His dad’s from Quitman, Mississippi and he makes a point that he is as much his Daddy’s boy as he is his Mama’s…
JamVet
July 2nd, 2012
4:32 pm
An accident while drivng caused by taking on the telephone or texting is an E Wrecktion.
Good one, Righty!
josef
July 2nd, 2012
4:33 pm
MIGHTY RIGHTY
@ 4:28
DannyX
July 2nd, 2012
4:33 pm
Republicans blogging about the economy is an e-con-on-me
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
4:34 pm
g spot
Take care, BRO
Paul
July 2nd, 2012
4:36 pm
Jay
“oh, and g spot has been “e-radicated.””
No worries.
Most of us couldn’t find it, anyway -
Jefferson
July 2nd, 2012
4:38 pm
Why do kids go to the grocery stores with their moms if all they are to do is text while walking up the ailes ? They will be something missing in their future.
pogo
July 2nd, 2012
4:42 pm
What a shock! Anderson Cooper is gay! Those mauve jackets that he wears on his show should have been a dead giveaway (and his fascination with fashion)!
And Jay, it should be “E-Ruded”.
pogo
July 2nd, 2012
4:47 pm
The headlines are all talking about Washington being in the dark. Hell, what about that is news?
Rightwing Troll
July 2nd, 2012
4:48 pm
Anderson Cooper came out a while back didn’t he?
Logical Dude
July 2nd, 2012
4:48 pm
What was it called when the phone on the wall rang and someone answered it?
What was it called when a neighbor knocked on the door when you were in the middle of a conversation?
“pardon me, I should get this”
josef
July 2nd, 2012
4:49 pm
THULSA
AC tells a funny story about his other roots. During Katrina one of CNNs trucks went off the road and a couple of Bubbas came along and helped them out. One of ‘em says, “y’all work for CNN. You might know our cousin who works there.” The crew was sorta like “unh-hunh like we know everybody there” figuring they were talking about some clerk, technician or what have you. So when they said, “what’s his name and where does he work?” in a not completely gentlemanly fashion, Bubba says, “Anderson. Anderson Cooper. He does the news.” When the crew was mentioning it to AC, he says, “oh, yeah I got family all over around here.”
When one of the talking heads he was on a panel with during the Mississippi primary took a swipe at the Magnolia State, AC fixed him in a stare and said, ever the gentleman, “I go to my family reunion in Quitman.” It had its effect!
josef
July 2nd, 2012
4:51 pm
TROLL
Not with a public statement of any kind. It was no great secret, he just did not feel it was proper for a man in his position and profession to discuss his private (off camera, away from work) life…
josef
July 2nd, 2012
4:52 pm
POGO
@ 4:42
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
4:54 pm
When he was up there preaching and someone’s cellphone would go off, my pastor would always stop and say,
“if it ain’t Jesus don’t answer it” !!!
Mr_B
July 2nd, 2012
4:55 pm
TD: And hell half the things we say to each other on this forum we probably wouldn’t say in person due to the constraints of public decency and proper decor.”
Way more than half, some days.
getalife
July 2nd, 2012
4:58 pm
That was pf.
Hold on a sec, I have to take this call.
Michael
July 2nd, 2012
4:58 pm
Talking or texting while driving is an electronic death sentence.
I always try to join in the conversation, when someone is on their cell phone in the immediate vicinity. Their confusion is a very gratifying response.
I’ve told my children that if they take a call while talking to me that they have removed themselves to another location to be with that person. I will join the conversation when they return.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
4:58 pm
Mr B
@ 4:46
Yeah, this weekend!
pogo
July 2nd, 2012
4:59 pm
josef, you have to respect a person who doesn’t forget their roots (even if they are in Mississippi)!
Mr_B
July 2nd, 2012
5:00 pm
“I believe jammers are illegal”
I keep telling my wife that, but she won’t listen.
Erwin's cat
July 2nd, 2012
5:00 pm
e’d LOL
josef
July 2nd, 2012
5:01 pm
MICHAEL
Don’t you love those “join ins?” Woman down the way was talking loud enough to hear, “I’m ovulating.” She didn’t much appreciate my comment, “well, hell, Bertha, hang up and go f*ck!”
getalife
July 2nd, 2012
5:02 pm
josef,
I thought he already came out.
I watch corporate news network and he is biased on gay issues.
Wealthy, works out, tight t shirt, hello.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
5:02 pm
POGO
Don’ git me started…
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
5:04 pm
Did someone else just come out?
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
5:04 pm
josef
July 2nd, 2012
5:04 pm
getalife
@ 5:02
For once, thank G-d, somebody has used the word “biased” correctly!
St Simons - he-ne-ha-ha-ha
July 2nd, 2012
5:09 pm
is it being (an) e-ruddite?
cell phones off during my meetings
Doggone/GA
July 2nd, 2012
5:09 pm
“She didn’t much appreciate my comment, “well, hell, Bertha, hang up and go f*ck!” ”
I bet not! But I also bet everyone else around you did!
josef
July 2nd, 2012
5:11 pm
SCOUT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1paHu-cfuWI
josef
July 2nd, 2012
5:12 pm
He-ne-ha
Good one!
Doggone…
It did get a chuckle…
Erwin's cat
July 2nd, 2012
5:14 pm
has anyone suggest “e-bort” yet….it’s 2012 edgy
JohnnyReb
July 2nd, 2012
5:21 pm
This is interesting and insight on just how FUBAR the younger generations have become.
I think it was about 4 posts in where getalife stated RUDE. That’s the term it is, no need to create a new one. Just include the prerequisite to apologize if you do it.
For those on the receiving end who don’t receive an apology, my recommendation is to walk away.
ragnar danneskjold
July 2nd, 2012
5:26 pm
Amusing, an area where left and right are in-sync. I would remove “neology” from the calculus and call it a “snub.”
pogo
July 2nd, 2012
5:28 pm
Once it was said that videos were killing the radio songs. Now cellphones and computers are killing the human aspect of communication. There is much to be learned by actually having to look a person in the face and to talk to that person. There are things in human communication that cannot be replaced by speaking via computer or phone. The “Human Nuance” if you will. If you took two people that think that they hate each other via their communication by electronic media, they just may find they have much more in common than they would have ever thought if they had to speak face to face. Then again, they may just hate each other! The point being, either way, we are all too isolated now and the electronics are the cause of it. The anonymity created by the electronic world enables people to be what they think and say what they want to without any repercussions or even any human reaction. I am not sure that is good.
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
5:34 pm
Rags
Believe it or not; there is plenty of common ground for a good many of us. However we choose to post at a political opinion blog, thus we see the political differences more than anything else
Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
5:41 pm
Just heard on the news that in Georgia today it got up to 118 including the heat index. Kinda surprised Jay hasn’t come up with another global warming column. My wagering dollar says we will get one in the next day or 2.
Mr_B
July 2nd, 2012
5:42 pm
A word for an otherwise indistinguishable individual when cloaked behind the anonymity of a blog handle….
An e-noiance.
Mr_B
July 2nd, 2012
5:44 pm
TD. Yesterday I got into the car about 3 in the PM to make a short (10 mile) trip to the nearest town.
Dashboard thermometer read 118.
That ain’t indexed.
carlosgvv
July 2nd, 2012
5:46 pm
Someone told me that girls, especially the pretty ones, will pretend to be on their cell phones to avoid guys they don’t want to talk to.
Paul
July 2nd, 2012
5:47 pm
“For once, thank G-d, somebody has used the word “biased” correctly!”
Ezactly!
getalife
July 2nd, 2012
5:47 pm
Our President is raising money on climate change.
The gop position is it is a hoax.
willard’s position is yet to be determined.
Mr_B
July 2nd, 2012
5:47 pm
Sorry: 5:42 should have included:when cloaked behind the anonymity of a blog handle becomes a complete a**hole.
JamVet
July 2nd, 2012
5:48 pm
Doomy, I already commented that thank goodness Rick Perry is correct and we’ve entered an age of global cooling!
Otherwise it would have hit 128. Or 138. Or…
In reality there were over 1800 record highs set in the past two weeks in this country.
BTW, welcome back.
getalife
July 2nd, 2012
5:48 pm
ACA or single payer.
Your call cons.
Leverage.
Mr_B
July 2nd, 2012
5:51 pm
out for a while
JamVet
July 2nd, 2012
5:52 pm
Flip flopper and anthropogenic climate change?
As governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney championed what he called a “no regrets” policy on climate change. He came into office vowing to eliminate the state’s SUV fleet and to close its dirtiest power plant. In 2004, his administration outlined a sweeping long-term vision for cutting the state’s emissions, improving efficiency, and promoting sustainable development that was considered among the most aggressive in the country.
That was then.
As with his virtually all of his positions on other hot-button issues, he has reinvented himself to toe the line with the power brokers in the anti-science party. (hat tip Jon Huntsman).
The man is the absolute epitome of a sell out.
Seriously. I have NEVER seen a politician that is even in his league.
Shameful, really…
pogo
July 2nd, 2012
5:53 pm
Politics once again raises it’s VERY ugly head at 5:48. Pity him.
getalife
July 2nd, 2012
5:56 pm
It is a political blog pogo.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
5:56 pm
PAUL
It never ceases to amaze me how people, many of whom are supposed to know better, lump together “biased, prejudiced and bigoted” together as if they were synonyms. I got ticked one time when somebody “accused” me of being “prejudiced against Northerners.” Unmentionable says, “no, he’s not.” He was immediately given a list of some of my less good neighbor policy statements, “and you mean to try and tell me he’s NOT prejudiced.” Unmentionable says, “well, look at what you cited. It makes my point, he’s not prejudiced at all,” The splutter went near apoplectic, “How can you say that?” “Well,” Unmentionable says, “prejudice implies some forethought. He doesn’t even bother. He’s not prejudiced. He’s bigoted!”
And that’s a point I try to make with some of our posters who don’t think twice about their comments on “those people” whoever those people may be. They’re not biased. They’re not prejudiced. They’re downright bigoted.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
5:57 pm
Here’s the word:
You’ve been “stepped-on” !!
“stepped on
radio and signal interference, as in ”The signal was stepped on.”
A phrase we used all of the time in my prior career when someone’s “transmission/conversation” interrupted another conversation on the radio.
Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
5:59 pm
Mr_B,
I was kinda curious about that when I opened up my car yesterday. It was like a gush of hell came flowing out of it. I didn’t think to check the temp but I imagine that like yours it was the 115 to 118 range. Gawd I hope some idiot in the country isn’t stupid enough to leave a child or pet locked in a car even for a few minutes this week.
AmVet,
Thanks man. Had a great time fishing other than the kids outfishing me in humiliating fashion. Plus they caught fish they had never seen or even heard of before. Both of them are kids that had pretty rough lives and were pretty underprivileged. They both said the deep sea fishing was an experience they would remember the rest of their lives so it was great to see them get to experience something like that.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
6:04 pm
THULSA
“…so it was great to see them get to experience something like that.”
You’ve now earned your Mary Elizabeth Plantation Liberal Merit Badge…
Jokes aside, if more people would do things like that and mentor these kids beyond just the fishing trip, we could go a long, long way toward easing some of our social problems and make a real difference in a young man/woman’s life…
St Simons - he-ne-ha-ha-ha
July 2nd, 2012
6:10 pm
apologies to josef, who’s heard this one before, but a scoutmaster
in Brunswick asked me “hey what would a reeeal indian boy take
with him on a campout?” He looked surprised when i answered
‘probably his mother (or father)’
Here’s to mentors, in whatever spirit shape they take.
Mick
July 2nd, 2012
6:17 pm
**Both of them are kids that had pretty rough lives and were pretty underprivileged. They both said the deep sea fishing was an experience they would remember the rest of their lives so it was great to see them get to experience something like that.**
Allrightttt….those are the moments in life that we call “priceless”! Nice work there doomy…
Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
6:18 pm
josef,
Thanks man. I’m trying. I probably coulda drank less beer in front of them but at least I didn’t get drunk in front of them. We talked about things other than just having fun and fishing so it was good all the way around.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
6:18 pm
He-ne-ha
Going tribal for a minute here, but when Bruno and I tangle on that, I try to make that point of how central mentoring is to the tribal identity. It’s not something you “choose” to do, it’s something you are obligated to do.
You already know the role of the woman’s brothers among our local Noble Savages. When our boys’ parents died and they came to stay with us, folks kept telling Unmentionable how “good” he was to do that. They simply could not grasp that it was his role, his obligation, and to not do it was to turn his back on the tribe. That he took that obligation with joy and gratefulness is what spoke to his character, not that he was doing it.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
6:20 pm
THULSA
Nope. You should’ve drank beer around them and as you did, in moderation and responsibly. As my Granddaddy always said, “our children learn more by watching us than they do by listening to us.”
Thulsa Doom
July 2nd, 2012
6:21 pm
Thanks Mick.
The Mary Elizabeth Plantation liberal merit award? I may not agree with her politically but the woman does have as big and as kind a heart as one can have. I’ll definitely give the nice lady that.
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
6:21 pm
TD
I concur with the others, great work.
Thanks for making the time and taking the effort to step up when, where and how you can.
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
6:30 pm
So, what is the result of the poll, Jay. Which entry will you forward to “Make Shyte Up Press” so it can be added to “Where did you pull THAT from?” vol 23. The 2 parties are still using vol 22.
Mary Elizabeth
July 2nd, 2012
6:37 pm
josef, 6:04 pm
“You’ve now earned your Mary Elizabeth Plantation Liberal Merit Badge…”
============================================
Josef, I see that you are still attempting to depict me as a caricature on this blog. Do you not realize that painting a person in stereotype dehumanizes that person and, thus, takes away their humanity? To paint a person in caricature is the worst type of insult that you can give another person because, when you do that, you try dehumanize your target. I wrote recently on this blog that “insulting is verbal abuse.” I believe you do know what you are doing and that you are still attempting to demean my thinking, and to diminish my credibililty on this blog, through deliberately trying to present me as a caricatured human being. However, what you do not realize is that you are playing a losing adolescent game (not with me, but with yourself), because I am not a caricature, nor is any other human being a caricature.
I told you before that it takes a small person to do what you are attempting to do regarding me. I am saddened by you, that you have such a small-minded need to be played out, here, at my expense, for whatever reason you have for doing so. Please do not attempt to say that you were simply being light-hearted and that I should be less serious-minded. There is a history, here, between us which denies that simple, surface perception. I do not hate you for what you have been attempting to do at my expense, but I do not respect what you have been doing. I hope that you will reflect on what you have been trying to do and, at least, attempt to stop it. What you are attempting to do, in my regard, demeans you, not me.
St Simons - he-ne-ha-ha-ha
July 2nd, 2012
6:38 pm
yes, to use one of your tribe’s tales, that guy ‘fed the wrong wolf.’
That TD feller has a good spirit. says the sha nee woman, and
of course you never argue with them (without witnesses).
The ‘tribe vibe’ is coming back. Its part of ‘we’re all in this together.’
they’ll get it. about december of this year.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
6:42 pm
“Two patients limp into two different medical clinics with the same complaint. Both have trouble walking and appear to require hip surgery.
The FIRST patient is examined within the hour, is x-rayed the same day and has a time booked for surgery the following week.
The SECOND sees his family doctor after waiting 3 weeks for an appointment, then waits 8 weeks to see a specialist, then gets an x-ray, which isn’t reviewed for another week and finally has his surgery scheduled for 6 months from then pending the review boards decision on his age and remaining value to society.
Why the different treatment for the two patients?
The FIRST is a Golden Retriever taken to a vet.
The SECOND is a Senior Citizen on Obama care…
In November if He and his Czars get another term, we’ll all have to find a good vet! “
Mary Elizabeth
July 2nd, 2012
6:42 pm
Thulsa, thank you for your kind and courageous remarks regarding me, at 6:21 pm. I appreciate your speaking out in support of my full humanity.
For others, it is my wish that the remarks about me cease, at this point this evening. I do not wish to be a center of attention. Thank you.
Soothsayer
July 2nd, 2012
6:47 pm
Out to the windy beach,
Far from the twisted reach,
Of crazy sorrow.
Road Scholar
July 2nd, 2012
6:50 pm
Crackberried! They can’t help themselves, they are addicted. I had a boss who went right to his crackberry when it went off…phone, e-mail, text, etc…whatever…, no matter how many people are in the meeting. One meeting we had 30-35 and it went off….he called the meeting…we sat there for 30 ,minutes while he handled a “fire”. What a waste of resources! And rude!
josef
July 2nd, 2012
6:51 pm
ME
Hey, Sue Ellen, got your hoop skirts hiked with some snide little swipes, doncha? I’ll give you your credit for that, you’re really good with those. Mealy mouthed was what I was taught to call it. Like I said earlier, you may be fooling some, but I know my own kind when I see ‘em and you’re a plantation liberal, imauo…but, hey, I’m just a mean tacky nasty queen…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
6:54 pm
I had my struggles, couldn’t relate to the other students, etc. but this is ridiculous !!
“Among the approximately 800,000 military veterans now attending U.S. colleges, an estimated 88 percent drop out of school during their first year and only 3 percent graduate, according a report forwarded by the University of Colorado Denver, citing the analysis by U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education and Labor and Pensions.”
If that figure is true, then our tax dollars are being wasted with that approach. There has to be a better idea/way.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/02/12509343-thousands-of-veterans-failing-in-latest-battlefield-college?lite
Dekalb comments
July 2nd, 2012
7:00 pm
Trying to get the blog back on track (talk about getting off subject)….
I never cease to be amazed at how inconsiderate people and, yes they tend to be the under 30 crowd are. I am not picking on them or harbor any ill will on them but…..
Whether it is standing on a train a Hartsfield, riding the elevator at work, urinating in a men’s room or sweating like a pig at the gym – technology haunts me. I can’t escape it.
I take a couple of spin classes at a local gym each week. On my Friday afternoon session (a great way to start the weekend), there is a very nice 20-something woman who invariably takes the bike next to mine (not because she is interested in me for heaven’s sake).
But each time the instructor gives us a brief recovery to towel off, catch our breath and grab some water she is checking her text messages and firing off a couple.
The same happens while sitting around a pool, eating at a restaurant or enjoying a museum. There is a generation of technology-obsessed individuals that cannot separate themselves from their technology for even an hour.
I love my technology but I have to find time to get away from it.
Brosephus™
July 2nd, 2012
7:02 pm
Not sure what name to give it, but there’s a way to get somebody off the phone when they do. Look them dead in the eye and tell them “phone check”. If they’re in the know, they’ll un-ass the phone..
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=phone+check
My work environment is a no electronics/phones area. It never fails when I use that term. Whether they speak English or not, they kinda get the meaning. I guess it helps if you give them the look like they should expect reprecussions if they don’t get off the phone.
Brosephus™
July 2nd, 2012
7:02 pm
Dekalb
Phone check her!!
josef
July 2nd, 2012
7:05 pm
Dekalb
“Trying to get the blog back on track (talk about getting off subject)….”
It is on track…
“An Atlanta blog with a little bit of opinion about a whole lot of things”
It’s the Imam’s cyber front porch…just sittin around chewin the fat…
Dekalb comments
July 2nd, 2012
7:06 pm
Thanks Brosephus….I’ll try that but I am afraid she will look at me like I have lost my mind.
I have considered joining a different gym that I know has a no-tolerance policy on use of phones anywhere except in the public waiting area in the front of the club. This is probably a good legal strategy in the event someone does some photography in the locker rooms or elsewhere. The club can claim they have a no tolerance policy and the offender clearly violated their stated policy.
But it is attractive. No phones while working out. Heck part of my reason for going to the gym is to de-stress, de-stress from all the e-mails, phone calls, text messages, etc. from the work day. Why would I want that to follow me to “my time”?
Thomas Heyward Jr.
July 2nd, 2012
7:08 pm
Mary Elizabeths………..and those that worship the state?
It’s all been done before………………..and they do it with a smile and feigned empathy——————–
.
Sirimavo Bandaranaike
A house wife to a president, she took his place when he was assasinated. She was elected president, which was from public sympathy for her husband’s murder.
She ruled that all foreign businesses, which were operating in Sri Lanka, should be stolen from the owners by the government. Think of a shop like Ikea, being stolen by the British from the Swedish, and you’ll get an idea of how unfair that is. As a result of this, Britain and the US imposed sanctions on Sri Lanka.
She imposed wide spread social change on her country, her communist interventionist beauraucracies, stifled business, leading to economic downslide, unemployment, and starvation. In 1973, rationing had to be imposed due to these problems, that she caused.
She acted as a dictator. She first took over the country’s largest newspaper, enforcing censorship on it. Then she shut down the “Independant newspaper group”, which was a harsh critic of her dictatorial ways. I can imagine it was probably done with violence, and certainly with force.
Sirimavo increased and refused to let up, the situation of police and state violence against the Tamil minority. There has been both an ongoing state violence against the Tamils under her rule, and occasions of genocide in which mobs and the state collude against the Tamils. The Tamil’s non-violent freedom leader Thanthai Chelva, was ignored by her. Under her rule, the Sri Lankan government, which collected taxes from all the people, neglected the Tamil areas in national development schemes.
Going back in time to the earlier part of her career… Her country, had more than one main language. Sinhala and Tamil. The Sinhalese who spoke Sinhala, are the majority of the country’s population.
Her first move after she came to power, was to increase the historical oppression against the Tamils, by ruling that Sinhalese should be used for all government business. Before then, English was used, as the unifying language. (Quite a good idea I think to use English as a unifying language! After all, it is the worlds most commonly spoken language, especially in scientific communities, who have a great need to converse.)
This action meant that most Tamil in government, were unable to continue their government. The Tamils, responded by non-violent civil disobediance. Sirimavo responded to this, by declaring a state emergency. This language change, and state of emergency happened within one year of her election victory.
Sirimavo was banned from politics for 7 years, for abuse of power.
Strangely, at times, she was much liked abroad by the political leaders (at the top, like Prime Ministers and Presidents) from other countries. This was because she was a woman, and they were too far away to have to up with the deaths and loss of living standards she caused.
Dekalb comments
July 2nd, 2012
7:09 pm
Joseph….I didn’t realize this was a free-for-all blog. I thought Jay teed up a topic and the idea was to discuss whether he was on or off track.
But thank you for clarifying. I’ll start sharing my recipes and home remedies for various medical conditions. It could get a bit stinky but hey…it’s all about having an open blog
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
7:11 pm
When I was 10 years old, I spent the summer with my grandma in W.Va.
I got to call home each Saturday night and to do so I would walk over to the wall, take the handset off the left side of the wooden phone box; put it to my ear and then crank the handle on the right side of the phone box one long time to get the operator (usually my older cousin) in the little town about 15 miles away.
We’ve (I’ve) come a long way ……………………..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
7:12 pm
Dekalb comments:
You can only post about Jay’s comments so long and then …………….. well …………….. all has been said.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
7:15 pm
Dekalb
Not being snarky, but are you new here? We go back and forth on a lot of things and do return to the topic througout. Now, as for recipes…lemme telya, I’ve gotten some really good ones and some great tips here. Home remedies? Yeah, I’ve gotten a lot of suggestions there, too…not to mention a cure or two…I ‘ve been warned to watch Unmentionable and the Catahoula hawg hound until we can get to the country, been introduced to some great tunes, lots of suggested readings, oh, you name it…
kayaker 71
July 2nd, 2012
7:18 pm
Scout, 7:11,
I’m not so sure that we have come a long way. I carry a cell phone, the old flip type, but feel that it is an intrusion on my privacy. I often turn it off during the day, much to the chagrin of my daughters and my wife who feel it is their duty to “reach me” whenever they please. This technology has come a long way but sometimes, who needs it?
josef
July 2nd, 2012
7:20 pm
I guess I must be the last one around, but I have no cell phone and don’t want one.
Jay
July 2nd, 2012
7:21 pm
Josef, if I could do my job well without one, I probably would do the same.
Unfortunately ….
josef
July 2nd, 2012
7:24 pm
IMAM
Luckily, I can. When my principal was telling me I needed to have one in case she needed to get in touch with me, I told her, “there’s e-mail and I’m already on the computer working from the time I get home til I go to bed (blogging being my break therefrom) and if it’s that d*mned important, it’s a block up the hill…”
Corey
July 2nd, 2012
7:27 pm
Mighty Righty
July 2nd, 2012
3:27 pm
Mighty, this topic is so far removed from your ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome). Dude, please seek professional help.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
7:29 pm
COREY
Point there….
…and BTW, IMAM, thanks for the break therefrom…
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
7:45 pm
Dekalb
Admit it, she is hot. Give her a break
just kidding
Paul
July 2nd, 2012
7:50 pm
josef
Your 5:56. That’s one of the things I like about you.
Not necessarily treating words with respect. I was thinking more of taking someone on the edge and playing with them by taking exactly what they say and stringing them along…..
Dekalb comments
July 2nd, 2012
7:51 pm
Josef @ 7:15
No, I am not a Bookman “virgin” by any means. And while I appreciate an occasional deviation from topic, when Jay presents a topic in which I am interested and on which I want to hear people’s views, I often have to go through page after page of “off topic” conversations. Maybe we can have a Potpourri blog that is open to any and all subjects? Sounds like a hobby opportunity
josef
July 2nd, 2012
7:53 pm
BOTH
Glad you’re here. I forwarded that link earlier to one of my people. She told me about a “contest” of the sort that was held in the camp she was in…she said she had not thought about it in decades. She did get a chuckle about the “10%” being “appearance.” “At our age, they ought to be giving points for walking down the runway unassisted!”
Rightwing Troll
July 2nd, 2012
7:54 pm
“Why the different treatment for the two patients?
The FIRST is a Golden Retriever taken to a vet.
The SECOND is a Senior Citizen on Obama care…
In November if He and his Czars get another term, we’ll all have to find a good vet! “
Nice try Corporal, but Veterinarians aren’t obligated to take in uninsured Golden Retrievers and treat them at great losses that you and I must cover through our insurance premiums and out of pocket expenses, now are they?
Therefore, of course it’s no problem to get your dog in quickly for hip surgery if you’re willing to pay the bill when you check pick the dog up, isn’t it?
How on earth does this in any way, shape or form compare to our current or future healthcare system?
What alternative has Mittens shared with you? Because he sure ain’t shared it with the rest of us.
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
7:56 pm
josef
Sweet. I thought it was a pretty cool event to have for those ladies
josef
July 2nd, 2012
7:59 pm
Dekalb
I’m much the same about scrolling through…a lot of times the off-topic topic is the one that grabs my attention…but, really, Jay’s blog suits me since I come here “other screen” as a diversion…a lot of times given what some of that is I need a diversion FROM, the lighthearted banter is just what I need to keep me focused and balanced…other times, of course, I just come in spoiling for a fight and I can usually get that, too! And, believe it or not, sometimes I come in as fly-on-the wall when I am truly interested in what others are saying about a lead topic I am seriously interested in…
Obamacare Is Not A Tax (According to Libs)
July 2nd, 2012
8:01 pm
Washington DC and surrounding North VA (which suffered a complete 911 failure) are now in Day 3 of the meltdown. Has anyone seen Obama talk about it or give comfort to the millions still without power? Anyone? If this happened on Bush’s watch, we’d already have Democrats in Congress and in the media like Chris Matthews screaming until their heads explode that Bush wasn’t doing his job.
Uh huh.
bman.
July 2nd, 2012
8:02 pm
People here still have phones with wires? Do you keep it within reach so you don’t have to get up while watching your 32” TV/VCR Combo Tube television?
If you ever move. Make sure to get rid of those 2 items. Movers charge by the pound & they probably weigh 200lbs
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
8:06 pm
What alternative has Mittens shared with you?
The same one he’s shared with all — strap the Golden Retriever to the top of the car.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
8:07 pm
bman
Got a land line ‘phone, but I don’t answer it…the longer it rings, the happier I am! The 32″ screen flashes me the number so I know who it is I’m ignoring!
josef
July 2nd, 2012
8:08 pm
K’chak
And eat him! I saw that prom dress woman at Whole Foods and she had THREE shopping carts full of Golden Retrievers…
Moon Mullins
July 2nd, 2012
8:11 pm
The response of one who has be e-rupted is to be ITeed OFF!
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
8:12 pm
BTW Jay, my 6:30 was a joke.
Obviously, a bad one.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
8:13 pm
Golden Retriever — the other white meat!
bman.
July 2nd, 2012
8:14 pm
Josef
Doggone/GA
July 2nd, 2012
8:15 pm
“The same one he’s shared with all — strap the Golden Retriever to the top of the car”
Irish Setter, not Golden Retriever
josef
July 2nd, 2012
8:17 pm
DOGGONE
That woman at Whole Foods says she only serves Irish Setter on St. Patrick’s Day…
bman.
July 2nd, 2012
8:20 pm
lol Josef
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
8:20 pm
And all this time I’ve been eating leprechauns on St. Patrick’s day.
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
8:29 pm
josef, your 7:15 is one of the reason I like this blog.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
8:31 pm
K’chak
What wine do you suggest for leprechaun?
Brosephus™
July 2nd, 2012
8:34 pm
Corey @ 7:27
Unfortunately for Mighty Righty and others like him, his GOP counterparts repealed regulations regarding the FDA’s ability to fast-track approval for new drugs. Therefore, the treatment for ODS is undergoing approval at a snail’s pace. If we see Obama re-elected, there may be a chance of that drug being approved by 2016.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
8:37 pm
josef
Vinho Verde, of course.
Leprechauns — they’re like magically delicious!
barking frog
July 2nd, 2012
8:38 pm
Unusual that so many who
comment here about how
the Bookman blog should
be conducted do not take
advantage of the free sites
at blogspot.com where
they could do it their way.
Towncrier
July 2nd, 2012
8:38 pm
Deceit, thy name is Obama (from the Telegraph):
Despite holding a narrow lead over his rival, the president informed the supporters that his ability to campaign and broadcast advertisements in key battleground states such as Florida and Ohio directly depended on their generosity.
Details of the call emerged days after Mr Obama warned supporters that he would be “the first president in modern history to be outspent” by his opponent unless donors upped their contributions.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
8:38 pm
BROSEPHUS
Took me two reads on that one….that was GOOD!
Towncrier
July 2nd, 2012
8:40 pm
“Details of the call emerged days after Mr Obama warned supporters that he would be “the first president in modern history to be outspent” by his opponent unless donors upped their contributions.”
And what exactly happened in 2008, when you opted NOT to take matching contributions like McCain did, Mr. President? Are you for real???
barking frog
July 2nd, 2012
8:40 pm
Kamchak
What sides do you serve
with leprechaun ?
josef
July 2nd, 2012
8:40 pm
FROG
Burger King blogs?
K’CHAK
I should have know that…how gauche of me!
Towncrier
July 2nd, 2012
8:43 pm
Hey josef, you never replied to my post about Reagan. Do you care to?
josef
July 2nd, 2012
8:45 pm
BTW…Hebrew National has leprecohens…
josef
July 2nd, 2012
8:48 pm
CRIER
I did, but you must’ve missed it…I deferred to someone better qualified than I to respond…
http://www.queerty.com/ron-reagan-jr-explained-that-whole-aids-thing-to-his-father-20110207/
Doggone/GA
July 2nd, 2012
8:48 pm
Josef – now that’s funny, I would have thought that was the one day NOT to serve Irish Setter!
barking frog
July 2nd, 2012
8:48 pm
do leprocohens come with
matzo balls?
josef
July 2nd, 2012
8:50 pm
FROG
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
8:52 pm
Frog
I’m a traditionalist — boiled potatoes, boiled cabbage, soda bread….
Towncrier
July 2nd, 2012
8:52 pm
“I did, but you must’ve missed it…I deferred to someone better qualified than I to respond…”
Okay…thanks for that. I don’t see how what Ron said justifies the anger gays have toward Reagan (which my post was about). It just seems he has been set up as some kind of convenient bogeyman on the right to blame for the way things turned out.
Wobble Baby
July 2nd, 2012
8:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE_64SdD27w&feature=fvwrel
barking frog
July 2nd, 2012
8:55 pm
Kamchak
all that would cost a
pot o’ gold..
josef
July 2nd, 2012
8:56 pm
CRIER
It was those first few years and his refusal to use the words in public…
K’CHAK
And trifle with Irish coffee for desert?
Towncrier
July 2nd, 2012
8:59 pm
“It was those first few years and his refusal to use the words in public…”
But they didn’t really have a handle on what AIDS was until 1984 or so. Read my post again. His first mention of it was in 1985.
Towncrier
July 2nd, 2012
8:59 pm
Okay…I’m out.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
9:01 pm
josef
Trifle, yes. Coffee, no.
Too much caffeine and I can’t sleep.
Irish Mist.
Eau de vie!
godless heathen
July 2nd, 2012
9:01 pm
Well I had to go to the smart phone place and get a new contraption today. OMG. It’s easier and quicker to buy a new car. Now trying to get the damn thing to do the things I want it to do and to not do the things I don’t want it to do. Anybody got a teenager I can borrow?
More on topic, our dwindling family was all together at Christmas time. I took a candid photo of everyone sitting around the living room after the big Christmas dinner. Brother, SIL, niece, her husband, and my nephew were all simultaneously intent on their smartphones. Family time, for sure.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
9:06 pm
CRIER
Not to get into a work-up here and now, but by 1985 I had already bid adieu to literally dozens of my friends. I’m not discussing the medical end of it. I am talking about the horrid silence that came from the White House by the leader of MY nation.
A lot has come of positive value for gay folks in the wake of that and in a bizarre and sad fashion, they did not die in silence for no reason. As I see it, the heterosexual population has done their act of atonement. But…when that page is re-opened, the symbol of it is Reagan and I can neither forgive or forget…
Brosephus™
July 2nd, 2012
9:09 pm
What wine do you suggest for leprechaun?
http://www.ghettowine.com/pics/wir/greenapple18.jpg
That’s the only way to go!!!!!!
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
9:12 pm
TC
Josef can probably speak to the accuracy of the book more than I, but check out “And the Band Played On”. I’m sure there are others.
http://www.amazon.com/And-Band-Played-On-Politics/dp/0312241356
I was told about the book by a guy I knew through my gf at the time. He died of AIDS in 95.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
9:14 pm
I do wonder what the billionaires will do once they realize they COULDN’T buy the Presidency after all?
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
9:15 pm
TC
Well complications due to AIDS, but you get my drift
Thanks
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
9:16 pm
joseff
I know that is a tough topic to approach. Hope all is well over there in Buckhead.
bman.
July 2nd, 2012
9:16 pm
Adam .. .. that isn’t the topic. It’s a dog/wine tasting event this evening.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
9:17 pm
BOTH
That book is the definitive of the time, place and events…and was a cathartic exercise for many of us…how DO we put it into perspective…
BROSPEHUS
Yeah, that’s the drink!
Brosephus™
July 2nd, 2012
9:22 pm
josef
That site is the ultimate guide to wine.
http://www.ghettowine.com/
You haven’t lived until you’ve swigged a fifth of MD 20/20.
Y’all have fun…. Time to hit the sack.
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
9:25 pm
Action packed on the other “front porch”
WOW
josef
July 2nd, 2012
9:26 pm
BOTH
Battening down the hatches for the Wednesday invasion!
As for the topic…it’s something that you try not to think about, file it away in the storage cabinets of the suppressed memories, but ever so often something is said or happens and it all comes tumbling out. When the younger gay people come talking to those of us who survived, you know you owe it to them to tell them the truth of those days and how we felt. It’s sort of like the beauty contest thing. You want them to know that you can go through something of that horror and still come out with a desire to live and enjoy life…
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
9:30 pm
josef
You are a good dude. As I have said before, regardless of some of our fellow blogger’s take, I got your back.
You seem to have had and are living a good life. I’m sure you haven’t done so because you have no apologies to make to anyone for who you are.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
9:33 pm
Anyone here remember the 60s era ads for Wild Russian Vanya Wine?
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
9:33 pm
josef
Are you the host for the 4th?
I’m going to my gf’s uncle’s. It is out in the burbs, but I don’t have to cook and I have a driver
YAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tom Middleton
July 2nd, 2012
9:34 pm
Jay, ever seen a sales rep fired for taking a personal phone call while talking to a customer? Amazing as it may sound, I have on several occasions, starting with the working advent of Generation X.
So how about “eXed,” as in eXed-friend, eXed-dinner companion, eXed-lover(LOL), etc. Did I say “eXed lover”? Bet it’s happened!
josef
July 2nd, 2012
9:35 pm
BOTH
Wow! Some folks just don’t know when to quit, do they?
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
9:36 pm
josef
CRAZY.
Tom Middleton
July 2nd, 2012
9:38 pm
Kam
No, but I remember the ones about the Plymouth salesman who couldn’t say Barracuda.
josef
July 2nd, 2012
9:38 pm
BOTH
Nyanh…we’re hitting the high road ourselves…those that want to use the house as a contact point have got their keys! Sorta like our folks who live in the Quarter and Mardi Gras…
Disgusted
July 2nd, 2012
9:39 pm
If given control of the Senate next year, McConnell said he would support using budget reconciliation rules to repeal it. Doing so would prohibit Senate filibusters and require only 51 votes to succeed. In 2010, Republicans lambasted Democrats for relying on these rules to pass the health care bill, calling their tactics unusual and hyperpartisan.
“I’m confident they’re going to give us the votes to repeal it,” he said of the American public. Associated Press
Well, there’s the strategy. It’s out in the open now. If you don’t want Obamacare, then see to it that Republican senators take the majority in the Senate and that Mitt Romney is elected. The strategy requires both events.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
9:43 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6N1VqqIfIM
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
9:44 pm
Plus ………………… never had airconditioning in a house (or car) until I was a senior in high school.
We all lived.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
9:46 pm
Unchecked liberalism:
“California bill would allow a child to have more than two parents”
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/02/4604048/california-bill-would-allow-a.html#storylink=cpy
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
9:48 pm
Headline: “Argentine leader: Equality as important as liberty”
One of the most dangerous statements that can be made. Millions have died under that evil brand.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
9:51 pm
“Let me get this straight . . .
We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don’t! Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that didn’t read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a Dumbo President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, for which we’ll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese , and financed by a country that’s broke !!!!!
What the hell could possibly go wrong?”
Supposedly authored by Donald Trump but whoever said it I applaud them !
josef
July 2nd, 2012
9:52 pm
BOTH
Getting better by the minute! Even Scout got an “honorable mention” at 8:38…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
9:56 pm
When air-conditioning is outlawed, only outlaws will have air-conditioning.
Just sayin’.
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
9:58 pm
josef
Everybody was Kung Fu fighting…………
josef
July 2nd, 2012
10:06 pm
BOTH
It looks drug related to me…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
10:07 pm
…………. or indoor toilets.
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
10:08 pm
josef
Don’t know what it is, but for cheap entertainment…………. It is otay.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
10:10 pm
“Grace Park is hawt!”
–Thomas Jefferson
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
10:11 pm
Josef
How’s the asylum? You in charge here tonight? Or are the inmates running the show?
Rightwing Troll
July 2nd, 2012
10:11 pm
So scout, did you ever share with us Mittens plan for healthcare? Since Golden retrievers are going to get better care than us after the ACA goes into effect, surely Mittens has an alternate plan… right?
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
10:13 pm
Scout, did you follow Jay’s “largest tax in history” thread? Did he ever cite a source, or did he just make it up on his own? (I don’t consider JB inc a credible economic data source)
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
10:14 pm
Jay, my word won, where’s my prize? I want my 6 pence and a pint of ale.
OK. I’ll settle for a another good blog topic tomorrow.
Deal?
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
10:16 pm
TBS, what’s good?
Hope you had a good weekend.
I sent you a msg to your email.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
10:16 pm
Jm: you know, I know your Google isn’t broken. Lots of articles have come out debunking the “largest increase in history” meme. One of them is on Politifact.
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
10:17 pm
TBG
Doing well. Hope you had a great weekend. Will check out email and respond probably tomorrow.
I’m out for the night.
Peace
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
10:24 pm
Adam. I don’t buy politifact. (kidding)
bman.
July 2nd, 2012
10:26 pm
Adam .. .. Surely you don’t believe that there won’t be additional taxes, penalties, additional revenue – however you want to word it – to fund this monster. This sucker is in Stage1.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
10:27 pm
Jm: Actually I wouldn’t blame you for being skeptical of them. They had some spin doctors on staff late 2011 and early tis year. Not sure if they cleaned house yet.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
10:27 pm
bman: You are saying new laws will be passed to add more taxes?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
10:29 pm
“It’s a tax!”
–Thomas “Admiral Ackbar” Jefferson
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
10:30 pm
Jm:
No ………… he’s good at “selective statistics”.
bman.
July 2nd, 2012
10:30 pm
Adam .. .. I’m not saying anything. It’s my guess that they will have to find some more $ to fund this monster.
They BOTH suck
July 2nd, 2012
10:31 pm
TBG
If you don’t know who she is, check out Cadillac Kimberly on youtube. Real raunchy but funny.
I usually check very few months to see if she has anything new. Thought you might want to check her out.
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
10:31 pm
Adam, it looks like the “largest tax” folks are lumping in the premiums people are now forced to pay also
See link
http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2012/06/29/is-obamacare-the-largest-tax-increase-in-u-s-history/
Seems a bit dubious to me
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
10:33 pm
Scout 10:30 yes he is
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
10:34 pm
Scout – what’s your take on the “honor” supreme court ruling (assuming you followed it)?
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
10:34 pm
Jm: I think if it is a larger tax than expected it will be because of the Republican governors who do not expand medicaid and therefore place a lot of people into a category of having the fine applied to them.
Eric
July 2nd, 2012
10:37 pm
Good article, Jay. Actually, I guess I am one of the few that turns off the cell phone during social engagements. I expect the other party to do the same out of respect for in-person communication as higher than technology.
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
10:39 pm
Adam, looks like politifact is jays source. See this same kind of article with a link to politifact
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/02/no-obamacare-isnt-the-largest-tax-increase-in-the-history-of-the-world-in-one-chart/
barking frog
July 2nd, 2012
10:40 pm
Jm
The mandate was to buy
health insurance (a tax).
the penalty is levied if you
don’t buy it.
Tom Middleton
July 2nd, 2012
10:41 pm
“Taxes are good.” –Our Founding Fathers after deciding we needed to pay the $70 million incurred by the American Revolution. Must have been liberals!
josef
July 2nd, 2012
10:44 pm
JM
The fun stuff is over at Kyle’s place tonight! Whoo-whee! The inmates over there are making ours look sedated!
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
10:45 pm
Jm: Politifact does its worst work when it tries to rate facebook memes. It’s best work comes from when they actually analyze real numbers, such as in this case.
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
10:45 pm
Adam actually looks like some liberal blogger at mother jones pulled the data together
That said, no reason to believe the data is wrong
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/07/no-obamacare-not-biggest-tax-increase-history
getalife
July 2nd, 2012
10:45 pm
It’s a tax.
No, it is a penalty.
Does it matter?
Where are the jobs?
That matters.
Focus people.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
10:46 pm
“No waxation without anesthetization.”
–Thomas “Kim Kardashian” Jefferson
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
10:49 pm
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
2:15 pm
It’s hilarious. Yet another “promise” Obama made that conservatives didn’t vote for, that he wouldn’t raise taxes. – but I’m a conservative and *I* voted for him. As did my neice.
So he raised taxes! You didn’t vote for him then,- Yes *I* did.
based on his promises you didn’t like, and you’re not going to vote for him NOW, – *I* may. I havn’t decided.
based on promises you don’t like. – Some I do some I don’t.
So what difference does it make to you what his promises were? – Because he is President of the UNITED STATES, not President of The DEMOCRATIC part of The United States.
His decisions affect “cons” too.
Even “cons” who VOTED for him, like me and my niece and others.
You know, us “indies”.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
10:55 pm
TBG: I don’t hear you making the case that Obama lied and freedom died though. Nor do you seem to be harping on every promise he failed to keep.
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
10:57 pm
Josef no lie
Sooth and Amvet stirring up a mess
Shark Punch!
July 2nd, 2012
10:58 pm
“iDon’t-give-a-%#$@”
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
10:58 pm
Getalife
There will be no more jobs
Or not many
Obama is playing golf
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 2nd, 2012
10:59 pm
The fun stuff is over at Kyle’s place tonight! Whoo-whee! The inmates over there are making ours look sedated!
Ol’ Sunspot is threatening to sue everybody!
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
11:00 pm
TBG
I voted for Obama too
Romney this time tho
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:02 pm
If you guys really voted for Obama last time then I have to ask why? Was it because he promised to close gitmo, and promised not to raise taxes (McCain promised that last one too)? Was it ANY of his promises?
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
11:02 pm
That blog post from Kyle is pretty entertaining
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
11:03 pm
Adam
I thought he was a better choice v McCain – palin
But not v Romney
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:03 pm
Jm: Why?
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
11:05 pm
I give credit to Obama for forcing republicans to deal with lingering issues
But I am now counting on repubs to fix obama’s mistakes
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
11:07 pm
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
10:55 pm
TBG: I don’t hear you making the case that Obama lied and freedom died though. Nor do you seem to be harping on every promise he failed to keep.
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That’s because, dispute the claims, ALL cons DON’T think alike, or spout the same crap.
Just pointing out the “broad brush”.
And, please save the “I didn’t say ALL “cons” parsing”.
I just have a problem with people trying to stuff fellow Americans in into boxes, so they can say “See, I was right”.
Same with the “Muricans” dig.
One of the left leaning people I know (my former section SGT) speaks like that. That’s just the way he speaks, being from the south.
And, of course, you weren’t talking about EVERYONE that pronounces Americans as ‘Murcans.
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
11:08 pm
Adam 11:03
Well palin is an easy target – awful choice and decision making
Obama – articulate, which can be confused for meaning intelligent, my mistake
In obama’s vacuous rhetoric I read: moderate, my mistake
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
11:11 pm
All right
Enough
Cheers all
fairportfan
July 2nd, 2012
11:11 pm
@JamVet – about the teacher with the cellphone jammer – the face i would have liked to see was his, after one of the kids ratted him out to the FCC and they showed up with the fines (and possible jail terms) for using the thing.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:11 pm
I’m not parsing you. You’re not advancing the argument that I was criticizing. I would like people to get down to following policy rather than party, and hopefully in a practical sense as well. And by that I mean if you vote for the guy who can’t win because you like what he advances, that creates a greater chance the policy moves in a direction AWAY from where you’d like it to go.
You seem to want to follow policy and I suspect we have agreement on a few issues we haven’t touched yet.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:11 pm
That last was to TBG
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
July 2nd, 2012
11:13 pm
Jm:
You mean the one on the “Stolen Valor” law ??
Here is the law: http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/704.html
I think the ruling was 6-3 but I disagree with it. I think it was a slap in the face of true veterans.
Of course this federal law is o.k.
“18 United States Code: Sec. 711a. “Woodsy Owl” character, name, or slogan
“Whoever, except as authorized under rules and regulations issued by the Secretary, knowingly and for profit manufactures, reproduces, or uses the character “Woodsy Owl”, the name “Woodsy Owl”, or the associated slogan, “Give a Hoot, Don’t Pollute” shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.”
http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/711a.html
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:14 pm
Scout: I am with you on that one. Maybe for different reasons, but I think that was a really crappy decision.
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
11:14 pm
Adam
I believe Romney will advance tax and budget reform, which I feel is 100% necessary before recovery can take hold
I’m not just voting against Obama
I am also voting FOR Romney, and the associated policies
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
11:14 pm
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
11:00 pm
TBG
I voted for Obama too
Romney this time tho
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I can’t say that for me Jm.
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Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:02 pm
If you guys really voted for Obama last time then I have to ask why? – I didn’t see a reason to vote for McCain. I saw McCain as Bush’s 3rd term.
Was it because he promised to close gitmo, – Nope.
and promised not to raise taxes (McCain promised that last one too)? – Nope.
Was it ANY of his promises? – Yup. His promise to usher in a new climate of gov’t. To be more for the voters and less for the monied interest. His promise of transparency. His promise to address the divisiveness in Washington and this country.
Yes, he made promises that he had failed on , IMO.
But then again, he IS a politician.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:17 pm
Jm: I really don’t like Romney’s tax ideas. He wants to shift the burden downward. I also dont’ see that as being a way to actually solve the deficit.
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
11:18 pm
Scout 11:13 I hear you. I think someone profiting from lying about their service record should be at least subject to fines in proportion to the “profits”
It is messy though
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:20 pm
TBG: His promise to usher in a new climate of gov’t.
That wasn’t his exact wording was it? Because if so I’d have to say PROMISE KEPT (lol)
Seriously though I think he’s been way more transparent than he needed to be on plenty of issues and events.
Of course I voted for different promises and he kept all of those and then some I didn’t even focus on but like the results of. I do like where he made the pendulum go, whether we count obstruction or not. Especially after Obamacare (that one is going to slap those who coined it in the face) was upheld.
Jm
July 2nd, 2012
11:21 pm
Adam 11:17 it’s the only way to close the deficit unless you accept massive cuts
Everyone is going to pay and suffer from the debt explosion
Ok really out now
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
11:21 pm
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:11 pm
I’m not parsing you. – I know that. I was trying to “head you off at the pass”
You’re not advancing the argument that I was criticizing. I would like people to get down to following policy rather than party, and hopefully in a practical sense as well. And by that I mean if you vote for the guy who can’t win because you like what he advances, that creates a greater chance the policy moves in a direction AWAY from where you’d like it to go. – Not sure where you are going with this in regards to me.
You seem to want to follow policy and I suspect we have agreement on a few issues we haven’t touched yet. – ACA is a perfect example. I’m for single payer. Obama was for single payer. He WUSSED on it. What we have now will take YEARS to fix, and in the meantime the ins co’s mill be stacking their chips.
Bottom line: Will I vote for Obama again? Don’t know. Will I vote for Romney, most likely not.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:22 pm
Jm: It’s not just shifting downward that he wants to do, he also wants to cut taxes on the top. Total dollar amounts post Romney tax plans are net loss.
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
11:24 pm
“I didn’t see a reason to vote for McCain. I saw McCain as Bush’s 3rd term.”
I left off “I didn’t see Obama as Bush’s 3rd term, but here we are, Bush 2.0″
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:25 pm
TBG: I can see that now that it has been upheld, it might take longer to get single payer. But I think it’s actually more likely to get more bipartisan support over time now, as opposed to becoming the very next partisan issue. I could be wrong. Who can say what might have happened? But I think if you’re going to oppose the ACA wholesale for any reason other than it’s not single payer seems to be more of a partisan thing that would, if successful, lead to more partisan bickering in the future (either you’re for single payer, or you’re for keeping a really REALLY broken system).
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
11:34 pm
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:20 pm
TBG: His promise to usher in a new climate of gov’t.
That wasn’t his exact wording was it? Because if so I’d have to say PROMISE KEPT (lol) – You MAY have a point.
Seriously though I think he’s been way more transparent than he needed to be on plenty of issues and events. – I disagree.
Of course I voted for different promises and he kept all of those and then some I didn’t even focus on but like the results of. I do like where he made the pendulum go, whether we count obstruction or not. Especially after Obamacare (that one is going to slap those who coined it in the face) was upheld. – That’s part of the problem I have with Obama. He encourages the “Slap them in the face” mindset. I long to get away from that. I want a statesman who realizes that it is more important to serve the people than it is to “win” or *punish our enemies*. That mindset leads us ALL down a dark road to despair. Remember, that which “libs” cheer their political leaders for doing/saying, “cons” will do the same when they have the WH and congressional majority.
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:38 pm
That’s part of the problem I have with Obama. He encourages the “Slap them in the face” mindset.
The point I was making was that all of this vitriol and hate for the bill was partially hinged on tying it to Obama’s name. And now that it has been upheld, all that effort to hinge it on his name will now be a net benefit to Obama, rather than a negative, which was the whole point of 3 years wirth of virtiolic BS.
I think if someone’s going to spend 3 years on the same exact vitriolic BS then you deserve to be smacked in the face over it. And it’s not even the opposition’s hand that does it – it’s their own.
Whoop - Ti- Doo
July 2nd, 2012
11:39 pm
Anderson Cooper is homo. As if no one knew it. Most on the left wing pro Obama networks are biased in favor of homo marriage for a reason – they are “gay”.
Anderson Coopie!
July 2nd, 2012
11:43 pm
Obama never met a tax or a big brother program he didn’t vote for. EVERY one knows Obama is a tax and spend liberal. If you expect him to cut the deficit you are going to be disappointed.
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
11:44 pm
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:25 pm
TBG: I can see that now that it has been upheld, it might take longer to get single payer. But I think it’s actually more likely to get more bipartisan support over time now, as opposed to becoming the very next partisan issue. – Adam, it WILL continue to be a partisan issue as long as we have voters that encourage the politicians to be rude, crude and divisive. On BOTH SIDES. (not going to play your equality game tonight).
I could be wrong. Who can say what might have happened? But I think if you’re going to oppose the ACA wholesale for any reason other than it’s not single payer seems to be more of a partisan thing that would, if successful, lead to more partisan bickering in the future – Never said that’s the only thing I oppose, just the biggest. I also dislike the influence the ins co’s had and how much they stand to gain. It does not adequately address healthcare COSTS. It still leaves at least 25 million Americans without coverage. I HATE the way it was passed (they opened the door for repubs to do the same things when the power swings back to them. AND it WILL)
(either you’re for single payer, or you’re for keeping a really REALLY broken system). – Isn’t that the binary whatchagiggy you guys are always talking about?
That Black Guy
July 2nd, 2012
11:46 pm
Adam
July 2nd, 2012
11:38 pm
______________________
Ok, now I understand and partially agree.
That Black Guy
July 3rd, 2012
12:07 am
Adam, thank you for the exchange.
Time to call it a night. Damn Obama economy has me working early tomorrow.
Remember. AMERICA and AMERICANS first. dems and repubs fifth or sixth.
BADA BING
July 3rd, 2012
5:47 am
Anyone who interrupts you with any type of communication device will henceforth be known as an e tard.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
July 3rd, 2012
6:04 am
Good morning all y’alkl…Great Luckovich this morning…
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/?cxntlid=sldr_hm
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
July 3rd, 2012
6:17 am
…and another…
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/07/02/political-pictures-too-humane/
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
July 3rd, 2012
6:35 am
As to the topic…call it e-bad manners. The trouble today is that no one, it seems, is teaching good manners and respect for your fellow man or woman.
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“the fact that Adam was granted the right to name Eve…”
I wonder if he got to name his first wife,Lilith, too…
Rightwing Troll
July 3rd, 2012
6:47 am
That’s about what I figured from the bible spouting “debate” guy…
He can’t answer or produce his own list of “5 impeachable offenses”.
Can’t give us one single solitary example of business killing regulation that Obama enacted.
Can’t give an honest answer or debate his assertion that Golden Retrievers will be better cared for than the American people.
But he can give us 1001 bible verses that excuse the GOP (and ONLY the GOP) for being ungodly, treasonous, scallywags… and presume to pronounce judgement on the rest of us…at least he’s got that going for him…
Rightwing Troll
July 3rd, 2012
6:49 am
“cellulus interruptis “…
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
July 3rd, 2012
7:09 am
Rightwing Troll
July 3rd, 2012
6:49 am
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
July 3rd, 2012
7:14 am
USinUK,
If you’re out there….Good day to you…
I don’t remember if I asked you this before, but is tomorrow a day of mourning over there?
JamVet
July 3rd, 2012
7:18 am
Normal. good morning and you’re right.
Luckovich rocks.
As for Flop Romney – what a sorry individual and embarrassing candidate, huh?
So although a RINO, at least the Integrity-Free Party did a good job selecting this one…
stands for decibels
July 3rd, 2012
7:19 am
Jm: I think if it is a larger tax than expected it will be because of the Republican governors who do not expand medicaid
I wonder how many, really and truly, will go through with this election year stunt that directly harms their own constituents.
stands for decibels
July 3rd, 2012
7:27 am
Great Luckovich this morning…
The guy is good. He knows just how much to hold back. (You probably don’t want to know what I would’ve had, hanging from that tree.)
Jm
July 3rd, 2012
7:41 am
“I wonder how many, really and truly, will go through with this election year stunt that directly harms their own constituents.”
Don’t know. But increasing Medicaid harms constituents too. It is mostly a zero sum game, and possibly a negative sum game, and for every person that benefits on this, someone (or more) are being harmed. So let’s not pretend it is a no brainer.
It is a question of policy.
stands for decibels
July 3rd, 2012
7:41 am
The editor emeritus of The Washington Times has a piece on Roberts that’s a howler, worth sharing.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/3/pruden-the-seduction-of-chief-justice-roberts/
Chief Justice Roberts has bequeathed to the rest of us a monstrosity of a health care system, now embedded in the law, where it will only grow, fester and metastasize. Worst of all, Chief Justice Roberts has given Congress, and all the Congresses to follow, the unrestrained power to rob, plunder and pillage as long as they call it a “tax.”
The damage is likely to be catastrophic. The voters, we are confidently told, can fix the damage in November if they elect a new president. That’s an enormous “if,” and absent a George McGovern or Walter Mondale there’s never a slam dunk in presidential politics. Despite his promise to “repeal and replace” as the first act of his presidency, Mitt Romney could have a compliant House but he’s unlikely to inherit a Republican Senate. Without enough congressional allies, all the new president can do is shake his fist while Obamacare grows, festers and metastasizes.
Aww. Sound like someone needs a little cheering up.
stands for decibels
July 3rd, 2012
7:44 am
But increasing Medicaid harms constituents too.
Pretty serious stretch of the word “harms,” there.
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
7:46 am
Normal
“I don’t remember if I asked you this before, but is tomorrow a day of mourning over there?”
I asked a Brit friend that. He replied, “The 4th? Oh yes, that’s when we got rid of some rebellious colonists, isn’t it?”
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 3rd, 2012
7:49 am
“I don’t remember if I asked you this before, but is tomorrow a day of mourning over there?”
G’morning to YOU, Normal!!
you have no idea how HARD it is to go to work on 4th of July knowing that I’m missing out on bbq and watermelon!!
as my (British) mister likes to say “you’ll be back … they always come back”
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
7:49 am
morning, stands
“I wonder how many, really and truly, will go through with this election year stunt that directly harms their own constituents.”
We have billions in our yearly deficit.
Yearly cutbacks to poor and children health programs.
26% of Texans with no insurance.
No work done on insurance exchanges, so they’ll have to follow the federal model.
An AG who vows to continue the fight against ObamaCare.
Spending $500 million a year for inmate healthcare that could be completely covered by Medicaid.
So the answer is…
Of course Texas’s governor and Republican officials will not participate!
Welcome to my world.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 3rd, 2012
7:49 am
Paul – 7:46 –
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
7:51 am
Morning, USinUK
How long did it take you to get used to the Brit habit of ending a statement with a rhetorical question?
And…. did you ever answer the questions as they were said, just to watch their reaction?
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 3rd, 2012
7:51 am
Paul – and how much with the states pay to FIGHT implementation of the new healthcare law … rather than, you know, SERVE THEIR CONSTITUENTS!!!
oy.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 3rd, 2012
7:52 am
Paul – hahaha … they think that Americans have no sense of irony – they just don’t realize that, in our current political climate, irony hasn’t jus died, it has died, then been run over, shot and held under water for good measure …
stands for decibels
July 3rd, 2012
7:53 am
by the way, I’d never seen the “Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry” site linked by Jay in his post. Kind of interesting, inasmuch as it tries mightily to be fair and balanced from a Christ-with-an-Uppercase-”C”-centric vantage point.
I do think more than a few Jehovah’s Witnesses (to say nothing of some Unitarians) might be surprised to learn from this site that they’re not Christians, however.
stands for decibels
July 3rd, 2012
7:54 am
Of course Texas’s governor and Republican officials will not participate!
For what it’s worth, I saw Howard Dean on my TeeVee last night, telling me that TX’s hospital network is among the best in the world, and that any governor who would deny this medicaid funding would catch (his words) “holy hell” from the bigger hospitals.
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
7:58 am
Hey JamVet, something to make your day. To file away for all those “but those aren’t subsidies, they’re compensation for risk” and “we have the highest corporate taxes in the world!!!” ypes.
“Old law saves drillers on taxes
“Chesapeake Energy has made $5.5 billion in pretax profits since its founding more than two decades ago. But the second-largest U.S. natural gas producer has paid income taxes on almost none of it.
Chesapeake paid $53 million over its 23-year history, or about 1 percent of the cumulative pretax profits during that period, data compiled by Bloomberg show. That’s less than half the compensation received by CEO Aubrey McClendon in 2008 alone, for example.
“…The company and other U.S. oil and gas producers can thank a century-old rule that allows them to postpone income taxes in recognition of the inherent risk of drilling wells that may turn out to be dry. The break may be outdated for companies such as Chesapeake, which thanks to advances in technology struck oil or gas in 99.6 percent of its wells last year…”
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/07/02/4075035/old-law-saves-drillers-on-taxes.html#storylink=misearch
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 3rd, 2012
7:59 am
“Chesapeake Energy has made $5.5 billion in pretax profits since its founding more than two decades ago. But the second-largest U.S. natural gas producer has paid income taxes on almost none of it.”
but … but … but … they’re JOB CREATORS … they shouldn’t HAVE to pay taxes!!!
Jm
July 3rd, 2012
8:01 am
“Pretty serious stretch of the word “harms,” there.”
I disagree
To pay for the expansion of Medicaid, financial resources will have to be taken from everyone else
A good portion of thos people live at the margin, and will therefore have to elect to stop paying for something (possibly even health insurance, or maybe it’s buying a safer new car, who knows), and they will be harmed
And since the government does such a poor job of allocating and using Medicaid money, it is probably a net loss to the system
Jm
July 3rd, 2012
8:02 am
“Chesapeake Energy has made $5.5 billion in pretax profits since its founding more than two decades ago. But the second-largest U.S. natural gas producer has paid income taxes on almost none of it.”
Sorry you apparently don’t understand US tax law.
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
8:02 am
stands
The hospitals have a full-court pressure press underway. Lots of good info about, it’s not just the federal Medicaid dollars lost, it’s the increased costs that occur with nonimplementation.
But remember, we have a deficit well over $10 billion (state’s not exactly sure how much) and a governor who, as we saw in the primary battle, thinks he balanced the state’s budget, so……..
Adam
July 3rd, 2012
8:03 am
Actually no, expanding medicaid does NOT cause harm to their constituents. NOT expanding it doesn’t just mean they won’t have coverage, it ALSO means some of them will be assessed that individual mandate penalty. And regardless of what the states do or do not do with Medicaid, the same number of people making over 200/250k or getting capital gains or using tanning beds etc will STILL pay the same amount in taxes.
NOT expanding Medicaid has only one benefit, and that is to make it more possible that the whole law won’t add tot he deficit by the federal government not having to give the states extra money. And that benefit doesn’t go the Republicans’ way either.
They are placing all their eggs in this basket of assumption that Obama will be blamed if THEY deliberately deny health care to their citizens. I think that’s pretty dumb. Hard red states might not vote them out, but they WILL NOT like that, and they wont’ blame Obama except in that hard right “everything is Obama’s fault” way.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
July 3rd, 2012
8:03 am
USinUK,
I like your husbands view…I think that’s what the “Right” is afraid of…
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Good morning Paul,
I wonder id they’d still want us now?.
I’ve been over at the Rachel Maddow site, listening to Izra Klein fill in. Good stuff today.
Blurbs from the Right Wing Pundits ranging from “biggest tax burden in the country” to “biggest tax burden in the universe”…Sheesh!
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
8:03 am
Jm
It’s not about not understanding the law.
Digging rabbit holes a bit early, aren’t you?
Adam
July 3rd, 2012
8:04 am
And since the government does such a poor job of allocating and using Medicaid money,
Curious but, which government are you talking about when you say this? State or Federal?
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
8:05 am
Jm
“To pay for the expansion of Medicaid, financial resources will have to be taken from everyone else
A good portion of thos people live at the margin”
What will be taken from those who live at the margin?
Jm
July 3rd, 2012
8:07 am
Paul
You might also want to learn how MLPs work, which make up a big part of Chesapeake “income”
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CHKM&ql=1
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 3rd, 2012
8:07 am
“And since the government does such a poor job of allocating and using Medicaid money, it is probably a net loss to the system”
aaaaaaaaaaand, once again, the facts just don’t support JM –
http://www.kff.org/medicaid/upload/7306%20ten%20myths%20about%20Medicaid_final-3.pdf
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
8:07 am
Jm
Your 8:02
More on point: saying ‘but it’s the law” as a response to addressing a shortcoming in the law is rather like a person saying “my car gets only 10 mpg when I stomp on the gas on around-town trips” and someone else explaining why that happens by saying “but it’s a car!”
10 Companies Making The Biggest Political Donations: 24/7 Wall St.
July 3rd, 2012
8:09 am
24/7 Wall St.: With the U.S. presidential election heating up, 24/7 Wall St. decided to examine public companies’ political contributions in the current election cycle. The donations include monies given to political parties, candidates, and political action committees. The figures are staggering and have prompted many to ask whether money can buy a seat in the House, Senate, or even the presidency itself.
The Republican presidential candidate, Mitt Romney, the Romney Victory Fund, and the Republican National Committee raised more than $76.8 million in May alone. This one month does not include what Romney and his supporters raised for the primaries, or the growing amount he will need as the presidential election shifts into high gear. While President Obama has raised more overall, his campaign and the Democratic party only raised $60 million for his re-election effort in May.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/02/corporate-political-donations_n_1644375.html
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
8:09 am
Normal
“Blurbs from the Right Wing Pundits ranging from “biggest tax burden in the country” to “biggest tax burden in the universe”…Sheesh!”
They do intend to make hyperbole the new national drink, don’t they?
Mick
July 3rd, 2012
8:12 am
Good morning fellow americans…the republic is still standing and despite the desperate rantings of some that the sky is falling, here comes another 4th of july as we move toward another pivotal election. Really, all you naysayers and fainting couch residents – get a grip!!! Enjoy the celebrations, freedom is as strong as ever, it’s just more expensive…
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 3rd, 2012
8:12 am
“They do intend to make hyperbole the new national drink, don’t they?”
if it wasn’t for hyperbole, they’d have no rhetoric left!
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 3rd, 2012
8:13 am
“Enjoy the celebrations, freedom is as strong as ever, it’s just more expensive”
which is why freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
8:13 am
Jm 8:07
Now what you’re doing is like a person saying to a doctor “that person died because you didn’t give him antibiotics” and the doctor says “let me explain to you how disease and infections occur.”
How plainly can I put this?
It’s not about how the tax laws are now written to benefit a particular industry.
It’s about, //as the headline to the article stated// that those laws are from another time, no longer have the effect they were intended to have with nearly 100% of drilling operations hitting paydirt and that it’s a multibillion-dollar sweetheart deal.
So… please don’t come back with “this is how much it costs to drill a well and these are the write-offs the law allows.”
stands for decibels
July 3rd, 2012
8:16 am
Jm @ 8.01, those living at the margin are going to be COVERED by Medicaid now.
Those who are doing a bit better might wind up losing a bit of a tax break here, and paying a bit more for something else there. I’m sorry, but after hearing variants of “47% are FREELOADERZ!!” non stop for years now from the right, this sudden claim of compassion for them rings pretty false.
Mick
July 3rd, 2012
8:17 am
Three fingered fellows named shorty, they ain’t got nothing to lose, iko iko…good afternoon usinuk, another day in paradise….
Adam
July 3rd, 2012
8:17 am
Seriously, in case it was missed:
NOT expanding Medicaid does NOTHING to reduce the amount of people who pay Obamacare taxes. In fact, it INCREASES the taxes drawn and DECREASES the spending.
It also f*cks a lot of people over. But it’s best not to worry about such minutiae….
stands for decibels
July 3rd, 2012
8:17 am
anyways, gots to go produce. Later, maybe, when Jay’s got something new for us.
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
8:18 am
USinUK
Gonna try something different for burgers this year. Several great burger joints around use a combination of chuck and brisket. Tyler Florence and others have written about all-brisket burgers: ideal fat content, great flavor, all the essentials of a tasty burger.
So I’m going to go pick up a 12-pound brisket and start grinding.
And wanna start a real argument this morning?
The other offering will be Nathan’s hot dogs, the best!
And deviled eggs and potato salad prepared the only true way…..
JamVet
July 3rd, 2012
8:19 am
Sorry you apparently don’t understand MASSIVE corporate welfare and socialism for mega-corporations. (capitalism for the working man.)
It’s OK, Jm, hopefully YOU get to pick up some of their tab.
Since you don’t want them to pay not just their fair share, but nothing at all…
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
8:20 am
Jm
Local paper reported Sunday that the average Texas family’s health insurance policy is inflated by $1800 a year to cover care for those without insurance.
Have you used that in your calculations about how much others will have to pay for ObamaCare? You know, add it up, then deduct the $1800 a year which will be no longer necessary?
Mick
July 3rd, 2012
8:21 am
paul
**The other offering will be Nathan’s hot dogs, the best!**
No argument there, prefer the casing ones though…
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
8:22 am
Adam
“Seriously, in case it was missed:”
Oh, I think the tv and radio mantra creators didn’t miss it.
They just ignored it.
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
8:23 am
Mick
Gonna have to look for those. And I like the shorter ones, not those long, skinny ‘fill the bun with some sticking out’ types.
I think they taste better. Same ingredients, different shapes, tastes different. Like with pasta. It’s just plain weird.
Jm
July 3rd, 2012
8:24 am
Paul
MLPs don’t pay taxes because the shareholders do directly via k1s
Yes, US tax law also encourages energy exploration. Shocker
Ok, have to go, sorry
Mountain climbing calls today
Mick
July 3rd, 2012
8:24 am
jamvet
Saw ringo the other nite with todd rundgren, guitar player and sax from toto, bass player from mister mister, and the keyboard player from the original santana lineup..yup, they played the greatest hits of each of those bands…just an incredible blend of music, I’m still humming some of those toto tunes…
godless heathen
July 3rd, 2012
8:27 am
Have you used that in your calculations about how much others will have to pay for ObamaCare? You know, add it up, then deduct the $1800 a year which will be no longer necessary?
Are illegals going to get insurance under Obamacare?
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
8:28 am
Jm
Enjoy, and be safe!
Mick
July 3rd, 2012
8:30 am
paul
I don’t know what mountains jm will be climbing in florida, the highest peaks in the state are the trash dumps…have fun jm, make sure to shower after…
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 3rd, 2012
8:30 am
“The other offering will be Nathan’s hot dogs, the best!”
did I hear something recently about Nathans not really being kosher or something like that???
I do dogs maybe once a year – but, when I do, they have to be slaw dogs from the Varsity (introduced Graham to the V’s Chilli Dogs last time we were home … he ate 6 of them)
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 3rd, 2012
8:31 am
Jm – ON BELAY!!!
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
8:31 am
godless heathen
That’s another thing, explicit prevention, that Republicans wanted and Pres Obama put in. So, as Jay put it, once Pres Obama gave Republicans what they wanted on illegals, the mandate, and a host of other particulars, they still opposed the bill.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
July 3rd, 2012
8:32 am
“Pres Obama gave Republicans what they wanted on illegals, the mandate, and a host of other particulars, they still opposed the bill.”
AND accused him of not negotiating …
Adam
July 3rd, 2012
8:32 am
Are illegals going to get insurance under Obamacare?
OK so you can’t reduce the amount people overpay for other people down to $0, which I assume was your point. But do you see no net benefit in increasing the pool by putting more CITIZENS into it?
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
July 3rd, 2012
8:33 am
Morning all…..
I get to take Toddler G to his first real 4th of July fireworks show.
There us nothing better than his face when it lights up in wonder.
Hope each of you gets a bit of “wonder” this holiday.
JamVet
July 3rd, 2012
8:36 am
Mick, glad you enjoyed it.
I’ve watched some of the youtubes and it looks great!
Mick
July 3rd, 2012
8:40 am
jamvet
I believe he’ll be up that way in a few days…ringo is one funny cool man, not to mention a pretty darn good drummer…
Paul
July 3rd, 2012
8:45 am
You, too, Granny. Enjoy.
Adam
July 3rd, 2012
8:46 am
AND accused him of not negotiating …
It’s like “somebody goes to the restaurant, orders a big steak dinner, martini, all that stuff and then just as you’re sitting down, they leave and accuse you of running up the tab. That’s what they do”
Adam
July 3rd, 2012
8:47 am
The comments on that video are funny. People live in a bubble sometimes. His analogy was totally apt and only the Bush/GOP faithful think this explanation is somehow a loser for him.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
July 3rd, 2012
8:48 am
What’s all this talk about Nathan’s dogs? The Normal family is having porter houses. I cut the sirloin out for the ladies, and the men get the T-bone. Kids get veggie burgers…just kidding…
godless heathen
July 3rd, 2012
8:52 am
OK so you can’t reduce the amount people overpay for other people down to $0, which I assume was your point. But do you see no net benefit in increasing the pool by putting more CITIZENS into it?
Just asking. Article I read said 1/2 of the uninsured folks in the US were undocumented workers. I would guess the fraction in Tx to be much larger.
But if you don’t put enough healthy CITIZENS into the pool, then you won’t offset all the additional costs imposed on the insurance companies and we all just pay more and more.
Adam
July 3rd, 2012
8:53 am
godless: But if you don’t put enough healthy CITIZENS into the pool, then you won’t offset all the additional costs imposed on the insurance companies and we all just pay more and more.
OK, but isn’t that addressed by the individual mandate and other aspects of the law, even without the medicaid expansion?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
July 3rd, 2012
8:55 am
The current premiums or contributions we make to current healthcare plans via employer or direct will increase 30-40% during an after this crap bill gets up to speed. Insurance is a pool and since these carriers will have to write newbies at a loss in the aggregate, they will increase premiums for the balance of us…not to mention the underwriting strain to accomodate pre-existing conditions which is not insurance.
This does not include the 600b to 1 trillion of taxpayer expense per CBO…Get real people, when has the government ever been able to stick to a budget…???
kayaker 71
July 3rd, 2012
8:57 am
Blue Cross Alabama has published some figures on Medicare hikes. It appears that the present $96.40/mo will be increased to 104.20 in 2012, 120.20 in 2013 and will increase to 247/mo in 2014. Note that more than doubling the premium doesn’t start until after the 2012 election. “No tax increases for those who earn less than 250K/yr….. not one thin dime”. More lies.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
July 3rd, 2012
9:01 am
KAYAKER,
My point exactly..all these sheepish and blinded President Trillions groupies can’t seem to grasp this fact..not to mention the addition of a Trillion of so to deficit per CBO….Don’t even get me started on the impact on supply of providers…..
Jay
July 3rd, 2012
9:04 am
Stevie Ray, you’re making stuff up again.
The CBO says ObamaCare will REDUCE the deficit, not increase it by a trillion.
But you can continue argument in the freshly made room upstairs.
JamVet
July 3rd, 2012
9:06 am
F Blue Cross of Anywhere. Along with the other giant HMOs.
THEY are the ones who have created this disaster.
Once again, just so there is no mistaking how I feel about those thieves and what they have done to American families, they can all FOAD.
St Simons - we're on Island time, mon
July 3rd, 2012
9:19 am
Higgs boson particle found. Checkmate, talibangelical theocons.
Adam
July 3rd, 2012
10:25 am
Jay: Is there an analysis of the CBO report that says that that I can reasonably bill as coming from a non-partisan or conservative source?
Jay
July 3rd, 2012
10:40 am
Adam, there’s the CBO report itself.
In its March 2012 update — http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/03-13-Coverage%20Estimates.pdf — it notes that “CBO and JCT (Joint Committee on Taxation) have previously estimated that the ACA will, on net, reduce budget deficits over the 2012–2021 period; that estimate of the overall budgetary impact of the ACA has not been updated.”
Adam
July 3rd, 2012
11:41 am
Jay: Thanks.