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I’m trying to decide which right-wing reaction to Thursday’s Supreme Court ruling on ObamaCare is my favorite, and I just can’t settle on one winner. So maybe you could help me.

Here are your options:

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A. An angry Glenn Beck — but I repeat myself — referring to Chief Justice John Roberts as “the Dread Pirate Roberts” and announcing that his website would be selling T-shirts featuring Roberts’ picture and the caption “Coward,” all for just $30.

B.) U.S. Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, celebrating after hearing initial and incorrect reports that the Supreme Court had struck down the mandate:

C.) The statement put out by Roy Nicholson, chairman of the Mississippi Tea Party, who went all Jefferson Davis on us:

“All of us are now simply chattel of the government to be used and ordered about as they choose. The history books will mark this date as the day our constitutional republic was killed. It will now rest with We The People to decide if it will be resurrected or left to rot in the shallow grave dug for it.

Where is the weeping and wailing? Where is the anger and outrage? Do the people of the country realize what has just been stolen from them? Do the people of the world recognize that the shadow of darkness is now fallen upon them as well and that there remains no defender of their feeble freedoms? The all-out oppression of all people has begun.

Those “occupiers” now controlling the three federal branches of government have joined together in rejecting all Constitutional restraint and in doing so they have severely violated their oaths to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Together they now stand as blatant usurpers of power and have reduced our constitutional republic, along with all of its freedoms, to nothing more than a dictatorial junta. Becoming a banana republic is next.

When a gang of criminals subvert legitimate government offices and seize all power to themselves without the real consent of the governed their every act and edict is of itself illegal and is outside the bounds of the Rule of Law. In such cases submission is treason. Treason against the Constitution and the valid legitimate government of the nation to which we have pledged our allegiance for years. To resist by all means that are right in the eyes of God is not rebellion or insurrection, it is patriotic resistance to invasion.

May all of us fall on our faces before the Heavenly Judge, repent of our sins, and humbly cry out to Him for mercy on our country. And, may godly courageous leaders rise up in His wisdom and power to lead us in displacing the criminal invaders from their seats and restore our constitutional republic.”

D.) Matt Davis, former spokesman for the Michigan Republican Party, who posed the question:

Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?

“Implicit in Benjamin Franklin’s fabled response at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention was a dire warning: That the Republic would one day devolve into tyranny unless we the people prevented it.

In 2008, we the people elected Barack Obama as president, and the 100-year progressive trek to tyranny begun in 1912 with Woodrow Wilson’s election was complete. It cannot be said too many times — for the purposes of emphasis and clarity — that the Constitution was possible ONLY AFTER the American Revolution; and that the war itself would not have been possible without the collective agreement, as so eloquently articulated in the Declaration of Independence, that the course of human events will sometimes justify one group of people to sever themselves from their oppressors.

In other words, America itself was possible only after its people summoned the will to risk their lives and their futures — as well as those of their children — for a freedom they did not enjoy but knew was their gift from God. Along with their desire to be free came their willingness to engaged in armed rebellion for their freedom.

If government can mandate that I pay for something I don’t want, then what is beyond its power? If the Supreme Court’s decision Thursday paves the way for unprecedented intrusion into personal decisions, then has the Republic all but ceased to exist? If so, then is armed rebellion today justified?

God willing, this oppression will be lifted and America free again before the first shot is fired.”

Or as they put it in the music-video version:

E.) U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, who clearly wasn’t paying attention when he was studying constitutional law back in ophthalmology school:

“Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional.”

F.) Ben Shapiro, editor-at-large of Breitbart.com, who tweeted:

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Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we await your verdict.

– Jay Bookman

1,085 comments Add your comment

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 30th, 2012
12:00 pm

Jay, we need an all of the above! :D How many times will these Chicken Little conned cry that America is doomed and the gullible sheep of the party follow them.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 30th, 2012
12:03 pm

Apparently freedom to vote is just too much “freedom” for many cons that only believe in America if it fits their vision. Oh how the hate the true freedom.

Dave

June 30th, 2012
12:07 pm

Obamacare equated to separate but equal?

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
12:08 pm

I say let’s all buy a Glenn Speck T-shirt, have a jumping up and down hissy, buy some assault rifles in Arizona, mount an armed insurrection and rid the country of all of these librul bed wetters.

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
12:12 pm

A) Glenn Beck is obviously drinking again.

B) That con woman needs an exorcism.

C) Mississippi probably needs to secede.

D) Michigan’s Aryan nation and Skinheads unite!

E) Rand who?

F) Fainting couches for Ben and everyone at coward.com

The poll itself is almost impossible to answer. It is like asking which player on the 1962 Mets was the most responsible for their 40 – 120 season….

Zebra

June 30th, 2012
12:16 pm

My favorite has to be Rand Paul because it is so patently stoopid and because he is an elected Tea Party member.

ByteMe - Political thug

June 30th, 2012
12:17 pm

My fav was Colbert’s response to the FOX and CNN getting it wrong:

“You. Suck. At. News.”

larry

June 30th, 2012
12:19 pm

The funny thing about it, or maybe not so funny, is that people actually will take these extremists seriously. I am scared that someone will do something stupid between now and the election. God forbid, i hope nothing happens.

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
12:21 pm

Growing warlike comments
by influential people can
bring the dangerous out
in force. More Mcveighs
may be in the future.

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
12:21 pm

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June 30th, 2012
12:22 pm

Jay:

I like this quote :

“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln

Zebra

June 30th, 2012
12:23 pm

My other fave is the meme that the wingnuts will be motivated now, as if they haven’t been foaming at the mouth for 4 years.

Hehe, as in now you’ve gone and done it son. We are really motivated and I mean it this time.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
12:23 pm

…………. and, I thought this was worth considering also:

“Chief Justice Roberts Is A Genius

Posted on June 28, 2012 by I.M. Citizen

Before you look to do harm to Chief Justice Roberts or his family, it’s important that you think carefully about the meaning – the true nature — of his ruling on Obama-care. The Left will shout that they won, that Obama-care was upheld and all the rest. Let them.

It will be a short-lived celebration.

Here’s what really occurred — payback. Yes, payback for Obama’s numerous, ill-advised and childish insults directed toward SCOTUS.

Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That’s how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can’t compel American citizens to purchase anything. Ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.

Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax. This is also critical.

Recall back during the initial Obama-care battles, the Democrats called it a penalty, Republicans called it a tax. Democrats consistently soft sold it as a penalty. It went to vote as a penalty. Obama declared endlessly, that it was not a tax, it was a penalty. But when the Democrats argued in front of the Supreme Court, they said ‘hey, a penalty or a tax, either way’. So, Roberts gave them a tax. It is now the official law of the land — beyond word-play and silly shenanigans. Obama-care is funded by tax dollars. Democrats now must defend a tax increase to justify the Obama-care law.

Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — ‘comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.’ Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can’t penalize the state by yanking other funding. a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in “national” health-care?Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously Suddenly, it’s not national, is it?

Ultimately, Roberts supported states rights by limiting the federal government’s coercive abilities. He ruled that the government can not force the people to purchase products or services under the commerce clause and he forced liberals to have to come clean and admit that Obama-care is funded by tax increases.

Although he didn’t guarantee Romney a win, he certainly did more than his part and should be applauded.

And he did this without creating a civil war or having bricks thrown through his windshield. Oh, and he’ll be home in time for dinner.

Brilliant.”

ATL -07

June 30th, 2012
12:24 pm

I don’t know– but it sure is fun watching all those right wing heads explode– Wingnuts indeed…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
12:25 pm

Oh, and this one too:

“A LAWYER WITH A BRIEFCASE CAN STEAL MORE THAN A THOUSAND MEN WITH GUNS.” Mario Puzo

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June 30th, 2012
12:25 pm

And always one of my personal favorites:

“If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed.”

George Washington

chris

June 30th, 2012
12:26 pm

We the people have to repent first. When the greatest voice in the WWII era said the only thing we have to fear is fear itself he was refering to the quote of Job “that thing I feared has come upon me”. “We the people” was refering to the vast body of believers in the great”I AM”. With Job he needed only keep the faith, realize where fear comes from, then soon “I AM” restored all plus to Job. Jobs comforters kept telling him to try to earn grace with deed and self righteous acts of religion to bribe “I AM”. After a time all of the fellas heard that thier words were babble with no knowledge of what they spoke. Job was the first to repent. After the repentance and after all was restored to Job then he used his new freedoms to live a fear free life even giving his daughters inheritance. He had to repent first then the blessings.

Zebra

June 30th, 2012
12:27 pm

Please show me where” he forced liberals to have to come clean and admit that Obama-care is funded by tax increases.” He called the penalty permissible under Congress’ right to tax.That is all.

Midori

June 30th, 2012
12:27 pm

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June 30th, 2012
12:27 pm

Oh, and you left these out:

7) To the American people: “It’s absolutely NOT a tax increase !” http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/06/obama-campaign-its-a-penalty-not-a-tax-127721.html

6) To the American people: “Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this Presidency.”

5) To Larry King: “There has been a tendency by this (the Bush) administration to hide behind executive privilege.”

4) Speech to an Hispanic group: “With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case ………. ”

3) To the American people: “The private sector is doing just fine.”

2) Please pass to Vladimir: “After the election I’ll have more flexibility.”

1) To the American electorate: “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

BINGO !!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
12:29 pm

QUESTION:

If you were a Supreme Court Justice your vote could save only ONE of these entities which would it be.

The Congress

The Presidency

The Supreme Court

The Constitution

I have to run for awhile but I’ll be back to check your responses (or lack thereof).

Smoke&Mirrors

June 30th, 2012
12:32 pm

Most of these are seriously (unfortunately) funny.
The one about armed rebellion… there might be a serious problem with that one!

Considering the video, the history of the French revolution ought to be studied as long as we have further divides between the haves and the have-not’s. It is a very poor choice of supporting evidence. ‘Let them eat cake’ didn’t work out to well for the aristocracy (the ‘job creators’).

One can argue ‘lazy’ and ‘freeloader’ … but there currently aren’t that many truly in that category. Anyway, who’s place is it to judge?

Zebra

June 30th, 2012
12:33 pm

@0311/8541/5811/1811/1801-You still didn’t adress Jay’s question. What was your favorite idiotic wingnut’s head explosion? That too tough for you?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 30th, 2012
12:34 pm

Scout must have a cut and paste quota to meet again today…….

10x the quotes, none of the intelligence of those who actually said those words in their context.

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
12:34 pm

Pay a small tax, or buy health insurance, you con mooches.

Problem solved…

Zebra

June 30th, 2012
12:34 pm

Orange 12

June 30th, 2012
12:37 pm

How much did this JEEP that Obamacare just provided to everybody just add to the National deficit?

chris

June 30th, 2012
12:38 pm

Roberts played a very savvy political move perfectly. He dumped the whole debate back on the politicians and the VOTERS to settle which was the intent of our constitution in the first place. Now”WE THE PEOPLE” need to do our jobs.

Real American

June 30th, 2012
12:41 pm

“Where is the weeping and wailing? Where is the anger and outrage? Do the people of the country realize what has just been stolen from them?”
__________________________________________

ROFLMAO!!!! *snort*______________stop it!

larry

June 30th, 2012
12:41 pm

Actually , Scout did miss some quotes , on purpose i suppose………..

Like Mr. Romney stating that

You can your current insurance, ensure that every American has access to affordable care

Those that have pre-existing conditions know that they will be able to be insured.

In other words, he agrees with the Supreme Court’s decision.

He just doesnt want to go into details on how to pay for it.

MiltonMan

June 30th, 2012
12:42 pm

How about CNN first reporting that ObamaCare had been overturned.

Never mind – CNN love child of the loony left

From the Center

June 30th, 2012
12:43 pm

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June 30th, 2012
12:23 pm

I agree, it was an excellent move, but be careful, you are raining in the Liberal celebration.

RB from Gwinnett

June 30th, 2012
12:43 pm

Liberals… Having the government steal from their neighbors for their own wants and thinking its funny and cute.

It’s not. It’s stealing.

Smoke&Mirrors

June 30th, 2012
12:43 pm

Sure Romney knows how he will pay for his mythical version of a health care bill – tax cuts for the wealthy!

MiltonMan

June 30th, 2012
12:43 pm

“Pay a small tax, or buy health insurance, you con mooches.”

What is the libs defintion of a “small tax”> The left cannot even defined what the evil rich a

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
12:43 pm

How about Faux News doing the same thing, Milton?

Colbert to both: You. Suck. At. News.

Real American

June 30th, 2012
12:44 pm

Zebra…I think “numbers” guy was trying to offer more options for Jay….no?

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
12:44 pm

Miltie, don’t be so grossly uninformed. You know what the penalty for not having your own health insurance is. Or should…

getalife

June 30th, 2012
12:45 pm

I went with the no shame capitalist glenn beck.

The cons want to take on the military?

Watch out for the drones!

Smoke&Mirrors

June 30th, 2012
12:46 pm

Right now there is no penalty for not having insurance. You go to the emergency room, they have to treat you, and then pass the bill on to everyone else. But that’s not a tax….

getalife

June 30th, 2012
12:49 pm

It is time for the American people to celebrate having a competent President crushing the gop and getting the people’s business done.

This President deserves reelection and praise for actually doing good for the American people.

This is very rare in Washington these days.

Political Mongrel

June 30th, 2012
12:50 pm

The public (or at least the thinking part of it) has long been able to see through end-of-the-world hysterics and hype. The danger is the ones who can’t. Idiots and the terminally gullible still vote.

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
12:51 pm

The medicaid expansion will
qualify many on unemployment to get
medicaid. Any revolution
should be against the
governors who want to
deny them this healthcare.

Oscar

June 30th, 2012
12:56 pm

I would vote all of them as class A crazy. No other word for them.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
12:57 pm

Good point frog.

We are attacking jundal on that issue.

He will cave.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
1:01 pm

I think Jay had fun writing this one.

milty,

cnn and fox reported the mandate was stuck down.

Why did you leave out fox?

Partisan sore lose much?

larry

June 30th, 2012
1:04 pm

Headline: Boy i have heard those Republicans are really great customers.

Strippers say ” Hands down the GOP are the best customers.”

Jim Wito

June 30th, 2012
1:07 pm

I was a little confused over how to vote. The title said Most “over-the-top: but then you ask for “your favorite” reaction. Glenn Beck is my favorite “all I am interested in is making money” reaction. I am appalled … nut let me make some money of it. Rep. Jean Schmidt reaction wouldn’t have been a big deal if the decision went the other way so I can’t fault her there. Tough to call who was dumber – Ben Shapiro and Rand Paul. Matt Davis gets a nod there. Does he realize he is talking about the American Revolution but uses a song from a show that was about the FRENCH revolution? I thought conservatives hated the French? I guess he must like a socialist revolution. I voted for over-the-top as the Mississippi Tea Party guy. If he really read The U.S. Constitution it clearly states Federal law takes precedent over state law. But then he probably thinks the Civil War is still going on.

martin the calvinist

June 30th, 2012
1:09 pm

ha most of them are quite loopy….in my humble opinion!

JamVet, it’s cheaper to pay the penalty than buy insurance…….logic tells me if you really wanted people to buy the health insurance, wouldn’t you have to make the fine as large as a health care plan for that individual or make the fine larger…..just food for thought……

Anyway, studying a few of the provisions of the “Obamacare” legislation there are things in it that are reasonable, like allowing small businesses to pool together to purchase a plan for their employees and giving the business tax credits….should’ve happened years ago, emphasis on preventive care, makes sense though health insurance was orginally designed for protecting one from a financial disaster from a major medical event instead of people going to the emergency room for a hang nail or a headache. to a major extent, you should be able to get insurance even if you have diabetes…

what I don’t like about it is that the federal gov’t can not mandate you to purchase a product and fine you if you don’t. too much power for any gov’t to have. I bet you wouldn’t want George W. Bush to have that kind of power. I also don’t like the tax on medical devices, working for a company that provides them, the tax has caused us to lay off 200 people so we can pay it, there is no guarantee that we will have enough business to make up the cost of the tax to rehire any of them….I don’t like the mandatory 85% of your premium must pay for health care related expenses, that number is too high and it will cause the down fall of a segment of our private sector and place it in the hands of our federal gov’t which is too big as it is and it does not or ever will have the revenue it needs to run a gov’t of it’s size……

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
1:10 pm

getalife
i went with beck too.
so greedy.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
1:11 pm

willard did a great job explaining the mandate and willardcare when he was gov.

The dems are running his ads.

He will not repeal willardcare cons.

You know that.

Smoke&Mirrors

June 30th, 2012
1:18 pm

What I fail to understand: The act has some really good stuff, as Martin indicated. So why not fix the parts that cause problems? Starting all over is most risky for the lives of many people. It ain’t fiction – if this whole thing is overturned, people will continue to go bankrupt over healthcare costs – maybe some of your friends, family and neighbors – and others will die due to the lack treatment.

Is it just because Obama was behind the bill? If Romney had become president 4 years ago, and pushed this through just like it is now…. would there be such an uproar? I think not.

martin the calvinist

June 30th, 2012
1:20 pm

I have been trying to come up with a way to make my point on why everyone on this blog, including Jay to not celebrate about the Supreme Court finding Obamacare constitutional in the way it did and I came up with a scenario that should explain my point….the example I’m using I admit I’m stretching but the facts of Obamacare and how it was defined constitutional are in this example.

say we have a President who makes the NRA president the “gun czar” and he proposes that in order to help police forces keep crime down everyone that is an able-bodied adult has to own an fully automatic M4, and it becomes law. In this law you have to purchase that M4, get it registered federally along with 100 boxes of ammunition, if you don’t you will be fined a $1000 dollars (the fine being used to help fund police officers to protect your residence) and the same administration hires 20,000 new IRS agents to ensure every able-bodies adult American purchases that assault rifle and gets it registered.

that is what happened when the Supreme Court declared “Obamacare” constitutional. Do you want either party to do this to you? Do you want either party to have that much power over you? I don’t. That is why to the very fabric of my core, disagree with what just happened this past Thursday and I hope it gets struck down somehow…..

Pizzaman

June 30th, 2012
1:23 pm

The best one was the Teapublican, prostrate on the sidewalk, “weeping and gnashing his teeth” on his bible, wearing a black suit. Anyone lying on the sidewalk in a black suit in DC’s summer heat really needs the Affordable Care Act for it’s mental benifits.

I’ve posted this over on Wingnut’s site: Hay Teapublicans your going to repeal (should be easy, maybe) and replace. Just what are you going to replace it with? If you want the votes you have to produce the facts. But I suspect you have no idea and it’s just another empty campaign promise.

Smoke&Mirrors

June 30th, 2012
1:33 pm

Martin,
Interesting comparison, and you have a certain point but with hard goods.
However, at some point in your life, you WILL need healthcare. It’s sort of like death and taxes….pun intended .

You will not likely have to use the M4. Big difference.

Mighty Righty

June 30th, 2012
1:42 pm

The Supreme Court decided that anything is okay so long as it is deemed by them as a tax. Therefore it would be constitutional to tax the users of abortion clinics an amount equal to whatever the govenrnent determines the clinics cost the nation. No proof of actual cost would be required. It would be constitutional to charge a fee, excuse me tax, to any person that does not avail themself of the clinic as well. The possibilities are endless. The government can not only force you to pay for whatever they want to provide or sell bu for things you don’t by or use. Before you think this is rediculous, it hasn’t been but a few years since americans overwhelmingly thought there was no way our government would ever or ever could force us to buy a product.

Oscar

June 30th, 2012
1:43 pm

Constitution gives the Congress the power to tax. And that is what they did. Passed a tax. Don’t see a constitutional problem. Taxes can be repealed if the elected representatives in Congress vote to repeal it.

That’s the way our system works. Elected representatives pass taxes. And they can repeal taxes.

martin the calvinist

June 30th, 2012
1:45 pm

smoke, I have this little saying…perception is reality, some people perceive what ever they want to, I wouldn’t put it past a politician to “create a crisis of criminal activity” and say it’s necessary for the average citizen to have a weapon of high caliber…..but I get what you are trying to say…..take out the gun, say to create a cleaner environment, everyone that drives has to drive a fully electric car, if you don’t buy one, we are going to tax you ( supposedly for air cleaning) (but we know what really happens to revenue when it gets to DC) to me the same thing…..my point is that the gov’t has been given a blank check with new powers……powers it shouldn’t have over the American people….

Mighty Righty

June 30th, 2012
1:50 pm

Smoke&Mirrors

“However, at some point in your life, you WILL need healthcare. It’s sort of like death and taxes….pun intended ”

Not true. Many, many people live their entire lives without ever.even seeing a doctor. And many more never rerquire surgery or hospitalization.

Redneck Convert (R--and ;proud of it)

June 30th, 2012
1:52 pm

O woe is me! The Supreme Court done nullified the Constitution. Just wait till this Roberts runs for reelection. He’ll be outta here quicker than a bad tooth at a dentists convention.

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
1:52 pm

JamVet, it’s cheaper to pay the penalty than buy insurance…….logic tells me if you really wanted people to buy the health insurance, wouldn’t you have to make the fine as large as a health care plan for that individual or make the fine larger…..just food for thought……

Of course not!

People with paid health insurance will do the things that they normally do. Get checkups, get minor procedures taken care of, etc.

Those without will do what they do now. Do without. And wait until the very last moment or things become a complete emergency.

Not having access to proper healthcare is a neocon’s wet dream come true.

But no other organization in the civilized world thinks like them.

jconservative

June 30th, 2012
1:54 pm

Since 1803 the Constitution has said what the Supreme Court says it says.

Thursday the Supreme Court said that Congress could not create commerce to regulate.

Thursday the Supreme Court said, once again, that Congress under the Constitution has the constitutional power to tax and spend.

Thursday the Supreme Court said that Congress could not change a policy, Medicaid, that punished a state for refusing to adopt another voluntary Medicaid program.

Orange 12

June 30th, 2012
1:56 pm

Gee, I guess everybody works for the government now.

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
1:56 pm

Therefore it would be constitutional to tax the users of abortion clinics an amount equal to whatever the govenrnent determines the clinics cost the nation.

Fine.

Just get the nitwits who run your beloved party to get the legislation passed.

But good luck with that. Notwithstanding the GOP’s War on Women, the days of treating women like your property are not coming back…

Oscar

June 30th, 2012
1:58 pm

Not true. Many, many people live their entire lives without ever.even seeing a doctor. And many more never rerquire surgery or hospitalization.

__________

The majority of congress did not agree with you. And passed the tax. Which is within their constitutional power to do.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
1:59 pm

cons,

You will get sick.

Pay up moochers.

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
2:00 pm

Haven’t read the comments yet, but…

I’m trying to decide which right-wing reaction to Thursday’s Supreme Court ruling on ObamaCare is my favorite, and I just can’t settle on one winner.

Neither can I. Rand Paul’s is easily the funniest, though.

Smoke&Mirrors

June 30th, 2012
2:00 pm

Mighty Wrongee,
OK, sure, and that’s why our morbidity/mortality rate rivals that of many third world nations, while we pay much, much more in healthcare costs….

Martin,
Yes, you have a good argument, and they have always had that power. That’s why we don’t live in a dictatorship… that is unless one party takes total control of all three branches of government and dictates without the ballot box. It could happen, and history has shown that it does.

martin the calvinist

June 30th, 2012
2:00 pm

your hate for “neocons” blinds you of the logic I was trying to display…..I’m not talking about access, I’m talking about the fine its self, I think it’s fishy that the fine is less than what it cost me and my wife for health insurance…..I want the coverage, I am blessed that I have it…..I just think if the Democrats were so concerned about access and poor people not having health insurance all they had to do was raise the Medicare tax, create a Medicaid tax and expand Medicaid to cover those who don’t have care….you didn’t need 2000 pages of a bill to do so and you sure didn’t need to expand the federal gov’t to unpresidented measures to do so…..that is all I’m saying……

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
2:01 pm

Any word on Spike’s whereabouts?

getalife

June 30th, 2012
2:03 pm

You are fat and angry cons.

You will have a stoke or heart attack.

Pay up moochers.

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
2:04 pm

I hate neocons as much as I hate puffer fish.

Which is to say that god put them here for a reason, I just laugh at them…

Smoke&Mirrors

June 30th, 2012
2:10 pm

Martin,
I agree…. 2K pages is a lot of hooey. Way too much politics in this.
But, if they really wanted efficiency, and cost savings….. medicare should have been expanded to optionally include anyone. That, unfortunately, would probably cause an upheaval that would create more billions in campaign donations.

And yes, I buy insurance on the so called ‘open market’. It is incredibly costly, the most expensive item on my monthly budget, and it’s easier to pull teeth than change carriers.

Liberal Pariah

June 30th, 2012
2:11 pm

Jay must be hurting for real material trying to prove that the right has kooks just like the left. The Matt Davis ‘Armed Rebellion’ rant scares me the most. Fortunately for the right, we don’t need a SCOTUS ruling to see over the top from the left…as long as Nancy Pelosi is drawing a breath. And she is scarier than any of these guys because she actually has some power in the government.

Midori

June 30th, 2012
2:14 pm

Getalife,

I firmly believe that hate is what killed Breitbart.

Fat Tony better watch his back…….

DannyX

June 30th, 2012
2:15 pm

I think US Representative and current Republican candidate for governor of Indiana should at least get an honorable mention for comparing the SC Obamacare Ruling to the 9/11 Attacks.

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
2:16 pm

As for the World’s Stupidest Tweet cited by Jay–Does anyone here really think that any Brietbarter, if time-traveling back to the time of the Dred Scott decision, wouldn’t have said “bully bully! Jolly good show, chaps!”, or whatever it was right wingers used to say back then?

Janney

June 30th, 2012
2:17 pm

I was hoping you would address the madness, Jay. I heard Boortz went fairly ballistic also. It’s kind of scary. Don’t know who is more whacko; guess I’ll go with Glenn Beck.

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
2:19 pm

I really should be a good little capitalist and part fools from their money, selling “IMPEACH ROBERTS NOW!” stickers online.

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
2:20 pm

Ok, I went with my gut and voted for Rand. He is, after all, the one cited with the most real power to wield.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
2:21 pm

Jay

To answer your question, the lady from Mississippi wins.

Now to the point.

I do not support an armed rebellion however I am afraid that is where we are heading.

Our leaders cannot compromise, our partisanship is becoming more entrenched and in an effort to balance things out it has become ok to discriminate against white males, which apparently doesn’t bother any liberal.

Now liberals celebrate the constitutionally of healthcare. Well that’s ok I would celebrate getting something that I wanted. Yet while you celebrate you just completely ignore what you have really accomplished. You have managed to take an otherwise productive question such as how does everyone get healthcare and change the constitution with it.

The dangerous part that you guys cannot comprehend during your boastfully proud moment is that the Supreme Court wrote new law and you had no input. This bill never called for more taxes, as Obama and many others claimed over and over. Obama went forward with the argument as a penalty if you did not get insurance. The court by ruling that the government could make you buy insurance as long as it used taxation as a push rod, gave any administration the ability to do the same.

Congrats on your victory, someday you will understand what you really won. A government that can now controll every aspect of your life, should it decide to. If a dominate democratic government can force this healthcare through, then be prepared to accept what a dominate republican government can do.

You just have no idea what you have accomplished.

But it would do you some good to think about it in the abstract. If this were about abortion would you be so happy that the government can now make you do it ?

elgrunir

June 30th, 2012
2:21 pm

@ those who complain about the ACA being over 2000 pages: it’s required to include references/copies of previous legislation, so it’s not 2000 pages of new material. Get over it.

Orange 12

June 30th, 2012
2:24 pm

“I really should be a good little capitalist and part fools from their money, selling “IMPEACH ROBERTS NOW!” stickers online”

Yeah, you an get rich quick.

Zebra

June 30th, 2012
2:25 pm

@MightyRighty 1:50-I can’t wait to see the link for this little gem. “Not true. Many, many people live their entire lives without ever.even seeing a doctor. And many more never require surgery or hospitalization.”

Hahahahahahahahaha

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
2:27 pm

“If this were about abortion would you be so happy that the government can now make you do it ?”

Jay, I think you should add this as Item g) to your poll.

TM

June 30th, 2012
2:27 pm

I thought Jay’s response was the most over the top when he labeled everyone who would have to pay the tax–excuse me-penalty a “freeloader” or “moocher”.

RB from Gwinnett

June 30th, 2012
2:28 pm

“However, at some point in your life, you WILL need healthcare. It’s sort of like death and taxes….pun intended .

You will not likely have to use the M4. Big difference.”

You fail to understand what the bill actually requires. It does not give you healthcare. I requires you to buy health insurance. Whether or not you ever use it has no bearing on the issue. You will buy it.

Conversely, you do need protection from those who would do you harm. The requirement for you to purchase a gun for that protection, regardless if you ever use it or not, is exactly the same thing.

If you sheep haven’t figured out the government no longer cares what “we the peons” think or want, there’s not much hope you ever will.

And the poster who thinks we should be afraid of our military must think they’re all unthinking idiots. Has it occurred to you many of them think Obama is an idiot too?

Skip

June 30th, 2012
2:29 pm

I’m OK with paying a little more so some poor slob can have medical care, I don’t care if he deserves it or not. I believe in helping my fellow man, cons included. To me it’s are we in this together or is it every man for himself. And if you think you can go it alone you don’t get out much.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
2:29 pm

Hey decibels,

Explain to me why what I say cannot occur please

PressedOn

June 30th, 2012
2:32 pm

Tell us which left-wing reaction is your favorite, Bookman.

They aren’t the three words the Democratic National Committee intended to define their response to the Supreme Court’s ruling on healthcare, but they instantly whipped around the Internet thanks to the power of Twitter: “It’s constitutional. Bitches.”

it’s constitutional. Bitches.

— Patrick Gaspard ‏@patrickgaspard June 28, 2012

Patrick Gaspard, the Executive Director of the Democratic National Committee, tweeted the news at 10:19 a.m. Thursday, responding to a fight that has raged along partisan lines since 2009.

Three hours after he sent it, Gaspard’s tweet had been retweeted 1,525 times and saved 333.

Greg Greene, the DNC new media outreach director, offered “sad trombone” sounds to the Republicans: “Anyone have a trombone? The folks at @GOP need someone to lend them one.”

According to conservative Michelle Malkin’s site Twitchy, which took a screenshot, Greene deleted another tweet that suggested a high level of boisterousness in the office: “Overheard in the office: “TAKE THAT MOTHER******S

America: this DNC Senior Staffer celebrates while you get taxed: Overheard in the office: “TAKE THAT MOTHER******S!!” – @ggreeneva

— NRCC (@NRCC) June 28, 2012

http://thehill.com/blogs/twitter-room/other-news/235397-dnc-staffers-go-off-script-celebrating-healthcare-ruling

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
2:33 pm

I will try to say this once again,

This was never about healthcare for regular conservatives it was about government power.

I know a lot of you on this blog are stubborn and hard headed but why you cannot understand that government having the ability to tell you what you are going to buy is not freedom I will never get.

You celebrate a loss of your rights today and that would be crystal clear if you cared to think

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
2:34 pm

Explain to me why what I say cannot occur please

It can occur. Just as I can have a purple flying dragon living in my basement, that I genetically engineered myself..

Both are about as likely, and about as pertinent to the issue at hand.

Mamouian

June 30th, 2012
2:35 pm

A bunch of liberals spiking the football. The backlash will be even more entertaining.

Senor Coughee

June 30th, 2012
2:35 pm

Kinda reminds one of the Democrats response to the Supreme Court ruling in 2000 that decided the election. But, hey, I realize, THIS is different in your eyes, Jay.

Thomas Heyward Jr.

June 30th, 2012
2:35 pm

Nothing like Totalitarianism or Fascism to make a Lefty Prog giddy.
.
Effing tools.

Smoke&Mirrors

June 30th, 2012
2:35 pm

elgrunir
OK 906 pages of stuff.
Don’t get me wrong, I think we needed it, only that simplicity might have been a better approach. Sorta like Mitt did in Massachusetts … oops ….

Midori

June 30th, 2012
2:38 pm

I “think” PressedOn has a point to make – tho it escapes me.

bleary

June 30th, 2012
2:38 pm

How can I vote on this if all of my personal liberty has been taken away?

Jay

June 30th, 2012
2:39 pm

Oh please Mama. “…. discriminate against white males”?

Look at the CEOs of the Fortune 500. Look at the US Senate. Look at the White House, one non-white male and no females in our entire history.

Some erosion of previous privileged status does not equal discrimination against you. Seriously, white men playing the victim card is just sad, and I say that as someone who ought to know.

Skip

June 30th, 2012
2:39 pm

Mama, governments are people too

Over the top???

June 30th, 2012
2:39 pm

Congressional Black Caucus Walks Out on Holder Contempt Vote

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
2:41 pm

I do not support an armed rebellion however I am afraid that is where we are heading.

These government hating fake conservatives don’t have the cajones to even stand up to Rush much less Wall Street or the 1% plutocrats and their systemic, decades long program of economic and social injustice and class warfare.

You really think they are going to ever take a righteous stand? Puhleeze. These are NOT people of action.

They will sit on the sidelines and b*tch endlessly and hope Donald Trump trickles down on them.

Occupy that…

Midori

June 30th, 2012
2:42 pm

I borrowed this from a friend:

This is what is so nuts about this whole charade.

Hillarycare is proposed – Republicans come up with a counter proposal. Republicans kill Hillarycare.

Republican’s counter proposal becomes Obamacare. Republicans want to kill their own Hillarycare counter proposal.

They are just like two year olds. What I say goes. Anything else, even if I said it before, must be stopped.

*******************************************************************************************************************

Now — which was it about?

Orange 12

June 30th, 2012
2:43 pm

Jay. your 2:39 sure sounds like discrimination. You might want to retract that one.

Jay

June 30th, 2012
2:44 pm

Really Senor Coffee? Liberals were advocating armed rebellion in response to Bush v. Gore?

Not me. I was arguing in favor of accepting the court decision and welcoming our new president. I didn’t like it much, but sometimes you shut up and take one for the team.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
2:45 pm

The loony left makes far more stupid comments in its attempts to fire up their base. The money now flowing into the Romney campaign from small donors along with firing up the right wing conservatives was accomplished shortly after the Supreme Courts 5-4 decision. The right doesn’t require comments from media or entertainment personalities to motivate the greater number of them, the left is very much dependent on it. This campaign is now a conservative all out offensive against an opponent that is now forced to play defense on 3 fronts, the economy, Obamacare and its cover up strategy for an activist Attorney General.

gt_me79

June 30th, 2012
2:45 pm

Its close between the (B) crazy lady (I’d love to see her – “never mind” – moment) Rep. Schmidt and the (D) Armed Rebellion whack job (loved the video). But given that I think (D) and (C) are dangerous in their delusions and their impact on others just as delusional I’ll stick with (B) she’s just crazy (who elected her by the way – we maybe need to reassess whether those folks deserve the right to vote :) ).

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
2:45 pm

Ok decibels,

Guess you thought they could mandate healthcare also.

You dismiss the entire concept of the founding of this country.

The main cause was the improper use of taxation.

Laugh it up when the dragons are flying out of your butt.

This is yet another step that will end this country, your insistence to step on me to get what you want. Laugh it up. It’s is certainly very funny, wonder if you think it’s funny that millions die for the right to be free from government oppression. Wonder if you think the civil rights movement was just a growing phase.

Wonder if you have a clue what you will be forced to do when republicans take control. As a liberal, the fact that the crazy republicans will also have this power should scare the hell out of you.

As a conservative the first bill I would write would require that anyone who obtains an abortion will pay a tax of $1000 per procedure. If I call it a tax you can’t stop it and by that means I can have you arrested for not paying your abortion tax.

This will work both ways. Of course we will hear you scream and yell but then again who cares ?

RB from Gwinnett

June 30th, 2012
2:46 pm

Skip, apparently there weren’t enough of you and your fellow liberals pretending to care about their fellow man with their actual dollars and not just their words or there wouldn’t be so many millions without insurance. Talk is cheap, skip. Insurance plans cost a heckofalot. Prior to this ruling, were you caring with your money or just your mouth?

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
2:47 pm

Congressional Black Caucus Walks Out on Holder Contempt Vote.

Do you mean exactly like the neocons did in 2008 when John Boner (R-OH) led Republicans in a walkout in protest of the contempt vote against White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers, who refused to respond to subpoenas in Congress’s investigation of the U.S. attorney scandal?

OH! You forgot about that! I see…

So how about like last year when Eric CANTor and gang walked out on debt talks led by Vice President Biden?

You “forgot” about that one too?

OK…

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
2:49 pm

I didn’t like it much, but sometimes you shut up and take one for the team.

Yup. Pissed me (and millions of others) off mightily, but when Al went on TV and announced with a sad smile, “It’s time for me to go,” I was willing to enter the difficult “acceptance” phase.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
2:50 pm

Jam Vet,

Dismissal and apathy is what caused most wars.

Continue to support the usurpation of the intent of the bill of rights and you will see.

Of course you don’t have to believe. You can continue to call conservatives names. If you studied history that’s what took place before the civil war. Even here in Georgia those who wished to leave the union were called names until of course the burning of Atlanta.

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
2:50 pm

They walked out on the contempt vote? good.

I guess this marks yet another time when this white guy feels it’s only the Congressional Black Caucus that truly represents his interests.

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
2:53 pm

Laugh it up when the dragons are flying out of your butt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__vZAjrJsFw

A clown has feelings, too!

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
2:56 pm

It would have been much better for this to have passed constitutional muster under the commerce clause.

The precedent of government imposition via tax law is a new, troublesome thought.

Those who fail to learn history are bound to repeat it.

The urge for man to impose their will on others is an urge that had been placed in our DNA. Even the peace loving do right libs cannot help but to relish in the fact that there way has won.

RB from Gwinnett

June 30th, 2012
2:57 pm

Don’t waste your time on Amvet. He’s a ” better red than dead” sort of guy.

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
2:58 pm

As a conservative the first bill I would write would require that anyone who obtains an abortion will pay a tax of $1000 per procedure.

oooh, oooh, almost forgot to ask–Mama, what do you think of those $50 Romneycare abortions that your party’s Presidential aspirant signed into law, in Massachusetts?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
2:59 pm

“I stayed up all night to see where the sun went. Then it dawned on me.”

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
2:59 pm

Even here in Georgia those who wished to leave the union were called names…

You mean names like traitors?

Because that is what they were?

OK.

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
3:01 pm

RB, go genuflect before your autographed Joseph McCarthy poster.

Dismissal and apathy is what caused most wars.

Where do you come up with stuff, mama?

Seriously.

Is there some tome of goofy con sayings that I’m not aware of?

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
3:03 pm

Now if it’s a Republican president that asserts executive privledge to assist a cabinet member in withholding documents from congressional investigation that’s unacceptable by the lefty’s.However, if it’s a Democrat that’s perfectly acceptable and challenging it is called witch hunting and reinforced by throwing temper tantrums. Oh the left wing hypocrisy.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
3:04 pm

Jay:

You need to go back and study your history.

Jewish white males have been victims for a long, long time.

………………. and it’s raising it’s ugly head again all over the world.

NEVER AGAIN !

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
3:04 pm

I don’t like any government bill that mandates my freedom away.

I don’t like the fact that we cannot get a bill of rights respecting moderate in office, and I don’t like how mad I get watching people celebrate taking my rights away so that the government can decide what to do with them.

But Decibel I do like Gary and the Playboys now

Although you play with my emotional state, that actually made me smile.

Remember thought tyranny is not understood by those who impose it. There will be a time in the future when libs understand. But you know what I won’t like that either cause we are all the real loosers

Mighty Righty

June 30th, 2012
3:06 pm

Wunnerful, wunnerful,wunnerful, free health care for all. It’s like manna falling from the sky. No more illness, no more sickness, no more un insured. The government is never wrong in their estimates. Every governemnt program runs like a well oild machine. We can expect the same quality health care that we have have learned to expect from other government programs. The post office for example is a self supporting smooth operation. No fraud, no waste. It will be just like welefare and foord stamps. Oh boy. We will have the same quaiity of medical professioanls as those highly traine TSA agents. Think DMV. We are on our way to joining the 18th centrury. Bring on the PC medical specialists. Doc in the Box, here we come. Who would like to wager that within five years medical cost is twice the government’s estimate and you will have to wait days to get a prescription for some drugs? There will be shortagaes of medicine and facilites, and care.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
3:06 pm

bretbart lost all credibility so they are desperate.

Then you have the three gop guvs refusing to implement it..

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
3:06 pm

martin the calvinist 1:20 pm

Great analogy which is exactly what Washington meant when he said:

“If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed.”

Translation:

You might like usurping the Constitution when it’s your pet project but just be aware what you have done when you open that box !!!

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
3:07 pm

Jam vet some of this stuff I come up with on my own, it’s pretty good isn’t it ?

And you may want to think about the fact that traitors come in many colors and stripes, not all want to leave the union, some want to use the union to change your rights.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
3:07 pm

“This girl said she recognized me from the vegetarian club, but I’d never met herbivore.”

getalife

June 30th, 2012
3:07 pm

No side will take on the military so lets stop the false bluster cons.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
3:08 pm

They don’t get it 3/11, they just don’t get it.

DannyX

June 30th, 2012
3:08 pm

Before the SC healthcare verdict Boehner cautioned his fellow Republicans if the law was overturned. “Don’t spike the ball,” he said.

Boehner was so overconfident that he didn’t issue a statement on how the Republicans should act if things didn’t go their way. Missing was Boehner cautioning Republicans to not “go all all bat Shiguano crazy with the usual right wing craziness,” if they lost.

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
3:08 pm

Although you play with my emotional state, that actually made me smile.

Well, I did mean it in the spirit of good fun. (and that little combo did make some halfway decent music before Gary got drafted.)

Remember thought tyranny is not understood by those who impose it.

Huh? pretty sure Adolf, Mao and Stalin had a pretty good grasp of what they were doing.

Unless by “tyranny” you’re dumbing it down to mean modest inconveniences and political skirmishes that didn’t happen to go your way. I hope that’s not the case here.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
3:09 pm

No use crying over spilled ilk.

The issue is over.

willard will not repeal willardcare, he will take credit for it cons.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
3:10 pm

Headline: “Heat Wave to Test Power Grid As Utility Threatens Strike”

Ah …………. this is when “unions” can be at their finest !

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Heat-Wave-New-York-Temperature-Weather-Forecast-Thunderstorm-160826185.html

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
3:11 pm

Getalife you have no control, you gave it all up.

Although you are right, in the modern world no rebellion can stand against the war machine that’s why the dems have used the internal mechanisms of government to change the constitution.

But then again you guys have taught use that maybe that is the way to go. Either way you have won

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
3:12 pm

Anyway, headin’ offline for awhile. pleasant afternoon, all.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
3:12 pm

getalife:

“No side will take on the military so lets stop the false bluster cons.”

No one is going to start a “revolution” as we are far, far from that. But ……………. if it ever does come years and years from now it will be because a large percentage of those “in the military” (along with their hardware) decide to “side” with one cause or the other. Just study your history ………. that’s the way it happens.

That’s when it gets nasty.

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
3:13 pm

Mama, that is true. But understand this. I do not call them secessionists, rebels or insurrections (as Lincoln did, so as to not inflame things further), I call them traitors.

Jewish white males have been victims for a long, long time.

And in this country it was predominantly southern white Christian conservative males who were the guilty party.

Ask the descendants of Leo Frank…

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
3:13 pm

Decibels,

Do you really think Hitler and those folks did not think they were helping their country’s ?

I doubt that they thought they were engaging in tyranny. Do you

Smoke&Mirrors

June 30th, 2012
3:14 pm

Hey … Mighty.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling…..

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
3:14 pm

Mama Says @ 3:08

They never do ………. that’s why they destroy the very thing they need.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
3:15 pm

Irony, Jam Vet

The white male Jew was indeed a victim but all we have really accomplished is that you cannot ask him his religion now.

DannyX

June 30th, 2012
3:15 pm

Mama, Is this your idea of tyranny?

GIBSON: ”Governor … you imposed tax penalties in Massachusetts?”

ROMNEY: ”Yes, we said, look, if people can afford to buy it, either buy the insurance or pay your own way; don’t be free-riders.”

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
3:19 pm

The dog biting his owners hand, sad really.

He doesn’t understand there will be no more food does he ?

Dang Jam Vet I am rolling today !

While I have sat on my porch arguing with y’all it has gone from 97 degrees to 102. Why am I out here.

( I just set you libs up, who will jump)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
3:20 pm

“History of antisemitism in the United States”

“During the Civil War, General Ulysses S. Grant issued an order (quickly rescinded by President Abraham Lincoln) of expulsion against Jews from the portions of Tennessee, Kentucky and Mississippi under his control. (See General Order No. 11)

Antisemitism continued into the first half of 20th century. Jews were discriminated against in some employment, not allowed into some social clubs and resort areas, given a quota on enrollment at colleges, and not allowed to buy certain properties.

Antisemitism in America reached its peak during the interwar period. The rise of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920s, the antisemitic works of Henry Ford, and the radio speeches of Father Coughlin in the late 1930s indicated the strength of attacks on the Jewish community.

Antisemitism in the United States has rarely turned into physical violence against Jews. Some more notable cases of such violence include the attack of Irish workers and police on the funeral procession of Rabbi Jacob Joseph in New York City in 1902, the lynching of Leo Frank in 1915, the murder of Alan Berg in 1984, and the Crown Heights riots of 1991.”

The above is just one of many articles. “josef” would be the most qualified on here regarding which American entity has been (and is) the greatest source of danger to Jews.

I will defer to him.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
3:21 pm

“I’m reading a book about anti-gravity. I just can’t put it down…”

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
3:23 pm

See Danny,

It’s like this, unlike you I don’t see the value in my party that you doin yours. Matter of fact I have little confidence in any politician. Hey say what they need to to win and then do whatever they like.

This is the main reason I don’t want them to have more power, they will screw me and you in a heartbeat.

Obama had gone back on so many things it’s unreal. He went back on them in a way that conservatives would support, yet you still love him and his party.

I don’t love Romney, I wanted Ron Paul or someone that thinks like him. A more independent kind of think for yourself person.

So truly, to me, Romney is just another Obama

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
3:24 pm

YES !! And I’m sending another $100.00 !

“Casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson is making another huge campaign contribution aimed at electing Republicans and voting President Barack Obama out of office.

One of the world’s richest men, Adelson is donating $10 million to the campaign activities of the billionaire Koch brothers.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/30/ap-source-adelson-giving-10-million-to-aid-gop/?test=latestnews#ixzz1zJ3A8GN8

getalife

June 30th, 2012
3:26 pm

Mama,

The only thing I won was electronic medical records.When you go to the doctor, they have all your medical record on the computer and list the reason of the visit, doctor orders and drugs.

It eliminates mistakes and they print it out to take home. I love it.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
3:27 pm

3/11

You cannot point out that racist or antisemites were in other parts of the country too.

Don’t you understand ?

That is a liberal rule of engagement in the south

Brosephus™

June 30th, 2012
3:27 pm

martin the calvinist @ 1:20

The biggest obstacle with your post, and the reason it will never happen is because it calls for the GOP to pass a bill that will raise taxes. Any scenario that you concoct to switch the two parties around requres the GOP to pass a bill that raises taxes. Unless you’re gonna repeal and replace the GOP, that’s not gonna happen anytime in the near future.

————–

This was never about healthcare for regular conservatives it was about government power.

And the SCOTUS affirmed the Constitutional right that Congress has to levy taxes. Whether it’s called a tax, fee, penalty, fine, or anything else, it basically amounts to a tax being paid to the government.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
3:30 pm

Getalife

That makes good medicine as does other parts of this bill, but did we need to go as far as we did in order to get it ?

My god the constitution

Skip

June 30th, 2012
3:30 pm

RB, karma has been good to me, you figure it out.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
3:31 pm

None of these disagreements compare to abolishing slavery.

Lets get real.

It is just politics and not worth dying for.

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
3:32 pm

You arch-conservatives in Dixie lost the argument about racism, antisemitism, gay bashing, et al LONG ago. Deal with the consequences.

they have all your medical record on the computer and list the reason of the visit, doctor orders and drugs.

Something that the VA has had for years.

They are so far ahead of these for profit joints it is absurd. And yet another example of how in the realm of health care, the government does things MUCH better that free (LOL!) market…

Brosephus™

June 30th, 2012
3:32 pm

As a conservative the first bill I would write would require that anyone who obtains an abortion will pay a tax of $1000 per procedure. If I call it a tax you can’t stop it and by that means I can have you arrested for not paying your abortion tax.

You could write a thousand bills with the same thing. When Grover hears about it, and you know he will, you will be called on the carpet to repent for your sins. No conservative writes legislation to raise taxes…. EVER!!!

getalife

June 30th, 2012
3:33 pm

But Jam, that is government run health care :)

getalife

June 30th, 2012
3:35 pm

Mama,

The sc said yes.

Which part of over did you not understand?

Mr_B

June 30th, 2012
3:37 pm

“How about CNN first reporting that ObamaCare had been overturned.”

Probably change about as much as the LA Times declaring Dewey the winner over Truman.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
3:38 pm

Think about billionaires united for a second.

Both parties have legalized unlimited bribes flowing in from billionaires all around the world..

This should give you partisan Americans pause on the blind, mindless partisanship.

Think about it.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
3:38 pm

Jam,

Can we argue without to return trips of southern racist BS.

Nobody on here has even tried to say it was right.

We are talking about government powers.

Bro,

I love how you split hairs. Let’s see if the government taxes you it’s the same as a penalty, fee or any over process by which the government is paid.

You miss one huge point. Taxes are a constitutional ability for he government to raise money so IT can provide a service.

I have no idea how you, the court or any other could say the government had the right to impose a PENALTY, which by every definition is punishment, on us if we do not buy a plan from a private business.

Huge difference and they are two separate things. One is in the constitution the other is not

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
3:40 pm

Mama Says:

I know ………… if you win the war you get to write the history ………. but ask any blacks who have lived in Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Philly, etc. about true racism.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
3:40 pm

“How about CNN first reporting that ObamaCare had been overturned.”

Like this.

Fox did it too but cons can’t say it.

It is ridiculous.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
3:40 pm

Oh Bro,

I can always explain to Groover that I am really penalizing you libs for using abortion.

He will be ok with that cause he knows what the word penalty means

FrankLeeDarling

June 30th, 2012
3:41 pm

Mandatory abortions and free medicinal marijuana for all!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
3:42 pm

getalife:

What about that “revolution” post ?

Steve - USA ("None of the Above")

June 30th, 2012
3:42 pm

Are you sure “C” wasn’t written by JamVet? Looks like one of his rants.

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
3:43 pm

Yet more red state Republican mooching off the rest of us…

The House passed a transportation and housing spending bill that would boost funding by 11 percent for a government program that subsidizes air travel to rural areas, an initiative long criticized by budget watchdogs as rife with waste.

Lawmakers voted 261-163 to pass the fiscal 2013 appropriations measure. The bill would provide $214 million for the Essential Air Service, which pays carriers to continue flights to more than 100 small communities, such as Dodge City, Kan., and Huron, S.D.

Critics say the flights often are little-used and can cost taxpayers hundreds of dollars per passenger. The program “lavishly subsidizes some of the least essential air services in the country,” said Rep. Tom McClintock, a California Republican.

On June 26 McClintock offered an amendment to cut $114 million from the program. His proposal divided his Republican colleagues, with some saying their constituents depend on the service, and the House rejected it, 164-238.

“It is the only way some of these airports stay open,” said Rep. Tim Huelskamp, a freshman Republican whose district covers 69 counties in central and western Kansas. “It’s a rural issue.” Without the program, he said, his constituents would have to drive hundreds of miles to the nearest airport.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
3:48 pm

You libs are funny.

You should change your name to the

WE DO NOT JUDGE YOU BECAUSE IT’S POLITICALLY WRONG UNLESS YOU DON’T AGREE WITH US PARTY

or

THE EVERYONE IS RACIST EXPECT US CAUSE WE JUDGE YOU IN OUR OWN WAY PARTY

or

I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO JUDGE YOU FOR ACTING LIKE YOU JUDGE ME PARTY

then there is the

I AM NOT RACIST BECAUSE I JUDGED YOU TO BE, EVEN THOUGH I DON’T KNOW YOU PARTY

gotta go so I will not read your lib responses for a while.

Can’t wait to see my party names though

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
3:49 pm

“The lab report said I had type-A blood, but it was a Type-O.”

DannyX

June 30th, 2012
3:53 pm

“Yet more red state Republican mooching off the rest of us…”

JamVet, did the deficits-suddenly-matter-Republicans list the offsets for the increase to their ‘Runways to Nowhere’ funding?

Mr_B

June 30th, 2012
3:54 pm

OK, Mama. You have me convinced. You do NOt have to be racist to be completely wrong.

FruitNewt

June 30th, 2012
3:55 pm

I think the most over-the-top reaction was Romney’s statement prepared and released before SCOTUS announced its decision.

Mr_B

June 30th, 2012
3:57 pm

If government can mandate that I pay for something I don’t want, then what is beyond its power? If the Supreme Court’s decision Thursday paves the way for unprecedented intrusion into personal decisions, then has the Republic all but ceased to exist? If so, then is armed rebellion today justified?

God willing, this oppression will be lifted and America free again before the first shot is fired.”

Why didn’t this yoyo take up arms when the Feds mandated seat belts and catalytic converters.

Brosephus™

June 30th, 2012
3:57 pm

Let’s see if the government taxes you it’s the same as a penalty, fee or any over process by which the government is paid.

It all comes out the same. You pay a penalty for speeding, DUI, or anything else you go to court for. Along with the penalty, there’s usually court costs in the form of fees and such. There’s a recycling “fee” when you buy tires here in GA. The government has been doing this for much longer than I’ve been alive and will likely continue to do the same after I’m dust in a metal box.

You miss one huge point. Taxes are a constitutional ability for he government to raise money so IT can provide a service.

When you DON’T buy insurance because you choose not to or can’t afford to, you’ll be taxed or penalized. Where do you think the extra money for Medicaid is going to come from, taxing corporations more? You buy insurance, and you don’t get taxed. I’ve carried insurance since I was in college, and I don’t plan to NOT carry it. Therefore, I won’t be taxed or penalized by the government. So, I don’t see where the government is going to tax me or penalize me over this anyway. Hell, I’ve been paying for everybody else’s medical insurance, and I’m tired as hell of my premiums jumping 20% or more every year when I barely even use my insurance.

I don’t like this bill, but it is what it is. If you can find a way to keep ME from paying for other people’s medical costs, then I’m all ears.

I have no idea how you, the court or any other could say the government had the right to impose a PENALTY, which by every definition is punishment, on us if we do not buy a plan from a private business.

I can say it because:
a) Congress legislated it.
b) The president signed it.
C) The Supreme Court upheld it.

WHether I like it or not, that’s how our government functions according to the Constitution. If you think any of them have subverted the Constitution, then campaign to repeal and replace Congress and the President. Otherwise, all we’ve seen is the government function as it should.

JAW

June 30th, 2012
3:58 pm

AmVet, I am not too keen on the downloady thing, but these is right up your alley

http://now.msn.com/now/0629-rock-riffs.aspx

Brosephus™

June 30th, 2012
3:58 pm

I can always explain to Groover that I am really penalizing you libs for using abortion.

He will be ok with that cause he knows what the word penalty means

All fine and good, but Roberts has already went on record as saying pretty much that if it walks like a tax, sounds like a tax, and looks like a tax, it is a tax regardless of the name you give it. :)

DannyX

June 30th, 2012
3:59 pm

Democrats should take a cue from Georgia Republicans, instead of a tax for not having insurance they should call it a surcharge, you know, like they did with the new Georgia Power nuclear plants.

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
4:00 pm

Danny, they are the anti-patriots.

The red staters take hundreds of millions of dollars every year from Uncle Sam, and then tell him that he sucks.

I sweat they would have fought for the British in 1778…

getalife

June 30th, 2012
4:01 pm

scout,

I con revolution ?

Y’all are scared of everything.

Just loud mouth bluster and your health care will not change if you have insurance.

TGT

June 30th, 2012
4:03 pm

None of the above. The most over-the-top response to ObamaCare ruling?

Two answers: First: The executive director of the DNC: “It’s constitutional. B*tches.”

Second: DNC’s new media director tweeting on celebration overheard in the office: “TAKE THAT MOTHER******S!!”

getalife

June 30th, 2012
4:04 pm

corporate media jumped all over the word tax to create conflict.

They focused on it.

Turn it off.

Yellow journalism.

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
4:04 pm

JAW,

WOW!

I’m only about a quarter the way through and ………………….WOW!

Thanks, I appreciate the hell outtta that!

getalife

June 30th, 2012
4:04 pm

TGT,

Hacked.

Brosephus™

June 30th, 2012
4:06 pm

This whole court thing was a complete waste of time. The GOP House has had since they took control in Jan 2011 to craft a viable replacement if they were truly concerned about healthcare costs. As things have played out, it has been revealed that this was yet another attempt in their quest to defeat Barack Obama.

At what point does the GOP quit trying to be the real-life version of Wile E. Coyote trying to catch the Roadrunner and actually focus on doing what they are supposed to do? Has there not been at least one GOP strategist that has suggested that maybe, if they legislated and ran government better than the Democratic Party and Obama, they would defeat them and remove them from power? Usually, when there are two people racing for first place, the one that wins usually out drives or outperforms the other. Only in a demolition derby do you win by destroying your competition. Last time I checked, this country was not a demolition derby.

FrankLeeDarling

June 30th, 2012
4:06 pm

I hope these cons do take up arms
It will be like fish in a barrell
Poof out of our hair

204 more days

June 30th, 2012
4:08 pm

Good post TGT

carlosgvv

June 30th, 2012
4:09 pm

Actually, I have my own “over the top candidate” entry.

It’s all these cons who, with a straight face, say RomneyCare in Mass. is just totally different from Obamacare. Especially since we all know it’s virtually identical.

Orange 12

June 30th, 2012
4:11 pm

“I hope these cons do take up arms
It will be like fish in a barrell
Poof out of our hair”

Listen to yourself

carlosgvv

June 30th, 2012
4:12 pm

Brosephus – 4:06 “doing what they are supposed to do”

In the twisted minds of Republican politicians, they are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. Namely, protect the profit margins of their Corporate sponsors at all costs. This includes telling as many lies as needed about Obamacare to get rid of it and Obama.

Liberal Pariah

June 30th, 2012
4:14 pm

Jay, if you haven’t fallen asleep yet, what do you think of the profanity laced responses of the Democratic Leadership? Or does it not offend because your morality meter only tunes right?

Tundra Dude

June 30th, 2012
4:15 pm

You really think they are going to ever take a righteous stand? Puhleeze. These are NOT people of action.They will sit on the sidelines and b*tch endlessly and hope Donald Trump trickles down on them.
Occupy that…

LOL! Good Un!

Can’t really blame them too much Their intellectual leadership consists of Sarah the Palin, Mucho Cum Loud graduate of the famed Idaho College of Hair and Nails, and that 40-year old professional plumbing student, Joe the Helper (still can’t pass that test).

Liberal Pariah

June 30th, 2012
4:16 pm

carlosgvv…why do you think the insurance companies went along with Obamacare? Because Obama protected the profits of those big corporations. Quit drinking the Republicans only look out for the big corporations Kool-Aid. Your talking points are worn out.

Liberal Pariah

June 30th, 2012
4:18 pm

The sad part is that Sarah the Palin is still more qualified for POTUS than the clown in the White House. Community organizer hahahahaha!!!

getalife

June 30th, 2012
4:20 pm

lib,

Where is palin?

I figured she would go off too.

I guess her fifteen minutes are up.

Impotent Rage against the Obama Machine

June 30th, 2012
4:20 pm

well, I think its time for jaysus to ride in on his dinosaur and
save us all from this sharia law.

pogo

June 30th, 2012
4:21 pm

No need to back bite. Just get of rid of the lying POS that is now occupying the Whitehouse.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
4:22 pm

It would have been great to see these con heads explode over billionaires united or the legalize past insider trading bill but we saw they cheered that on.

Sad but true.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
4:23 pm

pogo,

w is gone.

Midori

June 30th, 2012
4:25 pm

so now “it’s constitutional, b*tches” equates to death threats and calls for armed revolution?

the things one learns on this blog.

Question Man

June 30th, 2012
4:26 pm

Is it possible to pick a winner from such a collection of loonies?

getalife

June 30th, 2012
4:27 pm

Bro,

They have a plan called willardcare and it works.

Midori

June 30th, 2012
4:28 pm

speaking of Sarah, I hear she has a new nickname: the “W*ore of Babbleon”

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
4:28 pm

The sad part is that Sarah the Palin is still more qualified for POTUS…

Court jester, maybe.

People Magazine and Entertainment Tonight ain’t gonna cut it, Sarah BarraClueless…

All she did was embarrass the hell outta John McCain and the GOP…

GT

June 30th, 2012
4:28 pm

Good stuff but one you missed was the melt down by Jeffery Toobin on CNN after his missed prediction. My mouth hung open when he made it the night before, CNN really lost its creditability on this one.

DannyX

June 30th, 2012
4:28 pm

“w is gone.”

Citizens arrest!! Citizens arrest!!!

Its now a crime to mention W. Citizens arrest!!

Ol' Timer

June 30th, 2012
4:30 pm

When ol’ Samuel Johnson said, “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel,” he was speaking of the type of patriotic demagoguery Mr. Nicholson of the Mississippi Tea Party demonstrated in his diatribe.

“Get all the facts first, then you can distort them as you please.”
~Mark Twain

carlosgvv

June 30th, 2012
4:32 pm

Liberal – 4:16

Which party, in both the House and Senate, absolutely REFUSES to impose any tax increase on the RICH?

When Republicans decide to free themselves from Corporate domination and tax the rich fairly, I will give up my “worn out” talking points.

Brosephus™

June 30th, 2012
4:32 pm

why do you think the insurance companies went along with Obamacare? Because Obama protected the profits of those big corporations. Quit drinking the Republicans only look out for the big corporations Kool-Aid. Your talking points are worn out.

I hate that whole “kool-aid” phrase. I also hate it when people state stuff as though it’s completely factual when it’s entirely wrong…

http://influencealley.nationaljournal.com/2012/06/exclusive-ahip-gave-more-than.php

The nation’s leading health insurance industry group gave more than $100 million to help fuel the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s 2009 and 2010 efforts to defeat President Obama’s signature health care reform law, National Journal’s Influence Alley has learned.

During the final push to kill the bill before its March 2010 passage, America’s Health Insurance Plans gave the chamber $16.2 million. With the $86.2 million the insurers funneled to the business lobbying powerhouse in 2009, AHIP sent the chamber a total of $102.4 million during the health care reform debate, a number that has not been reported before now.

The backchannel spending allowed insurers to publicly stake out a pro-reform position while privately funding the leading anti-reform lobbying group in Washington. The chamber spent tens of millions of dollars bankrolling efforts to kill health care reform.

The behind-the-scenes transfers were particularly hard to track because the law does not require groups to publicly disclose where they are sending the money or who they are receiving it from.

If there’s ever a need for transparency laws, that should spring up on the radar of many Americans, regardless of political leanings. This funding was known well ahead of time too.

From 2010:

Health insurers last year gave the U.S. Chamber of Commerce $86.2 million that was used to oppose the health-care overhaul law, according to tax records and people familiar with the donation.

The insurance lobby, whose members include Minnetonka, Minnesota-based UnitedHealth Group Inc. and Cigna Corp. of Philadelphia, gave the money to the Chamber in 2009 as Democrats increased criticism of the industry, according to a person who requested anonymity because laws don’t require identifying funding sources. The Chamber got the money from the America’s Health Insurance Plans as the industry urged Congress to drop a plan to create a competing government-run insurance plan…

The spending on the Chamber exceeded the insurer group’s entire budget from a year earlier and accounted for 40 percent of the Chamber’s $214.6 million in 2009 expenditures. The spending reflects the insurers’ attempts to influence the bill, which the Congressional Budget Office estimates will provide coverage to 32 million previously uninsured Americans, after Democrats in Congress and the White House put more focus on regulation of the insurance industry.

As others have frequently said, we have the best government that money can buy.

Brosephus™

June 30th, 2012
4:33 pm

Impotent Rage against the Obama Machine

June 30th, 2012
4:33 pm

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
4:37 pm

“Then you have the three gop guvs refusing to implement it”

Maybe 26

Tundra Dude

June 30th, 2012
4:37 pm

mama:
I know a lot of you on this blog are stubborn and hard headed but why you cannot understand that government having the ability to tell you what you are going to buy is not freedom I will never get.

Agree. We don’t know it, but we’ve been enslaved since those Faux patriots, Washington and Madison pushed thru the Militia Acts of 1792, which required each able-bodied white male of fighting age six months to “provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball.”

Faux Nuze back then, asked: What’s next…mandatory broccoli..??

Brosephus™

June 30th, 2012
4:37 pm

carlos

I don’t quite believe that. I think politicians are doing what’s necessary to maintain their power. By maintaining their power, they are able to generate and protect their wealth. If they did not need those vast sums of money to run campaigns, they would not have to prostitute themselves to companies and wealthy johns. Instead, if they only had to worry about the voters, they would have to do what it takes to appeal to them, which is govern with common damn sense.

For politicians, it’s not necessarily that they’re acting on behalf of corporations. I see them as acting on behalf of corporations because they need the money to run campaigns that keep them in power. In the end, I think it’s all about the power.

pogo

June 30th, 2012
4:38 pm

Jay, do you really want us to dredge up some of the more “un-pleasant” things that you and your brethren in the print media were saying about the SCOTUS before their decision (that you all think went your way)? Nah, I didn’t think so. Jay offers another bit of fodder to feed his eager and starving liberal followers who have nothing else to do.

Bring on the heat! I have lived in the South Georgia my entire life and this heat is normal to me. I like it. But the press is going wild with the global warming thing as being the cause of high temperatures. What a bunch of idiots. Records are falling but you got to understand they are are being compared against data collected within the last 100 years. Records based upon 100 years of data on this earth have about as much significance and impact as a someone spitting into the Atlantic ocean and the impact that has on the ocean level.

midtownguy

June 30th, 2012
4:38 pm

I have never been without insurance in my life and I am on the backside of my 50’s so I really don’t know what it would feel like to be uninsured. That said, if the majority is that opposed to the legislation all that have to do is elect Romney along with a majority in the Senate and hold their majority in the House and it all goes away.

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
4:44 pm

JAW, oOne of the 100 riffs in that stunning link. One that I had never heard.

Though I remember Top of the pops from my days in England.

Again, thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5DE8UQnM5Y

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
4:44 pm

“If the majority is that opposed to the legislation all that have to do is elect Romney along with a majority in the Senate and hold their majority in the House and it all goes away.”

Fasten your seat belt as that may happen.

Liberal Pariah

June 30th, 2012
4:51 pm

Brosephus is right. Lawyers give Dems more money than any other group gives anybody else and carlos and the gang don’t mention the big money influences on the Liberal side. Both sides govern to keep the money flowing instead of governing what’s best for the people. To say the Republicans equal Big Corporations and that Democrats are for the ‘people’ is beyond ridiculous. It’s all about getting the money to keep the power. By the way, the rich you say the Republicans won’t tax aren’t necessarily corporations.

Smoke&Mirrors

June 30th, 2012
4:51 pm

Midtownguy.
You are so correct…. unfortunately, there would be other things that would ‘go away’ if we had a one party rule. (rule, not government…) As others have said, it’s all about power and money. Sad….

Midori

June 30th, 2012
4:52 pm

look at the top of the page: we’ve hit 106 degrees

Jay

June 30th, 2012
4:54 pm

“Jay, if you haven’t fallen asleep yet, what do you think of the profanity laced responses of the Democratic Leadership? Or does it not offend because your morality meter only tunes right?”

Pariah, I’d make a couple of points in response.

1.) Yeah, you could throw an excessive celebration flag on those statements, and they weren’t exactly PG-13. But to compare them to suggestions of overthrowing the government and claims that America is dead, etc. is stretching it considerably.

2.) Even given #1, most of the folks I’ve seen quoted have retracted or apologized for their statements. The $30 T-shirt, on the other hand, is still for sale. Get one while supplies last.

Midori

June 30th, 2012
4:57 pm

Former Town Official Wishes Cancer on Supreme Court Justices

http://merrimack.patch.com/articles/former-town-councilor-i-hope-the-5-supremes-get-colon-cancer

oh my!!! yet, “it’s constitutional, b*tches” ………………………

oh, never mind.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
4:57 pm

Global warming is now a fact…dinosaur spotting in Florida moving North.

carlosgvv

June 30th, 2012
4:58 pm

Brosephus – 4:37

I must point out, though, that whether the’re acting to maintain their power or on the behalf of corporations, the end result for us citizens is the same.

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
5:00 pm

YEAH for global cooling!

It’s so hot out there that Herman Cain doesn’t even feel like groping white women!

carlosgvv

June 30th, 2012
5:00 pm

Tundra Dude – 4:37 “we’ve been enslaved”

So,if for over 200 years we’ve been enslaved, what are you suggesting?
A new form of Government?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
5:01 pm

My vote?

None of the above.

My favorite reaction came from closer to home, one of our regulars here (OK, ex-regular).

He came in here at 3:00 in the morning on the day of the decision apparently to put the champagne on ice and cover up the lockers in anticipation of his victory dance.

Denied his victory dance, between 10:30 a.m. and 11:00a.m., he had an epic melt-down and committed blog suicide.

“Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

Just sayin’.

carlosgvv

June 30th, 2012
5:01 pm

Jay, these over-the top responses come under the category of “you can’t make this stuff up”.

ragnar danneskjold

June 30th, 2012
5:02 pm

The most over-the-top response was by those celebratory leftists who have yet to understand the constrictive economic effect of the looming largest tax increase in US history (ObamaCare is even larger than the “end of the Bush tax cuts.”) A close second would go to those who think more government involvement will improve health care.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
5:03 pm

“Get one while supplies last.”

No thank you.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
5:04 pm

I remember one summer when it was over a hundred for weeks in Atlanta.

Proud to be me

June 30th, 2012
5:05 pm

The story of why Bush was so bad at the end of his term.
Don’t just skim over this, it’s not very long, read it slowly and let it sink in. If in doubt, check it out!!!
The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress. The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.
For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is “Bush’s Fault”, think about this:
January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress. At the time:

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%

George Bush’s Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH
Remember the day…
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.

The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?
BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!

Unemployment… to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie – starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA
And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?
OBAMA and the Democrat Congress

So when someone tries to blame Bush..

REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007…. THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!”

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party.

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 &2011.
In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

There is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!

Michael

June 30th, 2012
5:05 pm

The debate about healthcare is about the administration of the system, not about the actual healthcare. I’m in my late 60s, and I’ve been paying other people’s cost of healthcare my whole life. I would estimate that I’ve paid $250-300,000 in health insurance premiums during my career. The most expensive line item is Administrative costs, which are estimated to be 15-20% of the premiums. The cost of having 3 children, 4 broken arms for the boys, regular physicals before school, and inocculations was less than the administrative cost.
Now, I’m surrounded by a bunch of fat, old people who don’t take care of themselves. But, since I’d rather be healthy, I guess I shouldn’t begrudge the money that was spent on people with more problems. Although, I am a little bitter that Cheney got a new heart, and I would not qualify because of age.
When the debate turns to actual healthcare and not the administrative department, we might accomplish something.

Proud to be me

June 30th, 2012
5:09 pm

Jay, you think the Republicans have the “most over-the-top response” to the Supreme Court decision about Obama care!!! While you are so busy reading their response maybe you should take a look at the left Liberal responses trying to explain why it isn’t a “tax” . . . duh!!

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
5:11 pm

ragner,

I’m among those conservatives who think that Roberts has given the Romney campaign and Republicans a huge gift in this election year. We don’t know his real motive but you can bet the AHA will be torn apart ten different ways from Sunday and tied to the economy between now and November. That will force the Obama campaign into defensive ( they call it an opportunity to sell it, while most think good luck with that) mode when their strategy was to be on offense against Romney as a diversion from Obama’s record.

Jay

June 30th, 2012
5:13 pm

So Recon, judging by that statement, you would have been disappointed had the court thrown the law out altogether? That would have been a bad thing in your mind?

DannyX

June 30th, 2012
5:13 pm

Scientific measurements of the outdoor temperature indicate a high of 106 degrees.

It may feel cooler if you use the Republican anti-reality temperature which is only 78 degrees.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
5:14 pm

Proud,

9/11, two lost occupations and the collapse of the global economy is why w and cheney are hiding from the people.

Send that on con.

St Simons - he-ne-ha-ha-ha

June 30th, 2012
5:14 pm

ah, i noticed that on the am radio.. they’ve added the word “looming”
to “largest tax increase in the history of the world”

making it meaningless hatespeech, since its been slapped down
already, but hopefully retaining that wingnut ‘zing’

Thomas

June 30th, 2012
5:14 pm

I thought Glenn Beck went where all immature, ridiculous blog host/slanted commentators went and should go- to fight Somolian pirates.

I am for armed rebellion- we all could use some excitement in our life. Our fearless leader Crowell was caught so we are going contingency plan alpha alpha over Waffle House #1093-

anyway- enjoy the drama of the blog- hydrate- and definitely don’t forget to tip on the way out

Thomas

June 30th, 2012
5:16 pm

By the way- RB Ginsburg quote about those who know don’t talk was the best quote I have heard in years. Don’t necessarily agree with the lady- but she is smart and sexy in my book.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
5:16 pm

“I remember one summer when it was over a hundred for weeks in Atlanta.”

getalife, be careful this is supposed to be a recent condition. Your party line controllers won’t be pleased with you.

St Simons - he-ne-ha-ha-ha

June 30th, 2012
5:17 pm

Republicans wouldn’t know the difference between a penalty and a tax.

(its an accounting joke)

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
5:18 pm

Flip Romney is the only politician in my lifetime who, on a vast array of issues, does not see eye to eye with ………………………………………………….. himself.

Irony abounds

June 30th, 2012
5:18 pm

Matt Davis loses for his historical accuracy. Since the fascist takeover by the “Progressives” led by President Wilson (anyone who actually studies history knows this is when a fascist government did exist in this country and trampled the rights of numerous groups), it has been the place of the federal government to increasingly control all aspects of citizens’ lives. Wilson considered anyone who was a hyphen American to be an enemy of the state who should be locked up, and thousands were.

gman

June 30th, 2012
5:18 pm

Now that the Republican have been given the “elbow of death”, let’s deal with the fundamentalist Christians that support a high-ranking Mormon cultist! Kind of bass ackwards don’t you thnk?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
5:19 pm

Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie – starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.

Too funny!

But my attitude is, if somebody can’t find work and they want to work, we’ve got to continue to work on expanding the job base. And part of economic security is owning your own home. (Applause.) Part of being a secure America is to encourage homeownership. So somebody can say, this is my home, welcome to my home.

Now, we’ve got a problem here in America that we have to address. Too many American families, too many minorities do not own a home. There is a home ownership gap in America. The difference between Anglo America and African American and Hispanic home ownership is too big. (Applause.) And we’ve got to focus the attention on this nation to address this

[...]

And let me talk about some of the progress which we have made to date, as an example for others to follow. First of all, government sponsored corporations that help create our mortgage system — I introduced two of the leaders here today — they call those people Fannie May and Freddie Mac, as well as the federal home loan banks, will increase their commitment to minority markets by more than $440 billion. (Applause.) I want to thank Leland and Franklin for that commitment. It’s a commitment that conforms to their charters, as well, and also conforms to their hearts.

[...]

Fannie Mae will establish 100 partnerships with faith-based organizations that will provide home buyer education and help increase homeownership for their congregations. I love the partnership.

Now, aintyourfacetight.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
5:19 pm

del is an optimist.

The dems go on the offense on health care and taxes del.

willard will have to lie over and over about repealing it.

Then he tells the truth that he will keep some parts of it .

So which is it del.?

Jay

June 30th, 2012
5:20 pm

Thomas, this is a bunch of lousy tippers, with the notable exception of Paul.

DannyX

June 30th, 2012
5:22 pm

“George Bush’s Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH”

Happy days! Can’t wait to see George W helping out Romney on the campaign trail to remind everyone of his accomplishments, and to let everyone know they should vote for Romney so Romney can finish the job.

Happy days are here again!

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
5:23 pm

Jay, absolutely…I was pleased with the decision. Imagine if it gone the other way, the left would be climbing the walls screaming Supreme Court right wing activism. Beyond the political implication that I think will ultimately favor Republicans in this election year, I believe Roberts made the correct decision, this decision does belong with the voters. If they had known more about the ramifications of this bill in 08 Obama wouldn’t have won.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
5:24 pm

I can’t keep up with willard’s positions. .

Perhaps a press conference and answering questions would help.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
5:25 pm

Party first del.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
5:27 pm

“So which is it del.?”

getlife, I’m now feeling more than I ever thought before that it will now be a Republican sweep in November.

DannyX

June 30th, 2012
5:28 pm

“Beyond the political implication that I think will ultimately favor Republicans in this election year, I believe Roberts made the correct decision, this decision does belong with the voters.”

You would think that Romney would have at least gotten a Rasmussen bump after the SC healthcare decision. Not showing up yet. Neither did that Romney $5 a gallon bump Republicans have been predicting for the pat 6 months.

Midori

June 30th, 2012
5:34 pm

Kammy,

I think a whole bunch of them put that bubbly on ice.

And Del probably slammed his against the refrigerator door :lol:

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
5:34 pm

DannyX,

Nor has Obama. What does that tell you?

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
5:37 pm

I guess Midori didn’t read my posts right after the decision came down and before the analysts came out with their respective synopsis. I toasted Roberts decision.

Adam

June 30th, 2012
5:38 pm

You know what I have to say on this whole thing?

SUCK IT

You spent years, YEARS filling my ears with bullsh*t about how this thing was unconstitutional, how the President wipes his ass with the Constitution, how he’s in over his head, can’t lead, can’t get anything done… now ALL of that has been PROVEN to be not true. You freaking DESERVE to have your asses handed to you if you EVER participated in such vitriolic bullsh*t. I sat by, got angry sometimes, made my voice known, etc etc. But I grew a thick skin over it. Your turn. Stop whining and complaining and MOVE ON.

And it gives me GREAT SATISFACTION to see you suddenly revert to “It’s a TAX!” To that last argument, here’s your moment of zen:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-june-28-2012/roberts–rules-of-order

bman.

June 30th, 2012
5:39 pm

A few of those are sorta funny – there’s no denying that. Now, try to imagine the reactions from those on the left had the decision gone the other way. It doesn’t take too much imagination ….

Brosephus™

June 30th, 2012
5:40 pm

getalife

June 30th, 2012
5:43 pm

No del.

Will willard repeal willardcare or keep some parts of it?

Which position is it?

I think willard is confused and not ready for prime time.

I think he is weak on foreign policy.

I think he is a job killer.

I think he would be another disaster like w.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
5:45 pm

Hiya, Midori! :wink:

How’s your eye(s)?

My mom has the macular degeneration thingie (same as you I assume?) and has been undergoing the shot treatment for a year of so.

DannyX

June 30th, 2012
5:46 pm

“Nor has Obama. What does that tell you?”

That tells me that Republicans think the healthcare issue is way more important to the voters than the voters do. As much as Republicans try to talk themselves into believing they have momentum its just not happening. Healthcare, gas prices, Fast and Furious, Arizona immigration, Obama supporting gay marriage, whatever the latest hysterical issue Republicans come up with have failed to sway most voters, polling continues to slightly favor Obama.

Listening to Republicans you would think Romney has a 30 point lead.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
5:48 pm

getalife,

yeah, yeah, yeah but it’s an old Marine Corps expression called $hiting in one hand while wishing in the other. Rub your hands together and see what you have all over your wishes. Good luck!

Jay

June 30th, 2012
5:48 pm

Gallup says 46 percent back the Court decision; 46 percent oppose it. Just 6 percent say health care is top issue for the country; just 31 percent say they would repeal the law entirely.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
5:49 pm

I think he would be another disaster like w.

I think that no one can match the disaster of w.

Homeric.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
5:51 pm

“Listening to Republicans you would think Romney has a 30 point lead.”

Does Obama after all of his campaign misses? Think about it.

Liberal Pariah

June 30th, 2012
5:52 pm

Jay is a blogging geniues. He got over 250 people including myself to comment on lots of nothing. Quoting wingnuts can be done by both sides. Stupid stuff like these righty comments are in articles on HuffPo every day. It just takes the ideologues from the other side to point it out. Hats off Jay. Enjoyed the exercise. Going to take the fam to dinner with the fruits of my EMPLOYED LABOR.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
5:52 pm

Jay, check those stats in September.

Midori

June 30th, 2012
5:52 pm

you’re not fooling anyone, Del.

DannyX

June 30th, 2012
5:53 pm

“Gallup says 46 percent back the Court decision; 46 percent oppose it. Just 6 percent say health care is top issue for the country; just 31 percent say they would repeal the law entirely.”

That is not what Republicans see when reading those poll results. They see…

Agree with the decision- .05%
Disagree with the decision- 8,312%

Midori

June 30th, 2012
5:54 pm

thanks Kammie. I finished my treatments in April, and my vision is doing quite well.

I still have to go to follow ups, tho.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
5:54 pm

Going to take the fam to dinner with the fruits of my EMPLOYED LABOR.

TOODLES.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
5:55 pm

Midori, don’t need to fool anyone whose fooling themselves.

Midori

June 30th, 2012
5:56 pm

Danny,

maybe Obama should next try to reform the Education system.

The right sorely needs help with math.

josef

June 30th, 2012
5:56 pm

IMAM

You know, you were right on the drama queen alert last p.m. Quite the drag show there and on here. And you, if I may say so, are the Master of Ceremonies.

“Just 6 percent say health care is top issue for the country”

But, what the hey, eh? It’s summertime and the cotton’s high on the old liberal plantation. :-)

Midori

June 30th, 2012
5:57 pm

so why keep at it?

:lol:

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
6:00 pm

Only six percent think heath care is a priority consideration. Wow, does that leave opportunities for the Republicans.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
6:01 pm

High cotton?

I got back up here in this small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns. just in time to save myself from having fried green tomatoes on the vine.

Oy to the vey!

josef

June 30th, 2012
6:04 pm

K’Chak

Had fried green tomatoes for lunch! Unmentionable has been threatening to bring the tomato plants inside! :-)

St Simons - he-ne-ha-ha-ha

June 30th, 2012
6:06 pm

whaaaat – the cons peeing on themselves that its a big payoff to Big Ins?

why they wanna ‘punish the job creators?’ why do they hate ‘merka?

and I vote for Kamchak’s choice.
Mr Pompousass’s meltdown was epic,
2nd only to that creepy one that threatened the host

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
6:07 pm

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
6:11 pm

DannyX

June 30th, 2012
6:11 pm

“Had fried green tomatoes for lunch!”

The squirrels in my yard had green tomatoes for lunch. Those @#^&*!#ers.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
6:14 pm

This is a no drama Obama blog.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
6:17 pm

del flipped floped.

First he was angry and hated it and now he loves it.

No wonder he will vote for willard.

Jack

June 30th, 2012
6:18 pm

Obama says I have to pay even more to help support an unheathy life style chosen by a misfit.

yuzeyurbrane

June 30th, 2012
6:18 pm

There is indeed treasonous talk about in the land. This is what we get when we pander to the Tea Party types. They are just talking now but unless squashed there are many followers of this movement will graduate to treasonous actions. All responsible Americans, be they Republicans, Democrats, Independents, white, black, purple or green should unite to put these sick minds back in their holes. American democracy thrives on civil discourse and compromise, not on radical extremism of any stripe. These nuts are close to presenting a clear and present danger.

josef

June 30th, 2012
6:18 pm

DANNY

Yeah. General Sherman has been back in my moss garden village…they’ve pretty much left the tomatoes alone, they’ve got peaches to pick…

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
6:25 pm

“American democracy thrives on civil discourse and compromise, not on radical extremism of any stripe. These nuts are close to presenting a clear and present danger.”

And then there is the OWS movement.

Tundra Dude

June 30th, 2012
6:26 pm

Casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson is making another huge campaign contribution aimed at electing Republicans and voting President Barack Obama out of office.

He’s willing to put up $100 million….shouldn’t he get naming rights……such as:
USA is now United States of Adelson,
or at least: Adelson-Romney 2012

josef

June 30th, 2012
6:29 pm

TUNDRA

Adelson ain’t in the insurance bidness, is he? :-)

JamVet

June 30th, 2012
6:29 pm

These nuts are close to presenting a clear and present danger.

I doubt it.

Over and over, they have shown they are all hat and no cattle.

Or….

They stroll into churches and kill unarmed, innocent women and children.

That’s about it…

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
6:30 pm

Sheldon Adelson is to the Republicans what George (sorry ass Soros) is to the Democrats.

JohnnyReb

June 30th, 2012
6:31 pm

Over the last 3 or so years there has been repeated whinning here by Moonbats upset with Senate rules requiring the 60 votes. Kyle’s blog piece, tommorow’s column I think, points out that since Obamacare is officially a tax the Reconcilliation process applies and a simple majority is all that is needed.

Hopes to strike down Obamacare moves to the Nov elections where I am confident Obama will be defeated. And, even if Republicans don’t have 60 Senate votes we will hopefully have the majority.

It will be sweet when Obamacare is repealed in the Senate with less than 60 votes presenting an opportunity for the Moonbats to do the flop on the 60 vote thing. Sorta like their flop on Roberts. I’m not saying all, but there are too many Moonbats whose principles are tied more to outcome than character.

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
6:33 pm

The presstitute American press pretends that an evil Syrian government is murdering innocent citizens who only want democracy and that if the UN won’t intervene militarily, the US must in order to save human rights. Russia and China are vilified by US functionaries for opposing any pretext for a NATO invasion of Syria.

The facts, of course, are different from those presented by the presstitute American media and members of the US government. The Syrian “rebels” are well armed with military weapons. The “rebels” are battling the Syrian army. The rebels massacre civilians and report to their media whores in the West that the deed was done by the Syrian government, and the Western presstitutes spread the propaganda.

Someone is arming the “rebels” as obviously the weapons can’t be purchased in local Syrian markets. Most intelligent people believe the weapons are coming from the US or from US surrogates.

So, Washington has started a civil war in Syria, as it did in Libya, but this time the gullible Russians and Chinese have caught on and have refused to permit a UN resolution like the one the West exploited against Gaddafi.

To get around this roadblock, fish out an ancient Phantom fighter jet from the 1960s Vietnam war era and have Turkey fly it into Syria. The Syrians will shoot it down, and then Turkey can appeal to its NATO allies to come to its aid against Syria. Denied the UN option, Washington can invoke its obligation under the NATO treaty, and go to war in defense of a NATO member against a demonized Syria.

The neoconservative lie behind Washington’s wars of hegemony is that the US is bringing democracy to the invaded and bombed countries. To paraphrase Mao, “democracy comes out of the barrel of a gun.” However, the Arab Spring has come up short on democracy, as have Iraq and Afghanistan, two countries “liberated” by US democratic invasions.

Thank God! for Paul Craig Roberts! Keep on telling it, Paul!

The truth is so hard to find these days!

josef

June 30th, 2012
6:37 pm

getalife

June 30th, 2012
6:38 pm

We should be uniting against billionaires united.

josef

June 30th, 2012
6:42 pm

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
6:43 pm

josef

June 30th, 2012
6:45 pm

We know who’s pet you are…woof, woof….

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
6:45 pm

And I promise if it’s repealed the “stop crying” crowd. Will see a need to begin crying.

By the way libs how is it that in order to “save the court” it was the conservative that had to vote with the libs ?

God help us if we expected a lib to vote with the conservatives against the bill.

Every lib votes for a liberal policy and it’s ok, had he cons voted with th cons policy it would have been a bias court.

Humm interesting logic

josef

June 30th, 2012
6:47 pm

MAMA

There IS no logic here on either “side.” The insurance companies made out like a bandit, the liberals are cheering and the conservatives are wailing…go figure…

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
6:48 pm

Ever notice how it just happened to be the hottest day in history when the libs win the vote ?

It’s a sign.

Satan is happy the libs won. Oh wait it’s the cons who Satan I forgot

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
6:48 pm

This upcoming election probably will be the most important election in our life time. The question before the voters is should this country make a hard left turn that leads to our demise as a world leader or do we turn away from that path and elect leadership that places American world leadership and prosperity above socialism. Hopefully, the latter will prevail and I pray it shall. The former could in all probability not only result in our demise as a world leader but also result in this great country’s demise as a nation.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
6:49 pm

I know interesting isn’t it.

Everyone forgot which side they were on

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
6:50 pm

At least I’m not a “pompous ass’s” best ol’ buddy.

Hey, josef, post something that tells the blog how the estimated 50,000 to 100,000 Libyans who were killed in our bombardment helped bring “democracy” to that state.

For the rest of you, 58,000 men were killed in Vietnam. Between 50,000 and 100,000 innocent men, women and children were killed by our bombardment of Libya.

You won’t ever hear about that in the media because they’re more concerned about Snooki’s pregnancy and Kim Kardashian’s mega-ass.

But, take heart, those innocent people didn’t die in vain, armed thugs now rule that country’s “democracy.”

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
6:50 pm

Dang it’s so hot I don’t know if I want to argue with you libs

FruitNewt

June 30th, 2012
6:52 pm

I recommend everyone watch the musical film 1776 this coming July 4th holiday and get a grip.

josef

June 30th, 2012
6:52 pm

Sooth…
Who’s the pompous ass with whom I am supposed to be best buddy?

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
6:53 pm

Is that a movie detailing how Obama killed our constitution ?

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
6:54 pm

“We know who’s pet you are…”

Since you know and I don’t, please share with the blog who’s pet I am. I’m sure everyone would like to hear it.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
6:55 pm

josef,

Your a lib but no pompous ass, if that makes you feel better.

I mean both would be an insult wouldn’t they ?

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
6:56 pm

“Mr Pompousass’s meltdown was epic”

This one.

josef

June 30th, 2012
6:59 pm

MAMA

I’m a Delusional Lickspittle Plantation Liberal! Oh, yeah, and a drama queen! :-)

Sooth

Oh, please…I’m sure everyone doesn’t really give a sh*t…

josef

June 30th, 2012
7:00 pm

Sooth
“Mr Pompousass’s meltdown was epic”

Who is that one?

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
7:00 pm

St Simons – he-ne-ha-ha-ha

June 30th, 2012
6:06 pm

whaaaat – the cons peeing on themselves that its a big payoff to Big Ins?

why they wanna ‘punish the job creators?’ why do they hate ‘merka?

and I vote for Kamchak’s choice.
Mr Pompousass’s meltdown was epic,
2nd only to that creepy one that threatened the host

——————————————————–

Heck, I’m sorry, here’s the full post.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
7:01 pm

I say it’s time for the people to rise up !

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
7:02 pm

josef: I don’t mind telling you, my opinion of you has completely changed. And, not for the better.

That’s just my opinion.

josef

June 30th, 2012
7:04 pm

SOOTH

Kinda slow on the uptake, aintcha?

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
7:04 pm

Oooops! I guess this means that you and the other Cherokee dismissive-speaking blogger are on the outs now. Sorry!

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
7:04 pm

In Vietnam we said it’s okay that we lost 58,000 that would have loved to have lived full lives and enjoyed raising families. Forget that we sent them there to fight and die for no purpose that was defined nor even committed to winning. Then because we changed our minds based on politics and our desire to get reelected we wrote them off and did so, even after they defeated their enemy on the battlefields. What a travesty that’s being repeated once again.

St Simons - he-ne-ha-ha-ha

June 30th, 2012
7:05 pm

huh? me? what’d i do, mon?

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
7:05 pm

“Kinda slow on the uptake, aintcha?”

I don’t know, why don’t you explain it to me.

Real American

June 30th, 2012
7:06 pm

“Rise up”?? BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA……please “Rise up”…out of that government paid for hoveround – please rise up. LOL

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
7:08 pm

St Simons: you didn’t do anything but make a very true observation.

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
7:10 pm

Obama’s numbers are good.
Gas is under $3 per gallon
and dropping.
Unemployment hovering
around 8%
PPACA in place with expanded medicaid.
No change and the messiah
gets anointed again.
Four more ears!
and i think the prez is
flashing signs at the tea
party, both hands one
finger each…

Josef

June 30th, 2012
7:12 pm

Sooth

Seriously, the only other two I know of on here who know any Cherokee, I’m on pretty good terms…

St Simons - he-ne-ha-ha-ha

June 30th, 2012
7:12 pm

i dig you, sooth. i was referring to the banned poster.

but i’ll leave if i bother any of you that much.
and i am Creek.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
7:12 pm

1.9% GDP is indeed a remarkable achievement.

captguitarman

June 30th, 2012
7:12 pm

Jay, you and the Dem/Libs should not gloat too much over the loony Right shenanigans/reactions to the SCOTUS decision upholding Obamacare. Yep, you won yesterday and you have the right to celebrate because the conservative chief justice surprised every one and pulled a rabbit out of the hat (the Mad Hatter’s hat, for sure) for the Dem/Libs. But, I am pretty certain that had he not pulled that rabbit out, we would have witnessed some “interesting” behavior from the Left. And frankly, I prefer the ridiculous and humorous ranting and raving as opposed to the typical reactions of the loony Left when issues don’t fall their way — rioting and looting and destruction of property. Also, Robert’s decision, has galvanized the Pub/Cons and the great majority of Americans opposed to the bill, and so he may have paved what was once a much tougher road to the White House for Romney.

Obamacare is probably beyond full repeal and replacement now despite all the Pub/Con chest thumping, but there may now be real chance for the Pub/Cons to control the Congress and Presidency. Keep in mind that Obamacare was opposed by roughly 70% of the electorate; it was never presented or sold as a tax because it could have have gotten through Congress as a tax; the bill passed by the skin of its teeth (7 votes in the House and 1 vote in the Senate); and because of the loss of the Senate seat in Massachusetts (owned, bought and paid for by the Kennedys) to Pub/Con, Scott Brown (I hear that a white, blonde, Cherokee Indian, Dem/Lib is running now to get it back) a smoke and mirrors parliamentary procdure, heretofore never used for bills of such magnitude (20% of the GDP) was used to squeak it through.

Also, the bill was not presented or sold as a tax. Every time the Pub/Cons called Obamacare a tax, the Dem/Libs reacted swiftly, including the President, declaring time and again that it was not a tax. In fact, the word “tax” was purposefully avoided in the bill. But then, in was just another cynical and hypocritical move by an administratrion that has not been anything but transparent, and which has depended on business as usual from the day Obama was elected, the Solicitor General arrived for oral argument before SCOTUS, and the first thing out of his mouth was “this is a tax.” Or, it could be a penalty. He was looking for a heads I win, tails you lose decision, and while it is still hard to believe, Roberts and the liberal justices accomodated him and created a brand new health care tax sitting right there on the bench – the largest tax increase in American history.

There may be silver, or heck, even a gold lining, in this dark cloud, because one really really good thing did happen, and you almost have to wonder what was said in the negotiating and deal making sessions inside SCOTUS when the decision was being made. OK, says Roberts to the Libs, I’ll throw in with you and we’ll create a new health care tax and the law will survive — but we are going to reign in the commerce clause which has been misused now for decades because the forefathers did not foresee how insidiould it would become as a tool to increase federal power due to a national economy. And they went along with it. There is now a very clear bright line, just passed, that will prohibit government interference in every aspect of American life, just because the economy is involved in almost every aspect of American life. And als noted, there could be a gold lining in all of this if the Pub/Cons are now able to get control of the Congress and Presidency and if not repeal the bill, make a lot of changes to reduce its scope and cost.

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
7:12 pm

josef: I know you can type faster than that.

But, let’s something straight right now. I don’t like you.

I think you’re opportunistic. You’re backstabbing. And, you’re intellectually dishonest as it relates to Israeli hegemony.

I look forward to battling it out with you in the future.

Oh! and by the way, I never back down!

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
7:13 pm

Rise up !

I am talking about football.

Go Falcons

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
7:15 pm

“but i’ll leave if i bother any of you that much.
and i am Creek.”

You don’t bother me at all. And the banned poster to whom you are referring is who we are talking about right now.

Jay

June 30th, 2012
7:15 pm

People sure get riled easy in this heat, s’all I’m saying.

Don’t worry, it’s gonna get all the way down to 79 tonight.

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
7:16 pm

Can’t anyone say Bruno?

BADA BING

June 30th, 2012
7:17 pm

Wow, Glenn Beck’s attempt to make a buck is despicable. It reminds me of something…………….Oh yeah, the ads at the top of this page.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
7:18 pm

Thank goodness for A/C invented by a conservative. You libs enjoy it if you have it.

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
7:19 pm

Jay, I’m just a little sensitive right now. Sorry!

I get a little upset when posters use German jawohl after my posts! I don’t appreciate the inference.

Rather than a substantive reply or no reply (the more preferred option), I get a cheap shot instead.

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
7:20 pm

Bada Bing
and at the bottom ..and
the side

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
7:20 pm

Oh, by the way, according to josef, I’m your teacher’s pet. Just thought you’d like to know.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
7:21 pm

“Can’t anyone say Bruno?”

I’m sure he can.

Brosephus™

June 30th, 2012
7:21 pm

But, I am pretty certain that had he not pulled that rabbit out, we would have witnessed some “interesting” behavior from the Left. And frankly, I prefer the ridiculous and humorous ranting and raving as opposed to the typical reactions of the loony Left when issues don’t fall their way — rioting and looting and destruction of property.

Geez……. So much hyperbole in all this heat will lead to hyperbolic heatstroke, or these could be the indicators that heatstroke has already set in.

All the talk about who would do what based on the decision is nothing but wishful thinking. One side was going to get their feelings hurt. As much as “libs” riot and loot, I’ve never heard them rally around exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. If you really want to get to the gist of it, it would appear that instead of talking about it, those libs simply get to business. They don’t waste time talking threats, they just tear sh*t up.

The sad truth is the citizens who are part of either extreme get drowned out because of the loud mouths who cry about not being heard when they shout down everybody else. I honestly look forward to the day when a president/presidential candidate tells both extreme sides to shut the f**k up so that others can be heard for once.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
7:23 pm

Sooth I missed it apparently.

What happened ?

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
7:24 pm

Sooth
Jay doesn’t seem to pay
attention to cheap shots,
he seems to thrive on them.
May even drink some.

emz

June 30th, 2012
7:24 pm

All of the above should have been an option!

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
7:24 pm

Mama: it’s ancient history. Forget about it.

Jay

June 30th, 2012
7:26 pm

No frog, I don’t like shots. I like my bourbon on the rocks, to be savored more slowly.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
7:26 pm

“I honestly look forward to the day when a president/presidential candidate tells both extreme sides to shut the f**k up so that others can be heard for once.”

Don’t hold your breath for Obama or his campaign managers to do so.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
7:26 pm

Who has the pool ? Can’t we get together and argue while we sit on our floats ?

Jay you can sit at the bar since you are so good at mixing up concoctions

Jay

June 30th, 2012
7:26 pm

The good news about the heat is that tomorrow I have a good shot at my goal of shooting the temperature.

BADA BING

June 30th, 2012
7:27 pm

Quit being outraged at Beck. Put a picture of him and the word idiot on a Tshirt and sell your own. Be the capitalist that you hate.

Brosephus™

June 30th, 2012
7:28 pm

Don’t hold your breath for Obama or his campaign managers to do so.

Or Romney or his campaign managers either. Just hoping the day comes sooner than later. All one can do in this instance is just hope.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
7:29 pm

“No frog, I don’t like shots. I like my bourbon on the rocks, to be savored more slowly.”

Damn, Jay and I agree on something.

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
7:29 pm

Jay
as bourbon lovers do.
but i couldn’t resist the
cheap shot..

FruitNewt

June 30th, 2012
7:31 pm

Mama Says @ 6:53 pm

It’s the movie where we learn that conservatives have only their own best interests in mind.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
7:31 pm

Bro,

If that ever happens what will happen to jays blog ?

Are we all gonna get along ?

You should think about these things

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
7:31 pm

Dang fruit,

That took a while

Jay

June 30th, 2012
7:31 pm

Jagermeister at three shots for $5 has led to many a problem, frog.

josef

June 30th, 2012
7:34 pm

Bruno? Bruno? Bruno? Is he my best buddy! Oy, that ought to come as a surprise to him, too! We fight like cats and dogs…

And, SOOTH, you don’t appreciate the inference? Why don’t you go crying to Daddy and see if he’ll ban me, too…he might…

josef

June 30th, 2012
7:34 pm

It’s nice we’re having weather.

Orange 12

June 30th, 2012
7:35 pm

“Jagermeister at three shots for $5″

Sounds like this establishment might go broke with this crew.

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
7:37 pm

Jay
yes, been there-done that..
got a three inch scar on
my head and absolutely
no idea how i was wounded.

josef

June 30th, 2012
7:39 pm

SOOTH

Are you going to threaten me, too?

Steve - USA ("None of the Above")

June 30th, 2012
7:41 pm

Jay…are you really Jay Bookman living in Atlanta or someone living in the Philippines working for JOURNATIC? :)

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
7:42 pm

josef
weather or not the climate
will change is a good topic
for discussion.

josef

June 30th, 2012
7:42 pm

Unmentionable just came through and said, “looks like later in the week we’re going to get a break from the heat.” I looked at the forecast, 93 and raining. You know we live in hell when that’s a BREAK!

josef

June 30th, 2012
7:44 pm

FROG

Speaking of climate change, were you here in the summer of 1980? YOW!

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
7:46 pm

“All one can do in this instance is just hope.”

Politics itself offers little hope, it’s up to the people.

josef

June 30th, 2012
7:47 pm

SOOOTH

BTW, why are you getting so upset over Cherokee insults? I’ve never used one with you, that I know of…only with Jay and the Du-k-sha-nee… hmmmm…..

Thomas

June 30th, 2012
7:48 pm

The LIBOR (growing} scandal sounds boring and removed but is getting very interesting.

The financial markets really are so corrupt.

Anyone want 100 shares of Facebook for a Starbucks gift card?

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
7:49 pm

“And, SOOTH, you don’t appreciate the inference? Why don’t you go crying to Daddy and see if he’ll ban me, too…he might…”

“SOOTH

Are you going to threaten me, too?”

josef, I have never gone running to anyone. I have never threatened anyone.

Jay, I’m glad you’re here to see this. That is if you’re still here. See, all of this is about a post that josef didn’t agree with.

He can’t refute the post, so he continues with personal attacks and insults.

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
7:49 pm

josef
actually i was in J’ville FL
driving local in a wore out
truck w/o a/c praying for
rain until it did then trying
to survive the traffic…

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
7:52 pm

josef: how many G&Ts have you had today? Had any water to drink?

Steve - USA ("None of the Above")

June 30th, 2012
7:52 pm

josef and Sooth,

Time to take a break and get away from the keyboard.

Orange 12

June 30th, 2012
7:52 pm

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
8:00 pm

Man, it’s okay to disagree but why do folks have to go after each other with such vengence. I have myself when attacked but even that’s wrong.

Orange 12

June 30th, 2012
8:00 pm

Money talks – Obamacare walks

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
8:00 pm

My huawei m835 with
opera mini next browser
will not show fox news
sites. anyone else have
trouble with fox news?

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
8:01 pm

Four more ears!

‘atsa good’un, frog.

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
8:02 pm

Tom Middleton

June 30th, 2012
8:03 pm

The ability of the self-serving right-wing to hate all those not just like them is almost unprecedented at this point, Jay, and I’m wondering how much further they’re willing to go to prove how crazy they are. They’ve never understood that their freedom is very important to PBO and the Dems, but then so is everyone else’s. And this is what separates the Dems from them, a point they haven’t understood for quite awhile now.

The Dems got through their extremism during the 60s and came out the other side an inclusive and stronger party; but it remains to be seen if the Republicans will make it through theirs. So I vote for Glenn Beck’s response, Jay, though the rapturous representative shrieking wildly in the street is definitely a very close second.

Maybe things could finally start getting better for Republicans (and America) if all members of their party pasted pictures of these two somewhere convenient to look at first thing in the morning and ask themselves: Is this what you want to become? I mean, maybe then the Republican ship could right itself, get back on course, and become once again a political party devoted to ALL of America, instead of their crazy right-wing that only loves itself!

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
8:04 pm

anyone else have
trouble with fox news?

talk about your hanging curves…

Tom Middleton

June 30th, 2012
8:05 pm

I don’t drink.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
8:06 pm

Three shots of Jager will get your head right.

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
8:07 pm

Man, it’s okay to disagree but why do folks have to go after each other with such vengence.

1. we’re talking, sometimes, about issues of life and death (or we’ve been led to believe as much)

2. people have that ol’ anonymity thing going for them

3. alcohol may be involved.

4. some people get their jollies annoying others

(bunch of reasons, I guess, is what I’m saying.)

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
8:09 pm

Interesting 46/46 split on Gallup, as reported by Jay upthread, on the SCOTUS decision. Same polling outfit has Obama’s approvals split at 47/47, too, today.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
8:09 pm

Tom, Glen Beck and Jay shrieking wildly in the street? Are you sure you meant to say that?

One and done

June 30th, 2012
8:10 pm

“I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
8:10 pm

josef: I’ll be happy to engage you at any time in an intelligent and polite discourse on the current events of the day.

However, if you resort to cheap shots and personal insults, I will attack you.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
8:12 pm

Andy on the other blog and now del play the civil discourse card.

Talk about change.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
8:15 pm

No frog, I don’t like shots. I like my bourbon on the rocks, to be savored more slowly.

The Scots sip it neat with just a splash of water, claims it opens up the flavor — they also claim that ice just seizes up the flavor.

Soda water is a major no-no.

josef

June 30th, 2012
8:18 pm

SOOTH

Two G&T’s…light ones…

Why in the world would I even WANT to attempt to engage you in dialogue. You’ve already made it abundantly clear to me that you are one of those who cloaks his anti Semitism behind the anti Zionist facade. All anybody has to do is review your posts (cut and paste) up to an including supporting the murderous regime of Assad in Syria to further that cause. I’m not sure you’re not a Hezbollah operative.

josef

June 30th, 2012
8:20 pm

STEVE

Just did. Watched my new Brit Com on PBS… :-)

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
8:20 pm

“Andy on the other blog and now del play the civil discourse card.”

“Talk about change”

Dip if you can quote where I attacked someone who first of all didn’t attack me, go for it. Otherwise you can take your candy azz posts and stick them where the sun doesn’t shine. I’m not a nice guy as much as I would like to be.

josef

June 30th, 2012
8:22 pm

BOURBON

Straight, sipping. No nothing.

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
8:23 pm

perhaps I should remind our conservative friends that Bush the elder didn’t lose his re-election bid because he raised taxes. (I’m sure dozens of GOPers stayed home, but that wasn’t it.)

and the GOP didn’t lose the House in 2006 because of deficit spending.

Americans aren’t as obsessed with remaking the republic into some kind of cut-rate libertarian paradise, as the GOP base is. And I really don’t think a whole lot of swing voters are going to be terribly moved by this “See! See? PPACA is a tax, Roberts said so” thingie.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
8:24 pm

I think the cons are showing their true colors because this President got elected. They don’t take losing well and never get over it.They have not changed or want to change. Their very existence is to stop change in the world but change is constant and you must adapt to change or you will not survive.

Tea party rhetoric will stop when the tea party loses in the election. So if you want civil discourse, purge the tea party candidates from office. It is not that complicated and their goal is another gop rubber stamp congress. If that happens, better prepare for a total collapse and the gangs take over.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
8:26 pm

Crown on the rocks.

stands for decibels

June 30th, 2012
8:26 pm

anyway, Mets v. Dogs on MLB network merits my full attention. Pleasant evening, all.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
8:28 pm

Vodka from the freezer.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
8:30 pm

del,

Calm down, all I said is you played the civil discourse card like Andy.

You are a con on a dem blog starting trouble dip.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
8:30 pm

getalife,

you might be better served by taking a break and signing back on tomorrow after a good nights sleep. Just sayin.

Adam

June 30th, 2012
8:31 pm

maybe Obama should next try to reform the Education system.

YES, yes he should. I don’t think anything like that can happen until after the 2014 elections though. Republicans will not be wiped out of the House until then, maybe, as long as Democrats don’t get complacent again.

But you can see it already, Republicans are playing their hand on education and knowledge as well. Texas Republicans oppose “critical thinking” by name. Bobby Jindal has cut off all state funding for Louisiana libraries, and has cut both health care and education every single year from the state budget. I am sure there are similar moves by Republicans in control in the states. This is a battle that isn’t over, but it is a war they cannot win.

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
8:32 pm

“You’ve already made it abundantly clear to me that you are one of those who cloaks his anti Semitism behind the anti Zionist facade. All anybody has to do is review your posts (cut and paste) up to an including supporting the murderous regime of Assad in Syria to further that cause.”

To date, no has proven that the Assad regime has murdered anyone. Those who were supposedly “murdered” were pro-Assad. Why were their hands bound and shot execution style? Does that sound like something the Syrian military would do?

To say that I am anti-Semitic and/or anti-Zionist is false. However, I do believe that the Israeli- and Jewish-led neo-cons are going to lead us into World War III.

Not only that, but Israel is nothing more than a criminal state from it’s beginning. They stole the land and murdered it’s inhabitants. It’s also the reason we will never have peace in the World.

We wouldn’t dream of apartheid or segregation here in the U.S., but it’s OK to corral the entire Palestinian population in the tiny enclave of Gaza.

josef

June 30th, 2012
8:32 pm

K’CHAK

“Vodka from the freezer.”

My Polish buds put the bottle in an empty milk jug with water, then freeze it…that way you can put it on the table and not have to crawl back and forth to the fridge… :-)

getalife

June 30th, 2012
8:32 pm

del,

Thank you for your concern kind sir but I am feeling fine.

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
8:33 pm

“Vodka from the freezer.”L

You too?

josef

June 30th, 2012
8:33 pm

Sooth

Jawohl!

ken

June 30th, 2012
8:33 pm

Obama “, I will not tax the middle class”. It’s a tax, tax, tax..

Adam

June 30th, 2012
8:34 pm

And I promise if it’s repealed the “stop crying” crowd. Will see a need to begin crying.

All of America will see a need to start crying if that happens. Because many of them will lose the health insurance they have or were going to get, and health care costs will start skyrocketing again.

Obamacare SAVES LIVES. Obama is a GD HERO for getting this thing through. The Democrats are heroes for getting this thing through. And the Supreme Court justices are heroes for upholding it. They have SAVED LIVES.

But mark my words, the only thing, THE ONLY THING you’ll be able to do if you manage to grab both houses of congress and the Presidency is repeal the “tax” part of the law. Democrats will filibuster your ass on anything else you try to do that isn’t budget related on this. Count on it.

But I’m not worried about that either, because you have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting the Presidency and the Senate this year.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
8:35 pm

Getalife,

Please. Why can’t libs acknowledge that Obama got a majority of the vote including a majority of the white vote ?

Since he got a majority of the white vote everyone who dislikes Obama cannot statistically be conservatives. Nor can they be racist.

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
8:35 pm

Like I said, no answer, just a cheap shot. To be expected.

St Simons - he-ne-ha-ha-ha

June 30th, 2012
8:36 pm

josef & I even with the tribal connection, are still not going to agree
i suspect, on the ACA. His family is clinicians, mine is admin. (and
a crazy shawnee on a mission to save the world, just get outta her
way, really, it’ll be easier on everyone)
but he’s cool, he’s fam, teaches me a lot about writing/language
already just by reading. A lot of you have.
In my only run-in with the banned poster, he was very pompous
and abusive, which is his own karma.

Man, its 110 deg, haven’t seen anything like this since ‘80 in da Atl
if i could slow down any more i would,
at least we have de island breeze mon

Adam

June 30th, 2012
8:36 pm

Thomas: Anyone want 100 shares of Facebook for a Starbucks gift card?

If you’re serious, yes.

Recon 0311 2533

June 30th, 2012
8:37 pm

Okay y’all my family wants to go see the fireworks. I’ve seen plenty before but it’s family time. Good evening and have a great weekend.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
8:37 pm

Mama,

Ask a lib.

Adam

June 30th, 2012
8:37 pm

ken: Obama “, I will not tax the middle class”. It’s a tax, tax, tax..

The individual mandate is a tax on those who don’t get health insurance even though they can afford it and their employer does not provide it. NOT on the middle class. Therefore, Obama never lied when he said it wasn’t a tax on the middle class.

BOOM!

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
8:38 pm

Wait a minute did I say that right ?

If he got a majority of the white vote then statistically 25% of the racist voted for Obama

bluecoat

June 30th, 2012
8:39 pm

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June 29, 2012 9:32 am Comments (0) Author: The American Dream Share this Article You can almost always count on the Supreme Court to do the wrong thing. In fact, just about every major decision by the U.S. Supreme Court over the last 40 years has been bad for America. Many were hoping that the Supreme Court would strike down Obamacare, but the truth is that we all should have known better than to expect them to get something right. So now America is headed for a complete and total disaster as Obamacare is fully implemented over the next several years. Obamacare is going to absolutely shred the infrastructure of our medical system, it is going to send health insurance premiums soaring, it is going to dramatically expand the size and the scope of government, it is going to fundamentally alter the relationships between doctors and their patients and it is one of the largest tax increases in U.S. history. Not only that, it is also going to add about a trillion dollars to our national debt over the next decade. So no, the Obamacare decision is not good news. Obamacare was one of the worst pieces of legislation in American history, and now we are stuck with it.

It was a 5-4 decision to uphold Obamacare, and the swing vote was Chief Justice John Roberts who was appointed by George W. Bush.

After the vote today, it is hard to have any faith in the U.S. Supreme Court. Many constitutional conservatives kept voting for Republicans in the hope that the direction of the Supreme Court would change, but it hasn’t.

Prior to the Obama administration, Republicans controlled the White House for 20 out of 28 years. If Republicans were going to fundamentally change the nature of the Supreme Court, that was their opportunity.

But it didn’t happen.

Instead, what we have is a Supreme Court that is dominated by judges that have very little respect for the U.S. Constitution. When I was in law school I got to study the Supreme Court pretty closely and I quickly realized that most of the time they simply do whatever they want to do and they make up whatever reasons they can to justify their decisions.

That sounds really bad, but that is the truth.

And thanks to the Supreme Court, we are stuck with Obamacare – at least for now.

The following are 15 reasons why the Obamacare decision is a mind blowing disaster for America….

#1 According to the U.S. Supreme Court, the federal government has the power to force you to buy private goods and services. Now that this door has been opened, what else will we be forced to buy in the future?

#2 Obamacare is another step away from individual liberty and another step toward a “nanny state” where the government dominates our lives from the cradle to the grave.

#3 The IRS is now going to be given the task of hunting down and penalizing millions of Americans that do not have any health insurance. In fact, the Obama administration has given the IRS 500 million extra dollars ”outside the normal appropriations process” to help them enforce the provisions of Obamacare that they are in charge of overseeing.

#4 Obamacare imposes more than 20 new taxes on the American people. You can find a comprehensive list of Obamacare taxes right here. If you love paying higher taxes, then you are going to absolutely love Obamacare once it is fully implemented.

#5 In an attempt to “control costs” and “promote efficiency”, Obamacare limits the treatment options that doctors and patients can consider. This is likely to result in a decrease in life expectancy in the United States.

#6 Obamacare is going to impose nightmarish paperwork burdens on doctors, hospitals and the rest of the healthcare system. This is going to significantly increase our healthcare costs as a nation.

#7 Obamacare is going to send health insurance premiums soaring. This is especially true for younger Americans.

#8 Many small businesses are going to be absolutely crushed by the provisions in Obamacare that require them to provide expensive health insurance coverage for their employees. This is going to make them even less competitive with companies in other countries where businesses are not required to provide healthcare for their workers. This is also going to make it even less attractive for businesses to hire new employees.

#9 Obamacare is going to make the emerging doctor shortage in America a lot worse. Surveys have found that we could potentially see hundreds of thousands of doctors leave the medical profession because of Obamacare.

#10 Obamacare has already forced the cancellation of dozens of doctor-owned hospitals.

#11 Obamacare is going to result in a much bigger federal government. In order to fully implement all of the provisions of Obamacare, hordes of new government bureaucrats will be required.

#12 Thanks to Obamacare, you are going to have to wait much longer to see a doctor. Just look at what happened once Romneycare was implemented in Massachusetts….

In fact, we have already seen the start of this process in Massachusetts, where Mitt Romney’s health care reforms were nearly identical to President Obama’s. Romney’s reforms increased the demand for health care but did nothing to expand the supply of physicians. In fact, by cracking down on insurance premiums, Massachusetts pushed insurers to reduce their payments to providers, making it less worthwhile for doctors to expand their practices. As a result, the average wait to get an appointment with a doctor grew from 33 days to over 55 days.

#13 Obamacare contains all kinds of insidious little provisions that most people don’t even know about. The following is one example from the Alliance Defense Fund….

“Did you know that with ObamaCare you will have to pay for life-saving drugs, but life-ending drugs are free. One hundred percent free. If this plan were really about health care wouldn’t it be the other way around?”

#14 As if the U.S. government was not facing enough of a crisis with entitlement spending, it is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls. You and I will be paying for all of this.

#15 The Congressional Budget Office estimates that Obamacare will add more than a trillion dollars to government spending over the next decade. Considering the fact that the U.S. government is already drowning in debt, how in the world can we afford this?

Adam

June 30th, 2012
8:40 pm

Mama Says: I think you mischaracterize liberals by assuming they always claim racism in response to criticism of the President. Plus, the whole idea that somehow one is immune to being called racist now is only going to hurt matters. We can’t have a real discussion if we pretend that racism suddenly ended on January 20, 2009.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
8:40 pm

Watch it Adam, if you get those shares then you will be considered a Big business 1% er

Adam

June 30th, 2012
8:41 pm

Mama Says: With 100 shares? Nah.

Facebook is not in my opinion a good long term investment. But 100 shares are certainly worth more than a Starbucks gift card.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
8:43 pm

Dang Adam we were talking to each other at the same time.

To expect racisim to go away after Obama’s election is a mistake but if you are honest you would have to admit that everything critical of Obama is greeted with the good ole your a racist, response

Tom Middleton

June 30th, 2012
8:43 pm

Adam

And it’s not the “biggest tax hike in history” as many conservatives are saying. Ronald Reagan still holds that record without a doubt.

josef

June 30th, 2012
8:45 pm

He ne ha…

Beads and blankets, I tell ya, beads and blankets! :-)

Garry Owen

June 30th, 2012
8:45 pm

Gee thanks! You just raised my taxes (a broken promise) and now force me to pay for an individuals health insurance that does not pay income tax. By the way – how many illegal aliens am I supporting under “Obama Care”/

ken

June 30th, 2012
8:46 pm

The country is sick and and will be on life support soon.

FruitNewt

June 30th, 2012
8:47 pm

John Roberts was a brave, intelligent, stand-up kind of guy for the Repubs until he was brave enough and intelligent enough to stand up to the Repubs.

josef

June 30th, 2012
8:47 pm

bluecoat

D*mn, you got issues! :-)

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
8:47 pm

Oh Tom, how are u doing ?

I read your post about all republicans want is things for themselves.

Interesting reach you put on that.

Let’s see if I / we say that we should not be taxed(by the way that’s the courts language not ours) to pay for something for someone else and liberals contend that we should then by the very nature of the arguments it is the libs that are insisting that things be there way.

You are the actionable party since you are doing the taking.

josef

June 30th, 2012
8:48 pm

GARY

“By the way – how many illegal aliens am I supporting under “Obama Care”/”

None. They’re specifically excluded.

Tom Middleton

June 30th, 2012
8:52 pm

Mama Says: “I read your post about all republicans want is things for themselves.”

Didn’t say that, Mama; read it again.

Disgusted

June 30th, 2012
8:54 pm

Anybody griping about the high temperatures in Atlanta should be in southern West Virginia right now. All the power and cable are out. Trees are down everywhere. There’s no gasoline to be had because the pumps won’t run without electricity. Even funerals are being postponed. My brother just called to say he may or may not make it the last 120 miles to his home because of the gas shortage.
And it was 97 degrees up there this afternoon, and air conditioners won’t run without electricity. I suggest we be grateful for what we have.

Don Abernethy

June 30th, 2012
8:59 pm

One thing is for sure. Obamacare ,which can only be defeated in November, has finally given new life to Republican voters. Obama is going to try to say it is not a tax but the Supreme Court says it is a tax. With the economy on the skids and unemployment high people will turn out to defeat a tax and Obama. Thank you Supreme Court.

Tom Middleton

June 30th, 2012
8:59 pm

Mama Says

You must have self-identified with the part about the crazy right wing. But crazy or not, I’m sure you’ve heard of the Constitution and majority rule? And isn’t Justice Roberts a conservative? See? Some of you are sane!

josef

June 30th, 2012
9:00 pm

DISGUSTED

Yep. Nice and cool inside and I ain’t going out to find out what it’s like out there either…

bman.

June 30th, 2012
9:04 pm

” I suggest we be grateful for what we have”

Around 3:30ish today I saw a 60’s something lady digging into a garbage can pulling out one can at a time and putting it into her bag. She looked like she was ready to fall over. The clerk at the store said she sleeps somewhere close by. He said she was homeless.

It can always be worse.

weetamoe

June 30th, 2012
9:04 pm

How about those profanity laced taunts from the DNC or those vile racist tweets (more than 2 dozen in the space of a few minutes) against Justice Thomas or my favorite– the boast form the White House about how Obamacare will help Abby, a 20 year old with a rare *congenial* disease. With an enemy list as long as Obama’s, I would say that congeniality is rare indeed at the Whitehouse.gov

F. Sinkwich

June 30th, 2012
9:05 pm

O’bozo faces a recession.

What to do?

1) Destroy the energy industry,

2) Enact debilitating regulations.

3) Pis$ away a trillion dollars on turtle tunnels, unions, and such.

4) Pass a socialist healthcare law that most Americans don’t want.

5) Increase taxes on anyone who’s managed to keep a job.

6) Refuse to enforce established immigration laws.

7) Suck up to foreign enemies.

8) Play golf.

9) Go to Hollywood and party with the beautiful people.

10) Blame Bush for everything bad.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
9:06 pm

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Just post the link, sport.

No sense in crapping the blog with pages copyrighted material

Geez….

getalife

June 30th, 2012
9:08 pm

First, we implemented a no lie zone on this blog.

It worked so well that now we will implement a no drama zone.

For now on, this blog will be well known as the no drama Obama blog.

josef

June 30th, 2012
9:08 pm

F Sinkwich

How can it be socialist if it demands that we all buy into the private sector?

Tom Middleton

June 30th, 2012
9:09 pm

bman

If you could get us a name and address for the store, we could send some money and set up an account for her. Can’t wait for the government to do everything, you know?

getalife

June 30th, 2012
9:12 pm

filky,

No drama please.

josef

June 30th, 2012
9:13 pm

TOM

You’re a mensch…

F. Sinkwich

June 30th, 2012
9:15 pm

“How can it be socialist if it demands that we all buy into the private sector?”

Dude, socialists “demand.”

They hate freedom.

Kinda like you.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
9:17 pm

blue is handing out free con talking points.

Socialist.

Tom Middleton

June 30th, 2012
9:17 pm

Josef
Not so much, Josef, but there are some things I just can’t walk away from. I’m sure you are the same.

josef

June 30th, 2012
9:17 pm

SINKWICH

Then the Insurance companies are socialists, right?

getalife

June 30th, 2012
9:18 pm

weak filky,

You can do better than that.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
9:20 pm

Witchie-poo’s head is exploding.

Watch your step in here, ilk everywhere.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
9:21 pm

Basically, the bill preserves the wealth of the health care sector.

cons are against free enterprise and capitalism.

kayaker 71

June 30th, 2012
9:24 pm

With Beck’s new 100M dollar contract, I am sure that he really doesn’t need to sell tea shirts on the side.

kayaker 71

June 30th, 2012
9:24 pm

Sorry…. tee shirts.

josef

June 30th, 2012
9:24 pm

TOM

I’m with you there. I’m a soft touch, no question about it. But I’m a lot like my Mama in that respect. Whenever she was questioned about always slipping a bill to the “panhandlers” and told “Jeanne-Marie, he’s probably got more than you do.” She always said, “well, I’ve got something he’s been stripped of and that’s pride.”

Here in the neighborhood we have “classes” of the homeless. Some are long time neighborhood fixtures who, yes, choose that. They’re NOT panhandlers. They keep an eye on the kids. Ever so often, one will come by and tell me (knowing I work at the school), that there’s a stranger in the neighborhood and we need to keep our eyes open. Since they know me to be a softie, they’ll come by and tell me that they’ve got a “special case” that needs help, and could I spare a few bucks. Community self-reliance.

josef

June 30th, 2012
9:26 pm

kayaker

Nyanh, tea shirts. Freudian slip. (sorry couldn’t resist!) :-)

Adam

June 30th, 2012
9:27 pm

Mama Says: if you are honest you would have to admit that everything critical of Obama is greeted with the good ole your a racist, response

Actually if YOU were honest, you would realize that could not possibly be true if any one response to a criticism of the President isn’t greeted with that response.

Adam

June 30th, 2012
9:29 pm

One thing is for sure. Obamacare ,which can only be defeated in November, has finally given new life to Republican voters.

HA! No it hasn’t. You guys ALWAYS go out and vote anyway. No matter how you feel about having a Mormon flip flopper for a candidate, you’re still going to go pull that lever for him. Obamacare Constitutional or not, you’re STILL going to go pull that lever for RawMoney. You guys are the ones who are slaves to your own party ideology, not the Democrats. The Republicans could advocate for second amendment remedies and you’d STILL go out and vote for them.

givememyfairshare

June 30th, 2012
9:30 pm

I think the most outrageous response is the white house still denying it’s a tax after the only way it was upheld is because it’s a tax

Adam

June 30th, 2012
9:31 pm

F Sinkwich: Dude, socialists “demand.”

They hate freedom.

Kinda like you.

And you’re STILL going to go out and vote for Romney, the guy who implemented the same socialist plan in his state. His even included abortions and a public option. But you’re STILL going to vote for him, because what matters to you is feeling and party, not policy, not facts.

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
9:31 pm

Adam
logic is uncalled for in
that conversation.

F. Sinkwich

June 30th, 2012
9:31 pm

“Then the Insurance companies are socialists, right?”

Nope.

You are.

Thanks for playing.

Adam

June 30th, 2012
9:32 pm

logic is uncalled for in
that conversation.

Ok then.

WE WIN, YOU LOSE. Obamacare is the law of the land so SUCK IT.

Better?

josef

June 30th, 2012
9:32 pm

ADAM

What’s being a Mormon got to do with it?

getalife

June 30th, 2012
9:33 pm

It is a penalty for not having insurance.

willard did a great job explaining it when he passed willardcare.

Watch his old videos if it is too hard for you to understand.

Do some research before you write something silly like it is a tax.

Adam

June 30th, 2012
9:34 pm

josef: For me? Nothing. But a lot of right wing Christians really don’t like Mormons. Like REALLY. I speak both from experience and polling data.

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
9:34 pm

Adam
works for me.

josef

June 30th, 2012
9:34 pm

SINKWICH

I’ve never said I wasn’t a socialitst…which is why I find it ridiculous that so many of your “ilk” go throwing the term around the way you do in reference to our current government and its policies…
thanks for playing…

josef

June 30th, 2012
9:35 pm

ADAM

Then don’t play their game.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
9:36 pm

Nope.

You are.

Witchie-poo is PeeWee Herman.

Who knew?

Hilarious.

Adam

June 30th, 2012
9:36 pm

“It is a tax” is a much weaker argument than “it is unconstitutional.” You folks escalated the argument too quickly, and now you want to try to reclaim it all. Sorry, but you got all the support for repeal you’re ever going to get when you were convincing people it was unconstitutional. Now that they know it’s not, and they know it’s a tax, you’re not going to see a massive jump in numbers for repeal. Especially once all those ads that come out explaining what the law actually does come out, as well as all those people who get a rebate check this year with “The Affordable Care Act” written into the letter with the enclosed check.

Adam

June 30th, 2012
9:38 pm

josef: I say stuff like that with full knowledge that it doesn’t matter what i say on the subject. Bottom line is, they’re gonna vote Romney. He could be an atheist, or a pagan. They’d STILL vote for him because he got the nomination and has an R after his name. We saw in 2010 what Democrats do when they feel discouraged. And we see in every election that Republican voters are reliable as a swiss clock.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
9:38 pm

josef,

Well, the Christians have not said good things about the Mormons so it is fair game.

bman.

June 30th, 2012
9:41 pm

This healthcare thing isn’t going to go away easy, is it? It doesn’t matter. If the economy is still in the toilet around election time, Obama will have a very tough time.

I think the economy is only going to get worse.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
9:44 pm

Then don’t play their game.

“Many a tear has to fall
But it’s all in the game”

–Thomas Jefferson

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
9:48 pm

“Saturday’s high hit 106, making it the hottest day ever in the city of Atlanta. The new mark breaks the previous record of 105, last seen in July 1980.”

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/heat-wave-sets-an-1467876.html

P.S. I still think it was “HOTTER” when Sherman was pouring artillery into the city !!!

josef

June 30th, 2012
9:49 pm

ADAM, GETALIFE

I just don’t agree with stooping to their level.

Now, taking on the flip-flopping so many have done? That to me is fair game. The rah-rah the fundamentalists went on for the how-many-times-married, made-b*stards-of-his-own-kids papist? THAT was hilarious…

I just think that when we call them out, we do it without opening ourselves up to the same charge…

I know, I know, picky-picky :-)

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
9:51 pm

bman
what are you considering
‘the economy’ ?

getalife

June 30th, 2012
9:51 pm

bman,

I disagree.

After the EU bailout their banks,we are back to business as usual until the next collapse.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 30th, 2012
9:53 pm

getalife

June 30th, 2012
9:55 pm

josef,

You have to stoop to their level to win the election.

Then you govern for all the people instead of just the wealthy to prove you are better than them.

Divide and conquer.

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
9:58 pm

0311
They are returning from the
past for a rest break and
will soon return to WWII.

Adam

June 30th, 2012
9:58 pm

josef: Romney’s new strategy seems to be just say he’ll do everything Obama has done already and propose everything Obama has proposed, while pretending that Obama hasn’t done or proposed any of that. Personally I think he’s better off flip flopping. If he keeps talking about doing things for people and giving them a “fair shot” he’s more likely to lose Republican votes.

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
9:59 pm

getalife
you are a politician!

Tom Middleton

June 30th, 2012
10:02 pm

Josef

You’re a good man, Josef. There have always been the schoolyard lurkers, at least there were when I was a kid, but you’d be surprised that the kids knew better than the adults who they were and what to do about them.

But in this day and age, there’s that other class that some of us are only a paycheck or two away from becoming one of ourselves. And a woman? I still can’t shake that image from my head, and I don’t even know who or where she is.

P.S. I give to the Salvation Army and UNICEF. It’s not a lot but it’s something. I think an answer is not a few people doing a lot, but a lot of people doing what little bit they can, at least that’s what I keep telling myself.

bman.

June 30th, 2012
10:02 pm

Frog .. .. unemployment is the big one. If it stays at 8 or over%.

Jobless claims (new & exisiting) Retail numbers. Consumer and wholesale prices etc…

what do you consider “the economy” ?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
10:04 pm

If he keeps talking about doing things for people and giving them a “fair shot” he’s more likely to lose Republican votes.

Lose Republican votes?

Only if they stay at home on election day.

Who else would they vote for?

That why they’re hoping that this whole “awoke a sleeping giant” meme grows legs.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

June 30th, 2012
10:11 pm

I think the most outrageous response is the white house still denying it’s a tax after the only way it was upheld is because it’s a tax

First a “tax” is something that everyone has to pay. Like, a TAX on all clothing. Everyone buys clothes, sooner or later, so everyone pays a tax.

Secondly what Obamacar imposes is a PENALTY. A penalty by definition is:

1. a punishment imposed or incurred for a violation of law or rule.

2. a loss, forfeiture, suffering, or the like, to which one subjects oneself by nonfulfillment of some obligation.

3. something that is forfeited, as a sum of money.

4. consequence or disadvantage attached to any action, condition, etc.

It’s best to actually KNOW what you’re talking about before you start “talking”. Just saying………

getalife

June 30th, 2012
10:11 pm

frog,

I have thick skin and would not mind the corporate media attacking me but I would probably be like Grayson.

The American people can’t handle my truth.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

June 30th, 2012
10:12 pm

Oh and the PENALTY is for the people who don’t have insurance. Those that DO have insurance do not incur a PENALTY.

That’s the difference between a PENALTY and a TAX.

josef

June 30th, 2012
10:12 pm

TOM

I agree with you entirely on that everybody doing a little…you know in my faith we have this thing about angels, and you never know when you meet one and you never know when you are one…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
10:13 pm

It’s best to actually KNOW what you’re talking about before you start “talking”.

When has that ever stopped them before?

Are you new here?

getalife

June 30th, 2012
10:14 pm

I do have a new idea for a new party.

Take all the ideas that have been tried in governments in the world and propose the ones that actually worked to help the the people. No agenda, no bribes or lobbyists, just ideas that work.

Call it , the works party.

Tom Middleton

June 30th, 2012
10:15 pm

Josef\

God knows, and that’s all that matters…

Tom Middleton

June 30th, 2012
10:19 pm

getalife

You mean like Keynesian economics? God, let’s hope so! :)

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
10:19 pm

bman
the things you stated plus
wall street. prior to housing
collapse unemployment
was around 5%. Dow
12-15000 which dropped
but has recovered. gas
was major consumer price
problem and seems under
control. 8% unemployment
is a fact we will have to
live with for the near future.
ACA eases the pain with
medicaid. thus the economy
is good for some fair for
others. if everything stays
the same or gets a little
better the prez will win.
a drastic downward shift
could change this but
that’s unlikely.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
10:21 pm

Sorry, DDR.

After re-reading my post at 10:13, I realize that came out with a harshness that I didn’t intend.

My bad.

roldawg70

June 30th, 2012
10:22 pm

not having read all the posts
but les miserables was set around the time of 1848 paris uprising. and can i please carry the red flag

josef

June 30th, 2012
10:22 pm

DDR

You checked out last p.m. before I got the chance to say howdy. So, howdy!

getalife

June 30th, 2012
10:22 pm

Take Singapore for instance, they tried to pay pols millions to stop the corruption.

Did it work would be my first question.

If it did, propose it.

barking frog

June 30th, 2012
10:23 pm

getalife
good. i have certainly wasted
enough time on Republican
and Democratic politics.

bman.

June 30th, 2012
10:31 pm

Frog .. .. I understand what you’re saying, but I disagree that there would have to be a “drastic” downward shift in the economy for Obama to lose. For Obama to win, I think we will need an uptick on the economic numbers.

Everything staying the same = no progress.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
10:31 pm

frog,

I think I might be missing some information on billionaires united since it seems okay with the people and most of both parties. It does not make any sense to be partisan after that in my opinion. Both are fighting for unlimited bribes and where is all that money going. Are they buying votes now? Why does it cost a billion to run for President? What is the margin of return on those bribes? How many scandals will have to occur before they end it? Questions nobody ever asks.

getalife

June 30th, 2012
10:37 pm

Another fact I found recently is corporations lied about the trillion they said they are sitting on.

It is around 500 billion and it is cash added to cover losses.

Oscar

June 30th, 2012
10:39 pm

At the end of the day it does not matter whether it’s a tax or a penalty or why each Justice voted for or against it, or why the President backed it or what he thinks it is, or why congress voted for it and what they think it is.
Only thing that matters it the Congress passed it, the President signed it and the Court upheld it.

Purists and law professors can argue the details and define the reasons and the philosophy, but that’s neither here nor there.

At the end of the day, the Affordable Care Act if the law of the land.

josef

June 30th, 2012
10:42 pm

OSCAR

“At the end of the day, the Affordable Care Act if the law of the land.”

Yep, Like it, lump it, love it, or leave it. Don’t matter. That’s our system and that’s the way it works/

getalife

June 30th, 2012
10:44 pm

They can end it with a gop rubber stamp congress and gop President.

It happened before and can happen again.

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
10:50 pm

“The ability of the self-serving right-wing to hate all those not just like them ”

Tom that was your statement.

Last I checked self serving means doing things that only help them.

That’s what you said about republicans

Mama Says

June 30th, 2012
10:52 pm

Josef, getalife,

I have watched an entire movie and you guys re still here.

I must have missed a good debate

marko

June 30th, 2012
11:03 pm

America’s civil war cost hundreds of thousands of lives and billions of dollars. We’ve romanticized the war, and the heroic sacrifice of the lost,for so long that we tend to forget that it could have easily been averted by cooler heads. Did freedom really die just because we freed the slaves, allowed women to vote, or accepted gays into the military?

As a little boy, growing up in the south, I was taught that irreparable harm would befall our beloved republic were colored people allowed to drink from our water fountains, or pee in our toilets. I swear to god, I can’t remember a single time in my life when conservatives weren’t screaming the sky is falling, the sky is falling about something or another. A lifetimes experience leads me to believe that our great nation will survive Romney/Obamma care, and many years from now conservatives will be wildly indignant about something else.

josef

June 30th, 2012
11:04 pm

MAMA

Yep. Been bouncing back and forth between here and Kyle’s myself. Unmetnionable’s taken over the tv room for one of his sci-fi flicks…I’ve been told to go spend some time with “that pack of social malcontents.” :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 30th, 2012
11:07 pm

I have watched an entire movie…

I have plowed 55,000 hectares, sloped the hogs, fed the chickens, rounded up 100,000 head of cattle and walked 50 miles to and from the store, bare foot in the snow, uphill both ways in that same amount of time.

What a slacker you are.

George Watson

June 30th, 2012
11:15 pm

There is little doubt why we are in the mess we’re in with the rhetoric of such demagogues. We might want to consider taking them up on the revolution, putting them down, again, finish the Civil War, and get back to the buisiness of nation building instead of corporation building. The tragedy is always that good men die to convice stupid ones of what’s right. Whatever happened to their favorite phrase, ‘What would Jesus do?’ I guess they didn’t like the answer and found someone who would give them another one.

fair and balanced

June 30th, 2012
11:23 pm

My favorite “over the top” is Michael Reagan who claimed SCOTUS upheld Obama’s socialized insurance palan. His father, Saint Ronnie passed the only pure socialized medical plan -EMTALA. That is the unfunded mandate that hospitals provide free care to anyone who enters the emergency room and let others pick up the expense. Single payor mandate is just the opposite approach – all pay their share or get public benefits to pay.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

June 30th, 2012
11:34 pm

After re-reading my post at 10:13, I realize that came out with a harshness that I didn’t intend.

Kam – I didn’t take it as harshness……..more like FRUSTRATION. Dig? :)

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

June 30th, 2012
11:39 pm

hi josef!!

I’ve been told to go spend some time with “that pack of social malcontents

WOW! Un-M is getting feisty in his old age!! I wonder how he feels about the pink feather boa?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

June 30th, 2012
11:41 pm

George: Whatever happened to their favorite phrase, ‘What would Jesus do?’ I guess they didn’t like the answer and found someone who would give them another one

Debbie likey George! Big brains that work on that boy!

Josef

June 30th, 2012
11:41 pm

DDR

He says you can have it….just so long as you take what goes with it… :-)

Soothsayer

June 30th, 2012
11:47 pm

Gosh! It’s too bad Scout’s not here, I’ve got a message for him I know he’ll want to hear.

Tom Middleton

July 1st, 2012
12:53 am

Mama Says: “That’s what you said about republicans.”

That’s right-wing Republicans, Mama, not ALL Republicans. Next time I’ll use a chalk board with big lines and arrows, OK? I mean, I know it’s a tad subtle but still… :)

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July 1st, 2012
1:11 am

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1%

July 1st, 2012
1:47 am

Mr. Bookman…Mr. Bookman
I hope you can get past the human megaphone…I hope you can get past the human megaphone…but what I don’t think you understand is our debt…but what I don’t think you understand is our debt…How much is jar of peanut butter as opposed to last year…How much is jar of peanut butter as opposed to last year…annoying, isn’t it…annoying, isn’t it…

The Thin Guy

July 1st, 2012
2:22 am

Enjoy standing in line at the Post Office? Enjoy standing in line at the DMV? If so, you’ll love Marxist Medicine. The number of health care providers will go down as careers in medicine become as lucrative tattoo parlors for the blind, the numbers of patients now includes everyone who can’t afford to go to Switzerland, and consequently health care will be rationed. The quality of healthcare will nose dive and the cost will soar for most of us. You’ll have to apply to a Death Panel to get an appointment to have to your teeth cleaned and wait for years. But, of course, there are exceptions. Members of congress are excluded and friends of the regime have their waivers. The Amish are exempt because they are an important constituency for Chuckie Schumer in New York

http://cnsnews.com/blog/celia-bigelow/if-amish-are-exempt-obamacare-tax-why-isnt-my-religion

Marxist Medicine will destroy our healthcare system, what’s left of our economy, and is, therefore, a victory for Bookman and his midtown moonbats. Unfortunately it’s so cold in my house I’ve caught an AC cold. At least I can see a doctor before Marxist Medicine kicks in. As Long John Silver said in Treasure Island: Them that dies will be the lucky ones.

Z

July 1st, 2012
3:04 am

I mean really, do the rational people in this country want these fanatic people that think like this in charge of the greatest nation on Earth. I think not. Even if you are republican surely you can see the destructive extremist thinking that is going on in parts of the your party. The majority of the Republican Politicians have done nothing to squash this extremist thinking, instead they seem to promote the extremism. How scary is this for our country. It’s not about winning or losing, we as a Nation are one, not separate. We can’t let this extremism continue. We will parish as a Nation if rational people don’t get a handle on the extremism that is going on in our country and political system.
Vote like your life depended on it, because it very well might.

Middle of the Road

July 1st, 2012
3:54 am

I’m too busy being scared out of my wits to laugh at these. I desperately try to be middle of the road in politics but moments like these make me want to reconsider. Sigh. You know, it doesn’t have to be this way.

nelson howard

July 1st, 2012
6:03 am

I take care of myself, feel good, exercise, eat right, every day is grand. i have been fortunate, no going to the Dr. and having his receptionest say” the Dr. will talk to you for 15 minutes and that will be $200.00 and no we do not take medicare”. No scheduling 3 months in advance, no reading signs, “the Dr. is not taking any more patients.” No being treated like a rotten sack of potatoes. I feel good.
Now, Obama Care, will any of the above change? I say no. Dr.s are Dr.s, they are at the top of the food chain and they are well aware of it. They are an arrogant community that serves themselves first.

Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!

July 1st, 2012
6:46 am

We were at Rooms – To – Go yesterday and saw they had a run on fainting couches…now I see why. My Goodness, what a negative reaction to a good program. The “Right” (I put that in quotes because they are NOT right…as in correct :) ), sure are sore losers… :lol:

From the Center

July 1st, 2012
6:53 am

Z

July 1st, 2012
3:04 am

Z, both parties have their extremes that should be brought under control. Why do you just single out the Republicans?

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
7:09 am

Dang Normal,the sky is falling and all you can do is make jokes about it? :smile:

Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!

July 1st, 2012
7:33 am

Scooter,
You know me…The worse it is the more I laugh…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGz3QJQaHtM&feature=related

Always remember the adage…no matter what, keep smiling…it worries people… ;)

Atlantan

July 1st, 2012
7:43 am

I’m still trying understand why progs always run into the open arms of dictatorial control. As long as they can abort at will and have gay marriage they don’t care anything else about freedom or liberty. A mentally deranged bunch…

Sparta_Bubba

July 1st, 2012
7:46 am

I’d like to go out and cancel the insurance on my three vehicles, but NOOOO the government for years has been forcing me to buy insurance for them. Strange I never heard one moan or one whimper about the government forcing me to buy insurance on them. I also never heard anyone scream and holler about RomneyCare forcing folks in Massachusetts to buy insurance. Do you think maybe this big to do about being forced to buy insurance is really about something else?

carlosgvv

July 1st, 2012
7:57 am

Soothsayer – 6:33

Yes, by golly, that Assad is a real saint.

Eric

July 1st, 2012
8:06 am

I’m a Democrat, but I say repeal this law. Go GOP!

stands for decibels

July 1st, 2012
8:12 am

Mornin’. Gotta say this…

Sooth, your anti-Israel/Israeli bit @ 8.32 is where you and I completely part company and where, sadly, I can’t fault others for considering you anti-Semitic, although I try to avoid using labels quite so freely.

You really need to view history through a different filter, and recognize that for all its flaws and current excesses, Israel (and its supporters here, who run the spectrum from dovish to hawkish, of course) is as legitimate a player in that region as any of its neighbors and should be regarded as such.

I won’t sugar coat their excesses, and I’ll shrug off the stupid charges that I’m somehow an anti-Semite, myself, for publicly criticizing them. (ditto when the usual dopes lob those same charges at Jay, which happens virtually EVERY time Jay posts about the region’s troubles.)

But Sooth, your choice to apply different rules of engagement with this particular country seems irrational and, frankly, hateful. IMHO, it’s a blind spot of yours that needs some serious work.

Hmmmmmmmm

July 1st, 2012
8:27 am

@Sparta_Bubba

Your name says it all….. Bubba… You must be a complete MORON!

AU Liberal in ATL

July 1st, 2012
8:30 am

If any of those morons were right about what they so obviously believe, they’d all be locked up by now. I try so hard, but it’s not easy to be tolerant when you’re surrounded by stupidity and hypocrisy. I vote for number 1. If Justice Roberts were really a coward he’d be afraid of the Tea-publicans.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
8:47 am

Enjoy standing in line at the Post Office? Enjoy standing in line at the DMV?

Last week when I went to the post office, only one person ahead of me.

In May when I got my new (VERY UGLY!) tag, I held the door open for a nice lady to exit.

She was the only other person there to have business with the DMV.

Yes, I too have had occasion to wait patiently (or not) at both of these fine institutions, but lets not make it so that every visit to every govt. service place is fraught with time wasting delays, okay punkin’?

O'Really

July 1st, 2012
9:26 am

Which is my favorite? Hard to pick, but I think C and D need to be mindful of the following from the US Code:

18 USC § 2385 – ADVOCATING OVERTHROW OF GOVERNMENT
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

Lord Help Us

July 1st, 2012
9:28 am

Jay, I am at a loss to pick one of these choices. Each is ’special.’

I would like to say thank you to so many of the cons that have provided a smorgasbord of priceless entertainment over the past several days.

The apocalyptic drama queens, haters, dittoheads, etc. are a hoot…

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
9:28 am

Thanks for the song Normal! Was that the year you were born? :grin:

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
9:35 am

Yes, I too have had occasion to wait patiently (or not) at both of these fine institutions, but lets not make it so that every visit to every govt. service place is fraught with time wasting delays, okay punkin’?

I’m with you on this one Kam.Sometimes all I have to do is go to the mail box.Of course I have to walk barefooted on the hot pavement 5 miles and up hill both ways to get to it. :lol:

godless heathen

July 1st, 2012
9:36 am

My selection for most “over-the-top response” would be a hard decision. getalife had so many on Thursday that I don’t think I could pick just one.

SBinf

July 1st, 2012
9:37 am

Jean Schmidt 100%. Oh my goodness, that has got to go down as one of the biggest political fails of this century.

RB from Gwinnett

July 1st, 2012
9:38 am

Sparta, you can cancel your car insurance when you sell your vehicles and nobody made you buy them in the first place. That point has been made millions of times and if you still don’t get it, you should really stay out of the discussion because you’re just not smart enough to participate in any meaningful way.

Just so you know, there are millions of people in NYC, Chicago, Boston, etc who do not have car insurance and are not required to. They are all now required to buy health insurance whether they want to or not.

Thomas

July 1st, 2012
9:40 am

Sorry Kam- had to laugh at that one. Don’t you live in a “little Hamlet” in North Carolina?

Anyway- you are a good man.

Going to sit in a baby pool with a case of budweiser and shoot the neighborhood deer while playing Lynard Skynard while my Chevy duramax diesel gets warshed while my ribs are smokin’ while my…..

damn hot- hydrate I still think it is the Chinese controlling the weather but have to much on the aforementioned agenda to figure out

godless heathen

July 1st, 2012
9:46 am

I’d like to go out and cancel the insurance on my three vehicles, but NOOOO the government for years has been forcing me to buy insurance for them. Strange I never heard one moan or one whimper about the government forcing me to buy insurance on them.

If health insurance were like auto insurance:

I would get a discount for good driving (behavior)

If I went to the Dr. and made a claim about every sniffle or hang-nail, my insurance would be cancelled or go up.

If I insured a 10 year old clunker, I wouldn’t pay the same rate as someone pays for a new Mercedes.

I’d have of choice of limits of insurance I want.

I wouldn’t pay to insure a convertible top, if I didn’t have a convertible top.

I could change jobs and keep the same insurance.

I could shop on the open market for insurance that fits my needs.

If I didn’t own a car, I wouldn’t have to buy insurance.

Except for all that, health insurance is just like auto insurance.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
9:49 am

Of course I have to walk barefooted on the hot pavement 5 miles and up hill both ways to get to it.

Scootter :lol:

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Thomas

I am a part time resident of both The ATL (Decatur to be more precise) and this small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns but my tags are registered in Ga. I got my tags this year at the satellite office in S. DeKalb mall, but I usually go to the main office on Memorial Drive and more often than not, it’s in and out in under 5 minutes.

godless heathen

July 1st, 2012
9:51 am

She was the only other person there to have business with the DMV.

Sh*t, I read on here the other day that the DMV was shuttering offices and cutting back on hours so people couldn’t get the picture ID needed to vote.

BADA BING

July 1st, 2012
9:51 am

The Oprah show is gone, where is Tom Cruise going to jump up and down on the couch before his next marriage?

Thomas

July 1st, 2012
9:55 am

I got my tags this year at the satellite office in S. DeKalb mall, but I usually go to the main office on Memorial Drive and more often than not, it’s in and out in under 5 minutes.

I have heard that- not bad in Alfedo (pet name for Alpharetta) as well

We really need Bookman to put in a skype version- brings this thing to a whole new level

Proud to be me

July 1st, 2012
10:01 am

All you pro Obamacare people be reminded that there isn’t any government ran program that hasn’t ended up with enormous fraud, operating in the red, and includes people who really don’t need it. It hasn’t even bee fully implemented and it is already costing more than what we were told it would cost. Now they are talking about “the people who don’t have insurance who don’t want insurance having to get insurance” . . which is what I tried to tell the hard headed liberals I know to begin with . . were most of the uninsured to begin with! You know the ones . . . they would rather pay to have their nails done and hair done than to pay for insurance premiums. Who really cares if they have insurance. Sure they go to the ER when some minute happens to them but hey let them wait for hours there! They deserve to have to wait for hours to get medical care. And, yes we all pay for it in the end (the hospitals, the taxpayers, etc.) but why make it easy for them by “giving” them a free ride paid by the taxpayers. And, whether they have insurance or not, they will still go to the ER because have to wait several hours in the ER won’t be anything like have to wait for days to see a doc (because that’s what is going to happen with all these free loaders now being able to go see the doc . . they are going to cause all of us to have to wait even longer to get in to see our docs. Thank you . . . all you liberals who want “fairness” — beware of what you ask for!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 1st, 2012
10:22 am

Oh lordy, them govt ran programs is all evil I tell ya…… just keep your hands off my medicare. :lol:

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
10:22 am

All you anti-government people be reminded that there isn’t any “free market health insurance run program that hasn’t ended up with enormous fraud, operating in the red, and” denying humane and proper coverage, thereby killing them, for people who really needed help.

The worst health insurance program in the world and all that you neocons wanna do is tweak around the edges of it.

Scrap the f&cking thing, throw those crooks who run it out into the street and replace it.

SINGLE PAYER NOW.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
10:25 am

Thank you . . . all you liberals who want “fairness”…

Your welcome.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
10:26 am

Oops shoulda been “You’re welcome”

St Simons - he-ne-ha-ha-ha

July 1st, 2012
10:36 am

just a word to the misinformed about meddycare fraud. It is NOT
the govt agency that commits fraud, its that glorious, unregulated
freeee enterprise, let-the-market-decide, magic for-profit scum
that attempts to fraud you the taxpayer. With the Republicans
continued attempts to make govt dysfunctional, the Republicans
are making this more & more possible for their supply side jaysus
friends by crippling said govt with cuts. Thanks again Republicans.
But thay haven’t stopped or even slowed down mrsstsimons.
The dangerous shawnee is undefeated against the freeee mahket
swindlers. Utterly undefeated. Really, just get out of her way.
She’s on a mission. Now les go surfin

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

July 1st, 2012
10:39 am

Mary Elizabeth

July 1st, 2012
10:44 am

The Real Winners” (of ObamaCare), Paul Krugman, The New York Times, June 28, 2012:

“So the Supreme Court — defying many expectations — upheld the Affordable Care Act, a k a Obamacare. There will, no doubt, be many headlines declaring this a big victory for President Obama, which it is. But the real winners are ordinary Americans — people like you.

How many people are we talking about? You might say 30 million, the number of additional people the Congressional Budget Office says will have health insurance thanks to Obamacare. But that vastly understates the true number of winners because millions of other Americans — including many who oppose the act — would have been at risk of being one of those 30 million.

So add in every American who currently works for a company that offers good health insurance but is at risk of losing that job (and who isn’t in this world of outsourcing and private equity buyouts?); every American who would have found health insurance unaffordable but will now receive crucial financial help; every American with a pre-existing condition who would have been flatly denied coverage in many states.

In short, unless you belong to that tiny class of wealthy Americans who are insulated and isolated from the realities of most people’s lives, the winners from that Supreme Court decision are your friends, your relatives, the people you work with — and, very likely, you. For almost all of us stand to benefit from making America a kinder and more decent society.

But what about the cost? Put it this way: the budget office’s estimate of the cost over the next decade of Obamacare’s ‘coverage provisions’ — basically, the subsidies needed to make insurance affordable for all — is about only a third of the cost of the tax cuts, overwhelmingly favoring the wealthy, that Mitt Romney is proposing over the same period. True, Mr. Romney says that he would offset that cost, but he has failed to provide any plausible explanation of how he’d do that. The Affordable Care Act, by contrast, is fully paid for, with an explicit combination of tax increases and spending cuts elsewhere.

So the law that the Supreme Court upheld is an act of human decency that is also fiscally responsible. It’s not perfect, by a long shot — it is, after all, originally a Republican plan, devised long ago as a way to forestall the obvious alternative of extending Medicare to cover everyone. As a result, it’s an awkward hybrid of public and private insurance that isn’t the way anyone would have designed a system from scratch. And there will be a long struggle to make it better, just as there was for Social Security. (Bring back the public option!) But it’s still a big step toward a better — and by that I mean morally better — society.

Which brings us to the nature of the people who tried to kill health reform — and who will, of course, continue their efforts despite this unexpected defeat.

At one level, the most striking thing about the campaign against reform was its dishonesty. Remember ‘death panels’? Remember how reform’s opponents would, in the same breath, accuse Mr. Obama of promoting big government and denounce him for cutting Medicare? Politics ain’t beanbag, but, even in these partisan times, the unscrupulous nature of the campaign against reform was exceptional. And, rest assured, all the old lies and probably a bunch of new ones will be rolled out again in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision. Let’s hope the Democrats are ready.

But what was and is really striking about the anti-reformers is their cruelty. It would be one thing if, at any point, they had offered any hint of an alternative proposal to help Americans with pre-existing conditions, Americans who simply can’t afford expensive individual insurance, Americans who lose coverage along with their jobs. But it has long been obvious that the opposition’s goal is simply to kill reform, never mind the human consequences. We should all be thankful that, for the moment at least, that effort has failed.

Let me add a final word on the Supreme Court.

Before the arguments began, the overwhelming consensus among legal experts who aren’t hard-core conservatives — and even among some who are — was that Obamacare was clearly constitutional. And, in the end, thanks to Chief Justice John Roberts Jr., the court upheld that view. But four justices dissented, and did so in extreme terms, proclaiming not just the much-disputed individual mandate but the whole act unconstitutional. Given prevailing legal opinion, it’s hard to see that position as anything but naked partisanship.

The point is that this isn’t over — not on health care, not on the broader shape of American society. The cruelty and ruthlessness that made this court decision such a nail-biter aren’t going away.

But, for now, let’s celebrate. This was a big day, a victory for due process, decency and the American people.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/opinion/the-real-winners.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

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July 1st, 2012
10:46 am

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http://nvrdc.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/hmo-v-medicare.jpg

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godless heathen

July 1st, 2012
10:46 am

Except for all that, health insurance is just like auto insurance.

Forgot one. If my employer paid for my auto insurance, he could take it off his taxes.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
10:49 am

If my employer paid for my auto insurance, he could take it off his taxes.

If I was 8ft. tall, I’d have an NBA contract.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
10:51 am

godless

I concur with your analysis between auto insurance and medical insurance. I seriously doubt that will stop anybody from trying to make that analogy though. Just as a household budget isn’t the same as the government budget, people still use that analogy. Sometimes, instead of using an analogy, people should just stick with the facts of what they’re talking about instead of trying to make comparisons.

Quagmire

July 1st, 2012
10:53 am

GOP Supporters, instead of trying to prove President Obama was not fully Vetted(birthers), you missed the part when he Taught Constitutional Law.

Like LeBron said “Bout Damn Time”

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
11:00 am

Even that nasty little prune that owns the Unfairly Unbalanced Republican News Network knows that Flip is a dead man walking…

(CNN) – Rupert Murdoch offered presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney some unsolicited advice on Twitter Sunday: Lose your friends and hire professionals.

“Met Romney last week,” the 81-year-old chairman of News Corp. wrote. “Tough O Chicago pros will be hard to beat unless he drops old friends from team and hires some real pros. Doubtful.”

Using a bunch of nauseating GWB castoffs and being the poster boy for integrity-free sellouts is no way to run a campaign, Flip…

Lord Help Us

July 1st, 2012
11:05 am

‘Using a bunch of nauseating GWB castoffs and being the poster boy for integrity-free sellouts is no way to run a campaign, Flip…’

I think he knows that the 50% + 1 approach is his only chance…

Midori

July 1st, 2012
11:12 am

I read that Justice Roberts REALLY, REALLY put fat Tony Scalia in check by upholding the law.

And that’s a good thing.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
11:13 am

cons are still crying and losing it over judge roberts.

They eat their own.

Anyhoo, fires in the west, floods in Florida and the power is out in DC from a major storm.

Extreme weather is the new aq.

Be scared, very, very scared of Mother nature.

They should find a new planet quick to save the cons precious billionaires.

fair and balanced

July 1st, 2012
11:13 am

I like the lie the Repubtards are telling that Obamacare increases middle class taxes.
It doesn’t. However it does increase by 3.8% capital gains tax on people like
willard living off of capital gains taxes at an outrageous 15% while us middle class peons pay 25% or more. Poor Willard and his corporate buds will have to dip into their offshore accounts to help granny get some of those exciting free Medicare drugs frat boy George gave her and the other old geezers to get reelected.

bman.

July 1st, 2012
11:16 am

in which other country does the new healthcare law resemble the most?

Thomas

July 1st, 2012
11:17 am

The far left think about a lot of “good things” and want others to spend the money to make it a reality.

The far right thinks about a lot of “bad things” and counts on the military to bomb the hell out of those things.

The non extremist have to pay financially and emotionally for the extremist daily.

truth2power

July 1st, 2012
11:17 am

1 in 3 Americans can not afford to see a dentist. Compassionate conservatism is a contradiction.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
11:19 am

Libs think Obamacare is like being given the keys to a brand new Ferrari. When it comes time to pay for it they will see it as an old JEEP with images of Obama barely disernable between the layers of rust.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
11:22 am

Yeah, orange we are celebrating by going out and get really, really sick.

Maggie"s Daughter

July 1st, 2012
11:24 am

The Supremes also said slavery was constitutional.
Touche Jay.
Black robes mean nothing on what’s moral and just.

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
11:25 am

LHU, I do not see any possible way for the Socialist RINO to get the electoral college votes that he needs.

And after he gets drubbed in the three upcoming debates with Barry, he is perfectly poised to become the next John McCain. (Who at least had some moral courage on his curriculum vitae.)

And Orange thinks he can misrepresent millions of people in the most silly fashion and no one will notice.

OK.

Some Sunday morning Moodies…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bucx2M-tYsY

Jim Pierce

July 1st, 2012
11:25 am

Is there a democrat alive that isn’t a hypocrite?

Have any of you libs considered ONCE the debt? The deficit? The borrowing? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO just give us more entitlements. Let the country rot.

We’re running out of people with actual jobs to pay for anything lol

getalife

July 1st, 2012
11:26 am

I did notice that countries that provide health care for all their people do not waste much money on needless wars.

I am sick of Canada kicking our butts.

Jim Pierce

July 1st, 2012
11:27 am

Jamvet: Romney AIN’T McCain. He will destroy Obama with a little thing called truth. Obama cannot run on his record.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
11:28 am

I think you cons should try to win the argument with the people and not the courts.

Try telling the truth and let the people decide not the sc.

Tundra Dude

July 1st, 2012
11:29 am

Mary Elizabeth:
Thank you for the lovely poem.
Sorry, I got busy Friday, then forgot to check for responses Sat.

You wrote:
Tundra, I prefer to read the words of Lincoln, himself, to understand how his mind worked than the words of Thomas deLorenzo about him.

I prefer to know what they actually did.
As you know, some peeps can talk a good game, but their words don’t fit their actions.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
11:30 am

Just remember, someday you have to pay the piper.

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
11:30 am

bman, not sure but take a good look at a world map of the countries that DON”T have some sort of universal care for all of its citizens.

Basically, it is China, Mongolia, most of southern and southeast Asia, all of Africa, five South American countries and………………………………. take a little guess who else?

The relatively tiny number of people who run this country should hang their miserable heads in eternal shame…

bman.

July 1st, 2012
11:34 am

Jamvet .. .. thanks. Mister Bookman probably knows.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
11:34 am

“Obama cannot run on his record.”

Yes, he can.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
11:35 am

I like the lie the Repubtards are telling…

When you start your statement like that, don’t be surprised by the lack of intelligent discussion that develops afterwards. Sometimes it’s good to NOT type what you think.

Just an fyi…

getalife

July 1st, 2012
11:37 am

We are falling behind because of the cons and the gop.

No doubt about it just the facts.

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
11:38 am

Romney AIN’T McCain.

Agreed.

He is much worse.

Unlike Flip Romney, John McCain was a great human being with some principled values. Romney can make no such claim. He’d sell his mother to get a few electoral college votes. McCain was just the first candidate to be saddled with the aftermath of that apocalyptic Bush administration. The one that Republicans delusionally and desperately want everyone to forget about. Which wouldn’t be prudent at this juncture. LOL!

So he tried insanely (Sarah freaking Palin???) to be a good little fake conservative.

And George Willard Bush is doing the exact same thing. Bowing to and kissing the asses of the fake conservative machinery that owns that dysfunctional, gawdawful political party.

And though Barry is very mediocre, Flip will never sit in the West Wing.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
11:44 am

How many sitting Presidents have had the country’s credit rating downgraded on their watch?

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
11:45 am

Effective July 1 a Georgia law gives drivers the option of affixing a decal with the slogan “In God We Trust” on license plates in place of the county where they live.

Now THAT is the kind of rock-solid, people helping, effective governance that I have come to expect from our state “leaders”!

I’m gonna get one that says “In JamVet I Trust”.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
11:47 am

How many sitting Presidents have had the country’s credit rating downgraded on their watch?

Well, there has been only one. Why didn’t you ask WHY the credit downgrade happened too? I guess some people will slant facts to push a partisaned idea eventhough the situation has no similar reasoning.

Tundra Dude

July 1st, 2012
11:47 am

Romney AIN’T McCain.

Agreed.
He is much worse.

Seems to be. Should be required reading….McCain”s 2008 file on Romney.
(I’m closer to becoming an astronaut, than Romney is to becoming a good conservative)

bman.

July 1st, 2012
11:48 am

Bro .. .. do you know enough about the new law to be able to answer my question @11:16 ?

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
11:49 am

How many US presidents had to immediately deal with the crushing aftermath of the Great Depression and the Great Recession?

$10,000,000,000,000.00 “disappeared”. Almost overnight.

And you status quo loving rubes honestly thought it would all blow over in a couple of years, didn’t you?

The greatest crime of the century and nobody even went to jail for it…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jon3q6me5Sg

Adam

July 1st, 2012
11:54 am

RB: you should really stay out of the discussion because you’re just not smart enough to participate in any meaningful way.

RB’s default when someone disagrees with him. And yet despite this and other evidence, he STILL thinks that employee turnover is ALL the employee’s fault.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
11:54 am

bman

Honestly, no I can not answer that question. To do that, not only would I have to know the intimate details of our law, but I would also need extensive knowledge of the laws of other countries in order to make, what I think, would be a serious and intelligent comparison. I could probably make some random guess, but I try to avoid doing those type things.

Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common

July 1st, 2012
11:58 am

Scott in Florida is saying he WILL NOT implement Obamacare.

HMMM since Nathan (the real) Steal always follows close behind FL. Maybe Ga is in for a rough ride

:-)

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
11:59 am

Gee Jam, I thought this guy was voted in to stop the US from going under financially among other things. The reason the US was downgraded was because there was and still no plan to start erasing the debt. How much was the deficit when this guy took office? How much is it now? How much more is Obamacare going to add to it? Anybody that votes for this guy again better get their “Shovel Ready’ because there is going to be alot more ca-ca to dig just to keep the country’s nose barely above it.

Adam

July 1st, 2012
12:01 pm

But what was and is really striking about the anti-reformers is their cruelty. It would be one thing if, at any point, they had offered any hint of an alternative proposal to help Americans with pre-existing conditions, Americans who simply can’t afford expensive individual insurance, Americans who lose coverage along with their jobs. But it has long been obvious that the opposition’s goal is simply to kill reform, never mind the human consequences. We should all be thankful that, for the moment at least, that effort has failed.

THIS

Sharona

July 1st, 2012
12:02 pm

If nothing else the ObamaCare ruling weakens the element of predictability from Supreme Court decisions.

The days of counting on the usual 5-4 split based on political ideology would appear to be over, at least while the current nine are there.

bman.

July 1st, 2012
12:04 pm

Bro .. .. I understand. I was just curious. Now that it appears as if it’s a GO, I thought I’d better attempt to know a little about it. So many here are either all-in or out on this, but they don’t really know anything about it.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
12:08 pm

orange .

Stop lying.

The gop walked away for taxes on their precious billionaires and gave us our first downgrade.

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
12:09 pm

Great song as usual JamVet! I like the moodies.This may be ok the the topic though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpy_pYXSpPA

Hope this works!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
12:10 pm

SoCo/Bro

Been meanin’ to ask — how did that smoked pork roast turn out the other week?

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
12:14 pm

bman

I’ve thought the same thing. I have no plans to ever drop insurance coverage for me or the family. I’d be a complete dumbass to work in my field and not carry insurance. I have insurance, and in some cases, I have insurance ON the insurance. I’m not taking any chances.

——————————-

Kam

The family warned me that I needed to start doing them at least 2 at a time now. Some that eat very little pork had no problems scarfing it down. Everybody said it was great, but I still think I could have made it better.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
12:15 pm

Getalife,

I hope nobody gives you a kidney punch.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
12:17 pm

Soothsayer

July 1st, 2012
12:18 pm

Kam, thanks again for your support over at Wingnut’s blog. I really appreciate it. More than you know.

DannyX

July 1st, 2012
12:19 pm

“How many sitting Presidents have had the country’s credit rating downgraded on their watch?”

What’s the plan Orange? How do the Republicans plan on repairing the damage they did to the deficit? Republicans act like it either never happened or occurred 50 years ago. Its only been 3 and a half years.

When are Republicans planning to repeal their “socialist” unfunded Medicare Part D? Or at the least how are they going to fund it?

Obama is carrying the tab for two unfunded Republican wars that cost at least a trillion dollars, how are the Republicans planning on fixing that screw up?

How do we pay for the Republicans unfunded Dept of Homeland Security?

What about the crazy Bush tax cuts that were handed out during the Republican spending spree which is still on the books? Any plans to take care of that debacle?

What’s the plan?????

getalife

July 1st, 2012
12:19 pm

Orange,

We do not lie and we do not allow drama on this blog.

zeke

July 1st, 2012
12:20 pm

The problem with the decision is that with his opinion Roberts did not rule on the case before the Court, that of the legality of using the Commerce Clause to force this boondoggle on the U..S. taxpayers. Instead he basically rewrote the law, not a Constitutional duty of the Court! And, I do not think they ruled one way or the other that the Obamacare was Constitutional, ONLY THAT THE MANDATE AS A TAX WAS!

getalife

July 1st, 2012
12:20 pm

Sooth,

Did you ask bruno if he snitched?

Was I wrong?

bman.

July 1st, 2012
12:21 pm

maybe I’m looking too far ahead and all…but, shouldn’t they be beginning construction on new hospitals nationwide asap?

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
12:21 pm

Gee Jam, I thought this guy was voted in to stop the US from going under financially among other things.

Then you were naive. HE cannot do that. He is an American president, not a king or an emperor. He cannot sprinkle some magic dust and make all of our gargantuan, decades long problems just go poof! And you should know that.

And to your point, the US did not “go under”, did it?

She took one helluva crushing overhand right to the nose in 2008, but she got back up off of the mat and got back into the fight. At least those of us who still had some semblance of a home, career and future.

The reason the US was downgraded was for a whole raft of reasons. All stemming form the same crimes and all highly inter-related.

That you honestly think that you can compartmentalize all of these issues into wholly separate matters and not address the fundamental, underlying reasons, and perhaps most importantly, who did what to whom, is proof that you will never go much beyond your perpetual ODS and blaming that one single human being for everything that has gone wrong for forty years.

Further, I believe that your unwillingness to stand up the men who actually committed these staggering crimes against the republic explains fully your bizarre loathing for the protesters who do…

Soothsayer

July 1st, 2012
12:22 pm

For my other blog friends here at JB’s blog, you should be aware that Bruno continues to spread lies about me over at Wingnut’s blog.

He then takes offense at my posting of his “flameout” (my name for it) and accuses me of “stalking.”

I have offered him over and over that I will leave him alone if he will stop lying about me, but so far he refuses to stop.

Just thought you’d like to know.

Soothsayer

July 1st, 2012
12:24 pm

“Did you ask bruno if he snitched?

Was I wrong?”

No, because he would never admit it. What’s the use?

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
12:24 pm

I stated something here and my questions get answered with questions?

getalife

July 1st, 2012
12:26 pm

orange,

What was the question?

DannyX

July 1st, 2012
12:26 pm

“I stated something here and my questions get answered with questions?”

You started something you can’t finish.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
12:26 pm

No Jam, not true. He stated he would cut the deficit during his first term. He didn’t do anything but add to it. Next.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
12:27 pm

Sooth

No problem,

Kyle’s place is suffering from toomanyalphadogs-itis and the new one just added is gonna make for some interesting reading.

My $.02, so take it for what it’s worth — leave Bruno alone. You’re much better than that.

Soothsayer

July 1st, 2012
12:30 pm

You’re probably right, Kam. Good advice.

Tundra Dude

July 1st, 2012
12:30 pm

Thin Guy (thin on good info) wrote, in part:
Marxist Medicine will destroy our healthcare system,

My country (of birth) has had it since 1883. How long should it take till it’s fully destroyed…..

getalife

July 1st, 2012
12:30 pm

Orange,

Yeah, it is tough cutting the deficit after a collapse.

Do you ignore the colllapse?

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
12:31 pm

Oh sorry Danny, I was answering Jams post. Truthfully, you are right, I haven’t heard of Romney’s plan yet. The only plan I have heard from the Republican’s is Cantor’s plan which seems to be a little too draconian for some people, not to say it will not work.

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
12:31 pm

Scoot, loved the extended jam in that version! It is a killer song that I will apparently never, ever tire of. I saw them once back in the day (St. Petersburg, Florida) and they were just that, no props, no onstage gimmicks, just a bunch of cats tearing it up…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KhMomocD28&feature=related

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
12:31 pm

Kam

I think it is as much alpha “wannabees” as anything else.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
12:33 pm

Getalife,

Obama has. He just keeps on borrowing.

Tundra Dude

July 1st, 2012
12:33 pm

Calling all (blog) veterans:

Inquiring Mindz want to know:
Has there ever been a topic as popular as this, Health Care…??

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
12:33 pm

Dang,y’all got me curious! Guess I will go to Kyle’s place and see what’s going on.

Paulo977

July 1st, 2012
12:34 pm

getalife to Orange

Stop lying…the gop walked away for taxes on their precious billionaires and gave us our first downgrade
_______________________________________________________

It’s the way some folks advocate , even though most of the time their own interests are at risk!!!
They worship their precious billionaires….just saying!!!

getalife

July 1st, 2012
12:36 pm

“MURDOCH: ‘Doubtful’ Romney can win…”

Trouble in con la la land.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
12:40 pm

Dang,y’all got me curious! Guess I will go to Kyle’s place and see what’s going on.

Watch you step, Scootter. Smitty’s head exploded all over the first three pages.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
12:40 pm

Paulo,

The thing that boggles my mind is their precious billionaires are making record profits and record unlimited legalized bribes.

The don’t need any more welfare yet, the gop and their cons keep giving them welfare then cry about the deficit.

It is low hanging fruit begging to be cut.

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
12:40 pm

Tell me one single solitary politician in my lifetime who has not promised the moon to get elected.

Selectively choosing which never intended to be kept promises seems a fool’s errand.

Better to try and change our corrupt plutocracy. And I mean CHANGE it, not just dabble around he edges like the Tweedledee and Tweedledum Parties do.

Why? Because nothing good ever happens on behalf of us working stiffs.

As much as I opposed PPACA and support Single Payer, the fact remains that it was enacted because of the horrific problems that with our deadly, ultra-corrupt clusterf&ck of a system. Simply put, ours is absolutely the worst health care insurance system in the civilized world. And this is NOT by accident.

And Obamacare, love it, hate it or otherwise, is the very first piece of sweeping legislation in many decades that is a real effort to effect positive change on behalf of millions of struggling American families…

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
12:41 pm

And Sooth

in the future if you could refrain my taking my posts regarding one blogger (ESPECIALLY WHEN THEIR NAME IS IN THE POST) as you did at Kyle’s to utilize it against another blogger that you have an issue with, it would be much appreciated.

That was a very weak move to imply I was directing my comments to Bruno by leaving off the last part of my post and lumping it in with other comments that Bruno made and others made regarding Bruno.

Thank you

Peace

getalife

July 1st, 2012
12:43 pm

Tundra,

Iraq.

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
12:44 pm

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
12:31 pm

Believe it or not Jam,I saw the cult and ARS in Clarkston of all places back in the mid 70s while you were still serving.No frills just great music!

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
12:46 pm

Jam,

He had his shot and he blew it. We are worse off now for it. Maybe if he cleaned house and got a new admin. Something to consider.

Adam

July 1st, 2012
12:46 pm

Have any of you libs considered ONCE the debt? The deficit? The borrowing? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO just give us more entitlements. Let the country rot.

Is there any Republican supporter left who KNOWS that the whole damn thing is paid for? Nope. You all still think it’s some skyrocketing expenditure.

Adam

July 1st, 2012
12:47 pm

Obama IS running on his record. He’s just not running on the record you guys made up for him.

Adam

July 1st, 2012
12:48 pm

Scott in Florida is saying he WILL NOT implement Obamacare

Not particularly worried. Poor people aren’t going to suddenly start voting Republican because their Republican governors denied them medical care, as they have been doing for decades anyway.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
12:48 pm

Sooth

To be clear, I am not taking sides on the beef you have with Bruno. I myself mad some jabs about spiking the punch and not the ball before he stormed out. Wasn’t by any means to get him so made he left, but it was to do the same that he was ready to do himself; have fun and make some jokes.

Outside of you throwing my name into the mix, especially when it was purposely down out of context, I could careless.

May the best pillow fighter win

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
12:49 pm

Adam,

“Is there any Republican supporter left who KNOWS that the whole damn thing is paid for? Nope. You all still think it’s some skyrocketing expenditure.”

Throw the BS flag on that. Where’s your proof it’s paid for.

Adam

July 1st, 2012
12:49 pm

Orange12: Getalife,

I hope nobody gives you a kidney punch.

Somehow I doubt your sincerity

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
12:51 pm

made not mad, but it was a mad joke

“Spike the punch, not the ball”

:-)

Adam

July 1st, 2012
12:51 pm

Orange 12: No proof that you will acknowledge. Where’s your proof it isn’t? Since you made the claim?

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
12:51 pm

Adam,

“Somehow I doubt your sincerity”

It was meant in jest, Getalife is one of my best blog buddies

bman.

July 1st, 2012
12:51 pm

“Is there any Republican supporter left who KNOWS that the whole damn thing is paid for? Nope”

I would like to know how it’s paid.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
12:53 pm

Adam,

How about the National Def. ticker that keeps going up by the microsecond?

Adam

July 1st, 2012
12:53 pm

Orange 12: Actually maybe there IS some proof you will acknowledge. A nd since it requires moving goal posts to a favored Republican talking point, it should be very easy for you to acknowledge the proof that it’s paid for.

Would you like to know what it is?

Adam

July 1st, 2012
12:55 pm

bman, Orange 12: Come on…. you already know how it’s paid for. It’s the first thing Republicans floated to when it wasn’t “unconstitutional!!!’ anymore…

Comeon… it’s on the tip of your tongue…

getalife

July 1st, 2012
12:55 pm

Orange,

If you use austerity after a collapse you get a full blown depression or in the EU’s case back to a recession.

You lost that argument too.

Adam

July 1st, 2012
12:55 pm

Give up yet? I’ll give you one more hint. Senator Akbar says it’s a…..

stephen

July 1st, 2012
12:55 pm

All good efforts. I have to give it to “F”, Ben Shapiro for the sheer clarity and finality in his pronouncement of doom. “C” Roy Nicholson’s bombasity had me until I dozed off a couple of times. “E” Rand Paul is always strong in a contest such as this but I disqualified him when it was obvious he didn’t know what the Supreme Court was for.

St Simons - he-ne-ha-ha-ha

July 1st, 2012
12:57 pm

The irresponsible con ‘i hope he fails’ House caused the downgrade.
Quit whining about Rev Wright,
YOU cons toddler fits are what “damned ‘merka” – to a AA. Own it.

but hey, I’ll play –
who’s the only 2 sitting presidents to preside over depressions?
Two Republican ‘bidnessmens’ that’s who
You think Amerka wants any more o that? another Hoover or Little Nero?
Quit whining cons. You have no answers but wahwahwah.
12 more years. hillary & my indian sister will have to fight it out
for the other 8. Unless Kirsten Gillibrand runs – hubba hubba
too hot fer surfin dude

Adam

July 1st, 2012
12:57 pm

3…

2…

1…

And the answer is:

IT’S A TAX!!!!

That’s how it’s paid for (but not “on the middle class” btw). See one of your own conservative sites for more details:

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/06/obamacare-21-new-or-higher-taxes.html

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
12:58 pm

Has there ever been a topic as popular as this, Health Care…??

Sure, fishing. Jay’s annual “gone fishing” posts generates 2000+ posts every time. I think Paul’s not allowed to shut things down until after 2000 posts. :)

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
12:59 pm

We are worse off now for it.

In spite of your self-assured proclamations, I’m not sure.

Had a Republican been elected, I suspect that the damage would be much, much greater at this point.

But who knows?

I do know that I will never trust the neocons with the physical or economic lives of this nation’s children.

Off to run errands and maybe take a camping chair and sit in the frozen foods section of the grocery store!

Peace out…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiH9yXKSMVM

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
1:00 pm

Adam,

Yeah right. Maybe he just Hired “Harry Potter” to fix it all.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
1:01 pm

I stated something here and my questions get answered with questions?

Well, actually I answered your question with an answer. I then asked you a question in response, but I’m guessing you didn’t see it. There was no attempt made to answer the question that I asked in return, nor was there an acknowledgement of the answer I gave you….

——————————-

Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
11:47 am

How many sitting Presidents have had the country’s credit rating downgraded on their watch?

Well, there has been only one. Why didn’t you ask WHY the credit downgrade happened too? I guess some people will slant facts to push a partisaned idea eventhough the situation has no similar reasoning.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
1:02 pm

Jam,

Your opinion, fair enough.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
1:04 pm

Punch the ball, not the spike.

bman.

July 1st, 2012
1:06 pm

Adam .. .. Of course I knew it would be taxes.

barking frog

July 1st, 2012
1:07 pm

all health insurance is now
a fed tax because you are
required to have it and you
must pay a tax penalty if
you don’t buy it but if you
can’t afford it the fed will
help you buy it.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
1:10 pm

Sorry Bro, I was in an exchange with Jam, Getalife and Adam. The reason the country’s credit rating was downgraded was because the Obama Admin. had no plan to show how they could pay down the deficit wuthout causing a substantial risk of going insolvent. We were downgraded due to added risk. There you have it.

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
1:12 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
1:04 pm

Smitty was definately on a roll over at Kyle’s.
I’ll just keep visiting here at Jay’s place. And thanks for the warning.Whew!

Tundra Dude

July 1st, 2012
1:13 pm

Sure, fishing. Jay’s annual “gone fishing” posts generates 2000+ posts

Missed that one, too, darn.
Whudda thunk it. Fishing & Iraq.
I wudda guessed, immigration and gay issues.

DannyX

July 1st, 2012
1:19 pm

“There you have it.”

Not even close. It was not the job of the Obama administration to prove anything, it was the job of our Congress. At the time of the downgrade Republicans were entrenched in their uncompromising position which ruined the momentum they gained from the 2010 election. Both parties finally agreed to the horrible super committee plan that both parties are now running away from.

carlosgvv

July 1st, 2012
1:19 pm

I wonder how many realize that, in the upcomming election, the real importance in electing Romney or re-electing Obama may be who they will appoint to the Supreme Court?

The Thin Guy

July 1st, 2012
1:21 pm

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
1:22 pm

Orange 12

You’re right, but your answer is not complete.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/spratingreport_080611.pdf

In addition to not having a plan to combat our increasing debt and deficits, there’s also this bit in the report…

· The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan
that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of
what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government’s
medium-term debt dynamics.

· More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness,
stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political
institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic
challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a
negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

· Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the
gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us
pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be
able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal
consolidation plan that stabilizes the government’s debt dynamics any
time soon.

Those bullet points are directly from S&P’s report. Read the last two and understand why not having a plan looks so bad. Imagine how much of an impact that statements such as:

“The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

“We worked very hard to keep our fingerprints off of these proposals, because we thought — correctly, I think — that the only way the American people would know that a great debate was going on was if the measures were not bipartisan.”

Those two statements were made by a GOP leader, Mitch McConnell, and not just some random member of Congress. When the head of a Congressional contingent is openly communicating things such as that in public forums, what outlook is there in seeing any attempts at coming together to work on our problems. I’m not letting Obama or Democrats off the hook as they are 1/2 of the problem, but by no stretch of the imagination can anybody claim that the GOP is even 1/2 of the solution right now.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
1:23 pm

Danny, I thought you were gone. Nope you are wrong again. The Republicans gave Obama a viable plan and Obama , himself, put the calabash on it.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
1:25 pm

The reason the country’s credit rating was downgraded was because…

Those credit ratings agencies are prostitutes complicit in the global economic meltdown. They sold their ratings to the very people foisting toxic derivatives they claimed to be AAA rated investments, so I wouldn’t stand too close to these buttmunches.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
1:26 pm

Bro,

You type alot. Wasn’t he given a viable plan by the Republicans which he gave the thumbs down?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
1:28 pm

Words of Wisdom from The Donald

“Buy high, sell low, go into multiple bankruptcies and marry multiple blondes.”

St Simons - he-ne-ha-ha-ha

July 1st, 2012
1:32 pm

These Republicans can’t tell the difference between a tax & a penalty.

(now, THAT’s a funny accounting joke)

getalife

July 1st, 2012
1:36 pm

Orange,

The downgrade did not change anything and Kam is right about their credibility.

The market indicated that after the EU bails out their banks, it is back to business as usual until they collapse the global economy again on a new scam..

ken

July 1st, 2012
1:38 pm

WSJ Chief Economist: 75% of Obamacare Costs Will Fall on Backs of Those Making Less Than $120K a Year

But it’s not a TAX !!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

getalife

July 1st, 2012
1:41 pm

getalife

July 1st, 2012
1:42 pm

hen,

Was it moore?

He has never been right.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
1:45 pm

getalife

Gonna be a good game.

I say Spain by a goal in OT.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
1:46 pm

Getalife,

There you go again. However. you are right about the downgrade not changing much.
What it in effect is, is that you had better start showing proof that you are getting your financial house in shape. Obama has not done this nor does he have a clue as to where to start. The next financial downgrade will hurt the country.

Doggone/GA

July 1st, 2012
1:46 pm

“Why didn’t you ask WHY the credit downgrade happened too? I guess some people will slant facts to push a partisaned idea eventhough the situation has no similar reasoning”

And THEN ask: what effect did that downgrade actually have?

answer: NONE

DannyX

July 1st, 2012
1:46 pm

“Danny, I thought you were gone. Nope you are wrong again. The Republicans gave Obama a viable plan and Obama , himself, put the calabash on it.”

If Republicans had come up with a viable plan that was rejected by Obama, Romney would be up by 10 pts right on his way to a big November victory. The fact is the Republican temper tantrum of 2011 put the brakes on their momentum. Romney’s secret plan that cuts taxes again and raises defense spending is doing nothing but reminding the American public of the dreadful Bush years.

What ever happened to the super committee budget cuts? Where is that headed? Oh, and how do Republicans repair the damage they caused to the deficit, you left out the details, something like Republicans are only offering a bogus plan.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
1:49 pm

Orange,

The cuts were on the table and the gop walked away because if their tax pledge.

Do you ever blame your party for anything?

BTW, the gop house did not cut spending and are spending like nothing happened.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
1:54 pm

Danny,

Wasn’t Cantnor’s plan viable? National Defense is important in my opinion, we don’t need a second rate military especially in todays world hense keep the funding. I beleive the Republican plan would have stopped the downgrade.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
1:55 pm

Kam,

I have to go with the home team and will hope for an upset.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
1:58 pm

Getalife,

Cuts by who? The Reps or the Dems. The deal was done until Obama nixed it himself.And yes, the Reps do have faults.But they aren’t in the Presidential drivers seat during the last 3 & 1/2 years.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:00 pm

Orange,

Your speaker walked away over taxes. The gop house spent another 642 billion more on the mic but to be fair they extended unemployment and food stamp money during this crisis. Their last bill spent 108 billion on road construction, extended low interest rates for students and flood insurance.

I watch them on C-Span.

DannyX

July 1st, 2012
2:01 pm

“Wasn’t Cantnor’s plan viable?”

The American public said hell no.

Most Americans are calling for a combination of budget cuts and tax increases. Republicans thought the 2010 election gave them the right to dictate the terms without compromise, big mistake. You don’t seem to understand that politically it was the Republicans that took a hit during last years budget battle. To say that Cantor’s plan was acceptable is pure fantasy.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
2:02 pm

getalife

If the Spaniards can’t contain Balotelli, the Azzurri will win this game by 2.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:04 pm

Kam,

They showed Balotelli talking to Italian fans and it looked like he was sipping their beer.

I like him.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:04 pm

Danny,

Did the American public take a vote on it?

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:07 pm

Getalife,

Obama nixed the bill. Not Boehner.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:09 pm

The automatic cut deadline was punted back until next year .

I think they will keep punting on the cuts.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:11 pm

Orange,

Your speaker cut and ran. Fact.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
2:11 pm

getalife

Balotelli was instrumental in helping Manchester City come out number one this year in the English Premier League, but he is a hot-head that is easily baited. He really needs to keep his cool today.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:12 pm

211

Not true.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:12 pm

“And yes, the Reps do have faults”

Name them.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:12 pm

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:13 pm

Kam,

He is starting today and yes he is crazy.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:14 pm

Why Orange?

Name their faults.

Be honest for a change.

Mr_B

July 1st, 2012
2:16 pm

“Throw the BS flag on that. Where’s your proof it’s paid for.”

“Revenue Provisions
 The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is fully paid for and reduces the deficit in the next ten years and beyond. The revenue provisions in the bill focus on paying for reform within the health care system. This is accomplished by tightening current health tax incentives, collecting industry fees, and slightly increasing the Medicare Hospital Insurance tax for individuals who earn more than $200,000 and couples who earn more than $250,000. This increase will not only help fund health care reform, but, when combined with other provisions in the bill, will also extend the solvency of the Medicare Trust Fund by nine years to 2026. The bill also includes a fee on insurance companies when they sell high cost health insurance plans, designed to generate smarter, more cost-effective health coverage choices. Changes to health care tax incentives include capping FSA contributions, conforming definitions of deductible medical expenses and changing penalties for HSA spending that is not devoted to health care. The industry fees reflect responsible contributions from industries who have long profited from health care and who will benefit from the expanded coverage of millions of additional Americans under health care reform. The bill also assesses a small excise tax on indoor tanning services. Together, these revenue provisions represent a balanced, responsible package of proposals that bend the health care cost curve by putting downward pressure on health spending.”

http://dpc.senate.gov/healthreformbill/healthbill45.pdf

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:16 pm

Actually, a little more give and take with the Democratic Party is probably their biggest fault until enough of these people reach an agreement of how to get thiscountry back on track, the country will still be floundering.

DannyX

July 1st, 2012
2:16 pm

“Did the American public take a vote on it?”

They will in November. Sooner or later Romney is going to have to start talking. If he continues to support the Ryan plan he will get clobbered.

Romney really does need to start talking. Despite Republican hot air over healthcare, unemployment, the economy, the deficit, Arizona immigration, Fast and Furious, Obama’s support for gay marriage, along with the millions in PAC money, Romney has not gained a thing. It doesn’t matter at this point what Republicans throw at Obama, Romney is doomed without a clear message.

Listening to Republicans you would have thought Romney was going to get a huge bump after the health care ruling. It looks like it never materialized. In fact Obama got a slight bump according to Gallup and even Rasmussen.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:17 pm

Orange,

They did agree on automatic cuts then punted on them.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:19 pm

Maybe I missed it in your text B but why are we projected to add another 1.2 trillion to the Nattional debt with Obamacare.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:19 pm

willard is running from the media like palin until he can memorize all his positions.

I don’t think he can.

Too many positions on the issues.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:19 pm

Getalife,

You mean Obama punted.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:20 pm

Orange,

No, congress.

You are never right.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:22 pm

Yes I am on this one. The bill was done until it got to Obama’s office where it was nixed.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:23 pm

Looks like Orange punted on the gop faults.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:25 pm

Hey, I gave you what I consider to be their biggest fault at 216

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:27 pm

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:27 pm

Anyway, I’m going on vacation tomorrow and need to start getting my house in order. I really hope everyone here has a safe and great 4th.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:27 pm

Now, name the gop fault.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:28 pm

Good call.

Cut and run.

I accept your surrender.

Have fun Orange.

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
2:29 pm

a little more give and take with the Democratic Party is probably their biggest fault

12, that is just plain nonsense.

You really are so enamored with the GOP that you cannot think of ANYTHING more than that????

No wonder they are so irresponsible. They know that there are a million Orange 12s out there who will never say boo to any of their malfeasance and horrible governing.

Without trying to make this too personal, that is really shameful, in my book…

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
2:33 pm

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:25 pm

FYI if you win an arguement with getalife you will be the first. Jus sayin….. :smile:

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:33 pm

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
2:34 pm

Wasn’t he given a viable plan by the Republicans which he gave the thumbs down?

Nope.

Not too much typing for you to read this time, was it?

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:35 pm

Jam,

I think when the cons finally hold their party accountable for their actions it will be too late.

They did try to cut spending but failed and don’t care anymore.

Slip

July 1st, 2012
2:35 pm

One wonders what the billions in federal money pouring into Georgia’s economy (if our AG,Gov and General Assembly have sense enough to take it) as a result of Medicaid would help us out of the last state ranking for economic recovery. We will receive much more than we pay because we still eat more fried fish than other states. Shouldn’t we want to take all that Blue state money?

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:37 pm

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:39 pm

I have a thousand more links that said the Speaker walked away Orange.

Slip

July 1st, 2012
2:40 pm

BTW who’s listening to GBeck anymore? He might be persuasive selling used furniture.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
2:41 pm

Actually, a little more give and take with the Democratic Party is probably their biggest fault until enough of these people reach an agreement of how to get thiscountry back on track, the country will still be floundering.

There is no give and take with the Democratic Party. One seems to have forgotten the candidate that just stated this after defeating an incumbent GOP congressman:

“What I’ve said about compromise and bipartisanship, I hope to build a conservative majority in the United States Senate so bipartisanship becomes Democrats joining Republicans to roll back the size of government, reduce the bureaucracy, lower taxes and get America moving again,”

The current crop of GOP seem to think that compromise and bipartisanship is everybody agreeing with them. That’s pure, unadulterated, 100% USDA Grade-A Premium selected Bullsh*t!!!

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:41 pm

Bro,

Your opinion

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
2:42 pm

Not too much typing for you to read this time, was it

ROFLMAO! Bro

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:43 pm

Orange,

That was the start and your speaker walked away at the end.

Try to keep up.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:43 pm

Getalife,

I backed up what I have been saying. I guess you did too with your link.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
2:44 pm

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57621.html

Cantor bailed too Orange. They’re all playing politics.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:44 pm

My way or the highway is extremism.

You can’t negotiate with crazy.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
2:45 pm

Bro,

Your opinion

Not just mine, homie. Even the commissions said that revenue had to be part of the deal. What revenue increases have the GOP offered????? and I’m not talking that bs about vague promises either.

Joseph

July 1st, 2012
2:45 pm

My favorite is the dems trying to spin this as not being a TAX. This is a TAX as ruled by the court. This wouldn’t be law if not a TAX. How stupid is it that dems would think this is a good thing implementing a brand new TAX on the American people. One of the largest TAX increases ever for the middle class if not the largest TAX increase. Spin that loons and lets see just how comical that is….

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:46 pm

Jam’

Shameful? Get to your point. I proved everything I’ve said. As far as which party is at fault. I guess it’s according to which side of the fence you are on.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:54 pm

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:55 pm

Orange,

No, cantor was the start of negotiations and the speaker walked away at the end of the negotiations over taxes.

Our President ended up acting without congress.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:57 pm

Orange,

If you can’t find fault in a party that gets unlimited bribes, you are intellectually dishonest.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
2:57 pm

Getalife,

You are in denial buddy.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
2:58 pm

TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX
TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX

getalife

July 1st, 2012
2:59 pm

Orange,

I find faults in both parties.

Who is in denial?

Look in the mirror my conservative friend.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

July 1st, 2012
3:01 pm

Add mine to the list, Jay. I think I have the most succinct summation of what transpired last week – they repealed the 13th Amendment. We can now be taxed for anything, for no other reason than we exist. We are truly slaves of our government (which is not really “ours” anymore).

This has obviously been the Manchurian Candidate’s goal all along. They can now get past income to wealth with impunity. We must now consider whether to spend everything we have on vacations, cars, etc. (depreciating assets only), just to keep it away from the government, and then endeavor to join an aggrieved class. I would imagine the Regime has thought of that, and we will soon see laws and regulations to keep that from happening, as they now regard everything as their money.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
3:01 pm

Wow, that was quick.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
3:01 pm

If you can’t find fault in a party that gets unlimited bribes, you are intellectually honest.

There, I fixed it for you. Not to disagree that the Reps. have faults, I just posted what I thought was their most serious fault as far as the welfare of the country.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 1st, 2012
3:02 pm

And the inane “its a tax” losing argument just won’t die…. Its not a tax paid by those working for employers who provide HC insurance, its not paid by those who buy HC insurance….. Its not paid by those who are below the minimum income levels…. Its a “tax” paid by those who foolishly decide not the have HC insurance and risk that their health care treatment, if and when needed, will be paid for by others….. And the “tax” offsets costs which otherwise are passed on to those of us who pay for HC insurance or the taxpayers. If its a “tax” its certainly is one of the better ones

getalife

July 1st, 2012
3:04 pm

Kam,

Italy is getting whooped.

Mary Elizabeth

July 1st, 2012
3:04 pm

Tundra Dude, 11:29 am

“Mary Elizabeth:
Thank you for the lovely poem.
Sorry, I got busy Friday, then forgot to check for responses Sat.

You wrote:
Tundra, I prefer to read the words of Lincoln, himself, to understand how his mind worked than the words of Thomas deLorenzo about him.

I prefer to know what they actually did.
As you know, some peeps can talk a good game, but their words don’t fit their actions.”
=====================================================

Tundra, thank you for your comments regarding “O Captain, My Captain” by Walt Whitman about Abraham Lincoln, upon Lincoln’s death. The reason I posted Whitman’s poem yesterday is that, like most poets, Whitman had insight into how the people of his day felt about Lincoln’s death. The mourning most of the nation felt and expressed, in 1865, as shown in “O Captain, My Captain” from “Leaves of Grass” regarding Lincoln’s tragic death, speaks truer – and with more depth – than the words of a present day writer such as DiLorenzo regarding what Lincoln was about, especially if that writer has an agenda to further, through his work.

I always consider the source of who is writing. That is why I mentioned the various volumnes of biographies of Lincoln by Carl Sandburg to you. Sandburg had won a Pulitzer for one of his biographies of Lincoln, as well as a couple more Pulitzers for his poems. Sandburg had the poet’s depth and the poet’s eye. Sandburg had interviewed many “old timers” who actually had known Lincoln and, therefore, Sandburg had firsthand information regarding what Lincoln was about.

On the other hand, Thomas di Lorenzo, the author of a biography of Lincoln which you recommended to me, is only an professor of economics. He is not a historian. He has a definite agenda to propel through his writings. This is what Wikipedia says about him:

Thomas James DiLorenzo (born August 8, 1954) is an American economics professor at Loyola University Maryland. He is an adherent of the Austrian School of Economics. . . He was formerly an affiliated scholar of the League of the South Institute, the research arm of the pro-secession League of the South (though he has denied any lasting affiliation, noting that he only gave a few lectures there shortly after its founding). He holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Virginia Tech.

DiLorenzo has devoted much effort to scholarly historical revisionism, focusing on what has been called ‘the Lincoln Cult’ as a political and historical phenomenon. In the same vein, he has spoken out in favor of the secession of the Confederate States of America, defending the right of these states to secede in a view similar to that of abolitionist Lysander Spooner. He has also criticized the crediting of the New Deal for ending the Great Depression.”

There appears to be biased ideological agenda in the thinking of DiLorenzo, based on his biography, above. Also, please read the following criticisms of DiLorenzo’s book of Lincoln, “Lincoln Unmasked,” as those criticisms appear in Wikipedia, below:

“Several reviewers of the book have concluded that while there is room for discrepancy, the overall interpretation of President Lincoln by other historians has sided towards truth. One such critic is Justin Ewers, a senior editor at U.S. News & World Report, who reviewing the book for The Washington Post noted: ‘Of course, Lincoln’s presidency had its dark side. Most infamously, the Great Emancipator suspended habeas corpus in 1861-62, allowing the indefinite detention of citizens without trial. Still, DiLorenzo’s work is more of a diatribe against a mostly unnamed group of Lincoln scholars than a real historical analysis.’

Other reviewers, like Publishers Weekly, while calling the book a ‘laughable screed,’ suggest that DiLorenzo’s main target are ’scholars who dominate American universities (most notably Eric Foner’.”

Finally, Lincoln’s mind was deep and complex and many of his policies controversial, but I have no doubt that Lincoln committed his life to keeping the Union intact for the preservation of a government “of, by, and for” the people themselves, who were perceived to be “created equal.” And, Lincoln followed his destiny – without flinching – for the generations who would follow many years after his passing – and for all of those throughout the world, who would attempt to make manifest on the world’s state America’s ideals, as established in her Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

Lincoln well knew that many secessionists were following his movements throughout 1864 and 1865 in order to assassinate him. Yet, he continued what he knew he must do to sustain a nation “so conceived and so dedicated” because he knew that was his raison d’etre through the will of Providence. Lincoln was hardly, “some peep (who) can talk a good game, but their words don’t fit their actions.”

Lincoln gave his life for this nation. DiLorenzo is not in Lincoln’s league. Lincoln’s words tell you what Lincoln was about, if one cares to look in depth – not only his Gettysburg Address but also his Second Inaugural Address, in which Lincoln closed with these words:

“With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.”

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/lincoln2.asp

Oscar

July 1st, 2012
3:05 pm

st Right Wing Conspiracy

July 1st, 2012
3:01 pm

___________

How would the weather be of Nepture today. Hope it’s cooler there than it is here.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
3:06 pm

Kam,

Did you lose ESPN?

Mine is out.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
3:08 pm

getalife

Still got 70 minutes of play.

Way too early to call this one.

But so far, Balotelli has been a non-factor.

Mary Elizabeth

July 1st, 2012
3:09 pm

Correction: “. . .on the world’s stage,” not “on the world’s state.”

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
3:11 pm

Sorry it’s wordy. but that’s life.

Why be sorry, you’re the one who was complaining about me typing a lot. I have no problem with reading.

From your link:

Abstract: The number of Americans who pay federal income taxes has been shrinking every year, with a recent report suggesting that less than half of American households owed federal income taxes in 2009.

Not one time did they mention why that percentage is at or near 50%. Do you, or any other conservative remember what it was when Clinton left office? It was in the mid 30’s. Those magical tax cuts that Bush and his GOP Congress enacted took that from the mid 30’s to where it is now. If you don’t consider ALL reasons for the issue you’re trying to discuss, your entire work appears to be nothing but twisting numbers to push your ideological bend. Heritage wouldn’t do that would they? :roll:

One of the key components of Obamacare, tax subsidies to purchase federally approved health insurance, will substantially increase the number of people who are not paying for government services and thus have a lower incentive to be concerned about record-breaking government spending.

And just how do they prove that when government is not providing the insurance for all these people. The crux of the ACA is that people buy insurance from the PRIVATE SECTOR first and foremost. Last time I checked, Uncle Sam wasn’t running Aetna, BCBS, AFLAC, or any other providers. Do they know something that none of us know?

Tom Middleton

July 1st, 2012
3:11 pm

KAMCHAK

Kam, do you live anywhere near Oakhurst Grammer, Agnes Scott College and Decatur High. I lived in that area in my youth, and think about it alot. I’ve often wondered how many of those I went to school with made it through ‘Nam.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
3:11 pm

Kam,

It is back up.

Balotelli took a good hit.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
3:12 pm

Keep

But Roberts said tax. Rush said tax. Boehner said tax. Boortz said tax.

:lol:

getalife

July 1st, 2012
3:13 pm

Another big hit on Balotelli.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
3:13 pm

Just explained it was due to bad weather in the N.E. U.S.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
3:14 pm

He missed the header.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
3:16 pm

Kam,

Just glad nothing happened.

There are a lot of people there.

Good game.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
3:20 pm

Double nutmeg!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hiya Tom.

Nah I am a perimeter kid, so not technically in the Decatur city limits.

But I am intimately familiar with Oakhurst Baptist Church

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 1st, 2012
3:21 pm

Bro, they said tax? Well then, I guess that means its a tax on them scum free riders who would have me pay for their health care. When its put that way, I am highly offended and concerned about my freedom. Them conned keep waiting me to pay their way. No personal responsibility for them conned. :lol:

Tom Middleton

July 1st, 2012
3:24 pm

KAMCHAK

If that’s the one on the other side of the square from Decatur High, I went there, too.

Tom Middleton

July 1st, 2012
3:26 pm

Oh, and I spent the 8th frade at Druid Hills before moving back to Alabama.

Tom Middleton

July 1st, 2012
3:27 pm

Make that “grade.” LOL

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
3:28 pm

Bro,

Insurance companys are in the business to make money, Our Gov has mandated that everyone will have insurance or pay a fine. While maybe the insurance co & the Gov are not in cahoots with each other. I don’t think the insurance companies are going to enter this plan without being in a better position then they were at the bill’s conceptiom. Do you think rates have risen due to normal projected increases or Obamacare? I’ll take the later’

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
3:30 pm

Even after reading Orange’s Heritage piece, I don’t see how someone in my situation get’s anything other than the middle finger. All this stuff about taxes and credits would be completely moot if the private sector medical insurance got off their asses and reformed themselves on their own. Instead, the neverending quest for money is what put us in the effed up situation we find ourselves.

Shifting back to the debt situation, the jackassery of both parties is why we’re sitting where we are now. Dumb decisions by both parties have left our economy flaccid. When we needed effective governance more than any other recent time, we’ve had one party basically playing demolition derby to make the POTUS a one termer. The Democrats haven’t helped things by entertaining the jackassery as well as participating in a bit of it themselves.

What we need is focus on jobs. People working equates to tax revenues. People working puts money into circulation in the economy. People working means people have money to spend. All the other stuff will work itself out over time as long as we have people working and making meaningful wages. In other words, we’re not going to service sector our way out of this crap.

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
3:33 pm

Shameful? Get to your point.

Hello?

is this thing on!

I made the point as clear as could be.

YOU will not list one single solitary item of substance to criticize the GOP about.

Beyond bizarre and a great possible beginning plot for a science fiction story…

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
3:34 pm

Do you think rates have risen due to normal projected increases or Obamacare? I’ll take the later’

Do you have an explanation for the 260% increase I had in my insurance premiums between 2005 and 2009 then? The ACA had absolutely nothing to do with that. Rates are rising because the insurance companies are squeezing both ends of the medical system. Rates are also rising because insurance companies are trying to recover their losses from those who need to use insurance more than others. Rates are also rising because providers try to recover their losses from treating the uninsured and those who can’t pay for their treatment.

For someone who tries to appear knowledgable, you do a spiffy job at half explanations. Maybe this style of half-assed thinking is the main reason why half of us don’t pay fed income taxes. Who knows…

josef

July 1st, 2012
3:34 pm

TUNDRA

In case you check in, in re President Lincoln and the man behind the myth, I would refer you to William Herndon’s “Herndon’s Lincoln: The True Story of a Great Life” which is now available on line (go to Herndon’s entry in wiki and it will give you the links). Herndon was Lincoln’s law partner and wrote this book because he was disturbed by the hagiology surrounding Lincoln, maintaining that Lincoln himself would have disapproved of what was going on. It was not written to be anything even remotely “anti” Lincoln, but as a realistic portrait of the man drawn from those who knew him.

And, BTW, the di Lorenzo work, while an interesting read, is highly partisan and agenda riddled.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
3:35 pm

Ouch! That one hurt.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Tom

OBC is west and south of DHS

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
3:36 pm

Jam’

Read my 216

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
3:41 pm

Bro,
That’s your case. My premiums/cost increases started last year and Im looking at a $2000.00 increase again starting in FY2013. I blame that on Obamacare.

barking frog

July 1st, 2012
3:43 pm

the problem with healthcare
costs is MD=Million Dollar

Keep Up the Good Fight!

July 1st, 2012
3:46 pm

Hmmmm….. once again we see “I reject reality and substitute my own fiction”.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
3:48 pm

The greatest contribution of the U.S. to the sport of futbol?

The Wave. :roll:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Will someone in the ESPN studios please kick Alexi Lalas in the balls?

Thankyouverymuch

Tom Middleton

July 1st, 2012
3:50 pm

Trying to find it on a map, and if you won’t laugh, I think it’s the one they were building right behind my house on Cambridge Avenue on the old plantation grounds when we moved to North Decatur circa ‘59.

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
3:50 pm

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
3:34 pm

IMHO,you are getting angry with someone that is trying to have a civil debate.Lighten up Francis! :smile:

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
3:51 pm

12 you are one stubborn person.

I just lambasted you for writing that 2:16 and what do you do when challenged about it?

Refer me to your 2:16.

One more time – YOU simply will not list the very first fault with your beloved GOP. According to you their only fault is that the don’t completely, utterly and totally fight against every non-Republican proposal all of the time???!!!

Also, one more time, your covering up for them and their MANY faults and screw ups is beyond shameful.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
3:53 pm

Orange

What do you blame increases over the last 30 yrs?

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
3:53 pm

Orange

You can blame it on the tooth fairy screwing the easter bunny without protection. That doesn’t make it fact. Since I’ve carried insurance, starting in 1996, I have NEVER had two years with the same premium cost. EVER!! Since carrying medical insurance, the most expense I’ve ever generated was having my wisdom teeth removed in 2004 and the birth of my daughter in 2008, yet my rates have increased every year.

You say that’s just me, but there are millions more like me. If your costs only started increasing last year, then you are one lucky dude. Damn lucky…

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
3:55 pm

Real Scootter

That wasn’t meant in anger. That was more like me throwing up my hands in submission. You can’t have a serious and open discussion with someone who only wants to see half the problem. If it sounded like anger, it wasn’t.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
3:56 pm

Tom

222 East Lake Dr. just south of W. College Ave.

bman.

July 1st, 2012
3:56 pm

After nearly 4 years, some people are still unable to find fault with Obama. At what point will you hold him responsible? In 2018?

At a glance, this healthcare law has the makings of a serious clusterf*ck. It will be years before anyone will really know if it is, or not. We’re all in the same boat.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
3:57 pm

Orange

If you do not mind me asking, are you under a company plan or an individual plan that your purchase for yourself and family?

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
3:58 pm

Bro,

Health spending has almost doubled in 10 years

Expenditures, including insurance premiums, out-of-pocket expenditures, and taxes devoted to health care, nearly doubled between 1999 and 2009.

Health cost increases have erased income growth

When other costs are factored in, an average family has only $95 more per month to spend than in 1999.

If health cost growth had matched overall inflation, families would have had an extra $5K/year to spend

Had health care costs tracked the Consumer Price Index, an average American family would have had an additional $450 per month to spend on other priorities

Additional spending is not improving health in the U.S.

By most measures, this extra spending did not buy appreciably better health. For example, the United States is now last among 19 high-income countries in preventing deaths from common health conditions that doctors know how to treat.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9605.html

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
3:58 pm

Jam,
Jam,

Not true, I stated or at least I thought I did that one of the Reps faults is they don’t give or take enough on issues to get this country back on track. I feel this is the most iportant fault to me as it is stopping any recovery for this country. As far as getting lambasted, that’s been happening all day. My views have not changed.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
3:59 pm

You can blame it on the tooth fairy screwing the easter bunny without protection.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
4:00 pm

My bad Bro! For a sec there I thought i was seeing that ABM. :lol:

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Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
4:01 pm

TBS,

I don’t. Mine have only started to get ridiculous last year.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
4:01 pm

Kam

Was over on College Ave for dinner last night

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
4:03 pm

TBS,

Gov. plan.

Tom Middleton

July 1st, 2012
4:03 pm

Yeah, I guess I went to the First Baptist Church, not Oakhurst, but Oakhurst Baptist is very close to where I lived. Sorry to pull you away from your game with this crap, but thanks, my friend. That was a looong time ago. :)

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
4:06 pm

Dang,I’ve let the time get away from me.It’s beer:30 y’all!!!! yee haw

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
4:06 pm

Orange

You are lucky. For yrs many companies have attempted to help negate premium increases by “eating” some of the costs, increasing deductibles, co pays, incorporating HSAs, etc but the cost has been going up up up. So much know that even with the “shifting” around of the different variables, it is difficult for them not to also increase the premiums.

Good for you

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
4:08 pm

“You say that’s just me, but there are millions more like me. If your costs only started increasing last year, then you are one lucky dude. Damn lucky…”

No Bro, I’m not lucky. I earned it.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
4:08 pm

At a glance, this healthcare law has the makings of a serious clusterf*ck. It will be years before anyone will really know if it is, or not. We’re all in the same boat.

Only a glance??? Hell, we just got pimped out to the insurance industry. They could have at least given us astroglide or something. :)

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Real Scootter

Nah, it’s too hot outside to let that dude out. In this kind of weather, I have to keep him chained in the freezer. :lol:

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Kam

You know, I tend to have a way with metaphors. :)

Something interesting I saw with this heat. Last week, I did a pork shoulder slow and low between 225 and 250 degrees. I just looked at my grill, and it’s sitting at 175 without any help other than the sun right now. I wish I had some meat thawed out to grill right now…

carlosgvv

July 1st, 2012
4:11 pm

Not long after Obama was elected, the Republicans stated that their number one goal was his defeat in the next election.

They could have stated many other number one goals; Improving the economy, working to get affordiable insurance to all Americans, fixing our broken infrastructure, working toward more bi-partisanship, getting us out of Afghanistan, or many other worthwhile goals that would work towards the greater good for all Americans.

Instead, their NUMBER ONE GOAL, and only stated goal, is to replace Obama.

Incredibly, all you cons here go in complete lockstep with this selfish goal which only benefits those Republicans in office.

And, when I state the only reason for this that makes any sense, that you value having a lighter shade of pale in the White House above all else, you accuse me of playing the race card.

I wonder why that is?

Proud to be me

July 1st, 2012
4:11 pm

Liberals have “rich” envy syndrome going on . . . it is a disease that overtakes individuals and makes them want to take down the rich because they themselves aren’t rich! Let’s see who are the rich . . Wallstreet, big banks, Hollywood elite, NFL players, National and American league players, etc. Let’s take them all down!!!

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
4:11 pm

No Bro, I’m not lucky. I earned it.

Unless you work for an insurance company or a medical provider, you’re lucky. No amount of labor in the world will keep them from jacking up your costs. There’s no way to earn your premiums not increasing unless you’re an industry insider. Check They BOTH’s post at the bottom of the previous page.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
4:14 pm

Bro,

I’m retired military. I earned it.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
4:17 pm

They BOTH suck

Thinking Man Tavern?

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
4:18 pm

RACE CARD!!! @ 4:11

Sorry carlos,the devil made me do it. :grin:

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
4:18 pm

Orange

Thanks for your service and I am not arguing you earned your insurance benefit. With that said, the government has been subsidizing the increase in costs if nothing in your plan went up for years. Costs have been going up regardless of whether they have went up for you until this year
My dad is retired as well and mentioned that his plan went up some this year as well.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
4:20 pm

Orange

Don’t want to put words in Bro’s mouth, but I think he meant lucky that you haven’t incurred increases, not lucky as if you hadn’t earned your retirement and benefits

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
4:21 pm

I’m retired military. I earned it.

You may have earned it by serving, but you’re still lucky the costs have not increased. Even with the VA, costs now are not the same as they were 10 years ago.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
4:21 pm

They BOTH @ 4:20

That’s exactly what I was saying. You’re not putting words in my mouth by expressing that either.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
4:22 pm

SoCo/Bro

Funny you should mention that, ’cause I was thinking the very same thing about a grill in the sun and this kinda heat.

Doubt that we could get wood to smoke, though.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
4:23 pm

TBS

Like I said. My costs started getting where I took notice last year and I’m looking at a significant increase next year. I blame Obamacare for these increases. What else could it be? And don’t give me it’s the cost of doing business. That doesn’t wash.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
4:24 pm

Kam

Been there, however it was Sun in My Belly. GF purchased some “deal” on line and wanted to check it out. Food was actually pretty good. Little pricey for me, but the we paid $35.00 for $70.00 worth of food. Best part, got to bring my own wine

Skip

July 1st, 2012
4:25 pm

Maybe 12 first got coverage last year.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
4:25 pm

Ok Orange

Not sure where the animosity is coming from, so we just have to agree to disagree.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
4:29 pm

Bro,

Why am I lucky? I fullfilled my part of the agreement in spades. I don’t need some rickety HC bill eroding what I feel I bought and paid for 17 years ago. As far as costs not being the same as 10 years ago. The pay has gone up with any increases except last and this year and next year I get stuck with a whopper.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
4:30 pm

Best part, got to bring my own wine

Incredibly cool! I wish more places would do that.

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Stick a fork in this Euro 2012 Final — it’s done.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
4:33 pm

What else could it be?

Ins. cos. are greedy douchebags.

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This game has just got embarrassing.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
4:34 pm

No, TBS, I didn’t mean to come across that way. Sorry if I did. I’ve been fielding attacks from various individuals all day and guess I was in that mode. Again, Sorry, it wasn’t directed towards you.

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
4:36 pm

I broke one of my rules. Apologized to somebody on here.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
4:36 pm

Orange

No problem. We are cool. We have had a few exchanges in the past, but until today didn’t know you were retired military.

Thanks again for your service.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
4:37 pm

A cheeky backheel shot?

Orange 12

July 1st, 2012
4:40 pm

Yep, till the week after next.

Mr_B

July 1st, 2012
4:41 pm

“Let’s see who are the rich . . Wallstreet, big banks, Hollywood elite, NFL players, National and American league players, etc. Let’s take them all down!!!”

Why would anyone want to “take someone down” just because they’re hard working, or talented, or athletically gifted, or just plain lucked out on the family they were born into (see Romney, Willard.) I don’t and I don’t know anyone who does.

I do expect that those who benefit the most the many advantages that living in this country confers upon them would contribute the most to its welfare and maintenance. I don’t think they should bear all the burden, or even most of it, but to whom much has been given, much is required.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
4:43 pm

Why am I lucky? I fullfilled my part of the agreement in spades. I don’t need some rickety HC bill eroding what I feel I bought and paid for 17 years ago.

You still don’t get what I’m saying. Lucky has nothing to do with you serving or earning your health care. Luck has to do with your costs not going up. Contrary to what you think, your healthcare costs have increased just as everybody else. Instead of you having to pay more, the government has been subsidizing your care more and more. Thanks to that fiscal prudence that you and many others have been begging for, the government is cutting back on its spending. When government cuts its spending, it can not increase subsidizing things, veterans healthcare included.

If you think it’s because of the ACA, then you are sorely wrong. The DoD is responsible for your increased costs.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/02/military-tricare-costs-would-jump-in-budget-plan-022312w/

Pentagon officials will continue pressing in 2013 for significantly higher Tricare fees for military retirees, including older retirees covered by Tricare for Life, as well as higher drug co-pays for all Tricare beneficiaries.

The Defense Department’s proposed 2013 budget calls for annual enrollment fees for retirees in Tricare Prime to rise next year by 30 percent to 78 percent, from the current $460 or $520 for families to between $600 and $820, depending on military retirement income…

When lawmakers last year approved the first fee increases since Tricare was created in the mid-1990s, they limited future hikes to the retiree COLA. The most recent COLA increase was 3.6 percent; medical inflation typically rises by 6 percent or 7 percent a year.

“These new increases, coming on top of last year’s changes, are a classic ‘bait and switch’ that would raise beneficiary fees by as much as $1,500 a year or more,” said retired Vice Adm. Norb Ryan, president of the Military Officers Association of America.

It’s a case of be careful of what you ask for, as you just might get it. Decreased government spending calls for decreased budgets. You get to feel what the public sector workers feel when budgets get tightened. The first people to get the shaft are the pensioners and retirees.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
4:46 pm

Orange

If you think I’m attacking you, that’s not my intent. I’m simply trying to explain that things may not be as simple as you believe they are. The ACA does not have enough provisions in effect right now to push costs upwards. When things really start to kick in next year, you’ll probably have a legitimate point in blaming the ACA. We’re all getting taken to the woodshed for that.

getalife

July 1st, 2012
4:50 pm

My preacher neighbor got robbed today and all they took was pictures off the wall.

Weird.

carlosgvv

July 1st, 2012
4:57 pm

“Baldwin marries yoga instructor”

Does that mean they will have a very flexible honeymoon?

stands for decibels

July 1st, 2012
5:02 pm

For my other blog friends here at JB’s blog, you should be aware that Bruno continues to spread lies about me over at Wingnut’s blog.

huh. “really?”, I wondered… so I went over there and found this.

Reporter–For some reason, Bookman is in love with this guy SoothSayer, who gets his jollies by directing sexual insults toward women he doesn’t even know. Says about all I need to know about the two of them.

that’s pretty damn sad. Those who miss Bruno might want to keep this kind of childish crap he’s more than willing to fling, in mind.

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
5:08 pm

Does that mean they will have a very flexible honeymoon

It will be if Baldwin don’t have some Viagr!

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
5:14 pm

sfd

Not defending Bruno at all, but Sooth utilizing a post of mine that was intended for another blogger and inferring that my post was for Bruno, speaks volumes about Sooth.

Wouldn’t have been so bad, but I named the person my post was intended for, yet to help his “cause” he left out that part.

Crappy situation all around. I have certainly gone over the limit and said as much on Friday, but using my post the way he did was weak @ss punk $hit. Not appreciated in the least.

Oh well, hopefully as a general rule the overall conservation stays at a higher level than it was part of last week.

Thomas

July 1st, 2012
5:21 pm

There is a lay up op ed piece waiting to be written-

More than 65% of all jobs are created by small business.

At least 50% of small business owners favor Obamacare.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
5:22 pm

I have certainly gone over the limit and said as much on Friday…

Again — meh, you shoulda been next door at CT’s during it’s heyday. And the same people there were the same people that are still here and at Kyle’s only using even more sock-puppets.

Granny Godzilla and I were namejacked on a daily basis by people posting incredibly vile and perverted crap. I even got red-carded there for a day by a namejacker’s posts.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
5:27 pm

Kam

I hear ya. While I think Jm to be culpable as well the other night, I can only speak for myself.

One thing for a blogger to go too far in an exchange, another to use someone’s post out of context to help prove their point.

That was a low blow, which to me goes beyond the pillow fight I wasn’t and am not even involved in.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
5:30 pm

Kam

If I get out of line or have to eat my words, that is one thing. Don’t need anyone twisting my intent to further theirs.

Like I said, oh well, the poo will be flying again tomorrow

G Mare

July 1st, 2012
5:30 pm

May have to try to log in on Kyle’s cuz I can’t seem to do so here. :(

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
5:33 pm

One thing for a blogger to go too far in an exchange, another to use someone’s post out of context to help prove their point.

Agreed, but Sooth acknowledged and apologized for his mistake so I think it’s not a good idea to keep picking at that scab.

Again my $0.02 for what it’s worth.

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
5:34 pm

One of my favorite Laura Nyro love songs.

Her songwriting, her voice, her lyrics, her fearless honesty -all of it was just superb…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShOZKLUAJU8

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
5:34 pm

Kam

Thanks, but I promise it didn’t go over well.

I can’t read minds, but my take is that he didn’t make a mistake when he did it

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
5:40 pm

Thanks, but I promise it didn’t go over well.

Your grudge to nurse, not mine.

I’ve carried (still carry) a few grudges myself.

Don’t really like myself for it, but hey, what’s New Years for if not for making resolutions. :wink:

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
5:42 pm

I tell y’all what. This is July 1st. It’s the 1st day of the 2nd half of the year. Can you just be men and say whatever happened before today is left in that half of the year? I know it’s not easy when things make you mad, but at some point, there has to be a grown up to make an attempt to move beyond things.

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
5:43 pm

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
5:34 pm

Excelant choice Jam! I was going to sugest a joke or something.Whew!

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
5:47 pm

Bro

I said what I had to say.

Thank you

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
5:49 pm

Thanks, Scoot…

Sometimes we all deserve a…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRkaPdfjzEk

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
5:50 pm

They BOTH

No problem. I can tell that toes got stepped on. I’ve been there, and I completely understand.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
5:52 pm

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
5:55 pm

Bro, yes today is a great time to put the past behind us.

And my theme going forward is forgiveness. Of others and myself.

This won’t come as any big surprise, but as god is my witness, I’ve hurt people in my life and vice versa. And yes that includes folks on this forum.

But I’ll be damned if I’m gonna stew over any of that stuff.

Like the song that I just linked says…

Please forgive me and forget it
I was wrong and I admit it

The truth is sweeeet…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSvm3DuhvKI

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
5:57 pm

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
5:58 pm

Jam

I have said my peace. I’m done with it now

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
5:58 pm

Dang JamVet,you are a musical genius! Do you play any instuments?

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:00 pm

josef

July 1st, 2012
6:01 pm

Howdy-do…

K’chak…
You’re “fried green tomatoes off the vine” has been a big hit with my folks… :-)

******

I see we’re still Sooth-Bruno-ing…I’m just sitting on the sidelines watching…

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Homemade fresh-off-the-tree peach pie and ice cream. Now that my duties are out of the way, a nice G&T…life is good.

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
6:05 pm

BOTH, one of the more difficult things for me is to see people that I care about go toe to toe.

Right after I enlisted in the service I got myself embroiled in fights between friends who wanted to go after each other. Not once, but twice! (What can I say? I’m a slow learner!) But learn a valuable lesson I did. I get to fight my own fights and sometimes I get to know when to stand back and let friends fight theirs. That is why I have not made the first peep about the Bruno and Sooth brouhaha.

.38 Special was another of those kickbutt southern bands that I just loved. One my faves of theirs…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq39zIWJaeU

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
6:06 pm

I have said my peace.I’m done with it now

GFY TBS! I know it’s hard to let things go but you just have to make yourself do it sometimes.And the music has begun! Thanks to Jam as usual.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
6:06 pm

Jam

Had this one carry me to work this morning…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxKWTzr-k6s

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
6:07 pm

That is why I have not made the first peep about the Bruno and Sooth brouhaha.

Both are cool with me, and that’s why my mindset is…

“my name’s Paul and that’s between y’all…”

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
6:10 pm

Hey josef! I hope you made gravy for those fried green maters.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:11 pm

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:14 pm

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
6:15 pm

Scoot, as a teenager, I took up the guitar. I had a couple of sweet ones too. A beautiful Epiphone acoustic and a killer Les Paul Deluxe. I got pretty decent but wasn’t very dedicated. (Even so, like John Lennon sang, “I got blisters on my fingers!”) Then after I got out of the military, I started my civilian career, got married and had a kid, so I made a really tough choice and sold them…

http://www.paulplumeri.com/guitars/05_lp_deluxe_cherry.jpg

BOTH, another one from that monster Atlantic Crossing LP…(Steve Cropper tearing it up on guitar.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR3DWqJqiLI

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
6:17 pm

I see we’re still Sooth-Bruno-ing…

Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays?

josef

July 1st, 2012
6:18 pm

SCOOT

Gravy? Nyah…never tried it. What kind of a gravy?

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
6:19 pm

Bro,this one carried me to the frig just a while ago!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpzqQst-Sg8

josef

July 1st, 2012
6:19 pm

K’chak
@ 6:17

:-)

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:20 pm

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:23 pm

Real scooter @ 6:19

That was funny and great tune

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs0epThTlpw

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
6:24 pm

Jam

PJ and STP have come the closest to making me regret I was born melanin enhanced and in Alabama instead of being melanin deficient and from the west. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuJtZRuoBPY&feature=related

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
6:25 pm

BOTH, I haven’t heard I Was Only Joking in forever. Thanks.

I remember sitting in a pub in Worcester in 1975 with my mom and recognizing that even she liked Rod Stewart! on the jukebox. Too funny…

josef

July 1st, 2012
6:26 pm

Well, since it’s back to music…I lie…I do have something to say about the interpersonal fracas du jour… :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GOYYbiEul0

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
6:27 pm

Bro,

I woulda made a good homie and you woulda made a good honkie!

LOL at both of us!

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
6:27 pm

Gravy? Nyah…never tried it. What kind of a gravy?

What i call sawmill gravy josef. Milk and flour in the grease you used for the maters.It’s good enough to make you slap your granma! Try it,you will like it.I promise

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
6:30 pm

This was the kinda stuff I tried to learn on that Epiphone…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4xp2lgiAjY&feature=related

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
6:30 pm

JamVet

July 1st, 2012
6:15 pm

You did better than me Jam.I tryed the clarinet in jr high and never made it past Mary had a little lamb. :lol:

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:33 pm

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:35 pm

josef

July 1st, 2012
6:36 pm

Rod? The man is totally awesome…he can do it all…this album is tremendous, imauo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76×2pVGsaME&feature=related

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
6:37 pm

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:23 pm

Good song TBS! Wasn’t there a band that did that song also?

RB from Gwinnett

July 1st, 2012
6:37 pm

Adam “And yet despite this and other evidence, he STILL thinks that employee turnover is ALL the employee’s fault.”

It is when they don’t show up for work repeatedly, which is the case for the majority of those our society call the “less fortunate”.

When in the hell are you going to share the results of that survey you’ve been pretending to do for at least 6 months? You do know at this point nobody would bother believing you actually did it don’t you?

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:37 pm

josef

July 1st, 2012
6:38 pm

Scootter…
I’m gonna have to try that…it’d be good with mashed taters served with the green damaters…

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:38 pm

Scooter

Not sure

MidoriLiz

July 1st, 2012
6:40 pm

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:40 pm

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
6:41 pm

Real Scootter

This one should make you go back…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-jOEAufDQ4

:)

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:43 pm

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
6:44 pm

Here’s what you have to do with Obama’s “change”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGgLPriZUSA

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:45 pm

josef @ 6:36

My mom as all those Rod remakes. Some pretty good stuff

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:48 pm

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:50 pm

Bro

Make sure you check out the 1st link @ 6:43

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
6:51 pm

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
6:41 pm

Tooo funny Bro! I’ve never heard that.

josef

July 1st, 2012
6:52 pm

midori

I LOVE those and that was one of the best ones yet! Thanks for the belly laughs… :-)

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
6:54 pm

Dang,y’all slow down.It takes me longer to post a song than it does to listen to one.Whew!

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:56 pm

Scooter

I usually listen to the songs other people post and only a few of mine, so I’m usually posting them pretty quick….

Given you an array of tunes as you sip on the brews

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh-5FI21s6M

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:58 pm

Midori

July 1st, 2012
7:00 pm

I love them too, Josef :lol:

Recon 0311 2533

July 1st, 2012
7:01 pm

We will know more next week but thus far Obama hasn’t received a bump up in the polls as a result of the Supreme Court decision but neither has Romney. It’s still a dead heat.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
7:05 pm

josef

July 1st, 2012
7:06 pm

Midori

Whoever is putting those together are absolute geniuses…

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
7:08 pm

godless heathen

July 1st, 2012
7:08 pm

IMHO, It is a mortal sin to slice up a home-grown tomato when it is still green. What a waste.

I went to the orchard last w/e and picked a 1/2 bushel of Red Globes. Picked ‘em myself and there wasn’t a bruise on a one of them when they got dead rip. Got them all in the freezer now, except the ones that went into the delicious ice-cream and cobbler I made today.

Started raining here about 1/2 hour ago. Suweet!

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
7:09 pm

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
6:56 pm

Never heard that TBS! I like it.

godless heathen

July 1st, 2012
7:09 pm

ripe not rip

Midori

July 1st, 2012
7:11 pm

Josef,

have you seen the Facebook one?

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
7:13 pm

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
7:15 pm

I woulda made a good homie and you woulda made a good honkie!

LOL at both of us!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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They BOTH

That AIC is straight righteous. I could listen to them all day.

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
7:17 pm

godless heathen

July 1st, 2012
7:08 pm

Dang boy,where you frum? Talk about a mortal sin! Freezin red globes?

stands for decibels

July 1st, 2012
7:20 pm

Can you just be men and say whatever happened before today is left in that half of the year?

Not that I took that to be particularly directed in my direction, but I do admit to being sucked into the soap-opera aspects of these comments section; it’s kind of hard not to, particularly when there are particular actors who work so very hard to be noticed.

But I do hear ya; focusing on listening to others and contributing what you can would be a smart thing for more of us to at least try to do.

anyway, I’m about to head out for a run (crazy, huh?). Later!

josef

July 1st, 2012
7:23 pm

Midori

Those are a riot!

Recon 0311 2533

July 1st, 2012
7:23 pm

It was good to hear first hand from Chief Warrant Officer Ronald Young in church today about his capture and rescue by Marine Corps Recon during 03 in the town of Samarra Iraq. Semper Fi

josef

July 1st, 2012
7:24 pm

SFD

You’re going to do WHAT? Are you frikken insane, Mate?

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
7:25 pm

They BOTH

Haven’t heard that Billie Jean before, and I’m a certified Jackson fan. That one’s pretty powerful. The Tool is a good one too. I’m gonna teach myself the guitar just to play Sober.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSs5QggRUk

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Real Scootter

My daughter came in while I was playing that Psychostick. As a result, I had to listen to that song about 5 times in a row.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
7:26 pm

anyway, I’m about to head out for a run (crazy, huh?). Later!

No running here. I’m looking at raindrops the size of nickels.

josef

July 1st, 2012
7:28 pm

BROSEPHUS

” I had to listen to that song about 5 times in a row.”

Oh, lemme tell ya, those days have just begun… :-)

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
7:32 pm

My daughter came in while I was playing that Psychostick. As a result, I had to listen to that song about 5 times in a row.

Hail fire Bro! I had to break out the bong. :lol:

godless heathen

July 1st, 2012
7:33 pm

Dang boy,where you frum? Talk about a mortal sin! Freezin red globes?

Ate all I could. Been real regular this week. But they be good frozen. Probably go back and get some more to can.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
7:41 pm

Hiya Midori! :wink:

Holy crap that was hilarious.

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
7:42 pm

Ate all I could. Been real regular this week. But they be good frozen. Probably go back and get some more to can.

I hear ya on the regular thing gh! I can go with canning but have honestly nver heard of freezing.

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
7:42 pm

josef

If I could list the videos we watched between my posts, you’d laugh your a$$ off. It went from a song about beer to the Muppets “Ma na ma na”, Animal vs Buddy Rich drumming, Sheila E. drumming, and finished off with The Double Dutch Bus.

josef

July 1st, 2012
7:43 pm

Heathen

Canned is the way to go…used to sneak down to Granny’s storm house, get a quart jar, sneak out the salt and black pepper and a bowl, and eat ‘em up in hiding…she didn’t take highly to not telling her before you took some of her canning….

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
7:44 pm

Bro

You probably have seen this one already….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT_zo9MzRvo

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
7:44 pm

Started raining here about 1/2 hour ago. Suweet!

No running here. I’m looking at raindrops the size of nickels.

No offense, but FOAD!

josef

July 1st, 2012
7:45 pm

Where the hell is that rain y’all keep talking about…none here…would that there were…

josef

July 1st, 2012
7:45 pm

Yeah, what K’chak said @ 7:44 :-)

Recon 0311 2533

July 1st, 2012
7:46 pm

Goodness, run in the early morning or late evening. It’s too hot out there now but then again I can remember way back when running in 90 plus degree heat chanting cadence “recon, ranger, UDT we all came from the infantry”.

josef

July 1st, 2012
7:48 pm

BROSEPHUS

My grandbabies love that muppets one, too…

SCOOTTER

Don’t freeze tomatoes? They do real well…and if you know what you’re doing (and Mama did) you can freeze green ones, too…

Course in this day and age, you can get plenty green ones all year round…

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
7:49 pm

No offense, but FOAD!

Only when the Mrs. is at home… :twisted: :lol:

Actually, she got hit by golf ball size (her estimate) hail, so I’m waiting on her to get home so I can check out the truck. I could hear it hitting the truck when I was on the phone with her.

Recon 0311 2533

July 1st, 2012
7:53 pm

Sure could use some rain but so far no signs of any around Cumming.

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
7:58 pm

Recon 0311 2533

July 1st, 2012
7:46 pm

Dang Del,you should have joinrd the USAF like I did.If it got to hot to run all you had to do is whine and they would send you to do KP or Scadron laundry! :lol:

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
8:00 pm

SoCo/Bro

I was working in the Acworth/Kennesaw area quite a few years ago and was hit with baseball/softball sized hail

Not a pretty sight and $1500 damage on my truck.

granny godzilla

July 1st, 2012
8:01 pm

good lord almighty!

it’s a tie.

some nincompoops, some sociopaths. no surprises.

ask me my favorite? g’head ask me.

a phone call at about 10:20 that morning grudgingly congratulatory complete with a grocey list.

god bless america.

stay cool.

Recon 0311 2533

July 1st, 2012
8:04 pm

Real Scooter,

When and if I reach that big patrol base in the sky I’ll request a transfer to the USAF. Thanks for the tip.

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
8:05 pm

granny godzilla

July 1st, 2012
8:01 pm

Did I miss something or have I had too much beer?

Oscar

July 1st, 2012
8:11 pm

Nineteen weeks and two days.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
8:13 pm

If I had ears on my cornstalks, I be picking up popcorn off the ground now.

Just sayin’.

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
8:16 pm

You are welcome for the tip Recon!
I served during the”conflict” and was as safe as in the Boy Scouts and ate better too.
Thanks for covering my azz!

Real Scootter

July 1st, 2012
8:18 pm

If I had ears on my cornstalks, I be picking up popcorn off the ground now.

ROFLMAO Kam!!!! That’s HOT

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
8:18 pm

Kam

The damage factor is what I’m worried about. It didn’t sound like it fell for a long time, and I know there was no broken glass. She couldn’t tell whether there were any dents at the time. She was more worried, and rightfully so, about glass breakage.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 1st, 2012
8:21 pm

Headline: “Recent Athens incidents show people more ready to defend selves, property”

“These and other recent cases involve very different facts, but one theme resonates as a common denominator: citizens seem more ready these days to protect themselves or others who may be in mortal danger by using a gun,” Carlson said.

Citizens are bombarded every day by media reports of crime in their own towns and elsewhere.

“People have grown tired of crime and are willing to confront it,” Carlson said.”

http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2012-06-30/recent-athens-incidents-show-people-more-ready-defend-selves-property#.T_DkExSDrKI.email

godless heathen

July 1st, 2012
8:22 pm

On Bradley’s blog someone posted: It was so hot at Turner Field today that the pizza was warm.

0.7 inches of rain here and it’s still raining. Eat it suckas!!!!!!

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
8:24 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
8:25 pm

SoCo/Bro

It’s probably not too bad then, maybe even barely noticeable. I’d still take it to a professional and have it inspected and documented.

Redneck Convert (R--and ;proud of it)

July 1st, 2012
8:26 pm

Well, I say the most over the top response to the Activist Court ruling was the one I saw up at Billy Bob’s last night. Some guy was saying the SC ruling wasn’t so bad. Then Bubba Snedegar come up from behind and brung a beer bottle down right on top of his head. And while the guy was on the floor Bubba flung his wallet at him and said “Here, if you’re going to rob me to pay the insurance of a bunch of bums you might as well go all the way.” Anyway, folks sure are touchy about this Obamacare.

I’m awful glad the trailer’s got air conditioning. You could fry a egg on the top of that old washing machine out in the front yard. See you tomorrow everybody.

Recon 0311 2533

July 1st, 2012
8:35 pm

0311/8541,

I was in Greece, Pilos Greece up on the Albanian border just before Vietnam broke out. The local people were friendly but kept their distance for the most part. A far different country now.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
8:36 pm

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
8:40 pm

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
8:46 pm

Adam

July 1st, 2012
8:47 pm

RB: When in the hell are you going to share the results of that survey you’ve been pretending to do for at least 6 months? You do know at this point nobody would bother believing you actually did it don’t you?

Ha! I already knew YOU wouldn’t believe me. But I am doing exactly what you wanted. I have ASKED the business owners and managers. While I knew you wouldn’t ever believe the results anyway, I didn’t know you would pretend that you cared about the time frame. Kudos to you for making up a reason to invalidate results you haven’t even seen yet.

But in case you’re curious about what you might expect to see from the opinions of business owners and managers, here is something for you to read:

http://guides.wsj.com/management/recruiting-hiring-and-firing/how-to-reduce-employee-turnover/

Notice not a single aspect of that indicates YOUR contention that employees are just lazy. Successful managers know that treating their employees like scum, even just in their minds, is bad business. But apparently you’ve been “successful” despite that. So kudos to you. Carry on.

Mike

July 1st, 2012
8:48 pm

Freedom is not being tied down to a single employer for your health insurance, especially if you have a “pre-existing condition”. And, those are defined anyway the insurance company wants to, if you live in Georgia.

Free at last!!!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

July 1st, 2012
8:48 pm

Recon 0311 2533 :

Yep ……….. I would hate to be there now.

Adam

July 1st, 2012
8:53 pm

HEADLINE: Obamacare Support Rises After Supreme Court Ruling, Poll Finds

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/01/obamacare-supreme-court-ruling_n_1641560.html

If that trend keeps up I expect Republicans to drop this like $5 gas!

Mary Elizabeth

July 1st, 2012
9:19 pm

I highly recommend that any reader – who is interested in an in depth discussion of America’s idealism, spirituality, the thinking of our founding fathers as well as Lincoln’s and Frederick Douglass’ – listen to this hour presentation, through interview, with philosopher and professor, Jacob Needleman, as presented, today, on Public Radio. See link, below:

http://www.onbeing.org/program/inward-work-democracy-jacob-needleman/222/extraaudio?embed=1

Brosephus™

July 1st, 2012
9:29 pm

I figure this is how most of America will look whle they are watching the presidential debates this fall.

http://tinyurl.com/76ouqs5

getalife

July 1st, 2012
9:42 pm

Business is great at the local casino. Hotel is open and packed full of tourists.

My Indian friends are mad at me because I broke even and did not donate.

Well, except for dinner and tips.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
9:50 pm

Water is now falling from the sky!

Cool beans!

Adam

July 1st, 2012
9:51 pm

Adam

July 1st, 2012
9:52 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il1vY2IQATs

Excessive celebration. Yep. That’s me.

HAPPY UPHELD WEEKEND, EVERYONE!

AtlJack

July 1st, 2012
10:06 pm

The crazies will eventually disappear. A few years ago signs saying: “Get US Out of The UN were opted everywhere- now they’re gone.
There were kooks called The John Birch Society-they’re gone too.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

July 1st, 2012
10:06 pm

Well, that was short lived.

^&*(*&%$$# $%^) and (*%#%&* )*$#@!@#! and !@%&*&$!!&er!!!!!!!!!

Just sayin’.

They BOTH suck

July 1st, 2012
10:10 pm

stands for decibels

July 1st, 2012
10:22 pm

You’re going to do WHAT? Are you frikken insane, Mate?

It wasn’t so bad–heavily shaded path. Yeah, it was 98 or so in the shade at the start, but as the sun faded and a breeze kicked up it was like most any summer run.

/drive-by

Jm

July 1st, 2012
11:35 pm

Tbs

You need to “unplug” pal

In the name of a certain poster

Get a life

G Mare

July 1st, 2012
11:37 pm

Jm, you need to lighten up. :)

Tom Middleton

July 2nd, 2012
12:14 am

For anyone interested, here’s a list of 21 lies Mitt told while campaigning last week. And with that off my mind for the good of us all, now I can sleep. I mean, “ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free, right”? Not with Mitt in charge! :)

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/29/12483552-chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xxiv?lite

FruitNewt

July 2nd, 2012
12:42 am

@AtlJack

No, the John Birchers didn’t go away—you just don’t see them anymore. Now they are called “the Koch brothers” and are major, major donors to the Republicans. Look them up; you’ll see the John Birch Society there alright.

Oscar

July 2nd, 2012
12:58 am

Mary Elizabeth

July 1st, 2012
9:19 pm
_____________

The thinking of men that were alive in 1789 is of some interest, and Lincole is a historical character, but only in relative terms. There are other thinkers as well.
And we have problems that they could not comtempla. They had to find imperfect ways to deal with probems of their day.
And we have to find ways to deal with problems of our time.

seabeau

July 2nd, 2012
5:24 am

Its time for the States to call for Constitutional Convention to renew the restrainsts on the Federal Government crafted by the Founders, but destoryed by the Civil War. Its either that or blood in the streets. Remember liberals,diversity has another name,Balkinization!

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

July 2nd, 2012
5:57 am

“Remember liberals,diversity has another name,Balkinization!”

Balkanization is actually the exact opposite of diversity, ya numpty.

it refers to BREAKING UP into homogenous areas rather than bringing the diverse areas together.

sheesh.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 2nd, 2012
6:37 am

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 2nd, 2012
6:39 am

Sorry ’bout that…go to bad lip reading and listen…ver’ funny!

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 2nd, 2012
6:42 am

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 2nd, 2012
6:43 am

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 2nd, 2012
6:47 am

Misty Fyed

July 2nd, 2012
7:01 am

I liked Florida’s response.. We’re just not going to do it. I hope other states join in on that.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 2nd, 2012
7:06 am

Misty Fyed

July 2nd, 2012
7:01 am

Me too. Then the federal Government can arrest their Governors, make them submit, and then there will be even more Federal power in the States. More is better, right?

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

July 2nd, 2012
7:11 am

Yep, Misty, for every GOP governor who holds back health care for his state an opportunity for the Democrats is created.

It’s a great idea.

Mary Elizabeth

July 2nd, 2012
7:18 am

Oscar, 12:58 am

What you say is true. Why would you assume I do not realize this? There are many routes to enlightenment. If you take the time to listen to the Needleman interview, I think you will find it enlightening.

The deeper one delves into any area of knowledge, or understanding, the more enlightened one becomes. It is not a matter of expanse of knowledge, but of depth of knowledge, or understanding. I have a teacher’s innate propensity to want to share thinking of quality which I discover. I shared the link to Needleman’s interview, which I heard for the first time yesterday afternoon, with readers on this blog because most of the topics he discussed had been explored, recently, by others on this blog.

I hope that you, and others, will take the time to listen to Needleman’s thoughts. I think you will find his thinking rewarding.

Mary Elizabeth

July 2nd, 2012
7:22 am

P. S. And problems are better solved – with lasting results – by enlightened minds, in prior times of history, as well as now.

stands for decibels

July 2nd, 2012
7:26 am

Its time for the States to call for Constitutional Convention to renew the restrainsts on the Federal Government crafted by the Founders, but destoryed by the Civil War.

heh. yep, better 147 years late than never.

You get right to work on that, y’hear?

stands for decibels

July 2nd, 2012
7:29 am

the federal Government can arrest their Governors

It’ll make for some nice news pieces coupla weeks after the general election, when we’ll need some diversions from the post-holiday blues I guess.

stands for decibels

July 2nd, 2012
7:30 am

someone help me out here–I’m too lazy to look it up–if the individual states don’t submit their own exchanges, doesn’t the PPACA simply substitute one from the Federales, anyway?

I’m assuming that this is just BS posturing on the part of a-holes like the bald freak from Florida.

Jm

July 2nd, 2012
7:37 am

Sfd 7:30 first para

I believe you are correct

Jm

July 2nd, 2012
7:44 am

“Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?’”

If you believe taxing non activity is way beyond absurd, probably yes.

It would just be better to work your tail off through the political process though.

Emigration is also a rational response.

TiredOfIt

July 2nd, 2012
7:44 am

The problem with republicans is they get the political views from entertainers, yet they hate Hollywood. I wonder where they get the medical opinions from; Grey’s Anatomy or House?

Jm

July 2nd, 2012
7:51 am

” I wonder where they get the medical opinions from; Grey’s Anatomy or House?”

No. From doctors.

Another case of simple answers to stupid questions.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

July 2nd, 2012
7:51 am

I’m still struggling with the idea that this record breaking legislation in now law despite public opinion against it…..I’m fearful this will cost all of you in support of President Trillion as the fallout will likely cost him re-election…this new tax is going to hurt every one of us…

It will not make healthcare more affordable but will in fact increase our costs up to 40%….the taxes on investment income et al are not immaterial…..

Jm

July 2nd, 2012
7:54 am

Stevie

I just found out that our company is likely to end our HSA plan due to the legislation being found constitutional

What did Obama say about no changes? I look forward to finding out our premium increases.

Obama lies. In his defense, he is a dirtbag politician.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

July 2nd, 2012
7:58 am

“I just found out that our company is likely to end our HSA plan due to the legislation being found constitutional”

Really?

Then you work for a dunderhead.

Career envy?

Jm

July 2nd, 2012
8:02 am

“Then you work for a dunderhead.” nope

“career envy?”. None

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

July 2nd, 2012
8:03 am

JM,

Two of my customers that employ collectively over 40,000 requested calculation of 5-year cost to pay tax per employee plus small stipend to offset 12K per employee benefits expense. If they pursue, employees will need to get healthcare from exhange at 8K less than current pooled employer cost.

The winners in this deal are: kids between 18 and 26, those with pre-existing conditions (not insurance), health insurers, the IRS, and large heathcare providers.

The losers are: employees, particularly of mid sized companies, tax payers who will have to endure another trillion of deficit spending/additional taxes, physicians, and all seeking access in an environment with a further reduction of physicians….bad law all around.

Jm

July 2nd, 2012
8:04 am

Granny – no final verdict

Being discussed whether they can find a way to keep it

GT

July 2nd, 2012
8:08 am

I think the media has done a horrible job, sometimes on purpose, communicating this law and others to the public. They allow the misinformation to stay out there and many times I really don’t think they understand themselves what the law says. We got a sample of their work on Thursday morning, but it goes deeper than that. There use to be a dependability in the country that the press and networks would inform us on matters of this nature, now in interviews the interviewer is silent as the interviewee goes through talking points that don’t answer the question asked.

This is not the biggest or most massive tax increases in the history of our country. How can senators vote on the bill with all the information given to them and then come back and say if you had told me this was a tax, like they had been tricked. If that is all it takes to trick a US Senator with all his resources the public pays to educate him we now see what a lobbyist can do with these handicapped men and women that are there for our security and protection.

Jm

July 2nd, 2012
8:08 am

Stevie 8:03 agreed, there are winners and losers

From an income standpoint, the poor will benefit significantly (which I generally deem to be good if done in the right way, but this is not), the wealthy are big losers, the working class are small losers

The law is redistribution via healthcare

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

July 2nd, 2012
8:10 am

GRANNY,

Thanks once again for such intellectually stimulating contribution to a discussion….we can always count on you…

Jm

July 2nd, 2012
8:11 am

Gt

It’s a 2000 page document

The reason there is a lot of confusion is because the law itself is confusing

The law frequently contradicts itself

That’s what happens when you write exceedingly long and complex legislation

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

July 2nd, 2012
8:12 am

Find a way to keep it?

They don’t have to fund any of it…you work for a dunderhead.

So sorry about that….I did briefly years ago and know what it’s like

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

July 2nd, 2012
8:12 am

Stevie Ray..good thing too….as we can’t count on you.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

July 2nd, 2012
8:13 am

JM,

Yes I did forget the biggest benefactors those recieving vouchers…I’m actually ok with providing coverage to those not covered…just think the feds and the IRS are not the right ones to control….residual market mechanisms (assigned risk for auto cover for example) that are financed via premium taxes I think a better approach…will drive up costs but the increases will be finite and accountable as opposed to being infinite and political.

larry

July 2nd, 2012
8:14 am

No. From doctors.

Like Dr. Broun, Dr. Price, Dr Kingston, etc. etc,

Some doctors .

DoubleM

July 2nd, 2012
8:15 am

None of these hysterical conservatives seem to remember that the Affordable Care Act was initially a healthcare plan created by Republicans. This plan was formulated at the conservative think-tank Heritage Foundation, and was touted by Republicans as the solution to the health care crisis. The plan stresses personal responsibility for healthcare, rather than allowing the uninsured to pass on their healthcare costs to those that pay for insurance, and was implemented by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts. Sounds like something conservatives would support, right?

Except, of course, when it is proposed by that “Kenyan Socialist” Obama…

larry

July 2nd, 2012
8:17 am

Well, thanks to the ruling, my small business boss got to keep his tax credit, along with 360,000 other small businesses that provided health care to their employees.

It was a win, win all the way around.

Jm

July 2nd, 2012
8:18 am

Double m 8:15 90% lies

stands for decibels

July 2nd, 2012
8:20 am

Balkanization is actually the exact opposite of diversity, ya numpty.

UnU, a wise man once taught that we should give not that which is holy unto the dorks, neither cast ye your pearls before numpties, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Probably a good lesson plan here.

Jm

July 2nd, 2012
8:21 am

Granny, since you don’t seem to understand the HSA problem, take a glance at this

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ObamaCare-Rule-May-Bar-HSAs-ibd-3228396715.html

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
8:21 am

I saw some Republicans on the Sunday morning shows (how can you not? They are ALWAYS on there with their talking points). They ACTUALLY BELIEVE that governors denying medicaid expansion to their citizens will cause their citizens to vote Republican, because they think poor people will blame the Democrats for their governor’s obstinance.

larry

July 2nd, 2012
8:21 am

Except, of course, when it is proposed by that “Kenyan Socialist” Obama…

Yep, funny isnt it, an idea that the Republicans like, the President comes along, says ” Hey, i like that idea, too. Lets get to work” Then the Republicans say ” Well, it wasnt that good of an idea after all.”

Just proves the point that their only mission was not to govern, but it was to obstruct with the idea to make the President a one-termer. So far, it isn’t working out so well for them.

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
8:23 am

This weekend, if Rasmussen is to be given any credibility at all, they will poll on Obamacare repeal again. Let’s see what happens….

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/01/obamacare-supreme-court-ruling_n_1641560.html

FACT CHECK: On keeping your current health plan

July 2nd, 2012
8:24 am

WASHINGTON — In promoting the health care law, President Barack Obama is repeating his persistent and unsubstantiated assurance that Americans who like their health insurance can simply keep it. Republican rival Mitt Romney says quite the opposite, but his doomsday scenario is a stretch.

After the Supreme Court upheld the law last week, Obama stepped forward to tell Americans what good will come from it. Romney was quick to lay out the harm. But some of the evidence they gave to the court of public opinion was suspect.

A look at their claims and how they compare with the facts:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120702/us-health-care-fact-check/

stands for decibels

July 2nd, 2012
8:27 am

I just found out that our company is likely to end our HSA plan due to the legislation being found constitutional

Kindly provide details on just what it was about your health insurance program that was all-of-a-sudden rendered inoperable due to the individual mandate being held as constitutional?

because the provisions in the PPACA that limit the amount of deductables (basically, it bans crappy insurance plans, which is what most HSAs are unless you don’t actually NEED insurance) have nothing to do with an individual mandate, and would’ve survived unless the SCOTUS had rendered the mandate unseverable.

kayaker 71

July 2nd, 2012
8:27 am

So, now we have the Bush tax cuts expiring in January, Bozocare kicks in with a tax that is not a tax and who gets hurt? Those struggling with loss of a job who are middle class taxpayers and do not need a huge tax increase at this time in their lives. The average tax bill goes up about $500/month. Oh, and I forgot….. “For those making 250K or less, your taxes will not increase…. not one thin dime”. “You can keep your doctor”. “You can keep your insurance company”. “The ACA will “only” cost the American taxpayer 940B dollars”. All lies. And you libs are comfortable letting the government have control of healthcare in this country? The same government that lies, deceives and bribes those who get in it’s way. Chicago thug politics at it’s best/worst run by the biggest thug of all time. And you vote for this arrogant idiot.

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
8:27 am

Five Thirty Eight is predicting almost 300 electoral votes for Obama. These are the same guys that accurately predicted a Republican sweep of the House in 2010, Democrat slim hold in Senate, and that Walker would win his recall.

USMC

July 2nd, 2012
8:27 am

Great article for those of you who espouse Socialism:

NY Times article: What’s a Socialist?
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/sunday-review/whats-a-socialist.xml;jsessionid=D38BC8CAEDF33FB446E52DE6F9AB62D1?rec=t

It describes Jay and the rest of you to a “T” :-)

TiredOfIt

July 2nd, 2012
8:27 am

Obama announces that breathing is fundamental to life, republican’s hold their breath.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

July 2nd, 2012
8:28 am

Y’all may remember that I posted a letter from Isakson concerning the anti-bullying against school age Gay Children bill. I thought his response was dumb, but this one is truly…well, you read it and decide…

Dear Mr. (Normal):

Thank you for contacting me regarding LGBT youth. It is an honor to serve you as the representative of the Sixth District of Georgia.

Your concerns regarding LGBT youth are appreciated. As Congress continues to develop an all around education plan, we must closely examine better avenues to ensure that we curb discrimination in our education system. There is no place in our schools for any type of discrimination. I assure you that education is an issue that is of utmost importance to me. I believe that there is no better investment for the well-being of our children and our country than education.

Thank you again for contacting me. Please know I will keep your views in mind as Congress continues to address this issue. For further information, please visit my website. tom.house.gov.

Your truly,
Tom Price, MD
Member of Congress.

He’s good at this too…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLqKVnNpQ4s

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
8:28 am

FACT CHECK: If you like your current plan it gets an upgrade, or you can find a better one somewhere else. If your insurance company goes under it wasn’t a good one to begin with.

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
8:29 am

stands: Kindly provide details on just what it was about your health insurance program that was all-of-a-sudden rendered inoperable due to the individual mandate being held as constitutional?

Profit.

JamVet

July 2nd, 2012
8:29 am

None of these hysterical conservatives seem to remember that the Affordable Care Act was initially a healthcare plan created by Republicans. This plan was formulated at the conservative think-tank Heritage Foundation, and was touted by Republicans as the solution to the health care crisis. The plan stresses personal responsibility for healthcare, rather than allowing the uninsured to pass on their healthcare costs to those that pay for insurance, and was implemented by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts.

Double, why do you think that the Flip Flop Party is getting ready to nominate the paragon of their “flexible virtues” Willard “I was for it before I was against it” Romney?

People who know and worked with him say that they cannot even recognize this guy anymore. His neocon transformation has become that complete.

The man is sellout and principle-free coward who will do and say ANYTHING to get a few more votes…

JamVet

July 2nd, 2012
8:31 am

USMC, you realize that the joke is on you, right?

Because whenever you are asked what is in one of these links that you provide, you have no clue. (After probably the first sentence or two anyway.)

Reading is fundamental! And ADD can be treated…

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

July 2nd, 2012
8:33 am

JAMVET et al…

IMO it is irrelevant which “side” originally sold this bill of goods…what matters is that the numbers work against all of us….except for those currently unisured, health insurers, the IRS, and large hospital operators who will not collect 100% of revenue as opposed to 80%..

Mick

July 2nd, 2012
8:34 am

yaker

Why is your glass perpetually half full? Better yet, it always seems to be quite empty…

larry

July 2nd, 2012
8:34 am

Please know I will keep your views in mind as Congress continues to address this issue.

I’m pretty sure the mad doctor will do just that.

Sounded like what Dr. Broun told me. Before i was drawn out of his district. Thank you God.

Paul

July 2nd, 2012
8:37 am

Gov Jindal was on Meet the Press, said how Obamacare was a gargantuan tax increase. Moderator said, just a minute, when a similar plan was instituted in Massachusetts, only 2 percent of households chose to pay the penalty rather than get insurance. So how can you call it a gargantuan tax increase?

Jindal said… umm. it’s government telling you what you can do!!!

Then flipped to Fox. Florida AG, one of leaders in the suit, said about the same talking point “this is the biggest tax increase etc etc’ and the host said ‘wow….”

One host does homework and challenges, other host serves as a foil and listens politely.

I’m interested to see how this plays out. Republicans: it’s the biggest tax increase in the history of the universe! Democrats: 1 or 2 percent of households who don’t want to get insurance and make you pay for their ER visits will pay a few hundred bucks.

Jm

July 2nd, 2012
8:38 am

Sfd

The HSA (which I love) is not related to the individual mandate

If the whole law had been struck down, the HSA issue would not exist

Read the yahoo finance article above

godless heathen

July 2nd, 2012
8:41 am

larry: Well, thanks to the ruling, my small business boss got to keep his tax credit, along with 360,000 other small businesses that provided health care to their employees.

Corporate welfare. I’m glad the benevolent Federal Government ($1.5 trillion in debt) was able to help you out. You can thank our grandchildren when they get to pay the bill.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

July 2nd, 2012
8:41 am

“neither cast ye your pearls before numpties, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you”

I know, I know, I know …

the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result

Jm

July 2nd, 2012
8:41 am

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
8:42 am

Paul: Gov Jindal was on Meet the Press, said how Obamacare was a gargantuan tax increase. Moderator said, just a minute, when a similar plan was instituted in Massachusetts, only 2 percent of households chose to pay the penalty rather than get insurance. So how can you call it a gargantuan tax increase?

Jindal said… umm. it’s government telling you what you can do!!!

That f***er also just cut all state library funding. And he always cuts health care and education EVERY YEAR.

GT

July 2nd, 2012
8:43 am

Jm the major networks got it right. You have ,or use to, an obligation to the public to not put out this kind of misinformation. The public has gravitated to what they want to believe instead reality and there are plenty of facilitators for this pleasure.

The free world was created by a free press. The modern press has gone rogue. Nothing free about it, it goes to the highest bidder or ratings. How can we expect a moral country when the pillars of this country have sold out? Instead of fighting it the right rolls in it as a means to their purpose. They have invaded the church the same way. The one place they see progressiveness as vogue. Mega churches have taken over community churches, casual over formal, make it easy on them. Over 50% of marriages end in divorce, and not all people get married. Profile the average American over the average American 50 years or even 20 years ago. Labels such as Christian or conservative are cheap now days. Hope is not there anymore, it is on the other side.

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
8:43 am

godless: You can thank our grandchildren when they get to pay the bill.

Are you saying they will be able to afford their own health insurance and choose not to get it, therefore be subject to the mandate and therefore be paying the bill?

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

July 2nd, 2012
8:43 am

USMC – well, gosh, when you change the definition of what socialism actually IS, then gee, even my dog is socialist!

but, beware – if your side gets to play that game, so does ours … do you REALLY want us to define you arbitrarily???

PJ

July 2nd, 2012
8:44 am

TiredOfIt @8:27 am

Thank you for my ist laugh this morning.

And speaking of the Sunday talk show did anyone else see Brit Hume scream, “Whaaaaat!’, like a little girl on FoxNewsSunday because he disagreed with a comment. Priceless!.

stands for decibels

July 2nd, 2012
8:44 am

If the whole law had been struck down, the HSA issue would not exist

Read the yahoo finance article above

Skimmed the first coupla grafs, but I don’t have to–I’m already well aware of the PPACA’s regulation of high deductable plans, which that article explains.

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
8:44 am

USinUK: do you REALLY want us to define you arbitrarily???

They aren’t worried about that because they have control of the media.

See CNN and Fox for “The mandate was struck down.”

Paul

July 2nd, 2012
8:45 am

Was watching another panel show and a “Republicans can replace with something better person” was asked “with what?” and he said ‘refundable tax credits instead of the mandate.”

So explain this to me, please. A favorite Republican line is “half the people don’t pay any income tax.”

So if you give them a refundable tax credit when they don’t pay income tax, do you give them a check? So you retain and expand the pool of people who don’t pay tax?

How do you pay for it, Republican replacers? Raise taxes on someone else. Cut which program? Or do you deficit fund it?

One good thing about this decision coming four months before the election, it gives plenty of opportunities for Republicans to get specific and watch their talking point papers end up looking like Swiss cheese.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

July 2nd, 2012
8:46 am

Adam – “See CNN and Fox for “The mandate was struck down.””

that wasn’t due to control – that was due to incompetance

the rush to be first makes people stop actually, you know, ANALYZING …

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

July 2nd, 2012
8:46 am

Hi Pauly!!! Hope you and Mrs. Paul had a good weekend :-)

JamVet

July 2nd, 2012
8:47 am

IMO it is irrelevant which “side” originally sold this bill of goods..

That you are not remotely concerned about these serial liars, does not change the facts.

The neoconservative movement has proven over and over and over, that they will – exactly like Mitt – say and do ANYTHING to take advantage of the politics. They have demonstrated the gymnastic like ability to change courses on a whim. To wit, their beloved war on terror? Did you not notice how they suddenly seemed VERY war weary on January 21,2009? And VERY concerned about US military interventions around the globe.

I, for one, am completely disgusted with their shape-shifting “integrity” and their situational “ethics”.

So excuse while I throw up thinking about their shameless cowardice and endless Party before Country antics.

Off to pay for the plutocracy.

SINGLE PAYER NOW.

stands for decibels

July 2nd, 2012
8:47 am

It describes Jay and the rest of you to a “T”

It describes most of the civilized world, actually. Might want to consider joining it.

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
8:47 am

USinUK: Ok fine but still, CNN is conservative media. Erin Burnett went on a tirade about how everyone loses with Obamacare, and her reasoning was filled with lies and half truths.

Paul

July 2nd, 2012
8:48 am

USMC

“Great article for those of you who espouse Socialism:”

You’re on the wrong blog for that. Unless you can point to ‘those’ who have said they prefer socialism.

I know, I know. They’re not here. They’re all in Kenya looking for hidden birth certificates.

stands for decibels

July 2nd, 2012
8:49 am

Profit.

…ok. Actually, that’s always Step 3, as in:

Step one: impose crappy high-deductable HSAs

Step two: ???????????

Step three: Profit!

(you can substitute just about any silly right wing scheme for Step One. Works every time.)

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
8:50 am

Paul: Depends on the context. With education and health care I absolutely prefer a socialized structure. With most other things, not so much. But frankly I want to see a good, well-funded, and well operated (like Medicare) health care system. Education needs something similar. Minimum standards per student, no matter where they live.

Paul

July 2nd, 2012
8:50 am

USinUK

Yes, thank you. One of the kids with his little girls came in, then birthday on Wed, another son with his little boys coming for that, then Mrs Paul’s birthday a few days later, then it’s off for a three-week holiday.

Looks like you’ve been cooking up a storm! Did you have a good weekend, also?

TiredOfIt

July 2nd, 2012
8:51 am

USMC “Great article for those of you who espouse Socialism:”

“The United States already employs several forms of socialized medicine. The Veteran’s Administration healthcare system is one example; veterans can take advantage of the healthcare offered by the system, as long as they see only VA doctors in VA facilities.

Even HMOs (Health Maintenance Organizations) are socialized, although not always by the government. If a patient participates in an HMO, then the HMO tells them which doctors they can see and which facilities they must access for care. This is true for private HMOs, such as the Kaiser system in California. It’s also true for Tricare, which is a U.S. government healthcare organization used by military families and retired military.”

See Mitt Romney Promote an Individual Mandate

July 2nd, 2012
8:51 am

Joseph

July 2nd, 2012
8:52 am

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

July 2nd, 2012
8:53 am

Paul – I did – made a big-a$$ batch of the sassy summer jam and painted the mister’s office yesterday (because, as a wife, I rock). found a FAB pub out our way for the next time you and Mrs. Paul are in town! the food is K-I-L-L-E-R

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

July 2nd, 2012
8:53 am

Oh, and give my best to Mrs. Paul – it sounds like you’re having a fantastic 4th with the fam! :-)

godless heathen

July 2nd, 2012
8:53 am

Are you saying they will be able to afford their own health insurance and choose not to get it, therefore be subject to the mandate and therefore be paying the bill?

I’m saying that ACA is going to cost a lot of $$$ that the government doesn’t have.

stands for decibels

July 2nd, 2012
8:54 am

Hey, Joseph? I’ll see your 8.52 and raise ya…

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/29/12483552-chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xxiv?lite

it’s the 24th (!) in a series, and sure to grow much, much longer as Mitt keeps on fibbing.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

July 2nd, 2012
8:54 am

Adam – “Erin Burnett went on a tirade about how everyone loses with Obamacare, and her reasoning was filled with lies and half truths.”

meanwhile FOX did 5 great things about Obamacare …

nutty, I tells ya!

Paul

July 2nd, 2012
8:54 am

Adam 8:50

See, that’s the difference I see here between the competing viewpoints. One says “you’re all socialists” and the other responds “for these kinds of programs, which we’ve had for generations, yes, I am. But what about you? You and your fellow bloggers whose monikers indicate you had a similar life were/are all part of an organization in which you participate(d) in one of the largest socialized medicine programs this country has ever seen! To which they reply “I’m not a socialist! That’s not socialism! I earned it! I read all about it in a foxhole!!!”

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
8:55 am

godless: I’m saying that ACA is going to cost a lot of $$$ that the government doesn’t have.

But what about all those TAXES that are in it? Are you saying those don’t exist? Or that those taxes really aren’t so bad after all?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

July 2nd, 2012
8:55 am

JAMVET,

I guess it doesn’t matter to you or anyone who simply wants to bash the party they disagree with….I”m interested in outcomes…

BTW, all politicians lie to some extent and think one party lies or contradicts itself more than another is nuts…ie the 17 DEMS who voted for contempt charges solely to retain NRA cash….look no further for evidence that the system is conflicted to serving our best interests…

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
8:58 am

Paul: In the end, socialized medicine for veterans is basically a contract. A contract with a government that some of them ACTIVELY are trying to tear down. The idea is: You risk your life, sometimes you get hurt, sometimes you don’t, but either way we will take care of you out of the goodness of our hearts for helping defend our country. And “our” and “us” means every taxpayer. The government is the taxpayers, and they pay for YOU to have health care.

That’s socialism. From each according to their ability, to the veterans according to their need.

stands for decibels

July 2nd, 2012
8:58 am

that wasn’t due to control – that was due to incompetance

the rush to be first makes people stop actually, you know, ANALYZING …

I really, really, REALLY wish there were a voluntary ban in DC on watching cable news between now and the end of, say, November.

(November 2014, maybe.)

From what I understand, everyone has those dumbass channels turned on 24/7 in their offices. Even the fzckin’ President bought, for a minute, the early-report nonsense.

arghhh.

Paul

July 2nd, 2012
8:58 am

USinUK

Saw the jam recipe. Mmmmmm….

“made a big-a$$ batch of the sassy summer jam and painted the mister’s office yesterday (because, as a wife, I rock)”

But a question: once you painted the mister’s office with it, was it still sticky when it dried? And doesn’t his tongue stick to the walls?

Yes, you DO rock!

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
9:00 am

Paul: And as I mentioned. I have no problem with socialism in medicine. I just wish it applied to everyone, not just veterans, old people, and a very small segment of poor people (administered very poorly ON PURPOSE by some states. EFF THE BLOCK GRANTS).

Paul

July 2nd, 2012
9:00 am

USinUK

She says “Thanks!” and “Hi!” back atcha’!

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

July 2nd, 2012
9:00 am

Paul – hahahaha … perfect for all your scone needs – sassy summer jam on your walls!

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
9:01 am

stands: Even the fzckin’ President bought, for a minute, the early-report nonsense.

Imagine if Bush was in office at the time. He would have jumped up right then and given a gut-speech. Or whatever was prepared ahead of time. he would have REACTED. Thankfully our current LEADER decided to exercise LEADERSHIP by thinking before speaking.

Paul

July 2nd, 2012
9:02 am

Adam,

Oh, I get the contract part and don’t begrudge them at all. But it’s a ‘contract’ that can be modified by Congress at any time. What does get me, though, and what I’d like to see them acknowledge, is that which they fight tooth and nail against others having is the same as that which they’ve participated in for years. It appears to be a most uncomfortable admission for many.

Republican Pick Big Business Over Poor Americans, Students

July 2nd, 2012
9:03 am

If you are not in the 1% America, you are on your OWN!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy-az8ZR0Og

GT

July 2nd, 2012
9:05 am

CNN should have heads rolling over there, FOX is handing out raises. The fact ,that they don’t ,leads me to believe their misreporting was a cheap publicity trick. I think they handed the South Carolina debates to NG to drive up ratings. That was by far the worst moderated event during the primaries, FOX was a Republican pep rally not a debate.. The beauty to America’s credit is the rating of CNN are going down. They had to remove King to a average reporting job, or did they? When watching the news is turning into a cross word puzzle it is not serving it’s purpose. I even wonder if Wolf Blitzer is his real name, or his acting name.

TiredOfIt

July 2nd, 2012
9:06 am

godless heathen “I’m saying that ACA is going to cost a lot of $$$ that the government doesn’t have.”

Take it from the DOD. We have more than enough money to police the world.

Joseph

July 2nd, 2012
9:08 am

stands for decibels:

Sorry but I couldn’t possibly stomach the thought of reading a blog from Rachael Maddcow….

dbm

July 2nd, 2012
9:10 am

Why did Matt Davis say it started with Woodrow Wilson? Wasn’t Teddy Roosevelt considered a progressive, and didn’t he do a lot to expand government? And there was wrongful government interference and control even before the Civil War (e.g. tariffs).

Freedom and the Constitution are dying the death of a thousand cuts, or maybe that should be a million or a billion. It’s a very slow process, and they aren’t dead yet.

In the extremely surprising event that any of the above are thrown in jail for saying what they said, then it would be time to ask if armed rebellion is justified.

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
9:13 am

Sorry but I couldn’t possibly stomach the thought of reading a blog from Rachael Maddcow

Would it help if I told you that she doesn’t write the blog?

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
9:14 am

BEE TEE DUB – SHEETZ

Road Scholar

July 2nd, 2012
9:17 am

Jay, there was a show on last night (I believe it was CNN) that had Dr Sanjay Gupta compare the healthcare systems in many countries including Taiwan and Switzerland. I am having problems finding a link. Can all those interested help find the link to the show?
It was very informative and shot down many of the myths/ alleged facts by many.

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
9:19 am

Road Scholar: Fareed Zakaria did something on that same subject. According to him. Taiwan did the study, and when he asked about America (pre-Obamacare) they said (paraphrased) “You look at America when you want to know how NOT to do health care.”

TiredOfIt

July 2nd, 2012
9:26 am

So Rush still hasn’t left the country (over ACA passing) and Sean still hasn’t been water-boarded. They are truly great Americans and they are not afraid to remind you of it.

stands for decibels

July 2nd, 2012
9:28 am

Sorry but I couldn’t possibly stomach the thought of reading a blog from Rachael [Maddow]….

well imagine how I felt about reading something purporting to be about a “promise gap” you’d posted?

headin’ upstairs.

Quagmire

July 2nd, 2012
9:36 am

Now the Constitution was not in JEOPARDY when Bush used it as Toliet paper.

Yeah, that's the ticket...

July 2nd, 2012
9:59 am

If a tax solved the healthcare issue, maybe one will work for the employment issue as well.. Lets’ start with say, oh, how about 10,000.00 per head. Get a job or pay a penatly.

TiredOfIt

July 2nd, 2012
10:21 am

Murdoch Continues Dumping On Mitt Romney On Twitter. I guess the only reason anyone pays attention to Mitt is his money.

GT

July 2nd, 2012
10:22 am

The Constitution protects all the people. It only changes as the people change. We allowed huge immigration because we needed labor and someone to do the work. We allowed slavery for the same purpose. In doing so we changed America’s make up. Now we want to freeze every thing to some previous point in time, to raise the walls of the classes, maybe even build a firewall between the poor and the rich by destroying the middle class. The genius of the Constitution is it doesn’t allow this convenience. Unlike the Church that allows divorce and much of it’s charter violated. or political bodies that sell out to big money,the Supreme Court has proven sacred. Only the selfish that didn’t get their way are looking for a fix. The rest of us live under it’s protection against those few.

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
10:23 am

Lets’ start with say, oh, how about 10,000.00 per head. Get a job or pay a penalty.

If you include that in a law for job training and student grants, sure. Obviously it has to be smart or I won’t support it.

GT

July 2nd, 2012
10:53 am

Is speeding tickets a tax?

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
11:10 am

GT: Is speeding tickets a tax?

Most definitely.

Yeah, that's the ticket...

July 2nd, 2012
3:09 pm

@Adam

How to best use the $$$ once raised is open discussion, I was more intrigued with the idea of using an a federally enforced significant tax (or penalty, call it what you will) to curtail self-destructive behavior.

Mr Right

July 2nd, 2012
4:33 pm

Obama and co. said it wasn’t a tax when they were ramming it down Americas you know what, then they said it was a tax to save it, now they say it’s not a tax! I would have to agree with Sara Palin when she said “Obama lied”.

Adam

July 2nd, 2012
10:15 pm

I would have to agree with Sara Palin when she said “Obama lied”.

And whether or not Obama (someone you haven’t voted for and have every intention of not voting for) lies or keeps promises you never supported – matters to you why?

Stop pretending like you care whether or not he lied. You only wish he had called it a tax so that your propaganda machine could have taken it down from the beginning. You can’t rewrite history.

Mick

July 3rd, 2012
7:54 am

Good morning fellow americans…the republic is still standing and despite the desperate rantings of some that the sky is falling, here comes another 4th of july as we move toward another pivotal election. Really, all you naysayers and fainting couch residents – get a grip!!! Enjoy the celebrations, freedom is as strong as ever, it’s just more expensive…