The most over-the-top response to ObamaCare ruling
Loading ...I’m trying to decide which right-wing reaction to Thursday’s Supreme Court ruling on ObamaCare is my favorite, and I just can’t settle on one winner. So maybe you could help me.
Here are your options:
A. An angry Glenn Beck — but I repeat myself — referring to Chief Justice John Roberts as “the Dread Pirate Roberts” and announcing that his website would be selling T-shirts featuring Roberts’ picture and the caption “Coward,” all for just $30.
B.) U.S. Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, celebrating after hearing initial and incorrect reports that the Supreme Court had struck down the mandate:
C.) The statement put out by Roy Nicholson, chairman of the Mississippi Tea Party, who went all Jefferson Davis on us:
“All of us are now simply chattel of the government to be used and ordered about as they choose. The history books will mark this date as the day our constitutional republic was killed. It will now rest with We The People to decide if it will be resurrected or left to rot in the shallow grave dug for it.
Where is the weeping and wailing? Where is the anger and outrage? Do the people of the country realize what has just been stolen from them? Do the people of the world recognize that the shadow of darkness is now fallen upon them as well and that there remains no defender of their feeble freedoms? The all-out oppression of all people has begun.
Those “occupiers” now controlling the three federal branches of government have joined together in rejecting all Constitutional restraint and in doing so they have severely violated their oaths to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Together they now stand as blatant usurpers of power and have reduced our constitutional republic, along with all of its freedoms, to nothing more than a dictatorial junta. Becoming a banana republic is next.
When a gang of criminals subvert legitimate government offices and seize all power to themselves without the real consent of the governed their every act and edict is of itself illegal and is outside the bounds of the Rule of Law. In such cases submission is treason. Treason against the Constitution and the valid legitimate government of the nation to which we have pledged our allegiance for years. To resist by all means that are right in the eyes of God is not rebellion or insurrection, it is patriotic resistance to invasion.
May all of us fall on our faces before the Heavenly Judge, repent of our sins, and humbly cry out to Him for mercy on our country. And, may godly courageous leaders rise up in His wisdom and power to lead us in displacing the criminal invaders from their seats and restore our constitutional republic.”
D.) Matt Davis, former spokesman for the Michigan Republican Party, who posed the question:
Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?
“Implicit in Benjamin Franklin’s fabled response at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention was a dire warning: That the Republic would one day devolve into tyranny unless we the people prevented it.
In 2008, we the people elected Barack Obama as president, and the 100-year progressive trek to tyranny begun in 1912 with Woodrow Wilson’s election was complete. It cannot be said too many times — for the purposes of emphasis and clarity — that the Constitution was possible ONLY AFTER the American Revolution; and that the war itself would not have been possible without the collective agreement, as so eloquently articulated in the Declaration of Independence, that the course of human events will sometimes justify one group of people to sever themselves from their oppressors.
In other words, America itself was possible only after its people summoned the will to risk their lives and their futures — as well as those of their children — for a freedom they did not enjoy but knew was their gift from God. Along with their desire to be free came their willingness to engaged in armed rebellion for their freedom.
If government can mandate that I pay for something I don’t want, then what is beyond its power? If the Supreme Court’s decision Thursday paves the way for unprecedented intrusion into personal decisions, then has the Republic all but ceased to exist? If so, then is armed rebellion today justified?
God willing, this oppression will be lifted and America free again before the first shot is fired.”
Or as they put it in the music-video version:
E.) U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, who clearly wasn’t paying attention when he was studying constitutional law back in ophthalmology school:
“Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional.”
F.) Ben Shapiro, editor-at-large of Breitbart.com, who tweeted:
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we await your verdict.
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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
2:11 pm
getalife
Balotelli was instrumental in helping Manchester City come out number one this year in the English Premier League, but he is a hot-head that is easily baited. He really needs to keep his cool today.
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:12 pm
211
Not true.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:12 pm
“And yes, the Reps do have faults”
Name them.
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:12 pm
No!
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:13 pm
Kam,
He is starting today and yes he is crazy.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:14 pm
Why Orange?
Name their faults.
Be honest for a change.
Mr_B
July 1st, 2012
2:16 pm
“Throw the BS flag on that. Where’s your proof it’s paid for.”
“Revenue Provisions
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is fully paid for and reduces the deficit in the next ten years and beyond. The revenue provisions in the bill focus on paying for reform within the health care system. This is accomplished by tightening current health tax incentives, collecting industry fees, and slightly increasing the Medicare Hospital Insurance tax for individuals who earn more than $200,000 and couples who earn more than $250,000. This increase will not only help fund health care reform, but, when combined with other provisions in the bill, will also extend the solvency of the Medicare Trust Fund by nine years to 2026. The bill also includes a fee on insurance companies when they sell high cost health insurance plans, designed to generate smarter, more cost-effective health coverage choices. Changes to health care tax incentives include capping FSA contributions, conforming definitions of deductible medical expenses and changing penalties for HSA spending that is not devoted to health care. The industry fees reflect responsible contributions from industries who have long profited from health care and who will benefit from the expanded coverage of millions of additional Americans under health care reform. The bill also assesses a small excise tax on indoor tanning services. Together, these revenue provisions represent a balanced, responsible package of proposals that bend the health care cost curve by putting downward pressure on health spending.”
http://dpc.senate.gov/healthreformbill/healthbill45.pdf
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:16 pm
Actually, a little more give and take with the Democratic Party is probably their biggest fault until enough of these people reach an agreement of how to get thiscountry back on track, the country will still be floundering.
DannyX
July 1st, 2012
2:16 pm
“Did the American public take a vote on it?”
They will in November. Sooner or later Romney is going to have to start talking. If he continues to support the Ryan plan he will get clobbered.
Romney really does need to start talking. Despite Republican hot air over healthcare, unemployment, the economy, the deficit, Arizona immigration, Fast and Furious, Obama’s support for gay marriage, along with the millions in PAC money, Romney has not gained a thing. It doesn’t matter at this point what Republicans throw at Obama, Romney is doomed without a clear message.
Listening to Republicans you would have thought Romney was going to get a huge bump after the health care ruling. It looks like it never materialized. In fact Obama got a slight bump according to Gallup and even Rasmussen.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:17 pm
Orange,
They did agree on automatic cuts then punted on them.
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:19 pm
Maybe I missed it in your text B but why are we projected to add another 1.2 trillion to the Nattional debt with Obamacare.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:19 pm
willard is running from the media like palin until he can memorize all his positions.
I don’t think he can.
Too many positions on the issues.
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:19 pm
Getalife,
You mean Obama punted.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:20 pm
Orange,
No, congress.
You are never right.
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:22 pm
Yes I am on this one. The bill was done until it got to Obama’s office where it was nixed.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:23 pm
Looks like Orange punted on the gop faults.
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:25 pm
Hey, I gave you what I consider to be their biggest fault at 216
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:27 pm
Orange,
Stop lying:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20082240-503544.html
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:27 pm
Anyway, I’m going on vacation tomorrow and need to start getting my house in order. I really hope everyone here has a safe and great 4th.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:27 pm
Now, name the gop fault.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:28 pm
Good call.
Cut and run.
I accept your surrender.
Have fun Orange.
JamVet
July 1st, 2012
2:29 pm
a little more give and take with the Democratic Party is probably their biggest fault
12, that is just plain nonsense.
You really are so enamored with the GOP that you cannot think of ANYTHING more than that????
No wonder they are so irresponsible. They know that there are a million Orange 12s out there who will never say boo to any of their malfeasance and horrible governing.
Without trying to make this too personal, that is really shameful, in my book…
Real Scootter
July 1st, 2012
2:33 pm
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:25 pm
FYI if you win an arguement with getalife you will be the first. Jus sayin…..
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:33 pm
Getalife,
I won’t call you a liar but -
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/513d4936-ad6c-11e0-bc4f-00144feabdc0.html
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
2:34 pm
Wasn’t he given a viable plan by the Republicans which he gave the thumbs down?
Nope.
Not too much typing for you to read this time, was it?
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:35 pm
Jam,
I think when the cons finally hold their party accountable for their actions it will be too late.
They did try to cut spending but failed and don’t care anymore.
Slip
July 1st, 2012
2:35 pm
One wonders what the billions in federal money pouring into Georgia’s economy (if our AG,Gov and General Assembly have sense enough to take it) as a result of Medicaid would help us out of the last state ranking for economic recovery. We will receive much more than we pay because we still eat more fried fish than other states. Shouldn’t we want to take all that Blue state money?
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:37 pm
Sorry about that
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58937.html
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:39 pm
I have a thousand more links that said the Speaker walked away Orange.
Slip
July 1st, 2012
2:40 pm
BTW who’s listening to GBeck anymore? He might be persuasive selling used furniture.
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
2:41 pm
Actually, a little more give and take with the Democratic Party is probably their biggest fault until enough of these people reach an agreement of how to get thiscountry back on track, the country will still be floundering.
There is no give and take with the Democratic Party. One seems to have forgotten the candidate that just stated this after defeating an incumbent GOP congressman:
“What I’ve said about compromise and bipartisanship, I hope to build a conservative majority in the United States Senate so bipartisanship becomes Democrats joining Republicans to roll back the size of government, reduce the bureaucracy, lower taxes and get America moving again,”
The current crop of GOP seem to think that compromise and bipartisanship is everybody agreeing with them. That’s pure, unadulterated, 100% USDA Grade-A Premium selected Bullsh*t!!!
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:41 pm
Bro,
Your opinion
Real Scootter
July 1st, 2012
2:42 pm
Not too much typing for you to read this time, was it
ROFLMAO! Bro
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:43 pm
Orange,
That was the start and your speaker walked away at the end.
Try to keep up.
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:43 pm
Getalife,
I backed up what I have been saying. I guess you did too with your link.
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
2:44 pm
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57621.html
Cantor bailed too Orange. They’re all playing politics.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:44 pm
My way or the highway is extremism.
You can’t negotiate with crazy.
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
2:45 pm
Bro,
Your opinion
Not just mine, homie. Even the commissions said that revenue had to be part of the deal. What revenue increases have the GOP offered????? and I’m not talking that bs about vague promises either.
Joseph
July 1st, 2012
2:45 pm
My favorite is the dems trying to spin this as not being a TAX. This is a TAX as ruled by the court. This wouldn’t be law if not a TAX. How stupid is it that dems would think this is a good thing implementing a brand new TAX on the American people. One of the largest TAX increases ever for the middle class if not the largest TAX increase. Spin that loons and lets see just how comical that is….
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:46 pm
Jam’
Shameful? Get to your point. I proved everything I’ve said. As far as which party is at fault. I guess it’s according to which side of the fence you are on.
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:54 pm
Bro,
Sorry it’s wordy. but that’s life.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/05/obamacare-tax-subsidies-bigger-deficit-fewer-taxpayers-damaged-economy
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:55 pm
Orange,
No, cantor was the start of negotiations and the speaker walked away at the end of the negotiations over taxes.
Our President ended up acting without congress.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:57 pm
Orange,
If you can’t find fault in a party that gets unlimited bribes, you are intellectually dishonest.
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
2:57 pm
Getalife,
You are in denial buddy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
2:58 pm
TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX
TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX
getalife
July 1st, 2012
2:59 pm
Orange,
I find faults in both parties.
Who is in denial?
Look in the mirror my conservative friend.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
July 1st, 2012
3:01 pm
Add mine to the list, Jay. I think I have the most succinct summation of what transpired last week – they repealed the 13th Amendment. We can now be taxed for anything, for no other reason than we exist. We are truly slaves of our government (which is not really “ours” anymore).
This has obviously been the Manchurian Candidate’s goal all along. They can now get past income to wealth with impunity. We must now consider whether to spend everything we have on vacations, cars, etc. (depreciating assets only), just to keep it away from the government, and then endeavor to join an aggrieved class. I would imagine the Regime has thought of that, and we will soon see laws and regulations to keep that from happening, as they now regard everything as their money.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
3:01 pm
Wow, that was quick.
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
3:01 pm
If you can’t find fault in a party that gets unlimited bribes, you are intellectually honest.
There, I fixed it for you. Not to disagree that the Reps. have faults, I just posted what I thought was their most serious fault as far as the welfare of the country.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 1st, 2012
3:02 pm
And the inane “its a tax” losing argument just won’t die…. Its not a tax paid by those working for employers who provide HC insurance, its not paid by those who buy HC insurance….. Its not paid by those who are below the minimum income levels…. Its a “tax” paid by those who foolishly decide not the have HC insurance and risk that their health care treatment, if and when needed, will be paid for by others….. And the “tax” offsets costs which otherwise are passed on to those of us who pay for HC insurance or the taxpayers. If its a “tax” its certainly is one of the better ones
getalife
July 1st, 2012
3:04 pm
Kam,
Italy is getting whooped.
Mary Elizabeth
July 1st, 2012
3:04 pm
Tundra Dude, 11:29 am
“Mary Elizabeth:
Thank you for the lovely poem.
Sorry, I got busy Friday, then forgot to check for responses Sat.
You wrote:
Tundra, I prefer to read the words of Lincoln, himself, to understand how his mind worked than the words of Thomas deLorenzo about him.
I prefer to know what they actually did.
As you know, some peeps can talk a good game, but their words don’t fit their actions.”
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Tundra, thank you for your comments regarding “O Captain, My Captain” by Walt Whitman about Abraham Lincoln, upon Lincoln’s death. The reason I posted Whitman’s poem yesterday is that, like most poets, Whitman had insight into how the people of his day felt about Lincoln’s death. The mourning most of the nation felt and expressed, in 1865, as shown in “O Captain, My Captain” from “Leaves of Grass” regarding Lincoln’s tragic death, speaks truer – and with more depth – than the words of a present day writer such as DiLorenzo regarding what Lincoln was about, especially if that writer has an agenda to further, through his work.
I always consider the source of who is writing. That is why I mentioned the various volumnes of biographies of Lincoln by Carl Sandburg to you. Sandburg had won a Pulitzer for one of his biographies of Lincoln, as well as a couple more Pulitzers for his poems. Sandburg had the poet’s depth and the poet’s eye. Sandburg had interviewed many “old timers” who actually had known Lincoln and, therefore, Sandburg had firsthand information regarding what Lincoln was about.
On the other hand, Thomas di Lorenzo, the author of a biography of Lincoln which you recommended to me, is only an professor of economics. He is not a historian. He has a definite agenda to propel through his writings. This is what Wikipedia says about him:
Thomas James DiLorenzo (born August 8, 1954) is an American economics professor at Loyola University Maryland. He is an adherent of the Austrian School of Economics. . . He was formerly an affiliated scholar of the League of the South Institute, the research arm of the pro-secession League of the South (though he has denied any lasting affiliation, noting that he only gave a few lectures there shortly after its founding). He holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Virginia Tech.
DiLorenzo has devoted much effort to scholarly historical revisionism, focusing on what has been called ‘the Lincoln Cult’ as a political and historical phenomenon. In the same vein, he has spoken out in favor of the secession of the Confederate States of America, defending the right of these states to secede in a view similar to that of abolitionist Lysander Spooner. He has also criticized the crediting of the New Deal for ending the Great Depression.”
There appears to be biased ideological agenda in the thinking of DiLorenzo, based on his biography, above. Also, please read the following criticisms of DiLorenzo’s book of Lincoln, “Lincoln Unmasked,” as those criticisms appear in Wikipedia, below:
“Several reviewers of the book have concluded that while there is room for discrepancy, the overall interpretation of President Lincoln by other historians has sided towards truth. One such critic is Justin Ewers, a senior editor at U.S. News & World Report, who reviewing the book for The Washington Post noted: ‘Of course, Lincoln’s presidency had its dark side. Most infamously, the Great Emancipator suspended habeas corpus in 1861-62, allowing the indefinite detention of citizens without trial. Still, DiLorenzo’s work is more of a diatribe against a mostly unnamed group of Lincoln scholars than a real historical analysis.’
Other reviewers, like Publishers Weekly, while calling the book a ‘laughable screed,’ suggest that DiLorenzo’s main target are ’scholars who dominate American universities (most notably Eric Foner’.”
Finally, Lincoln’s mind was deep and complex and many of his policies controversial, but I have no doubt that Lincoln committed his life to keeping the Union intact for the preservation of a government “of, by, and for” the people themselves, who were perceived to be “created equal.” And, Lincoln followed his destiny – without flinching – for the generations who would follow many years after his passing – and for all of those throughout the world, who would attempt to make manifest on the world’s state America’s ideals, as established in her Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
Lincoln well knew that many secessionists were following his movements throughout 1864 and 1865 in order to assassinate him. Yet, he continued what he knew he must do to sustain a nation “so conceived and so dedicated” because he knew that was his raison d’etre through the will of Providence. Lincoln was hardly, “some peep (who) can talk a good game, but their words don’t fit their actions.”
Lincoln gave his life for this nation. DiLorenzo is not in Lincoln’s league. Lincoln’s words tell you what Lincoln was about, if one cares to look in depth – not only his Gettysburg Address but also his Second Inaugural Address, in which Lincoln closed with these words:
“With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.”
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/lincoln2.asp
Oscar
July 1st, 2012
3:05 pm
st Right Wing Conspiracy
July 1st, 2012
3:01 pm
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How would the weather be of Nepture today. Hope it’s cooler there than it is here.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
3:06 pm
Kam,
Did you lose ESPN?
Mine is out.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
3:08 pm
getalife
Still got 70 minutes of play.
Way too early to call this one.
But so far, Balotelli has been a non-factor.
Mary Elizabeth
July 1st, 2012
3:09 pm
Correction: “. . .on the world’s stage,” not “on the world’s state.”
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
3:11 pm
Sorry it’s wordy. but that’s life.
Why be sorry, you’re the one who was complaining about me typing a lot. I have no problem with reading.
From your link:
Abstract: The number of Americans who pay federal income taxes has been shrinking every year, with a recent report suggesting that less than half of American households owed federal income taxes in 2009.
Not one time did they mention why that percentage is at or near 50%. Do you, or any other conservative remember what it was when Clinton left office? It was in the mid 30’s. Those magical tax cuts that Bush and his GOP Congress enacted took that from the mid 30’s to where it is now. If you don’t consider ALL reasons for the issue you’re trying to discuss, your entire work appears to be nothing but twisting numbers to push your ideological bend. Heritage wouldn’t do that would they?
One of the key components of Obamacare, tax subsidies to purchase federally approved health insurance, will substantially increase the number of people who are not paying for government services and thus have a lower incentive to be concerned about record-breaking government spending.
And just how do they prove that when government is not providing the insurance for all these people. The crux of the ACA is that people buy insurance from the PRIVATE SECTOR first and foremost. Last time I checked, Uncle Sam wasn’t running Aetna, BCBS, AFLAC, or any other providers. Do they know something that none of us know?
Tom Middleton
July 1st, 2012
3:11 pm
KAMCHAK
Kam, do you live anywhere near Oakhurst Grammer, Agnes Scott College and Decatur High. I lived in that area in my youth, and think about it alot. I’ve often wondered how many of those I went to school with made it through ‘Nam.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
3:11 pm
Kam,
It is back up.
Balotelli took a good hit.
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
3:12 pm
Keep
But Roberts said tax. Rush said tax. Boehner said tax. Boortz said tax.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
3:13 pm
Another big hit on Balotelli.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
3:13 pm
Just explained it was due to bad weather in the N.E. U.S.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
3:14 pm
He missed the header.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
3:16 pm
Kam,
Just glad nothing happened.
There are a lot of people there.
Good game.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
3:20 pm
Double nutmeg!
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Hiya Tom.
Nah I am a perimeter kid, so not technically in the Decatur city limits.
But I am intimately familiar with Oakhurst Baptist Church
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 1st, 2012
3:21 pm
Bro, they said tax? Well then, I guess that means its a tax on them scum free riders who would have me pay for their health care. When its put that way, I am highly offended and concerned about my freedom. Them conned keep waiting me to pay their way. No personal responsibility for them conned.
Tom Middleton
July 1st, 2012
3:24 pm
KAMCHAK
If that’s the one on the other side of the square from Decatur High, I went there, too.
Tom Middleton
July 1st, 2012
3:26 pm
Oh, and I spent the 8th frade at Druid Hills before moving back to Alabama.
Tom Middleton
July 1st, 2012
3:27 pm
Make that “grade.” LOL
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
3:28 pm
Bro,
Insurance companys are in the business to make money, Our Gov has mandated that everyone will have insurance or pay a fine. While maybe the insurance co & the Gov are not in cahoots with each other. I don’t think the insurance companies are going to enter this plan without being in a better position then they were at the bill’s conceptiom. Do you think rates have risen due to normal projected increases or Obamacare? I’ll take the later’
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
3:30 pm
Even after reading Orange’s Heritage piece, I don’t see how someone in my situation get’s anything other than the middle finger. All this stuff about taxes and credits would be completely moot if the private sector medical insurance got off their asses and reformed themselves on their own. Instead, the neverending quest for money is what put us in the effed up situation we find ourselves.
Shifting back to the debt situation, the jackassery of both parties is why we’re sitting where we are now. Dumb decisions by both parties have left our economy flaccid. When we needed effective governance more than any other recent time, we’ve had one party basically playing demolition derby to make the POTUS a one termer. The Democrats haven’t helped things by entertaining the jackassery as well as participating in a bit of it themselves.
What we need is focus on jobs. People working equates to tax revenues. People working puts money into circulation in the economy. People working means people have money to spend. All the other stuff will work itself out over time as long as we have people working and making meaningful wages. In other words, we’re not going to service sector our way out of this crap.
JamVet
July 1st, 2012
3:33 pm
Shameful? Get to your point.
Hello?
is this thing on!
I made the point as clear as could be.
YOU will not list one single solitary item of substance to criticize the GOP about.
Beyond bizarre and a great possible beginning plot for a science fiction story…
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
3:34 pm
Do you think rates have risen due to normal projected increases or Obamacare? I’ll take the later’
Do you have an explanation for the 260% increase I had in my insurance premiums between 2005 and 2009 then? The ACA had absolutely nothing to do with that. Rates are rising because the insurance companies are squeezing both ends of the medical system. Rates are also rising because insurance companies are trying to recover their losses from those who need to use insurance more than others. Rates are also rising because providers try to recover their losses from treating the uninsured and those who can’t pay for their treatment.
For someone who tries to appear knowledgable, you do a spiffy job at half explanations. Maybe this style of half-assed thinking is the main reason why half of us don’t pay fed income taxes. Who knows…
josef
July 1st, 2012
3:34 pm
TUNDRA
In case you check in, in re President Lincoln and the man behind the myth, I would refer you to William Herndon’s “Herndon’s Lincoln: The True Story of a Great Life” which is now available on line (go to Herndon’s entry in wiki and it will give you the links). Herndon was Lincoln’s law partner and wrote this book because he was disturbed by the hagiology surrounding Lincoln, maintaining that Lincoln himself would have disapproved of what was going on. It was not written to be anything even remotely “anti” Lincoln, but as a realistic portrait of the man drawn from those who knew him.
And, BTW, the di Lorenzo work, while an interesting read, is highly partisan and agenda riddled.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
3:35 pm
Ouch! That one hurt.
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Tom
OBC is west and south of DHS
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
3:36 pm
Jam’
Read my 216
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
3:41 pm
Bro,
That’s your case. My premiums/cost increases started last year and Im looking at a $2000.00 increase again starting in FY2013. I blame that on Obamacare.
barking frog
July 1st, 2012
3:43 pm
the problem with healthcare
costs is MD=Million Dollar
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 1st, 2012
3:46 pm
Hmmmm….. once again we see “I reject reality and substitute my own fiction”.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
3:48 pm
The greatest contribution of the U.S. to the sport of futbol?
The Wave.
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Will someone in the ESPN studios please kick Alexi Lalas in the balls?
Thankyouverymuch
Tom Middleton
July 1st, 2012
3:50 pm
Trying to find it on a map, and if you won’t laugh, I think it’s the one they were building right behind my house on Cambridge Avenue on the old plantation grounds when we moved to North Decatur circa ‘59.
Real Scootter
July 1st, 2012
3:50 pm
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
3:34 pm
IMHO,you are getting angry with someone that is trying to have a civil debate.Lighten up Francis!
JamVet
July 1st, 2012
3:51 pm
12 you are one stubborn person.
I just lambasted you for writing that 2:16 and what do you do when challenged about it?
Refer me to your 2:16.
One more time – YOU simply will not list the very first fault with your beloved GOP. According to you their only fault is that the don’t completely, utterly and totally fight against every non-Republican proposal all of the time???!!!
Also, one more time, your covering up for them and their MANY faults and screw ups is beyond shameful.
They BOTH suck
July 1st, 2012
3:53 pm
Orange
What do you blame increases over the last 30 yrs?
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
3:53 pm
Orange
You can blame it on the tooth fairy screwing the easter bunny without protection. That doesn’t make it fact. Since I’ve carried insurance, starting in 1996, I have NEVER had two years with the same premium cost. EVER!! Since carrying medical insurance, the most expense I’ve ever generated was having my wisdom teeth removed in 2004 and the birth of my daughter in 2008, yet my rates have increased every year.
You say that’s just me, but there are millions more like me. If your costs only started increasing last year, then you are one lucky dude. Damn lucky…
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
3:55 pm
Real Scootter
That wasn’t meant in anger. That was more like me throwing up my hands in submission. You can’t have a serious and open discussion with someone who only wants to see half the problem. If it sounded like anger, it wasn’t.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
3:56 pm
Tom
222 East Lake Dr. just south of W. College Ave.
bman.
July 1st, 2012
3:56 pm
After nearly 4 years, some people are still unable to find fault with Obama. At what point will you hold him responsible? In 2018?
At a glance, this healthcare law has the makings of a serious clusterf*ck. It will be years before anyone will really know if it is, or not. We’re all in the same boat.
They BOTH suck
July 1st, 2012
3:57 pm
Orange
If you do not mind me asking, are you under a company plan or an individual plan that your purchase for yourself and family?
JamVet
July 1st, 2012
3:58 pm
Bro,
Health spending has almost doubled in 10 years
Expenditures, including insurance premiums, out-of-pocket expenditures, and taxes devoted to health care, nearly doubled between 1999 and 2009.
Health cost increases have erased income growth
When other costs are factored in, an average family has only $95 more per month to spend than in 1999.
If health cost growth had matched overall inflation, families would have had an extra $5K/year to spend
Had health care costs tracked the Consumer Price Index, an average American family would have had an additional $450 per month to spend on other priorities
Additional spending is not improving health in the U.S.
By most measures, this extra spending did not buy appreciably better health. For example, the United States is now last among 19 high-income countries in preventing deaths from common health conditions that doctors know how to treat.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9605.html
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
3:58 pm
Jam,
Jam,
Not true, I stated or at least I thought I did that one of the Reps faults is they don’t give or take enough on issues to get this country back on track. I feel this is the most iportant fault to me as it is stopping any recovery for this country. As far as getting lambasted, that’s been happening all day. My views have not changed.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
3:59 pm
You can blame it on the tooth fairy screwing the easter bunny without protection.
Real Scootter
July 1st, 2012
4:00 pm
My bad Bro! For a sec there I thought i was seeing that ABM.
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July 1st, 2012
4:00 pm
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Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
4:01 pm
TBS,
I don’t. Mine have only started to get ridiculous last year.
They BOTH suck
July 1st, 2012
4:01 pm
Kam
Was over on College Ave for dinner last night
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
4:03 pm
TBS,
Gov. plan.
Tom Middleton
July 1st, 2012
4:03 pm
Yeah, I guess I went to the First Baptist Church, not Oakhurst, but Oakhurst Baptist is very close to where I lived. Sorry to pull you away from your game with this crap, but thanks, my friend. That was a looong time ago.
Real Scootter
July 1st, 2012
4:06 pm
Dang,I’ve let the time get away from me.It’s beer:30 y’all!!!! yee haw
They BOTH suck
July 1st, 2012
4:06 pm
Orange
You are lucky. For yrs many companies have attempted to help negate premium increases by “eating” some of the costs, increasing deductibles, co pays, incorporating HSAs, etc but the cost has been going up up up. So much know that even with the “shifting” around of the different variables, it is difficult for them not to also increase the premiums.
Good for you