The most over-the-top response to ObamaCare ruling
Loading ...I’m trying to decide which right-wing reaction to Thursday’s Supreme Court ruling on ObamaCare is my favorite, and I just can’t settle on one winner. So maybe you could help me.
Here are your options:
A. An angry Glenn Beck — but I repeat myself — referring to Chief Justice John Roberts as “the Dread Pirate Roberts” and announcing that his website would be selling T-shirts featuring Roberts’ picture and the caption “Coward,” all for just $30.
B.) U.S. Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, celebrating after hearing initial and incorrect reports that the Supreme Court had struck down the mandate:
C.) The statement put out by Roy Nicholson, chairman of the Mississippi Tea Party, who went all Jefferson Davis on us:
“All of us are now simply chattel of the government to be used and ordered about as they choose. The history books will mark this date as the day our constitutional republic was killed. It will now rest with We The People to decide if it will be resurrected or left to rot in the shallow grave dug for it.
Where is the weeping and wailing? Where is the anger and outrage? Do the people of the country realize what has just been stolen from them? Do the people of the world recognize that the shadow of darkness is now fallen upon them as well and that there remains no defender of their feeble freedoms? The all-out oppression of all people has begun.
Those “occupiers” now controlling the three federal branches of government have joined together in rejecting all Constitutional restraint and in doing so they have severely violated their oaths to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Together they now stand as blatant usurpers of power and have reduced our constitutional republic, along with all of its freedoms, to nothing more than a dictatorial junta. Becoming a banana republic is next.
When a gang of criminals subvert legitimate government offices and seize all power to themselves without the real consent of the governed their every act and edict is of itself illegal and is outside the bounds of the Rule of Law. In such cases submission is treason. Treason against the Constitution and the valid legitimate government of the nation to which we have pledged our allegiance for years. To resist by all means that are right in the eyes of God is not rebellion or insurrection, it is patriotic resistance to invasion.
May all of us fall on our faces before the Heavenly Judge, repent of our sins, and humbly cry out to Him for mercy on our country. And, may godly courageous leaders rise up in His wisdom and power to lead us in displacing the criminal invaders from their seats and restore our constitutional republic.”
D.) Matt Davis, former spokesman for the Michigan Republican Party, who posed the question:
Is Armed Rebellion Now Justified?
“Implicit in Benjamin Franklin’s fabled response at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention was a dire warning: That the Republic would one day devolve into tyranny unless we the people prevented it.
In 2008, we the people elected Barack Obama as president, and the 100-year progressive trek to tyranny begun in 1912 with Woodrow Wilson’s election was complete. It cannot be said too many times — for the purposes of emphasis and clarity — that the Constitution was possible ONLY AFTER the American Revolution; and that the war itself would not have been possible without the collective agreement, as so eloquently articulated in the Declaration of Independence, that the course of human events will sometimes justify one group of people to sever themselves from their oppressors.
In other words, America itself was possible only after its people summoned the will to risk their lives and their futures — as well as those of their children — for a freedom they did not enjoy but knew was their gift from God. Along with their desire to be free came their willingness to engaged in armed rebellion for their freedom.
If government can mandate that I pay for something I don’t want, then what is beyond its power? If the Supreme Court’s decision Thursday paves the way for unprecedented intrusion into personal decisions, then has the Republic all but ceased to exist? If so, then is armed rebellion today justified?
God willing, this oppression will be lifted and America free again before the first shot is fired.”
Or as they put it in the music-video version:
E.) U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, who clearly wasn’t paying attention when he was studying constitutional law back in ophthalmology school:
“Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional.”
F.) Ben Shapiro, editor-at-large of Breitbart.com, who tweeted:
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we await your verdict.
– Jay Bookman
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roldawg70
June 30th, 2012
10:22 pm
not having read all the posts
but les miserables was set around the time of 1848 paris uprising. and can i please carry the red flag
josef
June 30th, 2012
10:22 pm
DDR
You checked out last p.m. before I got the chance to say howdy. So, howdy!
getalife
June 30th, 2012
10:22 pm
Take Singapore for instance, they tried to pay pols millions to stop the corruption.
Did it work would be my first question.
If it did, propose it.
barking frog
June 30th, 2012
10:23 pm
getalife
good. i have certainly wasted
enough time on Republican
and Democratic politics.
bman.
June 30th, 2012
10:31 pm
Frog .. .. I understand what you’re saying, but I disagree that there would have to be a “drastic” downward shift in the economy for Obama to lose. For Obama to win, I think we will need an uptick on the economic numbers.
Everything staying the same = no progress.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
10:31 pm
frog,
I think I might be missing some information on billionaires united since it seems okay with the people and most of both parties. It does not make any sense to be partisan after that in my opinion. Both are fighting for unlimited bribes and where is all that money going. Are they buying votes now? Why does it cost a billion to run for President? What is the margin of return on those bribes? How many scandals will have to occur before they end it? Questions nobody ever asks.
getalife
June 30th, 2012
10:37 pm
Another fact I found recently is corporations lied about the trillion they said they are sitting on.
It is around 500 billion and it is cash added to cover losses.
Oscar
June 30th, 2012
10:39 pm
At the end of the day it does not matter whether it’s a tax or a penalty or why each Justice voted for or against it, or why the President backed it or what he thinks it is, or why congress voted for it and what they think it is.
Only thing that matters it the Congress passed it, the President signed it and the Court upheld it.
Purists and law professors can argue the details and define the reasons and the philosophy, but that’s neither here nor there.
At the end of the day, the Affordable Care Act if the law of the land.
josef
June 30th, 2012
10:42 pm
OSCAR
“At the end of the day, the Affordable Care Act if the law of the land.”
Yep, Like it, lump it, love it, or leave it. Don’t matter. That’s our system and that’s the way it works/
getalife
June 30th, 2012
10:44 pm
They can end it with a gop rubber stamp congress and gop President.
It happened before and can happen again.
Mama Says
June 30th, 2012
10:50 pm
“The ability of the self-serving right-wing to hate all those not just like them ”
Tom that was your statement.
Last I checked self serving means doing things that only help them.
That’s what you said about republicans
Mama Says
June 30th, 2012
10:52 pm
Josef, getalife,
I have watched an entire movie and you guys re still here.
I must have missed a good debate
marko
June 30th, 2012
11:03 pm
America’s civil war cost hundreds of thousands of lives and billions of dollars. We’ve romanticized the war, and the heroic sacrifice of the lost,for so long that we tend to forget that it could have easily been averted by cooler heads. Did freedom really die just because we freed the slaves, allowed women to vote, or accepted gays into the military?
As a little boy, growing up in the south, I was taught that irreparable harm would befall our beloved republic were colored people allowed to drink from our water fountains, or pee in our toilets. I swear to god, I can’t remember a single time in my life when conservatives weren’t screaming the sky is falling, the sky is falling about something or another. A lifetimes experience leads me to believe that our great nation will survive Romney/Obamma care, and many years from now conservatives will be wildly indignant about something else.
josef
June 30th, 2012
11:04 pm
MAMA
Yep. Been bouncing back and forth between here and Kyle’s myself. Unmetnionable’s taken over the tv room for one of his sci-fi flicks…I’ve been told to go spend some time with “that pack of social malcontents.”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 30th, 2012
11:07 pm
I have watched an entire movie…
I have plowed 55,000 hectares, sloped the hogs, fed the chickens, rounded up 100,000 head of cattle and walked 50 miles to and from the store, bare foot in the snow, uphill both ways in that same amount of time.
What a slacker you are.
George Watson
June 30th, 2012
11:15 pm
There is little doubt why we are in the mess we’re in with the rhetoric of such demagogues. We might want to consider taking them up on the revolution, putting them down, again, finish the Civil War, and get back to the buisiness of nation building instead of corporation building. The tragedy is always that good men die to convice stupid ones of what’s right. Whatever happened to their favorite phrase, ‘What would Jesus do?’ I guess they didn’t like the answer and found someone who would give them another one.
fair and balanced
June 30th, 2012
11:23 pm
My favorite “over the top” is Michael Reagan who claimed SCOTUS upheld Obama’s socialized insurance palan. His father, Saint Ronnie passed the only pure socialized medical plan -EMTALA. That is the unfunded mandate that hospitals provide free care to anyone who enters the emergency room and let others pick up the expense. Single payor mandate is just the opposite approach – all pay their share or get public benefits to pay.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 30th, 2012
11:34 pm
After re-reading my post at 10:13, I realize that came out with a harshness that I didn’t intend.
Kam – I didn’t take it as harshness……..more like FRUSTRATION. Dig?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 30th, 2012
11:39 pm
hi josef!!
I’ve been told to go spend some time with “that pack of social malcontents
WOW! Un-M is getting feisty in his old age!! I wonder how he feels about the pink feather boa?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
June 30th, 2012
11:41 pm
George: Whatever happened to their favorite phrase, ‘What would Jesus do?’ I guess they didn’t like the answer and found someone who would give them another one
Debbie likey George! Big brains that work on that boy!
Josef
June 30th, 2012
11:41 pm
DDR
He says you can have it….just so long as you take what goes with it…
Soothsayer
June 30th, 2012
11:47 pm
Gosh! It’s too bad Scout’s not here, I’ve got a message for him I know he’ll want to hear.
Tom Middleton
July 1st, 2012
12:53 am
Mama Says: “That’s what you said about republicans.”
That’s right-wing Republicans, Mama, not ALL Republicans. Next time I’ll use a chalk board with big lines and arrows, OK? I mean, I know it’s a tad subtle but still…
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July 1st, 2012
1:47 am
Mr. Bookman…Mr. Bookman
I hope you can get past the human megaphone…I hope you can get past the human megaphone…but what I don’t think you understand is our debt…but what I don’t think you understand is our debt…How much is jar of peanut butter as opposed to last year…How much is jar of peanut butter as opposed to last year…annoying, isn’t it…annoying, isn’t it…
The Thin Guy
July 1st, 2012
2:22 am
Enjoy standing in line at the Post Office? Enjoy standing in line at the DMV? If so, you’ll love Marxist Medicine. The number of health care providers will go down as careers in medicine become as lucrative tattoo parlors for the blind, the numbers of patients now includes everyone who can’t afford to go to Switzerland, and consequently health care will be rationed. The quality of healthcare will nose dive and the cost will soar for most of us. You’ll have to apply to a Death Panel to get an appointment to have to your teeth cleaned and wait for years. But, of course, there are exceptions. Members of congress are excluded and friends of the regime have their waivers. The Amish are exempt because they are an important constituency for Chuckie Schumer in New York
http://cnsnews.com/blog/celia-bigelow/if-amish-are-exempt-obamacare-tax-why-isnt-my-religion
Marxist Medicine will destroy our healthcare system, what’s left of our economy, and is, therefore, a victory for Bookman and his midtown moonbats. Unfortunately it’s so cold in my house I’ve caught an AC cold. At least I can see a doctor before Marxist Medicine kicks in. As Long John Silver said in Treasure Island: Them that dies will be the lucky ones.
Z
July 1st, 2012
3:04 am
I mean really, do the rational people in this country want these fanatic people that think like this in charge of the greatest nation on Earth. I think not. Even if you are republican surely you can see the destructive extremist thinking that is going on in parts of the your party. The majority of the Republican Politicians have done nothing to squash this extremist thinking, instead they seem to promote the extremism. How scary is this for our country. It’s not about winning or losing, we as a Nation are one, not separate. We can’t let this extremism continue. We will parish as a Nation if rational people don’t get a handle on the extremism that is going on in our country and political system.
Vote like your life depended on it, because it very well might.
Middle of the Road
July 1st, 2012
3:54 am
I’m too busy being scared out of my wits to laugh at these. I desperately try to be middle of the road in politics but moments like these make me want to reconsider. Sigh. You know, it doesn’t have to be this way.
nelson howard
July 1st, 2012
6:03 am
I take care of myself, feel good, exercise, eat right, every day is grand. i have been fortunate, no going to the Dr. and having his receptionest say” the Dr. will talk to you for 15 minutes and that will be $200.00 and no we do not take medicare”. No scheduling 3 months in advance, no reading signs, “the Dr. is not taking any more patients.” No being treated like a rotten sack of potatoes. I feel good.
Now, Obama Care, will any of the above change? I say no. Dr.s are Dr.s, they are at the top of the food chain and they are well aware of it. They are an arrogant community that serves themselves first.
Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!
July 1st, 2012
6:46 am
We were at Rooms – To – Go yesterday and saw they had a run on fainting couches…now I see why. My Goodness, what a negative reaction to a good program. The “Right” (I put that in quotes because they are NOT right…as in correct
), sure are sore losers… 
From the Center
July 1st, 2012
6:53 am
Z
July 1st, 2012
3:04 am
Z, both parties have their extremes that should be brought under control. Why do you just single out the Republicans?
Real Scootter
July 1st, 2012
7:09 am
Dang Normal,the sky is falling and all you can do is make jokes about it?
Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!
July 1st, 2012
7:33 am
Scooter,
You know me…The worse it is the more I laugh…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGz3QJQaHtM&feature=related
Always remember the adage…no matter what, keep smiling…it worries people…
Atlantan
July 1st, 2012
7:43 am
I’m still trying understand why progs always run into the open arms of dictatorial control. As long as they can abort at will and have gay marriage they don’t care anything else about freedom or liberty. A mentally deranged bunch…
Sparta_Bubba
July 1st, 2012
7:46 am
I’d like to go out and cancel the insurance on my three vehicles, but NOOOO the government for years has been forcing me to buy insurance for them. Strange I never heard one moan or one whimper about the government forcing me to buy insurance on them. I also never heard anyone scream and holler about RomneyCare forcing folks in Massachusetts to buy insurance. Do you think maybe this big to do about being forced to buy insurance is really about something else?
carlosgvv
July 1st, 2012
7:57 am
Soothsayer – 6:33
Yes, by golly, that Assad is a real saint.
Eric
July 1st, 2012
8:06 am
I’m a Democrat, but I say repeal this law. Go GOP!
stands for decibels
July 1st, 2012
8:12 am
Mornin’. Gotta say this…
Sooth, your anti-Israel/Israeli bit @ 8.32 is where you and I completely part company and where, sadly, I can’t fault others for considering you anti-Semitic, although I try to avoid using labels quite so freely.
You really need to view history through a different filter, and recognize that for all its flaws and current excesses, Israel (and its supporters here, who run the spectrum from dovish to hawkish, of course) is as legitimate a player in that region as any of its neighbors and should be regarded as such.
I won’t sugar coat their excesses, and I’ll shrug off the stupid charges that I’m somehow an anti-Semite, myself, for publicly criticizing them. (ditto when the usual dopes lob those same charges at Jay, which happens virtually EVERY time Jay posts about the region’s troubles.)
But Sooth, your choice to apply different rules of engagement with this particular country seems irrational and, frankly, hateful. IMHO, it’s a blind spot of yours that needs some serious work.
Hmmmmmmmm
July 1st, 2012
8:27 am
@Sparta_Bubba
Your name says it all….. Bubba… You must be a complete MORON!
AU Liberal in ATL
July 1st, 2012
8:30 am
If any of those morons were right about what they so obviously believe, they’d all be locked up by now. I try so hard, but it’s not easy to be tolerant when you’re surrounded by stupidity and hypocrisy. I vote for number 1. If Justice Roberts were really a coward he’d be afraid of the Tea-publicans.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
8:47 am
Enjoy standing in line at the Post Office? Enjoy standing in line at the DMV?
Last week when I went to the post office, only one person ahead of me.
In May when I got my new (VERY UGLY!) tag, I held the door open for a nice lady to exit.
She was the only other person there to have business with the DMV.
Yes, I too have had occasion to wait patiently (or not) at both of these fine institutions, but lets not make it so that every visit to every govt. service place is fraught with time wasting delays, okay punkin’?
O'Really
July 1st, 2012
9:26 am
Which is my favorite? Hard to pick, but I think C and D need to be mindful of the following from the US Code:
18 USC § 2385 – ADVOCATING OVERTHROW OF GOVERNMENT
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.
Lord Help Us
July 1st, 2012
9:28 am
Jay, I am at a loss to pick one of these choices. Each is ’special.’
I would like to say thank you to so many of the cons that have provided a smorgasbord of priceless entertainment over the past several days.
The apocalyptic drama queens, haters, dittoheads, etc. are a hoot…
Real Scootter
July 1st, 2012
9:28 am
Thanks for the song Normal! Was that the year you were born?
Real Scootter
July 1st, 2012
9:35 am
Yes, I too have had occasion to wait patiently (or not) at both of these fine institutions, but lets not make it so that every visit to every govt. service place is fraught with time wasting delays, okay punkin’?
I’m with you on this one Kam.Sometimes all I have to do is go to the mail box.Of course I have to walk barefooted on the hot pavement 5 miles and up hill both ways to get to it.
godless heathen
July 1st, 2012
9:36 am
My selection for most “over-the-top response” would be a hard decision. getalife had so many on Thursday that I don’t think I could pick just one.
SBinf
July 1st, 2012
9:37 am
Jean Schmidt 100%. Oh my goodness, that has got to go down as one of the biggest political fails of this century.
RB from Gwinnett
July 1st, 2012
9:38 am
Sparta, you can cancel your car insurance when you sell your vehicles and nobody made you buy them in the first place. That point has been made millions of times and if you still don’t get it, you should really stay out of the discussion because you’re just not smart enough to participate in any meaningful way.
Just so you know, there are millions of people in NYC, Chicago, Boston, etc who do not have car insurance and are not required to. They are all now required to buy health insurance whether they want to or not.
Thomas
July 1st, 2012
9:40 am
Sorry Kam- had to laugh at that one. Don’t you live in a “little Hamlet” in North Carolina?
Anyway- you are a good man.
Going to sit in a baby pool with a case of budweiser and shoot the neighborhood deer while playing Lynard Skynard while my Chevy duramax diesel gets warshed while my ribs are smokin’ while my…..
damn hot- hydrate I still think it is the Chinese controlling the weather but have to much on the aforementioned agenda to figure out
godless heathen
July 1st, 2012
9:46 am
I’d like to go out and cancel the insurance on my three vehicles, but NOOOO the government for years has been forcing me to buy insurance for them. Strange I never heard one moan or one whimper about the government forcing me to buy insurance on them.
If health insurance were like auto insurance:
I would get a discount for good driving (behavior)
If I went to the Dr. and made a claim about every sniffle or hang-nail, my insurance would be cancelled or go up.
If I insured a 10 year old clunker, I wouldn’t pay the same rate as someone pays for a new Mercedes.
I’d have of choice of limits of insurance I want.
I wouldn’t pay to insure a convertible top, if I didn’t have a convertible top.
I could change jobs and keep the same insurance.
I could shop on the open market for insurance that fits my needs.
If I didn’t own a car, I wouldn’t have to buy insurance.
Except for all that, health insurance is just like auto insurance.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
9:49 am
Of course I have to walk barefooted on the hot pavement 5 miles and up hill both ways to get to it.
Scootter
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Thomas
I am a part time resident of both The ATL (Decatur to be more precise) and this small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns but my tags are registered in Ga. I got my tags this year at the satellite office in S. DeKalb mall, but I usually go to the main office on Memorial Drive and more often than not, it’s in and out in under 5 minutes.
godless heathen
July 1st, 2012
9:51 am
She was the only other person there to have business with the DMV.
Sh*t, I read on here the other day that the DMV was shuttering offices and cutting back on hours so people couldn’t get the picture ID needed to vote.
BADA BING
July 1st, 2012
9:51 am
The Oprah show is gone, where is Tom Cruise going to jump up and down on the couch before his next marriage?
Thomas
July 1st, 2012
9:55 am
I got my tags this year at the satellite office in S. DeKalb mall, but I usually go to the main office on Memorial Drive and more often than not, it’s in and out in under 5 minutes.
I have heard that- not bad in Alfedo (pet name for Alpharetta) as well
We really need Bookman to put in a skype version- brings this thing to a whole new level
Proud to be me
July 1st, 2012
10:01 am
All you pro Obamacare people be reminded that there isn’t any government ran program that hasn’t ended up with enormous fraud, operating in the red, and includes people who really don’t need it. It hasn’t even bee fully implemented and it is already costing more than what we were told it would cost. Now they are talking about “the people who don’t have insurance who don’t want insurance having to get insurance” . . which is what I tried to tell the hard headed liberals I know to begin with . . were most of the uninsured to begin with! You know the ones . . . they would rather pay to have their nails done and hair done than to pay for insurance premiums. Who really cares if they have insurance. Sure they go to the ER when some minute happens to them but hey let them wait for hours there! They deserve to have to wait for hours to get medical care. And, yes we all pay for it in the end (the hospitals, the taxpayers, etc.) but why make it easy for them by “giving” them a free ride paid by the taxpayers. And, whether they have insurance or not, they will still go to the ER because have to wait several hours in the ER won’t be anything like have to wait for days to see a doc (because that’s what is going to happen with all these free loaders now being able to go see the doc . . they are going to cause all of us to have to wait even longer to get in to see our docs. Thank you . . . all you liberals who want “fairness” — beware of what you ask for!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
July 1st, 2012
10:22 am
Oh lordy, them govt ran programs is all evil I tell ya…… just keep your hands off my medicare.
JamVet
July 1st, 2012
10:22 am
All you anti-government people be reminded that there isn’t any “free market health insurance run program that hasn’t ended up with enormous fraud, operating in the red, and” denying humane and proper coverage, thereby killing them, for people who really needed help.
The worst health insurance program in the world and all that you neocons wanna do is tweak around the edges of it.
Scrap the f&cking thing, throw those crooks who run it out into the street and replace it.
SINGLE PAYER NOW.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
10:25 am
Thank you . . . all you liberals who want “fairness”…
Your welcome.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
10:26 am
Oops shoulda been “You’re welcome”
St Simons - he-ne-ha-ha-ha
July 1st, 2012
10:36 am
just a word to the misinformed about meddycare fraud. It is NOT
the govt agency that commits fraud, its that glorious, unregulated
freeee enterprise, let-the-market-decide, magic for-profit scum
that attempts to fraud you the taxpayer. With the Republicans
continued attempts to make govt dysfunctional, the Republicans
are making this more & more possible for their supply side jaysus
friends by crippling said govt with cuts. Thanks again Republicans.
But thay haven’t stopped or even slowed down mrsstsimons.
The dangerous shawnee is undefeated against the freeee mahket
swindlers. Utterly undefeated. Really, just get out of her way.
She’s on a mission. Now les go surfin
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
July 1st, 2012
10:39 am
Obama healthcare reaction dance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il1vY2IQATs
Mary Elizabeth
July 1st, 2012
10:44 am
The Real Winners” (of ObamaCare), Paul Krugman, The New York Times, June 28, 2012:
“So the Supreme Court — defying many expectations — upheld the Affordable Care Act, a k a Obamacare. There will, no doubt, be many headlines declaring this a big victory for President Obama, which it is. But the real winners are ordinary Americans — people like you.
How many people are we talking about? You might say 30 million, the number of additional people the Congressional Budget Office says will have health insurance thanks to Obamacare. But that vastly understates the true number of winners because millions of other Americans — including many who oppose the act — would have been at risk of being one of those 30 million.
So add in every American who currently works for a company that offers good health insurance but is at risk of losing that job (and who isn’t in this world of outsourcing and private equity buyouts?); every American who would have found health insurance unaffordable but will now receive crucial financial help; every American with a pre-existing condition who would have been flatly denied coverage in many states.
In short, unless you belong to that tiny class of wealthy Americans who are insulated and isolated from the realities of most people’s lives, the winners from that Supreme Court decision are your friends, your relatives, the people you work with — and, very likely, you. For almost all of us stand to benefit from making America a kinder and more decent society.
But what about the cost? Put it this way: the budget office’s estimate of the cost over the next decade of Obamacare’s ‘coverage provisions’ — basically, the subsidies needed to make insurance affordable for all — is about only a third of the cost of the tax cuts, overwhelmingly favoring the wealthy, that Mitt Romney is proposing over the same period. True, Mr. Romney says that he would offset that cost, but he has failed to provide any plausible explanation of how he’d do that. The Affordable Care Act, by contrast, is fully paid for, with an explicit combination of tax increases and spending cuts elsewhere.
So the law that the Supreme Court upheld is an act of human decency that is also fiscally responsible. It’s not perfect, by a long shot — it is, after all, originally a Republican plan, devised long ago as a way to forestall the obvious alternative of extending Medicare to cover everyone. As a result, it’s an awkward hybrid of public and private insurance that isn’t the way anyone would have designed a system from scratch. And there will be a long struggle to make it better, just as there was for Social Security. (Bring back the public option!) But it’s still a big step toward a better — and by that I mean morally better — society.
Which brings us to the nature of the people who tried to kill health reform — and who will, of course, continue their efforts despite this unexpected defeat.
At one level, the most striking thing about the campaign against reform was its dishonesty. Remember ‘death panels’? Remember how reform’s opponents would, in the same breath, accuse Mr. Obama of promoting big government and denounce him for cutting Medicare? Politics ain’t beanbag, but, even in these partisan times, the unscrupulous nature of the campaign against reform was exceptional. And, rest assured, all the old lies and probably a bunch of new ones will be rolled out again in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision. Let’s hope the Democrats are ready.
But what was and is really striking about the anti-reformers is their cruelty. It would be one thing if, at any point, they had offered any hint of an alternative proposal to help Americans with pre-existing conditions, Americans who simply can’t afford expensive individual insurance, Americans who lose coverage along with their jobs. But it has long been obvious that the opposition’s goal is simply to kill reform, never mind the human consequences. We should all be thankful that, for the moment at least, that effort has failed.
Let me add a final word on the Supreme Court.
Before the arguments began, the overwhelming consensus among legal experts who aren’t hard-core conservatives — and even among some who are — was that Obamacare was clearly constitutional. And, in the end, thanks to Chief Justice John Roberts Jr., the court upheld that view. But four justices dissented, and did so in extreme terms, proclaiming not just the much-disputed individual mandate but the whole act unconstitutional. Given prevailing legal opinion, it’s hard to see that position as anything but naked partisanship.
The point is that this isn’t over — not on health care, not on the broader shape of American society. The cruelty and ruthlessness that made this court decision such a nail-biter aren’t going away.
But, for now, let’s celebrate. This was a big day, a victory for due process, decency and the American people.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/opinion/the-real-winners.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
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Mary Elizabeth
July 1st, 2012
10:46 am
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godless heathen
July 1st, 2012
10:46 am
Except for all that, health insurance is just like auto insurance.
Forgot one. If my employer paid for my auto insurance, he could take it off his taxes.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
July 1st, 2012
10:49 am
If my employer paid for my auto insurance, he could take it off his taxes.
If I was 8ft. tall, I’d have an NBA contract.
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
10:51 am
godless
I concur with your analysis between auto insurance and medical insurance. I seriously doubt that will stop anybody from trying to make that analogy though. Just as a household budget isn’t the same as the government budget, people still use that analogy. Sometimes, instead of using an analogy, people should just stick with the facts of what they’re talking about instead of trying to make comparisons.
Quagmire
July 1st, 2012
10:53 am
GOP Supporters, instead of trying to prove President Obama was not fully Vetted(birthers), you missed the part when he Taught Constitutional Law.
Like LeBron said “Bout Damn Time”
JamVet
July 1st, 2012
11:00 am
Even that nasty little prune that owns the Unfairly Unbalanced Republican News Network knows that Flip is a dead man walking…
(CNN) – Rupert Murdoch offered presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney some unsolicited advice on Twitter Sunday: Lose your friends and hire professionals.
“Met Romney last week,” the 81-year-old chairman of News Corp. wrote. “Tough O Chicago pros will be hard to beat unless he drops old friends from team and hires some real pros. Doubtful.”
Using a bunch of nauseating GWB castoffs and being the poster boy for integrity-free sellouts is no way to run a campaign, Flip…
Lord Help Us
July 1st, 2012
11:05 am
‘Using a bunch of nauseating GWB castoffs and being the poster boy for integrity-free sellouts is no way to run a campaign, Flip…’
I think he knows that the 50% + 1 approach is his only chance…
Midori
July 1st, 2012
11:12 am
I read that Justice Roberts REALLY, REALLY put fat Tony Scalia in check by upholding the law.
And that’s a good thing.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
11:13 am
cons are still crying and losing it over judge roberts.
They eat their own.
Anyhoo, fires in the west, floods in Florida and the power is out in DC from a major storm.
Extreme weather is the new aq.
Be scared, very, very scared of Mother nature.
They should find a new planet quick to save the cons precious billionaires.
fair and balanced
July 1st, 2012
11:13 am
I like the lie the Repubtards are telling that Obamacare increases middle class taxes.
It doesn’t. However it does increase by 3.8% capital gains tax on people like
willard living off of capital gains taxes at an outrageous 15% while us middle class peons pay 25% or more. Poor Willard and his corporate buds will have to dip into their offshore accounts to help granny get some of those exciting free Medicare drugs frat boy George gave her and the other old geezers to get reelected.
bman.
July 1st, 2012
11:16 am
in which other country does the new healthcare law resemble the most?
Thomas
July 1st, 2012
11:17 am
The far left think about a lot of “good things” and want others to spend the money to make it a reality.
The far right thinks about a lot of “bad things” and counts on the military to bomb the hell out of those things.
The non extremist have to pay financially and emotionally for the extremist daily.
truth2power
July 1st, 2012
11:17 am
1 in 3 Americans can not afford to see a dentist. Compassionate conservatism is a contradiction.
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
11:19 am
Libs think Obamacare is like being given the keys to a brand new Ferrari. When it comes time to pay for it they will see it as an old JEEP with images of Obama barely disernable between the layers of rust.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
11:22 am
Yeah, orange we are celebrating by going out and get really, really sick.
Maggie"s Daughter
July 1st, 2012
11:24 am
The Supremes also said slavery was constitutional.
Touche Jay.
Black robes mean nothing on what’s moral and just.
JamVet
July 1st, 2012
11:25 am
LHU, I do not see any possible way for the Socialist RINO to get the electoral college votes that he needs.
And after he gets drubbed in the three upcoming debates with Barry, he is perfectly poised to become the next John McCain. (Who at least had some moral courage on his curriculum vitae.)
And Orange thinks he can misrepresent millions of people in the most silly fashion and no one will notice.
OK.
Some Sunday morning Moodies…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bucx2M-tYsY
Jim Pierce
July 1st, 2012
11:25 am
Is there a democrat alive that isn’t a hypocrite?
Have any of you libs considered ONCE the debt? The deficit? The borrowing? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO just give us more entitlements. Let the country rot.
We’re running out of people with actual jobs to pay for anything lol
getalife
July 1st, 2012
11:26 am
I did notice that countries that provide health care for all their people do not waste much money on needless wars.
I am sick of Canada kicking our butts.
Jim Pierce
July 1st, 2012
11:27 am
Jamvet: Romney AIN’T McCain. He will destroy Obama with a little thing called truth. Obama cannot run on his record.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
11:28 am
I think you cons should try to win the argument with the people and not the courts.
Try telling the truth and let the people decide not the sc.
Tundra Dude
July 1st, 2012
11:29 am
Mary Elizabeth:
Thank you for the lovely poem.
Sorry, I got busy Friday, then forgot to check for responses Sat.
You wrote:
Tundra, I prefer to read the words of Lincoln, himself, to understand how his mind worked than the words of Thomas deLorenzo about him.
I prefer to know what they actually did.
As you know, some peeps can talk a good game, but their words don’t fit their actions.
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
11:30 am
Just remember, someday you have to pay the piper.
JamVet
July 1st, 2012
11:30 am
bman, not sure but take a good look at a world map of the countries that DON”T have some sort of universal care for all of its citizens.
Basically, it is China, Mongolia, most of southern and southeast Asia, all of Africa, five South American countries and………………………………. take a little guess who else?
The relatively tiny number of people who run this country should hang their miserable heads in eternal shame…
bman.
July 1st, 2012
11:34 am
Jamvet .. .. thanks. Mister Bookman probably knows.
getalife
July 1st, 2012
11:34 am
“Obama cannot run on his record.”
Yes, he can.
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
11:35 am
I like the lie the Repubtards are telling…
When you start your statement like that, don’t be surprised by the lack of intelligent discussion that develops afterwards. Sometimes it’s good to NOT type what you think.
Just an fyi…
getalife
July 1st, 2012
11:37 am
We are falling behind because of the cons and the gop.
No doubt about it just the facts.
JamVet
July 1st, 2012
11:38 am
Romney AIN’T McCain.
Agreed.
He is much worse.
Unlike Flip Romney, John McCain was a great human being with some principled values. Romney can make no such claim. He’d sell his mother to get a few electoral college votes. McCain was just the first candidate to be saddled with the aftermath of that apocalyptic Bush administration. The one that Republicans delusionally and desperately want everyone to forget about. Which wouldn’t be prudent at this juncture. LOL!
So he tried insanely (Sarah freaking Palin???) to be a good little fake conservative.
And George Willard Bush is doing the exact same thing. Bowing to and kissing the asses of the fake conservative machinery that owns that dysfunctional, gawdawful political party.
And though Barry is very mediocre, Flip will never sit in the West Wing.
So let it be written, so let it be done.
Orange 12
July 1st, 2012
11:44 am
How many sitting Presidents have had the country’s credit rating downgraded on their watch?
JamVet
July 1st, 2012
11:45 am
Effective July 1 a Georgia law gives drivers the option of affixing a decal with the slogan “In God We Trust” on license plates in place of the county where they live.
Now THAT is the kind of rock-solid, people helping, effective governance that I have come to expect from our state “leaders”!
I’m gonna get one that says “In JamVet I Trust”.
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
11:47 am
How many sitting Presidents have had the country’s credit rating downgraded on their watch?
Well, there has been only one. Why didn’t you ask WHY the credit downgrade happened too? I guess some people will slant facts to push a partisaned idea eventhough the situation has no similar reasoning.
Tundra Dude
July 1st, 2012
11:47 am
Romney AIN’T McCain.
Agreed.
He is much worse.
Seems to be. Should be required reading….McCain”s 2008 file on Romney.
(I’m closer to becoming an astronaut, than Romney is to becoming a good conservative)
bman.
July 1st, 2012
11:48 am
Bro .. .. do you know enough about the new law to be able to answer my question @11:16 ?
JamVet
July 1st, 2012
11:49 am
How many US presidents had to immediately deal with the crushing aftermath of the Great Depression and the Great Recession?
$10,000,000,000,000.00 “disappeared”. Almost overnight.
And you status quo loving rubes honestly thought it would all blow over in a couple of years, didn’t you?
The greatest crime of the century and nobody even went to jail for it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jon3q6me5Sg
Adam
July 1st, 2012
11:54 am
RB: you should really stay out of the discussion because you’re just not smart enough to participate in any meaningful way.
RB’s default when someone disagrees with him. And yet despite this and other evidence, he STILL thinks that employee turnover is ALL the employee’s fault.
Brosephus™
July 1st, 2012
11:54 am
bman
Honestly, no I can not answer that question. To do that, not only would I have to know the intimate details of our law, but I would also need extensive knowledge of the laws of other countries in order to make, what I think, would be a serious and intelligent comparison. I could probably make some random guess, but I try to avoid doing those type things.
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
July 1st, 2012
11:58 am
Scott in Florida is saying he WILL NOT implement Obamacare.
HMMM since Nathan (the real) Steal always follows close behind FL. Maybe Ga is in for a rough ride