The orphaned RomneyCare thrives nonetheless
Its daddy may have abandoned his child and repudiated all paternal responsibility, yet RomneyCare lives.
“Here in Massachusetts for the last six years using a model just like national health care reform, the Affordable Care Act, we have reached 99.8 percent of children, over 98 percent of our overall population with insurance. We are healthier by any number of measures, the cost of health care has come down on a per capita basis, it has not busted the budget. There are more businesses offering insurance to their employees today than before health insurance went into effect, so all the list of horrors that Gov. Romney talked about, that the congressional Republicans have talked about were not actually reality here in Massachusetts where we have tried that.”
– Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick
Some additional facts and figures:
– As Patrick indicated above, less than 2 percent of Massachusetts residents lack health insurance. Nationally, the average is roughly 16 percent uninsured.
– Since the inception of the program in 2006, the average annual rate of increase in the rate per covered person has been held to less than 2 percent.
– According to a report by the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation, “additional state spending attributable to the health reform law accounted for only 1.4 percent of the Commonwealth’s $32 billion budget in fiscal 2011.”
– In 2010, the most recent data available, 44,000 people paid the penalty for not having coverage.
– The MTF reports that “77 percent of Massachusetts employers with three or more employees offered health
insurance coverage to their employees in 2010, up seven percentage points since 2005. This compares with 69 percent of employers offering health coverage to their workers nationwide.”
– “… in the latest round of proposed premiums for the merged health insurance market for small businesses and non-group individuals, health plans sought average increases of just 2 to 3 percent, compared with increases of 15 to 20 percent two years ago. Although the trend of slower premium growth is currently a nationwide phenomenon and may be, in part, a function of the economic recession, Massachusetts is experiencing a notably slower rate of growth than the national average.” — MTF
– ” … recent data show that family premiums for private, employer-sponsored coverage in Massachusetts fell by an average of nearly 1 percent from 2009 to 2010, while the country as a whole saw a 6 percent increase. As a result, the state’s ranking for family premiums fell from the highest in the country in 2009 to ninth place in 2010. Similarly, individual premiums for Massachusetts workers rose by just 2.8 percent in 2010 versus 5.8 percent for the nation as a whole.” — MTF
– Jay Bookman
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stands for decibels
June 29th, 2012
9:55 am
I left Canada because it was to expensive to live there due to the taxes
How do you like your spinny-rims on your Lexus SUV and the food stamps you get here?
Adam
June 29th, 2012
9:56 am
Mr Right: 2700 papes of new law ! Only a lib could be happy!
Are you saying you don’t like to read?
Steve
June 29th, 2012
9:56 am
Butch – the Republicans of 1865 are the Democrats of today. The parties reversed.
Liberals have always championed the real reforms we take for granted today. Everything.
ty webb
June 29th, 2012
9:56 am
Jay’s change in mood from pre-ruling to post-ruling can best be attributed to the fact that he only likes certain 5-4 decisions.
Adam
June 29th, 2012
9:56 am
Butch: Sorry man, the slavery thing actually does belong to the Republicans
Liberal Republicans.
Mr Right
June 29th, 2012
9:57 am
What happens if you don’t buy insurance and then don’t pay the TAX (LOL) I guess you wil hear from the IRS! What a mess!
getalife
June 29th, 2012
9:57 am
First willard said to repeal it.
Then he said he will keep the good parts.
He will not repeal any of of it cons.
ty webb
June 29th, 2012
9:57 am
“Liberal Republicans.”
adam just had his cake, and ate it too.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
June 29th, 2012
9:57 am
JAY,
Thanks…..
Adam
June 29th, 2012
9:58 am
Butch: And anyway I’m not worried about someone going “But that was Republicans!” because I’m still not voting for a modern day Republican who harbors a fascination with rolling back the entire civil rights act.
carlosgvv
June 29th, 2012
9:58 am
Erwin’s Cat – “I have a problem with big Insurance companies”
I sincerely hope you aren’t naive enough to think Big Business is just going to go away.
josef
June 29th, 2012
9:58 am
Repeal? Ha! The insurance companies won’t let that get too far. WellPoint up in early morning trading. Barry’s back pocket boys don’t look like they’re running for the exits…
Adam
June 29th, 2012
9:58 am
ty: Was Lincoln a conservative?
Butch Cassidy
June 29th, 2012
9:59 am
Steve – “Liberals have always championed the real reforms we take for granted today. Everything.”
True, just offering clarification before someone on the Right decided to take Adam to task.
Paul
June 29th, 2012
9:59 am
It’s incredible.
People make the most outlandish, ridiculous statements, repeat stuff they’ve heard without thinking about it, then when asked to explain what they mean or are presented with facts to the contrary, they just go silent and go away or return with more nonsense.
Don’t they even have the consciousness to be embarrassed?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 29th, 2012
10:00 am
Canada South @ 9:52
I went to my opthamologist yesterday for my routine appointment.
He told me about a friend of his in Canada who has very bad cataracts. However, the friend is not “too” upset because she is on a waiting list to have them corrected and she only has ONE YEAR left to go !!!
Adam
June 29th, 2012
10:00 am
Butch: Like I said, not too worried. I didn’t say Democrats, I said liberals. The adaptable survive. Those who cling to the past don’t win wars. Many battles until their dying breath, perhaps, but no wars.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 29th, 2012
10:00 am
The amount of “silver lining to the cloud” exploration and searching is astonishing
George will, many others somehow trying to declare a measure of victory over the commerce clause
They’re delusional
They just got smacked down
They lost. Obamacare will be implemented short if a miracle
To try to claim some victory is absurd….
carlosgvv
June 29th, 2012
10:01 am
Brosephus – 9:29
I wouldn’t touch that straight line with a ten foot pole.
TaxPayer
June 29th, 2012
10:01 am
I like Apple’s solution to those minimum wage non-federal income taxed workers–pay them more.
Jerome Horwitz
June 29th, 2012
10:02 am
Kamchak – That one hurt and was below the belt. Hate to admit it, but, you’re right and congratulations are due. Howver the season starts anew soon.
GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED!
Welcome to the Occupation
June 29th, 2012
10:02 am
Liberals being liberals again, simply refusing to accept that the right wing operates according to a different logic altogether.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/06/29/why-republican-governors-will-absolutely-hold-out-on-expanding-medicaid/
As I explained yesterday, the part of the ruling around the Medicaid expansion, where 7 justices agreed that this was basically a new program, and existing Medicaid funds could not be taken back by the federal government if states declined to comply, has the most near-term consequences for health care itself. Given that Medicaid expansion created half of the coverage increases in the bill, this offered half of the states the opportunity to really take an axe to the program by simply refusing to expand their Medicaid programs.
This has been dismissed by the Democratic establishment as implausible. But it’s such a good deal for those states, they say. But everyone’s in Medicaid now, they say. Nancy Pelosi has a representative sample:
“Pelosi: I don’t think governors will turn that down. People have the need, the urgency is there,” the House Democratic Leader told reporters on a press call Thursday afternoon. …. ”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 29th, 2012
10:02 am
“The bigger the government the smaller the citizen”
Thomas
June 29th, 2012
10:02 am
JP Morgan (fired) CIO to leave with 20+ mio
And the right wonders why the left doesn’t trust “business”
Remember- this was a bailed out bank that has always been able to leverage FDIC insured deposits- this wasn’t Google or UPS or a local bakery
Paul
June 29th, 2012
10:02 am
Scout
Too bad his friend couldn’t go to a socialist VA hospital and get it done quickly. VA military socialist doctors are much more efficient.
Oblama
June 29th, 2012
10:02 am
Liberals always win the war? The war never ends until the society is destroyed. Liberals led to the downfall of the Roman empire.
Truth-O-Meter
June 29th, 2012
10:02 am
Maybe ty, et.al would be willing to ask all tea party backed congressmen to renounce their government run insurance program and other benefits they receive for doing nothing but fussing like school kids, as a statement of opposition to government run programs.
Congressman Charlie Norwood had a lung transplant at taxpayer’s expense (and I am glad that he was able to do so); but let’s not continue this dishonesty about health care.
I, for one, want the folks who spend their checks on tatoos and high priced sneakers to be penalized if they don’t buy insurance so I don’t have to pay every time they get shot and go the emergency room.
Mr_B
June 29th, 2012
10:03 am
“You are going to keep giving your money to the ins(sic) companies, too. (Unless you are indigent.) Does that make you a mindless turd also?”
I would submit that anyone, left or right, who resorts to this sort of scatological invective most likely a non-sentient piece of fecal matter.
Butch Cassidy
June 29th, 2012
10:03 am
Adam – “Like I said, not too worried. I didn’t say Democrats,”
I know, but on a blog where people will actually post that FDR started WWII, you can never be too careful.
josef
June 29th, 2012
10:03 am
“Adam
June 29th, 2012
9:58 am
ty: Was Lincoln a conservative?”
***********
Yes.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
June 29th, 2012
10:03 am
Too bad none of you want to consider the cost…..just shows you those who will defend anything either party does regardless of doing your own research are poor pathetic sheep….you jump one dog in a decade then scramble back to you safe, mud slinging, irrelevant ways.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 29th, 2012
10:03 am
My girlfriend’s hairdresser’s husband has an uncle that used to work with a guy that knows someone that had very bad cataracts. He had to walk 15 miles barefoot, in the snow, uphill both ways to see his ophthalmologist.
JohnnyReb
June 29th, 2012
10:04 am
Butch – I did not hear Durbin. That reference is pretty common; I may have heard it on the radio. I do occasionally have an original thought but can’t swear that was one.
Adam – your’e kidding of course.
Finn – I believe in personal responsibility. Some people need help such as finding affordable insurance for those with preexisting conditions. It can be done with a National pool, not Obamacare.
The problem with Obamacare is like most Liberal objectives. The intent is good but you can’t pay for it without using someone elses money. And, Liberals always grade themselves and feel good about their intentions without ever considering the damage it causes.
Steve
June 29th, 2012
10:04 am
Liberals led to the downfall of the Roman Empire? Wow – another alternate universe posting.
The Roman Empire failed due to lead in the water and in the wine, and due to corruption in general.
TaxPayer
June 29th, 2012
10:04 am
Cataracts are non-life threatening and are typically detected early enough to allow for a well-planned non-emergency type treatment given the slow rate at which they progress. Yep. I have a cataract. I was told about it over a year ago and I’ll probably get it taken care of soon.
massachusetts refugee
June 29th, 2012
10:04 am
all the talk about repeal is just that – talk. even if rominee wins in november (not likely) AND the republicans maintain their majority in the house (probable) AND the republicans gain control of the senate (not impossible), the repubs won’t have the 60 votes in the senate to break any democratic filibuster. we’re where we are tight now – deadlock.
ty webb
June 29th, 2012
10:05 am
“And the right wonders why the left doesn’t trust “business””
yeah, the left doesn’t trust “business”…now what was that mandate about again?
Adam
June 29th, 2012
10:05 am
josef: how so?
massachusetts refugee
June 29th, 2012
10:05 am
***right now*** sorry
Adam
June 29th, 2012
10:05 am
Oblama: Liberals always win the war? The war never ends until the society is destroyed. Liberals led to the downfall of the Roman empire.
I am sure you have a way of backing up that assessment of history.
Paul
June 29th, 2012
10:06 am
Welcome to the Occupation
Texas has 26% uninsured. Health care policyholders pay an additional $1800 a year to cover their costs. All Texas’s prison population could move to Medicaid, saving the state half a billion dollars a year. We have a multibillion dollar deficit our conservative Republican governor and Legislature can’t fix.
Yet our attorney general’s still talking about continuing the fight and all he hear is anti-Washington rhetoric from our state leaders.
ty webb
June 29th, 2012
10:06 am
Josef,
thanks for answering…now you get have a back and forth with him. Good luck.
TaxPayer
June 29th, 2012
10:06 am
Liberals led to the downfall of the Roman empire.
Jesus! Is that so?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 29th, 2012
10:07 am
Scout 10:02 agreed
carlosgvv
June 29th, 2012
10:07 am
So many lunatic fringe conservatives here
So little space in the asylums
Butch Cassidy
June 29th, 2012
10:07 am
massachusetts refugee – “all the talk about repeal is just that – talk.”
Shhhhhhh………you’re blowing Romneys chances for election.
Mr_B
June 29th, 2012
10:08 am
josef: Did you send me a personal email a few days ago? I don’t check it too often in the summer. Anyway, the link seems to be broken.
Mr Right
June 29th, 2012
10:09 am
getalife must watch AL SHARPTON who always refers to Romney as Willard. He seems to think it belittles him in some way.
TaxPayer
June 29th, 2012
10:09 am
22% of the returns showing no income tax reported an AGI of less than $15,000.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 29th, 2012
10:09 am
Jerome Horwitz
You are very gracious, sir.
But if I was going below the belt, I coulda said something about Man. City winning the silver hardware for coming in first in the EPL while the Red Devils got no silver hardware at all.
Oh, and The Blue Lions are coming to the States this summer, but the closest to the ATL is Miami. I’ve been to this kind of exhibition game before (Man U. v Barca in Philly 2003) and while they’re fun to watch, there is only bragging rights at stake.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 29th, 2012
10:10 am
Liberals always win the war? The war never ends until the society is destroyed. Liberals led to the downfall of the Roman empire.
Lol. Some of the stuff these kids are coming up with these days, just amazing.
“Liberals” The Roman Empire?
Julius Caesar created the thing for god’s sake after generations of vicious and bloody civil war waged by the fire-eating conservatives of his day who would do anything to preserve the Republic. Caesar was the ultimate “liberal”.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 29th, 2012
10:10 am
I know a guy, self-employed making around 35-40k in his late 40s, has no insurance. A recent medical emergency resulted in an ambulance ride to a hospital, a few days in intensive care (with lots of tests), then a few more days in a regular semi-private room before being discharged. Anybody want to guess the total tab? Anybody want to guess who will end up paying it? Any private insurers out there want to cover his ongoing needs? Too bad he did not wait until 2014 to have his medical emergency.
Oblama
June 29th, 2012
10:10 am
Obama can’t pay for the mandates he already voted for – so create another mandate you can’t pay for. Now that’s a socialist for you. They love him in Greece.
Butch Cassidy
June 29th, 2012
10:11 am
It would be interesting to see a study showing the correlation between when civics stopped being taught in school in relation to how much of the population believe a President can do anything without the support of the House and the Senate.
As an example I give you the statement – “As President, I will repeal Obamacare”. Not sure who said it, but pretty sure it is 100% BS.
Adam
June 29th, 2012
10:12 am
Too bad he did not wait until 2014 to have his medical emergency.
Thank you for your concession that we should have done this whole thing a lot sooner.
josef
June 29th, 2012
10:12 am
BROSEPHUS
Gibbon anyone?
******
ADAM
Censorship of the press, suspension of habeas corpus, interception of the mails, “a higher law than the constitution,” just for starters. Remember, the Republican Party was to a great extent and outgrowth of the Know-Nothing movement, one of the most conservative the country has seen to date.
Jefferson
June 29th, 2012
10:12 am
The GOP had years to call it a tax but the chief justice has to give them a buzz word years later. Its law and the funding will have to begin. It was bad management to just think it would go away.
Adam
June 29th, 2012
10:13 am
They love him in Greece.
Hey buddy, we were talking about Rome. Want to maybe answer whether you have any historical evidence that LIBERALS caused its downfall before you jump nearly 2000 years into the future?
Mary Elizabeth
June 29th, 2012
10:13 am
It is limited to think of great leaders in terms of labels of any nature, such as “liberal or conservative.” Their thinking (Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln) is elevated and and evolves over time. See my next post for examples.
ha ha (LOL)
June 29th, 2012
10:13 am
When you look at the number of hits that Kyle’s blog gets verses Jay’s, you would think that some of the conservatives would go over and help him out. ha ha
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 29th, 2012
10:14 am
Adam, that was no concession. I have been a supporter for a long time of ACA.
Adam
June 29th, 2012
10:14 am
josef: So why did he support ending slavery? TO the point of civil war?
Brosephus™
June 29th, 2012
10:14 am
Don’t Forget
Ok, sounds like an allergic reaction or something. I’ll cancel that prescription.
josef
June 29th, 2012
10:14 am
Mr B
Ignore that…my e-mail got hacked and that was the result…sorry. First time it’s happened to me, but should be fixed now…
Oblama
June 29th, 2012
10:14 am
Next push? Legalized schedule I narcotics sold over the counter and through the internet. Obama admits to doing “CROAK”. He is going for the youth vote with this one.
Adam
June 29th, 2012
10:15 am
East Cobb: In that case I am confused as tot he point you were trying to make.
Adam
June 29th, 2012
10:15 am
Oblama: Next push? Legalized schedule I narcotics sold over the counter and through the internet. Obama admits to doing “CROAK”. He is going for the youth vote with this one.
And this proves liberals caused the Roman Empire to fall… how?
Adam
June 29th, 2012
10:16 am
Holy crap does that really say the air quality in Atlanta is 151?????
fair and balanced
June 29th, 2012
10:16 am
George W. had a better idea than Obamacare and Romneycare: just give free drugs to the elderly with no tax or funding source and make sure big Pharama (after contributing to his 2004 campaign) gets rich off of it. Everybody is happy votes tp reelect the genius and screw the deficit -that is only an issue of a Democrat is in control and dares to ask people to pay their share.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 29th, 2012
10:16 am
Paul @ 10:02
Never been to one so I wouldn’t know.
P.S.
I sure hope your lines are long.
Matti
June 29th, 2012
10:17 am
Adam,
The air quality is likely to get worse before it gets better. When you go outside, try not to breathe.
Mr_B
June 29th, 2012
10:18 am
In the sense of wishing to maintain the status quo, ie. the Union, Lincoln certainly was conservative.
josef, were the southern successionists not termed “radicals” in the northern press?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 29th, 2012
10:18 am
“A little more than 400 years ago a king of England, James I, was informed by one of his judges, Edward Coke, that while the king was under no man, he was under God and the law.
This was one of the earliest and most powerful suggestions that our legal system (borrowed from the English) had, as its core principle, that there must be some restraint on arbitrary power.”
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/28/opinion/presser-supreme-court/index.html?iid=article_sidebar
Mary Elizabeth
June 29th, 2012
10:18 am
Here is my response to a poster at 9:46 am on the previous thread:
“You do not speak truth. The founding fathers of America did not “support slavery.” John Adams, from the industrial Northeast was an advocate against slavery. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson both existed within the Southern (VA) agrarian society in which slavery had been a means of economic survival, which they were born into. Washington knew that slavery was wrong and in his will freed his slaves upon his wife’s death. Jefferson’s slaves multiplied over the years to be more in number than were needed on his estate for economic viability for his estate, but he would not sell them to ruthless slave owners nor did he want to break up slave families if he could keep from doing so. Further, Jefferson supported the dismantling of slavery, in time, when the slaves could support themselves within the society in which they existed, and when others would evolve to see the necessity for the dismantling of slavery because slavery went against America’s ideals and basic tenets of which he wrote. Jefferson predicted this end of slavery would fall within 50 years of his prediction, well after his death. His prediction was pretty much spot on. The Civil War occurred 50 years after his prediction, although Jefferson had hoped when he had made that prediction that slavery would end naturally in the course of human evolution and not through battle.”
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 29th, 2012
10:19 am
Adam, the point being made is an example of why this reform is needed (and overdue) and the real lives it affects. Plus the idea the Cons think it will cost taxpayers a lot of money. Well paying the hospital tab for unisured patients already costs taxpayers a lot of money. But Cons tend to leave that out of their arguments against ACA.
Brosephus™
June 29th, 2012
10:19 am
Keep @ 9:40
You owe me one ham sammich as you just made me drop what was left of mine….
That was soooooooo wrong….
RB from Gwinnett
June 29th, 2012
10:19 am
Jay, do you know if they plan to put the free health insurance office close to the section 8 line so our “less fortunate” can get back to their flat screen and AC without too much inconvenience?
I sure hope they don’t have to show a photo ID or we’ll have millions unable to participate.
Canada South
June 29th, 2012
10:19 am
Put all your stock in abortion clinics. There will be franchises sold nation wide due to ObamaCare.
Mr_B
June 29th, 2012
10:19 am
out for a while
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 29th, 2012
10:20 am
as your accountant, i must point out an un-tapped
revenue stream for ajcdotcom-
think ‘AM radio transcript publishing’ – you’re already doing it here
Scott Fresno
June 29th, 2012
10:20 am
“We got the idea from Newt,” said Romney. “And Newt got it from the Heritage Foundation.”
And the idea is a simple one: freeloaders cost the system billions and indirectly raise insurance for those who do the right thing.
Said the Mitt in 2009: “Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages free riders to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass on their medical costs to others.”
josef
June 29th, 2012
10:21 am
ADAM
Lincoln did not “support” the ending of slavery to the point of a Civil War. He supported the unity of the nation to the point of a civil war. Emancipation was not at issue in his policies until well into the war and even then was lukewarm at best. His view, as he stated, was that if he could hold the union together with no abolition, he would. If he could hold it together by freeing all the slaves, he would. If he could hold it together by freeing some and not others, he would. He chose the latter.
Jay
June 29th, 2012
10:22 am
Good ol’ RB, loving his ongoing class warfare against the poor.
kayaker 71
June 29th, 2012
10:22 am
“No new taxes on anyone making less than 250K/yr….. not one thin dime”. Another Bozo lie. We have now been issued the largest tax increase on American citizens in our history. “You can keep your doctor”. “This will only cost the American taxpayer 940B dollars”. “You can keep your insurance provider”. All lies. Bozo has lied his way to a victory in this whole cluster**** and you liberals are cheering him on. Just like Holder lied about his knowledge of F&F. A pack of lies that even the most stupid and uninformed among us cannot deny. And because Holder is black, the entire Congressional Black Caucus walks out of the House in protest adding immense credibility to that organization of race pimps and victims of white suppression. You liberals must be proud. This is not over, not by a long shot. We will see in November who is spiking the football.
Mary Elizabeth
June 29th, 2012
10:23 am
If the will of the people evolves in time so that they wish that the federal government to secure their healthcare plan as well as their Social Security pensions in their old age, then the will of the people should be followed. The “will of the people” was the one value that Jefferson believed should remain constant throughout history. He well knew that that “will” would evolve over time.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 29th, 2012
10:23 am
Obama: “It’s NOT a tax” !
Steve
June 29th, 2012
10:23 am
How is this a tax increase? If this will lower the debt, as the CBO projects, and if this will help to stabilize health insurance costs, then my net income increases.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 29th, 2012
10:23 am
Cons got their arse handed to them by Roberts
I think Roberts lost a lot of credibility with a convoluted opinion
And I think the 4 con justices are hacked
Here we go!
June 29th, 2012
10:24 am
I see “knee replacements in England” arguments have been replaced by “cataract surgery from Canada” arguments. My brother-in-law who is an orthopedic surgeon does a great deal of knee replacements. He said that surgery is not dependant on immediacy at all. Most of those surgerys have the same wait you would get in England or Canada. It is time we all admit Insurance companies have been driving our health care up drastically to pay for their dividends to stockholders, their CEO salaries and bonuses, and their huge overhead. A few years ago the overhead for ins companies was about 16% vs. govt run medicare/midecaid at 2%. That’s a huge difference when we are the ones coughing up the price. I am tired of seeing people (thankfully I am not one of them)that have to decide between meds they need for their health or food on the table when Ins CEO’s are getting paid by the millions, per year. This is one thing corporations do NOT do better!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 29th, 2012
10:24 am
A pack of lies that even the most stupid and uninformed among us cannot deny.
A lie on the magnitude of the smoking gun is the mushroom cloud kinda lie?
Don't Forget
June 29th, 2012
10:24 am
Josef, if you don’t like the insurance aspect of the bill (and I don’t either) don’t you think Leiberman bears a large part of the blame?
http://voices.yahoo.com/senator-joe-lieberman-vows-vote-against-healthcare-5075261.html?cat=5
Butch Cassidy
June 29th, 2012
10:24 am
kayaker 71 – “And because Holder is black, the entire Congressional Black Caucus walks out of the House ”
Dennis Kucinich is black? Who knew?
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 29th, 2012
10:24 am
Scott Fresno
June 29th, 2012
10:20 am
****************
I cannot wait for the debates to see Romney try to ’splain his healthcare position(s). Obama will have a blast with that.
Adam
June 29th, 2012
10:24 am
RB: section 8 line so our “less fortunate” can get back to their flat screen and AC without too much inconvenience?
Oh good grief….
Steve
June 29th, 2012
10:25 am
Here’s the meme: This isn’t a “tax” it’s a DEDUCTION.
This “tax” on not paying health care is the same “tax” you pay by renting or not being married. This “tax” is yet another incentive in place to encourage social stability and the general welfare.
If you own a home or get married or buy healthcare you get a tax DEDUCTION.
Adam
June 29th, 2012
10:25 am
East Cobb: All true
josef
June 29th, 2012
10:25 am
MR B
“josef, were the southern successionists not termed “radicals” in the northern press?”
Indeed, they were. They were also viewed as proponents of the radicalism of the French Revolution, which led to the deFrankicisation policies of the occupation. Divorcing from the side-taking, the union had a point there.
mm
June 29th, 2012
10:26 am
“Gotta love the sheer desperation and dishonesty of the left as usual.”
Sheer projection.
godless heathen
June 29th, 2012
10:26 am
I sure hope they don’t have to show a photo ID or we’ll have millions unable to participate.
BOOM!
Adam
June 29th, 2012
10:26 am
josef: Having a union (heh) isn’t exactly conservative though is it?