Will the Supremes be ObamaCare’s real ‘death panel’?
It is, if you think about it, kind of ironic.
As ObamaCare was being passed, conservatives complained that the entire U.S. health care industry was being remade in secret with the results being “crammed down their throats” by a majority allegedly uninterested in negotiation. Little to none of that was true, but in this debate truth had been pummeled, kicked and left to die in an alleyway months earlier anyway.
Now those same conservatives eagerly await while the entire U.S. health care industry is remade in true secrecy, by unchallengeable edict issued from private chambers by nine robed figures haughtily and altogether immune to public opinion.
Once the announcement is “handed down” — a telling phrase, that one — sometime around 10:15, I’ll post a running analysis as I speed-read through the opinion, much as we handled the immigration ruling earlier this week.
It’ll be days before the dust settles on this one, and months and even years before the wounds from it heal. It has the potential to reshuffle the political environment as well as the health-care system, and to permanently alter the image and role of the Supreme Court as well.
Other than that, it’s not all that important.
– Jay Bookman
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stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
7:57 am
a running analysis as I speed-read through the opinion
Jay, your candor is noted, and appreciated.
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
7:58 am
Other than that, it’s not all that important.
Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like “My American Cousin”?
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
7:58 am
They’re sending the runner, he’s diving into third…
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
7:58 am
unless they rule like jay wants them to…then everything’s okay.
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
7:59 am
…bad throw, skips near the dugout, can he make it home?
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
7:59 am
I can’t wait for the decision either way…looking forward to the comments later today on here.
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
7:59 am
nope. (sorry. Always wanted to try that.)
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
8:00 am
then everything’s okay.
You don’t know Jay very well if you think he’d ever post such a thing.
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
8:00 am
Either way the decision comes down, the insurance industry wins. If the ACA is upheld, they have a limitless customer base they can collect from until they just get tired and quit. If it’s overturned, then it’s right back to square one with people being dropped like bat guano from the top of a cave.
I don’t see a win for us either way. I guess I’ll also add that I don’t like this law, regardless to whether it’s constitutional or not. I really don’t give a rat’s ass about the constitutional part. The only way to begin to gain control over costs is to cut out the middle man. It’s no different than being squeezed by the mafia or something like that.
TaxPayer
June 28th, 2012
8:01 am
Medicare and Medicaid should be expanded to cover our entire population.
How many of you out there in electronland would give up your current health insurance through your work or Medicare, etc., in exchange for a few hundred dollars extra per month in your pocket and the “freedom” to haggle in an unregulated market place for your healthcare needs?
carlosgvv
June 28th, 2012
8:08 am
“wounds from it heal”
Regardless of how the Court rules, Republicans have shown their complete allegiance to protecting America’s healthcare industry and their “cash cow” system which grinds out every dollar they can get off the backs of the people. The people have indeed been “wounded” by Republican lust for political power at any price and in any way.
Citizen of the World
June 28th, 2012
8:09 am
If the court rules that the insurance mandate is unconstitutional, seems like that would just leave us no choice but to move to a single payer system supported by tax dollars, which I’m sure the Republicans don’t want, but the American people will eventually demand as the costly and cruel status quo sinks us further and further into heath care hell.
Jerome Horwitz
June 28th, 2012
8:10 am
Bro’ – Take it your for single payer? If so, I’m with you. Have a friend who’s English and is here because of a spouse’s employement. He is amazed that a country this rich has such a convoluted health care system that just sucks.
GT
June 28th, 2012
8:13 am
When the attorney general of Georgia joined the case I was thinking once again we are spending good money after bad. We can’t feed our own, but we got money to play the lottery. Little did I realize law doesn’t matter any more, nor do facts. Like steroids it is all about winning at any cost and man has the cost gone up.
carlosgvv
June 28th, 2012
8:13 am
Jerome – 8:10
Tell your English friend that if Big Business takes over his counrty’s politicial system as it has in America, his health care system will just suck too.
Gale
June 28th, 2012
8:13 am
What Brosephus said. This law was flawed from the beginning by the insistance of keeping insurance companies in business, nay, enriching insurance companies beyond their already grand profits. The issue is fundamentally simple; keep people healthy, at least those who choose to be healthy, and don’t let the rest die for want of care. The current system rewards healthcare professionals for services rendered, not for keeping people healthy.
Thomas
June 28th, 2012
8:13 am
There’s an explosive story out (six days ago) in the Daily Mail over in the UK claiming that Britain’s National Health Service euthanizes 130,000 elderly patients a year. This claim doesn’t issue from some loopy former governor of an arctic province; it comes from professor Patrick Pullicino, a consultant neurologist for East Kent Hospitals and Professor of Clinical Neurosciences at the University of Kent. He made this claim in a speech to the Royal Society of Medicine in London. From the Daily Mail:
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
8:14 am
Now those same conservatives eagerly await while the entire U.S. health care industry is remade in true secrecy, by unchallengeable edict issued from private chambers by nine robed figures haughtily and altogether immune to public opinion.
Total mischaracterization, Jay. Nothing is being “remade” today. They are ruling on the constitutionality of the vast overreach by the Democrats. The process is the same as any other SCOTUS ruling.
I’m smelling sour grapes here already.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
June 28th, 2012
8:14 am
JAY,
“little to none of that is true….” why is it Jay when your heros’ score a run despite lack of class and transparency, the other team is a bunch of whiners? I guess same rule applies when SCOTUS doesn’t rule in your favor you become the whiner….”judicial activism, judicial activism…get one of our guys on the bench so this problem will go away…’ In that event, would you argue with the sheepish righties who would be whining “judicial activism” at that point?
Simple Truths
June 28th, 2012
8:15 am
What a hack…
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 28th, 2012
8:15 am
Good morning all y’all…
Just been checking out a blurb about Massachusetts GOP and Ron Paul Delegates. Seems that Mr. Paul’s people owned most of the delegates and the Mass. GOP didn’t like that…especially since Massachusetts is Romney’s home State. So what do they do? They require..REQUIRE… a loyalty oath affidavit for Mitt Romney. The GOP is insane.
Now if I remember my history correctly, the last Country’s leader (besides G. W. Bush) to require a loyalty oath was Adolph Hitler…are we seeing a resemblance here?
There has been much talk on this blog about “Obama’s Brown Shirts”…But could it be more like Romney’s Black Shirts? Just asking….
Paul
June 28th, 2012
8:15 am
From downstairs:
If the mandate is tossed, it ain’t all bad. Look at how far Republicans have come
“The individual mandate is the right, good and constitutional thing to do.”
“Democrats agree? Wait… the mandate is socialism, an affront to freedom and unconstitutional!”
“We’ll throw out Obamacare.”
“We’ll throw it out… but we’ll replace it, too!!”
“We kinda like no caps.”
“Not getting dropped when you get sick is okay.”
“Coverage for preexisting conditions is good.”
“We think we should have high-risk pools.”
In other words, Democrats lifted the individual mandate from Republicans, then Republicans fought it.
Republicans lifted all the other ideas from Democrats, and Democrats will support them.
Progress.
Paul
June 28th, 2012
8:16 am
Bruno
When do you sleep?
ken
June 28th, 2012
8:16 am
Just rememder that Medicare turns down more claims than any private insurance company.
Recon 0311 2533
June 28th, 2012
8:17 am
“Little to none of that was true”
Of course it was true. There was no open discussion that the public could view as Obama had promised. As for permanently altering the image and role of the Supreme Court that sounds like preparation to charge the Court with right wing politics and suggest that it shouldn’t function as an equal branch of government should the ruling go against Obama’s health care bill.
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
8:17 am
I really don’t give a rat’s ass about the constitutional part.
I do, and I’ll explain why. The conventional wisdom among left *and* right upon the PPACA’s passage (save for the most extreme elements out there) was that whatever you thought of the bill, there was no way that conservatives could really hope to challenge the individual mandate.
There was precedent up the wazoo for where the Feds had required this or that payment for this or that program, and there were mandates all over the place for privately run enterprises, going back literally hundreds of years. Sure, some would mount a legal challenge–that’s how you keep people honest, right?–but the way to attack the ACA, if you were on the right, was to field candidates who’d write and sign laws repealing/replacing it.
It should be rather breathtaking that within a single President’s term, moneyed interests could wrest control and use the machinery that’d been carefully built. Just enough loopy right-wing judges slipped through to kick the arguments upstairs, and lots of corporate propaganda aimed at dismantling even more of the New Deal.
So I get your pragmatism, but I can’t help but think about where this ruling—wherever it goes, today—says we’re headed.
However the ruling comes down, sure, this process-story is just a process-story. But it’s kind of a big deal. It rates a “bigger than a rat’s ass” to me, I guess I’m sayin’.
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
8:17 am
Well, Bruno’s already on record. Although I would expect better from him. I also see our little ant hill kicker is here doing what he does best…
Brosephus–I’ll spike the ball for freedom any day. This isn’t about politics, it’s about our fundamental right to determine our own course of action in life.
Paul
June 28th, 2012
8:18 am
Jerome
Wife and I were in Ireland at a little cafe. It was crowded and two young ladies, one in a wheelchair, joined us at our table. They asked “can we ask you a question?” We said ’sure.’ They asked ‘we’ve heard in America that only people who can afford it have health insurance, and if you don’t have it you can’t afford a lot of the treatments. Is that true?” We answered, “pretty much, yes.”
They replied “We’d heard that but we just didn’t believe it.”
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
8:18 am
“There’s an explosive story out (six days ago) in the Daily Mail”
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that tells you all you need to know.
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
8:20 am
The issue is fundamentally simple; keep people healthy, at least those who choose to be healthy
Gale–You seem to be confused about where “health” comes from. It doesn’t come from doctors, it comes from the individual.
jconservative
June 28th, 2012
8:20 am
“…unchallengeable edict issued from private chambers by nine robed figures…”
Actually it will probably be 5, maybe 6, with an outside shot at 7 “robed figures”.
This court seems to thrive on 5.
MiltonMan
June 28th, 2012
8:21 am
“We can’t feed our own, but we got money to play the lottery>”
We have straving dying kids in Georgia???
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
8:22 am
“You seem to be confused about where “health” comes from. It doesn’t come from doctors, it comes from the individual.”
gosh, my sister who has MS will be interested to hear that SHE’S responsible for contracting the disease.
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
8:24 am
All I can do is hope that some of you here wake up and smell the coffee and realize that the ACA doesn’t address the root causes of the problems in our health care system: (1) Too many unhealthy people (2) An over-reliance on drug and surgery-based solutions (3) Out-of-control pricing.
The entire thrust of the ACA was a meaningless attempt to further spread costs around. Predictably, people fell for the specious “free rider” argument pushed by Jay and several of the Libs here, foolishly believing that a mandate to purchase insurance is going to lower costs. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence realizes that the ACA will increase overall costs in many ways, increased overhead for doctors only being one of them.
Until Americans start taking more responsibility for their own health, their own lives, their own destiny, no amount of band-aids are going to stop the bleeding.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
8:24 am
Jay: “Touchdown!”
Spiking the ball by the loser? Wait….
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
8:24 am
Republicans didn’t have any input in Obamacare Jay. Thats a flat out lie on your part…
Gale
June 28th, 2012
8:25 am
No Bruno, as you noticed, I said “those who choose to be healthy”. I am well aware that some people ignore their well being by choice. They smoke, they eat too much, they drink too much, they do not exercise, often when they know they have some chronic disease. Doctors do not get paid by insurance companies to console those patients to better behavior that would improve their health. Doctors are reimbursed for running tests, performing procedures, and prescribing drugs. None of those things help the patient get healthy in the long run.
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
8:25 am
Bro’ – Take it your for single payer?
Not entirely. I’d rather we adopt a system that provided basic care for all and allowed insurance to cover the catastrophic and other things that it’s supposed to be used for. Most counties already have health clinics up and running, so there’s no major investments that need to take place. Single payer over the entire system would put government (or the single payer) in charge of all things including stuff like cosmetic surgery. Those things I feel should be paid for by the person instead of covered by all. I’m more concerned that people at least get the basic checkups to see what they need to do to improve their health on their own.
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dB
This country is so polarized that I’m surprised that Republicans in DC haven’t repudiated Jesus, given the fact that Obama has stressed time and time again that he’s Christian. I guess that’s why some feel a need to call him Muslim. That way, they can keep their anti-Obama cred without having to give up their own religion in the process.
I understand the previous rulings and laws that have upheld the commerce clause. That’s part of the reason for my pragmatism towards the Constitutionality part of this issue. As Gale put it earler, I’m more concerned with people being able to get the medical care they need without having to live in a cardboard box to do so.
If it’s overturned, many GOPers in DC have already said they’re not in a hurry to do anything to help those who really need it most. As long as I have my job, I’ll have coverage, so this decision doesn’t affect me much other than me giving even more of my money to insurance companies in the hopes they don’t drop me or my family because I didn’t spit my watermelon seeds over my right shoulder or something else crazy like that.
Thomas
June 28th, 2012
8:25 am
It is amazing to observe seemingly intelligent folks dismiss half or more of the country on a daily basis as “loopy” “dumb” “out of touch”
truly amazing and we wonder how the progression has stalled-
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
8:25 am
Jays throwing a tantrum. And the ruling hasn’t even come out yet…
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
8:25 am
gosh, my sister who has MS will be interested to hear that SHE’S responsible for contracting the disease.
USinUK–Only a small fraction of our health care dollars go to treat people like your sister. The vast majority go toward treating conditions which are preventable.
skipper
June 28th, 2012
8:26 am
I remember when Pelosi was pushing the issue; that alone made me against it! lol But seriously, I do not think this is the answer. The malpractice suits (many of them frivolous) are a major part of what drove insurance up to start with. My Dad is a retired M.D. and by the time he did, his rates had SKYROCKETED even though he never got sued! Per Shakespeare: “The first thing is, we get rid of the lawers!”
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
8:26 am
setting aside the politics of the matter, this is the funniest lead I’ve read in ages:
Larry Tribe, the Harvard law professor who taught both Barack Obama and John Roberts, says the mandate will be upheld. So does Tom Goldstein of SCOTUSblog. And Linda Greenhouse of the New York Times. Ed Whelan of the National Review says it’s gone. A poll of former Supreme Court clerks backs him up. Ex-Solicitor General Walter Dellinger says the Court will split the difference. Orin Kerr, a former Kennedy clerk, makes a convincing argument that the Supreme Court will never give you up, never let you down, never run around and desert you.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/06/28/individual-mandageddon-its-the-next-president-that-matters-most/?hpid=z1
Paul
June 28th, 2012
8:26 am
Bruno
“This isn’t about politics, it’s about our fundamental right to determine our own course of action in life.”
Yeah, like people exercising their God-given right to not provide for themselves and their families and when they get sick, having other people pay for it.
Freedom is grand, isn’t it?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 28th, 2012
8:27 am
“Republicans didn’t have any input in Obamacare Jay. That’s a flat out lie on your part”
Since Obama Care was mostly a copy of Romney Care, I’d have to say…politely…you are misinformed…
GT
June 28th, 2012
8:27 am
What was never abundantly clear ,until this case, to the American public, was how horrendous our health care financing had become in this country. We were a little in between the old system of lifetime employment and corporate benefits and the new young generation who didn’t buy health insurance. The reality leaked in at a slow pace and we woke up one day realizing we had been raped by the industry, held down by the insurance lobbies and assisted by the Republican Party who would have never changed a thing until this came to light. Now the Republicans like a sleeping policeman on the beat wake up and have it all together. Give me a break.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
8:27 am
Bruno –
“Only a small fraction of our health care dollars go to treat people like your sister. The vast majority go toward treating conditions which are preventable.”
baby.
bathwater.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 28th, 2012
8:28 am
130,000? The only name on our list is yours Thomas.
We better catch up.
jconservative
June 28th, 2012
8:29 am
Paul 8:15 am
Good point.
The question is where will be 5 years from now on health care? And that was the question before the Court even accepted the case.
Anyone paying attention knew that with the 2003 passage of Bush’s senior drug bill that some form of “universal” coverage would pass congress within 10 years.
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
8:29 am
“Republicans didn’t have any input in Obamacare Jay. ”
The mandate was their f’ing idea. What are you talking about? Nevermind it was pretty much a copy of RomneyCare.
Paul
June 28th, 2012
8:29 am
Bruno
My prior post was in reference to your 8:17. Amazing how quickly people are posting this morning.
Regarding “(1) Too many unhealthy people (2) An over-reliance on drug and surgery-based solutions ”
If people hated the mandate because they didn’t want gov’t telling them what to do, I can only imagine what their reaction would be to the ’solutions’ for those two items.
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
8:29 am
Doctors do not get paid by insurance companies to console those patients to better behavior that would improve their health.
Gale–I’m on the front line of health care. I counsel people every day about how to better take care of themselves. About 10% listen at best. In other words, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. Until people take responsibility for their own health, we’re going nowhere but down. Pardon me if I don’t wish to fund our own suicide.
Gale
June 28th, 2012
8:30 am
USinUK, Sorry, my point was not aimed at those with diseases or congenital health problems. Americans spend a great deal of money on drugs when we could improve our health with exercise and diet.
I know that MS and various other diseases cannot be willed away or avoided by better behavior. But a huge drain on health care resources is caused by people more willing to take a drug than to change their behavior.
Darwin
June 28th, 2012
8:30 am
ACA was modeled after a right wing think tank and Romney’s Mass. plan. It really didn’t look at controlling costs but insuring those who currently are not insured. Republicans found they could gain more by running the same old antics of “government takeover of health care.” It wasn’t about protecting insurance companies (which it did). It was about poiwer.
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
8:30 am
I’ll spike the ball for freedom any day. This isn’t about politics, it’s about our fundamental right to determine our own course of action in life.
If everybody had the same choices and the same freedoms, then I’d agree with you. However, you and I both know that some people have a hill to climb while others have a mountain range and ocean to cross.
Freedom isn’t free. While you consider yourself free not having to pay for others, there are those like me who take up your slack. Unlike you, I can’t go without insurance coverage since I have a wife and child that I prefer to have covered. I guess that’s the difference between having to fend for yourself versus having a family to provide for. When I was single, I was no different than you. However, once I became responsible for taking care of a family, I couldn’t live the “wild and free” lifestyle anymore.
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
8:30 am
“Since Obama Care was mostly a copy of Romney Care…”
yet with one huge difference…care to guess what it was? I’ll hang up and listen.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
8:31 am
“Medicare and Medicaid should be expanded to cover our entire population”
Insanity
JohnnyReb
June 28th, 2012
8:31 am
“Little to none of that (the throat cramming thing) was true…”
Jay, what would it take for you to agree it true?
There was extreme partisan divide. Scott Walker received huge sums of money from out of state people so he would win the MA Senate seat under the hope his election would kill the bill.
But no, the Left crammed it through.
There are lots of legitimate reasons the bill should be repealed, but for us political junkies on the Right there is another.
Because of the way it was passed; because of the way Nancy spoke of it, because of the pay-offs to Democrats to get their votes, etc. etc. I want to see it trashed. Jump up and down on it till its in smitheeens. Then, force feed the left overs to Obama with him choking on every spoonful.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
8:31 am
Bruno – I agree with you that obesity is a problem that is in individual control – HOWEVER, you’re sentencing people like my sister as well as people who have lupus, CFS, rhumatoid arthritis (and osteo, for that matter) to debilitating health care costs
meanwhile, interesting stats (and ooooooo a pie chart!):
http://www.kaiseredu.org/issue-modules/us-health-care-costs/background-brief.aspx
PJ
June 28th, 2012
8:32 am
ken @8:16 am
Agreed. They should stop turning down all the Hoveround requests.
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
8:33 am
“yet with one huge difference…care to guess what it was?”
And what was that difference?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 28th, 2012
8:33 am
Bruno,
You are sounding a little hard and cold this morning. I hope everything is OK with you.
I know that a lot of folks don’t believe that health care is a right, but I believe it should be and should be carried by the Government much like Medicare is for me. One of the greatest things I was ever taught by my folks was that Americans helped each other, and our Government, as our benevolent benefactor, was to be the driving force. America should have no poverty, no poor, and no sickness because we ARE America. How can we say we are the best nation if we can’t provide basic needs for our citizens? I really do not understand this.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
8:33 am
“yet with one huge difference…care to guess what it was? I’ll hang up and listen.”
if you think it is the mandate, you’d be wrong
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/15/us/politics/comparing-two-health-care-laws.html
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
8:34 am
Normal Free…Pro Human Rights Thug…And liking it!:
I would say that state level verses federal level are two different things. You are sadly informed. If states want to implement this law go for it. But the federal gubmint doing it is not within reason…
Paul
June 28th, 2012
8:35 am
USinUK
Mrs. Paul had a friend and here three little girls over to swim yesterday.
Mom has Crohn’s disease.
Little girl has rheumatoid arthritis.
This stuff ain’t theoretical.
TaxPayer
June 28th, 2012
8:36 am
Republicans didn’t have any input in Obamacare Jay. Thats a flat out lie on your part…
I Object!
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
8:36 am
Carlos, I know you probably meant to not single out “republicans” in your post @ 8.08.
It would be a horrible mistake to pin the blame for the sorry state of affairs we find ourselves in exclusively on the GOP. Obama surely learned, if he didn’t know already going in, that any incremental changes to the way this country transfers money were going to be subject to the wishes of an unelected business establishment and the Democrats played along from the beginning.
Remember that brief period when Senators were drafting some plans to replace the public option with a modest option to expand of Medicare buy-in to those aged 55-64? Remember how there seemed, for a brief shining moment, that this might attract some who’d been disinclined to have any publicly funded insurance beyond Medicaid written into the PPACA?
Remember how “independent” Joe Lieberman was the guy made the first public stink about it?
No way it was just Traitor Joe originating the stink. I think it is extremely likely Joe was told by some Blue Dog types “you’re the fall guy, and we’re calling in a favor in exchange for screwing us earlier”.
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
8:36 am
Peadawg,
think real hard…it’ll come to you.
UsinUk,
not talking about the mandate.
Paul
June 28th, 2012
8:36 am
Peadawg
“And what was that difference?”
You’re supposed to guess!!!
Spoilsport.
But this is tricky. You’re not supposed to guess the ‘correct’ answer.
You’re supposed to guess what the questioner thinks it is.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
8:36 am
” Nevermind it was pretty much a copy of RomneyCare.”
False. And most of romneycare was written by democrats in the legislature. Still, Romney signed it.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
8:38 am
Jm – the facts don’t support you
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/15/us/politics/comparing-two-health-care-laws.html
kayaker 71
June 28th, 2012
8:38 am
Bookman,
All of the lies, bribes, backroom deals and sellouts that occurred prior to the Affordable Care Act (a contradiction in terms) were disgusting. The LA purchase, the welfare money for Nebraska, “You can keep your insurance company”, “You can keep your doctor”, “This won’t add a single dime to the federal budget”, “This will only cost the American taxpayer 940B dollars”….. all done under the premise that if we just can get this passed, medical insurance companies as we know them, will be a thing of the past. This whole cluster has been and still is, pointed at destroying these companies and putting government under control of over 1/6 of our economy. We all know how government manages things of this type…. government is an utter failure when it comes to predicting budgets, outcomes and making timely decisions. Always ends up costing twice as much and being managed twice as inefficiently. Your whole argument only tells half of the story, as usual. That is, if they rule against this insanity. If they don’t and the bill is upheld, all of these 4 white guys and an uncle tom will suddenly be your heroes.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
8:38 am
Paul – but evidently those things are AAAALLLLLLL preventable and they should have stopped doing whatever it was they were doing to catch those diseases. or something.
Cosby
June 28th, 2012
8:39 am
Either way, the Supreme Court has lost its way in the past twenty years. their job is to rule on the constitution and the law, but, as we have seen, they let their own politicial idiology interfear. And on todays court – Kagel and Sotomyer who are known to judge on emmotion. The Federal government and the Supreme Court are broken
Paul
June 28th, 2012
8:39 am
An excellent article, in plain English, from Scotusblog about what’s being decided today.
http://www.scotusblog.com/2012/06/anticipating-the-health-care-decision-in-plain-english/#more-147840
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
8:39 am
Paul,
no, there is a correct answer.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
8:39 am
“I know that a lot of folks don’t believe that health care is a right, but I believe it should be”
Please name the other rights enshrined in the constitution that cost a fortune.
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
8:41 am
About Thomas’ post @ 8.13? Specifically, the phrase…
“This claim doesn’t issue from some loopy former governor of an arctic province”
for the record: the Google sez
Search About 1,520 results (0.32 seconds)
Jeez.
mtown9999
June 28th, 2012
8:41 am
Jay:
“and to permanently alter the image and role of the Supreme Court as well.”
IF the Supreme Court overturns Obamacare, please disect and truly read the decision. Just because YOU may not agree with the decision, doesn’t mean that “IT WILL PERMANENTLY ALTER THE IMAGE AND THE ROLE OF THE SUPREME COURT”. I’m not an attorny and you shouldn’t pretend you are one either. These are some of the most brilliant law minds in the world. You are always citing economists, scientists, etc in your articles, but yet act as if the Supreme Court justices arent’ given the same privilege as being experts in their field.
Don't Tread
June 28th, 2012
8:41 am
Will the Supremes be ObamaCare’s real ‘death panel’?
Let’s hope so.
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
8:41 am
” America should have no poverty, no poor, and no sickness”
You may want to phone your local congressmen to be more worried America and not policing the entire world.
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
8:42 am
Kagel and Sotomyer who are known to judge on emmotion.
If you’re going to play that tiresome, fact-free card, you ought to at least know how to spell it.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 28th, 2012
8:42 am
Scalia needs to be taken out back and dealt with. Let’s see if Roberts does it today.
Funny thing is, Scalia’s Arizona opinion was agreed to by exactly ZERO of the other conservative judges on the SC. Not even Thomas was gonna back that grossly political opinion.
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
8:42 am
Medicare and Medicaid should be expanded to cover our entire population.
Both expanded and contracted.
Medicare should cover all… but with a high deductible for all. Medicaid makes up the difference for those with no income and no assets. Those with income and assets can still buy supplemental policies to cover things that Medicare doesn’t cover (which is the case now anyway).
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
8:43 am
You may want to phone your local congressmen to be more worried America and not policing the entire world.
But what if my local congressman refuses to help anyone but those outside the country or outside his country club?
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 28th, 2012
8:43 am
Please name the other rights enshrined in the constitution that cost a fortune.
Is national security in there (the military)?
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
8:44 am
Speaking of tiresome and fact-free talking points–for those who are pulling Ye Olde “They did it in SECRET! the Preznit PROMISED!”
I remain sorry that you didn’t get the transparency that you didn’t vote for.
(hey, if they can play oldies-but-goodies that were scripted for them, I can play an oldie I actually authored myself.)
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
8:45 am
dammit, Finneus beat me to it
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 28th, 2012
8:45 am
My bet: The SC will punt until the mandate goes into effect in 2015.
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
8:45 am
“But what if my local congressman refuses to help anyone but those outside the country or outside his country club?”
Vote his ass out.
Talking Head
June 28th, 2012
8:45 am
“Now those same conservatives eagerly await while the entire U.S. health care industry is remade in true secrecy, by unchallengeable edict issued from private chambers by nine robed figures haughtily and altogether immune to public opinion.”
Sounds like someone isn’t a fan of that whole ‘checks and balance’ system. Wouldn’t it be easier if we just gave supreme power to the President…oh wait
TaxPayer
June 28th, 2012
8:46 am
Please name the other rights enshrined in the constitution that cost a fortune.
The right to bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iraq, er, um, I mean, Iran.
Here we go!
June 28th, 2012
8:47 am
The reason this debate is even happening is because of this:
http://www.wlfi.com/dpps/health/healthy_living/a-health-care-judas-recounts-his-conversion_4218979
I am hoping as a Christian, an American, something out of the decision today will stop what this article speaks about. I find it hard to grasp that we as a country will put in billions of dollars to support a war, rebuild schools in a foreign country, continue to police the world, yet allow our own people, some of whom have fought for this country, to die because they can’t afford health insurance. Where is our moral compass? Can we not agree the health insurance industry isn’t “for” us, it is “for” making money, plain and simple. I’m not saying anything is wrong with making money, but our people are dying, and some of us don’t seem to care. What happened to us?
Paul
June 28th, 2012
8:49 am
ty webb
“no, there is a correct answer.”
How about “I just like the attention from getting people to guess and engage me instead of just laying out my case?”
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
8:51 am
Sorry usinuk
Keep trying
They don’t even mention the medical device tax and new investments tax from obamacare
They picked out a few things that were similar and said: hey they’re about the same!
You have to look at the entirety of the law
In addition, I have read multiple times the max romneycare penalty was $219. So I don’t know where NYT gets their info
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
8:51 am
Vote his ass out.
I wish… but the guy won’t even hold a public meeting with constituents and he’s the only one on the ballot, because he’s got that much pull around here.
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
8:52 am
Where is our moral compass?
Wrapped up in embryos instead of people.
Bill Orvis White
June 28th, 2012
8:53 am
ObamaCare WILL die today. The entire thing is completely illegal. Once it’s dead, it WILL be buried forever. We held prayer vigils – praying for its failure. I am confident that it WILL thankfully die today. http://tinyurl.com/84lpsgo Amen, Bill
godless heathen
June 28th, 2012
8:53 am
Yeah, like people exercising their God-given right to not provide for themselves and their families and when they get sick, having other people pay for it.
Freedom is grand, isn’t it?
Like people exercising their God-given right to not accept a freely offered education, to not work to provide for themselves and their families, and when they get hungry, having other people buy food for them.
Freedom like that?
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
8:53 am
“How about “I just like the attention from getting people to guess and engage me instead of just laying out my case?”
now that’s an interesting answer, but sadly, it is not the correct answer that points out the ridiculously, humongous difference between Obamacare and Romenycare. Thanks for trying though… Oh, and it’s not just “my case”, There’s a big a factual difference between the two.
real john
June 28th, 2012
8:54 am
Jay:
Lets not forget how Obamacare was passed. How many kickbacks and back room deals were worked. Just look at how many DEMOCRATS had to be strongarmed into voting for this.
But I guess the end justify the means…right Jay?
Stonethrower
June 28th, 2012
8:54 am
Conservative court will vote it down. Is there any question about how this vote will go?
carlosgvv
June 28th, 2012
8:55 am
MiltonMan – 8:21
We have MANY children in GA suffering from malnutrition. Guess you and your compassionate conservative friends will just have to pray a little harder.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 28th, 2012
8:55 am
I expect 60 pages here by noon.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
8:56 am
“They don’t even mention the medical device tax and new investments tax from obamacare ”
yeah, TAXES make them SOOOOOOOOO different!! forget about what they cover and how they function, it’s the TAXES that are important
laugh.
effing.
riot.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 28th, 2012
8:57 am
i hope they throw the silly mandate out.
then we can remove the even silly-er age requirement on medicare.
but no matter what happens, we’re not going back.
there is no future in the past.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
8:58 am
Sorry usinuk, your view doesn’t hold any water
Read up
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/292135/ezra-klein-s-wishful-thinking-douglas-holtz-eakin
Talking Head
June 28th, 2012
8:58 am
“Where is our moral compass? Can we not agree the health insurance industry isn’t “for” us, it is “for” making money, plain and simple. I’m not saying anything is wrong with making money, but our people are dying, and some of us don’t seem to care. What happened to us?”
The explosion in the cost of health care is directly related to the creation of Medicare & Medicaid. The projected costs of these programs were astronomically understated and the Gov has been trying to recoup by cutting payments to providers and cutting benefits to beneficiaries. In turn the providers increase the charges to all, in hopes that managed care payors make up the difference, in turn the insurance companies increase the premiums to their plan holders.
Another good intention by our Gov gone wrong, because they are not God.
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 28th, 2012
8:59 am
Maybe we should just wait for the decision…….
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
8:59 am
People like Bill really scare me.
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
9:00 am
As long as I have my job, I’ll have coverage, so this decision doesn’t affect me much other than me giving even more of my money to insurance companies in the hopes they don’t drop me or my family because I didn’t spit my watermelon seeds over my right shoulder or something else crazy like that.
yep. Me too.
Jay
June 28th, 2012
9:00 am
Republicans didn’t have any input in Obamacare Jay. Thats a flat out lie on your part…
No, Joseph, the flatout lie comes from your side of the debate. Obama ran against the idea of a mandate during the Democratic primaries and campaign. However, he adopted it after the election as a means of reaching out to Republicans, who after all had originated and championed the idea (see RomneyCare.) He also dropped the idea of a public option, angering a lot of liberals, again in hopes of wooing Republican support. He met repeatedly with Sen. Charles Grassley, leading Republican member of the Senate Finance Committee, to negotiate.
Grassley had been a longtime supporter of the mandate, going as far back as 1993. As recently as June 2009, he was still supportive of the mandate, pointing out:
“But when it comes to states requiring it for automobile insurance, the principle then ought to lie the same way for health insurance. Because everybody has some health insurance costs, and if you aren’t insured, there’s no free lunch. Somebody else is paying for it….I believe that there is a bipartisan consensus to have individual mandates.”
Or as Mitt Romney put it in 2010, defending the mandate:
“[R]ight now in this country, people that don’t have health insurance go to the hospital if they get a serious illness, and they get treated for free by government. My plan says no, they can’t do that. No more free riders. People have to take personal responsibility. I consider it a conservative plan.”
Republicans wanted the mandate. Obama gave them that. The Republicans wanted to make sure that illegal immigrants would not be eligible. Obama gave them that, agreeing to require proof of citizenship before coverage. Republicans wanted to make sure that abortions could not be covered. Obama gave them that. They wanted the public option taken out. Obama gave them that. John McCain, Eric Cantor and others talked of using high-risk pools to deal with pre-existing conditions. Obama put that in the bill. They wanted the ability to sell health insurance across state lines. Obama gave them that, allowing creation of interstate health-care compacts among states.
All that and more, and still the Republicans refused, making it clear they would blackball any of their members who dared to support a bill that contained so much of their own ideas.
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
9:01 am
If states want to implement this law go for it. But the federal gubmint doing it is not within reason…
I have never understood this position.
Firstly, it indicates to me a staggering ignorance about the United States Constitution and the complimentary roles of the two levels of government. As addressed countless times via case law and SCOTUS decisions over two plus centuries.
For arguments sake, lets for a moment contend that this legislation is unjust, ineffective and immoral. It has been implemented on the people of Georgia by the federal government.
But the strange argument favored by the Uncle Sam haters is that the exact same legislation passed at the state level is fine.
This makes NO sense at all..
Doggone/GA
June 28th, 2012
9:02 am
“but evidently those things are AAAALLLLLLL preventable and they should have stopped doing whatever it was they were doing to catch those diseases”
And, as I am wont to say whenever this comes up: Jim Fixx died of a heart attack
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
9:03 am
Jm –
the National Review doesn’t agree???
wow!! next thing, you’ll be citing the Heritage Foundation!!
Lord Help Us
June 28th, 2012
9:04 am
‘The explosion in the cost of health care is directly related to the creation of Medicare & Medicaid.’
Where does this stuff come from…
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
9:05 am
and for the record, I agree that the mandate is a conservative idea, and I think it’s a good idea.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
9:05 am
LHU – 9:04 – the phrase “where the sun don’t shine” springs to mind …
Grasshopper
June 28th, 2012
9:10 am
“Now those same conservatives eagerly await while the entire U.S. health care industry is remade in true secrecy, by unchallengeable edict issued from private chambers by nine robed figures haughtily and altogether immune to public opinion.”
Such overblown hyperbole…give me a break.
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
9:10 am
Joseph just got owned for writing yet more particularly odious misinformation. (At 8:24)
He serves a very valuable, albeit unwitting, role.
That of being a punching bag for the voice of informed truth…
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
9:10 am
totally off-top and appropros of … well … nothing
if you have an hour to kill and want to watch one of the best performances ever, give this a go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd8cnPUMPF0
(or, be like me and just listen to it in the background)
Paul
June 28th, 2012
9:11 am
godless heathen
“Yeah, like people exercising their God-given right to not provide for themselves and their families and when they get sick, having other people pay for it.
Freedom is grand, isn’t it?
Like people exercising their God-given right to not accept a freely offered education, to not work to provide for themselves and their families, and when they get hungry, having other people buy food for them.
Freedom like that?”
For some people, yes. But the real issue is, those who cite the examples you did are critical of people for making those decisions. But when it comes to health care, they go hardcore over the rights of people to be irresponsible.
Care to explain why, as I don’t understand it (except maybe it has something to do with Obama?)
ty webb
Okay. How about this guess?
“I know something you don’t so I’m special”?
Cause frankly, ty, that’s how it comes across.
Why not lay it out like “Romneycare is a, b, c. Obamacare is a, x and y. The significant differences are 1 and 2″?
Jay
June 28th, 2012
9:12 am
“Such overblown hyperbole…give me a break.
What part isn’t true, Grasshopper?
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
9:13 am
Jay:
How many amendments did Republicans get in put in to Obamacare Jay. 0! Grassley only met with Obama at best twice and was insured no Republican amendments would go into his bill… End of argument.. You lie!!!
Bob Loblaw
June 28th, 2012
9:14 am
Jay is amped today! I love it. Eat ‘em up, man!
I just hope they let me keep my pre-existing coverage that this Act let me buy. 11 insurance companies turned me down. Something ain’t right about that. My doc says but for my “condition,” that I am exceptionally healthy. I need insurance. Got a wife and kids I need to stay healthy for.
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
9:14 am
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
9:13 am
Bless your heart
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
9:15 am
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
9:13 am
Bless your heart
He still thinks that’s a compliment.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
9:15 am
Pdawg – 9:14 – (chuckling)
Jay
June 28th, 2012
9:15 am
“The explosion in the cost of health care is directly related to the creation of Medicare & Medicaid.”
Interesting, then, that the cost of health care is so much lower in countries that in effect have Medicare and Medicaid for everyone.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
9:15 am
JamVet:
I easily won that argument because of a simple thing called facts. Republicans were shut out of the process. Jay knows that. he bases his simple thoughts on assumptions. Not facts… Now wipe the drool off your keyboard and go back to bed…
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
9:15 am
Paul,
asking for a rather glaring difference between the two comes across as “I know something you don’t so I’m special”?…I suspect people already know(or at least I hope they do) the huge difference between the two…hence they always use the “pretty much the same” qualifier. I just wanted to hear it from them.
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
9:16 am
I just hope they let me keep my pre-existing coverage that this Act let me buy. 11 insurance companies turned me down. Something ain’t right about that. My doc says but for my “condition,” that I am exceptionally healthy. I need insurance. Got a wife and kids I need to stay healthy for.
Conservatives think you should just go bankrupt and die instead. As long as embryos are protected instead.
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
9:18 am
I easily won that argument …
You should see a doctor about that ego. It looks abnormally swollen.
Jeffrey
June 28th, 2012
9:18 am
I think it will be upheld in its entirety and should be. I think there are two political lessons here; one, this case was brought by red states, not a person or group that are claiming infringement on their constitutional rights, and two the republicans should have debated in good faith when they had a chance, I guess this is just another one of their games of chicken, it certainly isn’t rational legislating.
TaxPayer
June 28th, 2012
9:19 am
All that and more, and still the Republicans refused, making it clear they would blackball any of their members who dared to support Obama.
a bill that contained so much of their own ideas.ty webb
June 28th, 2012
9:19 am
Paul,
and I’m not claiming to be special…the difference was taught to all of us in a grade school, or maybe not until high school(though, that’d be quiet sad), Civics class.
Grasshopper
June 28th, 2012
9:19 am
Mainly the part about the Justices ‘remaking’ healthcare Jay.
They are doing nothing of the sort. They may, or may not, uphold a law that itself remakes healthcare and tell the Congress and the President that their attempts have, or have not, passed constitutional muster.
And the ‘haughtily’ part. They are only haughty if you disagree, correct?
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
9:20 am
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
7:59 am
…bad throw, skips near the dugout, can he make it home?
************************************************************
Here’s the throw to the plate,
it’s gonna be close,
holy cow I think he’s gonna make it
STOP RIGHT THERE
Before we go any farther,
I gotta know right now,
Do you love me?
Will you love me forever?
Talking Head
June 28th, 2012
9:21 am
“Interesting, then, that the cost of health care is so much lower in countries that in effect have Medicare and Medicaid for everyone”
I guess that’s true, although those same countries aren’t the ones spurring innovations in new medical technologies or pharmaceuticals, have the best medical schools in the world, provide the best cancer treatments in the world, etc.
TaxPayer
June 28th, 2012
9:21 am
Joseph declares himself the weiner.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:22 am
Two Republicans are sitting in when they read the decision, so they can scurry out and deliver a live response. John Boehner says “no spiking of the football” if it’s overturned, in whole or in part. We shall see if these two follow his “lead.”
If they don’t, does that mean Boehner “failed to lead”?
Nah, you can only say that about Obama. Because IOKIFYAR.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:22 am
Other than that, I am waiting for the decision for comment.
Jay
June 28th, 2012
9:22 am
Actually, Talking, health care in those countries is at least comparable and in some ways superior to that in the United States.
Donovan
June 28th, 2012
9:23 am
Yeah, the decision is not even out yet and this blog today is a liberal rant against Republicans, big business and middle class suppression.
Lord knows how you all will react to Obama’s defeat in November.
The Supremes will more than likely tell America that the Democrats cannot ram legislation down the throats of the people by unconstitutional means and cannot force its people to swallow their agenda.
It was wrong from the beginning and it will once again show how Democrats operate when they enjoy the majority of rule.
Slap down is painful and truly embarrassing.
TaxPayer
June 28th, 2012
9:23 am
I guess that’s true, although those same countries aren’t the ones spurring innovations in new medical technologies or pharmaceuticals, have the best medical schools in the world, provide the best cancer treatments in the world, etc.
I don’t see that it matters much if you live in a country that has a cure for cancer if the ones in need cannot afford it.
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
9:24 am
although those same countries aren’t the ones spurring innovations in new medical technologies or pharmaceuticals
South Korea is way ahead of us on stem-cell research.
And since when is it OUR job to overpay for medical care so that we can spur innovation to be offered cheaper to the rest of the world? Where are your priorities, man?
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:24 am
Lord knows how you all will react to Obama’s defeat in November.
Saved for the “I Told You So” thread in November.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
9:24 am
“I easily won that argument because of a simple thing called facts. ”
considering the Dems pulled everything that the GOP found objectionable, they didn’t NEED to make amendments
then, there are the GOP ideas that were included in the bill
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/02/five_compronises_in_health_car.html
“But one good way is to look at the GOP’s “Solutions for America” homepage, which lays out its health-care plan in some detail. It has four planks. All of them — yes, you read that right — are in the Senate health-care bill.”
(since I know you can’t be asked to actually READ anything that refutes you)
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
9:25 am
I easily won that argument because of a simple thing called facts. Republicans were shut out of the process.
BWAHAHAHAHA!
What a rube.
You just got knocked out in the first round and the crowd goes crazy!
DOWN GOES FRAZIER!!
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:25 am
Slap down is painful and truly embarrassing.
Oh, I am ESPECIALLY saving THIS part
Rickster
June 28th, 2012
9:26 am
I wonder if Jay will have the same opinion of those “nine robed figures haughtily and altogether immune to public opinion” if they should uphold ObamaCare. Chances are, he’ll think they’re the greatest legal minds in the history of the world.
Should the Supreme Court be the “death panel” for ObamaCare? Yes, they should.
Will the Supreme Court be the “death panel” for ObamaCare? I sure hope so.
Williebkind
June 28th, 2012
9:26 am
“As ObamaCare was being passed, conservatives complained that the entire U.S. health care industry was being remade in secret with the results being “crammed down their throats” by a majority allegedly uninterested in negotiation. Little to none of that was true”
Jay can you qualify that with truth?
TaxPayer
June 28th, 2012
9:26 am
Medicare costs soar, 30 million are thrown out with the bath water, insurance companies are once again free to rake in obscene profits and deny coverage and Republicans shout from the rooftops, “We WON!”
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 28th, 2012
9:26 am
Slap down is painful and truly embarrassing
Not for me. Is it for you? Or is that what you want to see in the liberals today?
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
9:26 am
Talking – “although those same countries aren’t the ones spurring innovations in new medical technologies or pharmaceuticals, have the best medical schools in the world, provide the best cancer treatments in the world, etc.”
speaking as someone who lives in one of those countries, all I can say is BOLLOCKS.
the UK spends less per person, has a better infant mortality, has a better life expectancy AND better cancer survival rates.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
9:27 am
Lord knows how you all will react to Obama’s defeat in November
*****************************************************
One more time. Look at the electoral map…..
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/ecalculator#?battleground
carlosgvv
June 28th, 2012
9:27 am
Stands – 8:36
Since it’s the Republicans who have made it 100% clear they will not, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, raise taxes on the rich, then, yes, I did mean to single them out. However, I’m well aware the Democrats are no angels in this. They are just the lesser of the evils.
John Birch
June 28th, 2012
9:27 am
Patient protection okay, but affordable care??? What a horrendous joke and misnomer that is. The reality is that the vast progress that has been made in medicine has made it unaffordable. As a nation we don’t produce enough to provide a nice house, fine car, and world class health care to every citizen and illegal alien.
A dad
June 28th, 2012
9:28 am
I look beyond Obamacare to the possible extension of its mandate to other areas. If the federal gov’t can require citizens to purchase healthcare or be fied, heading down that slippery slope, where could it raise its head next?
A more logical (but much tougher) solution would be to revise the M twins (Medicaid and Medicare). I have a good friend who works as a pharmacist at a large box store, and she sees people come in for scripts using Medicaid, with their iPhones, getting their elaborate nails done twice a week, driving luxury cars (the store has a drive-thru), smoking cigarattes, and even trading their EBT cards for cash. Obviously, someone who fits the above definition (and yes, they represent about 25-30% of the patients at this store’s phrmacy) AND gets gov’t assistance, well, lets just say the sysyem obviously needs a tweaking and there seems to be a considerable potential for savings, savings which could be used towards establishing a more efficient healthcaresystem, but alas, I expect to be vilified by claims of racism, 1%, etc.
But to begin trying to come up with a solution to the problem (a rare thing on Bookie’s blog to be sure) rather than simply name calling, let’s begin with the understanding that the healthcare industry, like another other business, is IN business to make a profit. The problem nowadays here int he U.S. is profit is seen as as “today/right now” thing rather than a long-term view. Make 25% profit, get my 50m bonus, etc., rather than, say, a solid 8-10% return over 10, 15, 20 years or more.
Back to my usual position, i.e., we are hosed regardless of who wins in November, the only question being is who you want to do the hosing. Want to take back our gov’t? Simple answer. vote EVERY incumbent out come November regardless of political party. The remaining 50% just might get the messageand if they don’t, get rid of them the next time around as well. Since or politicians no longer serve the electorate, but instead bow to the respective special interest masters and the extremist “base” of their party, anyone have any other idea to get DC’s attention?
Will check back in about 4-5 hours.
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
9:29 am
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:22 am
Yet you comment at 9:22, 9:24, and 9:25
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:29 am
Chances are, he’ll think they’re the greatest legal minds in the history of the world.
They would be if they upheld it, because it is constitutional and even the founding fathers, who passed three mandates into law during the tenures of the first three presidents OF THIS COUNTRY, did not have any objections on Constitutional grounds to said mandates.
So nice try. Regardless of the court’s decision, the thing IS Constitutional, whether te activist ones win the battle or not.
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
9:29 am
so Jamvet is now the “Mills Lane” of the blog?
carlosgvv
June 28th, 2012
9:29 am
UsinUK
In you opinion, is the British politicial system in any danger of being bought and paid for by Big Business as American politics has been?
zeke
June 28th, 2012
9:29 am
The only duties of the Supremes are to make sure that Congress and the President adhere to the Constitution and do not put in place any agenda that violates it! They are not to make law, just rule whether any law is Constitutional or NOT! Rowe was a misstep as they made law, a duty given only to Congress! In this case, their duty is to kick this left wing unconstitutional power grab to the curb! Forcing businesses to provide insurance for employees! Forcing insurance companies to lose money covering everyone regardless of circumstances! Forcing every citizen to buy insurance or pay a tax! Hopefully in November we will change the direction of the country back to what it is Constitutionally supposed to be! All unelected czars will be fired! No more socialist agenda laws! Removal of ALL ILLEGAL INVADERS INCLUDING THEIR BRATS BORN HERE! Review of and an honest interpretation of the Constitution and all Amendments! And the firing of OBOZO the socialist inept moron, and, the removal of every democrat up for election! Just look at the scum! Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Shumer, Boxer, Feinstein, Clyburn and many more! Left wing socialist all and must be fired!
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
9:32 am
Yeah, like people exercising their God-given right to not provide for themselves and their families and when they get sick, having other people pay for it.
Out of curiosity, Paul, what do you expect to change under the ACA?? Maybe you’re one of those rubes who fell for the specious “free rider” argument.
If people hated the mandate because they didn’t want gov’t telling them what to do, I can only imagine what their reaction would be to the ’solutions’ for those two items.
And while you’re at it, Paul, maybe you can expand your imagination a little and realize that every solution in life doesn’t have to be a top-down gov’t solution. Ultimately, people have to be responsible for their own health. There are many ways to encourage/achieve that without govt. programs.
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
9:32 am
ty, it was the inimitable Howard Cosell who made that famous call…
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:32 am
Peadawg: Actually I meant comment on the decision. But yes, I broke my own statement in my 9:29a response to Rickster. You called me out too soon, as the comments I made at two of the timestamps you mentioned were about other things, and my comment BEFORE I said I wouldn’t comment doesn’t count in your callout.
But, you know, keep score if you like. I’ll just take it as “OMG SHUT UP, YOU’RE ANNNOYINNNNNG MEEEEE” whine.
Paul
June 28th, 2012
9:32 am
ty webb
Now I understand your point. Thanks.
It was a bit confusing, as you said later you support the mandate, yet your initial question, if I recall correctly, was to Normal, who also is, I believe, more supportive than not.
Williebkind
June 28th, 2012
9:33 am
Jay how many pages was ObamaCare, what was in it. It took you a year to learn about it. Just like Pelosi said,”We must pass it before we know what is in it.” That alone is reason enough not to pass it.
Aquagirl
June 28th, 2012
9:33 am
I have a good friend who works as a pharmacist
What is with the fright-wingers and their “friends” assailed by welfare cheats all day? Yeah right, buddy.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
9:34 am
Usinuk
Douglas Holtz-eakin has lots of cred
You, not so much
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
9:34 am
Adam, you’re so fun to mess with. I can always count on getting a reaction.
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
9:35 am
Paul,
sorry, I should clarify, I somewhat support the idea of a mandate…but definitely not the one in “Obamacare”.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
9:35 am
“In you opinion, is the British politicial system in any danger of being bought and paid for by Big Business as American politics has been?”
it’s sooooooooo different here – general elections aren’t scheduled – they just have to be held within a specific period of time – 5 years – of the last election (in other words, if Cameron wanted to, he could call for a general election tomorrow). Then, the PM has to ask the Queen to dissolve Parliament – after that, he has 17 working days until the election.
SO, all that to say, you don’t have to pay skadzillions of dollars to buy air time and run for office – it’s a lot faster – and a lot more local (since it’s a smaller country)
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
9:35 am
JamVet:
Again show me an amendment that the GOP was able to include. There is none which proves Jay was a lie. He stated in his ridiculous tripe that Obamacare was “crammed down their throats” by a majority allegedly uninterested in negotiation. Little to none of that was true. It was true and there no one he could prove otherwise. Remember when Obama stated that Republicans can come along for the ride but have to ride in the back of the bus. That’s what he meant. The people don’t want this monstrosity and the GOP don’t want this monstrosity. Republicans had absolutely no input in Obamacare. The blood his on his hands…
Talking Head
June 28th, 2012
9:36 am
“Actually, Talking, health care in those countries is at least comparable and in some ways superior to that in the United States.”
Oh like the WHO (obviously not the band) which takes into consideration murder/homicide rates into account for stats like infant mortalitly?
Look, CMS represents roughly 50-55% of all healthcare spending in this country while private insurance rep 35%. We do have the highest spending in the world, hell CMS by itself pays more on a per GDP basis than any other country. CMS was poorly designed and needs a make over, to deny that it isn’t a significant driver of our healthcare costs is lunacy.
Paul
June 28th, 2012
9:36 am
talking head
“I guess that’s true, although those same countries aren’t the ones spurring innovations in new medical technologies or pharmaceuticals, have the best medical schools in the world, provide the best cancer treatments in the world, etc.”
Putting aside the accuracy of that (which Jay and others addressed) and just focusing on things like innovation, new technology, medical school quality, etc.
How and why would any of that change if we paid premiums not to 1500 or so insurance companies with different rules on reimbursements, patient care, etc. and instead paid premiums to one entity with lower overhead costs?
Cynthia Tucker needs someone to rub her feet
June 28th, 2012
9:37 am
Jay, your next job is calling……
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
9:37 am
“Douglas Holtz-eakin has lots of cred – You, not so much”
let’s see … I offer neutral publications to support my posts … you post partisan ones.
and you think *I* lack credibility???
laugh.
effing.
riot.
you’re on a biscuit today.
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
9:37 am
I find it very interesting how Willie wants others information to be corroborated, verified and qualified.
Yet I have NEVER ONCE seen him do that very thing.
NOT ONE TIME.
EVER.
Though he has been challenged many times to do so.
Do as I say, not as I do – the modus operandi of most of our right wing bloggers here…
eddy
June 28th, 2012
9:37 am
……but if the Supremes rule in favor of Obamacare, Jay will be back touting how insightful, intelligent, and a miraculous step for universal healthcare for anyone and everyone.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:37 am
Peadawg: Adam, you’re so fun to mess with. I can always count on getting a reaction.
That kind of “oh I meant to do that so I could get you to respond” reverse psychology maneuver isn’t going to get me to shut up either, but again, nice try.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
9:37 am
I have a good friend who works as a pharmacist at a large box store, and she sees people come in for scripts using Medicaid, with their iPhones, getting their elaborate nails done twice a week, driving luxury cars (the store has a drive-thru), smoking cigarattes, and even trading their EBT cards for cash.
My girlfriend’s hairdresser’s husband has an uncle that used to work with a guy that knew someone who was standing in line at the Whole Foods behind this huge __________ lady and she had 14 grocery carts filled with lobsters, cigarettes, beer, T-Bone steaks, prom dresses and she was paying for all of it with food stamps.
Paul
June 28th, 2012
9:38 am
Williebekind
““As ObamaCare was being passed, conservatives complained that the entire U.S. health care industry was being remade in secret with the results being “crammed down their throats” by a majority allegedly uninterested in negotiation. Little to none of that was true”
Jay can you qualify that with truth?”
If you come in on page four of a thread, you may want to read the first three pages to see if your question’s been asked and answered.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
9:39 am
Maybe democrats can come along for the ride. They just have to ride in the back of the bus…
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
9:39 am
Freedom isn’t free. While you consider yourself free not having to pay for others, there are those like me who take up your slack. Unlike you, I can’t go without insurance coverage since I have a wife and child that I prefer to have covered.
Brosephus–I feel for you, but unfortunately under the ACA, costs will be going up, not down. I’m sure you’re smart enough to understand that.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:39 am
Talking Head: Look, CMS represents roughly 50-55% of all healthcare spending in this country while private insurance rep 35%. We do have the highest spending in the world, hell CMS by itself pays more on a per GDP basis than any other country. CMS was poorly designed and needs a make over, to deny that it isn’t a significant driver of our healthcare costs is lunacy.
You remind me of a guy who took his computer in to be worked on and starting talking about USB ports and hard drives without a clue what they actually were. I can’t even replicate the conversation, but it sounded a bit like what you just said… something along the lines of “my hard drive is fried” when he meant the whole computer box as though that was the “hard drive.”
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
9:40 am
Again show me an amendment that the GOP was able to include.
Again???
Is this part two of your pas de une?
LOL at you.
You get caught lying and then change the lie.
Too funny…
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
9:40 am
I hope the court upholds all of it. It would be great fro Republicans to run on repeal because poll after poll shows the public hates it…
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
9:40 am
“isn’t going to get me to shut up either”
I’m counting on that.
Speak boy. Speak.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
9:40 am
JamVet/Jay:
I’m waiting….
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:40 am
Bruno: I feel for you, but unfortunately under the ACA, costs will be going up, not down. I’m sure you’re smart enough to understand that.
This argument is similar to the “Clinton never had a surplus because the deficit was still going up” arguments.
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
9:41 am
Bruno
Cost: You are probably correct, but that would be different from the last 30 yrs in terms of cost, exactly how?
Paul
June 28th, 2012
9:41 am
carlosgvv
“Since it’s the Republicans who have made it 100% clear they will not, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, raise taxes on the rich, ”
Just as Republicans shifted on Obamacare from “repeal it!” to “we’ll replace it, ummm… we’ll keep lots of it” they’ve shifted on tax increases, too.
Except now the phrase is “we’ll eliminate deductions…. bring more people in…. bring in more revenue….”
In other words, somebodies at that upper level are gonna see their taxes increase.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:41 am
Peadawg: I’m counting on that.
And I’m counting on you to continue to pretend you’re not frustrated that your actual tactic isn’t working.
Don't Forget
June 28th, 2012
9:42 am
The vast majority go toward treating conditions which are preventable.
Preventable? No, you can reduce the risk but there’s still risk. You can lead a very healthy lifestyle and still get hypertension, coronary artery disease, high cholesterol, cancer, peripheral arterial disease, glaucoma, etc. And there are plenty of serious diseases that have no association with lifestyle whatsoever.
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
9:42 am
Good boy. Here’s a treat.
USMC
June 28th, 2012
9:42 am
“…Little to none of that was true…”–JAY “Pinocchio” BOOKMAN :—-)
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:42 am
Paul: In other words, somebodies at that upper level are gonna see their taxes increase.
Not necessarily. They do seem to think they can get revenue by taxing the poor more.
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
9:43 am
watching all segments of the media run to their respective corners will be even more exciting than the actual ruling…Grab a beer, this is going to be a site to see.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 28th, 2012
9:43 am
even though mrsstsimons read it in a weekend,
the next health care law needs to be shorter
for the whiners complaining its too long for their little attention spans
“The age requirement for Medicare is hereby removed”
that’s short enough, even for these cons
Aquagirl
June 28th, 2012
9:43 am
My girlfriend’s hairdresser’s husband has an uncle that used to work with a guy that knew someone
And have you ever noticed these OUTRAGED witnesses never remove themselves from the situation? Ms. Big-Box Pharmacist lets those coiffed and manicured women roll by in their Escalades all day long, PAYING HER SALARY.
You’d think outraged pharmacist would find a job where she wasn’t so outraged and forced to witness people selling food stamps apparently right in front of her. But no, they apparently return to work, collecting even more salacious details for our right-wingers to post as hearsay. How very convenient.
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
9:44 am
Joseph – “It would be great fro Republicans to run on repeal because poll after poll shows the public hates it…”
They hate speed limits too, when will we see the repeal of those?
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 28th, 2012
9:44 am
general elections aren’t scheduled – they just have to be held within a specific period of time – 5 years
that’s crazy. If ACA is upheld I could see Obama asking for the election 17 days from now. You wait till you do something great and call an election. Like right after he got OBL.
W woulda called an election right after he landed on that air craft carrier…and then retracted it after everyone laughed at him about it.
Erwin's cat
June 28th, 2012
9:45 am
Jay – “However, he adopted it after the election as a means of reaching out to Republicans”
It really doesn’t matter who was for what and when if it is struck down as unconstitutional
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:45 am
Peadawg: Normally you have some good points to make. But you, personally, are now on ignore while I speak on the topics I am interested in.
joe
June 28th, 2012
9:45 am
“He is amazed that a country this rich has such a convoluted health care system”
Have you experienced the healthcare in Canada? You’ve gotta wait months to see a doctor. Bottom line is with our 15-16 trillion in debt, we simply cannot afford healthcare coverage for everyone, including illegals. We have to get our own house in order by cutting spending and cutting payments to all foreign governments until our debt is paid. At that point, we can then refocus to modifying medicare to include coverage for those without private insurance. It must be done this way, we cannot pile on another 5 trillion more in debt by paying for healthcare for all uninsured.
godless heathen
June 28th, 2012
9:45 am
What is with the fright-wingers and their “friends” assailed by welfare cheats all day? Yeah right, buddy.
What’s with the lefty-pinkos that feel they have to question the honesty of posters when they have absolutely no basis on which to do so? They believe in their heart of hearts that the downtrodden poor can’t possibly be gaming the system so they refuse to accept any account that threatens that belief.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 28th, 2012
9:46 am
My girlfriend’s hairdresser’s husband has an uncle that used to work with a guy that knew someone
my friend’s, friend’s, friend’s, uncle’s, friend’s, sister’s, nephew’s friends made some crap up to make a point and I’m just passing it along.
Curious
June 28th, 2012
9:46 am
Anybody posting here that doesn’t have insurance or can’t get it because of a pre-existing condition?
I’m fortunate with Tricare and Medicare.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:46 am
St Simons: It’s also short enough to be shot down in lockstep opposition. In fact,t he more sense it makes I am thinking the less likely it is they will support it.
But it’s not 2700 pages, as though that was ever really the reason they didn’t like the ACA.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
9:47 am
Finneus – 9:44 – you got it – that’s how these things work!
the REAL problem is what we had a couple of years ago – Brown took office as PM WITHOUT an election simply because Tony Blair stepped down.
talk about a pissed-off electorate!
Paul
June 28th, 2012
9:47 am
Bruno
“Out of curiosity, Paul, what do you expect to change under the ACA?? ”
That’s a serous question? When the point was people without insurance by and large are supported by people with insurance?
“If people hated the mandate because they didn’t want gov’t telling them what to do, I can only imagine what their reaction would be to the ’solutions’ for those two items.
And while you’re at it, Paul, maybe you can expand your imagination a little and realize that every solution in life doesn’t have to be a top-down gov’t solution. Ultimately, people have to be responsible for their own health. There are many ways to encourage/achieve that without govt. programs.”
Please don’t revert to past practices by opining in grand generalities about something you’ve said and shifting solutions onto the person who asked what you mean. If you’re going to say “the root causes of the problems in our health care system: (1) Too many unhealthy people (2) An over-reliance on drug and surgery-based solutions ” and that’s why ACA doesn’t address the problem, then at least go clearly on record with your proposals to address the root causes.
Then we can see if people who don’t like government telling them what to do with the mandate will embrace those proposals.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:47 am
Finn: If ACA is upheld I could see Obama asking for the election 17 days from now.
I can’t. That’s kind of not something that is possible.
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
9:47 am
Aw, Adam’s giving me the silent treatment after I called him out. Too cut.
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 28th, 2012
9:47 am
“I hope the court upholds all of it. It would be great fro Republicans to run on repeal because poll after poll shows the public hates it…”
I suspect that most of America doesn’t really understand the Health Care Act, I will be honest I have never really studied it. The public most likely hates it because they feel like something is being forced upon them, it’s a natural reaction. It would be like going to a restaurant and being told you’re getting steak and getting mad because you couldn’t get Fish or Chicken but in your anger you forgot you love Steak.
Somewhere in my mind that all makes sense, I think I am going back to bed. LOL
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
9:48 am
cute*
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:49 am
Erwin’s Cat: It really doesn’t matter who was for what and when if it is struck down as unconstitutional
Of course it matters. You think the Republicans won’t jump on the chance to “we finally have PROOF the President wipes his ass with the Constitution! It’s not just our bullsh*t anymore!”
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 28th, 2012
9:49 am
One thing we’ve learned over the last 3.5 years is that Republicans really don’t like to have to read anything over a couple of hundred pages. Under 50 is perfect.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 28th, 2012
9:49 am
The thing that is really significant about this decision – as with the Wisconsin vote a couple of weeks ago – is the encouragement that one side in the ideological battle will take from a victory, and the corresponding dejection if its a loss for the pro-ACA side (if the right loses, there is no dejection of course, just redoubling of efforts and determination). Just as the Wisconsin recall victory for the union-busting right was an enormous boost for the right, the same will be true here.
Here is an interesting testament to the way that one ’side’ is looking at the decision:
http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/27/win-or-lose-my-thanks/
Win or Lose, My Thanks
On the eve of the historic Supreme Court decision on the constitutionality of the individual insurance mandate, I don’t know what the outcome will be any more than anyone else. I have never made a prediction and won’t start now. From the beginning, I always insisted that the challenge was serious, but also an uphill climb. I never dismissed the case for the constitutionality of the ACA as frivolous. I usually ended my set speeches by saying that the smart money is always on the Supreme Court upholding an act of Congress. Intrade notwithstanding (71.5% this morning), I suppose I still think that’s right.
I said before the oral argument that, if I knew the outcome of the case when the argument was over (as I thought I did in Raich), it would mean we lost. If we had won, I would not know it. At the end of the ACA argument, I was in the latter position. As when I was a trial lawyer, I felt very good about the way our case went in, but you never can be sure what a jury will do. I will never forget the feeling in the pit of my stomach every time a jury filed into the box to announce its verdict. I will have that same feeling at 10am tomorrow morning. Big time.
Tomorrow, the “highest court in the land” returns its verdict. Today, I want to say thanks to my cobloggers for the significant contributions they have made to this historic challenge. (I think it is OK to use “historic” twice in this post.) Ilya Somin, Jonathan Adler, and Dave Kopel made vital contributions to the substance of the arguments and, with David Bernstein, responded skillfully to the manifold criticisms that were launched against our challenge. Win or lose, this blog was instrumental in developing the arguments that earned us 6 hours of oral argument spread over 3 days. Those who credit the Volokh Conspiracy with responsibility for the viability of this challenge are right to do so, but it is nothing nefarious. Just free speech. So thanks Eugene for creating this forum and inviting me in.
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
9:50 am
godless heathen – “the downtrodden poor can’t possibly be gaming the system so they refuse to accept any account that threatens that belief.”
No one doubts that there are “cheats”. Everyone has been stuck behind someone trying to game the system at one time or another. The disbelief comes from the overly exaggerated examples provided here which are nothing more than glorified re-tellings of the Reagan era “welfare queeens” and their Cadillacs.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 28th, 2012
9:50 am
LOL, Adam, that went right over your head, didn’t it?
Jay
June 28th, 2012
9:50 am
One thing we’ve learned over the last 3.5 years is that Republicans really don’t like to have to read anything over a couple of hundred pages. Under 50 is perfect.
Herman Cain, if I recall correctly, maxed out at three.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:50 am
joe: It must be done this way, we cannot pile on another 5 trillion more in debt by paying for healthcare for all uninsured.
Actually we can. We just pretend that our resources don’t allow for this because of how we worship the dollar. In reality, the dollar only has the value we as a collective society allow it to have.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
June 28th, 2012
9:51 am
Well, if the SC strikes down Obamacare they will be doing God’s work. Obamacare goes against nature. If God had of wanted you to have health insurance you would of been born with a little policy in your hands. I think us people that have health insurance ought to allow the people that don’t have it to Die with Dignity. God never intended for our paychecks to be raided to pay for the health care of the poor. It’s a jungle out there and the Devil take the hindmost. It’s part of the curse God put on Adam and Eve. I’m just awful glad that me and mine ain’t the hindmost.
So I’ll be praying for the souls of all those people that won’t have health insurance. All I can say to them is, Better thee than me. So I’m waiting for the SC to put all those folks out of their misery. It’s the court’s Christian duty. Like that sign that the woman’s holding in the picture in front of the SC building says, Obamacare is Evil.
Have a good Thursday everybody.
Gale
June 28th, 2012
9:51 am
Doggone, delayed comment to your 9:02 (I think). I always think about Fixx as well when the conversation of healthy lifestyle comes up. Sometimes bad things happen to the best of us. The majority, however, would do well to have habits half as healthy as he did.
Skip
June 28th, 2012
9:52 am
I’ll take the same plan Congress has.
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
9:52 am
“Herman Cain, if I recall correctly, maxed out at three.”
Herman Cain got his tax plan from a video game. He doesn’t count.
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 28th, 2012
9:52 am
Herman Cain only likes to read stuff he can start and finish while in the bathroom…one sitting, please.
“Could you turn on the fan?”
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
9:52 am
Jay – 9:50 –
“I suspect that most of America doesn’t really understand the Health Care Act, I will be honest I have never really studied it”
the sad thing is that survey after survey shows that people overwhelmingly support the provisions of the act (coverage for children, no denial of coverage, etc) – but, because of all the fearmongering about things it DOESN’T do (helloooooo death panels), people don’t support it.
Paul
June 28th, 2012
9:53 am
Adam 9:42
Republicans want to tax the poor? Well, there is that…..
Hey Kamchak, welcome back.
Got to use Kamchak’s Observation “if we’re going to make sh*t up, there’s no sense in being h@lf-@ssed about it” twice yesterday.
It wasn’t nearly enough.
Erwin's cat
June 28th, 2012
9:53 am
Adam – “Of course it matters. You think the Republicans won’t jump on the chance to “we finally have PROOF the President wipes his ass with the Constitution! It’s not just our bullsh*t anymore!”
rhetorical comments don’t matter
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:53 am
Butch: No one doubts that there are “cheats”. Everyone has been stuck behind someone trying to game the system at one time or another. The disbelief comes from the overly exaggerated examples provided here which are nothing more than glorified re-tellings of the Reagan era “welfare queeens” and their Cadillacs.
In addition, studies have actually been done to show that the cheats are in a small minority, mostly get caught and forced to repay with penalties, and it is also true that a very VERY small amount of money is lost to this.
2011 percentage of budget for SNAP – 2-2.56%. Interest on the debt? 6%. Medicaid and CHIP? 7%. Medicare? 14%. “Defense”? 21%
Now, tell me where we should cut if we want the most bang for our buck. And tell me where we should not INCREASE expenditures to “catch” people.
USMC
June 28th, 2012
9:53 am
“Will the Supremes be ObamaCare’s real ‘death panel’?”–Jay Bookman
More of Jay’s DRAMA… roll the fainting couch in for Comrade Bookman…
Well everyone knows that Chairman “Mao” Obama has THREE speeches ready for the Big SPIN.
He will spin the news as he continues to DIVIDE the country for his own political gain.
Stay tuned… this should be quite an entertaining day to listen to Obama, the buffoon spin his lies and the useful idiots clapping and cheering the whole way.
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
9:54 am
Gale – “I always think about Fixx as well when the conversation of healthy lifestyle comes up.”
Wasn’t there a story a few days ago in the AJC about a Cobb County Schools Athletic Director who died while jogging? I hguess to the party faithful he wasn’t really taking good care of himself and should have tried harder.
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
9:55 am
I kinda miss Herman.
Granted, there is still the disgraceful, ethically challenged Alan West to laugh at, but it just isn’t the same…
Adam
June 28th, 2012
9:55 am
USMC: He will spin the news as he continues to DIVIDE the country for his own political gain.
And the Republicans would never do such a thing. After all, their whole message and legislative agenda has been all about UNITING people… oh wait….
Hey USMC, by the way, by criticizing Jay your’e being DIVISIVE.
Aquagirl
June 28th, 2012
9:57 am
What’s with the lefty-pinkos that feel they have to question the honesty of posters when they have absolutely no basis on which to do so?
Second-hand judgement of people on the basis of their manicure is sooooooo much more accurate, right?
I call B.S. As I pointed out, those people pay your mythical whining friend’s salary. If she was that outraged, she’d find another job. It’s not like she has a degree in Medieval Lit.
Any medical professional b!tching about her customers to acquaintances is a bigger dirtbag than the customers cruising her drive-thru with their rimz.
mm
June 28th, 2012
9:58 am
I predict 6 – 3 upholding ACA.
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
9:58 am
Speaking of Government forcing their will upon the people. What’s up with the “Click it or Ticket” campaigns? Why aren’t our Republican friends out en masse demanding personal freedom and their God given right to ride around in their SUVs unshackeled by both seat belt and Government interference?
USMC
June 28th, 2012
9:58 am
The CONSTITUTIONAL Lawyer, Obama: Unprecedented Scotus remarks… This is too funny
OBAMA SLAMS ‘ACTIVIST’ SUPREME COURT, CALLS THEM ‘AN UNELECTED GROUP OF PEOPLE’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWZ9JVvUG0g
Jay
June 28th, 2012
9:59 am
FYI, I’ll have a new post up as soon as we get the first inklings of the decision, then update as soon and often as possible from there as I go through the opinion.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:00 am
USMC: Actually when the President made those comments he was saying “this is what conservatives usually say”. It’s like that ad where he says “If we keep talking about the economy we are going to lose.” (SPOILER ALERT! He was quoting the McCain campaign!)
Gale
June 28th, 2012
10:01 am
Butch, I cannot comment on the athletic director’s lifestyle. But how often do we hear of young athletes dropping dead of unidentified health problems. Sometimes healthy behavior does not save you. Most often healthy behavior will provide a long and healthy life.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
10:01 am
USMC – 9:58 – hate to burst your bubble, but Scalia’s comments WERE unprecedented (addressing the news rather than the constitutional issue at hand)
godless heathen
June 28th, 2012
10:01 am
The disbelief comes from the overly exaggerated examples provided here which are nothing more than glorified re-tellings of the Reagan era “welfare queeens” and their Cadillacs.
So you join AG in calling A Dad a liar?
Paul
June 28th, 2012
10:02 am
USMC
“Stay tuned… this should be quite an entertaining day to listen to Obama, the buffoon spin his lies and the useful idiots clapping and cheering the whole way.”
Says the guy who lives on government health care largely paid for by others.
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 28th, 2012
10:03 am
Jay – “FYI, I’ll have a new post up as soon as we get the first inklings of the decision, then update as soon and often as possible from there as I go through the opinion.”
This is like waiting for the smoke when they pick a new Pope. LOL
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:03 am
Ninth circuit affirmed in Alvarez (Stolen Valor Act is unconstitutional).
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
10:04 am
Steve – 10:03 – hahaha … reminds me of the footage of the reporter wiping out as he RAN to the camera after picking up the 2000 Bush/Gore decision
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
10:05 am
according to my watch, it’s 10:04 there …
WHERE IS IT!!!
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
10:05 am
For those who don’t know about the live SC blog: http://www.scotusblog.com/cover-it-live/
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 28th, 2012
10:05 am
Paul
June 28th, 2012
9:32 am
First off, I have to keep coming in and out of this blog…Work sure does screw up blog time…
But what you and Ty were discussing, I need to clarify. I truly believe that health care for ALL is a right. I believe this because it is the spiritual thing to do. There is a humanity thing involved with me that I can’t explain, but I feel…deeply. I get very emotional about a lot of things that go against my personal belief as “how things should be”.
Even in my darkest hours, living through the worst man can do to man, I never doubted that man was endowed with a spiritual connection that would eventually make things right. Call it Obamacare, Romneycare or Normalcare, it is a necessary thing. My sense of fair play and spirituality screams that. We, this country, needs a Universal healthcare. We have to take care of our own and I believe that the Federal Government should be the prime mover, with the individual States being the implementers.
Paul
June 28th, 2012
10:05 am
Jay
You may find this site helpful this morning. I know, it’s easy to get overloaded,
http://www.scotusblog.com/cover-it-live/
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
10:05 am
Gale -”Sometimes healthy behavior does not save you. Most often healthy behavior will provide a long and healthy life.”
Agreed. However, from the posts I’ve read here over the years from the Right Wingers seems to indicate that if you have a heart attack it’s your fault. If you have cancer it’s your fault, if you have liver disease it’s your fault, if you have kidney failure it’s your fault. They can’t be burdned by the miscreants who go to the hospital to treat these conditions, because apparently they are all too busy working out at Golds Gym and eating right which allows them the piety to declare all others lazy moochers that need to do better.
Jay
June 28th, 2012
10:05 am
ETA is 10:15, USinUK
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
10:05 am
This is obviously not a court of law, but personally, I put very little value on heresay.
Though Sinkwich’s unwittingly hysterical commentary about the qas station attendant will live for along time on this forum!
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:06 am
USinUK: 10:15 est for HC decision
Uncle Billy
June 28th, 2012
10:06 am
I am on Medicare and loving it. I went to my physician yesterday for the fourth time in seven years.
josef
June 28th, 2012
10:07 am
This whole megillah is funny in a bizarre sort of way. The best comment I’ve heard yet was the Jon Stewart take last p.m. All that’s missing now is that little countdown clock in the corner of the screen til game time…
I’ve said it before and will keep saying it. Nationalize the health care system and the ones who made the mess to begin with can get in line with that lady at Whole Foods.
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
10:07 am
supremecourt.gov just had a seizure.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:07 am
Why do all the news organization say we are waiting on SCOTUS to make a ruling on ACA? The ruling was made 2 months ago. We are awaiting the results of that ruling.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:07 am
Jay: ETA is 10:15, USinUK
Damn, beat me to it lol
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
10:07 am
screw this case…I’m still wondering if that fifth dentist will finally recommend Trident.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:07 am
OMG OMG READING IT NOW
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
10:08 am
Thanks Jay …
(which reminds me of a funny I saw the other day … “why is patience a virtue … why isn’t ‘hurry the eff up’ a virtue, instead”)
Don't Tread
June 28th, 2012
10:08 am
0bama wishes he could rule on “unchallengeable edict”…
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
10:08 am
mandate’s gone
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
10:08 am
mandate dead
Paul
June 28th, 2012
10:08 am
Normal
That explanation transcends all the pettiness and selfishness so many invoke..
Thank you.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:08 am
So I go over to CNN and see the headline………..
The Supreme Court throws out law
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making it a crime to lie about receiving military honors
Jay
June 28th, 2012
10:08 am
Opinion is now in …
Don't Forget
June 28th, 2012
10:09 am
I heard a story years ago of a lady who had 3 grocery carts filled and paid with food stamps who was driving a cadilac. Of course she was a volunteer who was shopping for shut ins though. Don’t know if it’s a true story but there an old saying that you shouldn’t judge a book by its cover.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:09 am
YEAAAAAHHHHHHH! Individual mandate CONSTITUIONAL!!!!
BOOOOOOOOOOM!
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:09 am
IM Struck down
Jay
June 28th, 2012
10:09 am
Scotusblog says mandate survives; CNN says it doesn’t
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:10 am
Survives as a tax, is what I just saw.
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
10:10 am
Yahoo says it survives as a tax.
USMC
June 28th, 2012
10:10 am
Individual MANDATE—-UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:10 am
SCOTUS blog: “So the mandate is constitutional. Chief Justice Roberts joins the left of the Court.”
Don't Forget
June 28th, 2012
10:11 am
Instant replay?
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
June 28th, 2012
10:11 am
Upheld the mandate to obtain Health Insurance, I think
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
10:11 am
very confusing.
JOE COOL
June 28th, 2012
10:12 am
-So the mandate is constitutional. Chief Justice Roberts joins the left of the Court-
http://news.yahoo.com/the-supreme-court-s-obamacare-decision–live-coverage-from-scotusblog.html
Don't Forget
June 28th, 2012
10:12 am
Constitutional under taxing authority not commerce clause. Interesting.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:12 am
The Medicaid provision is limited but not invalidated.
What does this mean?
JOE COOL
June 28th, 2012
10:12 am
USMC
June 28th, 2012
10:10 am
WRONG! ^^^^
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
10:12 am
Republicans lifted all the other ideas from Democrats, and Democrats will support them.
Progress.
I’d sure like to think so, Paul.
josef
June 28th, 2012
10:12 am
June 28th, 2012
10:11 am
Instant replay?”
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USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
10:12 am
“So the mandate is constitutional. Chief Justice Roberts joins the left of the Court-
http://news.yahoo.com/the-supreme-court-s-obamacare-decision–live-coverage-from-scotusblog.html”
that sound you hear is a thousand heads a’sploding … and that’s just Joseph and USMC
Simple Truths
June 28th, 2012
10:12 am
This is like the scene in Pulp Fiction where Travolta explains hash bars in Amsterdam….
Don't Forget
June 28th, 2012
10:13 am
USMC
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
10:13 am
feel for you, but unfortunately under the ACA, costs will be going up, not down. I’m sure you’re smart enough to understand that.
Duh!! And how many times have I said I didn’t like this deal??? You’re sounding a tad bit smug with your “freedom” spill today, and that’s not usually how you come off. Maybe I’m reading you wrong… maybe not.
However, I’m scratching my head at the very basics of the entire healthcare issue. How can a party that’s hell bent on keeping people from having abortions so hell bent on not making sure those babies have access to healthcare?
The way the system works now, you’re ok if you can maintain a healthy lifestyle. You can be healthy as hell and still get cancer or something else. Once you have that pre-existing condition, you’re f**ked. If your child is born with some medical defect, you’re f**ked.
If it were me, I’d do away with the insurance industry altogether. If you want to cut costs, that’s where the majority of the cost cutting can happen without collapsing the entire system. I sincerely hope and pray you stay single and healthy. If you end up having to support a family, I hope you don’t gamble with their health as you do with yours.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:13 am
CONSTITUTIONAL!
BOOOOOOM!
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MMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
10:13 am
CNN is all kinds of confused
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 28th, 2012
10:13 am
scotus blog
The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government’s power to terminate states’ Medicaid funds is narrowly read.
JOE COOL
June 28th, 2012
10:14 am
Breaking News:
Insurance mandate survives in 6-3 Supreme Court decision
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:14 am
So it is contsitutional? Except when it is not?
Skip
June 28th, 2012
10:14 am
Kicked the can down the road.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 28th, 2012
10:14 am
God Bless America!
I can’t spike the ball…I’m too short…..
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 28th, 2012
10:14 am
5-4 UPHELD!!!!!!
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:14 am
Joe Cool if that is true, that is what I called on Monday on this blog.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
send the referee to the sideline booth – after further review…
go dawgs
Hurst
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
And CNN wonders why their ratings are in the commode.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
East Cobb: Medicaid. States still can say FU to goevrnment funding of medicaid or something.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
Oy vey….. how the cons will mooooaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnn
Simple Truths
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
I am waiting for Jay to post about how partisan the court is. Or how the decision was done in private.
Skip
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
Health insurer stock taking a dive.
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
Roberts: “mandate can be upheld via the tax clause but not the commerce clause”…..
hmmmmmmmm
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
Activist judges!!! Partisan judges!!!!!
Right Jay?
Oh wait…only when you don’t agree with them
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I couldn’t help it……..
USMC
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
OBAMACARE WINS!
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
10:16 am
Hallelujah!!!! Now we have even more to run on. The Obama and the democrats have raised taxes on the American people….
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
10:16 am
“CNN is all kinds of confused”
how many different kinds are there?
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
10:16 am
You’re sounding a tad bit smug with your “freedom” spill today
Spiel. From ze Cherman. Vell… maybe ze Yiddish.
(Maybe it was a “spill,” but you get my point.)
Don't Forget
June 28th, 2012
10:16 am
The bad news is that Bush gets a third term.
A question
June 28th, 2012
10:17 am
a tax? i thoufght this wasnt a tax? HAHA
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:17 am
So the Republicans will not be spiking the ball as there is no ball to spike.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
10:17 am
Individual MANDATE—-UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
Spiked THE BALL —–TO SOON!
Jay
June 28th, 2012
10:17 am
how many different kinds are there?
A lot. That’s the nature of confusion ….
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
10:17 am
Tax tax tax…. I thought Obama didn’t raise taxes…
Don't Forget
June 28th, 2012
10:18 am
Dewey defeats Truman!!!!!
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
10:18 am
That’s a serous question? When the point was people without insurance by and large are supported by people with insurance?
Paul–The simple fact is that the pool of uninsured folks by and large consists of the young, the poor and illegal immigrants. Since none of them are going to be paying for their new insurance, what do you expect to change under the ACA?? I’ve been through this enough times that I would think some of you Libs might catch on.
A question
June 28th, 2012
10:19 am
WOW look at these activist judges right Jay?
Talking Head
June 28th, 2012
10:19 am
“Health insurer stock taking a dive.”
I would expect them to soar, gov just handed them big $$$
JOE COOL
June 28th, 2012
10:19 am
What the WHITE IS DOING DOING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ANUkOyDNQ&feature=related
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
10:19 am
So, is it unconstitutionally constitutional or constitutionally unconstitutional?
JOE COOL
June 28th, 2012
10:19 am
*HOUSE
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
“Individual MANDATE—-UNCONSTITUTIONAL!”
Like when someone returns a punt put flips it out of their hands in excitement right before they cross the goal line
Paul
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
“that sound you hear is a thousand heads a’sploding … and that’s just Joseph and USMC”
Now THAT’S hilarious, USinUK!
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
Obama said this was not a tax…. Did he lie?
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
Correction: The Supreme Court backs all parts of President Obama’s signature health care law.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
CNN breaking news..
Correction: The Supreme Court backs all parts of President Obama’s signature health care law.
Simple Truths
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
After the ruling, I imagine Jay is cleaning his keyboard now…
JOE COOL
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
I botched that all up…
What the WHITE HOUSE IS DOING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ANUkOyDNQ&feature=related
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
Only thing that Bruno will be “spiking” today will be the punch
Meyers or Appleton will work
“it was almost like a song, but much to sad to write”
USMC
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
“Spiked THE BALL —–TO SOON!”–USNC
Glad I could give you a cheap thrill, USNC.
Williebkind
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
Paul
June 28th, 2012
9:36 am
It would be called an monopoly!
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
5-4 upheld. Activist!!! Partisan!!!!!!!!!
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
I guess that, instead of being US citizens, we’ll all be known as US Johns to the insurance industry now…
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
josef, can we call them a civilized tribe yet?
A dad
June 28th, 2012
10:22 am
Aqua – well, at least you haven’t called me homophobe, racist, or any other of the standard slanders when someone says something you disagree with. You misread my blog on several fronts, which I execpt from an uber lib. First off, the entire point of my blog, which againyou missed, was there is a massive amount of fraud out there which is something were done to address it, revamp the programs and make them more honest, could possibly free up a significant amount of money to be devoted towards more appropriate applications, such as perhaps shoring up social secutiry, or making medicare more responsive towards actual needs and not lobbying by certain senors organizations like AARP. As for the manicure, they run about $45-50 a pop, and the same people come in at least twice a week. Not bad for someone relying on gov’t assistance, eh? My friend is not looking for another job (and at least she has one), but was just sharing her observations about people milking the system, and I was merely passing it along for the premises there is a lot of abuse out there whichif fixed, would probably make a lot of these programs less of a financial drain and oh my goodness, who knows where that could lead? People less dependent on the gov’t. Can’t have that now can me? I mean if people were actually self-reliant, what would the democratic party have to keep them enslaved, er, I mean, interested with?
But you, as you claim, call B.S. when you see it. Given how much you blog on this blog and occasionally on Wingnuts, I’m going to have to believe that you must be one of those individuals so blessed to rely and subsist upon some manner of gov’t entitlement, cause if I was your boss and you spent all the time bloggin instead of doing your job I’d fire you phat @ss.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:22 am
It is not a tax. Except when it is.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
10:22 am
After libs realize how this will hurt in November I gotta feeling we won’t be talking about this anymore… This could be the largest tax on the American people in history…. Not to mention Taxmegedden coming in January….
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 28th, 2012
10:22 am
SCOTUS web site – “The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.”
What does that mean?
Don't Forget
June 28th, 2012
10:22 am
Joseph, the mandate has no teeth, both criminal and civil actions are prohibited. It’s about as serious as a parking ticket in a different state from where you live.
Paul
June 28th, 2012
10:23 am
Bruno
My understanding is there would be subsidies that would, at many levels, require some payment by the individuals.
But please hold this, and an answer to what should be done regarding your two points, till later. The Court decision takes priority now, please.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:23 am
“Health insurer stock taking a dive.”
I would expect them to soar, gov just handed them big $$$
BUY BUY BUY!
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:23 am
Court rules in favor of man who lied about receiving the medal of honor. Court says lies protected by 1st amendment.
Need to update my resume.
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
10:23 am
the libs on the court stayed partisan…the presumed highly partisan righty “Roberts” showed some balance and a penchant for compromise…right jay?
Simple Truths
June 28th, 2012
10:24 am
Hacks like Jay would tell us that these 5-4 decisions weaken the power of the court. I don’t imagine Jay will be blogging about that in this instance.
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
10:24 am
Bro
That is true, but I still must laugh and joke today based on some of the comments thrown out from some of or regulars
Paul
June 28th, 2012
10:25 am
Peadawg
“Like when someone returns a punt put flips it out of their hands in excitement right before they cross the goal line”
Or when someone intercepts, gets spun around and runs the wrong way.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 28th, 2012
10:25 am
Ha ha, poor CNN. Can’t buy a break.
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
10:25 am
Apologies – you can’t refuse to pay the tax; typo. The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
10:26 am
The Court holds that the mandate violates the Commerce Clause, but that doesn’t matter b/c there are five votes for the mandate to be constitutional under the taxing power.
Mary Elizabeth
June 28th, 2012
10:26 am
The Constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act has been upheld.
It is important to reflect, at this momentous time, that President Obama waged most of his political capital on this law, just as he did with his decision to risk having Osama bin Laden killed. This president has strength and moral courage, which cannot be denied.
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
10:26 am
Republicans wanted the mandate. Obama gave them that.
And BTW, Jay, what’s the old line about repeating a lie often enough??
If “Republicans” wanted the mandate, then I’m sure you’ll have no problem pointing to a long list of Republican co-sponsors to the ACA. At best, a FEW Republicans (read: Newt Gingrich and the Heritage Foundation) thought it might be a good solution on a notional level, but even they have retracted the idea. Why? Because it’s a bad idea, founded on a specious “free rider” argument which is easily debunked.
josef
June 28th, 2012
10:27 am
He ne ha
Good one! Personally, I wanna see ‘em play stickball to make their decisions…this looks and sounds like the Choctaw fox hunt to me…
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
10:27 am
My bad US prostitutes, as we’ve just been pimped out to the health insurance industry.
Paul
June 28th, 2012
10:27 am
East Cobb RINO
Someone at CNN’s looking for a new job -
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
10:27 am
Bruno and USMC
Don’t kick the dog. It isn’t their fault
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
10:28 am
Only thing that Bruno will be “spiking” today will be the punch
I promise to be very nice and civil, but I have to admit–this made me laugh.
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
10:28 am
oooh… SHEETZ already.
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
10:28 am
Bro
Time for some cheap make up and short skirts
Paul
June 28th, 2012
10:29 am
Look for the penalty/tax to be increased to cover the public’s cost for the person’s nonparticipation.
Maybe that’ll be a Republican proposal in the name of individual responsibility and no freeloading?
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:29 am
Mary Elizabeth
June 28th, 2012
10:26 am
How true. Cons can complain all they want about how they disagree with the POTUS, but they have no valid argument he cannot lead ot govern.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 28th, 2012
10:29 am
the only free financial/accounting advice i will ever give on this blog –
buy (and hold) united health care
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
10:30 am
Ha ha, poor CNN. Can’t buy a break.
funny how nobody here seemed to be hanging on Foxnews.com’s coverage. I guess the presumption was that they wouldn’t be the first with the news.
I’ve said it a bunch of times–whatever you might think about CNN as a TV/News outlet, when the crap comes down, they’re generally the first you (still) turn to.
headin’ on up…
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:31 am
Paul, Fox news will probably hire him/her.
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
10:31 am
That is true, but I still must laugh and joke today based on some of the comments thrown out from some of or regulars
I’ve just put my microwave popocorn on myself. Beer is cold too!!!!
Talking Head
June 28th, 2012
10:37 am
So the ACA isn’t a tax according to Obama, but according to the SCOTUS it IS a tax.
Oh yeah, and the US Supreme Court has now said that Congress can use the ‘taxing power’ to make us purchase anything the want us to purchase. That should work out well.
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
10:37 am
So the mandate is “constitutional”.
Celebrate away then, Libs. That flushing sound you all just heard is our freedom going down the toilet. If the Interstate Commerce Clause can be misused in this way, then it’s anything goes.
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
10:37 am
Has anyone told Bill Orvis that his prayers didn’t work? Might want to clue Donovan in as well.
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
10:39 am
And BTW, enjoy the blog by yourselves from here on out. Bruno is done here.
Mary Elizabeth
June 28th, 2012
11:12 am
East Cobb RINO, Inc., 10:29 am
It should, also, be pointed out that, in over half of a century, no other president has been able to have passed into law a national health care plan, although several have tried to do so.
Of course, part of the success in this present endeavor must be attributed not only to President Obama’s political shrewdness, but also to the evolution of thinking, regarding this issue, in the minds of Americans over time.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
Bruno: If the Interstate Commerce Clause can be misused in this way, then it’s anything goes.
Actually…. if you read the ruling….
me
June 28th, 2012
2:09 pm
because of this ruling I will layoff 3000 of my workers
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