Will the Supremes be ObamaCare’s real ‘death panel’?
It is, if you think about it, kind of ironic.
As ObamaCare was being passed, conservatives complained that the entire U.S. health care industry was being remade in secret with the results being “crammed down their throats” by a majority allegedly uninterested in negotiation. Little to none of that was true, but in this debate truth had been pummeled, kicked and left to die in an alleyway months earlier anyway.
Now those same conservatives eagerly await while the entire U.S. health care industry is remade in true secrecy, by unchallengeable edict issued from private chambers by nine robed figures haughtily and altogether immune to public opinion.
Once the announcement is “handed down” — a telling phrase, that one — sometime around 10:15, I’ll post a running analysis as I speed-read through the opinion, much as we handled the immigration ruling earlier this week.
It’ll be days before the dust settles on this one, and months and even years before the wounds from it heal. It has the potential to reshuffle the political environment as well as the health-care system, and to permanently alter the image and role of the Supreme Court as well.
Other than that, it’s not all that important.
– Jay Bookman
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Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 28th, 2012
10:14 am
5-4 UPHELD!!!!!!
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:14 am
Joe Cool if that is true, that is what I called on Monday on this blog.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
send the referee to the sideline booth – after further review…
go dawgs
Hurst
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
And CNN wonders why their ratings are in the commode.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
East Cobb: Medicaid. States still can say FU to goevrnment funding of medicaid or something.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
Oy vey….. how the cons will mooooaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnn
Simple Truths
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
I am waiting for Jay to post about how partisan the court is. Or how the decision was done in private.
Skip
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
Health insurer stock taking a dive.
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
Roberts: “mandate can be upheld via the tax clause but not the commerce clause”…..
hmmmmmmmm
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
Activist judges!!! Partisan judges!!!!!
Right Jay?
Oh wait…only when you don’t agree with them
.
I couldn’t help it……..
USMC
June 28th, 2012
10:15 am
OBAMACARE WINS!
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
10:16 am
Hallelujah!!!! Now we have even more to run on. The Obama and the democrats have raised taxes on the American people….
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 28th, 2012
10:16 am
“CNN is all kinds of confused”
how many different kinds are there?
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
10:16 am
You’re sounding a tad bit smug with your “freedom” spill today
Spiel. From ze Cherman. Vell… maybe ze Yiddish.
(Maybe it was a “spill,” but you get my point.)
Don't Forget
June 28th, 2012
10:16 am
The bad news is that Bush gets a third term.
A question
June 28th, 2012
10:17 am
a tax? i thoufght this wasnt a tax? HAHA
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:17 am
So the Republicans will not be spiking the ball as there is no ball to spike.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
10:17 am
Individual MANDATE—-UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
Spiked THE BALL —–TO SOON!
Jay
June 28th, 2012
10:17 am
how many different kinds are there?
A lot. That’s the nature of confusion ….
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
10:17 am
Tax tax tax…. I thought Obama didn’t raise taxes…
Don't Forget
June 28th, 2012
10:18 am
Dewey defeats Truman!!!!!
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
10:18 am
That’s a serous question? When the point was people without insurance by and large are supported by people with insurance?
Paul–The simple fact is that the pool of uninsured folks by and large consists of the young, the poor and illegal immigrants. Since none of them are going to be paying for their new insurance, what do you expect to change under the ACA?? I’ve been through this enough times that I would think some of you Libs might catch on.
A question
June 28th, 2012
10:19 am
WOW look at these activist judges right Jay?
Talking Head
June 28th, 2012
10:19 am
“Health insurer stock taking a dive.”
I would expect them to soar, gov just handed them big $$$
JOE COOL
June 28th, 2012
10:19 am
What the WHITE IS DOING DOING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ANUkOyDNQ&feature=related
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
10:19 am
So, is it unconstitutionally constitutional or constitutionally unconstitutional?
JOE COOL
June 28th, 2012
10:19 am
*HOUSE
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
“Individual MANDATE—-UNCONSTITUTIONAL!”
Like when someone returns a punt put flips it out of their hands in excitement right before they cross the goal line
Paul
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
“that sound you hear is a thousand heads a’sploding … and that’s just Joseph and USMC”
Now THAT’S hilarious, USinUK!
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
Obama said this was not a tax…. Did he lie?
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
Correction: The Supreme Court backs all parts of President Obama’s signature health care law.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
CNN breaking news..
Correction: The Supreme Court backs all parts of President Obama’s signature health care law.
Simple Truths
June 28th, 2012
10:20 am
After the ruling, I imagine Jay is cleaning his keyboard now…
JOE COOL
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
I botched that all up…
What the WHITE HOUSE IS DOING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ANUkOyDNQ&feature=related
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
Only thing that Bruno will be “spiking” today will be the punch
Meyers or Appleton will work
“it was almost like a song, but much to sad to write”
USMC
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
“Spiked THE BALL —–TO SOON!”–USNC
Glad I could give you a cheap thrill, USNC.
Williebkind
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
Paul
June 28th, 2012
9:36 am
It would be called an monopoly!
Peadawg
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
5-4 upheld. Activist!!! Partisan!!!!!!!!!
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
I guess that, instead of being US citizens, we’ll all be known as US Johns to the insurance industry now…
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am
josef, can we call them a civilized tribe yet?
A dad
June 28th, 2012
10:22 am
Aqua – well, at least you haven’t called me homophobe, racist, or any other of the standard slanders when someone says something you disagree with. You misread my blog on several fronts, which I execpt from an uber lib. First off, the entire point of my blog, which againyou missed, was there is a massive amount of fraud out there which is something were done to address it, revamp the programs and make them more honest, could possibly free up a significant amount of money to be devoted towards more appropriate applications, such as perhaps shoring up social secutiry, or making medicare more responsive towards actual needs and not lobbying by certain senors organizations like AARP. As for the manicure, they run about $45-50 a pop, and the same people come in at least twice a week. Not bad for someone relying on gov’t assistance, eh? My friend is not looking for another job (and at least she has one), but was just sharing her observations about people milking the system, and I was merely passing it along for the premises there is a lot of abuse out there whichif fixed, would probably make a lot of these programs less of a financial drain and oh my goodness, who knows where that could lead? People less dependent on the gov’t. Can’t have that now can me? I mean if people were actually self-reliant, what would the democratic party have to keep them enslaved, er, I mean, interested with?
But you, as you claim, call B.S. when you see it. Given how much you blog on this blog and occasionally on Wingnuts, I’m going to have to believe that you must be one of those individuals so blessed to rely and subsist upon some manner of gov’t entitlement, cause if I was your boss and you spent all the time bloggin instead of doing your job I’d fire you phat @ss.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:22 am
It is not a tax. Except when it is.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
10:22 am
After libs realize how this will hurt in November I gotta feeling we won’t be talking about this anymore… This could be the largest tax on the American people in history…. Not to mention Taxmegedden coming in January….
Steve - USA ("None of the Above")
June 28th, 2012
10:22 am
SCOTUS web site – “The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.”
What does that mean?
Don't Forget
June 28th, 2012
10:22 am
Joseph, the mandate has no teeth, both criminal and civil actions are prohibited. It’s about as serious as a parking ticket in a different state from where you live.
Paul
June 28th, 2012
10:23 am
Bruno
My understanding is there would be subsidies that would, at many levels, require some payment by the individuals.
But please hold this, and an answer to what should be done regarding your two points, till later. The Court decision takes priority now, please.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
10:23 am
“Health insurer stock taking a dive.”
I would expect them to soar, gov just handed them big $$$
BUY BUY BUY!
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:23 am
Court rules in favor of man who lied about receiving the medal of honor. Court says lies protected by 1st amendment.
Need to update my resume.
ty webb
June 28th, 2012
10:23 am
the libs on the court stayed partisan…the presumed highly partisan righty “Roberts” showed some balance and a penchant for compromise…right jay?
Simple Truths
June 28th, 2012
10:24 am
Hacks like Jay would tell us that these 5-4 decisions weaken the power of the court. I don’t imagine Jay will be blogging about that in this instance.
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
10:24 am
Bro
That is true, but I still must laugh and joke today based on some of the comments thrown out from some of or regulars
Paul
June 28th, 2012
10:25 am
Peadawg
“Like when someone returns a punt put flips it out of their hands in excitement right before they cross the goal line”
Or when someone intercepts, gets spun around and runs the wrong way.
Welcome to the Occupation
June 28th, 2012
10:25 am
Ha ha, poor CNN. Can’t buy a break.
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
10:25 am
Apologies – you can’t refuse to pay the tax; typo. The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.
ByteMe - Political thug
June 28th, 2012
10:26 am
The Court holds that the mandate violates the Commerce Clause, but that doesn’t matter b/c there are five votes for the mandate to be constitutional under the taxing power.
Mary Elizabeth
June 28th, 2012
10:26 am
The Constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act has been upheld.
It is important to reflect, at this momentous time, that President Obama waged most of his political capital on this law, just as he did with his decision to risk having Osama bin Laden killed. This president has strength and moral courage, which cannot be denied.
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
10:26 am
Republicans wanted the mandate. Obama gave them that.
And BTW, Jay, what’s the old line about repeating a lie often enough??
If “Republicans” wanted the mandate, then I’m sure you’ll have no problem pointing to a long list of Republican co-sponsors to the ACA. At best, a FEW Republicans (read: Newt Gingrich and the Heritage Foundation) thought it might be a good solution on a notional level, but even they have retracted the idea. Why? Because it’s a bad idea, founded on a specious “free rider” argument which is easily debunked.
josef
June 28th, 2012
10:27 am
He ne ha
Good one! Personally, I wanna see ‘em play stickball to make their decisions…this looks and sounds like the Choctaw fox hunt to me…
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
10:27 am
My bad US prostitutes, as we’ve just been pimped out to the health insurance industry.
Paul
June 28th, 2012
10:27 am
East Cobb RINO
Someone at CNN’s looking for a new job -
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
10:27 am
Bruno and USMC
Don’t kick the dog. It isn’t their fault
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
10:28 am
Only thing that Bruno will be “spiking” today will be the punch
I promise to be very nice and civil, but I have to admit–this made me laugh.
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
10:28 am
oooh… SHEETZ already.
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
10:28 am
Bro
Time for some cheap make up and short skirts
Paul
June 28th, 2012
10:29 am
Look for the penalty/tax to be increased to cover the public’s cost for the person’s nonparticipation.
Maybe that’ll be a Republican proposal in the name of individual responsibility and no freeloading?
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:29 am
Mary Elizabeth
June 28th, 2012
10:26 am
How true. Cons can complain all they want about how they disagree with the POTUS, but they have no valid argument he cannot lead ot govern.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 28th, 2012
10:29 am
the only free financial/accounting advice i will ever give on this blog –
buy (and hold) united health care
stands for decibels
June 28th, 2012
10:30 am
Ha ha, poor CNN. Can’t buy a break.
funny how nobody here seemed to be hanging on Foxnews.com’s coverage. I guess the presumption was that they wouldn’t be the first with the news.
I’ve said it a bunch of times–whatever you might think about CNN as a TV/News outlet, when the crap comes down, they’re generally the first you (still) turn to.
headin’ on up…
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
June 28th, 2012
10:31 am
Paul, Fox news will probably hire him/her.
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
10:31 am
That is true, but I still must laugh and joke today based on some of the comments thrown out from some of or regulars
I’ve just put my microwave popocorn on myself. Beer is cold too!!!!
Talking Head
June 28th, 2012
10:37 am
So the ACA isn’t a tax according to Obama, but according to the SCOTUS it IS a tax.
Oh yeah, and the US Supreme Court has now said that Congress can use the ‘taxing power’ to make us purchase anything the want us to purchase. That should work out well.
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
10:37 am
So the mandate is “constitutional”.
Celebrate away then, Libs. That flushing sound you all just heard is our freedom going down the toilet. If the Interstate Commerce Clause can be misused in this way, then it’s anything goes.
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
10:37 am
Has anyone told Bill Orvis that his prayers didn’t work? Might want to clue Donovan in as well.
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
10:39 am
And BTW, enjoy the blog by yourselves from here on out. Bruno is done here.
Mary Elizabeth
June 28th, 2012
11:12 am
East Cobb RINO, Inc., 10:29 am
It should, also, be pointed out that, in over half of a century, no other president has been able to have passed into law a national health care plan, although several have tried to do so.
Of course, part of the success in this present endeavor must be attributed not only to President Obama’s political shrewdness, but also to the evolution of thinking, regarding this issue, in the minds of Americans over time.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
Bruno: If the Interstate Commerce Clause can be misused in this way, then it’s anything goes.
Actually…. if you read the ruling….
me
June 28th, 2012
2:09 pm
because of this ruling I will layoff 3000 of my workers
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