Supreme Court strips Romney of favorite argument

So how does Mitt Romney, the architect of RomneyCare, attack ObamaCare from this point forward?

Until now, Romney has claimed that the individual mandate is fine as policy when implemented at the state level. In fact, he has said repeatedly that he believes he did the right thing as governor of Massachusetts.

In a GOP debate in January, for example, Romney defended his plan on its merits, arguing that “everyone has a requirement to either buy it or pay the state for the cost of providing them free care. Because the idea of people getting something for free when they could afford to care for themselves is something that we decided in our state was not a good idea.”

However, while Romney argued that such an approach was right for Massachusetts, he also argued that it would be unconstitutional to implement it at the federal level. That was his get-out-of-jail card; that was the core of the distinction that he attempted to draw between RomneyCare and ObamaCare:

What was good policy at the state level was unconstitutional at the federal level.

Except that as we now know, it’s not. Romney’s argument has been rendered null and void by today’s Supreme Court decision upholding the mandate and the tax penalty used to enforce it.

Romney could, I suppose, try to seize upon the court’s description of the penalty as a tax to try to explain how his plan was different. U.S. Sen. Lindsay Thomas, in an appearance on Fox News this afternoon, was already pitching that line, claiming that “the issue is no longer about health care; it’s about taxes.”

Unfortunately for that line of argument, the tax penalty levied under RomneyCare on those who refuse to buy health insurance differs from that under ObamaCare only by degree, and not in a way friendly to Romney. You see, the maximum tax penalty in RomneyCare, at $1,212, is considerably higher than the maximum of $695 under ObamaCare.

Of course, none of this means that Romney won’t keep attacking the federal plan so clearly modeled after his own strategy. It just means that he won’t be able to do so credibly or logically.

– Jay Bookman

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Tommy Maddox

June 28th, 2012
3:16 pm

Easy – it’s a tax on everyone.

Butch Cassidy

June 28th, 2012
3:16 pm

Jay – “It just means that he won’t be able to do so credibly or logically.”

Yeah, not sure that logic or credibity is high on the list of his supporters.

Skip Caray

June 28th, 2012
3:19 pm

JOSEPH WINS! JOSEPH WINS! JOSEPH WINS!

Welcome to the Occupation

June 28th, 2012
3:20 pm

Limbaugh all praise for the Heritage Foundation today for its opposition to health care law — the one they wrote.

Jay

June 28th, 2012
3:22 pm

And yes, it’s a tax. It’s a tax levied ONLY on those who attempt to free ride on the system, knowing that if they’re in a car wreck, etc., they’ll get health care anyway.

It is, in other words, a tax only on those who refuse to pay their own way. A tax on the moochers, not on those who act responsibly. It is, you might say, a tax on stupidity, in the hope that by taxing it you get less of it.

It is a mark of the mindless antipathy to all things Obama that conservatives would claim to be appalled by such a tax, and would build their 2012 campaign around an effort to free the moochers from any obligation to contribute to their own care.

larry

June 28th, 2012
3:23 pm

It just means that he won’t be able to do so credibly or logically.

It means he’s a hypocrite. Pure and simple.

And I might add, its been a bad week for the Repubs. Their model immigration law was struck down, the Presidents ACA was upheld and they are fixing to hold the Attorney General in contempt of Congress for something that didnt happen ( i. e, the Fortune article) and they are going to look foolish doing it. Which hasnt stopped them before.

Midori

June 28th, 2012
3:24 pm

Paying taxes is a necessity for living in a civilized society.

Midori

June 28th, 2012
3:25 pm

and they are going to look foolish doing it. Which hasnt stopped them before.

word, Larry.

stands for decibels

June 28th, 2012
3:25 pm

Civilized people don’t cry about paying taxes.

Arnold

June 28th, 2012
3:25 pm

The decision reminds me of the Supreme Court election of George Bush. The only difference is with Bush thousands were killed or maimed. With Obama, thousands will live. Also, at less financial cost.

Butch Cassidy

June 28th, 2012
3:26 pm

Well, that would explain the look on his face when he gave his address earlier today. I’ve seen that same look on guys who just got kicked in the balls. :)

Peadawg

June 28th, 2012
3:26 pm

“So how does Mitt Romney, the architect of RomneyCare, attack ObamaCare from this point forward?”

Easy. He attacks it by calling out Obama for his 2009 comments saying it’s not a tax.

“It is, in other words, a tax only on those who refuse to pay their own way. A tax on the moochers, not on those who act responsibly.”

You really think Romney is going to include that in his ads?

Adam

June 28th, 2012
3:27 pm

Jay: Maybe you can help me because I don’t have the full background to explain why, but I am pretty sure a moocher can’t mooch, then get healthcare insurance immediately when they need it, then get back off and mooch again, etc. Is that legal and more importantly, is it even practical?

Tommy Maddox

June 28th, 2012
3:27 pm

“…conservatives would claim to be appalled by such a tax” when we were told time and time and time again that it was not a tax.

We were told that it was not a tax, correct?

Lord Help Us

June 28th, 2012
3:27 pm

Hasn’t the GOP been decrying the number of moochers that do not pay any taxes?

They should be thrilled!!

Tax the moochers!

stands for decibels

June 28th, 2012
3:28 pm

Intelligent people don’t look at our nation’s balance sheet and declare “we’re taxed enough already.”

Jay

June 28th, 2012
3:28 pm

“You really think Romney is going to include that in his ads?”

No, of course not. I do believe that Obama will do so, however. And he will probably cite a few of Romney’s own statements to that effect.

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
3:28 pm

It is a mark of the mindless antipathy to all things Obama that conservatives would claim to be appalled by such a tax, and would build their 2012 campaign around an effort to free the moochers from any obligation to contribute to their own care.

Not really. You really didn’t read the opinion on Knox V SEIU did you? Mooching is ok when the mooching is something that some conservatives agree with. One has the right to gain all the benefits gained by collective bargaining without having to pay the union dues to the union that achieved those benefits for you. Mooching is becoming the new American way.

Lord Help Us

June 28th, 2012
3:30 pm

Pea, are you mad at Romney for lying to you and telling you Obamacare was unconstitutional?

Peadawg

June 28th, 2012
3:31 pm

” I do believe that Obama will do so, however.”

He needs to do it and do it quickly. Hannity, Rush, et al will be absolutely flooding the airwaves w/ his 2009 quote about it not being a tax. Republican leaders are a lot better about getting the word out to the public than the Democrats are.

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
3:32 pm

Peadawg @ 3:31

Really begs the question about which party’s followers are herded like sheep, huh?

Jefferson

June 28th, 2012
3:33 pm

Romney will end up looking like Bill Buckner … between his legs.

Mighty Righty

June 28th, 2012
3:33 pm

Obama can’t pretend anymore. He has been deflecting attention from his record with the help of his storm troopers for the last six months. But there it is. The biggest screw up in american history, Obama Care which will destroy the finest medical system in the world by the stroke of Obama’s pen. Obama designed it, he promoted it, he twisted arms to get his party to pass it with out one single Republican vote. The plan was lied about from day one as a health care reduction plan when the truth is it was a socialist power grab. Since its inception, though less than fully implemented it has already caused a huge increase in medical cost Obamacare is Social Security and Medicare and Welefare on steroids. The cost of this program ultimately will cause everyones taxes to double just to pay for Obama Care. When it does, those of you cheering on the sidelines will find some way to blame the cost on anything but Obama Care. Maybe even Bush.

Aquagirl

June 28th, 2012
3:34 pm

that would explain the look on his face when he gave his address earlier today. I’ve seen that same look on guys who just got kicked in the balls.

Guess that magic underwear doesn’t work for everything.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
3:34 pm

Bro @ 3:32

Yes that question is begging for sure

Peadawg

June 28th, 2012
3:35 pm

“Pea, are you mad at Romney for lying to you and telling you Obamacare was unconstitutional?”

I guess just as mad as I’d be at Obama for saying is WAS constitutional if the SCOTUS overturned it. I.E. no I don’t believe he exactly lied.

Now if Romney, for whatever reason, were to keep saying it’s unconstitutional even after the SCOTUS decision…I’d probably laugh. But not really be mad.

Jay

June 28th, 2012
3:35 pm

And Tommy, if you want to get technical, Justice Roberts did not call it a tax. He wrote that it was just barely possible to construe it as a tax, and if it is possible to construe it as a tax, judicial restraint requires that they do so in order to save the law.

Here’s the Roberts’ statement point blank:

“… the statute reads more naturally as a command to buy insurance than as a tax, and I would uphold it as a command if the Constitution allowed it. It is only because the Commerce Clause does not authorize such a command that it is necessary to reach the taxing power question. And it is only because we have a duty to construe a statute to save it, if fairly possible, that §5000A can be inter- preted as a tax.”

In other words, it is a tax only in the most technical legal sense, but that technical legal sense is enough to make it constitutional.

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June 28th, 2012
3:35 pm

Jay

June 28th, 2012
3:22 pm

Jay,
Tell that to Joseph…PLeeezee!!

:lol:

Lord Help Us

June 28th, 2012
3:35 pm

‘ The cost of this program ultimately will cause everyones taxes to double just to pay for Obama Care’

Whewwww! Somebody light a match…that one came from a smelly place…

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
3:36 pm

Mighty Righty

Any new post from those saying you are “morally obliged to support Obama”?

I have been checking for you. Haven’t seen any

SoGaVet

June 28th, 2012
3:36 pm

But, but, but….Huge, unbelievable day for all of US! The Cons won’t come around, but they really are neutered!

Jay

June 28th, 2012
3:37 pm

Normal, telling Joseph something has no effect whatsoever. He comes equipped with a deflector shield that allows no fact to penetrate. You know that.

Lord Help Us

June 28th, 2012
3:37 pm

‘I guess just as mad as I’d be at Obama for saying is WAS constitutional if the SCOTUS overturned it. I.E. no I don’t believe he exactly lied.’

Well, therein lies the gray area…for both…

Midori

June 28th, 2012
3:37 pm

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 28th, 2012
3:37 pm

Geez, y’all are such sore losers… give it a rest….Man, what whiny baby’s… :)

Welcome to the Occupation

June 28th, 2012
3:38 pm

It is a mark of the mindless antipathy to all things Obama that ..

That’s the liberal line all right, but I don’t buy it. If a Hillary Clinton were in exactly the same position as Obama, the onslaught by the right would have been just as ferocious.

No, the reason for the antagonism has to do with an ideological offensive brought on by the vacuum created by the crisis of neoliberal capitalism at this post-financial crash moment.

Jefferson

June 28th, 2012
3:39 pm

Midori, she just told him to keep the chair warm, she may be back.

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June 28th, 2012
3:39 pm

Jay

June 28th, 2012
3:37 pm

True, that…but shaking my head and chuckling…

Road Scholar

June 28th, 2012
3:39 pm

An impartial person or group needs to tell what the legislation really does/doesn’t do. Up to today, President Obama’s message/explanation has been poor. The Repubs (the parents that gave birth to the legislation, on the other hand, have distorted most provisions just to thwart Obama.

Romney’s message tody (void the legislation and then craft a bill/changes is totally unacceptable. What will be kept? Added? And just how many think that this will be done and approved quickly? Just look at all the progress the Repubs have made on all fronts. Immigration? Health care? Need I say more!

AngryRedMarsWoman

June 28th, 2012
3:40 pm

“he maximum of $695 under ObamaCare”

Really? The way I read it the $695 is the minimum penalty/tax. What I read indicated that there is a different calculation when a certain percentage of the taxpayer’s household income that exceeds the applicable threshold for filing a tax return is greater than the amounts listed for the taxable year (1 percent of the excess amount in 2014, 2.0 percent of the excess in 2015, and 2.5 percent in 2016 or later). The example used in the SCOTUS case was: For example, where a taxpayer’s household income (minus the amount of the applicable threshold for filing a tax return) is $50,000, the shared responsibility payment amount per year would be, at a minimum, $500 for 2014, $1,000 for 2015, and $1,250 for 2016 or later. Can you point me to where in the law it says that the $695 is the maximum penalty/tax?

Lord Help Us

June 28th, 2012
3:40 pm

Well, raise my rent…the DJIA is making a late session surge.

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
3:40 pm

“One has the right to gain all the benefits gained by collective bargaining without having to pay the union dues to the union that achieved those benefits for you. Mooching is becoming the new American way”

But the SEIU decision wasn’t about dues or collective bargaining. It was about non-dues fees assessed on both members and non-members alike to pay for political activities. And some of the non-members sued because they didn’t want to be automatically assessed for fees to pay for activities they didn’t agree with.

SheeshLouise

June 28th, 2012
3:40 pm

So “Peadawg” readily ACKNOWLEDGES that we are all destined to be inundated by Bull— simply FOR THE PURPOSE of being INUNDATED WITH BULL—-!!!???? No real merits, no real logic, JUST angry, spiteful, “conservative” BULL—-! Pitiful.

So much for the pre-pre-prepared talking point about the “first 3 1/2 years of presidency wasted on a failed policy”. Maybe next time.

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June 28th, 2012
3:41 pm

Midori

June 28th, 2012
3:37 pm

Boehner looks like someone stole his kitten… :lol:

Peadawg

June 28th, 2012
3:41 pm

“Really begs the question about which party’s followers are herded like sheep, huh?”

True dat

Peadawg

June 28th, 2012
3:44 pm

I don’t think the $695 maximum is 100% accurate, Jay.

Mighty Righty

June 28th, 2012
3:45 pm

Twenty one tax increases and new taxes being hidden by looney proponents. A few are penalties on people who refuse to participate but most are not. For example, one is a “new” tax on medical devices, ie artificial limbs, heart monitors, etc. Now isn’t that nice?

The high court’s ruling leaves in place 21 tax increases in the health-care law costing more than $675 billion over the next 10 years, according to the House Ways and Means Committee. Of those, 12 tax hikes would affect families earning less than $250,000 per year, the panel said, including a “Cadillac tax” on high-cost insurance plans, a tax on insurance providers, and an excise tax on medical device manufacturers.

“This is a clear violation of the president’s pledge to avoid tax hikes on low- and middle-income taxpayers,” said a statement from the panel, which is chaired by Rep. Dave Camp, Michigan Republican.

Obama=Liar,Liar, pants on fire.

Tommy Maddox

June 28th, 2012
3:47 pm

Well Jay @ 3:35, if it was not a tax, then the Act would have failed as Justice Roberts would have ruled differently. I would have preferred that it not be a tax but oh well.

I just think it will again awaken that sleeping giant that showed up in 2010.

Jefferson

June 28th, 2012
3:47 pm

End of Dec, the Bush/Obama tax cut to expire.

Road Scholar

June 28th, 2012
3:47 pm

Midori: With a face like that , you’d think that Boehmer was the one that ate the chili dogs from the Varsity!

stands for decibels

June 28th, 2012
3:49 pm

I know I’m stealing this from Rachel Maddow, but isn’t scheduling a contempt vote, designed to attract attention to their stupid F&F fishing expedition, for *today* of all days…

yet another bit of evidence that Speaker Boehner is Bad At His Job®?

Jefferson

June 28th, 2012
3:49 pm

The independents are the only sleeping giant out there Tom, the right has less than the left.

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 28th, 2012
3:49 pm

the maximum tax penalty in RomneyCare, at $1,212, is considerably higher than the maximum of $695 under ObamaCare

oh, snap!

Steve

June 28th, 2012
3:49 pm

I love the people claiming they will move to Canada, or Rush saying he’d move to Costa Rica – both countries with REAL socialized medicine. We still have private insurance companies.

Jay

June 28th, 2012
3:49 pm

“that sleeping giant”

yeah Tommy, I heard the Fox blonde repeat that phrase over and over and over. I see it has had its desired effect.

Jack

June 28th, 2012
3:50 pm

Maybe we’ll have a moocher-tax repository. Then all moocher claims can be paid from those funds.

stands for decibels

June 28th, 2012
3:50 pm

I heard the Fox blonde

You don’t leave it muted?

Much more pleasant that way.

Aquagirl

June 28th, 2012
3:51 pm

Obama=Liar,Liar, pants on fire.

I know this loss reminds some cons of your humiliation on the playground in third grade, but do you have to be so blatant about your flashbacks?

This SCOTUS ruling isn’t personal, try to suck it up and act like adults fer chrissakes. I’m embarrassed for some of y’all.

stands for decibels

June 28th, 2012
3:51 pm

I love the people claiming they will move to Canada, or Rush saying he’d move to Costa Rica

Believe Boortz was playing the “Texas needs to secede so’s I can move there” card today.

super credible stuff, that.

Recon 0311 2533

June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm

“And yes, it’s a tax. It’s a tax levied ONLY on those who attempt to free ride on the system, knowing that if they’re in a car wreck, etc., they’ll get health care anyway.”

When the SCOTUS ruling struck down the state mandate it means that those states who choose to opt out of expanding their Medicaid rolls will hand back to the Fed the responsibility for covering the additional exchange costs for the increased number of those considered poor. Guess who’ll pay that additional cost? Yes correct, the taxpayers. This will be a huge tax increase on the middle class. Romney and the Republicans have been served up a huge hot button campaign issue or rather AHA issues that Obama will have to defend.

ty webb

June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm

What, no mea culpa about what a dark ,shadowy, partisan body the Supreme court is? Guess you didn’t men that in a “technical” sense.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm

Does everyone finally realize I was right, and that you DON’T have to pay the tax, and they can’t come after you for it? Or do I need to provide proof.

By the way, you also realize there are very few situations in which the average person would even have the penalty applied to them, right?

Tommy Maddox

June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm

Sorry Jay – I’ve been at my office today and missed the blondage broadcasts.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm

issa playing politics with the death of Agent Brian Terry on the house floor is a disgusting spectacle.

He should resign.

Incompetent.

Torsten

June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm

Sorry Books,

The SCOTUS misruling does nothing but help Romney.

You see, no matter your politics, the reality is Obamacare remains comfortably unpopular among a comfortable majority of Americans. A plurality of this majority is the same group that made up what wasn’t and isn’t but was considered a monolith: the tea party (movement).

After its cornerstone role in 2010, any full belly victory then delivered is now gone. The fervor will return and that can only help Mitt Romney. The reality is that Obama has given us:

–record deficits, $1T per year, each record after record
–record debt
–record stimuls (a tax)
–Obamacare (now defined as a tax by Justice Roberts’ misruling)

No matter how you cut it, all of this was delivered in his first two years in office, with Democrat congressional control, without bipartisanship efforts, and now saved by…… bom, bom, bom…..one of the three bottomdwellers of public opinion: the court system. (Politicians and media members being the other two.)

So, well, I’m thrilled because now, Booksie, it’s not Romney’s favorite argument stripped away, it’s Obama’s: we’re being screwed by the system. Had Obamacare been overturned, the outcry would’ve been over the injustice of denying altruism and the solution would be to re-elect Obama so he can see it through again. Now the outrcy is over the government being sweeping and intrusive and powerhungry. Well, there’s one guy who has not spent his life in government and his name is not Obama.

TaxPayer

June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm

It’s… it’s like the Republican party’s Samson got held down and had his hair cut. Oh, the irony.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm

yeah Tommy, I heard the Fox blonde repeat that phrase over and over and over. I see it has had its desired effect.

Bears repeating: Really begs the question about which party’s followers are herded like sheep, huh?

Adam

June 28th, 2012
3:52 pm

yet another bit of evidence that Speaker Boehner is Bad At His Job®?

YESSSS! I’ve been thinking that all day!

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 28th, 2012
3:53 pm

Okay boys and girls … say it with me, now …

HE WAS FOR IT BEFORE HE WAS AGAINST IT – as he is with so many other issues

(and repeat it daily between now and November)

Paul

June 28th, 2012
3:53 pm

“It just means that he won’t be able to do so credibly or logically.”

Question is, will the Republican base understand? Not that they’d care, anyway. It’s just another tag line to latch onto to vent their anger at All Things Obama.

Hopefully, swing voters will understand and will understand flailing when they see it.

Zebra

June 28th, 2012
3:54 pm

@Mighty Righty
“which will destroy the finest medical system in the world ”

except for the 36 systems which get better outcomes and arerated higher, right? What a tool!

Jefferson

June 28th, 2012
3:54 pm

Its easy to defend helping Americans instead of only helping RICH Americans and their corporate raiders.

Butch Cassidy

June 28th, 2012
3:54 pm

Here, Obamacare broken down so a 5 year old can understand it:

Non-partisan breakdown of what Obamacare ACTUALLY is.

What is Obamacare and what did it change?

Okay, explained like you’re a five year-old (well, okay, maybe a bit older), without too much oversimplification, and (hopefully) without sounding too biased:

What people call “Obamacare” is actually the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. However, people were calling it “Obamacare” before everyone even hammered out what it would be. It’s a term mostly used by people who don’t like the PPACA, and it’s become popularized in part because PPACA is a really long and awkward name, even when you turn it into an acronym like that.

Anyway, the PPACA made a bunch of new rules regarding health care, with the purpose of making health care more affordable for everyone. Opponents of the PPACA, on the other hand, feel that the rules it makes take away too many freedoms and force people (both individuals and businesses) to do things they shouldn’t have to.

So what does it do? Well, here is everything, in the order of when it goes into effect (because some of it happens later than other parts of it):

Already in effect:

It allows the Food and Drug Administration to approve more generic drugs (making for more competition in the market to drive down prices)

It increases the rebates on drugs people get through Medicare (so drugs cost less)

It establishes a non-profit group, that the government doesn’t directly control, PCORI, to study different kinds of treatments to see what works better and is the best use of money. ( Citation: Page 665, sec. 1181)

It makes chain restaurants like McDonalds display how many calories are in all of their foods, so people can have an easier time making choices to eat healthy. ( Citation: Page 499, sec. 4205 )

It makes a “high-risk pool” for people with pre-existing conditions. Basically, this is a way to slowly ease into getting rid of “pre-existing conditions” altogether. For now, people who already have health issues that would be considered “pre-existing conditions” can still get insurance, but at different rates than people without them.

It renews some old policies, and calls for the appointment of various positions.

It creates a new 10% tax on indoor tanning booths. ( Citation: Page 923, sec. 5000B )

It says that health insurance companies can no longer tell customers that they won’t get any more coverage because they have hit a “lifetime limit”. Basically, if someone has paid for health insurance, that company can’t tell that person that he’s used that insurance too much throughout his life so they won’t cover him any more. They can’t do this for lifetime spending, and they’re limited in how much they can do this for yearly spending. ( Citation: Page 14, sec. 2711 )

Kids can continue to be covered by their parents’ health insurance until they’re 26.

No more “pre-existing conditions” for kids under the age of 19.

Insurers have less ability to change the amount customers have to pay for their plans.

People in a “Medicare Gap” get a rebate to make up for the extra money they would otherwise have to spend.

Insurers can’t just drop customers once they get sick. ( Citation: Page 14, sec. 2712 )

Insurers have to tell customers what they’re spending money on. (Instead of just “administrative fee”, they have to be more specific).

Insurers need to have an appeals process for when they turn down a claim, so customers have some manner of recourse other than a lawsuit when they’re turned down.

New ways to stop fraud are created.

Medicare extends to smaller hospitals.

Medicare patients with chronic illnesses must be monitored more thoroughly.

Reduces the costs for some companies that handle benefits for the elderly.

A new website is made to give people insurance and health information. (I think this is it:http://www.healthcare.gov/ ).

A credit program is made that will make it easier for business to invest in new ways to treat illness.

A limit is placed on just how much of a percentage of the money an insurer makes can be profit, to make sure they’re not price-gouging customers.

A limit is placed on what type of insurance accounts can be used to pay for over-the-counter drugs without a prescription. Basically, your insurer isn’t paying for the Aspirin you bought for that hangover.

Employers need to list the benefits they provided to employees on their tax forms.

8/1/2012
Any health plans sold after this date must provide preventative care (mammograms, colonoscopies, etc.) without requiring any sort of co-pay or charge.

1/1/2013
If you make over $200,000 a year, your taxes go up a tiny bit (0.9%). Edit: To address those who take issue with the word “tiny”, a change of 0.9% is relatively tiny. Any look at how taxes have fluctuated over the years will reveal that a change of less than one percent is miniscule, especially when we’re talking about people in the top 5% of earners.

1/1/2014

This is when a lot of the really big changes happen.

No more “pre-existing conditions”. At all. People will be charged the same regardless of their medical history.

If you can afford insurance but do not get it, you will be charged a fee. This is the “mandate” that people are talking about. Basically, it’s a trade-off for the “pre-existing conditions” bit, saying that since insurers now have to cover you regardless of what you have, you can’t just wait to buy insurance until you get sick. Otherwise no one would buy insurance until they needed it. You can opt not to get insurance, but you’ll have to pay the fee instead, unless of course you’re not buying insurance because you just can’t afford it.

Insurers now can’t do annual spending caps. Their customers can get as much health care in a given year as they need. ( Citation: Page 14, sec. 2711 )

Make it so more poor people can get Medicaid by making the low-income cut-off higher.

Small businesses get some tax credits for two years.

Businesses with over 50 employees must offer health insurance to full-time employees, or pay a penalty.

Limits how high of an annual deductible insurers can charge customers.

Cut some Medicare spending

Place a $2500 limit on tax-free spending on FSAs (accounts for medical spending). Basically, people using these accounts now have to pay taxes on any money over $2500 they put into them.

Establish health insurance exchanges and rebates for the lower and middle-class, basically making it so they have an easier time getting affordable medical coverage.

Congress and Congressional staff will only be offered the same insurance offered to people in the insurance exchanges, rather than Federal Insurance. Basically, we won’t be footing their health care bills any more than any other American citizen.

A new tax on pharmaceutical companies.

A new tax on the purchase of medical devices.

A new tax on insurance companies based on their market share. Basically, the more of the market they control, the more they’ll get taxed.

The amount you can deduct from your taxes for medical expenses increases.

1/1/2015
Doctors’ pay will be determined by the quality of their care, not how many people they treat. Edit: a_real_MD addresses questions regarding this one in far more detail and with far more expertise than I can offer in this post. If you’re looking for a more in-depth explanation of this one (as many of you are), I highly recommend you give his post a read.

1/1/2017
If any state can come up with their own plan, one which gives citizens the same level of care at the same price as the PPACA, they can ask the Secretary of Health and Human Resources for permission to do their plan instead of the PPACA. So if they can get the same results without, say, the mandate, they can be allowed to do so. Vermont, for example, has expressed a desire to just go straight to single-payer (in simple terms, everyone is covered, and medical expenses are paid by taxpayers).

2018

All health care plans must now cover preventative care (not just the new ones).

A new tax on “Cadillac” health care plans (more expensive plans for rich people who want fancier coverage).

2020
The elimination of the “Medicare gap”

.

Aaaaand that’s it right there.

The biggest thing opponents of the bill have against it is the mandate. They claim that it forces people to buy insurance, and forcing people to buy something is unconstitutional. Personally, I take the opposite view, as it’s not telling people to buy a specific thing, just to have a specific type of thing, just like a part of the money we pay in taxes pays for the police and firemen who protect us, this would have us paying to ensure doctors can treat us for illness and injury.

Plus, as previously mentioned, it’s necessary if you’re doing away with “pre-existing conditions” because otherwise no one would get insurance until they needed to use it, which defeats the purpose of insurance.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 28th, 2012
3:54 pm

“I love the people claiming they will move to Canada, or Rush saying he’d move to Costa Rica

Believe Boortz was playing the “Texas needs to secede so’s I can move there” card today.”

well, at least I know I’M safe here in the UK!!! :-D

Adam

June 28th, 2012
3:55 pm

By the way, “Obama raised your taxes” isn’t going to work because you’ve already been saying that for 4 years, and you’ve already got the people you’re going to get with that one. Assuming their single issue “tax” voters. But just like the gay marriage thing, it’s not going to cause Democrats, the base, or Independents to flee from Obama in droves. That’s just wishful thinking on your part.

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
3:55 pm

Doggone

That was what the case was about, but I think it was Scalia’s opinion that jumped the bridge I was referring to. As per this session, he went off on a tangent that had nothing to do with the case. Getting away from that case, you still have the same thing happening in Wisconsin and any other right-to-work state. I have co-workers who benefit from our CBA without paying anything at all in union dues. I haven’t heard anybody calling out for an end to that mooching yet.

Welcome to the Occupation

June 28th, 2012
3:55 pm

LOL. From Mitt Romney’s own website:

As president, Mitt will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts …

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/courts-constitution

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
3:56 pm

To stands point, the Fox foxes and dirty laundry specialists are a LOT like Brittney Spears and all the subsequent divas, etc.

Infinitely more enjoyable with the sound muted and real music playing.

Shake that thing, Megyn….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doG-ADIEeN4

getalife

June 28th, 2012
3:56 pm

dems have a motion for public hearings on wide receiver.

Boom.

Filter

June 28th, 2012
3:57 pm

Oh my God, did someone just say that American Healthcare was the best system in the world?

REALLY? The way it was????? REALLY?

I was self employed for 17 years. Working in a field where lay my heart and soul. And I was widely seen as one of the best at what I did. The problem is that, although my passions lay there, the business was one in which only a few got rich and the rest of us made a decent, honest living but were solidly middle to lower middle class.

For 17 years I was able to put health insurance on my wife and children but had to exclude myself and take my chances. Why? When I was 7 I was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes. Unlike Type 2 this kind is not preventable or based on weight or other lifestyle choices.

So from the time I was 18 and was tossed from my parents policy (I couldn’t afford the COBRA at 18 and neither could my working class parents) until I left my chosen profession at 35 I was forced to incur HUGE bills and risks, bills which have kept me awash in debt all of my adult life.

I finally made the decision to leave my business behind and go work for a company through which I could get basic coverage. I may not like my work anymore and the people I employed had to go elsewhere, but at least I have some semblance of coverage.

So don’t give me this crap about the healthcare system in America being “the finest medical system in the world” Mighty Righty. It was a screwed up system that served those who had the means or the job to get coverage or those too poor to afford it. But if you were Middle Class and had a problem like mine then that’s just too d@#n bad.

“Speak not about that which thou dost not know.” Bastardized Shakespeare

Sean Hanitty

June 28th, 2012
3:58 pm

“Let not your heart be troubled”

:-)

ODD OWL

June 28th, 2012
3:58 pm

Is it feasible to compare the Roberts Supreme Court with the Warren Supreme Court back in the 60’s and the 70’s ??? The Supreme Court got a lot of work done this session… Most of it will benefit the American people… Thank You… But, the campaign finance law that the Roberts Court upheld must be revisited and struck down…

Steve

June 28th, 2012
3:58 pm

Wow, the “right” has a lot of lies and fear to spread! NEW and MORE TAXES!! (no, that’s not true). IT WILL RANK UP THE DEBT!! (nope, not true)

I don’t believe anything the right wing spews out these days. All, #$%ing lies.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 28th, 2012
3:58 pm

“dems have a motion for public hearings on wide receiver”

are they eliminating the position all together?

stands for decibels

June 28th, 2012
3:58 pm

which will destroy the finest medical system in the world

…for Saudi Princes who can afford the highest-end care? maybe.

for the 99%? not so much.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
4:00 pm

For whoever was wondering downstairs about Bristol Palin’s Wal-Mart Kardashian’s mother’s reaction: SARAH PALIN: ‘Obama Lies, Freedom Dies’

Jay

June 28th, 2012
4:00 pm

Meghan Kelly: ““the Supreme Court just woke up a sleeping giant.”

“The Supreme Court just woke up a sleeping giant,” declared Arizona House Republican Dave Schweikert.

Twitter going crazy with “sleeping giant”.

So “sleeping giant” it is.

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 28th, 2012
4:00 pm

“which will destroy the finest medical system in the world”

except for all the other ones that cost less per capita and get better results …

… of which there are many (and ours here in the UK is one of them!!)

single-payer, babbee!!!

stands for decibels

June 28th, 2012
4:00 pm

LOL. From Mitt Romney’s own website:

holy crow, they still haven’t revised that? It’s been hours since a cow orker pointed that one out to me.

Another guy who’s Bad At His Job, apparently. Mitt’s job for the last five years, of course, being “Runnin’ for Preznit.”

stands for decibels - Sleeping Giant

June 28th, 2012
4:01 pm

if ya say so, Jay!

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 28th, 2012
4:01 pm

sleeping giant???

that’s the best they could come up with???

sad, that.

stands for decibels - Sleeping Giant

June 28th, 2012
4:01 pm

oh well, back to producin’ for me.

Later, maybe…

Rickster

June 28th, 2012
4:03 pm

If there’s anyone that knows about being not being able to argue “credibly or logically” – it’s Jay.

godless heathen

June 28th, 2012
4:03 pm

So if you don’t have insurance, you pay a “tax” to the government up to $612. But you still don’t have insurance. So you are in an accident or get sick, you still go to the emergency room and run up thousands of dollars in medical bills that you can’t pay for. Well somebody still has to pay them, so the provider still charges the people that have insurance more to cover the expenses just like they do now. And this helps us how? Who is going to buy insurance if it costs more than $612 a year?

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
4:04 pm

“That was what the case was about, but I think it was Scalia’s opinion that jumped the bridge I was referring to. As per this session, he went off on a tangent that had nothing to do with the case”

Oh, Ok…that I did not know about. I just heard the decision and what the case was about.

‘I have co-workers who benefit from our CBA without paying anything at all in union dues. I haven’t heard anybody calling out for an end to that mooching yet”

You can thank Georgia’s right to work laws for that.

Bernie

June 28th, 2012
4:05 pm

Jay, Surely Mitt is now thinking that he is somewhere in the TWILIGHT ZONE right about now.

To have authored a LAW with great success on a STATE level. Then to have to denigrate and deride the same law which you in fact enacted as Bad policy, is like waking up in a bad dream and see that is real.

MITT has BUZZARD LUCK!

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 28th, 2012
4:05 pm

I want to levy a tax on fat people. And old people.

This should get fun.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
4:06 pm

Sleeping giant my ass. The sleeping giant is the mass of liberals who stayed home in 2010, not these yokels that ALWAYS vote Republican come hell or high water.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 28th, 2012
4:06 pm

I want a tax on people who have an abortion

And anyone that gets a journalism degree

Butch Cassidy

June 28th, 2012
4:07 pm

godless heathen – “So if you don’t have insurance, you pay a “tax” to the government up to $612. But you still don’t have insurance. So you are in an accident or get sick, you still go to the emergency room and run up thousands of dollars in medical bills that you can’t pay for.”

Not exactly. The penalty paid by those who choose not to het insurance is udsed to offset the cost of treatment should one need it. Unlike now where it’s a 100% free ride for anyone who walks in the door.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
4:07 pm

By the way, day close, DJIA down only just shy of 25 points. Not 70, not 140. 0.2% change. I guess that health crae thing REALLY DESTROYED EVERYTHING didn’t it? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
4:07 pm

I want a tax on bloomberg trolls.

Rickster

June 28th, 2012
4:08 pm

The Obama administration argued the mandate wasn’t a tax. The Supreme Court ruled against the mandate using the Commerce Clause as its justification.

The Obama administration argued the mandate was a tax. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of it on that basis.

I don’t know how you can say the same thing is both constitutional and unconstitutional. If it’s not constitutional under both arguments… the thing should have been thrown out.

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
4:08 pm

You can thank Georgia’s right to work laws for that.

And we both know which ideology champions right to work laws… ;)

Liberal Pariah

June 28th, 2012
4:09 pm

Since when do Liberals support taxing moochers??????

Adam

June 28th, 2012
4:10 pm

The Obama administration argued the mandate wasn’t a tax

It still isn’t. You misunderstand. The MANDATE isn’t a tax because the MANDATE is to buy insurance or to have a penalty applied. That penalty is one that you actually have no legal obligation to pay. So, in essence, still no new taxes, any way you slice it.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
4:11 pm

In other words it’s not a MANDATE that you be penalized, it’s a MANDATE that you buy insurance or have it provided. The penalty for NOT doing that is the tax, not the mandate itself.

Welcome to the Occupation

June 28th, 2012
4:11 pm

Filter 3:57. Right on.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
4:11 pm

I’m out, see you all later.

ty webb

June 28th, 2012
4:11 pm

I’m thankful there’s not a tax on handsomeness.

martin the calvinist

June 28th, 2012
4:12 pm

Jay, what does a family of 6 do if the total income of that said family is less than 30 thousand, the person can’t afford health coverage or the fine?

TaxPayer

June 28th, 2012
4:12 pm

godless heathen

June 28th, 2012
4:13 pm

“Not exactly. The penalty paid by those who choose not to het insurance is udsed to offset the cost of treatment should one need it. Unlike now where it’s a 100% free ride for anyone who walks in the door.”

So the hospitals will just bill the Fed Government for all the services they are forced by law to provide to the uninsured? And the “taxes” collected will cover that??

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
4:13 pm

“Penélope Cruz is hawt.”
– Thomas Jefferson

St Simons - he-ne-ha

June 28th, 2012
4:14 pm

whoa, i was knocked into the ocean by this human wave of doctors
piling up at the docks trying to get out of the country, i guess going to
practice their love on women in a freedum luvin kuntry.

Fred ™

June 28th, 2012
4:16 pm

Kammie? Really? You are wasting time on this rather than watching Germany and Italy? 0-2……….

jconservative

June 28th, 2012
4:17 pm

“Easy. He attacks it by calling out Obama for his 2009 comments saying it’s not a tax.”

Not so sure. Romney has been saying for 4 years that he did not raise taxes when he was Governor. And his mandate has a penalty, or tax, if you prefer.

Paulo977

June 28th, 2012
4:17 pm

Midori

June 28th, 2012
3:37 pm

____________________
Says it all doesn’t it?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
4:17 pm

Geez Fred, I forgot.

Thanx

godless heathen

June 28th, 2012
4:18 pm

“Since when do Liberals support taxing moochers??????”

They fixed that by setting it up so there is no penalty for not paying the tax. For the productive class, it is withheld from their paycheck.

Fred ™

June 28th, 2012
4:18 pm

15 minutes left. Hurry. if all else fails………..

http://www.espn3.com

Williebkind

June 28th, 2012
4:18 pm

I hope justice roberts catches the drawin disease, it draws his nose to his anus, then he catches the drizzles, and then he lives for a thousand years. What a liberal in conservative clothing!!!

John Birch

June 28th, 2012
4:18 pm

Jay – They couldn’t have been moochers because even illegal aliens are entitled to free health care. Libs liked to extoll the virtues of this bill by claiming it was universal health care. As I pointed out a long time ago we already have universal health care, this is just universal health insurance. They are not moochers, they are invicibles, young and healthy that don’t need health insurance. BTW, people who don’t have insurance don’t get free health care, they get a bill they are expected to pay. This law is just another redistribution plan all you entitlement socialists love, tax the rich to feed the real moochers and now make the healthy pay to provide health care for the sick.

joe

June 28th, 2012
4:18 pm

If you think small businesses (which drive our economy) are not presently hiring enough, well, with the S Court’s ruling today, what hiring was there will stop dead in its tracks. I feel bad for the unemployed…your outlook for employment took a huge hit today.

John Birch

June 28th, 2012
4:20 pm

Joe – After the Arizona law ruling earlier this week employers are only hiring illegal aliens anyway!

josef

June 28th, 2012
4:21 pm

Looks like the Health Care/Insurance boys and girls don’t seem to see Apocalypse now…their boy Obama won through….

UnitedHealth Grou…59.51 +0.22 0.37%
CIGNA Corporation44.20 -1.20 -2.64%
Humana Inc.79.47 -0.07 -0.09%
Universal America…10.48 +0.37 3.66%
Health Net, Inc. 24.57 -0.60 -2.38%
Molina Healthcare…23.07 +1.75 8.21%
Aetna Inc.39.83 -1.12 -2.75%
Coventry Health C… 32.46 -0.77 -2.32%
StanCorp Financia…36.00 +0.42 1.18%
National Health P…0.0030 +0.0001 3.45%

curious

June 28th, 2012
4:21 pm

I like a “tax” like this one. Only a few will be paying.

It’s a fee, anyway. It’s the price of the ticket to opt out.

RB from Gwinnett

June 28th, 2012
4:21 pm

You’d have to be a complete moron to think the majority of the uninsured will ever be asked to pay for their own health insurance. This whole thing never has been and never will be about them having healthcare. It’s about who’s going to pay for it. And it’s going to be paid for by the same 53% who are paying for everything else.

Sean Hanitty

June 28th, 2012
4:21 pm

joe @ 4:18

I know of no business that hires to just be hiring. They do so based on current and projected demand

If there is demand some company will provide the supply if another will not do so.

Supply & Demand: study up on it

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
4:23 pm

…employers are only hiring illegal aliens anyway!

Been that way in my biz for the past thirty or so years.

Someone else late to the party.

Joseph

June 28th, 2012
4:23 pm

Easy Jay.. Its the largest TAX increase in American history thrust upon the folks in bad economic times…

Butch Cassidy

June 28th, 2012
4:23 pm

joe – “If you think small businesses (which drive our economy) are not presently hiring enough, well, with the S Court’s ruling today, what hiring was there will stop dead in its tracks.”

Yeah, I can hear it now. “Hey Joe, we have all these orders to fill, sure wish we could hire the people we need to get the job done.Yeah, Too bad Sam, because of Obamacare we’ll just have to let that profit go to the competition becuase we don’t offer insurance and we sure as hell won’t hire anyone so we can avoid the penalty no matter how much money we let walk out the door. “

kitty

June 28th, 2012
4:23 pm

On the other blog I said that once all settles out I can go to work in my husband’s business and help it grow and create American jobs once this two time cancer survivor can get insurance outside of working for someone else just like Filter said above regarding his “pre-existing condition”. How can that be bad? It sure is bad when someone like Filter and I have to give up our dreams and just work for someone so we can have health insurance. He and I are hardly moochers. I have been working for decades how and never took a government dime.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 28th, 2012
4:23 pm

A tax on liberal bloggers would be a swell idea

They’re probably even in favor of it :)

getalife

June 28th, 2012
4:24 pm

Sleeping giant?

They need a new talking head guy.

“I did it because it was the right thing to do for the American people” President Obama

Much better.

Butch Cassidy

June 28th, 2012
4:24 pm

RB from Gwinnett – “it’s going to be paid for by the same 53% who are paying for everything else.”

Damn, 53% of the population is uninsured?No wonder they needed to pass Obamacare.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 28th, 2012
4:25 pm

A tax on people who don’t own guns

Now we’re talking

Lord Help Us

June 28th, 2012
4:25 pm

‘thrust upon the folks in bad economic times…’

Is it 2014 already?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
4:25 pm

TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX
TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX
TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX

ty webb

June 28th, 2012
4:26 pm

on the bright side…the commerce clause has finally been narrowed.

Joseph

June 28th, 2012
4:26 pm

One of the first ads to run will be Oblama lying to the American people about this monstrosity not being a TAX…

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 28th, 2012
4:27 pm

We should tax people who don’t work, specifically with a separate tax

While we’re at it, trying to discourage behavior, we should tax people who don’t exercise twice daily for 45 minutes

Butch Cassidy

June 28th, 2012
4:27 pm

Joseph, what is this obsession you have with “thrusting”, “cramming” and “foaming”?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
4:27 pm

TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX
TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX

godless heathen

June 28th, 2012
4:27 pm

“You’d have to be a complete moron to think the majority of the uninsured will ever be asked to pay for their own health insurance. This whole thing never has been and never will be about them having healthcare. It’s about who’s going to pay for it. And it’s going to be paid for by the same 53% who are paying for everything else.”

You nailed it RB.

Lord Help Us

June 28th, 2012
4:27 pm

I think Romney would do better by working to make the law better rather than the ‘repeal’ mantra…

IMO, the ‘repeal’ spin is red meat for the people who would vote against Obama regardless.

Joseph

June 28th, 2012
4:27 pm

Lord Help Us:

Do you have any sort of vision for the future or is live for today? Business’s realize whats coming down the pipe and won’t hire…

RB from Gwinnett

June 28th, 2012
4:28 pm

Butch, if you can’t read, stay out of the discussion.

Sean Hanitty

June 28th, 2012
4:28 pm

Jm

All that nonsense isn’t going to change anything. When there is a bill in Congress to tax anything close to what you are saying, holla

Lord Help Us

June 28th, 2012
4:29 pm

‘Do you have any sort of vision for the future or is live for today? Business’s realize whats coming down the pipe and won’t hire…’

No, but I have a calendar that says it’s 2012 and this aspect of the ACA does not even come in to the picture until 2014.

Butch Cassidy

June 28th, 2012
4:29 pm

RB from Gwinnett – “Butch, if you can’t read, stay out of the discussion.”

I will if you will.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
4:30 pm

The private sector needs demand for their product.

This bill does that.

A proposal like Germany’s green energy policy will do that too.

Jobs people, focus.

retired early

June 28th, 2012
4:31 pm

Will someone please do a documentary of how the citizens of massachusetts like their mandatory healthcare. From what i’ve heard, it is very popular…learn from their experience.
That is at least one thing Romney got right…and he can’t even take credit for it because he would piss off his own party.

TM

June 28th, 2012
4:32 pm

What I think people do not see is this is a victory that uphold the limitation of Congress. The majority holds that this would not fly under the Commerce Clause and can only fly under the Feds ability to tax. If it had gone the other way the power of Congress to use the Commerce Clause to invade our daily lives would have been unlimited. For this J, Roberts is a genius.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
4:33 pm

Do you have any sort of vision for the future…

This, from a dead red adherent of the political party that absolutely defines the trait of NO vision?

John Muir – a hated tree hugger to today’s right wingers- wrote about having the vision to protect our national parks and resources for the next seven generations.

Neocons are not interested in anything beyond the next quarter’s earnings statements.

And watching them spit and spew over today’s ruling has been enormously entertaining…

getalife

June 28th, 2012
4:34 pm

The gop voted no on the other operation hearing under w.

Politics.

The dems are walking out of the house and will speak to the media.

TaxPayer

June 28th, 2012
4:34 pm

I just hope the Republicans can at least make it through the day before they completely collapse from the burden of health care. It’s gotta be rough being a Republican.

ty webb

June 28th, 2012
4:34 pm

TM,
George Will makes that point in today’s column. You should check it out.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
4:35 pm

And it’s going to be paid for by the same 53% who are paying for everything else.

There is a REAL simple solution that would go a LONG way to remedying that, but you corporatist nutjobs won’t even hear of it…

martin the calvinist

June 28th, 2012
4:36 pm

If I understand the bill correctly, i don’t have to pay for my healthcare anymore……someone else will due to what I earn income wise, please tell me where I’m wrong……….

getalife

June 28th, 2012
4:36 pm

fast and furious is officially over.

Aquagirl

June 28th, 2012
4:36 pm

It sure is bad when someone like Filter and I have to give up our dreams and just work for someone so we can have health insurance.

This sails right over the heads of the supposedly free-market-lovin’ Republicans. Our economy is hamstrung when people aren’t where they’re most productive. If Bill Gates had been a type 1 diabetic from a blue collar background he might have spent years in a crap job just to obtain health insurance.

Lord Help Us

June 28th, 2012
4:38 pm

Just saw this on the google…

‘ObamaCare is not RobertsCare’

Mitt will need to change his mantra.

Lord Help Us

June 28th, 2012
4:38 pm

Make that ‘
‘ObamaCare is noW RobertsCare’

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
4:38 pm

“And we both know which ideology champions right to work laws…”

Yup!

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
4:39 pm

For this J, Roberts is a genius.

You may want to explain that fact to some of your more reactionary compadres then…..

For example:

Williebkind
June 28th, 2012
4:18 pm

I hope justice roberts catches the drawin disease, it draws his nose to his anus, then he catches the drizzles, and then he lives for a thousand years. What a liberal in conservative clothing!!!

That doesn’t paint a very good picture of conservatives as a whole. It also doesn’t help support the notion that “libs act with emotion. cons act with logic” that we here around here from time to time.

Sean Hanitty

June 28th, 2012
4:39 pm

When this case came up before the numerous Fed district courts, did more or less rule in favor / partial favor or not?

How did Robert’s mentor on the DC circuit rule?

Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!

June 28th, 2012
4:39 pm

an e-mail from People for the American Way

pfaw @ scotus

Dear (Normal),

In an important win for the American people, the Supreme Court today upheld President Obama’s Affordable Care Act. The Court affirmed that Congress acted appropriately by using its power to address the very real crisis in our health care system.

As we celebrate the victory, however, we must take note that it was a close 5-4 split decision by the Court. What’s shocking about this decision is that it wasn’t unanimous.

By any reasonable standard, the constitutionality of Obamacare is not a close question. But even in his deciding opinion upholding health care reform, Chief Justice Roberts attacked the scope of Congress’s authority to address our nation’s problems under the Commerce Clause — a nod to an extreme right-wing judicial philosophy that would roll back the achievements of the Civil Rights Era, social programs dating back to the New Deal and protections for workers and consumers going back over 100 years.

Ultra-conservative ideologues have been remarkably successful in pushing the Court far, far to the right to advance their political ideology. And today’s close call will make the Supreme Court a major issue for progressives, moderates and independents in the upcoming election.

Every American needs to understand, in no uncertain terms: when you vote for President, you are voting for the next Supreme Court.

With Robert Bork advising Mitt Romney on judicial nominations, it’s clear that Romney is intent on stacking the Court with more of the kind of Justices who would scrap the protections contained in the President’s health care law and other important protections for countless Americans and their fundamental rights.

People For will be making sure that voters remember this decision, and many others of the Roberts Court, when they go to the polls in November.

You can help by visiting RomneyCourt.com to find out more about what a Mitt Romney presidency would mean for the future of the Supreme Court.

And please share the link, the video and materials found on RomneyCourt.com to help spread the word.

Thank you for all your incredible support, and for standing with People For the American Way to fight for a fair and just federal judiciary that respects our core constitutional values and works to protect all Americans.

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Michael Keegan, President

St Simons - he-ne-ha

June 28th, 2012
4:39 pm

it is obvious now that Michelle Bachmann (R-Nuts) should be
Mittens VP

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
4:41 pm

“If I understand the bill correctly, i don’t have to pay for my healthcare anymore……someone else will due to what I earn income wise, please tell me where I’m wrong”

You need to learn the difference between “healthcare” and “healthcare insurance”

getalife

June 28th, 2012
4:41 pm

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
4:41 pm

getalife

I’m shocked that 2 Republicans voted no and 17 Democrats voted yes on that one. I’m interested in who those individuals are and what districts they represent. They’ve gotta be swing districts where competition is waiting for them to slip up.

kitty

June 28th, 2012
4:42 pm

It sure is bad when someone like Filter and I have to give up our dreams and just work for someone so we can have health insurance.

This sails right over the heads of the supposedly free-market-lovin’ Republicans. Our economy is hamstrung when people aren’t where they’re most productive. If Bill Gates had been a type 1 diabetic from a blue collar background he might have spent years in a crap job just to obtain health insurance.

===================

Aquagirl…did you notice YOU are the only one who even commented on that little factoid…telling that….many want to ignore that not having universal healthcare actually hamstrings the US economy.

TaxPayer

June 28th, 2012
4:42 pm

“A tax by any other name is not a Tax.” – Antonin Scalia

getalife

June 28th, 2012
4:42 pm

willard/bachmann.

Scary ticket.

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
4:43 pm

“Scary ticket”

No kidding! A lot of people just might die laughing

Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!

June 28th, 2012
4:43 pm

TM

June 28th, 2012
4:43 pm

As for Jay’s comments that it is a tax only on the freeloaders that don’t buy insurance, may be he should think about the college grads that not on mommy’s or daddy’s policy and trying to pay back loans and must chose between paying loans, paying for apartment or buying insurance.I wouldn’t call that person a freeloader if they decided to forgo insurance at that time in their life

kitty

June 28th, 2012
4:44 pm

Normal…SCOTUS justices was the main reason I voted for Obama. Last thing we need is another loony Scalia and his lapdog Thomas…and don’t get me started on Alito.

Lord Help Us

June 28th, 2012
4:45 pm

‘the college grads that not on mommy’s or daddy’s policy and trying to pay back loans and must chose between paying loans, paying for apartment or buying insurance’

Words escape me…

kitty

June 28th, 2012
4:45 pm

.I wouldn’t call that person a freeloader if they decided to forgo insurance at that time in their life

================================

Until they have an accident or something that you and I have to pay for….well, no more. Universal healthcare would remedy that, too, by the way.

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
4:46 pm

And so..26 million people
are uninsured because
they are moochers..this
will show them..

getalife

June 28th, 2012
4:46 pm

Bro,

There are con dems and the NRA is powerful.

dems don’t march lock step but would like to hear from the republicans that voted no.

TaxPayer

June 28th, 2012
4:46 pm

How many Republicans have turned to drinking today. There must be millions of Republicans out there in need of relief from the agony they are feeling right now. Feel for your fellow Republicans. Point them toward the liquor store nearest their current location but remind them to never ever drink and drive. They should take Marta.

martin the calvinist

June 28th, 2012
4:47 pm

You’re deflecting doggone/GA, I believe the bill either expands medicaid or give income based subsidies to pay for the insurance, so if i stay at my current income level, (don’t want to) my health insurance is paid for.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
4:48 pm

SCOTUS justices was the main reason I voted for Obama.

If there was even a remote chance that a conservative SCJ was retiring in the next 4 years, we would see a much more viable candidate than the one that lost to the one that lost to Obama in 08

St Simons - he-ne-ha

June 28th, 2012
4:48 pm

that’s what i’m sayin, keep this wingnut comedy gold going til Nov.

josef

June 28th, 2012
4:49 pm

Kitty…

I was just getting ready to respond.

If these wack-os had the vaguest notion of what a Type 1 diabetic has to forfeit out a month JUST TO STAY ALIVE, forget the associated health maintenance. etc. etc. The pharmaceutical companies have got a cash cow there and milk it for all it’s worth… that is, to me, enough to damn them right there…

TM

June 28th, 2012
4:50 pm

For this J, Roberts is a genius.

You may want to explain that fact to some of your more reactionary compadres then…..

Some times it takes awhile for reality to appear to a few. I believe Jay was calling this the most partisan court in the history of our country until the last few days after Arizona and this decision.

Matti

June 28th, 2012
4:50 pm

From this morning’s news: South Fulton Medical Center will close its women’s program — including labor and delivery rooms, the mother/baby unit and the neonatal ICU — and eliminate 80 positions, the hospital’s owner announced this week.

getalife is correct: Let’s focus on JOBS. The health care sector creates good jobs providing services that people need. The more access to healthcare services people have, the more employed health care workers we have in our communities. Employed health care workers pay their rent, mortgage, car notes, buy tires, clothes, shoes, food, and movie tickets, and other goods and services that keep the economy going.

The ACA isn’t perfect, but it’s something. In tough times, something is a good thing.

godless heathen

June 28th, 2012
4:50 pm

What is your proposal for universal healthcare, kitty?

ty webb

June 28th, 2012
4:51 pm

“That doesn’t paint a very good picture of conservatives as a whole. It also doesn’t help support the notion that “libs act with emotion. cons act with logic” that we here around here from time to time.”

there’s brosephus and that broad brush of his again.

Lord Help Us

June 28th, 2012
4:52 pm

‘Some times it takes awhile for reality to appear to a few.’

Coming from the poster that just anguished about college kids, and thus showing complete ignorance of the ACA, this is quite a gem…

Today has been entertaining.

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
4:53 pm

“so if i stay at my current income level, (don’t want to) my health insurance is paid for”

Then consider yourself one of the lucky ones. At least you’ll HAVE health insurance. But having health insurance is not the same thing as having FREE HEALTHCARE, which is what you originally said. For instance, I have health insurance now via my employer, which is a major corporation, and my healthCARE costs me $60 a month for medication. $60 a month is not FREE healthcare.

Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!

June 28th, 2012
4:54 pm

Kitty,
Me too…

Filter

June 28th, 2012
4:56 pm

josef,

People not only have no idea but I doubt they care. Until something like this knocks on their door…..and then suddenly they get it.

Dekalb comments

June 28th, 2012
4:56 pm

John Birch @ 4:18

As you correctly point out, the uninsured do not receive free health care. They receive the minimum care required to stablizie them and are presented with a bill. They don’t receive health care. They are given care for an acute injury or illness. If they have cancer they are stabilized and sent home. They do not get to come back and go to chemo-therapy. There is no requirement for any health care provider to provide that.

But I am paying a tax today every time they receive this care for which they cannot or will not pay. A friend of mine in Dallas is a hospital administrator. He said they add between 12-15% to the price of every service they provide to paying customers like me. So I am paying a 12-15% tax through higher premiums, higher co-pays, etc. for that service.

So I am personally glad individuals will have the option of either purchasing health insurance through an exchange or out on the open market or paying a fee, a tax for refusing to participate. It won’t result in a reduction in my 12-15% surtax until enough people enter the insurance market and begin to pay for those services. But there is a clear disincentive for them to remain outside of the market.

If you have been freeloading on the system then I am glad you are getting a tax increase. If you have not been freeloading on the system then you should be glad the freeloaders now have a strong incentive to paritipcate in our health care system.

Don Abernethy

June 28th, 2012
4:56 pm

Very sad day for America.

godless heathen

June 28th, 2012
4:57 pm

“Today has been entertaining.”

Yes it has. All the libbies dancing in the streets because all our worries are over. Everybody gonna have insurance. LOL!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
4:57 pm

Cue the “House holds Holder in contempt” deflection comments in 3…2…1….

getalife

June 28th, 2012
4:57 pm

The AG responds politics over public safety.

Independent investigation showed it started under w and he ended it.

Will not resign.

Have you no shame moment.

Gator Joe

June 28th, 2012
4:58 pm

It was a pleasant surprise to have Chief Justice Roberts in the majority. Perhaps he is attempting to bring this court back from the precipice of becoming a blatantly prejudicial body and by extension the perception of it’s being illegitimate.

Paul

June 28th, 2012
4:58 pm

Butch Cassidy

“Here, Obamacare broken down so a 5 year old can understand it:”

You forgot “It’s a tax increase! A stealth tax increase! Designed to wreck the economy and force America to buy stuff they don’t want!!”

ty webb

June 28th, 2012
4:59 pm

“Cue the “House holds Holder in contempt” deflection comments in 3…2…1….”

where you been? Getalife has been giving updates in haiku form for awhile.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
4:59 pm

When HMOs are outlawed only outlaws will have HMOs.

Aquagirl

June 28th, 2012
5:00 pm

People not only have no idea but I doubt they care. Until something like this knocks on their door…..and then suddenly they get it.

A neocon is a liberal who hasn’t needed medical care…yet.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
5:00 pm

godless,

If it fails we will follow Canada so it’s a win win.

Sean Hanitty

June 28th, 2012
5:00 pm

Looks like the double barrel whammy of the Obamacare slam dunk rebuke and Holder contempt vote turned out to be nothing more than a sparkler at best, heck a match that didn’t stay lit for long

So much for the firework show

:-)

getalife

June 28th, 2012
5:01 pm

The cons turn on Roberts.

Impeach.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
5:02 pm

Designed to wreck the economy…

NO! NO! NO!

That is the global warming hoax.

Jay

June 28th, 2012
5:02 pm

“‘the college grads that not on mommy’s or daddy’s policy and trying to pay back loans and must chose between paying loans, paying for apartment or buying insurance’

In 2014, the penalty for someone with adjusted gross income of $30,000 who does not have insurance would be a maximum of $300 a year. Consider that a premium for the catastrophic insurance coverage they would get should they end up in an emergency room, or pregnant.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
5:02 pm

We’ve moved wayyyyyy beyond the wingnuts just looking like sore losers (which they are)… wingnuts are uniformed and simply bat $hit crazy…

I guess they’re mad because they all stayed up all night writing zingers and preparing all their gloating material… only to be shot down by W’s second stringer for CJ of SCOTUS… You all are wishing he’d stuck with his cleaning lady now… aren’t you?

getalife

June 28th, 2012
5:03 pm

That was fun.

A one two punch.

Down goes the gop.

Redneck Convert (R---and proud of it)

June 28th, 2012
5:03 pm

How many Republicans have turned to drinking today. There must be millions of Republicans out there in need of relief from the agony they are feeling right now.

Well, boy howdy! I been down in the dumps ever since that SC ruling this a.m. Now I got hope. I’m going to be keeping my eye on beer sales in the hoity-toity neighborhoods. My 401k could shoot thru the roof!

josef

June 28th, 2012
5:04 pm

FILTER

Ours is a Type 1 household, luckily with good insurance and so far none of the associated conditions. I can’t fathom what those not in our position must be going through and especially those whose children are the diabetics.

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
5:05 pm

Romney/Redneck 2012.

josef

June 28th, 2012
5:08 pm

Since this is pretty much a repeat of downstairs, I’ll say what I said there.

What’s all this “celebration” and “lamenting” about? The insurance companies have made out like a bandit which ought to be an outrage to those celebrating and a cause for ecstasy for those lamenting.

Why do I feel like Alice is calling my name?

Tundra Dude

June 28th, 2012
5:09 pm

Josef wrote:
The pharmaceutical companies have got a cash cow there and milk it for all it’s worth… that is, to me, enough to damn them right there…

Thank the Republicans. This is the only “free” country on planet earth that’s not allowed to negotiate with the Pharma Cartels.

RB from Gwinnett

June 28th, 2012
5:14 pm

Jay, if they have an income of $30k, they have an employer who will be fined for not providing their insurance. How much is the employers fine and how much of that do you believe will be passed on to their customers?

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
5:14 pm

Got a 19 yo with Type 2 in my house. This ruling does nothing to change the expenses that go along with that… Insulin ain’t cheap…

getalife

June 28th, 2012
5:17 pm

It is corporate welfare but it does help millions of Americans.

The President won the immigration and health care issues.

Move forward not back.

josef

June 28th, 2012
5:18 pm

Troll

And not to mention meters, test strips…and without good insurance, you might as well forget any of the advanced thingies like the pump…

josef

June 28th, 2012
5:19 pm

getalife

The INSURANCE COMPANIES won this one…

TGT

June 28th, 2012
5:19 pm

It just means that he won’t be able to do so credibly or logically.

You mean like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOaLLdpVzAs

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
5:21 pm

They tried, he won’t go with the pump. Needless to say, the Troll house always has been, and always will be insured, ACA or not…

pogo

June 28th, 2012
5:21 pm

Now that the Supreme Court has made its decision, I respect that decision. Unlike Jay, who just yesterday was wailing that the politically biased Court was not to be trusted, I always maintained that I would respect their decision, right or wrong. In this case, pertaining to this law, I don’t even know what the right thing is and to tell the truth everyone of you don’t either. You, just like the creators of this law, don’t know what it will mean for the people of this country. One thing is for sure; those on medicaire are about to pay more and get less. This bill essentially handed over your right to make your own medical decisions to a government panel and government panels do not have a great history of making the best decisions on anything. No longer will those on medicare and medicaid be able to just go to any doctor they please as often as they please. That is all gone. And for all of those old retirees who have been languishing out there going to any doctor or specialist that they chose, those days are about to be over. They (the government) will decide what kind of care you get based upon some flow-diagram in a triage procedure somewhere. And believe it or not but your age will be a great factor in their decisions. The older you are the less care you will be eligible for.

Another known fact is that this bill will sink this country even further into the debt abyss. There are not enough people making enough money to float the 50 odd percent who will qualify for government subsidies. So for all of you tof retirement age hat have children and grandchildren and that are enjoying unlimited government subsidized healthcare now, rejoice. You may be able to get what you want medically but you will be doing so by selling out those who come after you.

Paul

June 28th, 2012
5:23 pm

Don Abernethy

“Very sad day for America.”

Why?

Because people with preexisting conditions can buy health insurance?

Because if you get cancer the insurance company can’t drop you?

Because if you lose your job and you or a family member has a debilitating condition, you can still buy insurance?

Because people will be responsible for themselves and their families?

Why, exactly?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
5:23 pm

They (the government) will decide what kind of care you get based upon some flow-diagram in a triage procedure somewhere.

They (the insurance companies) already do that and have been for decades.

Another one late to the party

killerj

June 28th, 2012
5:24 pm

We have now taken the first step toward,s a socialistic government that now tell,s its citizen,s what they can and cannot do,tax my ass.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
5:24 pm

The INSURANCE COMPANIES won this one…

As if they would have lost without this one?

Like the banksters and casino owners, they have won and will win almost all of the time.

Get rid of the useless bastards.

SINGLE PAYER NOW.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
5:25 pm

Socialism — BOO!

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
5:26 pm

DEATH PANELS BABY DEATH PANELS!!!

It doesn’t roll off the tongue quite as well as DRILL BABY DRILL!!! but I thought I’d try the Hill Billy from Wasilly’s new slogan…

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
5:26 pm

The INSURANCE COMPANIES won this one…

As if they would have lost without this one?

Like the banksters and casino owners, they have almost always won and will win almost all of the time.

Get rid of the useless ba stards.

SINGLE PAYER NOW.

TaxPayer

June 28th, 2012
5:28 pm

Republicans have definitely shown themselves to be totally ignorant of just about every aspect of the healthcare legislation except for one key item–the label their leaders originally imposed on it as though it would ultimately be a cross to big for Obama to Care to bear. Republicans should do themselves a service and at least read an accurate summary of what “ObamaCare” does.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
5:29 pm

RB: You’d have to be a complete moron to think the majority of the uninsured will ever be asked to pay for their own health insurance. This whole thing never has been and never will be about them having healthcare. It’s about who’s going to pay for it. And it’s going to be paid for by the same 53% who are paying for everything else.

Boo hoo. You can always move. Oh wait…

“Breaking News: Conservatives planning to leave the U.S, but can’t find a wealthy western Country without Universal Healthcare”

josef

June 28th, 2012
5:29 pm

For the diabetics, here’s another one of what’s broken in the system. As you know brittle diabetics are under what amounts to a terror, There have been some great advances made with dogs, much like the seeing eye dogs, who detect the critical drops. Great, But the insurance companies won’t cover them.

Old Timer

June 28th, 2012
5:29 pm

The INSURANCE COMPANIES won this one…

In a sense, yes—but only because ACA requires the use of private insurers. It was impossible to get 60 Senate votes for single-payer. At the same time, I’ll never understand the people who oppose ACA because of that. Would they rather have a continuation of the old system? ACA was the best possible outcome at the time. Maybe one day this country will have a true single-payer system, once the bought-and-paid-for politicians die off. And it’s unfathomable to me that we live in a country in which it is prohibited for the government to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies. That, more than anything else, tells me something about the power of the insurance and drug companies.

Sean Hanitty

June 28th, 2012
5:30 pm

As we all read earlier, one of the bloggers couldn’t spike the ball so he took his ball and went home

so there

be good

Matti

June 28th, 2012
5:32 pm

josef

June 28th, 2012
5:32 pm

TROLL

Watch it with that Hillbilly swipe…

Soothsayer

June 28th, 2012
5:32 pm

“When HMOs are outlawed only outlaws will have HMOs.”

You know, HMO or straight, we all have to get along.

(With apologies to Jay Leno.)

Paul

June 28th, 2012
5:33 pm

killerj

“We have now taken the first step toward,s a socialistic government that now tell,s its citizen,s what they can and cannot do,tax my ass.”

Yeah, it must grate on you to not be able to leach any longer off the rest of people who actually buy their own insurance.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
5:34 pm

RB: Jay, if they have an income of $30k, they have an employer who will be fined for not providing their insurance. How much is the employers fine and how much of that do you believe will be passed on to their customers?

None, because they get tax CREDITS for providing it. And that is a much better deal than having fines for it.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
5:34 pm

Sorry Josef, no offense to the Appalachian/mountain dwelling folk meant…

Aquagirl

June 28th, 2012
5:35 pm

“Breaking News: Conservatives planning to leave the U.S, but can’t find a wealthy western Country without Universal Healthcare”

LOL—The Libertarian paradise of Somalia awaits. Funny how they’re not fleeing there to get away from the healthcare nanny state.

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
5:35 pm

<i.there’s brosephus and that broad brush of his again.

If and when I categorize ALL conservatives as such, you have a point. Saying that one doesn’t make the others look good is NOT saying that all act the same way. You should ask yourself why no self-respecting conservative calls that bullsh*t or any other stuff like that out themselves. If I were aligned with either party, I’ll be damned if I let somebody remotely represent what I supposedly stand for by looking like a jackass.

Also, if you ever read Ragnar’s posts, he’s the one I’m quoting with the “libs act with emotion” statement, although there are others who post the same thing. You don’t like it, deal with them. They’re your ideological bunkmates, not mine.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
5:36 pm

“It is a mark of the mindless antipathy to all things Obama that conservatives would claim to be appalled by such a tax, and would build their 2012 campaign around an effort to free the moochers from any obligation to contribute to their own care.”

As I have stated repeatedly, I am not opposed to the concept of a mandate (with allowance for people to sign a waiver and possibly post a bond) As Jay and others have pointed out more than once, this was originally a conservative (not liberal) idea. And for good reason – to eliminate freeloading. It remains an almost necessary component of health care reform.

What I am very bothered by is the ham-handed way this VERY critical piece of legislation was crafted and passed (with virtually NO Republican support) and the way it paves a path for the federal government to, at some point, take over health care. I, for one, am not at all convinced this is the way to go and I would have MUCH preferred an eclectic approach that insured that 1) health care costs would be greatly reduced by a number of means 2) insurance was available to, and affordable by, all 3) truly frivolous lawsuits would fail 4) competition between insurers would be maximized. People like me deserved to be heard but feel we shut out by the Obama administration and Democrats that basically passed the bill they, in their less-than-infinite wisdom, they thought was best. And THAT is one of the main reasons Obama is detested by a whole lot of people (and NOT because he is “black”). He pretended to hear from all sides, but in the end passed the bill he liked. That is not leadership but conmanship – I mean, what does it tell you that you pass one of the biggest bills in US history by the skin of its teeth? I think it tells you it was something forced upon the people rather than decided upon for their benefit.

Now, if you somehow imagine this monstrous piece of legislation is not going to have SERIOUS unintended consequences, you are perhaps a few cards short of a deck. Again, the mandate doesn’t bother me – stupid, unthinking government intrusion into life bothers me (I guess no one remembers how postal workers used to treat their customers as a rule before someone realized they were going to be extinct if they didn’t treat customers the way businesses do).

josef

June 28th, 2012
5:37 pm

OLD TIMER

In a sense? No parsing necessary…if you can’t afford it, then get a government subsidy and go buy it from an insurance company. We have wound up with a load of crap. If you can afford it, buy it from the private sector. If you can’t afford it, the government will subsidize you to buy it from the private sector and those who can afford it get to pay for it through their taxes for those who can’t afford it. The insurance companies get their shekels either way.

A half assed boondoggle it is…

TM

June 28th, 2012
5:37 pm

“In 2014, the penalty for someone with adjusted gross income of $30,000 who does not have insurance would be a maximum of $300 a year. Consider that a premium for the catastrophic insurance coverage they would get should they end up in an emergency room, or pregnant.” Jay do you really think that his/her heath insurance premium would be $300 or less? What is going to cause a person with limit means to get insurance as oppose to paying the tax? And do you think this “penalty” will pay for all the uninsured who make the same decision

martin the calvinist

June 28th, 2012
5:37 pm

Doggone, you miss the point, if someone else is paying my premium because i am financially incapable of doing it, then I’m getting the insurance for free……

Soothsayer

June 28th, 2012
5:38 pm

Republicans vote “Fast & Foolish”(ly) to hold Eric Holder in contempt of Congress.

Just goes to show you what will happen to you if you challenge the Republicans on voter rights.

josef

June 28th, 2012
5:39 pm

TROLL

No problem…being half Hillbilly I’m half tetchy on the subject :-)

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
5:39 pm

“Doggone, you miss the point, if someone else is paying my premium because i am financially incapable of doing it, then I’m getting the insurance for free”

But, once again beating a dead horse…you originally said free HEALTHCARE, not free insurance.

TGT

June 28th, 2012
5:40 pm

So how does Mitt Romney, the architect of RomneyCare, attack ObamaCare from this point forward?

Easy. He pulls a Bookman and talks about an “activist” and “partisan” court. He says that states have powers that the federal govt. does not–or should not. What was constitutional for Mass. was not–should not–have been for the U.S. federal govt. He says, thus, since the courts have failed us (again), the ONLY way to end this monstrosity is to elect him for president. And this argument will work for MANY GOP congressional candidates as well. For evidence of this, just as many Dems are running away from the Democratic Convention, watch how many Dems RUN from this ruling (or at least try to remain mum about it). In other words, remember 2010 libs?

As I noted months ago, the Dems could not win today. As I noted then, if Obamacare is upheld, conservatives will then turn to the electorate and say, “Again, the courts let us down!” From the decision day to Election Day the GOP will run ads declaring that the only way then to reverse the wildly unpopular bill will be to elect republicans.

From its birth (pardon the pun), the unpopularity of Obamacare has proven politically poisonous for the democrats. There is NO reason to think that Nov. 2012 will be any different.

Soothsayer

June 28th, 2012
5:40 pm

Jay: I can’t believe you don’t have a thread up on this Fast and Furious witch hunt vote in Congress.

martin the calvinist

June 28th, 2012
5:43 pm

Well, if I’m not paying for health insurance, aaren’t I getting free healthcare?

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
5:43 pm

<i. josef
A half assed boondoggle it
is…
……
and made worse by SCOTUS
political decision.

pogo

June 28th, 2012
5:44 pm

And Jay, who was it that appointed John Roberts again? Oh that’s right, George W. Bush. So you and all of your liberal drones here should be thanking Bush now since his appointee was the deciding vote on this issue. He was the only one that made an objective opinion. Those appointees of the Democrat Presidents all voted in lockstep with the liberal cause and you have nothing to say about that.That says a lot about the objectivity of the liberal judges, doesn’t it? Jay, you are nothing but a small time political hack who sways like a reed in the polictical wind who makes his living by stirring people and hate up. Yesterday you hated the SCOTUS and today you sing their praises by attacking Romney based upon the very same SCOTUS decision you were wailing about yesterday. You obviously have no shame at all. No wonder you are left writing a blog for an un-important and un-respected newspaper instead of doing something that matters. Your lot in life is to be a crap stirrer. You don’t contribute anything and you make your living off of stirring political hatred. You must be very proud of yourself.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
5:48 pm

“Those appointees of the Democrat Presidents all voted in lockstep with the liberal cause and you have nothing to say about that.That says a lot about the objectivity of the liberal judges, doesn’t it?”

As I said the other day, it is curious that some supposedly conservative appointees turned liberal but none (that I know of) the other way, whereas in society at large not a few prominent conservatives today started off as dyed-in-wool liberals (and vice versa). What is it about the SCOTUS that bucks national trends? Isolationism?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
5:49 pm

pogo melt-down.

Wont make it to Nov.

Postal pogo.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
5:49 pm

So you and all of your liberal drones here should be thanking Bush now since his appointee was the deciding vote on this issue

He Who Must Not Be Blamed, But Must Be Given Credit.

Fine. Yay for Bush. Good job. Also, Mitt Romney has a victory today, as his Romneycare was also upheld by proxy.

Feel better? ;)

Soothsayer

June 28th, 2012
5:49 pm

Here we have the Attorney General of the United States being treated like a cheap wh*re on Saturday night.

Whatever happened to due process? The Republican-controlled House can literally bring anyone up on contempt charges and take a quick vote and find them “guilty.”

Unbelievable.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
5:49 pm

So who here thinks health care insurance providers will keep their prices really high if everyone dumps their insurance and goes with the tax instead?

ty webb

June 28th, 2012
5:50 pm

“You should ask yourself why no self-respecting conservative calls that bullsh*t or any other stuff like that out themselves. If I were aligned with either party, I’ll be damned if I let somebody remotely represent what I supposedly stand for by looking like a jackass.”

or perhaps an individual’s jackassedness is just that, his or her’s alone…by the way, that was a good one about not being aligned with either party.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
5:51 pm

Look at the glass half full by helping Americans josef.

Positive thinking.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
5:52 pm

postal pogo cracked me up.

RB from Gwinnett

June 28th, 2012
5:52 pm

Adamoron, they get 35 or 50% of what they PAY for the first 2 years. If theyre telling you it’s cheaper to pay the $2k per employee fine than to provide the policy even after the tax break, how much do you think it’s going to increase their costs and who do you thInk is going to pay for it?

People who can’t think any deeper than you being involved in policy discussions is a problem. Go work on that 6 month old research or something else useful.

Jay

June 28th, 2012
5:53 pm

I love you too, Pogo. :>) OXOXOX

More seriously, I think Chief Justice Roberts saw and responded to the same dangers that I had warned against. He understood that a 5-4 ideologically split decision overturning a major governmental program would seriously compromise the court’s credibility as an institution above the partisan fray. He recognized that this is an issue that ought to be settled not in a courtroom but in the political arena, and he found a way to make that happen.

Even if ObamaCare is later wiped from the books by a future Congress, I think Roberts’ effort will be remembered as a great act of statesmanship and wisdom that preserved public faith in the courts.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
5:54 pm

I guess the final ruling is now up to the voting public (as it should have been from the get go on such a critical bill). I don’t fault the SCOTUS for their ruling (for a mandate in and of itself, with very strict limits, it not objectionable in this case); I fault the Democrats for forcing a highly questionable means of healthcare “reform” down the throat of at least half the people (much more if the polls are to be believed).

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
5:56 pm

“Well, if I’m not paying for health insurance, aaren’t I getting free healthcare”

Did you actually read my post about my “free” healthcare that costs me $60 a month?

getalife

June 28th, 2012
5:56 pm

After billionaires united, the chief justice tried saving face .

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
5:56 pm

I fault the Democrats for forcing a highly questionable means of healthcare “reform” down the throat…

I have found that those who complain the most about having something forced down their throats are the same one’s who will swallow anything.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
5:59 pm

“More seriously, I think Chief Justice Roberts saw and responded to the same dangers that I had warned against. He understood that a 5-4 ideologically split decision overturning a major governmental program would seriously compromise the court’s credibility as an institution above the partisan fray. He recognized that this is an issue that ought to be settled not in a courtroom but in the political arena, and he found a way to make that happen.”

Huh? If Roberts was aiming to save the court’s credibility, then perhaps he shouldn’t be sitting on the court. I mean, isn’t that kind of what southern judges did in the 20th century? A SCOTUS decision should be apolitical, as even you yourself was crying yesterday.

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 28th, 2012
5:59 pm

True that, Kam.

josef

June 28th, 2012
6:00 pm

getalife

It’s half assed, not half full…and there’s still some 25 million without coverage…this is so much horse hockey…either you know what or get off the pot…

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
6:01 pm

“I have found that those who complain the most about having something forced down their throats are the same one’s who will swallow anything.”

Have you something intelligent to say besides a crude and stupid remark you have made more than once? Is that all you got?

Don't Forget

June 28th, 2012
6:02 pm

I fault the Democrats for forcing a highly questionable means of healthcare “reform” down the throat of at least half the people (much more if the polls are to be believed).

Yeah, well I fault the Republicans for trying to turn an issue of great importance to the well being of the American people into a “Waterloo” for a president. Defeating Obama is the ONLY thing they’ve been concerned about for over 3 years.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
6:03 pm

“I have found that those who complain the most about having something forced down their throats are the same one’s who will swallow anything.”

Great stuff as usual Kam.

pogo

June 28th, 2012
6:03 pm

Besides Jay, it is now most officially, most concurrently, a TAX on the middle class. It is going to be interesting in 2014 when this monster really grows up to see how all of those that supported it see what it will mean to them. Especially the old retirees, which seem to be the majority of your readers and contributors. And all of the waivers that Obama gave to the unions and big business that will expire after he is gone from office (IF he wins re-election) will expire in the coming years. Of course Obama will be relaxing somewhere living large when that happens and he won’t give a crap what the consequences of his actions were to our nation. He and Pelosi and Reid will get all the medical treatment they want while the people of this nation will be scrambling and waiting to even see a general practioner.

Aquagirl

June 28th, 2012
6:04 pm

I fault the Democrats for forcing a highly questionable means of healthcare “reform” down the throat of at least half the people

Oh boo-hoo. Kyle Wingfield posted a 27 page “rebuttal” to people who said the Republicans offered no plan….it’s a slew of fetal personhood, repeal Obamacare, kill the lawyers, blah, blah blah. Unless you have a workable PLAN, shaddup and let the grownups work. It’s hard enough to get things done without a bunch of whining no,no,no dimwits moaning and complaining.

As every parent of teenagers knows…if you’re not willing to cook, you can eat what’s on your damn plate or starve. So choke down that broccoli, cons. Every damn bite of it.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
6:04 pm

“Yeah, well I fault the Republicans for trying to turn an issue of great importance to the well being of the American people into a “Waterloo” for a president.”

I guess November will determine if it is a Waterloo or not.

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
6:05 pm

“Even if ObamaCare is later wiped from the books by a future Congress, I think Roberts’ effort will be remembered as a great act of statesmanship and wisdom that preserved public faith in the courts.”

Depends on how this thing pans out Jay.

Michael

June 28th, 2012
6:05 pm

Pogo, Stirring the political hatred pot is Neal Boortz’ job. I don’t think Jay can match Neal’s 4.5 hours per day effort. If he tries to stir in a counter clockwise direction to counter Neal’s effort, he’ll break his stirring paddle.

pogo

June 28th, 2012
6:05 pm

getalife, you are the one that only lives for a blog. That makes you way beyond postal.That makes you, well, twisted. Get a real life man.

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
6:06 pm

I don’t understand.

Adam
June 28th, 2012
4:10 pm
The Obama administration argued the mandate wasn’t a tax

It still isn’t. You misunderstand. The MANDATE isn’t a tax because the MANDATE is to buy insurance or to have a penalty applied. That penalty is one that you actually have no legal obligation to pay.

How does ^^^^^^^^^^^^this jibe with vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv that?

Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
4:07 pm
Not exactly. The penalty paid by those who choose not to het insurance is udsed to offset the cost of treatment should one need it. Unlike now where it’s a 100% free ride for anyone who walks in the door.

If I read it correctly, one is saying the fee/tax/penalty/whatever will be used to offset the cost of treatment for those who couldn’t/wouldn’t pay BEFORE the PPACA decision.

The other is saying that the fee/tax/penalty/whatever to be used to offset the cost of treatment for those who can’t/won’t pay AFTER the PPACA decision, but there is NO way to collect.

Am I missing something?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
6:06 pm

Have you something intelligent to say besides a crude and stupid remark you have made more than once? Is that all you got?

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
6:06 pm

josef.

Any bill that helps Americans out of this congress is a miracle.

I tend to focus on that fact

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
6:06 pm

“Unless you have a workable PLAN, shaddup and let the grownups work. It’s hard enough to get things done without a bunch of whining no,no,no dimwits moaning and complaining.”

And then “grownups” would be who – you (with all of your childish batter)? Smarten up and try on a less childish moniker than that taken from a superhero (maybe your posts will improve).

You dont say

June 28th, 2012
6:08 pm

POGO

Obama isn’t going anywhere until Jan 2017, so for better or worse he will be around to see if he fd up or not

getalife

June 28th, 2012
6:08 pm

pogo,

Got a pretty good life.

Thanks for caring :)

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
6:09 pm

That Black Guy – been trying to touch base with you for days about your question on the dogs. Are you still considering getting the Cane Corso?

Adam

June 28th, 2012
6:10 pm

RB: People who can’t think any deeper than you being involved in policy discussions is a problem. Go work on that 6 month old research or something else useful.

You may have noticed I don’t answer to you.

What you don’t understand is that it’s basically a wash. The only reason to go for the penalties is if the only plans available to the employees cost more, minus the tax credits, than the penalties. You are making an absolute fatal error in logic to assume that is ALWAYS going to be the case. In fact, your only objection to this is emotional. You proved that by striking out at me as you did, as you probably reflexively do to anyone and anything that pisses you off, including your employees. But being that much of an ass, I am sure that you STILL don’t realize that YOU are the reason employees keep leaving your business. Still, that’s not surprising. Your ego simply will not allow that to penetrate. But if you ever got it through your head, you’d start retaining employees.

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
6:11 pm

getalife
willardcare is constitutional.
willard is winning. you must
work harder.

sheepdawg

June 28th, 2012
6:11 pm

romney is a mouthpiece for the crumbling club of rich old white men, satisfying to watch their lasts gasps

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
6:12 pm

Towncrier melt-down.

Should’ve bought Inbev stocks today

Adam

June 28th, 2012
6:13 pm

TBG: There isn’t “no way to collect,” it’s just that you can fail to pay it and there is no penalty for doing so. I am sure lots of mechanisms will make that an obstacle, perhaps withholding and so on that people regularly do. In a way, it will actually be an EFFORT to avoid paying the fee if you don’t have insurance, but you don’t get gone after for not paying it. The presumption I am sure is that most people will pay it not knowing how to avoid doing so even if they know they can, and that will help offset costs.

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
6:13 pm

Old Timer @ 5:29

Maybe one day this country will have a true single-payer system, once the bought-and-paid-for politicians die off.

Are you the same Old Timer that posted this over on Kyle’s blog???

Old Timer
June 28th, 2012
5:18 pm

Anyone want to make book on how many of Pelosi and Ree’s diciples get voted out this time? Even if Obama gets rel-elected they can keep his hands tied from more distruction of this country. As mention before I have lived through 13 Presidents and Obama is the worst–he makes Jimmy Carter look good-if his methods continue I feel sorry for the future of this country and our kids and grandkids. It won’t work–that is one of the reasons he is pushing Articel 21 of the National Nations. You folks that love Obama will eventually get your due and wonder why it is too late. Putting a degree in socialology, government or accounting won’t float in the coming enviroment. A degree in common sense might help some.

If you are one and the same, I wonder how bad the fights are that are going on inside your head. Those two posts sound about as far apart as comparing strawberries to lemons…

getalife

June 28th, 2012
6:13 pm

frog,

ACA is the new heath care bill,

The law of the land.

President Obama won this one.

josef

June 28th, 2012
6:15 pm

Okay. I polish dog t*rds. The Dog T*rd Polishers Cartel sets the price at $3.00. Now the government decides that everybody should have a dog t*rd once a month and if they can’t afford the price, then they can get a subsidy. You honestly think the Dog T*rd Polishers Cartel is going to keep the price at $3.00, much less lower it? The price of dog t*rds is about to soar and a good portion of the “buyers” are going to be paying twice.

sheepdawg

June 28th, 2012
6:15 pm

who peed in pogo’s punch?

Adam

June 28th, 2012
6:16 pm

Plus, the benefit that an employer gets for NOT being one of the only ones to not provide healthcare just because they’re a pissed off Obama hater, far outweighs the loss that would happen from them being, well, a pissed off Obama hater. Most people looking for work aren’t going to want to work for someone with that much obvious hate. Now, maybe it’ll be the only job they can get at first, but employers like that have high turnover.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
6:17 pm

You can safely delete my “awaiting moderation” comment Jay. And apologies for its content.

Thomas Heyward Jr.

June 28th, 2012
6:17 pm

From mittromney.com———————

“As president, Mitt will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts…[Roberts] hold[s] dear what the great Chief Justice John Marshall called “the basis on which the whole American fabric has been erected”: a written Constitution, with real and determinate meaning. The judges that Mitt nominates will exhibit a genuine appreciation for the text, structure, and history of our Constitution and interpret the Constitution and the laws as they are written. And his nominees will possess a demonstrated record of adherence to these core principles.”
.
ha ha ha ha ha
Stupid statists.

Aquagirl

June 28th, 2012
6:18 pm

Should’ve bought Inbev stocks today

Stay away from the pharmacies, I’d hate to be trapped between a con and his Xanex today.

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
6:18 pm

getalife
yes. our president got
willardcare enacted.
willard may flip and
reclaim it for the states.

Jay

June 28th, 2012
6:19 pm

You’ve got to love that “crammed down our throats” meme.

You’ve got a president and a party who campaigned on health care reform, who won majorities in both the House and Senate in part on the promise of enacting such reform, and who, after months of debate, passed the bill with a majority in the House and an overwhelming 60-39 vote in the Senate.

If that’s “cramming a bill down our throats,” then every piece of legislation to pass Congress in the past 223 years has been “crammed down our throats.”

F. Sinkwich

June 28th, 2012
6:20 pm

Scoreboard:

Big gov, higher taxes, wrecked economy — 1
Freedom and liberty — 0

At least the Commerce Clause survived. Somehow.

I look forward to O’bozo campaigning on Obamacare. This decision doesn’t make it more popular.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
6:21 pm

They take Xanex mixed with Ambien over at fox news.

I heard one reporter spill the beans.

martin the calvinist

June 28th, 2012
6:22 pm

Doggone, I get you are sharing in the cost for your health care, I’m saying if someone else is paying for mine and I don’t contribute a penny, aren’t I getting health care for free, doesn’t matter if it is the gov’t or a good samaritan, if some one else is paying, I’m getting the product/service for free. And if my understanding of this legislation is correct, If I fall below a certain income level, the gov’t steps up and pays for my health insurance, I call that getting it for free, at least free to me…..and supposedly, gov’t gets it’s income from tax payers, which I don’t pay a lot btw….. or they just print it up and devalue the currency

pogo

June 28th, 2012
6:24 pm

So Jay, you are you admitting that Bush made the right decision on his Supreme Court appointment? Oh my god!! The magnetic poles have just been inverted (Or more plausibly, Jay has just bent again in the political wind again as members of the political press are apt to do). If this is what you are saying, your liberal sycophants will explode Jay. Be careful! But if Roberts would have ruled the other way you most certainly would have castigated him as a partisan hack, wouldn’t you? I mean you were doing it just yesterday weren’t you? And so were the NYT’s and the WP.

Now Obama has been deprived of having the old ” republican activist” Supreme Court thing to defend his huge TAX on the middle class in this campaign, hasn’t he? It is going to be interesting to see how this plays out. I hope to see what the old spoiled retirees are going to say when this thing blooms in all its glory and they find out that they can no longer do what they want to do medically. That may be be a good thing as they have spent this country into oblivion with their countless doctors visits.

Michael, having never heard Neil Boortz anybody else on talk radio I wouldn’t know. I don’t listen to radio talk show hosts of any ilk. Never have and never will. I prefer the press. Rush like Jay has become rich stirring political hatred (}:>}) (that’s a joke Jay, or is it?).

Midori

June 28th, 2012
6:24 pm

aw.

Poor Sink.

Drowning in his own ilk.

:lol:

martin the calvinist

June 28th, 2012
6:24 pm

Jay, I didn’t vote for a representative, a senator, or a President that voted to inact this legislation. So in a way, it was crammed down my throat…so to speak….

TGT

June 28th, 2012
6:24 pm

Conservatives won a substantial victory Thursday. The physics of American politics — actions provoking reactions — continues to move the crucial debate, about the nature of the American regime, toward conservatism. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. has served this cause.

The health-care legislation’s expansion of the federal government’s purview has improved our civic health by rekindling interest in what this expansion threatens — the Framers’ design for limited government. Conservatives distraught about the survival of the individual mandate are missing the considerable consolation prize they won when the Supreme Court rejected a constitutional rationale for the mandate — Congress’s rationale — that was pregnant with rampant statism.

The case challenged the court to fashion a judicially administrable principle that limits Congress’s power to act on the mere pretense of regulating interstate commerce. At least Roberts got the court to embrace emphatic language rejecting the Commerce Clause rationale for penalizing the inactivity of not buying insurance…

By persuading the court to reject a Commerce Clause rationale for a president’s signature act, the conservative legal insurgency against Obamacare has won a huge victory for the long haul. This victory will help revive a venerable tradition of America’s political culture, that of viewing congressional actions with a skeptical constitutional squint, searching for congruence with the Constitution’s architecture of enumerated powers. By rejecting the Commerce Clause rationale, Thursday’s decision reaffirmed the Constitution’s foundational premise: Enumerated powers are necessarily limited because, as Chief Justice John Marshall said, “the enumeration presupposes something not enumerated.”

When Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), asked where the Constitution authorized the mandate, exclaimed, “Are you serious? Are you serious?,” she was utterly ingenuous. People steeped in Congress’s culture of unbridled power find it incomprehensible that the Framers fashioned the Constitution as a bridle. Now, Thursday’s episode in the continuing debate about the mandate will reverberate to conservatism’s advantage.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
6:24 pm

frog,

I doubt willard can answer questions about his positions .

He has three or four per issue.

Not ready for prime time like rush said.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
6:25 pm

After billionaires united, the chief justice tried saving face .

getalife, I love that.

And as such will now refer to it as Willard’s Every Millionaire Billionaire Counts tour.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
6:25 pm

Hmmm very interesting. Looks like my small study is affirming the same things (so far) as this paper on how to control employee turnover: http://www.amyhissom.com/MyWritings/Understanding%20and%20Controlling%20Employee%20Turnover.pdf

RB, you might find that link interesting.

Ah who am I kidding. You wouldn’t believe the truth if Jesus himself came down and told you. You’ll either not read it or make excuses as to why statements such as the below CANNOT POSSIBLY be true:

“[T]he real causes of turnover seem to be linked to problems within the organization and not really attributable to attitudes carried by the influx of new employees. The unwillingness on the part of employers to look inward has served both to perpetuate and accelerate the turnover problem”

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
6:26 pm

“Especially the old retirees, which seem to be the majority of your readers and contributors.”

We’ve asked again and again for the angry wingnuts to go elsewhere, but they won’t…

getalife

June 28th, 2012
6:26 pm

Where did my ilk go?

Old Timer

June 28th, 2012
6:27 pm

Are you the same Old Timer that posted this over on Kyle’s blog???

Nope. But then, Wingfield’s blog is chock full of name-jackers, rejects from this blog, and serial malcontents unhappy with anything that’s happened since 1850.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
6:27 pm

Thanks be to the creator above W gave up on putting his cleaning lady up there as CJ of the SCOTUS…

getalife

June 28th, 2012
6:28 pm

Jam,

willard will win the billionaire vote.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 28th, 2012
6:28 pm

Let’s tax fatties

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
6:29 pm

We’ve asked again and again for the angry wingnuts to go elsewhere, but they won’t…

Towncrier took his bat and ball to go next door at Kyle’s to do his bawling.

I guess he’s just looking for a sympathetic audience.

Jay

June 28th, 2012
6:29 pm

Pogo, one of the frustrating things about your posts is that you cram about 20 foolish statements into one paragraph, making it all but impossible to jump in and rebut them. The experience is like a predator being confronted by a school of fish or a herd of zebra — you don’t know which one to go after.

But since you’ve repeated this one — “I hope to see what the old spoiled retirees are going to say when this thing blooms in all its glory and they find out that they can no longer do what they want to do medically” — let’s pull it out of the herd and kill it.

Nothing in ObamaCare dictates the doctors that senior citizens on Medicare can see, what treatments they can receive, etc.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 28th, 2012
6:29 pm

Let’s tax people who can’t read

pogo

June 28th, 2012
6:30 pm

Nobody that I know if sheep. I don’t take politics that seriously. I maintain that we are ALL being screwed by ALL of them and they will live like kings as are left to scrabble around looking for scraps. And increasingly there is little we can do about it. There are no winners in any of this. NONE.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 28th, 2012
6:30 pm

Let’s tax people who live in condos

Jay

June 28th, 2012
6:31 pm

Alright folks, off to dinner. I’ll try to check in later, but please contain the vitriol and personal attacks. With rare exceptions, you’ve all done a good job on that today and I appreciate it.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 28th, 2012
6:32 pm

Let’s tax social workers

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
6:32 pm

“I’m saying if someone else is paying for mine and I don’t contribute a penny, aren’t I getting health care for free”

short answer: No

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
6:32 pm

Let’s tax whiny bloomberg trolls.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
6:33 pm

To all the wingnuts crowing about how this results in a defeat for Obama, this all I see here and anywhere I go today is the same tired whining and crying from the same folks who never would’ve voted for Obama to begin with. You’ve probably not gained one single solitary vote as a result of this decision, on the other hand you’ve lost quite a few from your unhinged ranting and crying like the little babies you are (remember how Newt’s govt shutdown tantrum worked out for ya?) and possibly quite a few from aneurysms, heart failure, and from hitting their heads from missing the swooning couch as they fell…

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 28th, 2012
6:33 pm

So, which side of Mt Rushmore do we chisel Judge Robert’s face into?

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 28th, 2012
6:33 pm

Important one

Tax homeless people

independent thinker

June 28th, 2012
6:34 pm

Wait until the hundred of millions in excess insurance profits start getting rebated due to Oamacare. You think anyone will care if the mandate is a tax or a penalty?
And where does the funding for free Medicare drugs with no concessions by big Pharma come from?
general taxes but oh I forgot the Republicans never increase taxes out of fear of the Norquist monster and the Koch brothers- let them be forced to eat broccoli for breakfast and lets figure out how to make it constitutional.

Soothsayer

June 28th, 2012
6:34 pm

Judging by the response from the Fright-Wing here today, I can’t wait until Dumbney loses in November. Heads is gonna explode!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 28th, 2012
6:35 pm

Rand Paul on the decision: Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional….

The stoooooopid runs deep with the conned today.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
6:35 pm

” There are no winners in any of this. NONE.”

Well then, thank goodness Citizens United was such a winner for us all…

ragnar danneskjold

June 28th, 2012
6:35 pm

Dear Jay, you err. The Supreme Court upheld Romney’s argument, that the Congress lacks the power to mandate purchase of a private product. The Supreme Court also implied that the President lied when he affirmed that ObamaCare was not a tax.

I’d say the battle lines are clearly drawn for November. Mr. Romney pledges to repeal ObamaCare, due to its damaging effect on the economy; Mr. Obama pledges to lead the fight for gay marriage.

martin the calvinist

June 28th, 2012
6:35 pm

doggone, please give me an explanation on why, basic logic (at least my logic) tells me, if I’m not paying for a product or a service but someone else is doing it for me and I don’t have to repay them, I’m getting it free…..

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 28th, 2012
6:37 pm

Tax newspapers

ragnar danneskjold

June 28th, 2012
6:37 pm

54% of the population favors repeal of ObamaCare and/or the mandatory tax. How many of those will vote for the President?

Old Timer

June 28th, 2012
6:38 pm

Rand Paul on the decision: Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional….

The stoooooopid runs deep with the conned today.

Naw. That’s just knuckle-dragging blue-grass Kentuckian talk.

lynnie gal

June 28th, 2012
6:38 pm

All the yelling the tea party did about the constitution being violated and wearing those little colonial hats didn’t work. Healthcare is going to be available to everyone, not just for the rich, and those small hearted little numbskulls won’t be able to stop the law from forbidding insurance companies to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions, forbid healthcare creditors (predators) from putting folks into bankruptcy and taking their homes and property because they got sick and thought they had enough coverage. I know that just galls those elderly tea partiers that the middle class and poor who can’t yet qualify for medicare or medicaid can now afford healthcare.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 28th, 2012
6:38 pm

Them “Obama lied” posters are so outraged, they will vote for the liar Romney. :lol: So much for that poutrage.

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
6:39 pm

“doggone, please give me an explanation on why, basic logic (at least my logic) tells me, if I’m not paying for a product or a service but someone else is doing it for me and I don’t have to repay them, I’m getting it free”

If you buy anything, you are helping to pay the wages of the workers. Those workers will be contributing to healthcare insurance, and – indirectly – so will you. If you have to pay a co-pay, it’s not free. If you have to have medication not covered by your policy and you buy it, it’s not free. If you have a deductible, it’s not free.

Nothing in life is free.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
6:39 pm

ragnar: The Supreme Court also implied that the President lied when he affirmed that ObamaCare was not a tax.

1) Not what he said and 2) They did no such thing. Their ruling was based on briefs about the penalty being a tax. By the way, the MANDATE isn’t the tax, the penalty is the tax. You can CHOOSE one or the other. And actually, you can even choose not to pay the “tax.”

fair and balanced

June 28th, 2012
6:39 pm

Best health care system in the world- World Health Organization made it no. 35 due to inefficiency, waste, excess profits and lack of universal coverage. Keep drinking the kool-aide

pogo

June 28th, 2012
6:39 pm

Foolish statements Jay? I suppose that is all in the eye of the beholder! You consider anything that conflicts with YOUR liberal political view of what is right as being foolish therefore your indictment is worthless. I have never seen you even once say that a liberal contributors comments were foolish. Never. And what does that say about your objectivity? It says that you are totally biased.

As for screening, read the bill again Jay. The MRB will tell you whether you will get healthcare or not. It may be a private insurance agency that you are going through but they will be adhering to the rules set before them by the government. The privates are bad enough now but they have just been given carte blanche to do whatever they want by Obama’s bill. And they will make record profits from it.

Tundra Dude

June 28th, 2012
6:40 pm

Meghan Kelly: ““the Supreme Court just woke up a sleeping giant.”

“The Supreme Court just woke up a sleeping giant,” declared Arizona House Republican Dave Schweikert.

Twitter going crazy with “sleeping giant”.

———————————————————

Asleep…or brain dead….
A few conservative intellectuals have known/suspected something wasn’t quite right at least 4 years ago.
Richard A Posner has been a long time federal judge – in fact the first judge appointed to the bench by Saint Ronnie in 1981.

GOP Icon Declares Party “Brain Dead”

My theme is the intellectual decline of conservatism, and it is notable that the policies of the new conservatism are powered largely by emotion and religion and have for the most part weak intellectual groundings. That the policies are weak in conception, have largely failed in execution, and are political flops is therefore unsurprising.
(snipped)
By the fall of 2008, the face of the Republican Party had become Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber. Conservative intellectuals had no party.

http://bit.ly/MtouwL

Joe Biden

June 28th, 2012
6:41 pm

Today’s decision is a big f-ing deal!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 28th, 2012
6:44 pm

Reporter Stripped, Sexually Assaulted. CNN.com

Well, it’s a start.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
6:45 pm

Our President watched fox and cnn report the mandate failed.

Then his adviser walks in to tell him the truth.

He could use a cigarette after that.

George W.

June 28th, 2012
6:45 pm

If Obama really wants to get reelected give everyone free drugs like I did with Medicare (you know that gets the old geezers to turn out the vote) and give everyone free emergency room care like Reagan did.
Throw in unlimited services for the handicapped regardless of cost like my father did and you will even get the liberal commies to vote for you. Quit this individual responsibility BS and that pay your fair share nonsense. That won’t buy you votes. This is America.

martin the calvinist

June 28th, 2012
6:46 pm

Nothing in life is free, ha, I got you there! God’s grace is free

all religious talk aside, I see what you are trying to say, I’m just arguing if I never (hope that doesn’t happen) start making significantly more than I do then I either get subsidies and or I am placed in Medicaid and I don’t pay very much if anything at all for health insurance….I don’t believe you pay co-pays on medicaid, or anything in perscription meds either…. some one else is paying it.

I truly believe there isn’t enough wealth in this country to sustain “Obamacare.” I also see it as a wealth redistribution scheme. I believe Senator Max Baucus said this bill is the largest wealth redistribution mechanism ever passed by Congress…..

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 28th, 2012
6:47 pm

Well, it’s not much by comparison but along with the Holder contempt vote this is one small victory:

HEADLINE: (CBS/AP) TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – “A federal judge has refused to stop Florida from removing potentially non-U.S. citizens from its voter rolls.

The U.S. Department of Justice sued the state to halt the purge, arguing it was going on too close to a federal election.

U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle said Wednesday that there was nothing in federal voting laws that prevent the state from identifying non-U.S. citizens even if it comes less than 90 days before the Aug. 14 election.

Hinkle ruled that federal laws are designed to block states from removing eligible voters close to an election. He said they are not designed to stop states from blocking voters who should have never been allowed to cast ballots in the first place.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57462408/federal-judge-refuses-to-stop-florida-voter-purge/?tag=stack

P.S. Libs. I believe this judge is a Clinton appointee.

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
6:48 pm

“God’s grace is free”

but it can be withheld if you’re not worthy of it. Being worthy is a form of pay.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
6:48 pm

There are free apps on the iphone.

My favorite is Pandora.

TGT

June 28th, 2012
6:49 pm

Rightwing: You do remember the 2009 VA, NJ gubernatorial victories, the 2010 Scott Brown victory, and the 2010 midterm smack-down (that significantly extended into the state races), right? The energy on the conservative side that led to these victories was due in large part to the unpopularity of Obamacare. Again, as I noted above, there is no reason to think 2012 will be any different. Obamacare continues to be unpopular and, as Obama himself continues his personal unpopularity slide, he now does not have the Supreme Court to run against. Enjoy your Obamacare while you can libs.

josef

June 28th, 2012
6:49 pm

BROSEPHUS
Our old friends at we’re-so-sorry Aetna ought to really be bringing in the shekels now…shoot, best year since 1865… betcha Bartolini’s eyeballs are ching-chinging :-)

“NEW YORK (Dow Jones)–The value of Aetna Inc. (AET) Chairman and Chief Executive Mark T. Bertolini’s total compensation rose 20% to $10.6 million last year largely because of greater stock awards, as well as more perks.
Bertolini’s stock awards, his most valuable form of compensation, increased 25% to $7.3 million, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. His salary and cash bonus also increased, up 6.7% to $1 million and up 5.5% to $2 million, respectively.”

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
6:50 pm

Jm
you better hope they don’t
tax the youseless.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
6:51 pm

Well, it’s not much by comparison but along with the Holder contempt vote this is one small victory:

One VERY small victory. It doesn’t even get 15 minutes of fame. You played your hand, and the game is over. You had a nice hand, but Obama’s was better. Oh well.

PJ

June 28th, 2012
6:51 pm

I often think of young people, especially young adults, when I think of health care. You can have a healthy young adult with nothing but a good life ahead of them that through an accident could they not only become extremely ill but could also put a financial strain on themselves and their families. The young lady who fell from the cord while hang gliding is a perfect example. I don’t know if she had insurance or if her parents had her covered but I know by now that even if she did it must be close to the breaking point if not already broken. No family should be bankrupt by an accident. No family should have to wonder if they will lose their home or have beg for help. We should all want to see this family and others like them to able to worry only about her recovery and not how they are going to pay the bill. Only as a large pool will we as a nation see to it that all families can sleep at night knowing that a castratrophy will not break their will. I have three young adult children of my own and I would move Heaven and Earth for their well being and I feel that way about all of America’s youth.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
6:52 pm

Again, as I noted above, there is no reason to think 2012 will be any different.

Actually there is every reason to believe that a Presidential election turns out more people to vote, and that the enthusiasm gap of the 2010 elections on the left no longer exists. The conservatives, however, still have the same amount of poutrage or less, and have gained a negligible amount of independents, if any at all. There’s also that pesky thing called a “record” for the Republicans who won in 2010.

martin the calvinist

June 28th, 2012
6:52 pm

There are none righteous, no not one, there is no one worthy of God’s grace, but He gives it those who will receive His grace…….Grace is absolutely free! Salvation is by grace alone and not of works lest anyone should boast…….

F. Sinkwich

June 28th, 2012
6:53 pm

O’bozo will probably play an extra round of golf celebrating his victory over freedom.

Roberts is correct in saying that we deserve the politicians (and their policies) we elect. Lib ilks everywhere are doing cartwheels over this legitimized expansion of government control over our lives. This indeed is a sad day for America.

But Americans have overcome wars on freedom and liberty many times. They will again. That’s why I am so optimistic about our future.

Remember, the tea party lives. They are patriots. They vote. This violation will not stand.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
6:53 pm

Sink

Bet the guy at the gas station and yourself will be pondering for years..

Let me know how that goes

DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming

June 28th, 2012
6:53 pm

Normal: Geez, y’all are such sore losers… give it a rest….Man, what whiny baby’s…

Normal – I kinda figured that out when they went bat sh##t crazy when Clinton was elected. They wasted MILLIONS trying to get him on white water at the same time calling themselves FISCAL conservatives.

Republican War Cry — “Nothing Is Getting Done Unless WE Win!!!”

or, in other words….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeGhCwt4tBE&feature=related

stavros333

June 28th, 2012
6:54 pm

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
6:55 pm

“He gives it those who will receive His grace”

And accepting it is a form of pay. You don’t want it, you don’t have to pay for it by accepting it.

pogo

June 28th, 2012
6:56 pm

“Civilized people don’t cry about paying taxes”

Oh yes you can if you are one of the few left having to pay them.The only ones who embrace tax increases are the ones that don’t have to pay them. Especially seeing how our government throws away hard earned citizens money.

And Jay, as to your bias, you had a blogger today say something to the effect that “why hasn’t the republican controlled congress enacted Obama’s jobs bill?). Why didn’t you tell that person that it is not a “republican controlled congress?”. Last I heard the Dem’s controlled the senate.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
7:00 pm

This indeed is a sad day for America.

Oh go cry in the corner with your Reagan doll

Midori

June 28th, 2012
7:00 pm

that just goes to show you’re not civilized Pogo.

but then, most of us already knew that.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 28th, 2012
7:00 pm

Pogo continues in his absurd statements…….. You do realize that if the Republican controlled house passed Obama’s job bill, the Dem controlled Senate would pass the bill (unless obstructed by the Senate Republicans) and Obama would sign it into law.

So why has the Republican controlled house not passed Obama’s job bill? Oh right, because they don’t care about jobs and the objective is to have this country fail.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
7:01 pm

Last I heard the Dem’s controlled the senate.

Last I heard, that filibuster thingie was hanging over their head so nothing could get done.

Last I heard, I would be in the starting line-up for Spain in the Euro 2012 finals on Sunday.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 28th, 2012
7:01 pm

America is headed down a dark road

Subpar growth from here on

Forget lost decade

Think lost decades

Adam

June 28th, 2012
7:03 pm

pogo: The only ones who embrace tax increases are the ones that don’t have to pay them.

I and several others are on record as supporting the Bush Tax cuts expiring for everyone. So nice try, but no. Civilized people do indeed not whine about paying taxes. What they have objections to, sometimes legitimately and sometimes not, is how the money is spent and what laws are made. And that is what elections are for. And this next one will reaffirm that Obama is a better choice right now for this nation. It may decide to put more Republicans in Congress, it may not. But Romney can’t run successfully on just being not Obama.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
7:03 pm

Pogo

Josef and Bro have already mentioned it. Invest in insurance companies, it will be a wind fall and will more then negate any taxes you incur.

Enjoy the money

Adam

June 28th, 2012
7:04 pm

They BOTH suck: :D

Sandra

June 28th, 2012
7:05 pm

@Tommy Maddox,
That ’sleeping giant’ is a bunch of people who would let the person next to them die but go nuts if they themselves weren’t saved regardless of whether they have insurance or not.
@Jay, in your first post I just want to say AMEN!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
7:06 pm

Think lost decades

A lost generation.

Beginning in 1980 with the implementation of supply-side, laissez-faire, trickle-on, phlogiston Economics 101.

F. Sinkwich

June 28th, 2012
7:06 pm

I invite any lib ilks around here to make the case that this ruling will be a boost to our economy.

You won’t, because it’s a drag on it.

People might like to have healthcare, but they want jobs first.

Any hope that O’bozo had about an uptick in the economy was doomed with this ruling.

Pyrrhic victory, anyone?

Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!

June 28th, 2012
7:08 pm

TGT

June 28th, 2012
7:08 pm

the enthusiasm gap of the 2010 elections on the left no longer exists

You mean like what was on display in Wisconsin?

The conservatives…have gained a negligible amount of independents, if any at all.

So all those independents, that voted with conservatives in 2009/2010, are suddenly going to abandon them in 2012 with the arguments being essentially the same? Riiiight.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
7:09 pm

I invite any lib ilks around here to make the case that this ruling will be a boost to our economy.

Insurance companies will be hiring more people, and health care providers will also. Plus, premiums are going to have to approach the penalty amount or else people will dump their insurance in droves. So premiums will be lower over time. Take a look at how Romneycare worked.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
7:11 pm

TGT: You mean like what was on display in Wisconsin?

Yes, the liberals that voted to keep Scott Walker because they don’t like recalls, but still vote for Obama because they like Obama. Also that had a RECORD turnout. Hardly an enthusiasm gap there.

So all those independents, that voted with conservatives in 2009/2010,

All those independents? Don’t suppose you have numbers of independents voting in 2008 versus 2010 do you?

DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming

June 28th, 2012
7:12 pm

Redneck @ 6:44 – read below, that’s why i try to NEVER be in a room or anywhere where I’m the only female. Men start off o.k. then they start acting like animals.

The atmosphere was overwhelmingly festive, with jubilant Egyptians smiling, waving and cheering…………………………………..
But the mood soon darkened as a large group of men began groping her. She was violently separated from her male colleague……………………………………………………
“Men began to rip off my clothes,” she wrote. “I was stripped naked… These men, hundreds of them, had turned from humans to animals.”

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/327574#ixzz1z8GnMpNP

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
7:13 pm

But then, Wingfield’s blog is chock full of name-jackers, rejects from this blog, and serial malcontents unhappy with anything that’s happened since 1850.

True.

And hysterical…

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:13 pm

“You’ve got a president and a party who campaigned on health care reform, who won majorities in both the House and Senate in part on the promise of enacting such reform, and who, after months of debate, passed the bill with a majority in the House and an overwhelming 60-39 vote in the Senate.”

Really, Jay? You honestly think Democrats won big in 2008 because of their promises or more because of the unpopularity of Bush? If it was as you claim, then why did the Democrats get spanked in 2010 and are greatly sweating 2012? Talk about “memes”.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
7:15 pm

How many of those will vote for the President?

The operative question is, how many will vote for RMoney?

DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming

June 28th, 2012
7:15 pm

numbers – there’s more than one court. The DOJ now has to take the case up to the court here in Atlanta, Northern District. If they win here that other court’s opinion is supplanted.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
7:16 pm

…and are greatly sweating 2012?

Sweating?

I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
7:19 pm

…that led to these victories was due in large part to the unpopularity of Obamacare.

And the fact that women voted in less that historic averages.

Thanks to your pal Rush leading the GOP’s War on Women, I assure you that that is not going to happen again.

After killing OBL and today’s ruling, Barry to Flip and the Flipbots, “That’ll be two terms, please.”

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
7:20 pm

America is headed down a dark road

Fainting couch sales have gone through the roof today!

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:20 pm

Looks like the health care bubble will continue

November

June 28th, 2012
7:21 pm

I am curious to see over the next few days how much Romney’s coffers fill up because of this ruling. My guess is that donations to him, expressly because of his promise to help repeal this law when elected, will increase dramatically.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:21 pm

“I don’t think that word means what you think it means.”

I suspect I have a better understanding of what words mean than you do, but we don’t need to get into academic credentials.

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
7:21 pm

or perhaps an individual’s jackassedness is just that, his or her’s alone

That could also be true as well. That said, I have noticed an attempt or two by some of the blog’s self-identified Liberals berating posters of their same ideological bent for saying things that were downright awful this week. I can’t say that I see the same from the more conservative posters. Maybe they overlook the posts or something. I don’t have an answer.

One of these days, I’ll probably align myself with one of the ideologies, but that will happen only after they excommunicate the crazies. I don’t really care for the extremes from either group, whereas the moderates from both sides generally appeal to me.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:22 pm

Europe here we come

josef

June 28th, 2012
7:23 pm

Those counting the noses of the disenchanted on Obamacare as falling into the Romney camp need to think again. I think I’ve made it pretty clear that I’m in the don’t much care for it camp, but I certainly ain’t in the Romney camp either. Dislike of the ACA doesn’t equate with a vote for Romney.

F. Sinkwich

June 28th, 2012
7:23 pm

“Insurance companies will be hiring more people, and health care providers will also.”

Oh, good.

America is BACK!!

We don’t need no stinkin’ production jobs. We don’t need no stinkin’ construction jobs. We don’t need no stinkin’ energy jobs. We don’t need no stinkin’ AG jobs.

We got bed pan emptiers !!!!

Pathetic.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:24 pm

Sinkwich

Yep, most healthcare work is economic loss

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
7:24 pm

America is headed down a dark road

He was a dark and stormy knight….

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
7:24 pm

Nope. But then, Wingfield’s blog is chock full of name-jackers, rejects from this blog, and serial malcontents unhappy with anything that’s happened since 1850.

Whew!!!!! I was wondering if the combination of heat and beer was doing a number on me. I appreciate the response, and my appologies if I offended you with that question/statement.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 28th, 2012
7:25 pm

We got bed pan emptiers !!!!

Pathetic.

Speaking of serial malcontents . . .

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:25 pm

Need to warm up those Singapore applications again :)

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:26 pm

Not just yet tho

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
7:26 pm

I kinda chuckle when I think of the millions and millions that the Uncle Sam haters spent on their “Let ‘em Die” campaign…

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:27 pm

“I’d say the battle lines are clearly drawn for November. Mr. Romney pledges to repeal ObamaCare, due to its damaging effect on the economy; Mr. Obama pledges to lead the fight for gay marriage.”

And if you’d just give him a third term, polygamy, free transgender operations (like San Francisco actually considered) and mandatory imprisonment of not terrorists but “homophobes” and “haters”.

F. Sinkwich

June 28th, 2012
7:28 pm

“The number of applications for unemployment benefits hovered last week near the highest level of the year, showing little improvement in the U.S. labor market.”

Cheer up!

You’ve got Obamacare, dudes!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
7:28 pm

I suspect I have a better understanding of what words mean than you do, but we don’t need to get into academic credentials.

1st man: “Brr, that river’s cold”
2nd man: “Deep, too”
3rd man: “Yep, with sharp rocks on the bottom.”

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:28 pm

Only chicks like “dark and stormys”

Kam, go get your nails done

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 28th, 2012
7:28 pm

Give Obama a 4th term and Towncrier will be championing the right to marry his goat. :lol:

josef

June 28th, 2012
7:30 pm

Off topic but good news nonethless…Nissan is expanding its Canton, Mississippi operations and is hiring 1000. Gas is also below $3.00 a gallon there…

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:31 pm

“But then, Wingfield’s blog is chock full of name-jackers, rejects from this blog, and serial malcontents unhappy with anything that’s happened since 1850.”

Ummm…I like Kyle and think he makes some pretty good points, but his blog is not “chock full” of posters, period. And some days, half of those few posters are “serial malcontents” from this blog (without passing judgment on their character or intelligence).

Get Real

June 28th, 2012
7:31 pm

After reading that the law was considered constitutional as a tax not under the commerce clause it should be interesting to hear the Obama spin. The poll numbers have not changed as this is not a popular law. This may turn out to be the best thing that could have happened for Romney

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:32 pm

I want to be part of a different country

Time to emigrate if I can

St Simons - he-ne-ha

June 28th, 2012
7:32 pm

chicken little cons throughout history -
1842 – ‘if workers can strike, no bidness will survive!’
1887 – ‘if you give blacks $1/day wages, just burn bidness to da ground!’
1912 – ‘anti sweatshop legislation is gubmint interference!’
1924 – ‘banning child labor reduces free market oppotuniteh!’
1938 – (my fav) a 40 hr work week!? there won’t be any bidnesses
left to hire people!’
1964 – equal pay for women & negroes? bidness can’t survive if
if job-killin regulations strangle us!’
1970 – ‘health & safety laws – we’ll be outta bidness in 6 mos!’
2012 – ‘health care will end ‘merka!’

chicken little cons – wrong about, well, everything

Recon 0311 2533

June 28th, 2012
7:32 pm

The fact is that the AHA is unpopular among the majority of voters. Obama in his reelection campaign will be forced to defend the bill that will be under attack by Republicans. He will also be forced to defend his record on the economy that will be under attack by the Republicans. On a much lessor scale he will be attacked for protecting Eric Holder as his A.G. from the F&F scandal. He will be forced to play a lot of defense while his campaign strategy was to be on offense attacking Romney as an out of touch rich guy who put Bain profitability ahead of employee’s. The tables have turned thank you Chief Justice Roberts you’ve helped the Romney campaign with your decision albeit unwittingly.

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
7:34 pm

josef

I bet Bertolini looked like a combination of Fred Astaire, Ben Vereen, Sammy Davis Jr., and Gregory Hines today when that decision was announced. It will be interesting to see what his compensation package looks like after 2014.

Bruno

June 28th, 2012
7:34 pm

It is a mark of the mindless antipathy to all things Obama that conservatives would claim to be appalled by such a tax, and would build their 2012 campaign around an effort to free the moochers from any obligation to contribute to their own care.

While all of you Idiot Libs are celebrating the end of “free ridership” in our health care system, none of you are smart enough to realize that the system enacted by the Jackass Dems throws the door wide open for free riders. People like me will now simply pay the fine each year, then jump on board as soon as we have a serious health problem. Congratulations, you’re all now going to pay more.

The end of freedom and personal responsibility in our country is now in sight. The government is free via this ruling to force you to purchase any product they choose or force you to pay a fine. So, celebrate away. You’ve all traded away your freedom and all the good things that come with it for a little security.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:35 pm

1776 to 1960 stellar growth

Post SS and Medicare, America has been treading water

May start drowning now….

josef

June 28th, 2012
7:36 pm

BROSEPHUS

Don’t you know it! :-)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 28th, 2012
7:37 pm

Well I see another blogger makes a promise they could not keep…….. liar. :lol:

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:37 pm

Recon

If Romney loses, Roberts will be responsible for playing a key part in American decline

MiltonMan

June 28th, 2012
7:39 pm

I love it. I will quit my job so you clowns can pay for me to sit around and eat Cheetos all day!

Obama 2012!

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:39 pm

“While all of you Idiot Libs are celebrating the end of “free ridership” in our health care system, none of you are smart enough to realize that the system enacted by the Jackass Dems throws the door wide open for free riders. People like me will now simply pay the fine each year, then jump on board as soon as we have a serious health problem.”

Come on and take a free ride, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you have to be an albino?

G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)

June 28th, 2012
7:39 pm

Is Doomy on vacation?

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:40 pm

Bruno 7:34 I agree

It’s pretty appalling

Obamacare will have to be reformed or America is toast

MiltonMan

June 28th, 2012
7:40 pm

The US Supreme Court just delivered the WH to Mittie boy.

Thanks CJ Roberts!

Jay

June 28th, 2012
7:40 pm

No, Milton. Cheetohs will be banned.

You will have to munch on organic sun-dried soy.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:41 pm

“Brr…sharp rocks…”

Good thought.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:42 pm

If you strike the Medicaid expansion, and the premium subsidies, then things will be mostly ok

Best to also get rid of the other new taxes on investments and medical devices

MiltonMan

June 28th, 2012
7:42 pm

The company I work for informed us just yesterday that if ObamaCare takes affect, our “Cadillac insurance policy” will now include a deduction in our pay.

Thanks Obama & thanks to you morons who voted him in.

Erwin's cat

June 28th, 2012
7:43 pm

i dont understand….there’s a lot of anti-big-biz on the left, yet this bill literally puts your life in the hands of the insurance industry, that no matter how hard they try the govt can regulate anything in practice, only on paper…..so why oh why does the left embrace this decision….should have held out for a single payer….i expect many non-multi-national corps will opt to pay the fine and stop subsidizing health benes….be careful what you wish for

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:43 pm

“The US Supreme Court just delivered the WH to Mittie boy.

Thanks CJ Roberts!”

Don’t count on it. Work hard to get him elected.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:44 pm

“The company I work for informed us just yesterday that if ObamaCare takes affect, our “Cadillac insurance policy” will now include a deduction in our pay.”

No…you can’t be right….Obama PROMISED you could keep the policy you have now…oh…wait….he didn’t say at the same cost. He must be from Chicago, arguably the most corrupt city in American history.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
7:44 pm

tiredofIT

June 28th, 2012
7:44 pm

I think it time to relegate the cons to the children’s table and just ignore their childish comments. The big guys made a decision so accept it.

Brandt Hardin

June 28th, 2012
7:46 pm

Republicans would have us believe this is bad for America. Is there any doubt that a Romney administration would favor the rich and increase the income gap in our country while leaving millions of our citizens uninsured and unprotected? Mitt is a pariah in Mormon Clothing and will stop at nothing to expand an empire of greed for the rich in this country. Can his sacred Mormon underwear gain him enough donations to buy this election? See for yourself as Mitt dons his tighty-whities sent from the Good Lord Himself at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/05/mitt-romneys-magic-mormon-underwear.html

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 28th, 2012
7:46 pm

Well, everybody needs to be tuned in to Fox News tonight. Bill O’Reilly promised everybody “to apologize for being an idiot” if the SC found Obamacare constitutional. I can’t hardly wait.

Patrick

June 28th, 2012
7:46 pm

Jm…
I just made my 2nd donation to Romney about an hour ago.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:46 pm

Vote Romney

End the insanity

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 28th, 2012
7:47 pm

The company I work for informed us just yesterday that if ObamaCare takes affect, our “Cadillac insurance policy” will now include a deduction in our pay.

Sure they did. :lol: You were in line at the Whole Foods at the time, too.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:47 pm

America will no longer be a free market economy after obamacare

More than 50% run by government

Ie, private sector smaller than government

Bad news

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:47 pm

“I think it time to relegate the cons to the children’s table and just ignore their childish comments.”

Hey, are you tried of IT (information technology) or it (as it Coke)?

getalife

June 28th, 2012
7:48 pm

willard gets unlimited corporate donations.

You are wasting your money.

Donate to charity instead.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:48 pm

Patrick good job

Get a yard sign…..

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:49 pm

Or bumper sticker

getalife

June 28th, 2012
7:49 pm

Yeah, cons think willard will repeal willardcare.

That is insane.

Check mate.

Jay

June 28th, 2012
7:50 pm

Bruno … don’t go committing blog suicide

Patrick

June 28th, 2012
7:50 pm

@getalife
Charity is now handled by the government.

Erwin's cat

June 28th, 2012
7:51 pm

Tc…I asked this before but never saw an answer, that i recall….but if I opt out, pay the fine, have a bad day and have to have an emergency hospital visit…before I can sign up…what happens?

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:51 pm

And keep donating

Every dollar helps

Adam

June 28th, 2012
7:52 pm

Bruno: People like me will now simply pay the fine each year, then jump on board as soon as we have a serious health problem. Congratulations, you’re all now going to pay more.

Because that’s EXACTLY what happened with Romneycare.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:52 pm

“In addition to no longer having the patience to deal with Jay’s half-truths and ugliness towards conservatives, my GF no longer feels safe here since Jay refused to deal with the sexually-laced attacks launched on her by Jay’s favorite POS SoothSayer/Redneck Convert. Because I have no power to deal with the situation directly, I think it’s best for me and her to seek a more welcome environment. So next time SoothSayer or his alter ego RC gets another free pass, just remember that it caused some decent folks to leave.”

Bruno, hold on…you can always bring the matter to the editor via e-mail if you think Jay has been unresponsive. Secondly, I doubt RC is SS (actually I was thinking it might be AG or even Jay himself). I may be wrong, but there is a certain level of quality in RC’s satire I haven’t seen in SS regular posts.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
7:52 pm

Bruno — the class of Harvey Mudd U., til the end.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:52 pm

Getalife

Romney can’t repeal obamacare

But he can fix it

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:53 pm

“Because that’s EXACTLY what happened with Romneycare.”

So…it is alright, then? Or are you conceding the criticism?

Jay

June 28th, 2012
7:54 pm

I guess I’m too late to save the man.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
7:54 pm

Towncrier: That’s actually not what happened with Romneycare.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:55 pm

“Because that’s EXACTLY what happened with Romneycare.”

Sorry it is. MAhas had huge healthcare problems since romneycare

It was feasible to fix because it always is at the state level

Federal laws are insanely difficult to fix

We’re probably FUBAR

But maybe, maybe there’s hope….

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:56 pm

“Tc…I asked this before but never saw an answer, that i recall….but if I opt out, pay the fine, have a bad day and have to have an emergency hospital visit…before I can sign up…what happens?”

[Tongue-in-cheek] You are turned away, almost die and then the press gets hold of the story and reveals how heartless this liberal reform of healthcare turned out to be…

Erwin's cat

June 28th, 2012
7:56 pm

“Because that’s EXACTLY what happened with Romneycare.”

ah hmmmm…..you can do better than move the gp’s…i know ya can

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:56 pm

“Towncrier: That’s actually not what happened with Romneycare.”

Source?

Jay

June 28th, 2012
7:57 pm

For the record, Sooth is not RC, and vice versa.

And for the record, I intervened immediately when Sooth got out of line, and Sooth admitted that he had done so and quickly apologized. Later, Bruno claimed that Sooth had repeated the attack. I looked at the posts cited and saw nothing — literally — to complain about.

Bruno, in my opinion, insisted on playing the victim when he had other choices available to him. He has made his choice.

Erwin's cat

June 28th, 2012
7:57 pm

Enter your comments here

kayaker 71

June 28th, 2012
7:57 pm

So, now it’s only three white guys and an uncle tom. And the evil John Roberts jumped ship…. so is it necessary after all to “look under the robes of the Supremes?” This is a big surprise. Even the liberal media was gearing up to blame those evil conservatives for denying to provide health care as a right and not a commodity to all of those disadvantaged out there. Now it appears that those least able to pay for health care are going to have to buy health care insurance. But with the cost of insurance going up to the stratosphere after Bozocare was ruled constitutional, those same people are not going to be able to afford it. Then as each insurance company throws in the towel, where do they look for insurance? You got it….. the single payer option. Which was the plan all along. Bozocare has not done these poor unfortunates any favors. When the cost of health insurance premiums doubles, we will see just how much the American electorate likes it.
This election now has some pretty distinct lines drawn in the sand. Stay tuned.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 28th, 2012
7:58 pm

Well, I like Sooth—even if he does follow me around the golf course and try and rat me out to the ranger. But I’m no Sooth. Anyhow, if I got anything bad to say about Bruno, I’ll say it about him, not his girlfriend,.I won’t be going on no hunger strike to wait on Bruno’s apology. He don’t have that much class.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
7:58 pm

Jm: No, you are wrong. Forbes had a whole article on how successful Romneycare was.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:58 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
7:58 pm

For the record, Sooth is not RC, and vice versa.

Heh, heh, heh….

Jm

June 28th, 2012
7:59 pm

Adam read 7:58

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:59 pm

“For the record, Sooth is not RC, and vice versa.”

The plot thickens….

Don't Forget

June 28th, 2012
7:59 pm

No, Milton. Cheetohs will be banned.

The Canadian Cheetoh cartel will supply all the black market cheetohs you can eat.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
7:59 pm

“Heh, heh, heh….”

It ain’t you, either.

Erwin's cat

June 28th, 2012
8:00 pm

Bruno, in my opinion, insisted on playing the victim when he had other choices available to him. He has made his choice.

Passive Aggressive much Jay?…just sayin’…I’m far from perfect myself

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
8:00 pm

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
6:09 pm
That Black Guy – been trying to touch base with you for days about your question on the dogs. Are you still considering getting the Cane Corso?
________________________________________________________________
Doggone, yes, I’m still considering it. Any feedback?

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
8:01 pm

“So, now it’s only three white guys and an uncle tom…”

Oh boy…

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:01 pm

I ran into Jon lovitz a few weeks ago

Did not ask him about his rant

But I bet he’s pissed

getalife

June 28th, 2012
8:02 pm

Patrick,

Clinton foundation.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
8:02 pm

It ain’t you, either.

Never claimed it was, sport.

But there is one here (and St. Elsewhere) that some took their cues from.

bman

June 28th, 2012
8:02 pm

I really know very, very little about the new healthcare law. I wonder how the independent voters feel about this?

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
8:03 pm

And the evil John Roberts jumped ship…. so is it necessary after all to “look under the robes of the Supremes?”

Oooookkkkkkkk!!!!!! Another one who didn’t get the full gist of Roberts opinion. No fear dude, Roberts’ conservative creds are still valid and in full effect. He ruled against the commerce clause, putting a limit on government reach with that one. He also called Obama out for a tax increase, which we all know Democratic Party members love taxing people. One other thing that not many people realize is that he saved the free market for insurance companies for the time being.

Had the ACA been overturned, the only other option for getting any of the popular features of the ACA would have been via single payer. Enacting single payer healthcare kills the private sector insurance industry.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
8:03 pm

Towncrier: My source for premiums NOT shooting through the roof after Romneycare and creating a bunch of people who dumped their insurance in favor of the fee? How about articles saying that never happened?

BRW

June 28th, 2012
8:03 pm

Name that company Milton. Bet you won’t. Because I will check it out and then call you a liar.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
8:04 pm

jm,

Yeah, that is the ticket.

josef

June 28th, 2012
8:04 pm

GMARE

He’s on vacation…

IMAM

Yeah, unh-huh, sure…
********
And Bruno will be back on the third day…we just need to get him down from that cross…

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
8:05 pm

“How about articles saying that never happened?”

Hit me.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
8:06 pm

Enacting single payer healthcare kills the private sector insurance industry.

And there will be much rejoicing.

Jay

June 28th, 2012
8:06 pm

As are we all, Erwin.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
8:06 pm

St Simons - he-ne-ha

June 28th, 2012
8:06 pm

‘like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our blog’

Adam

June 28th, 2012
8:07 pm

Off to pick up my girlfriend for whom the bus has not arrived for an hour. I will be back in a bit.

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
8:07 pm

Although this video comes from Australia, I think it makes a reasoned explanation for having insurance coverage…

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/animal-house/201206/motorcyclist-receives-slithery-surprise

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
8:07 pm

“so is it necessary after all to “look under the robes of the Supremes?”

Well, I have thought since yesterday that Jay’s phrasing was odd (and I hope not crude).

Oscar

June 28th, 2012
8:08 pm

I thought I remembered seeing Sooth’s apology and Bruno accepting his apology. And thought that ended it.

josef

June 28th, 2012
8:08 pm

BROSEPHUS

“Enacting single payer healthcare kills the private sector insurance industry.”

The health care end, and not a bad idea…they still got life insurance and everybody dies. I hear our friends at Aetna are planning to start insuring illegal aliens… :-)

St Simons - he-ne-ha

June 28th, 2012
8:09 pm

jm, in the pacific rim, they call it ‘migration’ and in most countries
you have to be under 45 yrs old, because they already have
excellent universal health care, and they don’t want our fat
american butts to be a drain on it. good luck
We have an associate over there (Oceania), because
I am over 50. If me and mrsstsimons weren’t over 50,
that would be us.

kayaker 71

June 28th, 2012
8:10 pm

There are only about 10M people in this country without health care insurance. Out of a country of 311M people, that represents about 3% of the total population. So now, the rest of us have to suffer a major change in our health care to accommodate just 3% of our citizens. Hell, the federal government could pay the health care premiums of 10M people and we would still be way ahead of the curve. This is not about health care for those who don’t have it…… it is about power and government control…. nothing else. Bozo and his gang could care less about the plight of the unfortunate. He uses them as pawns for re-election efforts then throws them aside when he is finished. Bozo cares nothing about ANYTHING, except Bozo. The Constitution is a doormat to wipe his feet. But this will energize the Republican base like nothing else. Count on us to all show up. Can you say the same thing, liberals, about the unions, the welfare hangers on, blacks and latinos?

F. Sinkwich

June 28th, 2012
8:11 pm

“Off to pick up my girlfriend for whom the bus has not arrived for an hour. I will be back in a bit.”

Gubmint at work.

Bus probably gagged on the ethanol crap and died.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 28th, 2012
8:11 pm

10M without healthcare or 26 million……hey who cares about accuracy and facts.

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
8:12 pm

josef

Yeah, I should have specified medical insurance. Didn’t mean to make it sound like the entire insurance industry would go under.

josef

June 28th, 2012
8:12 pm

I admit it. I’m the Du-k-sha-nee. That’s why I’m always talking about me… :-)

Recon 0311 2533

June 28th, 2012
8:12 pm

Jm, Bruno,

You both are lamenting this as a defeat. I see it quite differently. The greater majority of voters are opposed to this bill and that opens up campaign opportunities for Obama’s opposition like a revival of the Tea Party movement that played a large part in the Democrats “shellacking” in 010. Romney can play this like a fiddle all the way to November along with attacking this presidents dismal failure with the economy.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
8:13 pm

There are only about 10M people in this country without health care insurance.

Let them eat béchamel.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
8:14 pm

Hey Adam, FYI, I have yet to see you link to an article NOT written by a liberal. That explains your close-mindedness, I think. You need to get out more, imho.

Jay

June 28th, 2012
8:14 pm

From kayaker:
“There are only about 10M people in this country without health care insurance. Out of a country of 311M people, that represents about 3% of the total population.”

From the 2010 Census:

“In 2010, the percentage of people without health insurance, 16.3 percent, was not statistically different from the rate in 2009. The number of uninsured people increased to 49.9 million in 2010 from 49.0 million in 2009.”

One of those two is wrong. I think I’ll side with the one that literally went door to door to every house in the country to ask that question.

Jay

June 28th, 2012
8:14 pm

I thought so too, Oscar.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:15 pm

Getalife 8:04 :)

St Simons - he-ne-ha

June 28th, 2012
8:17 pm

i knew it – my literary skills are improving.
the rhythm, the cadence, i’ve thought that all along, josef.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:18 pm

Bro

“He ruled against the commerce clause, putting a limit on government reach with that one.”

Meh, not really. The ruling doesn’t put any practical limit on commerce clause

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
8:18 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
8:18 pm

Fred ™

June 28th, 2012
8:18 pm

Jay

June 28th, 2012
7:54 pm

I guess I’m too late to save the man.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Meh, not really. You have pretty much have carte blanche. You do what you wish, don’t try to kid us. While there are times you are judicious, I’ve experienced others where you are just………. well I have no word for it………..

At a time like this where the republicans, who live in fear of everything anyways, are especially fearful allowances could be given. I’m still puzzled as to how I could dedicate a queen song to josef at LEAST 4 times in the past and then the last time the post went under moderation and then was pulled. But it is what it is.

I wouldn’t have been back except to read the fall out from this ruling and strangely enough I find myseld uninterested when I do read except to find Bruno (the asshat lol) was banned. He wasn’t my favorite, but he was mostly interesting to read. At least 75 % of the time he made sense and he had some great musical taste.

hopefully it was just a temp ban. Maybe just (at most) 30 days in the hole……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXjm8pZMws

bman

June 28th, 2012
8:19 pm

Mister Bookman .. .. If you had to make a guess; what impact, if any, will this decision have on the economy (near-term) ?

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:19 pm

St Simons

Re emigration

Everyone is happy to have you if you’re rich

Not quite there yet

Jay

June 28th, 2012
8:20 pm

Ninja

June 28th, 2012
8:20 pm

I never understood all the hatred towards the ACA. It’s a decent idea if you cut through all the BS, why not see if it actually works before scrapping it (in reality, not Partisan-Idiot Land)? Especially when the people who want it gone don’t have a clue what to do with health care beyond a bunch of cliche-ridden stupidity.

Recon 0311 2533

June 28th, 2012
8:21 pm

Was Bruno banned? If so for what? I don’t read every post.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 28th, 2012
8:22 pm

Kam, the gentlemen from Mud has made a clear relevation of his lack of stature. :D

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
8:22 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
8:24 pm

hopefully it was just a temp ban. Maybe just (at most) 30 days in the hole……

He’s already next door at Kyle’s bad mouthing this place and Jay in particular.

Looks like he is also trying to curry sympathy.

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
8:24 pm

Meh, not really. The ruling doesn’t put any practical limit on commerce clause

There’s many a person in this country today, both liberal and conservative, who would disagree with you. Most of the analysis that I’ve read on his decision states the fact that, although he sided with the four liberal justices in upholding the ACA, his opinion showed that he pretty much voted right along with his conservative colleagues.

Had the commerce clause been upheld as legal in this case, that would have stretched it much farther than it already has been stretched. Instead, Congress (Democrats) got a smack on the hand while trying to sneak into the cookie jar one time too many.

————–

Fred

Where have you been, bro???

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
8:25 pm

Bruno

Come on back. We don’t agree much on politics, but on other things probably more than we have even discussed.

Pony up Jersey Boy

lets read that fire and vitriol that keeps the libs and social cons on their toes

Jay

June 28th, 2012
8:26 pm

Fred, Bruno had indicated days ago that he would be leaving the blog. I guess he felt he had to go out in a blaze of glory, such as it is.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
8:26 pm

Recon

he elected to go or so he said

Hopefully he will be back.

I agree with little of what he says politically, but he brings much to the table. He is a smart man

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
8:26 pm

First: Hey Adam, FYI, I have yet to see you link to an article NOT written by a liberal.

Followed by a link to The Weakly Standard

Too Funny!

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:26 pm

Town crier. Roberts got suckered

“bman: none”

Spoken like someone truly ignorant of economics

F. Sinkwich

June 28th, 2012
8:26 pm

“bman: None.”

Sinkwich: tons.

Businesses ain’t hiring because of this nonsense.

Hey, Jay, will the unemployment rate be lower or higher in November?

Higher.

Loss of freedom + higher taxes = bad economy.

tiredofIT

June 28th, 2012
8:27 pm

I think I am going to buy me a couple of those Obama for president t-shirts, but remember if you see me, I wouldn’t make any negative comments as I will be armed. (thanks NRA).

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
8:27 pm

“There’s many a person in this country today, both liberal and conservative, who would disagree with you. Most of the analysis that I’ve read on his decision states the fact that, although he sided with the four liberal justices in upholding the ACA, his opinion showed that he pretty much voted right along with his conservative colleagues.”

See my last post to support what Brosephus is saying. Roberts appears to have rewritten the law in order to find a middle path (but that is not his role a SC justice).

Josef

June 28th, 2012
8:27 pm

I’m also Soothsayer…that’s why I keep citing The Protocols of the Elders of Zion… :-)

I’m not Bruno, though.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
8:28 pm

del,

He cut and ran to kyle’s.

He is having a bad day.

Fred ™

June 28th, 2012
8:28 pm

I have two different scenario’s to cite. One in favor of Obamacare and one against. Both are equally valid.

1). My buddy has a company. He employs around 300 folks around the Country. That means he’s not big enough to get an “exemption” from Obamacare. At 2 grand (or is it 3) per employee of a ‘fine” he is going to have to shut down his business. There just isn’t another 1/2 to 3/4 million bucks in todays tight market. He wishes he had that kind of cawsh to pay and STILL not go bankrupt.

2). My buddy is dying of lung cancer. He got his insurance through his employer. He worked for this company 20 or 30 years. They were stellar. They kept him “on the books” as long as they could even though he didn’t show up to work for almost 6 months so he could keep his insurance. Insurance BTW which HE paid for, not the company. But finally they had to “let him go.” He can’t get insurance elsewhere because NOW he has “pre-existing conditions.” What a crock of crap.

It’s time asshats to quit making this a Republican vs Democrat issue when it’s not that at all. We need a solution and letting people die isn’t a good one.

But then who am I kidding. Maybe 10 people who ever post here are smart enough to not be partisan. The rest would rather die or better yet KILL to make sure that they get their way.

Yawn……..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
8:28 pm

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
8:28 pm

“Doggone, yes, I’m still considering it. Any feedback?”

TBG – sorry, got called away again. Hope you see this! Bringing a female to the male’s home territory generally works better than the other way around. But I would suggest that before you decide for sure that you try to take them both to neutral territory. Get a friend or two to help. Try to go someplace like a park, or ball field that is wide open and with no trees.

Start walking them parallel to each other and gradually angle in until they are walking close together. If there is no apparent issue then let the male give the female a good all-over sniff, without letting them get face to face. If he even tries to mount her, let him. If she submits and doesn’t object, there’s probably a very good chance they’ll get along.

When you bring her home, you want to sort of repeat this. Take your male and meet someone with the female a good way from your home and walk them home together, making sure they both cross your property line together and behind you.

This way the male won’t feel challenged by a “stranger” dog trying to muscle in on HIS territory. Then for a few weeks you want to be sure that you reinforce his status as owner of the territory. Give him treats, affection, food, etc. first. Don’t let the female muscle in on him…some Cane Corso can be very strong minded.

In fact, for regular meals you might want to feed them as far apart as you can, gradually moving them closer over several weeks – to prevent any fights over food. And as often as you can, take them both on long walks away from home, and then walk back to home. That will reinforce to both of them that they are a “pack” and need each other both on neutral territory and on their home turf.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
8:28 pm

Gubmint at work.

Bus probably gagged on the ethanol crap and died.

The local government here sucks for public transportation. And no, I do not live in Atlanta.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
8:28 pm

“Followed by a link to The Weakly Standard. Too Funny!”

If you follow my posts, genius, you would know that I have linked to sites such as the Huffington Post more than once. I actually read it.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
8:29 pm

I like the President’s idea of no drama.

Recon 0311 2533

June 28th, 2012
8:29 pm

TBS,

Thanks for bringing me up to date.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:29 pm

Bro

You’re reading the wrong analysis

There are no ther existing, or pending, laws that will be impacted by the ruling

It has incredibly narrow application, meaning it is no threat to the expansion of federal power

bman

June 28th, 2012
8:29 pm

Jay .. .. none? I don’t know if I agree with that. But, I wouldn’t be able to guess if it would be positive effect, or negative. I just don’t know.

One thing’s for sure. If the economy doesn’t pick-up in the near term, I’m going to guess that republicans and Romney will use the new law as yet another regulation that is hindering economic growth.

curious

June 28th, 2012
8:30 pm

Just like DADT, this issue will fade away. It’s a done deal and a good one.

This will truly help people with pre-existing conditions and coverage caps. People will live because of this.

It might be you or someone you know.

Let’s move on and COLLECTIVELY do something good for this Nation.

Fred ™

June 28th, 2012
8:31 pm

Jay: I stand corrected. If he decided such then may the bridges he burned light his way. It’s better to burn up then fade away……….

On that note, For Bruno:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=748IjOdrjwg

Adam

June 28th, 2012
8:32 pm

Towncrier: Hey Adam, FYI, I have yet to see you link to an article NOT written by a liberal.

Well I didn’t realize that out of all the links I have ever posted, all 100% of them were written by liberals. I wouldn’t have expected that from Forbes and CNN. If your objection is based on the idea that somehow everyone who isn’t fringe conservative is liberal, or that all media is liberal, then I would not take you seriously. But you don’t strike me as that kind of person. So I will assume you simply have not seen everything I’ve linked.

But I can’t help but notice you haven’t actually refuted the articles about this subject on their merits, rather than ad hominem.

Josef

June 28th, 2012
8:32 pm

Alf comcast 133. He’s an insurance agent being held captive. :-)

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:33 pm

Fred 8:28

I have a solution

But I don’t run the government, so it’s irrelevant

And neither side would be a fan of it

Soothsayer

June 28th, 2012
8:33 pm

Jay: Thanks for backing me up on this issue.

Bruno: I can assure you that

1. I am not Redneck Convert &
2. I did not intentionally insult your GF as you suggest
3. The one time I did insult her, I apologized.

However, you are quick with insults. Just a few:

To Redneck Convert:

I never tasted anything so sour.

You mean other than your own ass??

——————————————-

I’m thinking Jay should appoint me to be the moderator when he is away. I can think of at least one poster who would be banned immediately. Plus, I think it would be cool to see my posts highlighted in gray.

——————————————-

To The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers:

Tapping out, hearing crickets chirping from the counter culture.

Enjoy your date with your left hand tonight……..

Playing the blushing ingenue doesn’t really become you.

kayaker 71

June 28th, 2012
8:34 pm

Even if you increased the number of those without health care insurance to 20M, that still only represents about 6% of the population. And we are going to change the health care system for 6% of the population? it appears that there about 290M people out there who are very happy with their health care. And you are going to hearing from them in November.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
8:34 pm

Fred: Exactly. Let’s fix the problems instead of blanket repeal or blanket “this solves everything.”

Adam

June 28th, 2012
8:35 pm

kayaker: Your numbers of who has health insurance are way off.

Recon 0311 2533

June 28th, 2012
8:35 pm

To my fellow conservatives I disagree with going after Justice Roberts as a turn coat. I think he made a common sense decision that does not help the Obama administration or its campaign in this election year. The AHA is an unpopular bill and all Roberts did with his decision was to hand it back to the voters who will be the rightful deciders in November.

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
8:37 pm

It has incredibly narrow application, meaning it is no threat to the expansion of federal power

This particular ruling has a very narrow application. However, he can’t be labeled as acting partisaned by reverting back to his conservative bonafides. He pretty much sealed his legacy as being pragmatic and above politics with this one, but he did not divert from his conservatism at all with his opinion. Therefore, every time he rules to uphold the limitation of the expansion of government, this ruling will be the one to remember because of what he ruled in this case.

—————

Fred

I’m looking forward to the day when we quit looking at everything as liberal/conservative or Republican/Democrat and simply tackle our problems as Americans. I took flak for saying this before, but maybe it will take the older generations dying off and the younger people who don’t really care about that stuff to bring about those changes to this country.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

June 28th, 2012
8:38 pm

Enter your comments here

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:38 pm

Recon

Obamacare will be impossible to rewind legislatively

Oscar

June 28th, 2012
8:39 pm

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:33 pm

______

Thanks for letting us know you have a solution. Now do you want to tell us what it is. If not, I will just refer to it as Jm’s secret solution.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
8:39 pm

“I wouldn’t have expected that from Forbes and CNN. If your objection is based on the idea that somehow everyone who isn’t fringe conservative is liberal, or that all media is liberal, then I would not take you seriously.”

I actually looked at the profile of the authors of the last two Forbes articles you linked. I try to gauge where one is coming from when reading an article, because almost everyone is promoting a view and may be “fudging” things a bit). Forbes publishes articles from both sides. Ungar, who wrote a thoughtful piece about the a mandate being imposed in the 18th century (I can’t recall the exact year – 1789?), makes no bones about being a liberal – in his responses to comments (all of which I read) he even said he is against the 2nd ammendment.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:41 pm

Bro

No one that is pro government expansion is in the least bit nervous about this ruling

Roberts did it because he loves the court more than the law

All this bookmans geared up to call them “partisan” made him very uncomfortable

So he, to use another baseball analogy, balked

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
8:42 pm

Watch this video of President Obama and George Snuffaluffagus —

Is it a tax ?

George Snuffy ain’t no Fox News stooge……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-ofjXrXio

Recon 0311 2533

June 28th, 2012
8:42 pm

Jm,

I’m not so certain of that if it’s repealed in its entirety. It will regardless be political fodder for sometime.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
8:42 pm

You got it….. the single payer option.

Here’s to hoping so.

SINGLE PAYER NOW.

Everybody in. Nobody out.

Just like the VA.

No dicking around with dozens of different paper pushing, claim denying companies screwing people over left and right…

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
8:44 pm

No one that is pro government expansion is in the least bit nervous about this ruling

And that’s the genius in Roberts’ decision. The most stinging rebukes are the ones you least expect.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:46 pm

Oscar 8:39 :) that’s a good name

I prefer to call it the “open access plan”

Take the exchanges. Require the terms, coverages, pricing, of any plan offered to every biz to be available to any individual. In other words, funnel all plans through the exchanges and require “open access”.

Eliminate tax subsidy, gradually divorcing employment from healthcare coverage. No subsidies, substantial penalty – tax for non coverage, or

Opt-in or opt-out for life. Sign up at 18 or elect to be permanently outside the insurance system. No money, no health care.

Oscar

June 28th, 2012
8:47 pm

It looks to me as if what Roberts did was exercise judicial restraint. Something the conservatives have been wanting for years. Judicial restraint means that if at all possible the court should defer to the laws passed by congress as legislation by the people’s elected representives. That leaves it up to the voters to elect other people to represent them if they don’t like the law. The idea of judicial restaint is opposed to judicial activism which represents legislation from the bench. Roberts, acting with judicial restaint found a way to support the law and refained from revoking it by legislating from the bench.

wow

June 28th, 2012
8:47 pm

I’m sorry. but faux alphas get really agitated when they can’t express their dominance.

The one that left is as smart as anyone who posts on this blog, but in the end, he couldn’t get his way, ie be the leader of the pack.

He went at it with all the Democrats and liberals, even the social conservatives. Just could not find the pack where he was the leader.

I wish him well. Hope everyone else does the same

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
8:48 pm

Alrighhhtttyyyy then. I guess I am out. Good night, all.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:49 pm

“I’m not so certain of that if it’s repealed in its entirety. It will regardless be political fodder for sometime”

Dude, I doubt republicans will ever have the senate supermajority required to repeal it

Further, there are some republicans who wouldn’t vote to kill it

Obamacare is here to stay

The only option of use is “de-funding”

Fred ™

June 28th, 2012
8:49 pm

Recon 0311 2533

June 28th, 2012
8:35 pm

To my fellow conservatives I disagree with going after Justice Roberts as a turn coat. I think he made a common sense decision that does not help the Obama administration or its campaign in this election year. The AHA is an unpopular bill and all Roberts did with his decision was to hand it back to the voters who will be the rightful deciders in November.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Very Righteous post Del.

Brocephus: Amen.

And with that I’m out. As I have shown in the past I just can’t deal with the stupidity partisan BS very well without commenting outside of the rules lol.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
8:50 pm

Just could not find the pack where he was the leader.

Not going real well next door, either.

Moon Mullins

June 28th, 2012
8:51 pm

Do you think Flip Floppin’ Romney might want Zig Zag Zell as his running mate?

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
8:52 pm

Freeing the states from
medicaid expansion may
leave many poor uninsured.

Recon 0311 2533

June 28th, 2012
8:52 pm

“The only option of use is “de-funding”

Jm,Bingo, that my friend is a real possibility.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 28th, 2012
8:53 pm

Regarding the “Stolen Valor” ruling, does anyone know offhand if any of the members of the SCOTUS have ever been in the military ?

Oscar

June 28th, 2012
8:53 pm

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:46 pm

____

I agree with most of it except for two things.

One, I think everyone should have the option of buying a high deductable, low premium policy which may not be among the choices offered by any biz.

Two, I shudder at sticking someone for life to decisions they make at age 18. I can remember when I was 18 and it is downright scary to think about. Besides, at 18, a person’s brain, the frontal lobes which regulate common sense, values and judgment, among other things is not even fully grown in yet.

Mos of all I agree that heath insuramce should be completely divorced from employment.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
8:54 pm

Bruno
June 28th, 2012
10:40 am

“Just want to say sick it up your asses Libs.

Bruno is done on this blog.”

Yet ANOTHER wingnut lie… one of millions told today…

getalife

June 28th, 2012
8:55 pm

Get over it.

ACA and fast and furies are over.

You lost.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
8:58 pm

“I think everyone should have the option of buying a high deductable, low premium policy which may not be among the choices offered by any biz.”

I agree, but those are often available

On the 18 thing, agreed, have open enrollment every 5 years, but you can only opt in every 5 years, and you sign a 5 year contract, no dropping it until the next window

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
8:58 pm

Wolfgang’s Vault is the bomb.

I cannot even begin to guess how much great music they have turned me onto…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agd6WaqMqd0

TaxPayer

June 28th, 2012
8:58 pm

So, have I missed any good meltdowns.

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
8:59 pm

“One, I think everyone should have the option of buying a high deductable, low premium policy which may not be among the choices offered by any biz”

I don’t think you need to worry. A lot of people NOW don’t know about those and they are still offered. They are cash cows, because anyone who can afford to keep enough money on hand to make them a viable choice is quite likely to also take more care of themselves and be less likely to get really ill.

In fact, they might be the ONLY option available to people with an existing condition that is likely to kill them pretty soon anyway. That way the insurance company can comply with not denying a policy to someone with an existing condition, but can also lower their own risk of having to pay out a lot.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
9:01 pm

President Obama on video during an interview with George Stephanopoulos —-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-ofjXrXio —- – Is it a tax or not? “I absolutely reject that notion.”

“I will NOT raise taxes. Period!” — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_7WUugsWng

Video and a little serchin’….. Epic Lying Exposed dude who drinks way too much and thinx we iz stupidz….

Don't Forget

June 28th, 2012
9:02 pm

I remember back before the bill was passed when Obama met with the republican senators and he went around the room and asked each senator if there was ANY aspect of the bill they approved of and not a single senator was willing to endorse ANY of it. Let’s be real here. It’s about defeating Obama and nothing else. I wouldn’t mind seeing some changes made, some compromise but that’s not on the table and never was.

Dekalb comments

June 28th, 2012
9:03 pm

I wish the republics well in their campaign to defeat a law that grants to Americans the first promise of hope regarding health care in the nation’s history.

I was at a colleague’s retirement party this evening. It was a very mixed group, conservatives, independents and liberals. What unified everyone on this point was the idea that people could make plans about the future knowing that they knew what the lay of the land would be about healthcare.

If we have one Congress doing one thing and another doing another, an individual will never know what to do, to plan. I had a friend who died of kidney cancer two years ago. He worked full-time up until a month before he died because he needed insurance and he couldn’t afford what COBRA would cost. I told him when he was diagnosed as terminal to stop working and spend his remaining time with friends and family. He did the financial analysis and determined he probably couldn’t afford to do that.

Is that the America you want? If you don’t have a viable alternative to the ACA then you think this was a great outcome – working as long as you could still drag yourself to the office, generating profits for your corporate master, only so that you would be able to see a doctor in the last days of your life. Some country we are.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
9:03 pm

does anyone know offhand if any of the members of the SCOTUS have ever been in the military ?

I would be shocked if any were.

Although one is a pornography addict that should probably have been impeached. (Where’s Eddie Meese when we need him? LOL!)

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:03 pm

TP, I guess Bruno melted down and started claiming he and his GF were in mortal danger here or something like that… This after he told us “libs” to stick it up our a$$es this morning at 10:40a, and claimed he done with this blog, then proceeded to post and whine a all day…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
9:04 pm

…and thinx we iz stupidz….

Anyone that believes any politician speaking to the camera has already self identified in that category.

DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming

June 28th, 2012
9:05 pm

They are reshowing this 60 minute piece on TV where the 60 minute crew went to all these “Free Clinic” symposiums set up to provide basic health care to people. There are people on the screen decrying the fact that they can’t get basic health care in the United States.

And you cons are crying about a poorly run healthcare system that doesn’t work. These people aren’t bums, or lazy; most have been laid off and once they were laid off LOST their health care.

Millions of americans held hostage to a mafia style enterprise called “HMOs”.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
9:06 pm

Look, I can’t blame Bruno

The home team around here is pretty classless

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:06 pm

The poutrage is off the charts here, Bruno’s done, because he and his girlfriend are in danger… JM is leaving the country… cats living with dogs… lions and tigers and bears… oh my…it’s pandemonium!!!

TaxPayer

June 28th, 2012
9:06 pm

Dang it! I miss all the good stuff. Encore! Encore!

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:07 pm

That pretty much includes you…weren’t you leaving the country?

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
9:08 pm

Taxpayer
simply scroll into the past
it is all still there..

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:08 pm

You know because Bruno and your ilk are sooooo classy….

“Bruno
June 28th, 2012
10:40 am

Just want to say sick it up your asses Libs.

Bruno is done on this blog.”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
9:09 pm

This after he told us “libs” to stick it up our a$$es this morning at 10:40a, and claimed he done with this blog, then proceeded to post and whine a all day…

To be fair, Bruno left at 10:40 and only came back to stomp his feet so he could storm out in true Scarlett O’Hara dramatic fashion.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:10 pm

Like the drama queen that he is…

Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common

June 28th, 2012
9:12 pm

Brosephus@8:37 pm

At what point is the older generation OLD?

If you are referring to Josef I agree, but not ME. :-)

getalife

June 28th, 2012
9:12 pm

Tax,

Many meltdowns today.

It was a great day to follow American politics.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:12 pm

That post from the classy act known as Bruno, was, BTW, his first post of the day, on a fresh thread, 2 pages in, unprovoked… True Class that one…

getalife

June 28th, 2012
9:14 pm

jm,

kyle could use the traffic.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
9:14 pm

Jm

You post what you post at times as well as other right leaning bloggers and you have the audacity to call some classless?

Not defending the punk A$$ lefties who throw bs bombs daily, but really? with a straight face?

I hope Bruno comes back, as I said, he brings much to the table, but you are not the one to be calling anyone classless

Sorry dude, you are at time exactly that

getalife

June 28th, 2012
9:16 pm

corporate media’s focus is on the word tax.

They are just horrible at their jobs.

TaxPayer

June 28th, 2012
9:16 pm

And to think that things could have been so different had Chief Justice Roberts only done the “right” thing for the cons. “Libs” would have been forced to deal with it, etc., etc. Oh well. Interesting outcome though. And quite the uncharacteristically emotion wrought response from some of the typically rational, well mannered and logical right wingnuts.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
9:18 pm

Kamchak the Make-Believe, Fantasy Hero wants to cut n paste “we iz stupidz”.

Did Kam of Gor post it’s thoughts about the videos I posted?

No.

Why?

It was a lie and a con from the very beginning. The Chicagoan played it better than the “Outfit”.

The trouble for ObaMao is video —

Millions are pouring in to the RNC, Romney and any other Dem running in November.

One of my favorite quotes from WWII, and one that I saw oft-repeated in the early wake of Sept. 11th, was Yamoto’s line following the attack on Pearl Harbor in which he said, “I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve.”

Fred ™

June 28th, 2012
9:20 pm

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:10 pm

Like the drama queen that he is…
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Seeeeeeee…itttttttt. We all have our drama queen moments. Everybody shows their ass at one time or another. you show your character in how you pull your pants back up……..

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
9:20 pm

Typo… U know what I meant

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:20 pm

They’ve been working themselves up to this for some time now, since Jay left that one thread up for like 4 days, they’ve been working themselves into quite a snit, finally peaking today…

jack bull

June 28th, 2012
9:21 pm

highest tax hike in history? really? Obamacare, or Obamatax?

DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming

June 28th, 2012
9:21 pm

Thanks for letting us know you have a solution. Now do you want to tell us what it is. If not, I will just refer to it as Jm’s secret solution.

Its the double secret plan. Like Dean Wormer…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tfK_3XK4CI

TaxPayer

June 28th, 2012
9:22 pm

Infomercial,

Try not to work yourself up into a slather.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:22 pm

Ahhh the “waking giant” straight from Faux news twitter feed… c’mon after a day like today, and all the wingnut hissies, that’s the best you can do?

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
9:22 pm

jack bull

thanks for the insight and words of wisdom………. it was breath taking

hahahaha

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:23 pm

My ass constantly hangs out… especially when I wear my kilt…

Oscar

June 28th, 2012
9:24 pm

DebbieDoRight

Animal House was on tv last night in the middle of the night. And I stayed up to watch most of it. Double, double, secret probation it is.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
9:24 pm

Rw troll

Thanks for making my point :)

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
9:25 pm

DDR

hello again, Hope all is well and I love that moniker

;-)

Just know, chocolate doesn’t make me break out

jack bull

June 28th, 2012
9:25 pm

glad my question was so inspiring to you.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:25 pm

Jm, you wear a kilt too???

TGT

June 28th, 2012
9:25 pm

All those independents? Don’t suppose you have numbers of independents voting in 2008 versus 2010 do you?

Sure Adam: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/03/women-independent-voters-biggest-swing/

As if you really needed it.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:26 pm

Seriously… after today and all the professional babies and whiners, it’s like amateur hour now…

Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common

June 28th, 2012
9:26 pm

DDR

Been trying to catch up on the blog, but how did the cooking lessons turn out?

:-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
9:26 pm

That post from the classy act known as Bruno, was, BTW, his first post of the day, on a fresh thread, 2 pages in, unprovoked… True Class that one…

Again, not entirely accurate.

His third post of the day came from four floors down at 3:09 a.m. and he was all ready to spike the ball on this issue.

His ability to predict the future failed him.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:27 pm

Swooning couches from coast to coast got quite the workout today…

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
9:27 pm

Scout @ 8:37

I don’t recall any as having served, but I’m no expert on their backgrounds either.

—————

NoCom @ 9:12

I’m even including myself in that “old” group. My group is biased as well. When I’m talking about the young ones, I’m referring to the ones that don’t even know what the Atari 2600 or Commodore 64 was or that they even existed. :)

Jm

June 28th, 2012
9:27 pm

Getalife

Yes, Kyle could use the traffic :)

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
9:27 pm

Obamacare = Obamatax

Jm

June 28th, 2012
9:28 pm

Tbs

You know next to nothing about me

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:29 pm

Sorry Kam, I stand corrected… I was in bed at that hour, having a job and all…

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
9:29 pm

getalife
the media is amazed that the
CJ reworded the PPACA
from penalty to tax to
make it constitutional.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
9:29 pm

Today is a good day for Obama. I don’t begrudge him 24hrs to celebrate.

It’s a “big flucking deal”

Obama will lose his election in November. The House will stay Repub and the Senate just might just go to the Repubs.

Remember “Reconciliation”?

With 51 votes in the Senate, a House win by 1 vote and President Romney —- Death to Obamacare

Oscar

June 28th, 2012
9:29 pm

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
9:27 pm

-___________

My first comuter was a commodore. Didn’t have a monitor. I hooked it up to my tv. Easy to do back then, just needed a screwdriver.

I always think of old as ten years more then I am.

Soothsayer

June 28th, 2012
9:30 pm

Rightwing Troll: Where have you been all these years? You’re my best buddy!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
9:30 pm

Did Kam of Gor post it’s thoughts about the videos I posted?

Geez…

.

Any

.

and

.

all

.

politicians

.

lie

.

when

.

they

.

are

.

in

.

front

.

of

.

the

.

camera.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
9:31 pm

Frog

Roberts threw principle out the window

Wanted to minimize hyper politization of the court

But he’s too late and he’s deferring the inevitable

And the constitution lost

Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common

June 28th, 2012
9:33 pm

Bro

I predate PC’s that’s how old Jay is also. We would have to go in the office to fix problems.

Now Jay can work from home if he chooses to. That and drink that rotgut bourbon LOL.

:-)

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
9:33 pm

Epic Fail KammieBaby !!!

LMFAO !!!

Soothsayer

June 28th, 2012
9:34 pm

“His third post of the day came from four floors down at 3:09 a.m. and he was all ready to spike the ball on this issue.”

That begs the question: what on Earth is someone doing up at 3:09 am?

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
9:35 pm

Jm

I know nothing about you except your post and I stand by what I said

You are the last person to be talking about class.

Anything else

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
9:35 pm

“And the constitution lost”

This from a scholar, right?

hahahahaha

Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common

June 28th, 2012
9:36 pm

Sooth

If I am up at 3am I am either drinking or working.

:-)

DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming

June 28th, 2012
9:38 pm

DDR

Been trying to catch up on the blog, but how did the cooking lessons turn out?

Hey! Happy Thursday!! Cooking classes are going great! I’m even planning and preparing Sunday dinners now. I’m hoping to go down and spend some time with mom-n-law during the summer to learn how to cook authentic “Southern Cuisine”. Mom-n-law is one of the best southern cooks ever!! And she’s been trying to get me into her kitchen for YEARS — I’m hoping to do her proud!

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
9:39 pm

Jm

Don’t let your few dollars and I ran to FL for a tax break allow your mouth to overload your @SS………………..

Please dont

I’m here in Inman Park when you want to see me

Josef

June 28th, 2012
9:40 pm

I’ll miss Bruno on FNM.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:41 pm

Yep, probably had his whole day of ball spiking planned, went to bed sometime after 3:09 with visions of ball spiking and end zone dances in his little head, and then when he sprung from his bed… DISAPPOINTED… so he kicked the dog, cursed W for withdrawing the nomination of his cleaning lady as CJ of SCOTUS, and then did this:
“Bruno
June 28th, 2012
10:40 am

Just want to say sick it up your asses Libs.

Bruno is done on this blog.”

(of course he wasn’t done… was he?…) ;)

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
9:41 pm

Jm
i think the court lost more
by not sending it back to
Congress for repair. They
did not have to void the
entire law to do that.

jack bull

June 28th, 2012
9:41 pm

Jay said it IS a TAX…..simply not true, because Obama himself told me, and you, that it wasn’t..you think i’m believing little ole Jay over the Prez?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

June 28th, 2012
9:42 pm

Well, Debbie, you ought to get in touch with Sister Dusty about the cooking. You’ll save a fortune. Nobody ever asks for seconds after they eat her food.

bman

June 28th, 2012
9:43 pm

Josef .. .. whats FNM?

Paul

June 28th, 2012
9:43 pm

We had some friends over to dinner tonight. Woman said she wasn’t sure about the decision and Obamacare but thought it would be way too expensive.

I quietly listed all the positives about ACA we’ve discussed here, specifically as how it related to families. I think that struck a chord as she thought of her kids.

We then briefly spoke of the costs, what the system is now like and what it will be. She’s quiet and thoughtful, nodded her head and said, “oh, I see… yes…. well, maybe it will be fine.”

Lots of people just get hit with too much earnest misinformation. This blog is great – all that stuff is brought to the table, then people back it up or have it shown to be….. inaccurate. Then one has the information for discussion elsewhere. Does a lot of good.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
9:45 pm

bman, Friday Night Music.

When all the cool cats and kitties put down their blogging swords and pick up their air guitars…

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
9:45 pm

Keep your health insurance current (no matter what the cost) or the IRS goons will be wanting to talk to you.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:45 pm

Won’t make a bit of difference one way or the other here at the Troll household… We’ve always been insured, and always will be. We’ve been covered by employers, and have covered ourselves…

Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common

June 28th, 2012
9:45 pm

DDR

that sounds great, but be careful or you will have to exercise your ass off to lose the fat content.

If you have to do that post the video ;-)

getalife

June 28th, 2012
9:46 pm

frog,

The bill is open to changes like Medicare.

All the con comments about Medicare turned out to be lies.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:47 pm

Of course covering ourselves is a lot like what Bruno said…

bman

June 28th, 2012
9:47 pm

Paul .. .. I’m pretty sure no one really knows how this will play out. There’s no way to find that answer here, or anywhere else.

No one knows.

fair and balanced

June 28th, 2012
9:47 pm

Limbaugh two years ago: “I HOPE HE FAILS” today” I wish he would quit winning”.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
9:48 pm

Keep your health insurance current (no matter what the cost) or the IRS goons will be wanting to talk to you.

And gasoline will continue to rise until the Nov. election where it will be $5-6 a gallon.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:49 pm

There’s a certain segment here that knows beyond a shadow of a doubt how this will play out… and by golly they’re right this time… even though their track record on prognostications is pretty poor…

Adam

June 28th, 2012
9:49 pm

No IRS goons will be coming for you if you don’t pay. They are forbidden by the same law to do that.

bman

June 28th, 2012
9:50 pm

Jamvet .. .. ohhhh. I should have known that. Then again, it took me a while to figure out what POTUS and SCOTUS meant….

geesh

Adam

June 28th, 2012
9:50 pm

Also if any con was to leave, I think it sucks that Bruno left. He wasn’t an idiot.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
9:51 pm

Again — To the liberals in this blog. I dare you to watch this video and then tell us all about how Barack promised not to raise taxes on families making $250K per year.

Yes – Facts, Video and Lies are inconvenient. In China they’d just block us from searching the net or jail us for daring to play video of our president.

Bring it whimps !!

Show us how it’s not a tax or how ObaMao promised it wouldn’t be a tax

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-ofjXrXio

bman

June 28th, 2012
9:51 pm

“No IRS goons will be coming for you if you don’t pay. They are forbidden by the same law to do that.”

What will happen if a person doesn’t pay? If there’s a “fine”, someone has to collect that fine, right?

DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming

June 28th, 2012
9:51 pm

Again with the misinformation and deliberate b@@stardization of Obama’s quote. Naturally you are a republican — someone who can’t even breathe without exhaling a damn lie…

You’re coming of age in a 24/7 media environment that bombards us with all kinds of content and exposes us to all kinds of arguments, some of which don’t always rank that high on the truth meter,” he told the students. “And with iPods and iPads, and Xboxes and PlayStations — none of which I know how to work — information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment, rather than a tool of empowerment, rather than the means of emancipation. So all of this is not only putting pressure on you; it’s putting new pressure on our country and on our democracy

Obama’s Commencement Address At Hampton University

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:52 pm

Families making 250K a year usually have insurance, so they won’t have to pay the fine…

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
9:52 pm

“And gasoline will continue to rise until the Nov. election where it will be $5-6 a gallon.”

Yeah, It must be the outstanding US economy bringing gas prices down, Right?

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
9:53 pm

getalife
true. and many changes
will be made. it was still
a win for our president.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:53 pm

BTW did you mean to say “whelps” or “wimps”??? Either way I’m fine with it, I just want to clarify…

Josef

June 28th, 2012
9:54 pm

bman

I see you saw ZamVet.’s response…

Obamacare Is Not A Tax

June 28th, 2012
9:54 pm

Yaay, the Democrat Proggies won! Now, let me tell you what’s going on in the board rooms of corporations and management offices of smaller companies: they are collectively asking themselves how the hell they are going to pay for this. Many are probably going to drop their private employee coverage altogether which will force the employees into that “tax” that Obama said it wasn’t.

And that will be just the start of a domino effect of this horrendous piece of fascist legislation. Next up in a few years will be declining quality of coverage, and eventually cuts to those who will be weeded out of the system: the elderly. The system will mandate that it is more important to spend on health care for the younger than the older. Who knows, maybe this new future Proggie Utopia will wind up turning out like Logan’s Run where no old people exist.

There is only one hope now: that this rampant disgrace to American Liberty and the Constitution will stir up enough Americans to get out and vote more Proggies out of office from the White House on down so Repubs can wipe this nightmare off the face of Washington through repeal. We have just four months to go, and the economy is not recovering and this SCOTUS decision will hurt it even more, especially with jobs. Timing is everything.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
9:55 pm

Yeah, It must be the outstanding US economy bringing gas prices down, Right?

Well, they are coming down as opposed to the erroneous prediction of someone here.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
9:55 pm

12, you guys blew it.

Had you nominated either Nutty Newt or Michelle Crazy Woman we would be looking $2.50/gallon smack in the eyes.

But nooooooooooo.

LOL…

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
9:55 pm

Everybody knows if it’s on the interwebs, it’s got to be true…. right?…right???

getalife

June 28th, 2012
9:55 pm

I believe if it fails to control costs, government will finally catch up to the rest of the civilized world and Canada will stop teasing us about health care because we will have it too.

DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming

June 28th, 2012
9:56 pm

Common – The majority of what I make is low fat and vegetarian. My sister just had a baby so she’s trying to loose weight. My brother in law NEEDS to loose weight, and my aunt will eat anything that I fix, (even BEFORE I took cooking classes — she’s special).

Now when I go to visit mom-n-law in south Georgia, well, that’s another story!! I’ll make sure to jog every day and do at least 200 sit ups!!

And I won’t even have to post the video!

Jm

June 28th, 2012
9:57 pm

Frog 9:41 perhaps…..

Tbs – I took you for a sane dude. Apparently not

Obamacare Is Not A Tax

June 28th, 2012
9:58 pm

“No IRS goons will be coming for you if you don’t pay. They are forbidden by the same law to do that.”

Oh sure. I believe that about as much as I believed Obama’s claim that Obamacare would “only” cost $800 billion. Of course, the CBO has doubled that estimate and it’s over a year before even being implemented. America – the next socialist Greece meltdown experiment.

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
9:58 pm

I bet John Roberts feels like a real BOOB tonight.

getalife

June 28th, 2012
9:59 pm

frog,

In his speech, he listed all the good things in the bill.

corporate media ignores the good and focused on the word tax.

cnn and fox reported the mandate was struck down and the President was watching.

corporate media needs a big shake up and new voices that does not just focus on conflicts.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
9:59 pm

Tbs – I took you for a sane dude. Apparently not

Classy.

(You make it too easy, hijo!)

Chuckle…

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
9:59 pm

Blow your tubas about my typos ….

None of the liberal, Obamotz can answer the question about, “Is this a tax?” and did Obama argue it wasn’t a tax.

Itz a tax.

Video sux for hypocrite, moonbat, zombie Obama zealots.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
10:00 pm

“Timing is everything.”

Yep. Why do you think most obamacare provisions don’t go into effect until obama’s theoretical second term?

Adam

June 28th, 2012
10:01 pm

bman: What will happen if a person doesn’t pay? If there’s a “fine”, someone has to collect that fine, right?

As it happens, no. Of course it will probably be mostly automatically collected from withholding in most places.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
10:01 pm

We got a straggler…

Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common

June 28th, 2012
10:02 pm

All this ruling does is say that everyone is to have health insurance,

If they can’t afford it they are against the wall.

Medicaid doesn’t cover everyone.

Until single payer goes into effect there will be that fall through the gaps.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
10:03 pm

Oh sure. I believe that about as much as I believed Obama’s claim that Obamacare would “only” cost $800 billion

Oh FFS. Do I have to do ALL your research for you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHiz4hazV94

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
10:03 pm

If you have Health Insurance you pay no fine, or tax…, for you Faux news junkies and Dittoheads who can’t think for yourselves…

DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming

June 28th, 2012
10:03 pm

Well I’m out. Good night All. Happy Thursday.

Oh wait in order to celebrate this momentous occassion, here’s my musical tribute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNQXQKflJNA

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
10:03 pm

OH NOES! HIDE THE CHIRREN! LOCK UP THE WIMMEN! IT’S A TAX!

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
10:03 pm

jm

I was responding to your original comments

Don’t twist. You are not Chubby Checker

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
10:04 pm

It’s a tax

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
10:04 pm

TaxPayer

June 28th, 2012
10:04 pm

It’s only a tax if you have to pay it.

Jay

June 28th, 2012
10:05 pm

It is instructive how quickly the right has segued from “it’s unconstitutional!” to “it’s a tax!” They move so seamlessly from one argument to another.

TaxPayer

June 28th, 2012
10:06 pm

Obviously, Republicans will be taxed. They should really think about just getting themselves insured.

Oscar

June 28th, 2012
10:06 pm

Adam

June 28th, 2012
10:01 pm
_____

I believe the IRS takes it out of your tax refund. And if you are entitled to a susidy the IRS sends it after you file.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
10:06 pm

For the sheep/leaches who don’t care if it’s a tax –

Obama lied to 350 million Americans.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
10:07 pm

Orange 12 quite possibly

Getalife – links on the “good” things Roberts said?

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
10:07 pm

It’s a pathology…

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
10:07 pm

Jay – It’s ironic you’ll excuse the video where Obama lied.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
10:08 pm

Obama lied to 350 million Americans.

Kinda like, the smoking gun is the mushroom cloud?

Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common

June 28th, 2012
10:08 pm

Jay

Do you have any bourbon to spare the numb nuts are getting to me, :-)

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
10:08 pm

Yes, the GOP’s Elaine dance takes a new twist.

A dizzying lot, to be sure…

Brosephus™

June 28th, 2012
10:09 pm

Oscar

I always think of old as ten years more then I am.

I used to think that, until the guy in the mirror started looking like somebody’s daddy. :)

————-

NoCom

I think you stumbled onto the cure for healthcare issues. Rotgut bourbon for everybody!!!! :lol:

Time for me to hang up my keyboard for the night now….

Catch y’all later.

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
10:09 pm

“bman: What will happen if a person doesn’t pay? If there’s a “fine”, someone has to collect that fine, right?”

Deducted from anything you get when filing at the end of the year (if you are lucky enough to have anything coming back at the end of the year). If not they will probably tack on a nice late fee which keeps on growing until it’s paid in full. That’s usually the way IRS works.

Paul

June 28th, 2012
10:09 pm

bman

“Paul .. .. I’m pretty sure no one really knows how this will play out. There’s no way to find that answer here, or anywhere else.

No one knows.”

Some things are known.

The rate at which the feds will support the states for Medicaid spending.

How much it won’t cost families if they get a catastrophic illness with a game-playing insurance company under the old system – the cost of lifetime savings, home equity, draining retirement savings.

That one can count on some money being spent – for a child or grandchild who, because of preexisting conditions, was not before insurable.

For a lot of people, that’s what they can count on.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
10:09 pm

Reconciliation

If the Rs keep the House and gain a one vote majority in the Senate and POTUS Romney — Obamacare is vaporized.

Rightwing Troll

June 28th, 2012
10:10 pm

These wingnuts put that whole riverdance thing to shame…

Adam

June 28th, 2012
10:11 pm

That tax argument isn’t going to change anything. And now that the Democrats are going to start selling it (finally) more people will start to like it. That poll number people kept trotting out? About to start DROPPING.

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
10:12 pm

wingnuts turn left or right.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
10:12 pm

Obamacare = HOPE and CHANGE.

That hopey changey thing is working out REAL GOOD right now.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
10:12 pm

Nanny, Nanny, Boo, Boo

We’re just gettin’ warmed up… Stay Tuned

getalife

June 28th, 2012
10:13 pm

willard wants to keep the good things in the bill if you listened to him today.

That is not a repeal cons.

He is lying.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
10:13 pm

Five Thirty Eight predicts approx. 3.1 new electoral votes for Obama since last week.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
10:13 pm

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
10:14 pm

Will the cons take their morning after pills tomorrow?

Cuz they sure got “screwed” today! (By one of their own, no less!)

getalife

June 28th, 2012
10:15 pm

frog,

wingnuts turn right.

moonbats turn left.

Paul

June 28th, 2012
10:16 pm

“But it’s a tax!”

So what?

“But Obama said it wasn’t a tax!”

So what?

“But he said it wasn’t!”

The Supremes said it is.

“But Obama lied!!!”

He gave his opinion. The Supremes gave theirs. Supremes trump all.

geesh…… I forgot what it was like having preschoolers in the house.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
10:16 pm

Will the cons take their morning after pills tomorrow?

Cuz they sure got “screwed” today! (By one of their own, no less!)

Nah, they welcomed a new “person” to the family.

Oscar

June 28th, 2012
10:17 pm

“Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment” – BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
10:09 pm
__________

A one vote majority in the senate amounts to deadlock. It takes sixty votes to bring a bill to a vote there. In effect, it taxes sixty votes in the senate to pass a bill.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
10:19 pm

Paul, actually the mandate is not a tax. The penalty for not having insurance is a tax. An unenforceable tax.

Paul

June 28th, 2012
10:19 pm

Hey Kamchak

That quote, for all the ridicule it received, was straight out of the DoD’s war colleges and high-level planning instructions. Doesn’t surprise me at all a SecDef would refer to them.

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
10:19 pm

getalife
if a wingnut only turned
right you couldn’t unscrew
it after you screwed it. i
have never screwed a
moonbat.

Ronnie Raygun

June 28th, 2012
10:20 pm

How sad, a tax on freeloaders. Why would cons be upset about that? Unless they’re the freeloaders.

Paul

June 28th, 2012
10:20 pm

Adam

I’m sure those still not reconciled to reality will say all of Obamacare is a tax.

Oscar

June 28th, 2012
10:20 pm

Romney is still saying he will give an exemption to all states which means repeal the whole bill. That means going back to pre-existing conditions.
With deadlock in the senate, there is no way another bill is going to pass anytime soon.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
10:21 pm

For the lunatix who tried to arrest Karl Rove I have a message.

Eric Holder is now in Criminal Contempt of Congress.

Nancy Pelosi’s little jail cell in the Capitol oubliette is ready for him. he can have a Koran, prayer rug and Halal meals.

Paul

June 28th, 2012
10:21 pm

Raygun

“How sad, a tax on freeloaders. Why would cons be upset about that? Unless they’re the freeloaders”

Maybe they’re confused and think the people not paying any tax are those thousand or so millionaires JamVet cites and they’re mad Obama’s gonna tax them?

Adam

June 28th, 2012
10:22 pm

Paul: I’m sure those still not reconciled to reality will say all of Obamacare is a tax.

Like I said before, it’s moot. The tax argument isn’t going to sway public pinion any more than the constant attack on the whole darn thing from day one.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
10:24 pm

Video is a biatch !!!

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
10:25 pm

Info

Holder is not the 1st to be held in “contempt”. If you think he will be charged with a crime, I have some ocean front property to show you in Cumming Ga

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
10:25 pm

Info Meat, you are just the last in a long line of Republican meltdowns here today. Some bordering on the spectacular.

You boys had better find a way to buck up.

Because the prediction for the rest of the year is…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1TxiVhrkZA

Live me some Reagan

June 28th, 2012
10:27 pm

Info

Like many cons today, you are crying like a biatch

It will be ok.

I know the talk show host, blogs, Fox, etc sold you that Obamacare was not constitutional and YOU willingly as usual ate it up, but don’t be mad at others. You have your own ignorance and gullibility to blame

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
10:29 pm

Doggone/GA

June 28th, 2012
8:28 pm
++++++++++++++++++++
Doggone, thanks for the feed back. I have bookmarked it. I want my Jordan to have a companion. If I go with a CC, she will probably out weigh him by about 15 to 20 lbs ( hes about 115).

Thanks for the advice.

Soothsayer

June 28th, 2012
10:29 pm

I don’t know how old any of you are nor would I have any way of knowing how old you are.

But, I will tell you this, once you reach 50, be prepared for your insurance premiums to skyrocket.

“Oh, I not worried, I’m covered at work.” Guess what? Higher insurance costs are the reason many employers let workers go in their 50s.

It’s especially bad if you’re self-employed. When my insurance reached $500 a month, I simply had to let it go. I don’t have $500 a month.

As I mentioned earlier, I estimate (based on past increases) that my insurance now would be approximately $750 a month. That’s bumping up against what my mortgage costs.

You young folks, enjoy it while you’re young. You face a harsh reality when you get older.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 28th, 2012
10:30 pm

Cammie !!!

You’re back !

getalife

June 28th, 2012
10:31 pm

“i
have never screwed a
moonbat.”

I have, I prefer my women to be very liberal in bed.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 28th, 2012
10:32 pm

JamVet @ 10:14

If I had to choose between winning today and winning in November ……………. it’s no contest.

This could turn out to be a total blessing in disquise with Obama defeated and a repeal of “Obamacare” to boot.

Time will tell ………………. time will tell.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
10:36 pm

Scout

Today is a long way from November, bu the polls didn’t show any adverse impact

just sayn

Mr_B

June 28th, 2012
10:36 pm

“Enacting single payer healthcare kills the private sector insurance industry.”

To quote the Melancholy Prince: “A consummation devoutly to be wish’d”

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
10:36 pm

TBG

Whats up? when are we going to have a beer. Rightie and leftie. We can exchange emails via jay

Adam

June 28th, 2012
10:37 pm

This could turn out to be a total blessing in disquise with Obama defeated and a repeal of “Obamacare” to boot.

From Five Thirty Eight:

With due respect, I think this counterintuitive conclusion is too cute by half. It may involve the same sort of wishful thinking that liberals were guilty of when some began to argue that the court striking the health care bill would actually help Mr. Obama politically.

….

…continued dissatisfaction over the health care bill was presumably already priced into the polls. A decision that upholds the status quo is not likely to change that much.

To the extent there are marginal effects of the court’s decision, they would seem to be positive for Mr. Obama. The framework of the bill has now been endorsed by the court, including by John G. Roberts Jr., the relatively conservative and relatively well-respected Chief Justice who wrote the majority opinion.

barking frog

June 28th, 2012
10:38 pm

getalife
moonbats may be liberal in
bed but wingnuts go both
ways

bman

June 28th, 2012
10:39 pm

Paul .. .. I sorta meant no one really knows how this will turn out meaning, the economic part.

cloudodust

June 28th, 2012
10:41 pm

This new ‘law’ will now be honed to give yet another free ride to those that were already on the presidential free ride express, i.e. waivers for the huddled masses that huddle to demand more free rides. The moochers will continue to mooch for they know no other way of life…

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
10:41 pm

bman @ 10:39

that is most certainly correct

getalife

June 28th, 2012
10:41 pm

frog,

Good one :)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 28th, 2012
10:41 pm

They BOTH suck:

I hear you ……………. we shall see.

Adam

June 28th, 2012
10:44 pm

The moochers will continue to mooch for they know no other way of life…

This is crazy. In the mind of a conservative, a person who pays a tax is still a moocher. WTF people.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
10:44 pm

The haters make me smile… Thanx for ignoring the facts and proving my points.

Stix and Stones….

Video sux for y’all and the only thing I see is that you dimwitz insult me and evade the truth, “It’s not a tax……..” —- BULLSHIZZZZZ

Bang ur gongs. Hit ur bongs. Ask mommy for $10 so you can stock up on crappy beer (If ur over 21) and a QT burrito.

Congressman David Scott is almost here… I ordered a slutty whore and they’re sending me my rep from Congress….

Whoopie !!!

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
10:45 pm

If I had to choose between winning today and winning in November ……………. it’s no contest.

No worries. You’re going to lose that one too.

bman

June 28th, 2012
10:47 pm

how do the people who are here illegally fit into all of this? Is there something in the bill that touches on this?

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
10:47 pm

Info meat is getting close to critical mass.

Pretty soon ……………… Thar she blows!

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
10:47 pm

Maybe Obama will tack a new $5.00 tax on a pack of smokes or on a six pack. Man, that would be the beginning of the end. I wonder if he still fires up or really quit?

getalife

June 28th, 2012
10:48 pm

The godfather speaks:

“You know what, the Supreme Court did what it thought best. I believe in that process, whether I agree with it or not,” said Rick Santelli, CNBC’s on-air editor, on CNBC on Thursday after the Supreme Court ruled in a 5-4 decision that the Affordable Care Act was constitutional. “I challenge the conservatives in Congress to take this decision with respect. With respect!”

Good luck with that.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
10:50 pm

Scout

As I have stated, Obamacare is nothing great. I do see it as a step forward but nothing special

Bush and the Repub Congress had six yrs and punted. Now the Repubs are mad. Obama did allow more provisions, as Jay as highlighted, than most on the right will admit. With that said Obama did want a bill and wanted it fast. Too fast in my opinion.

Politics is nothing new. Founding Fathers fought tooth and nail even before we were a country.

healthcare /insurance as it is, is a fiasco for a country of our stature. We should lead the pack for all.

I can only hope that both D and R work to tweak this into a viable bill. And yes that means Dems comprising from what is the current law

getalife

June 28th, 2012
10:50 pm

Orange,

After he watched cnn and fox report the mandate failed, he probably could use one.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
10:51 pm

Orange

After today’s ruling he might be burning a “fat one”

:-)

Josef

June 28th, 2012
10:51 pm

If we’re trading bloggers with Kyle, we got the raw end of the deal….

Paul

June 28th, 2012
10:51 pm

bman

ah, gotcha. Good point.

There was one thing for sure, though – not doing anything, just leaving things to run as they were a few years ago was a wee bit of a problem.

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
10:52 pm

This is better then watching “wrasslin” on Monday night. Tick, Tick, Tick. the Obamacare clock is off and running.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
10:52 pm

josef

I agree

Paul

June 28th, 2012
10:54 pm

bman

“how do the people who are here illegally fit into all of this? Is there something in the bill that touches on this?”

Yes – they don’t fit in. Bill specifically excludes them.

I wonder if Republicans want to repeal that,too?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
10:55 pm

With that said Obama did want a bill and wanted it fast. Too fast in my opinion.

Yep, he wussed out on single payer.

But this age we now live in is super fast and 24/7.

JamVet

June 28th, 2012
10:56 pm

Man, I love the smell of outraged neocons in the evening.

It’s the smell of …………………………………….. victory.

And with that I bid you ladies, gentlemen and Republicans, sweet dreams…

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
10:56 pm

JamVet — Thanx fur the lurve.

Are you still sitting on your porch barking at the moon and the mailman?

Sigh…..

Video playback sux 4 u. Please keep banging on your keyboard and convincing the sane folks in this blog that you are from Planet Dipstick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-ofjXrXio

Tell us all how this is charade made up by Faux Newz

Hang on …. The nurse will get to your diaper in a few minutes…..

Paul

June 28th, 2012
10:56 pm

Josef

“If we’re trading bloggers with Kyle, we got the raw end of the deal….”

Kyle’s a lucky guy, eh?

Anywho, just got the last bit of work out, I’m beat and I think I’ll go float in the pool for a bit. With these days it’s almost like a hot tub.

See you in the morning for round two of “but it’s a tax!!! Obama said so!!!! Taaaaaxxxxxx!!!!!!”

Pleasant evening, all -

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
10:57 pm

TGT

June 28th, 2012
10:59 pm

In honor of today’s ruling, I give you:

Barack’s Candy Mountains (sung to Big Rock Candy Mountains)

One evening as the sun went down and the American Dream was burning,
Down the track came a hobo hiking and he said boys I’m not turning.
I’m headin’ for a land not so far away just across the Grande Fountains.
So come with me, we’ll go and see Barack’s Candy Mountains

In Barack’s Candy Mountains there’s a land that’s fair and bright,
Where the food stamps grow on bushes and you step out every night,
Where the TEA Parties are all empty and the sun shines every day
On the birds and the bees and the marijuana trees,
Where the lemonade springs where Common sings
In Barack’s Candy Mountains.

In Barack’s Candy Mountains all the cops have sold their guns,
And the president claims privilege while Holder is all but done.
The tax coffers are full of loot and ACORN is flush with dough.
Oh, I’m bound to go where there ain’t no snow,
’Cause Al Gore says that Global Warming is so
In Barack’s Candy Mountains.

In Barack’s Candy Mountains you never sell your stocks,
And the little babies in the womb never get to wear their socks.
The conservatives have to tip their hats and the talk show hosts are mute.
There’s a lake of stew and of Honest Tea too,
You can find them all at the gay wedding ball
In Barack’s Candy Mountains.

In Barack’s Candy Mountains the doctors all are free,
And you can walk right in their office any time you please.

There ain’t no nuclear power plants, no oil or gas or coal.
I’m a goin’ to stay where you sleep all day,
Where they hung the jerk that invented work
In Barack’s Candy Mountains.

I’ll see you all next coming fall to bring down Barack’s Candy Mountains.

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
11:00 pm

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
10:36 pm

TBG

Whats up? when are we going to have a beer. Rightie and leftie. We can exchange emails via jay
_________________________________________________
TBS, my man. What’s good? Staying cool I hope.
“Rightie and Leftie”? You gonna play both parts? :lol:

I’m open. Just not this Sat. I’m going to a taping of Family Feud with my ex.

Other than that, I’m open. I’m on the south side, by the airport.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:00 pm

TGT

and I give you a tissue or ten

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:03 pm

TGT

Don’t know where you got that

But it’s not very useful to the discussion

Then again, dialogue of substance doesn’t occur here

bman

June 28th, 2012
11:03 pm

Paul

“Yes – they don’t fit in. Bill specifically excludes them.

I wonder if Republicans want to repeal that,too?”

If the bill excludes those who are here illegally, how will they be able to contribute ? I’m sure there is something somewhere in the bill that mentions it?

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
11:04 pm

Adam

June 28th, 2012
10:44 pm

The moochers will continue to mooch for they know no other way of life…

This is crazy. In the mind of a conservative, a person who pays a tax is still a moocher. WTF people.
________________________________________________________________________
But, according to what I read, they don’t HAVE to pay the tax. NO enforcement. And 25 million STILL without insurance. This bill sucks.

I understand it, but it still sucks.

UHC is the only way to go.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:05 pm

Jay

Please see TBGs post @ 11:00 and my 10:36 Please send TBG my email address so we can connect off line. Thanks and appreciate you doing so, if you will.

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
11:05 pm

“Yes – they don’t fit in.Bill specifically excludes them.

I wonder if Republicans want to repeal that,too?”

It only affects them if a Gov. agency is doing a study on a particular portion of their illegal life IE: health related, economic ramifications etc. Paul is right, it has no direct impact as far as illegals collecting Gov. mandated healthcare.

Jay is dumber than dumb

June 28th, 2012
11:05 pm

Socialism rocks!!!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
11:05 pm

In honor of today’s ruling, I give you:

Barack’s Candy Mountains

Ruh, roh.

There went your anonymity, Trevor.

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
11:08 pm

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
11:08 pm

“If the bill excludes those who are here illegally, how will they be able to contribute ? I’m sure there is something somewhere in the bill that mentions it?”

bman, they will keep using ERs, stealing identities, stuff like that.

Jay is dumber than dumb

June 28th, 2012
11:09 pm

Can’t wait til ObamaSocialistCare starts rationing those little pain pills to granny Barry so sympathetically talked about during his first campaign!!! LOL!!!!!!

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:09 pm

TBG

And yes I guess I’m burning both ends of the candle

While Obamcare is not the “fix”, it moves the ball further down the field then Repubs would have ever moved it. “Repeal and replace”? A rallying cry after the fact.

Hope Obama, if reelected, and the Repub House(which will be intact) can work to modify and revise a half ass law into positive results. yes, wishful thinking, but I can “KEEP HOPE ALIVE”, cant I?

:-)

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
11:09 pm

I doubt the Thug from the imaginary Steppes could do 25 pushups.

Hey Kammie — Comic Book or Fantasy Game nerds can type real good. Too bad them catz ain’t got no game other than cyber existence.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
11:10 pm

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:11 pm

Jay is dumber than dumb

June 28th, 2012
11:11 pm

What’s next? Telling us what kind of lightbulbs we can use, what cars we should own, taking salt and large soda drinks away, rummaging through our children’s school lunches? Ooopps, wait, nevermind!!! LOL!!!

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:12 pm

“I doubt the Thug from the imaginary Steppes could do 25 pushups.”

And your own post behind your desk and keyboard shows you can do how many?

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:12 pm

“Hope Obama, if reelected, and the Repub House(which will be intact) can work to modify and revise a half ass law into positive results. yes, wishful thinking, but I can “KEEP HOPE ALIVE”, cant I?”

Wishful is one way to put it.

So is naive and clueless.

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
11:12 pm

For, getalife, Kam, JamVet, and others.

Is it more important that the “right” loses or that Americans win?

Would all of America’s problems go away if all “cons”/repub were teleported to planet kablob or where ever?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
11:12 pm

Comic Book or Fantasy Game nerds can type real good.

Carpenters with two crushed fingers however have a hard time of it.

Thank you for your concern, BTW.

Jay is dumber than dumb

June 28th, 2012
11:13 pm

So since Barry spent 2 years lecturing to the country that his Socialist mandate wasn’t a tax, and we learned today it actually is, what now???? LOL!!!

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:13 pm

Jm

This from the same guy all day, hey lets tax fat so, people with this, people with that

boy you are funny and yes I said boy

Jay is dumber than dumb

June 28th, 2012
11:14 pm

American’s problems would all go away if all “Comms/leftists” were teleported to planet kablob or where ever!!! LOL!!!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
11:15 pm

Is it more important that the “right” loses or that Americans win?

That you see that as an either/or speaks volumes.

Would all of America’s problems go away if all “cons”/repub were teleported to planet kablob or where ever?

No. What a silly question. :roll:

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)

June 28th, 2012
11:15 pm

I guess Pres John F Kennedy(Democrat/War Hero) famous words, “Ask not want your country can do for you but what you can do for your country”!! Boy, has the Democrat moochers changed so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:16 pm

Jay is dumber than dumb

Your moniker could use some more creative flair…..

Surely you have something better…..

Like: jay is dumber than a tax on people too poor to buy health insurance

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:16 pm

Jm

you are the same cry baby yearning for jay’s attention as you were before today….

nothing new, son

you need a new gig.

there are times you try, but you can’t get out of the doldrums

You saved a few dollars in FL but the wife wants to come home (your words, not mine) but your pride can’t do it.

It is ok

dont rain on my parade…. enjoy your 10k

Jay is dumber than dumb

June 28th, 2012
11:17 pm

Since the Supreme Court deprived the Obama sheep this November with their talking points, where else will the current Communist occupation find their aimless emotional, misguided anger to rally their government dependent minions? LOL!!!

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:17 pm

Tbs

I believe in taxing fatties

And apparently it’s constitutional

What’s your problem? You a fatty?

Jay is dumber than dumb

June 28th, 2012
11:18 pm

@JM

I’m only on here to please you dear Madam!!! Your creativity is what a strive for on a minute by minute basis!!! LOL!!!!

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:19 pm

Just let me know next time you are in the Inman Park / L5P area

You can see for yourself

You self absorbed punk biatch

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:19 pm

Tbs

I could care less about jay other than his dispersion of stupidity

Sorry you’re jealous of my low taxes :)

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
11:20 pm

Most carps are useful idiots. No wonder you got flat fingers.

If you put effort into thought your fingers might still be OK.

That SSI disability check obviously pays for your internet connex. You should petition Obama for free mental health incarceration.

Du Hast Mich?

Jay is dumber than dumb

June 28th, 2012
11:21 pm

I believe every bleeding heart leftwing basket case that wants to tell everyone else how to spend their money should lead by example. Tax yourselves 75% and give it straight to Big Brother. You should also be forced to “adopt” 5 illegal families that are currently living here. You should pay for all their medical bills and cover any taxes that they are dodging by not being in the system!!! LOL!!!

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:21 pm

Location, dates and times

Jm

Outside of that

peace

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:21 pm

Tbs

Look for me at the Inman park fest

I’ll be there

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)

June 28th, 2012
11:21 pm

Is Adam and Kamchak really two different people or one in the same?? Perhaps dumb and dumber would be more appropriate? Just kiddin guys, lighten up!!

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
11:23 pm

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:09 pm

TBG

And yes I guess I’m burning both ends of the candle _ same here, cuz, same here.

While Obamcare is not the “fix”, it moves the ball further down the field then Repubs would have ever moved it. – I agree completely, and it’s one of the reasons that I turned my back on that party.

“Repeal and replace”? A rallying cry after the fact. – True, but what they are proposing to “replace it with is more of the same with “secret sauce” on it (ACA is more of the same with “special sauce” on it”

Hope Obama, if reelected, and the Repub House(which will be intact) can work to modify and revise a half ass law into positive results. – If the extremes on BOTH sides are not “castrated” politically, it wont happen. And we will be left with a bill that does a disservice to “We the People”.

yes, wishful thinking, but I can “KEEP HOPE ALIVE”, cant I? – this bill put Hope in critical condition.

Universal is the only way to go.

*pressing back of hand to forehead* Am I still a “con”? Where am I?

Why can’t I march in lockstep like some say we do?

I want my Mommy :lol:

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:23 pm

“Location, dates and times”

I don’t fight the mentally handicapped.

Jay is dumber than dumb

June 28th, 2012
11:23 pm

So now that the Supreme Court made Barry a liar and have clarified that ObamaSocialistCare is the biggest tax increase in world history what next??? LOL!!!

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
11:23 pm

TBS is going to general quarters!

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:24 pm

Jay is dumber than dumb

June 28th, 2012
11:24 pm

A blog fight!?!?!? Uh oh!!! LOL!!!!

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:25 pm

Jay is

Tbs is thin skinned

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
11:25 pm

TBS & JM,

Wait until Monday night. Then you guys can Wrassle!

Jay is dumber than dumb

June 28th, 2012
11:26 pm

Why do I get the impression that most Democrat operatives were kinda hoping the mandate would get struck down so they can have something to fuel the flames in November???? LOL!!!

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:26 pm

TBG: we are good……………. two different ends working to make a difference

Jm: you are as weak as the pathetic cries you make to Jay.
run along. No need to be alone, there are several lefty loons on here that meet the same criteria

:-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
11:27 pm

That SSI disability check obviously pays for your internet connex.

Obviously?

You really should ask for a refund of whatever online correspondence school that gave you a diploma for psychics as it is not worth the electrons taking up space on your hard drive.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:27 pm

Tbs

Lighten up tough guy

Then again, as an Inman park dude, you may already be light in the loafs

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:28 pm

“I could careless about jay……………………”

your frequent attendance begs to differ

he has you hook, line and sinker…… you don’t even know it

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
11:28 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
11:15 pm

No. What a silly question. :roll:
______________________________
You know what Kam, you are right, and I’m sorry.

A combo of a long day and Flour De Cana.

Not an excuse, just a reason.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:28 pm

Jm

just let me know……………..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
11:29 pm

Is Adam and Kamchak really two different people or one in the same??

Two different people.

This has been another episode of three word answers to a simple(ton’s) question.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:29 pm

orange

maybe a loser leaves town or a pillow fight

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:31 pm

Tbs

My frequent attendance is entertainment

Nothing more

This is the kiddie pool of think tanks

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
11:32 pm

A combo of a long day and Flour[sic] De Cana.

Flor de Caña — a truly exceptional rum.

I’m jealous.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:34 pm

“This is the kiddie pool of think tanks”

With the biggest kid being you many times, yes

but carry on

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
11:35 pm

Make that “Flor De Cana”

Soothsayer

June 28th, 2012
11:36 pm

Well, is it the heat or the phase of the moon? Seems like everybody wants to have a fist-fight.

I think everybody should take a step back and a deep breath.

A little less inflammatory language wouldn’t hurt, either.

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
11:36 pm

“maybe a loser leaves town or a pillow fight”

TBS, No. Cage match! Give the people what they want, give the people what they need.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:38 pm

Orange

I’m good with that or we can go ole skool 70s ATL TBS wraslin and do a cowbell or bunkhouse match

Jay is dumber than dumb

June 28th, 2012
11:38 pm

@Soothsayer

I say it’s the crawling distance away the country is from becoming a full fledge Socialist nation!!! LOL!!!

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:39 pm

Tbs

I just pee in the pool every so often

But don’t confuse yourself, this is the liberal pool, of which I’m not a part

I don’t swim with the kiddies, I’m just standing on the edge of the pool

Have fun

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)

June 28th, 2012
11:39 pm

Kamchak@11:29 – I think you need Time-Out or a butt-whipping, your choice?? Do not mean blog fight either Kammie!! I really dislike what you stand for!!

Steve

June 28th, 2012
11:40 pm

Eric Holder found in Contempt….Bbbbbbboooooommmmmm…suck on that liberals!!!!

Soothsayer

June 28th, 2012
11:40 pm

Whatever you say Little Davy.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
11:40 pm

Oh course Kamchak of Gor, the make believe fantasy geek who lives in a cyber universe instead of reality, wants to thump me.

Epic Fail #2 — KammieBabyFool

Obviously — You, and your friend who you’ve decided to speak for, are from Planet Dipstick.

Here’s the video again — Explain it to us genius… Please elaborate and give us fellow typists something worthwhile to read and argue about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-ofjXrXio

I dare you to match up ….

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:40 pm

Orange

I’m nothing special, but Jm likes to bow up and talk the talk, but his walking usually doesn’t match up

Me included, all the regulars, to some degree can get out of hand, but he is the guy in the crowd who likes to press the buttons……. until it goes down, then it is where are the police and my friends

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
11:41 pm

TBS, re: Jm. You are better than that. Jm, not so much.

Kam, most people that I run across have no idea what it is.
Why you trying to make me like you? 8)

J/K

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
11:41 pm

“I’m good with that or we can go ole skool 70s ATL TBS wraslin and do a cowbell or bunkhouse match”

JM, Outstanding, I knew you would come up with something imaginative. Keep up the good work.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:41 pm

Jm

you are an addict…… Its ok,

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
11:42 pm

Shall we call this decision a “lucky win” for Obama? Judge for yourself:

In an interview with George Stephanoupoulos, Obama absolutely rejected the idea of the federal mandate being a tax.

STEPHANOPOULOS: You were against the individual mandate…
OBAMA: Yes.
STEPHANOPOULOS: …during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?
OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here — here’s what’s happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average — our families — in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I’ve said is that if you can’t afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn’t be punished for that. That’s just piling on. If, on the other hand, we’re giving tax credits, we’ve set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we’ve driven down the costs, we’ve done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you’ve just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that’s…
STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it’s still a tax increase.
OBAMA: No. That’s not true, George. The — for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it’s saying is, is that we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I’m not covering all the costs.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy…
OBAMA: No, but — but, George, you — you can’t just make up that language and decide that that’s called a tax increase. Any…
STEPHANOPOULOS: Here’s the…
OBAMA: What — what — if I — if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that’s not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don’t want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then…
STEPHANOPOULOS: I — I don’t think I’m making it up. Merriam Webster’s Dictionary: Tax — “a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes.”
OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam’s Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you’re stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what…
STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but…
OBAMA: …what you’re saying is…
STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.
OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I’m taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we’re going to have an individual mandate or not, but…
STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it’s a tax increase?
OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:42 pm

Tbs, the tough guy with a wicked 100 WPM typing skills

And an ergonomic keyboard

Terrifying

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:42 pm

TBG

I hear ya and thank you.

I’m done. Thanks again

TGT

June 28th, 2012
11:43 pm

There went your anonymity

Don’t think so. (Just forgot the italics.)

Soothsayer

June 28th, 2012
11:43 pm

Jm: it has been said — discretion is the better part of valor. Which means chose your enemies wisely lest you are defeated.

Some good advice: back off and back down and back out.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
11:44 pm

…wants to thump me.

Um, no.

You don’t occupy that much space on my “to do” list.

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
11:44 pm

Uh Oh, looks like Tom is going off also.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:44 pm

Jm

invite is open

Good night and and even better tomorrow to all

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:45 pm

“where are the police and my friends”

Good luck with that. I could care less what the liberal cabal has to say about me

If I did, I’d have left long ago

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
11:45 pm

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)

June 28th, 2012
11:39 pm

Kamchak@11:29 – I think you need Time-Out or a butt-whipping, your choice?? Do not mean blog fight either Kammie!! I really dislike what you stand for!!
_______________________________________________________
How is it that you feel comfortable saying that?!?!

Because you disagree with Kam’s political views, you want to “TRY” to kick his ass?

That’s just sad.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:45 pm

Tbs

Come n down pal

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
11:47 pm

Iz that a bock, bock, bock chicken little KammieGirlieMan?

Tell us all how this worx…. Is it a tax? Did Obama say it wasn’t?

Yes or No

I dare you to type a serious and well thought paragraph.

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
11:47 pm

Again, I don’t have a problem with a “mandate” in some form, but if the man who lead the charge for healthcare reform with a JD in Constitutional Law didn’t even recognize what a former press secretary and journalist (liberal leaning and not a stupid man) did, what does that say about the “wisdom” (to use Robert’s word) of this Act?

iTiSi

June 28th, 2012
11:47 pm

Actually, “Mr. Bookworm”, Romney could not have asked for a better day. This decision just put the final nail in the coffin of one arrogant, egotistical, self-serving President. He is done, stick a fork in him. This is like handing the election to MR on a “platter”. There will be so many people “mad as old wet hens” come November than there are even now. Can’t wait for the next poll to come out.

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
11:47 pm

TBS & JM,

Fun is fun, but you guys need to cool off. I don’t really want to be reading about you guys in the AJC. Besides, manup, and and leave it alone. Good Advice.

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
11:48 pm

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)

June 28th, 2012
11:39 pm

Kamchak@11:29 – I think you need Time-Out or a butt-whipping, your choice?? Do not mean blog fight either Kammie!! I really dislike what you stand for!!
_________________________________________________
Do you want to fight everyone whose position you disagree with?

If so, you better thank God for Obamacare. I see a lot of ass wuppinz in your future. :evil:

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
11:48 pm

Don’t think so. (Just forgot the italics.)

Geez, all I had to do was google it, and it directed me to your blogspot site.

Not really necessary to have an undergraduate degree in physics from North Ga. College to do the googledy thing.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:49 pm

Obamalogic-

When do we get to tax the homeless?

They’re a burden on the system.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
11:50 pm

I dare you to type a serious and well thought paragraph.

Socialism –BOO!

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:50 pm

Orange

The dude’s probably all coked up

He should try beer instead

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
11:51 pm

bock bock bock bock……

Where’s the chickencowarddumba$$?

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
11:51 pm

bock bock bock bock……

Where’s the chickencowarddumba$$?

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
11:51 pm

Soundbite in upcoming Romney ad:

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it’s a tax increase?
OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:51 pm

Non gun owners need the cops more.

When are we going to tax them?

Just curious.

That Black Guy

June 28th, 2012
11:52 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 28th, 2012
11:44 pm

…wants to thump me.

Um, no.

You don’t occupy that much space on my “to do” list.
___________________________________________________
:shock:

Daymn, thass funnie.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:53 pm

Jm

Keep crying……….. Keep trying

It is you who yearns for Jay’s attention day after day, after day

Jay, why didn’t you say this
Jay, this publication said this and you didn’t mention it
Jay, I live in Atlanta, now if Florida and I know best

jay, Im leaving the US for better conditiosn

jay, I haven’t left but,but, but

jay

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:53 pm

Information

Kam on super rare occasions does spew out something longer than 5 words

And then it is usually reasonably intelligent

Just exceptionally rare

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
11:53 pm

Kam has Failed without exception tonight.

It’s easy to type but challenging to use a brain.

Kam should land a gig with the TSA…. He’s a perfect fit for that crowd

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:54 pm

Dude is finishing an 8 ball and saying someone else is doing drugs

jay

but jay

jay

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 28th, 2012
11:56 pm

Jm – KammieWeaklingBabyManChild is a copy and paster.

It is incapable of rational thought.

He’s the other 1%.

They BOTH suck

June 28th, 2012
11:56 pm

Peace

Even to you Jm………….. Drink some water. All that crying today must have you dehydrated something bad

:-)

TGT

June 28th, 2012
11:58 pm

all I had to do was google it

Well of course, if you google you’ll find the author. And as far as I know, it’s not on Trevor’s blog. I found it from his website.

Orange 12

June 28th, 2012
11:59 pm

Good Night, I have to turn to tomorrow. I hope everybody gets their poblems resolved peacefully. It was kind of fun observing the rhubarb though.

Jm

June 28th, 2012
11:59 pm

Tbs

Yes I will “address” jay

I neither expect him to respond nor do I care

It is a literary device used to juxtapose his thoughts to mine, or to combine them and point out his own hypocrisy

Not for his benefit, nor mine, nor likely anyone else’s for that matter

Towncrier

June 28th, 2012
11:59 pm

Message in upcoming Romney ad:

“President Obama claimed the mandate in the his healthcare bill was not a tax…”

[Cut to clip of Obama saying just that on various occasions]

“Yet the Supreme Court decided otherwise, that the so-called penalty was actually a tax…”

[Cut to Obama lawyers arguing to the Court that the penalty was not a tax]

“If he couldn’t even get that little thing straight, how can we be sure the rest of the bill is a good one?”

[Cut to Pelosi saying we have to pass it in order to know what is in it]

“We need health care reform badly, but maybe you should find out what all is in this bill before electing our next president this November”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 29th, 2012
12:00 am

TGT, you are being intentionally deceptive. You are skating very close to one of those big 10 thou shalt not thingies.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 29th, 2012
12:01 am

[Cut to Pelosi saying we have to pass it in order to know what is in it]

Not what she said, sport.

Steve

June 29th, 2012
12:02 am

Eric Holder found in contempt….BOOM!!!!

Towncrier

June 29th, 2012
12:02 am

“Not what she said, sport.”

Getting serious now, are we?

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 29th, 2012
12:02 am

Is Kamchak the class monitor?

ohhhhhhhh….. Warn the users when they get close to your imaginary ledge…. BARF !!!!!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 29th, 2012
12:03 am

I neither expect him to respond nor do I care

Not intended to be a factual statement.

Jm

June 29th, 2012
12:04 am

And tbs

In case you weren’t aware

Jay has sworn he won’t respond to me, and I take him at his word

so if you think I write that stuff expecting a response you’re sorely confused

It is a bit of taunting though

Since he can’t respond, he can’t very well correct me if I’m wrong either :)

His choice

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 29th, 2012
12:05 am

Kam Fail AGAIN !!!!

Nancy Pelosi on video –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

She said it.

Some folks remember….

Towncrier

June 29th, 2012
12:05 am

“Not intended to be a factual statement.”

Not intended to be a factual statement.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 29th, 2012
12:06 am

She said it.

What, exactly did she say?

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 29th, 2012
12:07 am

watch the friggin video u wingnut !!!!!!!

Towncrier

June 29th, 2012
12:07 am

“She said it.”

She said it literally, but it is not quite what she meant (reconciliation). But it sure has been embarrassing for her.

They BOTH suck

June 29th, 2012
12:08 am

Kammie

He cares so little that he literally begs for Jay’s attention on a constant basis.

When Jay does throw him a bone out of pity, he salivates so much he has to step away from his computer

:-)

He will deny, but just read his posts on the next article

Pavlov’s dog would have been proud of Jm

Jm

June 29th, 2012
12:08 am

Kam if you’re the “international bureau of weights and measures” for facts

Then I must be in Singapore right now

Towncrier

June 29th, 2012
12:10 am

“He cares so little that he literally begs for Jay’s attention on a constant basis.”

I think Jay has left the building…

Jm

June 29th, 2012
12:11 am

“When Jay does throw him a bone out of pity”

You’re delusional pal. It doesn’t happen. I give jay credit, he sticks to his guns, even if he shoots himself in the foot with them.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 29th, 2012
12:12 am

Multiple melt-downs.

Should’ve bought liquor stocks today.

That Black Guy

June 29th, 2012
12:13 am

‘Nite all. This Obama economy had me working until 8:30 tonight and I have to go in early tomorrow.

TSB, when jay send the email address, we’ll set something up.

Just one warning. I’m a Black “con” :8)

J/K

Be good cuz.

Jm

June 29th, 2012
12:13 am

Hospitals did well today

Healthcare bubble continues

Towncrier

June 29th, 2012
12:14 am

“Should’ve bought liquor stocks today.”

Thugs don’t buy stocks; they hold up liquor stores.

"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010

June 29th, 2012
12:15 am

I guess the frightening thug from Gor has absorbed enough of my lashings tonight.

Stay Tuned.

More truth on the way

Pi$$ off and good night…

Hasta la taco

Towncrier

June 29th, 2012
12:15 am

“Just one warning. I’m a Black “con” :8)”

That makes 9 I have counted to date ;-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 29th, 2012
12:16 am

He cares so little that he literally begs for Jay’s attention on a constant basis.

Yep, and I’ve warned him about going too far just to get his attention.

Blog suicide, as Bruno illustrated earlier today.

The closer we get to Nov., the more outrageous he will become.

Jm

June 29th, 2012
12:17 am

“MICHAEL SAVAGE: ‘ROBERTS EPILEPSY MEDICATION AFFECTS HIS COGNITION’…”

Sick drudgey

That Black Guy

June 29th, 2012
12:18 am

Towncrier

June 29th, 2012
12:15 am

“Just one warning. I’m a Black “con” :8)”

That makes 9 I have counted to date ;-)
____________________________________________
And that means…

Towncrier

June 29th, 2012
12:20 am

“Sick drudgey”

I have listened to Savage a few times…he has a way with words, but he is off the chain many times. He and Rush are too over the top. I much prefer Bennett, Medved, Hewitt and guys like that if I am going to listen to conservative talk radio.

Jm

June 29th, 2012
12:20 am

Kam

Meh

Bruno was pals with some of you turkeys and cared, and apparently had a lot at stake on obamacare

That drove his meltdown

Me, less so. Don’t really care

Towncrier

June 29th, 2012
12:22 am

“And that means…”

It was a sarcastic aside to liberals here who probably think there are only nine conservative blacks in all of America (which is absurd).

Jm

June 29th, 2012
12:22 am

Town crier

Most of those guys are unhinged

I listen to NPR to get a sense of what the other crazies are thinking

But I read Cato

Jm

June 29th, 2012
12:24 am

Town crier.

I can only count 3

Thomas
The congressman in FL
And TBG

Who are the other 6? Kidding

Jm

June 29th, 2012
12:24 am

And Bloomberg as kam loves to point out

That Black Guy

June 29th, 2012
12:24 am

Towncrier

June 29th, 2012
12:22 am

“And that means…”

It was a sarcastic aside to liberals here who probably think there are only nine conservative blacks in all of America (which is absurd).
_______________________________________________
Gotcha’ TC. I guess I’m so tierd I missed the /sarc. My bad.

And with that, ‘Nite all.

Towncrier

June 29th, 2012
12:25 am

“Most of those guys are unhinged”

Well, a good means of distinguishing between the crazies and the smarties is this: do they have a lot of guests (even from the other side) on their show (Medved, Hewitt, Bennet) – or do they just talk at you for 3 hours at a time (Bortz, Rush, Savage and others)?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 29th, 2012
12:26 am

That drove his meltdown

Me, less so. Don’t really care

At least two other have committed blog suicide here, and neither one had to do with Obamacare. All three have one thing in common, needy, attention seeking behavior.

Signs that you are definitely exhibiting.

They BOTH suck

June 29th, 2012
12:27 am

Jm & TC

The REAL lefty crazies are Shultz (Rush’s evil twin), Motherjones.com, Truthout.org

Those are the real deal. The things you guys call socialistic are mainstream and right leaning compared to the names and sites I gave you

That is REAL LEFT

Towncrier

June 29th, 2012
12:30 am

“The REAL lefty crazies are Shultz (Rush’s evil twin), Motherjones.com, Truthout.org

Those are the real deal. The things you guys call socialistic are mainstream and right leaning compared to the names and sites I gave you

That is REAL LEFT”

I’ll have to check them out, TBS. I don’t mind someone holding (even passionately) a position other than mine just so long as it is a reasoned one. That is why I really like Medved and Hewitt, because they have some pretty smart liberals come on their shows and they engage them in debate.

Towncrier

June 29th, 2012
12:33 am

Okay…out again…gn all.

They BOTH suck

June 29th, 2012
12:34 am

TC

You know I lean left, to a degree, those folks are real socialist.

No offense, but many on the right scream socialist too much. Waters down the impact. Those sites are real deal far left thoughts. Make me look center right (which I am on several issues) for sure

Jim163

June 29th, 2012
1:29 am

I just want to know, what kind of tax it is? Excise or Income?

Oscar

June 29th, 2012
1:31 am

im163

June 29th, 2012
1:29 am

____

It’s just a tax tax.

Oscar

June 29th, 2012
1:31 am

im163

June 29th, 2012
1:29 am

____

It’s just a tax tax.

Oscar

June 29th, 2012
1:36 am

After more reflection, I would say it’s a user fee tax. It’s a tax to pay for the use of medical and health facilities by those who chose not to pay for it by using heath insurance.

It reimburses the government for use of the health care system. Those that buy health insurance have their servicies paid for by the insurace company. Others pay the government through the tax as a user fee tax.

marko

June 29th, 2012
6:02 am

Individual mandates were a conservative idea. They didn’t become creeping socialism till Obama suggested them. For true lefties, this ruling drives a stake through the heart of the single payer health care system they dreamed of. The insurance companies will rule forever. W saved the banks, and Obama has left the insurance companies in control of the health care system. The banks will continue to loan money to those privileged individuals that can prove that they don’t need it, and the insurance companies will do the same with health care. Why the outrage? this is a great day for the corporations are people crowd. It seems that some are only happy when they’re outraged about something.

Speaking of outrage, Why isn’t Romney’s magic underwear in a wad about people calling his health care plan Obama care. While he was fathering the health care system the nation would later adopt as it’s own, Massachusetts was a whopping 47th in job growth. Ever wonder why Romney was a one term governor?

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 29th, 2012
6:07 am

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 29th, 2012
6:09 am

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 29th, 2012
6:22 am

Normal – the 6:09 made me snort.

and you’re damned straight dog people don’t forget!

Happy Friday, my friend!! are you seeing the grand and great grand kids this weekend and/or for the 4th???

Fred ™

June 29th, 2012
6:35 am

Yo USin UK AKA cooking blog chick: Your latest, the deconstructed puttanesca ( http://redskitchendiaries.wordpress.com/2012/06/23/deconstructed-pasta-puttanesca-salad/ ) sounds AWESOME. Have you ever tried fresh mozzarella instead of the parm? There’s a place here now (probably wasn’t here when you lived in Atlanta) that makes their own Mozzarella and it’s awesome.

I’m making a gazpacho today but plan on your deconstruction on Sunday when the wife gets home. I don’t know what happened to my word press ID. I used to reply to Mary Elizabeth on her blog so I know I had one, but it doesn’t work on yours……..

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 29th, 2012
6:36 am

USinUK,

“are you seeing the grand and great grand kids this weekend and/or for the 4th???”

Oh Hell yeah! Tuesday night is a fire work display we are going to see, Wednesday, a day doing family things (it’s a secret Grandpa), and then a grilling adventure by Normal! Good times had by all… :)

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 29th, 2012
6:46 am

Hi Fred!!

thanks – and, yes, it IS awesome!! I think Fresh Mozz would be amazing in it – but I was working with what I had in the fridge at the time … Parm I had, Mozz I had not.

I’m posting my Sassy Summer Jam this weekend – and, if the reaction at the office is anything to go by, it’s definitely a winner!!

(I have commenting on my blog, so let me know if you continue to have problems)

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 29th, 2012
6:47 am

Normal – give them extra cuddles and love and sorberts from their second biggest fan on this here blog ;-)

USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout

June 29th, 2012
6:48 am

btw, Fred – let me know how the gazpacho goes!! what are you serving with it??

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 29th, 2012
6:48 am

Fred ™

June 29th, 2012
6:51 am

What am I serving it with? Really lol? I was thinking water. Or maybe some red wine if honey wants some. Looks like a meal to me, especially in this heatwave we are about to have. What did you serve it with? I thought it was stand alone…….

Fred ™

June 29th, 2012
6:59 am

Oh crap sorry USinUK, I read that wrong, I thought you were asking what I would serve the puttanesco with lol. I’ll serve the gazpacho with some grilled shrimp or pan seared scallops and some “yummy” bread. I haven’t decided what type of bread.

I saw the grilled shrimp idea the last time I made gazpacho and tried it. Honey went bat sh.t over it so I guess I’ll try it again. It was one of the better reactions I have gotten lately on a dish. I use Alton Brown’s recipe with a couple of modifications (including the grilled shrimp). The first link has the ingredients and the second one is a video (1 minute 41 seconds) that shows how easy it is to make……

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/gazpacho-recipe/index.html

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrmvsu_how-to-make-gazpacho-with-jalapenos_lifestyle

Rightwing Troll

June 29th, 2012
7:02 am

Two instances of fisticuffs last night after I went to bed?

godless heathen

June 29th, 2012
7:06 am

What a great day yesterday was. The Supreme Court delivered a “Commerce Clause” smackdown and affirmed the right of the American people to make stupid choices on the first Tuesday in November.

“It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.” – Chief Justice John Roberts

godless heathen

June 29th, 2012
7:11 am

It reimburses the government for use of the health care system. Those that buy health insurance have their servicies paid for by the insurace company. Others pay the government through the tax as a user fee tax.

So when the hospital treats an uninsured person, they will just send the bill to the Fed Government instead of making the insured pay for it?? Or have you all been duped?

ken

June 29th, 2012
7:13 am

Lost more freedom yesterday. You know what is next.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 29th, 2012
7:20 am

lost more freedom yesterday?

how terribly sad that is for you.

all i lost was my key chain….and i found it under my desk.

Brosephus™

June 29th, 2012
7:22 am

Mornin’ folks/Afternoon USinner!!!!

That Black Guy

If you pop through this morning, I wanna know what you were eating/drinking last night. You had me in tears from laughing so hard this morning. I really needed a good laugh too.

——————————–

godless heathen
June 29th, 2012
7:06 am

What a great day yesterday was. The Supreme Court delivered a “Commerce Clause” smackdown and affirmed the right of the American people to make stupid choices on the first Tuesday in November.

“It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.” – Chief Justice John Roberts

ken
June 29th, 2012
7:13 am

Lost more freedom yesterday. You know what is next.

Which one of those two appear capable of independent thought instead of listening to pundits and/or talk radio?

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2012
7:25 am

You know what is next.

Galt Gulch, baybee.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2012
7:29 am

Which one of those two appear capable of independent thought

While like “godless,” I’m fairly certain there are pundits delivering that “it’s really a victory for us” salve on the intertubes and radio as I type.

Truth is, this ruling will be seen by lotsa folks lotsa ways. I heard an interesting discussion of what the Medicaid limitation could mean for future endeavors–for instance, the means by which the Feds essentially imposed a reduction on the drinking age through highway funding? That sort of thing could be impossible going forward, if challenged legally.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2012
7:29 am

“While *I* like ‘godless’…” I meant, above.

carlosgvv

June 29th, 2012
7:29 am

Romney has already done a 180 on many of the views he held as Governor. He’s had no problem looking straight into the camera and lying like a rug as he explains how his views have “evolved”. So, as before, he will come up with some lame explanation and keep on lying about how this plan was good for Mass. but it’s bad for the country. Republican supporters don’t really care since it’s becomming increasingly clear that what they really want, deep down, is a whiter White House.

GT

June 29th, 2012
7:32 am

Does Obamacare lower the annual fees of Romneycare?

The tax that the Republican Party now rallies against is on the poor in this health care situation. I don’t think the parties being taxed are near as troubled by the tax as their champion the Republican Party. I think this is a lot like CNN and FOX yesterday putting out half baked cakes on incorrect information on their networks trying to beat the big boys on the air. When the Republicans account for their thinking they will once again find thinking is not their strong suit, but red meat throwing is. Their base will buy this, that is why they are the GOP base in the first place, the paranoid outcast of society. It is the swing voters who now look at this thinking and other thoughts like it and wonder if this group can really govern or just produce soap
operas.

Irony abounds

June 29th, 2012
7:33 am

Of course it won’t be a tax to those who get a refundable credit to pay for it. Free lunch. You don’t like that,too bad, keep working as you need to pay for one or two people who don’t pay fed taxes.
Ironic that CJ Roberts has turned so liberal this week on a number of issues, as Senators Obama and Biden voted against his confirmation (I’m sure without checking his creds, just on some idea of ideological grounds). While I don’t agree with his decision (”let’s just call everything a tax”), kudos to him for ruling as he saw fit. Now if we only had a President and Congress that could do something along those lines, rather than blind ideology (Marxism in former case, some crazy notion of retaining power in latter).

Brosephus™

June 29th, 2012
7:38 am

dB

There are some delivering that message, and you know me, being the good liberal that I am **sarc alert**, I’ve listened to those messages and somewhat agree with them. In the grand scheme of things, I think there was only one “true” winner yesterday, and I think that was the medical insurance industry. I think Roberts gave them at least 10-20 more years before they go the way of the dinosaur. Eventually, we’ll be on a single payer system, and when that happens, it’s buh-bye private sector medical insurance companies. There may be a small market for individual supplimental coverages, but they won’t control 1/6th of our economy anymore.

A Simple Man

June 29th, 2012
7:39 am

I’ll remember this blog in a few months when my taxes go up. Jay says it won’t be a tax on me because I have health care and act responsibly. This is after months of Democrats saying it’s not a tax at all. Now it’s a tax I won’t pay. Right, and the toll booths on 400 are temporary.

TiredOfIt

June 29th, 2012
7:40 am

Complain about taxes then blame the war freaks.

Well by and by, way after many years have gone,
And all the war freaks die off, leavin’ us alone.
We’ll raise our children in the peaceful way we can,
It’s up to you and me brother
To try and try again

Don't Forget

June 29th, 2012
7:40 am

A two-income American family with an average income that dutifully invests in a 401(k) plan using typical strategies will lose $155,000 – or about 30 percent of what they should have saved for retirement — to Wall Street fees, according to a study by an economic justice advocacy organization.

This is one of the reasons I really can’t stand Wall Street these days. I’m not anti business, that would be stupid. And I don’t expect them to work for free, that would be unreasonable. But having 30% of a family’s retirement go to these greedy basturds is just ridiculous. We see conservatives pitch a fit at the notion of the top marginal tax rate going up 4% but not a peep about this highway robbery. It makes no sense.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 29th, 2012
7:47 am

A simple man

I can solve your problem.

Move to Massachsetts.

Then you won’t have to pay the tax.

You’ll only have to pay “the personal responsibility clause”….

(oh and never mind that it’s twice the size…it ain’t a “tax”)

You’ll learn to love the red socks and Sam Adams Lager.

AU Liberal in ATL

June 29th, 2012
7:48 am

The healthcare law is mostly good for Amierca. It just doesn’t go far enough and we have to wait too long for most of it to take effect.
So, why can’t opponents just be honest? This is not about the law. It’s not about any tax. It’s about the President. It’s about bigotry and racism. Don’t give me that crap about having black friends. Are any of your black friends living the “White” House? No, I didn’t think so. I’m sure your black friends know their place which allows you to “love” them.

Gale

June 29th, 2012
7:49 am

Listening to a Cigna rep interview last night. Oh how he danced around a direct question of, “Will insurance premiums go up?”

GT

June 29th, 2012
7:55 am

Free lunch and dying in the street are not the same interpretation.

I truly thought of taxes yesterday morning before this decision. The justice that compared health care to broccoli is like the man mentioning it in the same contents of a free lunch. The well being of our national health is far more enjoining than the choice of a side dish. When we discovered secondary smoke can kill you just like smoking itself, even the red meat crowd didn’t harp too much about banding it from the public. Allow the health of the general public to deteriorate and you will find it effects all classes.

The right is not motivated by moral issues unless it is abortion so that argument is off their table, but the practicality of this law is there too. One of the reasons Europe has national health care is they have seen the plagues kill thousands in their population rich and poor. Preventive health practices is like forest preservation, it is good for the entire forest not just a few trees.

Don't Forget

June 29th, 2012
7:58 am

If you’re a conservative and you don’t like this bill you really have no one to blame but your party. When you take a position that you won’t compromise, that you’re primary goal is to defeat a sitting president and you will simply obstruct as much as possible, there is one unavoidable consequence…..you’ve give up your representation. If all you care about is denying Obama any legislative success then the strategy, although a failure, reflects your desire. But if you want a voice in how the country moves forward, you were not represented.

A lot of things he got wrong, but one thing he got right

June 29th, 2012
7:59 am

When George W. Bush chose Chief Justice Roberts, he probably never knew what role the Justice would play in a landmark history making decision!!

Obama/Biden 2012

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 29th, 2012
8:02 am

GT

June 29th, 2012
7:55 am

Well said.

Hmmmmmmmm

June 29th, 2012
8:02 am

A sad day for America. I wonder how much more she can take… November will be the final straw. Let’s see how many of the silent majority will wake up and vote this cancer out of office…

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 29th, 2012
8:04 am

Hmmmmm, I say vote to KEEP a cancer OUT of office…

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2012
8:06 am

I think there was only one “true” winner yesterday, and I think that was the medical insurance industry.

I hear that a lot.

Let’s not lose sight of something though–they are now regulated in a manner they weren’t before. It’s not like you can’t have a manageable system through private insurers; I know it’s a vastly different nation, but Switzerland manages this approach pretty well.

GT

June 29th, 2012
8:11 am

What the right refuses to acknowledge is doing nothing is as bad a formula as writing bad legislation. It is like watching your neighbor’s house burn down because you don’t like your neighbor. Then the next year you have to look at the eyesore of the burned out house and you complain about it.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 29th, 2012
8:12 am

Vote this cancer out of office?

Love me some melodrama with my raisin bran.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 29th, 2012
8:16 am

Off topic, but very cool…

A key House Democrat supports providing full military and veterans benefits to same-sex couples.

Rep. Adam Smith of Washington, ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, introduced a bill that would redefine “spouse” when it comes to military benefits to follow state law for the place where the couple married. If the marriage was legal, the couple would get the same benefits as a wife and husband.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/06/military-adam-smith-seeks-same-sex-benefits-military-couples-062812w/

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2012
8:17 am

What the right refuses to acknowledge is

… more than one could possibly fit into a two terrabyte drive.

Hmmmmmmmm

June 29th, 2012
8:17 am

@ Granny

They say he has a good golf game…. That’s really the only thing this man is focused on… Oh, and duping people with simple minds…. People, anytime your freedom and liberties are taken away, it’s bad… That’s as simple as it gets. If you can’t understand that, then you deserve what you get…. Good day.

godless heathen

June 29th, 2012
8:19 am

Bro: Eventually, we’ll be on a single payer system, and when that happens, it’s buh-bye private sector medical insurance companies. There may be a small market for individual supplimental coverages, but they won’t control 1/6th of our economy anymore.

I said back when this so-called Obamacare bill was being debated that it wouldn’t work and those that proposed it know it won’t work – it is designed to fail. But what it will accomplish is to get the hairy camel’s nose of the Fed Govt farther into the tent of the 1/6th of the economy and it will be so bad that the people will welcome the smelly beast all the way in to spend the night.

Joseph

June 29th, 2012
8:19 am

Repeal and replace! Get ready to hear that a lot in the coming months libs…

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 29th, 2012
8:22 am

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Golf Envy?

Par for the course.

Yuk Yuk Yukety Yuk

Joseph

June 29th, 2012
8:22 am

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 29th, 2012
8:23 am

godless heathen

check yourself dude…you gotta camel nose

tee hee hee

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2012
8:24 am

People, anytime your freedom and liberties are taken away, it’s bad…

Yes. And any time some blowhard lies to you about freedoms and liberties being taken away, it’s also bad. Which is more bad? Probably the former.

But it’s debatable, since the latter is likely to lead to the former…

Joseph

June 29th, 2012
8:24 am

I figured Jay would have already posted some tripe about Holder by now… You know the usual its the Republicans playing politics while the Terry family waits for answers…

MiltonMan

June 29th, 2012
8:27 am

“What the right refuses to acknowledge is doing nothing is as bad a formula as writing bad legislation. It is like watching your neighbor’s house burn down because you don’t like your neighbor. Then the next year you have to look at the eyesore of the burned out house and you complain about it.”

Tells you how clueless this guy is. There are laws on the books for removing blights within neighborhoods, cities, counties, etc. One of the few things about having a HOA is that “they” got a burnt out house demolished after 2 weeks of “sitting there” after insurance investigation.

Of course, “they” had to make some calls to get this done.

godless heathen

June 29th, 2012
8:28 am

check yourself dude…you gotta camel nose

Better than camel toes?

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2012
8:29 am

oh, and Hmm?

If you think that being required to behave responsibly and fund health insurance for yourself and your family constitutes losing freedom and liberty, then I can only hazard a guess as to what other ordinary obligations borne by a typical citizen of any modern industrialized nation, are considered by you to be additional freedoms and liberties “lost.”

Maybe you could make us a list?

Hmmmmmmmm

June 29th, 2012
8:29 am

@ Granny

Funny….. Maybe a little envy… I’m sure he has a better set of clubs… I sleep better at night, knowing that I am honest and have integrity… I have to give him credit….. This man can Lie, cheat and steal….. and still not be held accountable… Simply amazing…

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 29th, 2012
8:31 am

It would be good to get some clarity on the romneycare v obamacare penalties, because I’ve seen it described multiple different ways

This one is more expensive no that one is

Not that I suppose it matters much

But it doesn’t bode well for health consumer clarity

godless heathen

June 29th, 2012
8:31 am

Still wondering. Any “experts” on ACA got an answer?

When the hospital treats an uninsured person, will they just send the bill to the Fed Government instead of making the insured pay for it??

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

June 29th, 2012
8:32 am

….. This man can Lie…

A lie?

Sorta kinda like the smoking gun is the mushroom cloud kinda lie?

Brosephus™

June 29th, 2012
8:32 am

Don’t Forget

You’re using too much truth this morning. As your blog doctor, I’m prescribing an IV drip of 10% rhetoric to be given over a 2 hour period. Stat!!

:lol:

GT

June 29th, 2012
8:32 am

Now it is about voting? A president was elected by the majority of this country, which was not always the case with Bush. The right had absolutely no respect for this majority and like an underground army they tried to undermine O at every turn. They claim he was unconstitutional and spent millions of dollars from areas that don’t have millions to litigate. Does anyone remember Baker refused to join this suit seeing what it was. He said the state does not have the money to throw away. Baker turned out to be right, which is this case is a good thing.

The right should have been into the political a long time ago, not the courts or destructive tactics from dark corners of Washington. Truth is the dog won’t eat the dog food. They can’t win a national election unless something tragic happen to this country. Some party that banks its resources on shorting the country it claims to love.

MiltonMan

June 29th, 2012
8:33 am

“If you think that being required to behave responsibly and fund health insurance for yourself and your family constitutes losing freedom and liberty,…”

You have no problem with the government making the call on what is best for the individual? And why stop at healthcare? How about vision care, dental care, etc., etc.?

And let’s not forget about how the government does such a wonderful job with Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, transportation of guns to Mexico, etc., etc.

Hmmmmmmmm

June 29th, 2012
8:33 am

@ stands for decibels….

All I can say ….. Your a complete fool if you think that this is what Obama is selling…. Just get some help sir…. This country is fighting for its life and people like you are helping it down the toilet…

Joseph

June 29th, 2012
8:34 am

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people:

The easy explanation is one is the state level and the other effects every American.. I could care less what the cost is in Massachusetts is.

MiltonMan

June 29th, 2012
8:35 am

“Now it is about voting? A president was elected by the majority of this country, which was not always the case with Bush.”

psst, hey pal. We don’t elect the president of the US based upon winning the popular vote. Look it up.

Rightwing Troll

June 29th, 2012
8:35 am

“I figured Jay would have already posted some tripe about Holder by now… You know the usual its the Republicans playing politics while the Terry family waits for answers…”

As do the families of 3000+ soldiers who died in the name of WMD’s… where’s the investigation about that? Where’s the outrage, or in your case, poutrage?

Brosephus™

June 29th, 2012
8:36 am

godless

No argument from me on that. The one thing I’d add is that, just as the free market works, the primary antagonist in this whole thing is the medical insurance industry itself. Had they found a way to do their thing without kicking so many to the curb and/or preventing many from getting coverage, then there would have been no need for any type of reform.

Newton’s law is at work in this case. For every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction.

JamVet

June 29th, 2012
8:36 am

Morning, gang.

O,. gonna be out making dough for most of the day, so I can’t stay and watch the Repulicant flailing and thrashing and gnashing of teeth. Oh my.

My only regret is that I am not a fainting couch salesman today.

Up where I’m going, I could unload every single one at top dollar prices.

(I’d have a sign reading, Your liberty was just stolen! And maybe some other clever one about the biggest tax increase in history.)

Good times in Connedville.

And bring back George! Get ready to hear that a lot in the coming months.

For my despondent neocons pals…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06pIHuL631c

Aquagirl

June 29th, 2012
8:36 am

Tells you how clueless this guy is. There are laws on the books for removing blights within neighborhoods, cities, counties, etc.

I wish I had bought stock in earplugs. Since about 10 am yesterday, the whooshing sound of points sailing over con heads has been deafening.

Brosephus™

June 29th, 2012
8:37 am

RomneyCare Sheetz!!!

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 29th, 2012
8:37 am

This should get more fun

WTF do you have to do, submit a copy of you insurance plan along with your tax return?

What else do they want? My medical records? Next it will be what fricking size shoe I wear….

MiltonMan

June 29th, 2012
8:38 am

“The right should have been into the political a long time ago, not the courts…”

Let’s just conveniently sweep under the rug the Dems & their court efforts to have the election of Bush annulled.

Thomas

June 29th, 2012
8:39 am

Impose an annual tax of $95, or up to 1% of income, whichever is greater, on individuals who do not secure insurance; this will rise to $695, or 2.5% of income, by 2016. This is an individual limit; families have a limit of $2,085.[

It will most likely be a tax paid on your form 1040. It would appear the game would be pay the penalty, if better/cheaper for you, then buy the insurance at the hospital when needed.

Sets us up for interesting debates coming to a town near you-

How stupid can the left possibly be???

June 29th, 2012
8:39 am

While one European country after another desperately tries to get keep themselves from being officially bankrupt we have a leader that thinks this same failed and idiotic blueprint is perfect of the US?

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! United Socialist America! United Socialist America! United Socialist America! United Socialist America!

MiltonMan

June 29th, 2012
8:40 am

“I wish I had bought stock in earplugs. Since about 10 am yesterday, the whooshing sound of points sailing over con heads has been deafening.”

Lame at best.

Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette

June 29th, 2012
8:41 am

Hmmm

You really got a hate-on for the President.

If it lasts more than 4 hours or if your sight seems blue, see a dr.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2012
8:41 am

Your a complete fool if you think that this is what Obama is selling…

I guess you don’t want to tell me what, besides the PPACA, constitutes a “loss of freedom and liberty to you.” Oh well, I tried.

How stupid can the left possibly be???

June 29th, 2012
8:42 am

@GT

The left are the only known and well documented cheaters. You are only trying to fool yourself here. The left cannot win an election without several million fictional characters and dead people casting votes.

Hmmmmmmmm

June 29th, 2012
8:42 am

@How stupid can the left be???

VERY…. But then again, some of these people will be screaming the loudest, when they finally wake up… Pathetic!

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2012
8:43 am

While one European country after another desperately tries to get keep themselves from being officially bankrupt

Actually, the Euro country *I* cited as one whose lead we might take on a private-public health insurance partnership was Switzerland, which isn’t part of the Eurozone, and which certainly isn’t going bankrupt, “officially” or otherwise.

Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!

June 29th, 2012
8:43 am

Hmmmmmmmm,

Take a Valium…you’ll feel better.

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2012
8:43 am

@How stupid can the left be???

VERY…. But then again, some of these people will be screaming the loudest, when they finally wake up… Pathetic!

Isn’t it nice when two Mystery Meats meet?

MiltonMan

June 29th, 2012
8:44 am

“WTF do you have to do, submit a copy of you insurance plan along with your tax return?”

We were informed this week that our company-provided insuranace coverage will now be considered taxable income and therefore be part of payroll deduction in 2014. There were alot of questions but the most interesting (and could not be answered by HR) was who defines the “value” of the coverage? And what about if you live in a city with a higher cost of living?

Brosephus™

June 29th, 2012
8:46 am

dB

I’ve said that I think we’d best be served by a hybrid system where basic clinical care was done via a single payer type system while hospitalization, emergency, elective, and other more advanced stuff was done by insurance coverage through our established system. For high risk coverage, there could be a public option type coverage available that would help keep costs competitive.

GT

June 29th, 2012
8:47 am

MiltonMan a majority gives a president a mandate. Like Bush you can be elected without a majority and not be able to govern until a 9/11 occurs on your watch. Never quit understood how O was responsible for Bush’s economy but Bush was not responsible for 9/11 in that half watt of logic.

But now you are going to rally you gorilla fighter and take over the government with a majority, which hasn’t happen for the right in a long while. And unlike your response to the majority mandate you expect the left to respect the majority elected president and you can conduct business as you and your majority sees fit. Interesting…

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2012
8:47 am

The left cannot win an election without several million fictional characters and dead people casting votes.

Yeah, that FDR, four times… all based on ballot box stuffing.

I’m adding this to my ever-expanding list of Weird Stuff Online Righties Choose to Believe.

Hmmmmmmmm

June 29th, 2012
8:48 am

@Normal

Thanks for the advice… I’m sure you have plenty of Valium… How else could you possibly vote for this guy again….

Here is hoping that people wake up in November…. and get off the Valium… :)

stands for decibels

June 29th, 2012
8:48 am

whoops. Nobody called SHEETZ so I will, and head upstairs.

Joseph

June 29th, 2012
8:52 am

JamVet:

I’m so glad you presented us with your enormous intellect before we start our day. The infinite wisdom you possess regarding political matters is a thing of such intellectual thinking in which I am no doubt going to vote for Obama now.

Joseph

June 29th, 2012
8:54 am

Rightwing Troll:

Same tired argument… LOL.. You libbies…

Mary Elizabeth

June 29th, 2012
8:56 am

What is sad is that many on the right cannot see how this Affordable Care Act is historical in nature in the same way that Brown vs. Board of Education was historical. It will change America’s history for the better and it will ultimately ensure more freedom for Americans for as FDR had stated in his 4th inaugural address: If there is not (social)security at home, there cannot be freedom in the world.

Here is what I posted yesterday on Kyle Wingfield’s blog, related to this thought, slightly edited:

“About the possibility of a single payer healthcare policy ultimately, I never thought that I would see the end of apartheid in South Africa in my lifetime. But it happened.

History unfolds as consciousness unfolds and the rate of that unfolding is indeterminable. Those who think America’s Founders Fathers would not have approved of today’s Supreme Court decision regarding the Affordable Care Act are not giving our founders enough credit for the depth and complexity of their thinking. Also, the founders did not speak as one voice, but of differing voices who all believed in the one ideal of liberty.

Thomas Jefferson had written, for instance, that the only constant should be the will of the people and that, if in the course of history, emerging Americans were not pleased with the U.S. Constitution, itself, which had served well those of his day and of the immediate days thereafter, then the U.S. Constitution should be viewed as able to be discarded and formed again to serve better the interests and vision of those Americans who, in the evolution of time, were to follow his own generation. Those were the thoughts of a founder who saw the unfolding of history as a process of depth which continuously evolved over time, rather than as a repetitive, static progression, which repeats itself indefinitely.”

Joseph

June 29th, 2012
8:57 am

The left cannot win an election without several million fictional characters and dead people casting votes.

That must be true. Think about it. Georgia has one of the most advanced electronic voter systems in the country and election after election still a bright red state. Its hard to cheat here obviously. On top of that voters must show an ID to vote…

Joseph

June 29th, 2012
8:59 am

MiltonMan

June 29th, 2012
9:01 am

“But now you are going to rally you gorilla fighter and take over the government with a majority, which hasn’t happen for the right in a long while.”

How soon we forget the 2010 elections in which the Dems lost the house. Keep reading you tea leaves and your polls.

Here is one for you right from the pathetic John Barrow who is trying to keep his 12th distrcit seat:

“This health care legislation was flawed from the beginning, which is why I voted against this law in committee and twice on the House floor. For the most part, the Supreme Court has ruled that the law doesn’t violate the Constitution, but that won’t fix the problems the law doesn’t solve, and it won’t fix the problems the law actually makes worse. We have to cut spending and cut health costs, but it starts with rejecting the false choice being offered by both parties, that it’s all or nothing.”

Hmmmmmmmm

June 29th, 2012
9:03 am

@Mary Elizabeth

Yes FDR started this mess, with good intentions…. Creating a country where handouts are a right…. We will hopefully take care of this mess in November… Your naivety is killing this country. I have had enough for the day… Hopefully, Normal has Valium for all…..

MiltonMan

June 29th, 2012
9:04 am

“History unfolds as consciousness unfolds and the rate of that unfolding is indeterminable. Those who think America’s Founders Fathers would not have approved of today’s Supreme Court decision regarding the Affordable Care Act are not giving our founders enough credit…”

and those who think that the founding fathers would have supported this are foolish. The founding fathers supported slavery. Do you actually think they would have supported that today?

MiltonMan

June 29th, 2012
9:06 am

Also, please tell us how this great “social security” plan is working out?

Social Security = a legal ponzi scheme. Plain and simple.

Hmmmmmmmm

June 29th, 2012
9:07 am

@MiltonMan

Good luck with these people…. They are all blinded by the shinning star of their deliverer…

Mary Elizabeth

June 29th, 2012
9:31 am

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm,

If my thinking is naive, then so was/is the thinking of Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt, the thinking of Edward Kennedy, and the thinking of Barack Obama. What is sad is that you will not enlarge your vision and heart enough to see and to acknowledge the value of the ACA for Americans. And you appear, through your words, not to have the grace of spirit to acknowledge the “strength and moral courage,” as well as the political shrewdness, of President Obama to be able to spearhead this bill into law, when other presidents before him, for over half of a century, had tried to do so and had failed.

TiredOfIt

June 29th, 2012
9:34 am

Talking about ending freebies, lets talk about all that corporate welfare too.

Mary Elizabeth

June 29th, 2012
9:46 am

Milton Man, 9:04 am

“. . .and those who think that the founding fathers would have supported this are foolish. The founding fathers supported slavery. Do you actually think they would have supported that today?”
=====================================

You do not speak truth. The founding fathers of America did not “support slavery.” John Adams, from the industrial Northeast was an advocate against slavery. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson both existed within the Southern (VA) agrarian society in which slavery had been a means of economic survival, which they were born into. Washington knew that slavery was wrong and in his will freed his slaves upon his wife’s death. Jefferson’s slaves multiplied over the years to be more in number than were needed on his estate for economic viability for his estate, but he would not sell them to ruthless slave owners nor did he want to break up slave families if he could keep from doing so. Further, Jefferson supported the dismantling of slavery, in time, when the slaves could support themselves within the society in which they existed, and when others would evolve to see the necessity for the dismantling of slavery because slavery went against America’s ideals and basic tenets of which he wrote. Jefferson predicted this end of slavery would fall within 50 years of his prediction, well after his death. His prediction was pretty much spot on. The Civil War occurred 50 years after his prediction, although Jefferson had hoped when he had made that prediction that slavery would end naturally in the course of human evolution and not through battle.

TiredOfIt

June 29th, 2012
10:18 am

Good luck with these people…. They are all blinded by the shinning star of their deliverer…
Romney white shirts are very bright, not sure about start bright, but it is your call.

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)

June 29th, 2012
10:57 am

Kamchap – Perhaps I got carried away yesterday speaking of fights? You refused to listen to me about what Princess Pelosi said and it riled me. But someone posted the video(hope you saw it) and will acknowledge your 1st mistake in your life? Let’s forget about fights, at least until you get your Obama Care. Everyone makes mistakes, live with it! No, I do not want to fight everyone who disagrees with me but calling me a liar is a different matter! Case closed for time being!!

independent thinker

June 29th, 2012
1:35 pm

””An estimated $1.3 billion will be doled out to individuals and small businesses under a clause in the Affordable Care Act,” according to Business Insider.

The Obamacare rebate checks are part of a provision in the health care law that requires insurance companies to use 80 percent of collected premiums on medical services. If they don’t, they have to send rebates to policyholders for the difference.

In other words, the profits of private insurance companies are limited by Obamacare, which is why Republicans beholden to insurance and drug company lobbyists have generated so much negative spin against the health insurance law.”””””

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2012/06/29/18716552.php

Yeah lets keep pushing that Repub. talking point that Obamacare raises everyone’s taxes (except the rich of course) while the checks role in around August and September. Kind of like the frat boy president giving free Medicare drugs to the elderly so he could get reelected. Only that one was not funded by any source.
And now gas is below $3.00 a gallon and our dependence on foreign oil keeps going down- Lets see Romney and the Obozo haters blame all that on Obama too.

Campaign strategy 101 in the Rove primer- give the electorate some benefits before the election and they will see through all the BS and vote for the hand that feeds them.

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)

June 29th, 2012
9:02 pm

independent thinker@1:35 – Affordable Care Act is Obama Care, right. Just like undocumented is the same as illegal. You have such a nice way with words?

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Justin

July 2nd, 2012
3:47 pm

Jay,
“You see, the maximum tax penalty in RomneyCare, at $1,212, is considerably higher than the maximum of $695 under ObamaCare.”
Except,, $695 is not the federal cap, so your assertion is false… and clearly shows your bias.
The fine goes up to 2.5% of your income, or the average cost of a health insurance policy. For many, that is far more than $1,212/year.