Supreme Court strips Romney of favorite argument
So how does Mitt Romney, the architect of RomneyCare, attack ObamaCare from this point forward?
Until now, Romney has claimed that the individual mandate is fine as policy when implemented at the state level. In fact, he has said repeatedly that he believes he did the right thing as governor of Massachusetts.
In a GOP debate in January, for example, Romney defended his plan on its merits, arguing that “everyone has a requirement to either buy it or pay the state for the cost of providing them free care. Because the idea of people getting something for free when they could afford to care for themselves is something that we decided in our state was not a good idea.”
However, while Romney argued that such an approach was right for Massachusetts, he also argued that it would be unconstitutional to implement it at the federal level. That was his get-out-of-jail card; that was the core of the distinction that he attempted to draw between RomneyCare and ObamaCare:
What was good policy at the state level was unconstitutional at the federal level.
Except that as we now know, it’s not. Romney’s argument has been rendered null and void by today’s Supreme Court decision upholding the mandate and the tax penalty used to enforce it.
Romney could, I suppose, try to seize upon the court’s description of the penalty as a tax to try to explain how his plan was different. U.S. Sen. Lindsay Thomas, in an appearance on Fox News this afternoon, was already pitching that line, claiming that “the issue is no longer about health care; it’s about taxes.”
Unfortunately for that line of argument, the tax penalty levied under RomneyCare on those who refuse to buy health insurance differs from that under ObamaCare only by degree, and not in a way friendly to Romney. You see, the maximum tax penalty in RomneyCare, at $1,212, is considerably higher than the maximum of $695 under ObamaCare.
Of course, none of this means that Romney won’t keep attacking the federal plan so clearly modeled after his own strategy. It just means that he won’t be able to do so credibly or logically.
– Jay Bookman
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F. Sinkwich
June 28th, 2012
8:11 pm
“Off to pick up my girlfriend for whom the bus has not arrived for an hour. I will be back in a bit.”
Gubmint at work.
Bus probably gagged on the ethanol crap and died.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 28th, 2012
8:11 pm
10M without healthcare or 26 million……hey who cares about accuracy and facts.
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
8:12 pm
josef
Yeah, I should have specified medical insurance. Didn’t mean to make it sound like the entire insurance industry would go under.
josef
June 28th, 2012
8:12 pm
I admit it. I’m the Du-k-sha-nee. That’s why I’m always talking about me…
Recon 0311 2533
June 28th, 2012
8:12 pm
Jm, Bruno,
You both are lamenting this as a defeat. I see it quite differently. The greater majority of voters are opposed to this bill and that opens up campaign opportunities for Obama’s opposition like a revival of the Tea Party movement that played a large part in the Democrats “shellacking” in 010. Romney can play this like a fiddle all the way to November along with attacking this presidents dismal failure with the economy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
8:13 pm
There are only about 10M people in this country without health care insurance.
Let them eat béchamel.
Towncrier
June 28th, 2012
8:14 pm
Hey Adam, FYI, I have yet to see you link to an article NOT written by a liberal. That explains your close-mindedness, I think. You need to get out more, imho.
Jay
June 28th, 2012
8:14 pm
From kayaker:
“There are only about 10M people in this country without health care insurance. Out of a country of 311M people, that represents about 3% of the total population.”
From the 2010 Census:
“In 2010, the percentage of people without health insurance, 16.3 percent, was not statistically different from the rate in 2009. The number of uninsured people increased to 49.9 million in 2010 from 49.0 million in 2009.”
One of those two is wrong. I think I’ll side with the one that literally went door to door to every house in the country to ask that question.
Jay
June 28th, 2012
8:14 pm
I thought so too, Oscar.
Jm
June 28th, 2012
8:15 pm
Getalife 8:04
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 28th, 2012
8:17 pm
i knew it – my literary skills are improving.
the rhythm, the cadence, i’ve thought that all along, josef.
Jm
June 28th, 2012
8:18 pm
Bro
“He ruled against the commerce clause, putting a limit on government reach with that one.”
Meh, not really. The ruling doesn’t put any practical limit on commerce clause
Towncrier
June 28th, 2012
8:18 pm
Things that make you go hmmm:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/justice-roberts-change-obamacare-vote-minute/story?id=16673072#.T-zzsxdSSmB
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
8:18 pm
Well, that didn’t take long.
Fred ™
June 28th, 2012
8:18 pm
Jay
June 28th, 2012
7:54 pm
I guess I’m too late to save the man.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Meh, not really. You have pretty much have carte blanche. You do what you wish, don’t try to kid us. While there are times you are judicious, I’ve experienced others where you are just………. well I have no word for it………..
At a time like this where the republicans, who live in fear of everything anyways, are especially fearful allowances could be given. I’m still puzzled as to how I could dedicate a queen song to josef at LEAST 4 times in the past and then the last time the post went under moderation and then was pulled. But it is what it is.
I wouldn’t have been back except to read the fall out from this ruling and strangely enough I find myseld uninterested when I do read except to find Bruno (the asshat lol) was banned. He wasn’t my favorite, but he was mostly interesting to read. At least 75 % of the time he made sense and he had some great musical taste.
hopefully it was just a temp ban. Maybe just (at most) 30 days in the hole……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXjm8pZMws
bman
June 28th, 2012
8:19 pm
Mister Bookman .. .. If you had to make a guess; what impact, if any, will this decision have on the economy (near-term) ?
Jm
June 28th, 2012
8:19 pm
St Simons
Re emigration
Everyone is happy to have you if you’re rich
Not quite there yet
Jay
June 28th, 2012
8:20 pm
bman: None.
Ninja
June 28th, 2012
8:20 pm
I never understood all the hatred towards the ACA. It’s a decent idea if you cut through all the BS, why not see if it actually works before scrapping it (in reality, not Partisan-Idiot Land)? Especially when the people who want it gone don’t have a clue what to do with health care beyond a bunch of cliche-ridden stupidity.
Recon 0311 2533
June 28th, 2012
8:21 pm
Was Bruno banned? If so for what? I don’t read every post.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 28th, 2012
8:22 pm
Kam, the gentlemen from Mud has made a clear relevation of his lack of stature.
Towncrier
June 28th, 2012
8:22 pm
The dissent:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/scalia-kennedy-thomas-and-alito-dissent-we-cannot-rewrite-statute-be-what-it-not_647952.html
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
8:24 pm
hopefully it was just a temp ban. Maybe just (at most) 30 days in the hole……
He’s already next door at Kyle’s bad mouthing this place and Jay in particular.
Looks like he is also trying to curry sympathy.
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
8:24 pm
Meh, not really. The ruling doesn’t put any practical limit on commerce clause
There’s many a person in this country today, both liberal and conservative, who would disagree with you. Most of the analysis that I’ve read on his decision states the fact that, although he sided with the four liberal justices in upholding the ACA, his opinion showed that he pretty much voted right along with his conservative colleagues.
Had the commerce clause been upheld as legal in this case, that would have stretched it much farther than it already has been stretched. Instead, Congress (Democrats) got a smack on the hand while trying to sneak into the cookie jar one time too many.
————–
Fred
Where have you been, bro???
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
8:25 pm
Bruno
Come on back. We don’t agree much on politics, but on other things probably more than we have even discussed.
Pony up Jersey Boy
lets read that fire and vitriol that keeps the libs and social cons on their toes
Jay
June 28th, 2012
8:26 pm
Fred, Bruno had indicated days ago that he would be leaving the blog. I guess he felt he had to go out in a blaze of glory, such as it is.
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
8:26 pm
Recon
he elected to go or so he said
Hopefully he will be back.
I agree with little of what he says politically, but he brings much to the table. He is a smart man
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
8:26 pm
First: Hey Adam, FYI, I have yet to see you link to an article NOT written by a liberal.
Followed by a link to The Weakly Standard
Too Funny!
Jm
June 28th, 2012
8:26 pm
Town crier. Roberts got suckered
“bman: none”
Spoken like someone truly ignorant of economics
F. Sinkwich
June 28th, 2012
8:26 pm
“bman: None.”
Sinkwich: tons.
Businesses ain’t hiring because of this nonsense.
Hey, Jay, will the unemployment rate be lower or higher in November?
Higher.
Loss of freedom + higher taxes = bad economy.
tiredofIT
June 28th, 2012
8:27 pm
I think I am going to buy me a couple of those Obama for president t-shirts, but remember if you see me, I wouldn’t make any negative comments as I will be armed. (thanks NRA).
Towncrier
June 28th, 2012
8:27 pm
“There’s many a person in this country today, both liberal and conservative, who would disagree with you. Most of the analysis that I’ve read on his decision states the fact that, although he sided with the four liberal justices in upholding the ACA, his opinion showed that he pretty much voted right along with his conservative colleagues.”
See my last post to support what Brosephus is saying. Roberts appears to have rewritten the law in order to find a middle path (but that is not his role a SC justice).
Josef
June 28th, 2012
8:27 pm
I’m also Soothsayer…that’s why I keep citing The Protocols of the Elders of Zion…
I’m not Bruno, though.
getalife
June 28th, 2012
8:28 pm
del,
He cut and ran to kyle’s.
He is having a bad day.
Fred ™
June 28th, 2012
8:28 pm
I have two different scenario’s to cite. One in favor of Obamacare and one against. Both are equally valid.
1). My buddy has a company. He employs around 300 folks around the Country. That means he’s not big enough to get an “exemption” from Obamacare. At 2 grand (or is it 3) per employee of a ‘fine” he is going to have to shut down his business. There just isn’t another 1/2 to 3/4 million bucks in todays tight market. He wishes he had that kind of cawsh to pay and STILL not go bankrupt.
2). My buddy is dying of lung cancer. He got his insurance through his employer. He worked for this company 20 or 30 years. They were stellar. They kept him “on the books” as long as they could even though he didn’t show up to work for almost 6 months so he could keep his insurance. Insurance BTW which HE paid for, not the company. But finally they had to “let him go.” He can’t get insurance elsewhere because NOW he has “pre-existing conditions.” What a crock of crap.
It’s time asshats to quit making this a Republican vs Democrat issue when it’s not that at all. We need a solution and letting people die isn’t a good one.
But then who am I kidding. Maybe 10 people who ever post here are smart enough to not be partisan. The rest would rather die or better yet KILL to make sure that they get their way.
Yawn……..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
8:28 pm
I am Zorro!
Doggone/GA
June 28th, 2012
8:28 pm
“Doggone, yes, I’m still considering it. Any feedback?”
TBG – sorry, got called away again. Hope you see this! Bringing a female to the male’s home territory generally works better than the other way around. But I would suggest that before you decide for sure that you try to take them both to neutral territory. Get a friend or two to help. Try to go someplace like a park, or ball field that is wide open and with no trees.
Start walking them parallel to each other and gradually angle in until they are walking close together. If there is no apparent issue then let the male give the female a good all-over sniff, without letting them get face to face. If he even tries to mount her, let him. If she submits and doesn’t object, there’s probably a very good chance they’ll get along.
When you bring her home, you want to sort of repeat this. Take your male and meet someone with the female a good way from your home and walk them home together, making sure they both cross your property line together and behind you.
This way the male won’t feel challenged by a “stranger” dog trying to muscle in on HIS territory. Then for a few weeks you want to be sure that you reinforce his status as owner of the territory. Give him treats, affection, food, etc. first. Don’t let the female muscle in on him…some Cane Corso can be very strong minded.
In fact, for regular meals you might want to feed them as far apart as you can, gradually moving them closer over several weeks – to prevent any fights over food. And as often as you can, take them both on long walks away from home, and then walk back to home. That will reinforce to both of them that they are a “pack” and need each other both on neutral territory and on their home turf.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
8:28 pm
Gubmint at work.
Bus probably gagged on the ethanol crap and died.
The local government here sucks for public transportation. And no, I do not live in Atlanta.
Towncrier
June 28th, 2012
8:28 pm
“Followed by a link to The Weakly Standard. Too Funny!”
If you follow my posts, genius, you would know that I have linked to sites such as the Huffington Post more than once. I actually read it.
getalife
June 28th, 2012
8:29 pm
I like the President’s idea of no drama.
Recon 0311 2533
June 28th, 2012
8:29 pm
TBS,
Thanks for bringing me up to date.
Jm
June 28th, 2012
8:29 pm
Bro
You’re reading the wrong analysis
There are no ther existing, or pending, laws that will be impacted by the ruling
It has incredibly narrow application, meaning it is no threat to the expansion of federal power
bman
June 28th, 2012
8:29 pm
Jay .. .. none? I don’t know if I agree with that. But, I wouldn’t be able to guess if it would be positive effect, or negative. I just don’t know.
One thing’s for sure. If the economy doesn’t pick-up in the near term, I’m going to guess that republicans and Romney will use the new law as yet another regulation that is hindering economic growth.
curious
June 28th, 2012
8:30 pm
Just like DADT, this issue will fade away. It’s a done deal and a good one.
This will truly help people with pre-existing conditions and coverage caps. People will live because of this.
It might be you or someone you know.
Let’s move on and COLLECTIVELY do something good for this Nation.
Fred ™
June 28th, 2012
8:31 pm
Jay: I stand corrected. If he decided such then may the bridges he burned light his way. It’s better to burn up then fade away……….
On that note, For Bruno:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=748IjOdrjwg
Adam
June 28th, 2012
8:32 pm
Towncrier: Hey Adam, FYI, I have yet to see you link to an article NOT written by a liberal.
Well I didn’t realize that out of all the links I have ever posted, all 100% of them were written by liberals. I wouldn’t have expected that from Forbes and CNN. If your objection is based on the idea that somehow everyone who isn’t fringe conservative is liberal, or that all media is liberal, then I would not take you seriously. But you don’t strike me as that kind of person. So I will assume you simply have not seen everything I’ve linked.
But I can’t help but notice you haven’t actually refuted the articles about this subject on their merits, rather than ad hominem.
Josef
June 28th, 2012
8:32 pm
Alf comcast 133. He’s an insurance agent being held captive.
Jm
June 28th, 2012
8:33 pm
Fred 8:28
I have a solution
But I don’t run the government, so it’s irrelevant
And neither side would be a fan of it
Soothsayer
June 28th, 2012
8:33 pm
Jay: Thanks for backing me up on this issue.
Bruno: I can assure you that
1. I am not Redneck Convert &
2. I did not intentionally insult your GF as you suggest
3. The one time I did insult her, I apologized.
However, you are quick with insults. Just a few:
To Redneck Convert:
I never tasted anything so sour.
You mean other than your own ass??
——————————————-
I’m thinking Jay should appoint me to be the moderator when he is away. I can think of at least one poster who would be banned immediately. Plus, I think it would be cool to see my posts highlighted in gray.
——————————————-
To The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers:
Tapping out, hearing crickets chirping from the counter culture.
Enjoy your date with your left hand tonight……..
Playing the blushing ingenue doesn’t really become you.
kayaker 71
June 28th, 2012
8:34 pm
Even if you increased the number of those without health care insurance to 20M, that still only represents about 6% of the population. And we are going to change the health care system for 6% of the population? it appears that there about 290M people out there who are very happy with their health care. And you are going to hearing from them in November.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
8:34 pm
Fred: Exactly. Let’s fix the problems instead of blanket repeal or blanket “this solves everything.”
Adam
June 28th, 2012
8:35 pm
kayaker: Your numbers of who has health insurance are way off.
Recon 0311 2533
June 28th, 2012
8:35 pm
To my fellow conservatives I disagree with going after Justice Roberts as a turn coat. I think he made a common sense decision that does not help the Obama administration or its campaign in this election year. The AHA is an unpopular bill and all Roberts did with his decision was to hand it back to the voters who will be the rightful deciders in November.
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
8:37 pm
It has incredibly narrow application, meaning it is no threat to the expansion of federal power
This particular ruling has a very narrow application. However, he can’t be labeled as acting partisaned by reverting back to his conservative bonafides. He pretty much sealed his legacy as being pragmatic and above politics with this one, but he did not divert from his conservatism at all with his opinion. Therefore, every time he rules to uphold the limitation of the expansion of government, this ruling will be the one to remember because of what he ruled in this case.
—————
Fred
I’m looking forward to the day when we quit looking at everything as liberal/conservative or Republican/Democrat and simply tackle our problems as Americans. I took flak for saying this before, but maybe it will take the older generations dying off and the younger people who don’t really care about that stuff to bring about those changes to this country.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
June 28th, 2012
8:38 pm
Enter your comments here
Jm
June 28th, 2012
8:38 pm
Recon
Obamacare will be impossible to rewind legislatively
Oscar
June 28th, 2012
8:39 pm
Jm
June 28th, 2012
8:33 pm
______
Thanks for letting us know you have a solution. Now do you want to tell us what it is. If not, I will just refer to it as Jm’s secret solution.
Towncrier
June 28th, 2012
8:39 pm
“I wouldn’t have expected that from Forbes and CNN. If your objection is based on the idea that somehow everyone who isn’t fringe conservative is liberal, or that all media is liberal, then I would not take you seriously.”
I actually looked at the profile of the authors of the last two Forbes articles you linked. I try to gauge where one is coming from when reading an article, because almost everyone is promoting a view and may be “fudging” things a bit). Forbes publishes articles from both sides. Ungar, who wrote a thoughtful piece about the a mandate being imposed in the 18th century (I can’t recall the exact year – 1789?), makes no bones about being a liberal – in his responses to comments (all of which I read) he even said he is against the 2nd ammendment.
Jm
June 28th, 2012
8:41 pm
Bro
No one that is pro government expansion is in the least bit nervous about this ruling
Roberts did it because he loves the court more than the law
All this bookmans geared up to call them “partisan” made him very uncomfortable
So he, to use another baseball analogy, balked
"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
June 28th, 2012
8:42 pm
Watch this video of President Obama and George Snuffaluffagus —
Is it a tax ?
George Snuffy ain’t no Fox News stooge……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-ofjXrXio
Recon 0311 2533
June 28th, 2012
8:42 pm
Jm,
I’m not so certain of that if it’s repealed in its entirety. It will regardless be political fodder for sometime.
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
8:42 pm
You got it….. the single payer option.
Here’s to hoping so.
SINGLE PAYER NOW.
Everybody in. Nobody out.
Just like the VA.
No dicking around with dozens of different paper pushing, claim denying companies screwing people over left and right…
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
8:44 pm
No one that is pro government expansion is in the least bit nervous about this ruling
And that’s the genius in Roberts’ decision. The most stinging rebukes are the ones you least expect.
Jm
June 28th, 2012
8:46 pm
Oscar 8:39
that’s a good name
I prefer to call it the “open access plan”
Take the exchanges. Require the terms, coverages, pricing, of any plan offered to every biz to be available to any individual. In other words, funnel all plans through the exchanges and require “open access”.
Eliminate tax subsidy, gradually divorcing employment from healthcare coverage. No subsidies, substantial penalty – tax for non coverage, or
Opt-in or opt-out for life. Sign up at 18 or elect to be permanently outside the insurance system. No money, no health care.
Oscar
June 28th, 2012
8:47 pm
It looks to me as if what Roberts did was exercise judicial restraint. Something the conservatives have been wanting for years. Judicial restraint means that if at all possible the court should defer to the laws passed by congress as legislation by the people’s elected representives. That leaves it up to the voters to elect other people to represent them if they don’t like the law. The idea of judicial restaint is opposed to judicial activism which represents legislation from the bench. Roberts, acting with judicial restaint found a way to support the law and refained from revoking it by legislating from the bench.
wow
June 28th, 2012
8:47 pm
I’m sorry. but faux alphas get really agitated when they can’t express their dominance.
The one that left is as smart as anyone who posts on this blog, but in the end, he couldn’t get his way, ie be the leader of the pack.
He went at it with all the Democrats and liberals, even the social conservatives. Just could not find the pack where he was the leader.
I wish him well. Hope everyone else does the same
Towncrier
June 28th, 2012
8:48 pm
Alrighhhtttyyyy then. I guess I am out. Good night, all.
Jm
June 28th, 2012
8:49 pm
“I’m not so certain of that if it’s repealed in its entirety. It will regardless be political fodder for sometime”
Dude, I doubt republicans will ever have the senate supermajority required to repeal it
Further, there are some republicans who wouldn’t vote to kill it
Obamacare is here to stay
The only option of use is “de-funding”
Fred ™
June 28th, 2012
8:49 pm
Recon 0311 2533
June 28th, 2012
8:35 pm
To my fellow conservatives I disagree with going after Justice Roberts as a turn coat. I think he made a common sense decision that does not help the Obama administration or its campaign in this election year. The AHA is an unpopular bill and all Roberts did with his decision was to hand it back to the voters who will be the rightful deciders in November.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Very Righteous post Del.
Brocephus: Amen.
And with that I’m out. As I have shown in the past I just can’t deal with the
stupiditypartisan BS very well without commenting outside of the rules lol.Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
8:50 pm
Just could not find the pack where he was the leader.
Not going real well next door, either.
Moon Mullins
June 28th, 2012
8:51 pm
Do you think Flip Floppin’ Romney might want Zig Zag Zell as his running mate?
barking frog
June 28th, 2012
8:52 pm
Freeing the states from
medicaid expansion may
leave many poor uninsured.
Recon 0311 2533
June 28th, 2012
8:52 pm
“The only option of use is “de-funding”
Jm,Bingo, that my friend is a real possibility.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 28th, 2012
8:53 pm
Regarding the “Stolen Valor” ruling, does anyone know offhand if any of the members of the SCOTUS have ever been in the military ?
Oscar
June 28th, 2012
8:53 pm
Jm
June 28th, 2012
8:46 pm
____
I agree with most of it except for two things.
One, I think everyone should have the option of buying a high deductable, low premium policy which may not be among the choices offered by any biz.
Two, I shudder at sticking someone for life to decisions they make at age 18. I can remember when I was 18 and it is downright scary to think about. Besides, at 18, a person’s brain, the frontal lobes which regulate common sense, values and judgment, among other things is not even fully grown in yet.
Mos of all I agree that heath insuramce should be completely divorced from employment.
Rightwing Troll
June 28th, 2012
8:54 pm
Bruno
June 28th, 2012
10:40 am
“Just want to say sick it up your asses Libs.
Bruno is done on this blog.”
Yet ANOTHER wingnut lie… one of millions told today…
getalife
June 28th, 2012
8:55 pm
Get over it.
ACA and fast and furies are over.
You lost.
Jm
June 28th, 2012
8:58 pm
“I think everyone should have the option of buying a high deductable, low premium policy which may not be among the choices offered by any biz.”
I agree, but those are often available
On the 18 thing, agreed, have open enrollment every 5 years, but you can only opt in every 5 years, and you sign a 5 year contract, no dropping it until the next window
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
8:58 pm
Wolfgang’s Vault is the bomb.
I cannot even begin to guess how much great music they have turned me onto…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agd6WaqMqd0
TaxPayer
June 28th, 2012
8:58 pm
So, have I missed any good meltdowns.
Doggone/GA
June 28th, 2012
8:59 pm
“One, I think everyone should have the option of buying a high deductable, low premium policy which may not be among the choices offered by any biz”
I don’t think you need to worry. A lot of people NOW don’t know about those and they are still offered. They are cash cows, because anyone who can afford to keep enough money on hand to make them a viable choice is quite likely to also take more care of themselves and be less likely to get really ill.
In fact, they might be the ONLY option available to people with an existing condition that is likely to kill them pretty soon anyway. That way the insurance company can comply with not denying a policy to someone with an existing condition, but can also lower their own risk of having to pay out a lot.
"Information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment" - BHO, May 1, 2010
June 28th, 2012
9:01 pm
President Obama on video during an interview with George Stephanopoulos —-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-ofjXrXio —- – Is it a tax or not? “I absolutely reject that notion.”
“I will NOT raise taxes. Period!” — http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_7WUugsWng
Video and a little serchin’….. Epic Lying Exposed dude who drinks way too much and thinx we iz stupidz….
Don't Forget
June 28th, 2012
9:02 pm
I remember back before the bill was passed when Obama met with the republican senators and he went around the room and asked each senator if there was ANY aspect of the bill they approved of and not a single senator was willing to endorse ANY of it. Let’s be real here. It’s about defeating Obama and nothing else. I wouldn’t mind seeing some changes made, some compromise but that’s not on the table and never was.
Dekalb comments
June 28th, 2012
9:03 pm
I wish the republics well in their campaign to defeat a law that grants to Americans the first promise of hope regarding health care in the nation’s history.
I was at a colleague’s retirement party this evening. It was a very mixed group, conservatives, independents and liberals. What unified everyone on this point was the idea that people could make plans about the future knowing that they knew what the lay of the land would be about healthcare.
If we have one Congress doing one thing and another doing another, an individual will never know what to do, to plan. I had a friend who died of kidney cancer two years ago. He worked full-time up until a month before he died because he needed insurance and he couldn’t afford what COBRA would cost. I told him when he was diagnosed as terminal to stop working and spend his remaining time with friends and family. He did the financial analysis and determined he probably couldn’t afford to do that.
Is that the America you want? If you don’t have a viable alternative to the ACA then you think this was a great outcome – working as long as you could still drag yourself to the office, generating profits for your corporate master, only so that you would be able to see a doctor in the last days of your life. Some country we are.
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
9:03 pm
does anyone know offhand if any of the members of the SCOTUS have ever been in the military ?
I would be shocked if any were.
Although one is a pornography addict that should probably have been impeached. (Where’s Eddie Meese when we need him? LOL!)
Rightwing Troll
June 28th, 2012
9:03 pm
TP, I guess Bruno melted down and started claiming he and his GF were in mortal danger here or something like that… This after he told us “libs” to stick it up our a$$es this morning at 10:40a, and claimed he done with this blog, then proceeded to post and whine a all day…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
9:04 pm
…and thinx we iz stupidz….
Anyone that believes any politician speaking to the camera has already self identified in that category.
DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming
June 28th, 2012
9:05 pm
They are reshowing this 60 minute piece on TV where the 60 minute crew went to all these “Free Clinic” symposiums set up to provide basic health care to people. There are people on the screen decrying the fact that they can’t get basic health care in the United States.
And you cons are crying about a poorly run healthcare system that doesn’t work. These people aren’t bums, or lazy; most have been laid off and once they were laid off LOST their health care.
Millions of americans held hostage to a mafia style enterprise called “HMOs”.
Jm
June 28th, 2012
9:06 pm
Look, I can’t blame Bruno
The home team around here is pretty classless
Rightwing Troll
June 28th, 2012
9:06 pm
The poutrage is off the charts here, Bruno’s done, because he and his girlfriend are in danger… JM is leaving the country… cats living with dogs… lions and tigers and bears… oh my…it’s pandemonium!!!
TaxPayer
June 28th, 2012
9:06 pm
Dang it! I miss all the good stuff. Encore! Encore!
Rightwing Troll
June 28th, 2012
9:07 pm
That pretty much includes you…weren’t you leaving the country?
barking frog
June 28th, 2012
9:08 pm
Taxpayer
simply scroll into the past
it is all still there..
Rightwing Troll
June 28th, 2012
9:08 pm
You know because Bruno and your ilk are sooooo classy….
“Bruno
June 28th, 2012
10:40 am
Just want to say sick it up your asses Libs.
Bruno is done on this blog.”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
9:09 pm
This after he told us “libs” to stick it up our a$$es this morning at 10:40a, and claimed he done with this blog, then proceeded to post and whine a all day…
To be fair, Bruno left at 10:40 and only came back to stomp his feet so he could storm out in true Scarlett O’Hara dramatic fashion.
Rightwing Troll
June 28th, 2012
9:10 pm
Like the drama queen that he is…
Common Damn Sense isn't Very Common
June 28th, 2012
9:12 pm
Brosephus@8:37 pm
At what point is the older generation OLD?
If you are referring to Josef I agree, but not ME.
getalife
June 28th, 2012
9:12 pm
Tax,
Many meltdowns today.
It was a great day to follow American politics.
Rightwing Troll
June 28th, 2012
9:12 pm
That post from the classy act known as Bruno, was, BTW, his first post of the day, on a fresh thread, 2 pages in, unprovoked… True Class that one…
getalife
June 28th, 2012
9:14 pm
jm,
kyle could use the traffic.