Supreme Court strips Romney of favorite argument
So how does Mitt Romney, the architect of RomneyCare, attack ObamaCare from this point forward?
Until now, Romney has claimed that the individual mandate is fine as policy when implemented at the state level. In fact, he has said repeatedly that he believes he did the right thing as governor of Massachusetts.
In a GOP debate in January, for example, Romney defended his plan on its merits, arguing that “everyone has a requirement to either buy it or pay the state for the cost of providing them free care. Because the idea of people getting something for free when they could afford to care for themselves is something that we decided in our state was not a good idea.”
However, while Romney argued that such an approach was right for Massachusetts, he also argued that it would be unconstitutional to implement it at the federal level. That was his get-out-of-jail card; that was the core of the distinction that he attempted to draw between RomneyCare and ObamaCare:
What was good policy at the state level was unconstitutional at the federal level.
Except that as we now know, it’s not. Romney’s argument has been rendered null and void by today’s Supreme Court decision upholding the mandate and the tax penalty used to enforce it.
Romney could, I suppose, try to seize upon the court’s description of the penalty as a tax to try to explain how his plan was different. U.S. Sen. Lindsay Thomas, in an appearance on Fox News this afternoon, was already pitching that line, claiming that “the issue is no longer about health care; it’s about taxes.”
Unfortunately for that line of argument, the tax penalty levied under RomneyCare on those who refuse to buy health insurance differs from that under ObamaCare only by degree, and not in a way friendly to Romney. You see, the maximum tax penalty in RomneyCare, at $1,212, is considerably higher than the maximum of $695 under ObamaCare.
Of course, none of this means that Romney won’t keep attacking the federal plan so clearly modeled after his own strategy. It just means that he won’t be able to do so credibly or logically.
– Jay Bookman
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Adam
June 28th, 2012
6:16 pm
Plus, the benefit that an employer gets for NOT being one of the only ones to not provide healthcare just because they’re a pissed off Obama hater, far outweighs the loss that would happen from them being, well, a pissed off Obama hater. Most people looking for work aren’t going to want to work for someone with that much obvious hate. Now, maybe it’ll be the only job they can get at first, but employers like that have high turnover.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
6:17 pm
You can safely delete my “awaiting moderation” comment Jay. And apologies for its content.
Thomas Heyward Jr.
June 28th, 2012
6:17 pm
From mittromney.com———————
“As president, Mitt will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts…[Roberts] hold[s] dear what the great Chief Justice John Marshall called “the basis on which the whole American fabric has been erected”: a written Constitution, with real and determinate meaning. The judges that Mitt nominates will exhibit a genuine appreciation for the text, structure, and history of our Constitution and interpret the Constitution and the laws as they are written. And his nominees will possess a demonstrated record of adherence to these core principles.”
.
ha ha ha ha ha
Stupid statists.
Aquagirl
June 28th, 2012
6:18 pm
Should’ve bought Inbev stocks today
Stay away from the pharmacies, I’d hate to be trapped between a con and his Xanex today.
barking frog
June 28th, 2012
6:18 pm
getalife
yes. our president got
willardcare enacted.
willard may flip and
reclaim it for the states.
Jay
June 28th, 2012
6:19 pm
You’ve got to love that “crammed down our throats” meme.
You’ve got a president and a party who campaigned on health care reform, who won majorities in both the House and Senate in part on the promise of enacting such reform, and who, after months of debate, passed the bill with a majority in the House and an overwhelming 60-39 vote in the Senate.
If that’s “cramming a bill down our throats,” then every piece of legislation to pass Congress in the past 223 years has been “crammed down our throats.”
F. Sinkwich
June 28th, 2012
6:20 pm
Scoreboard:
Big gov, higher taxes, wrecked economy — 1
Freedom and liberty — 0
At least the Commerce Clause survived. Somehow.
I look forward to O’bozo campaigning on Obamacare. This decision doesn’t make it more popular.
getalife
June 28th, 2012
6:21 pm
They take Xanex mixed with Ambien over at fox news.
I heard one reporter spill the beans.
martin the calvinist
June 28th, 2012
6:22 pm
Doggone, I get you are sharing in the cost for your health care, I’m saying if someone else is paying for mine and I don’t contribute a penny, aren’t I getting health care for free, doesn’t matter if it is the gov’t or a good samaritan, if some one else is paying, I’m getting the product/service for free. And if my understanding of this legislation is correct, If I fall below a certain income level, the gov’t steps up and pays for my health insurance, I call that getting it for free, at least free to me…..and supposedly, gov’t gets it’s income from tax payers, which I don’t pay a lot btw….. or they just print it up and devalue the currency
pogo
June 28th, 2012
6:24 pm
So Jay, you are you admitting that Bush made the right decision on his Supreme Court appointment? Oh my god!! The magnetic poles have just been inverted (Or more plausibly, Jay has just bent again in the political wind again as members of the political press are apt to do). If this is what you are saying, your liberal sycophants will explode Jay. Be careful! But if Roberts would have ruled the other way you most certainly would have castigated him as a partisan hack, wouldn’t you? I mean you were doing it just yesterday weren’t you? And so were the NYT’s and the WP.
Now Obama has been deprived of having the old ” republican activist” Supreme Court thing to defend his huge TAX on the middle class in this campaign, hasn’t he? It is going to be interesting to see how this plays out. I hope to see what the old spoiled retirees are going to say when this thing blooms in all its glory and they find out that they can no longer do what they want to do medically. That may be be a good thing as they have spent this country into oblivion with their countless doctors visits.
Michael, having never heard Neil Boortz anybody else on talk radio I wouldn’t know. I don’t listen to radio talk show hosts of any ilk. Never have and never will. I prefer the press. Rush like Jay has become rich stirring political hatred (}:>}) (that’s a joke Jay, or is it?).
Midori
June 28th, 2012
6:24 pm
aw.
Poor Sink.
Drowning in his own ilk.
martin the calvinist
June 28th, 2012
6:24 pm
Jay, I didn’t vote for a representative, a senator, or a President that voted to inact this legislation. So in a way, it was crammed down my throat…so to speak….
TGT
June 28th, 2012
6:24 pm
Conservatives won a substantial victory Thursday. The physics of American politics — actions provoking reactions — continues to move the crucial debate, about the nature of the American regime, toward conservatism. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. has served this cause.
The health-care legislation’s expansion of the federal government’s purview has improved our civic health by rekindling interest in what this expansion threatens — the Framers’ design for limited government. Conservatives distraught about the survival of the individual mandate are missing the considerable consolation prize they won when the Supreme Court rejected a constitutional rationale for the mandate — Congress’s rationale — that was pregnant with rampant statism.
The case challenged the court to fashion a judicially administrable principle that limits Congress’s power to act on the mere pretense of regulating interstate commerce. At least Roberts got the court to embrace emphatic language rejecting the Commerce Clause rationale for penalizing the inactivity of not buying insurance…
By persuading the court to reject a Commerce Clause rationale for a president’s signature act, the conservative legal insurgency against Obamacare has won a huge victory for the long haul. This victory will help revive a venerable tradition of America’s political culture, that of viewing congressional actions with a skeptical constitutional squint, searching for congruence with the Constitution’s architecture of enumerated powers. By rejecting the Commerce Clause rationale, Thursday’s decision reaffirmed the Constitution’s foundational premise: Enumerated powers are necessarily limited because, as Chief Justice John Marshall said, “the enumeration presupposes something not enumerated.”
When Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), asked where the Constitution authorized the mandate, exclaimed, “Are you serious? Are you serious?,” she was utterly ingenuous. People steeped in Congress’s culture of unbridled power find it incomprehensible that the Framers fashioned the Constitution as a bridle. Now, Thursday’s episode in the continuing debate about the mandate will reverberate to conservatism’s advantage.
getalife
June 28th, 2012
6:24 pm
frog,
I doubt willard can answer questions about his positions .
He has three or four per issue.
Not ready for prime time like rush said.
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
6:25 pm
After billionaires united, the chief justice tried saving face .
getalife, I love that.
And as such will now refer to it as Willard’s Every
MillionaireBillionaire Counts tour.Adam
June 28th, 2012
6:25 pm
Hmmm very interesting. Looks like my small study is affirming the same things (so far) as this paper on how to control employee turnover: http://www.amyhissom.com/MyWritings/Understanding%20and%20Controlling%20Employee%20Turnover.pdf
RB, you might find that link interesting.
Ah who am I kidding. You wouldn’t believe the truth if Jesus himself came down and told you. You’ll either not read it or make excuses as to why statements such as the below CANNOT POSSIBLY be true:
“[T]he real causes of turnover seem to be linked to problems within the organization and not really attributable to attitudes carried by the influx of new employees. The unwillingness on the part of employers to look inward has served both to perpetuate and accelerate the turnover problem”
Rightwing Troll
June 28th, 2012
6:26 pm
“Especially the old retirees, which seem to be the majority of your readers and contributors.”
We’ve asked again and again for the angry wingnuts to go elsewhere, but they won’t…
getalife
June 28th, 2012
6:26 pm
Where did my ilk go?
Old Timer
June 28th, 2012
6:27 pm
Are you the same Old Timer that posted this over on Kyle’s blog???
Nope. But then, Wingfield’s blog is chock full of name-jackers, rejects from this blog, and serial malcontents unhappy with anything that’s happened since 1850.
Rightwing Troll
June 28th, 2012
6:27 pm
Thanks be to the creator above W gave up on putting his cleaning lady up there as CJ of the SCOTUS…
getalife
June 28th, 2012
6:28 pm
Jam,
willard will win the billionaire vote.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
6:28 pm
Let’s tax fatties
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
6:29 pm
We’ve asked again and again for the angry wingnuts to go elsewhere, but they won’t…
Towncrier took his bat and ball to go next door at Kyle’s to do his bawling.
I guess he’s just looking for a sympathetic audience.
Jay
June 28th, 2012
6:29 pm
Pogo, one of the frustrating things about your posts is that you cram about 20 foolish statements into one paragraph, making it all but impossible to jump in and rebut them. The experience is like a predator being confronted by a school of fish or a herd of zebra — you don’t know which one to go after.
But since you’ve repeated this one — “I hope to see what the old spoiled retirees are going to say when this thing blooms in all its glory and they find out that they can no longer do what they want to do medically” — let’s pull it out of the herd and kill it.
Nothing in ObamaCare dictates the doctors that senior citizens on Medicare can see, what treatments they can receive, etc.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
6:29 pm
Let’s tax people who can’t read
pogo
June 28th, 2012
6:30 pm
Nobody that I know if sheep. I don’t take politics that seriously. I maintain that we are ALL being screwed by ALL of them and they will live like kings as are left to scrabble around looking for scraps. And increasingly there is little we can do about it. There are no winners in any of this. NONE.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
6:30 pm
Let’s tax people who live in condos
Jay
June 28th, 2012
6:31 pm
Alright folks, off to dinner. I’ll try to check in later, but please contain the vitriol and personal attacks. With rare exceptions, you’ve all done a good job on that today and I appreciate it.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
6:32 pm
Let’s tax social workers
Doggone/GA
June 28th, 2012
6:32 pm
“I’m saying if someone else is paying for mine and I don’t contribute a penny, aren’t I getting health care for free”
short answer: No
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
6:32 pm
Let’s tax whiny bloomberg trolls.
Rightwing Troll
June 28th, 2012
6:33 pm
To all the wingnuts crowing about how this results in a defeat for Obama, this all I see here and anywhere I go today is the same tired whining and crying from the same folks who never would’ve voted for Obama to begin with. You’ve probably not gained one single solitary vote as a result of this decision, on the other hand you’ve lost quite a few from your unhinged ranting and crying like the little babies you are (remember how Newt’s govt shutdown tantrum worked out for ya?) and possibly quite a few from aneurysms, heart failure, and from hitting their heads from missing the swooning couch as they fell…
Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)
June 28th, 2012
6:33 pm
So, which side of Mt Rushmore do we chisel Judge Robert’s face into?
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
6:33 pm
Important one
Tax homeless people
independent thinker
June 28th, 2012
6:34 pm
Wait until the hundred of millions in excess insurance profits start getting rebated due to Oamacare. You think anyone will care if the mandate is a tax or a penalty?
And where does the funding for free Medicare drugs with no concessions by big Pharma come from?
general taxes but oh I forgot the Republicans never increase taxes out of fear of the Norquist monster and the Koch brothers- let them be forced to eat broccoli for breakfast and lets figure out how to make it constitutional.
Soothsayer
June 28th, 2012
6:34 pm
Judging by the response from the Fright-Wing here today, I can’t wait until Dumbney loses in November. Heads is gonna explode!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 28th, 2012
6:35 pm
Rand Paul on the decision: Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional….
The stoooooopid runs deep with the conned today.
Rightwing Troll
June 28th, 2012
6:35 pm
” There are no winners in any of this. NONE.”
Well then, thank goodness Citizens United was such a winner for us all…
ragnar danneskjold
June 28th, 2012
6:35 pm
Dear Jay, you err. The Supreme Court upheld Romney’s argument, that the Congress lacks the power to mandate purchase of a private product. The Supreme Court also implied that the President lied when he affirmed that ObamaCare was not a tax.
I’d say the battle lines are clearly drawn for November. Mr. Romney pledges to repeal ObamaCare, due to its damaging effect on the economy; Mr. Obama pledges to lead the fight for gay marriage.
martin the calvinist
June 28th, 2012
6:35 pm
doggone, please give me an explanation on why, basic logic (at least my logic) tells me, if I’m not paying for a product or a service but someone else is doing it for me and I don’t have to repay them, I’m getting it free…..
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
6:37 pm
Tax newspapers
ragnar danneskjold
June 28th, 2012
6:37 pm
54% of the population favors repeal of ObamaCare and/or the mandatory tax. How many of those will vote for the President?
Old Timer
June 28th, 2012
6:38 pm
Rand Paul on the decision: Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional….
The stoooooopid runs deep with the conned today.
Naw. That’s just knuckle-dragging blue-grass Kentuckian talk.
lynnie gal
June 28th, 2012
6:38 pm
All the yelling the tea party did about the constitution being violated and wearing those little colonial hats didn’t work. Healthcare is going to be available to everyone, not just for the rich, and those small hearted little numbskulls won’t be able to stop the law from forbidding insurance companies to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions, forbid healthcare creditors (predators) from putting folks into bankruptcy and taking their homes and property because they got sick and thought they had enough coverage. I know that just galls those elderly tea partiers that the middle class and poor who can’t yet qualify for medicare or medicaid can now afford healthcare.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 28th, 2012
6:38 pm
Them “Obama lied” posters are so outraged, they will vote for the liar Romney.
So much for that poutrage.
Doggone/GA
June 28th, 2012
6:39 pm
“doggone, please give me an explanation on why, basic logic (at least my logic) tells me, if I’m not paying for a product or a service but someone else is doing it for me and I don’t have to repay them, I’m getting it free”
If you buy anything, you are helping to pay the wages of the workers. Those workers will be contributing to healthcare insurance, and – indirectly – so will you. If you have to pay a co-pay, it’s not free. If you have to have medication not covered by your policy and you buy it, it’s not free. If you have a deductible, it’s not free.
Nothing in life is free.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
6:39 pm
ragnar: The Supreme Court also implied that the President lied when he affirmed that ObamaCare was not a tax.
1) Not what he said and 2) They did no such thing. Their ruling was based on briefs about the penalty being a tax. By the way, the MANDATE isn’t the tax, the penalty is the tax. You can CHOOSE one or the other. And actually, you can even choose not to pay the “tax.”
fair and balanced
June 28th, 2012
6:39 pm
Best health care system in the world- World Health Organization made it no. 35 due to inefficiency, waste, excess profits and lack of universal coverage. Keep drinking the kool-aide
pogo
June 28th, 2012
6:39 pm
Foolish statements Jay? I suppose that is all in the eye of the beholder! You consider anything that conflicts with YOUR liberal political view of what is right as being foolish therefore your indictment is worthless. I have never seen you even once say that a liberal contributors comments were foolish. Never. And what does that say about your objectivity? It says that you are totally biased.
As for screening, read the bill again Jay. The MRB will tell you whether you will get healthcare or not. It may be a private insurance agency that you are going through but they will be adhering to the rules set before them by the government. The privates are bad enough now but they have just been given carte blanche to do whatever they want by Obama’s bill. And they will make record profits from it.
Tundra Dude
June 28th, 2012
6:40 pm
Meghan Kelly: ““the Supreme Court just woke up a sleeping giant.”
“The Supreme Court just woke up a sleeping giant,” declared Arizona House Republican Dave Schweikert.
Twitter going crazy with “sleeping giant”.
———————————————————
Asleep…or brain dead….
A few conservative intellectuals have known/suspected something wasn’t quite right at least 4 years ago.
Richard A Posner has been a long time federal judge – in fact the first judge appointed to the bench by Saint Ronnie in 1981.
GOP Icon Declares Party “Brain Dead”
My theme is the intellectual decline of conservatism, and it is notable that the policies of the new conservatism are powered largely by emotion and religion and have for the most part weak intellectual groundings. That the policies are weak in conception, have largely failed in execution, and are political flops is therefore unsurprising.
(snipped)
By the fall of 2008, the face of the Republican Party had become Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber. Conservative intellectuals had no party.
http://bit.ly/MtouwL
Joe Biden
June 28th, 2012
6:41 pm
Today’s decision is a big f-ing deal!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
June 28th, 2012
6:44 pm
Reporter Stripped, Sexually Assaulted. CNN.com
Well, it’s a start.
getalife
June 28th, 2012
6:45 pm
Our President watched fox and cnn report the mandate failed.
Then his adviser walks in to tell him the truth.
He could use a cigarette after that.
George W.
June 28th, 2012
6:45 pm
If Obama really wants to get reelected give everyone free drugs like I did with Medicare (you know that gets the old geezers to turn out the vote) and give everyone free emergency room care like Reagan did.
Throw in unlimited services for the handicapped regardless of cost like my father did and you will even get the liberal commies to vote for you. Quit this individual responsibility BS and that pay your fair share nonsense. That won’t buy you votes. This is America.
martin the calvinist
June 28th, 2012
6:46 pm
Nothing in life is free, ha, I got you there! God’s grace is free
all religious talk aside, I see what you are trying to say, I’m just arguing if I never (hope that doesn’t happen) start making significantly more than I do then I either get subsidies and or I am placed in Medicaid and I don’t pay very much if anything at all for health insurance….I don’t believe you pay co-pays on medicaid, or anything in perscription meds either…. some one else is paying it.
I truly believe there isn’t enough wealth in this country to sustain “Obamacare.” I also see it as a wealth redistribution scheme. I believe Senator Max Baucus said this bill is the largest wealth redistribution mechanism ever passed by Congress…..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 28th, 2012
6:47 pm
Well, it’s not much by comparison but along with the Holder contempt vote this is one small victory:
HEADLINE: (CBS/AP) TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – “A federal judge has refused to stop Florida from removing potentially non-U.S. citizens from its voter rolls.
The U.S. Department of Justice sued the state to halt the purge, arguing it was going on too close to a federal election.
U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle said Wednesday that there was nothing in federal voting laws that prevent the state from identifying non-U.S. citizens even if it comes less than 90 days before the Aug. 14 election.
Hinkle ruled that federal laws are designed to block states from removing eligible voters close to an election. He said they are not designed to stop states from blocking voters who should have never been allowed to cast ballots in the first place.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57462408/federal-judge-refuses-to-stop-florida-voter-purge/?tag=stack
P.S. Libs. I believe this judge is a Clinton appointee.
Doggone/GA
June 28th, 2012
6:48 pm
“God’s grace is free”
but it can be withheld if you’re not worthy of it. Being worthy is a form of pay.
getalife
June 28th, 2012
6:48 pm
There are free apps on the iphone.
My favorite is Pandora.
TGT
June 28th, 2012
6:49 pm
Rightwing: You do remember the 2009 VA, NJ gubernatorial victories, the 2010 Scott Brown victory, and the 2010 midterm smack-down (that significantly extended into the state races), right? The energy on the conservative side that led to these victories was due in large part to the unpopularity of Obamacare. Again, as I noted above, there is no reason to think 2012 will be any different. Obamacare continues to be unpopular and, as Obama himself continues his personal unpopularity slide, he now does not have the Supreme Court to run against. Enjoy your Obamacare while you can libs.
josef
June 28th, 2012
6:49 pm
BROSEPHUS
Our old friends at we’re-so-sorry Aetna ought to really be bringing in the shekels now…shoot, best year since 1865… betcha Bartolini’s eyeballs are ching-chinging
“NEW YORK (Dow Jones)–The value of Aetna Inc. (AET) Chairman and Chief Executive Mark T. Bertolini’s total compensation rose 20% to $10.6 million last year largely because of greater stock awards, as well as more perks.
Bertolini’s stock awards, his most valuable form of compensation, increased 25% to $7.3 million, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. His salary and cash bonus also increased, up 6.7% to $1 million and up 5.5% to $2 million, respectively.”
barking frog
June 28th, 2012
6:50 pm
Jm
you better hope they don’t
tax the youseless.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
6:51 pm
Well, it’s not much by comparison but along with the Holder contempt vote this is one small victory:
One VERY small victory. It doesn’t even get 15 minutes of fame. You played your hand, and the game is over. You had a nice hand, but Obama’s was better. Oh well.
PJ
June 28th, 2012
6:51 pm
I often think of young people, especially young adults, when I think of health care. You can have a healthy young adult with nothing but a good life ahead of them that through an accident could they not only become extremely ill but could also put a financial strain on themselves and their families. The young lady who fell from the cord while hang gliding is a perfect example. I don’t know if she had insurance or if her parents had her covered but I know by now that even if she did it must be close to the breaking point if not already broken. No family should be bankrupt by an accident. No family should have to wonder if they will lose their home or have beg for help. We should all want to see this family and others like them to able to worry only about her recovery and not how they are going to pay the bill. Only as a large pool will we as a nation see to it that all families can sleep at night knowing that a castratrophy will not break their will. I have three young adult children of my own and I would move Heaven and Earth for their well being and I feel that way about all of America’s youth.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
6:52 pm
Again, as I noted above, there is no reason to think 2012 will be any different.
Actually there is every reason to believe that a Presidential election turns out more people to vote, and that the enthusiasm gap of the 2010 elections on the left no longer exists. The conservatives, however, still have the same amount of poutrage or less, and have gained a negligible amount of independents, if any at all. There’s also that pesky thing called a “record” for the Republicans who won in 2010.
martin the calvinist
June 28th, 2012
6:52 pm
There are none righteous, no not one, there is no one worthy of God’s grace, but He gives it those who will receive His grace…….Grace is absolutely free! Salvation is by grace alone and not of works lest anyone should boast…….
F. Sinkwich
June 28th, 2012
6:53 pm
O’bozo will probably play an extra round of golf celebrating his victory over freedom.
Roberts is correct in saying that we deserve the politicians (and their policies) we elect. Lib ilks everywhere are doing cartwheels over this legitimized expansion of government control over our lives. This indeed is a sad day for America.
But Americans have overcome wars on freedom and liberty many times. They will again. That’s why I am so optimistic about our future.
Remember, the tea party lives. They are patriots. They vote. This violation will not stand.
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
6:53 pm
Sink
Bet the guy at the gas station and yourself will be pondering for years..
Let me know how that goes
DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming
June 28th, 2012
6:53 pm
Normal: Geez, y’all are such sore losers… give it a rest….Man, what whiny baby’s…
Normal – I kinda figured that out when they went bat sh##t crazy when Clinton was elected. They wasted MILLIONS trying to get him on white water at the same time calling themselves FISCAL conservatives.
Republican War Cry — “Nothing Is Getting Done Unless WE Win!!!”
or, in other words….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeGhCwt4tBE&feature=related
stavros333
June 28th, 2012
6:54 pm
http://youtu.be/fikHJPRwtr0 obama care is romney care
Doggone/GA
June 28th, 2012
6:55 pm
“He gives it those who will receive His grace”
And accepting it is a form of pay. You don’t want it, you don’t have to pay for it by accepting it.
pogo
June 28th, 2012
6:56 pm
“Civilized people don’t cry about paying taxes”
Oh yes you can if you are one of the few left having to pay them.The only ones who embrace tax increases are the ones that don’t have to pay them. Especially seeing how our government throws away hard earned citizens money.
And Jay, as to your bias, you had a blogger today say something to the effect that “why hasn’t the republican controlled congress enacted Obama’s jobs bill?). Why didn’t you tell that person that it is not a “republican controlled congress?”. Last I heard the Dem’s controlled the senate.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
7:00 pm
This indeed is a sad day for America.
Oh go cry in the corner with your Reagan doll
Midori
June 28th, 2012
7:00 pm
that just goes to show you’re not civilized Pogo.
but then, most of us already knew that.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
June 28th, 2012
7:00 pm
Pogo continues in his absurd statements…….. You do realize that if the Republican controlled house passed Obama’s job bill, the Dem controlled Senate would pass the bill (unless obstructed by the Senate Republicans) and Obama would sign it into law.
So why has the Republican controlled house not passed Obama’s job bill? Oh right, because they don’t care about jobs and the objective is to have this country fail.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
7:01 pm
Last I heard the Dem’s controlled the senate.
Last I heard, that filibuster thingie was hanging over their head so nothing could get done.
Last I heard, I would be in the starting line-up for Spain in the Euro 2012 finals on Sunday.
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
7:01 pm
America is headed down a dark road
Subpar growth from here on
Forget lost decade
Think lost decades
Adam
June 28th, 2012
7:03 pm
pogo: The only ones who embrace tax increases are the ones that don’t have to pay them.
I and several others are on record as supporting the Bush Tax cuts expiring for everyone. So nice try, but no. Civilized people do indeed not whine about paying taxes. What they have objections to, sometimes legitimately and sometimes not, is how the money is spent and what laws are made. And that is what elections are for. And this next one will reaffirm that Obama is a better choice right now for this nation. It may decide to put more Republicans in Congress, it may not. But Romney can’t run successfully on just being not Obama.
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
7:03 pm
Pogo
Josef and Bro have already mentioned it. Invest in insurance companies, it will be a wind fall and will more then negate any taxes you incur.
Enjoy the money
Adam
June 28th, 2012
7:04 pm
They BOTH suck:
Sandra
June 28th, 2012
7:05 pm
@Tommy Maddox,
That ’sleeping giant’ is a bunch of people who would let the person next to them die but go nuts if they themselves weren’t saved regardless of whether they have insurance or not.
@Jay, in your first post I just want to say AMEN!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
7:06 pm
Think lost decades
A lost generation.
Beginning in 1980 with the implementation of supply-side, laissez-faire, trickle-on, phlogiston Economics 101.
F. Sinkwich
June 28th, 2012
7:06 pm
I invite any lib ilks around here to make the case that this ruling will be a boost to our economy.
You won’t, because it’s a drag on it.
People might like to have healthcare, but they want jobs first.
Any hope that O’bozo had about an uptick in the economy was doomed with this ruling.
Pyrrhic victory, anyone?
Normal, Human Rights Thug...and liking it!
June 28th, 2012
7:08 pm
http://www.thenation.com/blog/168655/obamacare-upheld-how-and-why-did-chief-justice-do-it?rel=emailNation#
TGT
June 28th, 2012
7:08 pm
the enthusiasm gap of the 2010 elections on the left no longer exists
You mean like what was on display in Wisconsin?
The conservatives…have gained a negligible amount of independents, if any at all.
So all those independents, that voted with conservatives in 2009/2010, are suddenly going to abandon them in 2012 with the arguments being essentially the same? Riiiight.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
7:09 pm
I invite any lib ilks around here to make the case that this ruling will be a boost to our economy.
Insurance companies will be hiring more people, and health care providers will also. Plus, premiums are going to have to approach the penalty amount or else people will dump their insurance in droves. So premiums will be lower over time. Take a look at how Romneycare worked.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
7:11 pm
TGT: You mean like what was on display in Wisconsin?
Yes, the liberals that voted to keep Scott Walker because they don’t like recalls, but still vote for Obama because they like Obama. Also that had a RECORD turnout. Hardly an enthusiasm gap there.
So all those independents, that voted with conservatives in 2009/2010,
All those independents? Don’t suppose you have numbers of independents voting in 2008 versus 2010 do you?
DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming
June 28th, 2012
7:12 pm
Redneck @ 6:44 – read below, that’s why i try to NEVER be in a room or anywhere where I’m the only female. Men start off o.k. then they start acting like animals.
The atmosphere was overwhelmingly festive, with jubilant Egyptians smiling, waving and cheering…………………………………..
But the mood soon darkened as a large group of men began groping her. She was violently separated from her male colleague……………………………………………………
“Men began to rip off my clothes,” she wrote. “I was stripped naked… These men, hundreds of them, had turned from humans to animals.”
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/327574#ixzz1z8GnMpNP
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
7:13 pm
But then, Wingfield’s blog is chock full of name-jackers, rejects from this blog, and serial malcontents unhappy with anything that’s happened since 1850.
True.
And hysterical…
Towncrier
June 28th, 2012
7:13 pm
“You’ve got a president and a party who campaigned on health care reform, who won majorities in both the House and Senate in part on the promise of enacting such reform, and who, after months of debate, passed the bill with a majority in the House and an overwhelming 60-39 vote in the Senate.”
Really, Jay? You honestly think Democrats won big in 2008 because of their promises or more because of the unpopularity of Bush? If it was as you claim, then why did the Democrats get spanked in 2010 and are greatly sweating 2012? Talk about “memes”.
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
7:15 pm
How many of those will vote for the President?
The operative question is, how many will vote for RMoney?
DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming
June 28th, 2012
7:15 pm
numbers – there’s more than one court. The DOJ now has to take the case up to the court here in Atlanta, Northern District. If they win here that other court’s opinion is supplanted.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
7:16 pm
…and are greatly sweating 2012?
Sweating?
I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
7:19 pm
…that led to these victories was due in large part to the unpopularity of Obamacare.
And the fact that women voted in less that historic averages.
Thanks to your pal Rush leading the GOP’s War on Women, I assure you that that is not going to happen again.
After killing OBL and today’s ruling, Barry to Flip and the Flipbots, “That’ll be two terms, please.”
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
7:20 pm
America is headed down a dark road
Fainting couch sales have gone through the roof today!
Jm
June 28th, 2012
7:20 pm
Looks like the health care bubble will continue
November
June 28th, 2012
7:21 pm
I am curious to see over the next few days how much Romney’s coffers fill up because of this ruling. My guess is that donations to him, expressly because of his promise to help repeal this law when elected, will increase dramatically.
Towncrier
June 28th, 2012
7:21 pm
“I don’t think that word means what you think it means.”
I suspect I have a better understanding of what words mean than you do, but we don’t need to get into academic credentials.
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
7:21 pm
or perhaps an individual’s jackassedness is just that, his or her’s alone
That could also be true as well. That said, I have noticed an attempt or two by some of the blog’s self-identified Liberals berating posters of their same ideological bent for saying things that were downright awful this week. I can’t say that I see the same from the more conservative posters. Maybe they overlook the posts or something. I don’t have an answer.
One of these days, I’ll probably align myself with one of the ideologies, but that will happen only after they excommunicate the crazies. I don’t really care for the extremes from either group, whereas the moderates from both sides generally appeal to me.
Jm
June 28th, 2012
7:22 pm
Europe here we come
josef
June 28th, 2012
7:23 pm
Those counting the noses of the disenchanted on Obamacare as falling into the Romney camp need to think again. I think I’ve made it pretty clear that I’m in the don’t much care for it camp, but I certainly ain’t in the Romney camp either. Dislike of the ACA doesn’t equate with a vote for Romney.