Supreme Court strips Romney of favorite argument
So how does Mitt Romney, the architect of RomneyCare, attack ObamaCare from this point forward?
Until now, Romney has claimed that the individual mandate is fine as policy when implemented at the state level. In fact, he has said repeatedly that he believes he did the right thing as governor of Massachusetts.
In a GOP debate in January, for example, Romney defended his plan on its merits, arguing that “everyone has a requirement to either buy it or pay the state for the cost of providing them free care. Because the idea of people getting something for free when they could afford to care for themselves is something that we decided in our state was not a good idea.”
However, while Romney argued that such an approach was right for Massachusetts, he also argued that it would be unconstitutional to implement it at the federal level. That was his get-out-of-jail card; that was the core of the distinction that he attempted to draw between RomneyCare and ObamaCare:
What was good policy at the state level was unconstitutional at the federal level.
Except that as we now know, it’s not. Romney’s argument has been rendered null and void by today’s Supreme Court decision upholding the mandate and the tax penalty used to enforce it.
Romney could, I suppose, try to seize upon the court’s description of the penalty as a tax to try to explain how his plan was different. U.S. Sen. Lindsay Thomas, in an appearance on Fox News this afternoon, was already pitching that line, claiming that “the issue is no longer about health care; it’s about taxes.”
Unfortunately for that line of argument, the tax penalty levied under RomneyCare on those who refuse to buy health insurance differs from that under ObamaCare only by degree, and not in a way friendly to Romney. You see, the maximum tax penalty in RomneyCare, at $1,212, is considerably higher than the maximum of $695 under ObamaCare.
Of course, none of this means that Romney won’t keep attacking the federal plan so clearly modeled after his own strategy. It just means that he won’t be able to do so credibly or logically.
– Jay Bookman
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Jm
June 29th, 2012
12:17 am
“MICHAEL SAVAGE: ‘ROBERTS EPILEPSY MEDICATION AFFECTS HIS COGNITION’…”
Sick drudgey
That Black Guy
June 29th, 2012
12:18 am
Towncrier
June 29th, 2012
12:15 am
“Just one warning. I’m a Black “con” :8)”
That makes 9 I have counted to date
____________________________________________
And that means…
Towncrier
June 29th, 2012
12:20 am
“Sick drudgey”
I have listened to Savage a few times…he has a way with words, but he is off the chain many times. He and Rush are too over the top. I much prefer Bennett, Medved, Hewitt and guys like that if I am going to listen to conservative talk radio.
Jm
June 29th, 2012
12:20 am
Kam
Meh
Bruno was pals with some of you turkeys and cared, and apparently had a lot at stake on obamacare
That drove his meltdown
Me, less so. Don’t really care
Towncrier
June 29th, 2012
12:22 am
“And that means…”
It was a sarcastic aside to liberals here who probably think there are only nine conservative blacks in all of America (which is absurd).
Jm
June 29th, 2012
12:22 am
Town crier
Most of those guys are unhinged
I listen to NPR to get a sense of what the other crazies are thinking
But I read Cato
Jm
June 29th, 2012
12:24 am
Town crier.
I can only count 3
Thomas
The congressman in FL
And TBG
Who are the other 6? Kidding
Jm
June 29th, 2012
12:24 am
And Bloomberg as kam loves to point out
That Black Guy
June 29th, 2012
12:24 am
Towncrier
June 29th, 2012
12:22 am
“And that means…”
It was a sarcastic aside to liberals here who probably think there are only nine conservative blacks in all of America (which is absurd).
_______________________________________________
Gotcha’ TC. I guess I’m so tierd I missed the /sarc. My bad.
And with that, ‘Nite all.
Towncrier
June 29th, 2012
12:25 am
“Most of those guys are unhinged”
Well, a good means of distinguishing between the crazies and the smarties is this: do they have a lot of guests (even from the other side) on their show (Medved, Hewitt, Bennet) – or do they just talk at you for 3 hours at a time (Bortz, Rush, Savage and others)?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 29th, 2012
12:26 am
That drove his meltdown
Me, less so. Don’t really care
At least two other have committed blog suicide here, and neither one had to do with Obamacare. All three have one thing in common, needy, attention seeking behavior.
Signs that you are definitely exhibiting.
They BOTH suck
June 29th, 2012
12:27 am
Jm & TC
The REAL lefty crazies are Shultz (Rush’s evil twin), Motherjones.com, Truthout.org
Those are the real deal. The things you guys call socialistic are mainstream and right leaning compared to the names and sites I gave you
That is REAL LEFT
Towncrier
June 29th, 2012
12:30 am
“The REAL lefty crazies are Shultz (Rush’s evil twin), Motherjones.com, Truthout.org
Those are the real deal. The things you guys call socialistic are mainstream and right leaning compared to the names and sites I gave you
That is REAL LEFT”
I’ll have to check them out, TBS. I don’t mind someone holding (even passionately) a position other than mine just so long as it is a reasoned one. That is why I really like Medved and Hewitt, because they have some pretty smart liberals come on their shows and they engage them in debate.
Towncrier
June 29th, 2012
12:33 am
Okay…out again…gn all.
They BOTH suck
June 29th, 2012
12:34 am
TC
You know I lean left, to a degree, those folks are real socialist.
No offense, but many on the right scream socialist too much. Waters down the impact. Those sites are real deal far left thoughts. Make me look center right (which I am on several issues) for sure
Jim163
June 29th, 2012
1:29 am
I just want to know, what kind of tax it is? Excise or Income?
Oscar
June 29th, 2012
1:31 am
im163
June 29th, 2012
1:29 am
____
It’s just a tax tax.
Oscar
June 29th, 2012
1:31 am
im163
June 29th, 2012
1:29 am
____
It’s just a tax tax.
Oscar
June 29th, 2012
1:36 am
After more reflection, I would say it’s a user fee tax. It’s a tax to pay for the use of medical and health facilities by those who chose not to pay for it by using heath insurance.
It reimburses the government for use of the health care system. Those that buy health insurance have their servicies paid for by the insurace company. Others pay the government through the tax as a user fee tax.
marko
June 29th, 2012
6:02 am
Individual mandates were a conservative idea. They didn’t become creeping socialism till Obama suggested them. For true lefties, this ruling drives a stake through the heart of the single payer health care system they dreamed of. The insurance companies will rule forever. W saved the banks, and Obama has left the insurance companies in control of the health care system. The banks will continue to loan money to those privileged individuals that can prove that they don’t need it, and the insurance companies will do the same with health care. Why the outrage? this is a great day for the corporations are people crowd. It seems that some are only happy when they’re outraged about something.
Speaking of outrage, Why isn’t Romney’s magic underwear in a wad about people calling his health care plan Obama care. While he was fathering the health care system the nation would later adopt as it’s own, Massachusetts was a whopping 47th in job growth. Ever wonder why Romney was a one term governor?
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 29th, 2012
6:07 am
Good friday morning all y’all…
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/06/28/political-pictures-the-dog-people-never-forget/
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 29th, 2012
6:09 am
Gyess what they’re really celebrating?
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/06/28/political-pictures-orange-mocha-frappuccinos/
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 29th, 2012
6:22 am
Normal – the 6:09 made me snort.
and you’re damned straight dog people don’t forget!
Happy Friday, my friend!! are you seeing the grand and great grand kids this weekend and/or for the 4th???
Fred ™
June 29th, 2012
6:35 am
Yo USin UK AKA cooking blog chick: Your latest, the deconstructed puttanesca ( http://redskitchendiaries.wordpress.com/2012/06/23/deconstructed-pasta-puttanesca-salad/ ) sounds AWESOME. Have you ever tried fresh mozzarella instead of the parm? There’s a place here now (probably wasn’t here when you lived in Atlanta) that makes their own Mozzarella and it’s awesome.
I’m making a gazpacho today but plan on your deconstruction on Sunday when the wife gets home. I don’t know what happened to my word press ID. I used to reply to Mary Elizabeth on her blog so I know I had one, but it doesn’t work on yours……..
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 29th, 2012
6:36 am
USinUK,
“are you seeing the grand and great grand kids this weekend and/or for the 4th???”
Oh Hell yeah! Tuesday night is a fire work display we are going to see, Wednesday, a day doing family things (it’s a secret Grandpa), and then a grilling adventure by Normal! Good times had by all…
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 29th, 2012
6:46 am
Hi Fred!!
thanks – and, yes, it IS awesome!! I think Fresh Mozz would be amazing in it – but I was working with what I had in the fridge at the time … Parm I had, Mozz I had not.
I’m posting my Sassy Summer Jam this weekend – and, if the reaction at the office is anything to go by, it’s definitely a winner!!
(I have commenting on my blog, so let me know if you continue to have problems)
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 29th, 2012
6:47 am
Normal – give them extra cuddles and love and sorberts from their second biggest fan on this here blog
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 29th, 2012
6:48 am
btw, Fred – let me know how the gazpacho goes!! what are you serving with it??
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 29th, 2012
6:48 am
Who says the jobs are not out there…
http://history.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/06/28/funny-pictures-history-oil-up-those-skates/
Fred ™
June 29th, 2012
6:51 am
What am I serving it with? Really lol? I was thinking water. Or maybe some red wine if honey wants some. Looks like a meal to me, especially in this heatwave we are about to have. What did you serve it with? I thought it was stand alone…….
Fred ™
June 29th, 2012
6:59 am
Oh crap sorry USinUK, I read that wrong, I thought you were asking what I would serve the puttanesco with lol. I’ll serve the gazpacho with some grilled shrimp or pan seared scallops and some “yummy” bread. I haven’t decided what type of bread.
I saw the grilled shrimp idea the last time I made gazpacho and tried it. Honey went bat sh.t over it so I guess I’ll try it again. It was one of the better reactions I have gotten lately on a dish. I use Alton Brown’s recipe with a couple of modifications (including the grilled shrimp). The first link has the ingredients and the second one is a video (1 minute 41 seconds) that shows how easy it is to make……
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/gazpacho-recipe/index.html
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrmvsu_how-to-make-gazpacho-with-jalapenos_lifestyle
Rightwing Troll
June 29th, 2012
7:02 am
Two instances of fisticuffs last night after I went to bed?
godless heathen
June 29th, 2012
7:06 am
What a great day yesterday was. The Supreme Court delivered a “Commerce Clause” smackdown and affirmed the right of the American people to make stupid choices on the first Tuesday in November.
“It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.” – Chief Justice John Roberts
godless heathen
June 29th, 2012
7:11 am
It reimburses the government for use of the health care system. Those that buy health insurance have their servicies paid for by the insurace company. Others pay the government through the tax as a user fee tax.
So when the hospital treats an uninsured person, they will just send the bill to the Fed Government instead of making the insured pay for it?? Or have you all been duped?
ken
June 29th, 2012
7:13 am
Lost more freedom yesterday. You know what is next.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 29th, 2012
7:20 am
lost more freedom yesterday?
how terribly sad that is for you.
all i lost was my key chain….and i found it under my desk.
Brosephus™
June 29th, 2012
7:22 am
Mornin’ folks/Afternoon USinner!!!!
That Black Guy
If you pop through this morning, I wanna know what you were eating/drinking last night. You had me in tears from laughing so hard this morning. I really needed a good laugh too.
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godless heathen
June 29th, 2012
7:06 am
What a great day yesterday was. The Supreme Court delivered a “Commerce Clause” smackdown and affirmed the right of the American people to make stupid choices on the first Tuesday in November.
“It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.” – Chief Justice John Roberts
ken
June 29th, 2012
7:13 am
Lost more freedom yesterday. You know what is next.
Which one of those two appear capable of independent thought instead of listening to pundits and/or talk radio?
stands for decibels
June 29th, 2012
7:25 am
You know what is next.
Galt Gulch, baybee.
stands for decibels
June 29th, 2012
7:29 am
Which one of those two appear capable of independent thought
While like “godless,” I’m fairly certain there are pundits delivering that “it’s really a victory for us” salve on the intertubes and radio as I type.
Truth is, this ruling will be seen by lotsa folks lotsa ways. I heard an interesting discussion of what the Medicaid limitation could mean for future endeavors–for instance, the means by which the Feds essentially imposed a reduction on the drinking age through highway funding? That sort of thing could be impossible going forward, if challenged legally.
stands for decibels
June 29th, 2012
7:29 am
“While *I* like ‘godless’…” I meant, above.
carlosgvv
June 29th, 2012
7:29 am
Romney has already done a 180 on many of the views he held as Governor. He’s had no problem looking straight into the camera and lying like a rug as he explains how his views have “evolved”. So, as before, he will come up with some lame explanation and keep on lying about how this plan was good for Mass. but it’s bad for the country. Republican supporters don’t really care since it’s becomming increasingly clear that what they really want, deep down, is a whiter White House.
GT
June 29th, 2012
7:32 am
Does Obamacare lower the annual fees of Romneycare?
The tax that the Republican Party now rallies against is on the poor in this health care situation. I don’t think the parties being taxed are near as troubled by the tax as their champion the Republican Party. I think this is a lot like CNN and FOX yesterday putting out half baked cakes on incorrect information on their networks trying to beat the big boys on the air. When the Republicans account for their thinking they will once again find thinking is not their strong suit, but red meat throwing is. Their base will buy this, that is why they are the GOP base in the first place, the paranoid outcast of society. It is the swing voters who now look at this thinking and other thoughts like it and wonder if this group can really govern or just produce soap
operas.
Irony abounds
June 29th, 2012
7:33 am
Of course it won’t be a tax to those who get a refundable credit to pay for it. Free lunch. You don’t like that,too bad, keep working as you need to pay for one or two people who don’t pay fed taxes.
Ironic that CJ Roberts has turned so liberal this week on a number of issues, as Senators Obama and Biden voted against his confirmation (I’m sure without checking his creds, just on some idea of ideological grounds). While I don’t agree with his decision (”let’s just call everything a tax”), kudos to him for ruling as he saw fit. Now if we only had a President and Congress that could do something along those lines, rather than blind ideology (Marxism in former case, some crazy notion of retaining power in latter).
Brosephus™
June 29th, 2012
7:38 am
dB
There are some delivering that message, and you know me, being the good liberal that I am **sarc alert**, I’ve listened to those messages and somewhat agree with them. In the grand scheme of things, I think there was only one “true” winner yesterday, and I think that was the medical insurance industry. I think Roberts gave them at least 10-20 more years before they go the way of the dinosaur. Eventually, we’ll be on a single payer system, and when that happens, it’s buh-bye private sector medical insurance companies. There may be a small market for individual supplimental coverages, but they won’t control 1/6th of our economy anymore.
A Simple Man
June 29th, 2012
7:39 am
I’ll remember this blog in a few months when my taxes go up. Jay says it won’t be a tax on me because I have health care and act responsibly. This is after months of Democrats saying it’s not a tax at all. Now it’s a tax I won’t pay. Right, and the toll booths on 400 are temporary.
TiredOfIt
June 29th, 2012
7:40 am
Complain about taxes then blame the war freaks.
Well by and by, way after many years have gone,
And all the war freaks die off, leavin’ us alone.
We’ll raise our children in the peaceful way we can,
It’s up to you and me brother
To try and try again
Don't Forget
June 29th, 2012
7:40 am
A two-income American family with an average income that dutifully invests in a 401(k) plan using typical strategies will lose $155,000 – or about 30 percent of what they should have saved for retirement — to Wall Street fees, according to a study by an economic justice advocacy organization.
This is one of the reasons I really can’t stand Wall Street these days. I’m not anti business, that would be stupid. And I don’t expect them to work for free, that would be unreasonable. But having 30% of a family’s retirement go to these greedy basturds is just ridiculous. We see conservatives pitch a fit at the notion of the top marginal tax rate going up 4% but not a peep about this highway robbery. It makes no sense.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 29th, 2012
7:47 am
A simple man
I can solve your problem.
Move to Massachsetts.
Then you won’t have to pay the tax.
You’ll only have to pay “the personal responsibility clause”….
(oh and never mind that it’s twice the size…it ain’t a “tax”)
You’ll learn to love the red socks and Sam Adams Lager.
AU Liberal in ATL
June 29th, 2012
7:48 am
The healthcare law is mostly good for Amierca. It just doesn’t go far enough and we have to wait too long for most of it to take effect.
So, why can’t opponents just be honest? This is not about the law. It’s not about any tax. It’s about the President. It’s about bigotry and racism. Don’t give me that crap about having black friends. Are any of your black friends living the “White” House? No, I didn’t think so. I’m sure your black friends know their place which allows you to “love” them.
Gale
June 29th, 2012
7:49 am
Listening to a Cigna rep interview last night. Oh how he danced around a direct question of, “Will insurance premiums go up?”
GT
June 29th, 2012
7:55 am
Free lunch and dying in the street are not the same interpretation.
I truly thought of taxes yesterday morning before this decision. The justice that compared health care to broccoli is like the man mentioning it in the same contents of a free lunch. The well being of our national health is far more enjoining than the choice of a side dish. When we discovered secondary smoke can kill you just like smoking itself, even the red meat crowd didn’t harp too much about banding it from the public. Allow the health of the general public to deteriorate and you will find it effects all classes.
The right is not motivated by moral issues unless it is abortion so that argument is off their table, but the practicality of this law is there too. One of the reasons Europe has national health care is they have seen the plagues kill thousands in their population rich and poor. Preventive health practices is like forest preservation, it is good for the entire forest not just a few trees.
Don't Forget
June 29th, 2012
7:58 am
If you’re a conservative and you don’t like this bill you really have no one to blame but your party. When you take a position that you won’t compromise, that you’re primary goal is to defeat a sitting president and you will simply obstruct as much as possible, there is one unavoidable consequence…..you’ve give up your representation. If all you care about is denying Obama any legislative success then the strategy, although a failure, reflects your desire. But if you want a voice in how the country moves forward, you were not represented.
A lot of things he got wrong, but one thing he got right
June 29th, 2012
7:59 am
When George W. Bush chose Chief Justice Roberts, he probably never knew what role the Justice would play in a landmark history making decision!!
Obama/Biden 2012
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 29th, 2012
8:02 am
GT
June 29th, 2012
7:55 am
Well said.
Hmmmmmmmm
June 29th, 2012
8:02 am
A sad day for America. I wonder how much more she can take… November will be the final straw. Let’s see how many of the silent majority will wake up and vote this cancer out of office…
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 29th, 2012
8:04 am
Hmmmmm, I say vote to KEEP a cancer OUT of office…
stands for decibels
June 29th, 2012
8:06 am
I think there was only one “true” winner yesterday, and I think that was the medical insurance industry.
I hear that a lot.
Let’s not lose sight of something though–they are now regulated in a manner they weren’t before. It’s not like you can’t have a manageable system through private insurers; I know it’s a vastly different nation, but Switzerland manages this approach pretty well.
GT
June 29th, 2012
8:11 am
What the right refuses to acknowledge is doing nothing is as bad a formula as writing bad legislation. It is like watching your neighbor’s house burn down because you don’t like your neighbor. Then the next year you have to look at the eyesore of the burned out house and you complain about it.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 29th, 2012
8:12 am
Vote this cancer out of office?
Love me some melodrama with my raisin bran.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 29th, 2012
8:16 am
Off topic, but very cool…
A key House Democrat supports providing full military and veterans benefits to same-sex couples.
Rep. Adam Smith of Washington, ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, introduced a bill that would redefine “spouse” when it comes to military benefits to follow state law for the place where the couple married. If the marriage was legal, the couple would get the same benefits as a wife and husband.
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/06/military-adam-smith-seeks-same-sex-benefits-military-couples-062812w/
stands for decibels
June 29th, 2012
8:17 am
What the right refuses to acknowledge is
… more than one could possibly fit into a two terrabyte drive.
Hmmmmmmmm
June 29th, 2012
8:17 am
@ Granny
They say he has a good golf game…. That’s really the only thing this man is focused on… Oh, and duping people with simple minds…. People, anytime your freedom and liberties are taken away, it’s bad… That’s as simple as it gets. If you can’t understand that, then you deserve what you get…. Good day.
godless heathen
June 29th, 2012
8:19 am
Bro: Eventually, we’ll be on a single payer system, and when that happens, it’s buh-bye private sector medical insurance companies. There may be a small market for individual supplimental coverages, but they won’t control 1/6th of our economy anymore.
I said back when this so-called Obamacare bill was being debated that it wouldn’t work and those that proposed it know it won’t work – it is designed to fail. But what it will accomplish is to get the hairy camel’s nose of the Fed Govt farther into the tent of the 1/6th of the economy and it will be so bad that the people will welcome the smelly beast all the way in to spend the night.
Joseph
June 29th, 2012
8:19 am
Repeal and replace! Get ready to hear that a lot in the coming months libs…
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 29th, 2012
8:22 am
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Golf Envy?
Par for the course.
Yuk Yuk Yukety Yuk
Joseph
June 29th, 2012
8:22 am
Yet another broken promise….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99KFGiBc7Vw&utm_medium=email&utm_source=et&utm_content=http%3a%2f%2fwww.youtube.com%2fwatch%3fv%3d99KFGiBc7Vw&utm_campaign=1387554_237415_RNC%20Communications
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 29th, 2012
8:23 am
godless heathen
check yourself dude…you gotta camel nose
tee hee hee
stands for decibels
June 29th, 2012
8:24 am
People, anytime your freedom and liberties are taken away, it’s bad…
Yes. And any time some blowhard lies to you about freedoms and liberties being taken away, it’s also bad. Which is more bad? Probably the former.
But it’s debatable, since the latter is likely to lead to the former…
Joseph
June 29th, 2012
8:24 am
I figured Jay would have already posted some tripe about Holder by now… You know the usual its the Republicans playing politics while the Terry family waits for answers…
MiltonMan
June 29th, 2012
8:27 am
“What the right refuses to acknowledge is doing nothing is as bad a formula as writing bad legislation. It is like watching your neighbor’s house burn down because you don’t like your neighbor. Then the next year you have to look at the eyesore of the burned out house and you complain about it.”
Tells you how clueless this guy is. There are laws on the books for removing blights within neighborhoods, cities, counties, etc. One of the few things about having a HOA is that “they” got a burnt out house demolished after 2 weeks of “sitting there” after insurance investigation.
Of course, “they” had to make some calls to get this done.
godless heathen
June 29th, 2012
8:28 am
check yourself dude…you gotta camel nose
Better than camel toes?
stands for decibels
June 29th, 2012
8:29 am
oh, and Hmm?
If you think that being required to behave responsibly and fund health insurance for yourself and your family constitutes losing freedom and liberty, then I can only hazard a guess as to what other ordinary obligations borne by a typical citizen of any modern industrialized nation, are considered by you to be additional freedoms and liberties “lost.”
Maybe you could make us a list?
Hmmmmmmmm
June 29th, 2012
8:29 am
@ Granny
Funny….. Maybe a little envy… I’m sure he has a better set of clubs… I sleep better at night, knowing that I am honest and have integrity… I have to give him credit….. This man can Lie, cheat and steal….. and still not be held accountable… Simply amazing…
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 29th, 2012
8:31 am
It would be good to get some clarity on the romneycare v obamacare penalties, because I’ve seen it described multiple different ways
This one is more expensive no that one is
Not that I suppose it matters much
But it doesn’t bode well for health consumer clarity
godless heathen
June 29th, 2012
8:31 am
Still wondering. Any “experts” on ACA got an answer?
When the hospital treats an uninsured person, will they just send the bill to the Fed Government instead of making the insured pay for it??
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 29th, 2012
8:32 am
….. This man can Lie…
A lie?
Sorta kinda like the smoking gun is the mushroom cloud kinda lie?
Brosephus™
June 29th, 2012
8:32 am
Don’t Forget
You’re using too much truth this morning. As your blog doctor, I’m prescribing an IV drip of 10% rhetoric to be given over a 2 hour period. Stat!!
GT
June 29th, 2012
8:32 am
Now it is about voting? A president was elected by the majority of this country, which was not always the case with Bush. The right had absolutely no respect for this majority and like an underground army they tried to undermine O at every turn. They claim he was unconstitutional and spent millions of dollars from areas that don’t have millions to litigate. Does anyone remember Baker refused to join this suit seeing what it was. He said the state does not have the money to throw away. Baker turned out to be right, which is this case is a good thing.
The right should have been into the political a long time ago, not the courts or destructive tactics from dark corners of Washington. Truth is the dog won’t eat the dog food. They can’t win a national election unless something tragic happen to this country. Some party that banks its resources on shorting the country it claims to love.
MiltonMan
June 29th, 2012
8:33 am
“If you think that being required to behave responsibly and fund health insurance for yourself and your family constitutes losing freedom and liberty,…”
You have no problem with the government making the call on what is best for the individual? And why stop at healthcare? How about vision care, dental care, etc., etc.?
And let’s not forget about how the government does such a wonderful job with Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, transportation of guns to Mexico, etc., etc.
Hmmmmmmmm
June 29th, 2012
8:33 am
@ stands for decibels….
All I can say ….. Your a complete fool if you think that this is what Obama is selling…. Just get some help sir…. This country is fighting for its life and people like you are helping it down the toilet…
Joseph
June 29th, 2012
8:34 am
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people:
The easy explanation is one is the state level and the other effects every American.. I could care less what the cost is in Massachusetts is.
MiltonMan
June 29th, 2012
8:35 am
“Now it is about voting? A president was elected by the majority of this country, which was not always the case with Bush.”
psst, hey pal. We don’t elect the president of the US based upon winning the popular vote. Look it up.
Rightwing Troll
June 29th, 2012
8:35 am
“I figured Jay would have already posted some tripe about Holder by now… You know the usual its the Republicans playing politics while the Terry family waits for answers…”
As do the families of 3000+ soldiers who died in the name of WMD’s… where’s the investigation about that? Where’s the outrage, or in your case, poutrage?
Brosephus™
June 29th, 2012
8:36 am
godless
No argument from me on that. The one thing I’d add is that, just as the free market works, the primary antagonist in this whole thing is the medical insurance industry itself. Had they found a way to do their thing without kicking so many to the curb and/or preventing many from getting coverage, then there would have been no need for any type of reform.
Newton’s law is at work in this case. For every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction.
JamVet
June 29th, 2012
8:36 am
Morning, gang.
O,. gonna be out making dough for most of the day, so I can’t stay and watch the Repulicant flailing and thrashing and gnashing of teeth. Oh my.
My only regret is that I am not a fainting couch salesman today.
Up where I’m going, I could unload every single one at top dollar prices.
(I’d have a sign reading, Your liberty was just stolen! And maybe some other clever one about the biggest tax increase in history.)
Good times in Connedville.
And bring back George! Get ready to hear that a lot in the coming months.
For my despondent neocons pals…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06pIHuL631c
Aquagirl
June 29th, 2012
8:36 am
Tells you how clueless this guy is. There are laws on the books for removing blights within neighborhoods, cities, counties, etc.
I wish I had bought stock in earplugs. Since about 10 am yesterday, the whooshing sound of points sailing over con heads has been deafening.
Brosephus™
June 29th, 2012
8:37 am
RomneyCare Sheetz!!!
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 29th, 2012
8:37 am
This should get more fun
WTF do you have to do, submit a copy of you insurance plan along with your tax return?
What else do they want? My medical records? Next it will be what fricking size shoe I wear….
MiltonMan
June 29th, 2012
8:38 am
“The right should have been into the political a long time ago, not the courts…”
Let’s just conveniently sweep under the rug the Dems & their court efforts to have the election of Bush annulled.
Thomas
June 29th, 2012
8:39 am
Impose an annual tax of $95, or up to 1% of income, whichever is greater, on individuals who do not secure insurance; this will rise to $695, or 2.5% of income, by 2016. This is an individual limit; families have a limit of $2,085.[
It will most likely be a tax paid on your form 1040. It would appear the game would be pay the penalty, if better/cheaper for you, then buy the insurance at the hospital when needed.
Sets us up for interesting debates coming to a town near you-
How stupid can the left possibly be???
June 29th, 2012
8:39 am
While one European country after another desperately tries to get keep themselves from being officially bankrupt we have a leader that thinks this same failed and idiotic blueprint is perfect of the US?
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! United Socialist America! United Socialist America! United Socialist America! United Socialist America!
MiltonMan
June 29th, 2012
8:40 am
“I wish I had bought stock in earplugs. Since about 10 am yesterday, the whooshing sound of points sailing over con heads has been deafening.”
Lame at best.
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 29th, 2012
8:41 am
Hmmm
You really got a hate-on for the President.
If it lasts more than 4 hours or if your sight seems blue, see a dr.
stands for decibels
June 29th, 2012
8:41 am
Your a complete fool if you think that this is what Obama is selling…
I guess you don’t want to tell me what, besides the PPACA, constitutes a “loss of freedom and liberty to you.” Oh well, I tried.
How stupid can the left possibly be???
June 29th, 2012
8:42 am
@GT
The left are the only known and well documented cheaters. You are only trying to fool yourself here. The left cannot win an election without several million fictional characters and dead people casting votes.
Hmmmmmmmm
June 29th, 2012
8:42 am
@How stupid can the left be???
VERY…. But then again, some of these people will be screaming the loudest, when they finally wake up… Pathetic!
stands for decibels
June 29th, 2012
8:43 am
While one European country after another desperately tries to get keep themselves from being officially bankrupt
Actually, the Euro country *I* cited as one whose lead we might take on a private-public health insurance partnership was Switzerland, which isn’t part of the Eurozone, and which certainly isn’t going bankrupt, “officially” or otherwise.
Normal Free...Pro Human Rights Thug...And liking it!
June 29th, 2012
8:43 am
Hmmmmmmmm,
Take a Valium…you’ll feel better.
stands for decibels
June 29th, 2012
8:43 am
@How stupid can the left be???
VERY…. But then again, some of these people will be screaming the loudest, when they finally wake up… Pathetic!
Isn’t it nice when two Mystery Meats meet?
MiltonMan
June 29th, 2012
8:44 am
“WTF do you have to do, submit a copy of you insurance plan along with your tax return?”
We were informed this week that our company-provided insuranace coverage will now be considered taxable income and therefore be part of payroll deduction in 2014. There were alot of questions but the most interesting (and could not be answered by HR) was who defines the “value” of the coverage? And what about if you live in a city with a higher cost of living?