Chief Justice Roberts singlehandedly saves ObamaCare

Mixed blessings….. we still need single payor

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can’t help it … call I can say is “heh”

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So now Jay likes the Supreme Court?

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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!

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… waiting for Ann Coulter to say that Roberts should be poisoned

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Well,
I never would have believed it. There IS sanity in at least one of the Justices… Thank the Great Spirit!

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FLD – 10:18 – word!

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BOOM!!!!

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Jay what are we gonna do with these activist judges?

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Molon Labe mf’ers…………Molon Labe.

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Great day for America! The Supreme Court has gained tremendous creditability in two decisions this week and is truly the guardian angel of truth and justice that made this the greatest country on earth.

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On the Medicaid issue, a majority of the Court holds that the Medicaid expansion is constitutional but that it w/b unconstitutional for the federal government to withhold Medicaid funds for non-compliance with the expansion provisions.

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How many times did Obama tell us that the individual mandate was not a tax?

Now Obama and the Dems have given us the largest tax increase in the nations history.

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In a dramatic victory for President Barack Obama, the Supreme Court upheld the 2010 health care law Thursday, preserving Obama’s landmark legislative achievement.

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It’s a good day for millions of Americans, many of whom either won’t realize it today or will be angry about, who will have health isnurance when needed. It’s also good for the rest of us that have insurance all along and will have less need to pay for other peoples health costs. Now the US needs to truly reform the health system so that we no longer spend so much of our resources and get so little in return.

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Its constitutional !

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Thanks Jay. I now remember predictions that many people will opt for the penalty “tax” rather than pay for insurance which they cannot afford, even with subsidies. We need single payer not the HCA.

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FrankLeeDarling @10:21 am

Very, very funny! Good one!

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Deport the GOP

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You know… I’m still trying to wrap my mind around this whole “Obama’s is a failure, incompetent, ill-equipped, etc, etc.. ” thing. People can say what they want, the guy always seems to be THREE steps ahead of everybody else politically and policy-wise, even when he appears to be on the ropes. I think that is what pisses his detractors off so much. It’s funny!!

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Now Romny can claim it was his idea the whole time.

This ^^^^^^^^^

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Mitt Romney’s Healthcare Plan……..Is Constitutional! Thank-you Mitt for the plan you gave President Obama. Leading From Behind , Again!

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Yea because this was all about your “health”….really??

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Finn: True true, Romney can take credit for all this

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The Tea Party is not dead. This was the last straw, and Obama will be voted out in November, along with the rest of the Dem goons. Then we will see how everything shakes out in end with ACA, I don’t necessarily trust GOP to get rid of it properly. But Obama’s days are numbered, despite what the talking heads are saying.

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JF
I saw the same thing on CNN. Glad you did too. Thought I was losing it.

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I said it would be upheld. Check my posts. I guess the supreme court is crazy. You never know what they’ll do.

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Apologies – you can’t refuse to pay the tax; typo. The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax

Wanna bet?

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The Tea Party is not dead. This was the last straw, and Obama will be voted out in November, along with the rest of the Dem goons.

Whistling past the graveyard.

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Hiya, Midori!

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martin the calvinist
June 28th, 2012
10:21 am: “Victory for tyranny…..what else can the gov’t force on us for our own good..”

I’m rooting for education…

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This tax will be taken out of your tax refund… Thank goodness though we have a Republican Congress and soon to be Republican Senate and White House that will repeal this abomination…

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Joseph,

after reading your posts the past couple days, I have to say I really, really hope you get the help you so sorely need.

Try a valium.

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All you uninformed people…… You simply will be the last nail in the coffin… If we could only focus and educate ourselves to really what’s going on in this country…. But hey, we are the American Idol generation…. Who really cares… Kinda Sad.

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Paul

I think you called it with Chief Justice Roberts earlier this week. That one was like calling a homerun shot before the first pitch.

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Hi Kammy

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Hmmmm….. funny to see all the flips already and the claims of “so the cons had a great idea”. Wonder if they will lament how much money has been spent by them to fight their great ideas and cheer how Obama is a great conservative who implemented a great conservative idea…

Hold your breath….I am sure it is coming.

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Hi Bro

Hi Paul

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Everyone on Fox sounds like Chris Berman @ ESPN doing his Sunday football highlights

“Stumbling, Rumbling, Fumbling……………”

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and then there was Mary Elizabeth….

Strength and moral courage… Good Grief… Just get some help!

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what else can the gov’t force on us for our own good..

celery?

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If its a tax then it is constitutional. Obama said it wasnt a tax. Think he will mention the part about raising taxes in his statement? I bet not.

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So the conservative concept of using an individual mandate was legal. Interesting!

Yep, although they abandoned that sommamab***h like it was on fire as soon as Obama and the Democratic Party championed it. Interesting and funny!!

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We need single payer. The Brits love their system, so do Canadians. But at least this is a step in the right direction, and I have to say, Romney is toast now.

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Jay:

Do you leftys now admit that it is a tax Jay… yet another implemented under the Obama regime…

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Paul

We talked about Roberts, however I didn’t think this soon and this big

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I suppose a conservative president and Congress could pass a Kennesaw-style law requiring us to own guns … or at least ‘taxing’ us if we didn’t.

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…..what else can the gov’t force on us for our own good..

Time to eat our peas.

And I’m speaking as a pea grower (purple hull and black-eyed)

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Reps. dont want to pay any taxes , but they sure like starting wars that are funded by taxes.. idiots..

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Steve:

We need single payer. The Brits love their system, so do Canadians. But at least this is a step in the right direction, and I have to say, Romney is toast now.

Well you must move there… Romney is toast. LOL… He’s going to run on repeal… Which the American people want…

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Oh noooooo…… Fox is assuredly reporting the secret Obama plan to force everyone to eat broccoli to be announced later today. Fast & Broccoli.

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What a hack!

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No, polling shows that Americans WANT this, Joseph.

Sorry

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by saving the law through the taxation argument, the court sidesteps endorsing an expansion of the commerce clause. Fancy judicial footwork by the chief justice, I’d say.

Well said- that will become the political debate in that this is a tax- I think the greater of $695 or 2.5% of income in 2016- something like that

The Repubs will be putting out sound bites of Obama saying not a tax. The Dems will be saying who cares now

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Hi Midori!!!

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cheer how Obama is a great conservative who implemented a great conservative idea…

I’ve been trying to tell y’all that Obama’s a better GOP president than Bush could have ever hoped to be. Nobody wants to listen to a brotha though!!! Wat up wit dat???

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I should say Chief Justice Roberts….

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bad day for liberty…good day for the taxman.

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Aquargirl: Imma celebrate with a manicure and a quick drive thru the pharmacy pickup in my Escalade. Right after I trade my food stamps for rimz

Acquagirl – You need Jesus. And some holy water. Please don’t drink it! 

USinUK: … waiting for Ann Coulter to say that Roberts should be poisoned

Too funny!! No Holy Water For you!!!

Martin: Victory for tyranny…..what else can the gov’t force on us for our own good..

Medicare Part “D”?

Frank L Darling: Now Romny can claim it was his idea the whole time

Too funny too!! You guys are on a roll today!!

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God…never thought I’d agree w/ Joseph on anything.

He’s still wrong. Republicans will moan today and then shut up about it tomorrow, because the benefits of the act outweigh a small tax on those who didn’t want to put their money up for their healthcare.

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Way to go Supreme Court justices!!!

The Healthcare law is not perfect, and there is still a ways to go! So now maybe the GOP should work together with the Democrats to make it better, and do SOMETHING FOR THE GOOD OF THE U.S.A.!

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And what were you saying, Jay, about conservative activists, Roberts’ court, etc, etc, etc

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Jay,

You can have Chief Justice Roberts. He’s your progressive boy now!

Now it’s even more important to oust Obozo in November so we can put true conservatives on the bennch when Breyer and Ginsburg retire.

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Tanning beds and cigarette tax.. next

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ByteMe – Political thug
June 28th, 2012
10:36 am

I dunno…I think the Republicans will run with the “Obama lied about not raising your taxes” thing.

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Today American’s individual freedom to control their own lives died. So to the Imperial Federal Government, I give you the middle finger salute and state emphatically that “I will not comply!” Take your mandates and shove ‘em! “Give me liberty or give me death!”

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I don’t know why most of you libs are so happy…You know that you taxes are going up eventually…And I’m not talking about the rich…Eventually $70,000k a year will be “rich” in the libs eyes.

Lets revisit this 10-15 years from now and see about the so-called defcit savings from Obamacare. Anyone who doesn’t see that this is just a massive Medicaid expansion is blind. This is just going to add more and more to our already unsustainable spending problem. Thank you libs for destroying the greatest economy in world history. Financial armaggedeon is coming to the US within the next decade..

Its not that the libs have bad ideas…they just have no idea that we don’t have limitless money.

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The taxman cometh… And his name is Barry Obama… LOL…

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Don’t think this is the last word on Healthcare. Is it? Can Congress work together to make the law better?

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‘Republicans will run with this and I really do think it’ll hurt Obama.’

I doubt it…in essence they would be running against Roberts, not Obama.

IMO, the wind will come out of the sails of the whole ‘repeal’ mantra. GOP will have to go back to what it does best, like FNF and Solyndra.

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First Arizona, now this. Guess the R’s don’t understand the constitution as well as they claim.

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And I’m speaking as a pea grower (purple hull and black-eyed)

Don’t bogart the peas, man….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUkfiLjooxs

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SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN!! lmao!! SPIN SPIN SPIN….It is what it is. They ruled it constitutional!! What’s not to understand about that?? Either it IS or it ISN’T!! It IS!! Don’t get mad, GO GET DRUNK!!! They say that tends to help one get over his misery. LOLOLOLOL

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What’s so funny about this whole ruling by the Supremes is that Alito has contradicted himself from previous rulings.

He’s so OBVIOUSLY a partisan hack who cares NOTHING about the constitution and only cares about his political party.

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Just want to say sick it up your asses Libs.

Bruno is done on this blog.

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the obvious solution for the cons is Rmoney’s self-deportation idear…
to Idaho…or Somalia.

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All this means is that we are gradually moving to single payer. And that’s where we need to go, as it’s cheaper for all of us in the long run, and makes sense. The rest of the western world is really confused as to why we fight for our horribly inept/expensive/failing insurance system.

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I may have to re-evaluate some of my ASSumptions about the Chief Justice.

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The SCOTUS has ruled (although very confusing and will cause even more confusion, legislation, more court fights, etc.) but we are a nation of law.

SO BE IT.

NOW ……………….. on to November !

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F’ing hypocrite.

Goodness gracious.

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So…cutting health care costs via efficiency = bad to you cons. Yet our current system, which is about to collapse as it spirals out of control with costs = good?

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Joseph, anyone in your immediate family have cancer? What happens if there is no insurance? Honestly, do you ever really think or does your knee just jerk in hatred against everyone? Do you have any idea at all that it is impossible for people with pre-existing conditions once you are diagnosed even if you are just fine now to actually get insurance on the market? This thing isn’t perfect and needs much refinement but it is a start. How about working to get a better mousetrap instead of just eliminating the whole thing. Still waiting for the GOP to actually say what they would replace it with? We get crickets on that because their plan is for people to die and get out of the way. Such a christian party. Hope they all rot in hell. Yep, this lib is emotional today because my dreams may now come true and I can work in my husband’s business and help create American jobs instead of working so I have health insurance.

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Bit of free general-election political advice to my friends on the other side of the aisle?

Most Americans aren’t actually allergic to the word “Tax.”

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Some people are just having trouble today.

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“Physicians for a National Health Program responded critically to the Supreme Court’s decision, saying that the ruling did not amount to universal coverage, 26 million people will remain uninsured, it keeps in place high co-pays and gaps in coverage and it will not control costs.”

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wait, mr. pompous, we can compromise on the tax!

We could buy you for what you’re worth, and sell you
for what you THINK you’re worth. Boom.
The profit would fund healthcare for centuries.

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I guess we Productive Members of Society better get off Jay’s blog and back to work to help pay for the NON-productive here on the blog. Great victory for the Socialist/DemocRats.
Back to work…

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Bruno is done on this blog.

Uh, huh.

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Oh and Peadawg…such language….bad dawgie.

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The “tax” for not buying insurance does not carry either a criminal or civil penalty if one does not pay the tax.

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from a buried cnn article – does this maybe apply?? maybe some of you constitutional scholars can weigh in…

The first question the high court tackled in its seven-hour marathon argument in March was something few observers had expected: It boiled down to whether the law’s individual mandate is a “tax” that could prevent the court from considering the broader constitutional questions.
A little-known federal law — the Anti-Injunction Act, dating back to 1867– bars claimants from asking for a refund on a tax until it has been paid.
This “gateway” issue could render moot all the other pending health care questions if the justices think the minimum coverage requirement amounts to a tax.

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This was a conservative court upholding a conservative law. Just because a lot of the folks who call themselves conservatives these days really aren’t, doesn’t change the fact.

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I think Jay is pondering what to say next.

what a strange situation for an opinion columnist to be in!

Joseph, what’s your take on the whole “direction the Sun rises in” controversy?

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“Just want to say sick it up your asses Libs.

Bruno is done on this blog.”

So eloquent, it needs to be repeated…

Look for Bruno on the 6:00p news, he’ll be the one holed up with the SWAT team outside trying to negotiate a surrender…

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Physicians for a National Health Program

Who da heck are they? Oh, a group advocating a single-payer system. And they’re upset they don’t get one. Ok.

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Bruno

Come one man. Have a little fun. You were ready to celebrate like it was “1999″.

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Joseph, you are really clueless. They can turn me away unless the care is immediately needed from the ER for a life saving situation. That has NOTHING to do with long term cancer care….how ignorant are you?

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Is all the spinning going to throw the earth off its axis?

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kitty:

Medicaid is available for you…

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Government cheese and Government broccoli.
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Makes a serf happy.

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The decision to strike down state mandated medicaid expansion seems that it could favor the states that sued if they can now opt out of the ACA.

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REPEAL THE LAW !

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By, BY Obama vote the bums out!

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“You can’t quit us.”

brokeback blog?

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Congrats to the liberals.

Pretty surprising…but hopefully temporary. I am voting for Romney who has pledged to overturn Obamacare…just a couple months away. Hopefully many conservatives and independents will do the same thing.

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Joseph–what planet do you live on? “Under law you cannot be turned away if you need medical treatment”
I suppose it you are currently bleeding out, they must treat you. But they surely don’t have to do much more than that.

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Rightwing Troll @10:45 am

I hope he doesn’t let the door hit hime on the way out.

Also, hats of to mm who predicted this outcome a few days ago.

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“I am voting for Romney who has pledged to overturn Obamacare”

yeah. because he was for it before he was against it.

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What is it republican’s always say? If you don’t like it you can leave. Goodbye!

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This is actually good news for all non democrats seeking election this year.

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Look for Romney to claim credit for the new health care law. After all it was modeled after his plan while gov. of Mass.

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Steve Atl:

That’s what they don’t understand. When the ad blitz starts touting how you’ll be TAXED because of Obamacare it will certainly change the landscape. Just tying the word TAX to Obama spells defeat..

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SM “uneducated lemmings” is listening to right-wing spin machine.

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That can’t be our Bruno…he’s more together than that. I bet he’ll show for FNM…

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Obama the Mammmmmba (thwack!) pwns you again, cons.
Bow to him.

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WOW!

Been making money on the other screen, but note that in just 37 minutes there have been 230 posts put up here.

JB rocks the Atlanta blogging world…

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Jay:

None of you have answered my question. How will Oblama be able to run on raising TAXES? The Supreme’s said this is a TAX…

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As Neal Boortz said yesterday, a ruling of this type would be the best way to ensure a defeat of Obama in November.

Time will tell, time will tell …………………………

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“The “tax” for not buying insurance does not carry either a criminal or civil penalty if one does not pay the tax.”

I spent three years with IRS-Criminal Investigative Division. If there is no penalty (civil or criminal and no “forced” mechanism to collect it), then you are correct ………. it is NOT a tax in the true sense of the word.

It is a “tap dance”.

And this makes insurance more affordable how?

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Personal responsibility cons.

You will use the service, so pay up deadbeats.

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No wonder Scalia was in such a foul mood earlier this week. I suspect that mood is going to last a good long time.

I suspect the majority of the people will be in a foul mood for a while!

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Chief Justice John Roberts wrote about the individual mandate, citing the taxing clause:

“It is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without insurance. Such legislation is within Congress’ power to tax.”

But…but…but…Obama said it isn’t a tax. Woops.

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Welcome to the United Socialist States of America, you inbred retarded welfare pieces of sh*t.

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ZoSo:

Are you ignoring what the Supreme Court said.. This is a TAX…

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godless

No healthcare cost are not going down, just like they haven’t for 30 plus years

Time for Obama and the Repub House to start tweaking this less then stellar bill and move forward……

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So if you don’t buy insurance, or pay the tax, and you end up in the hospital, who pays?

___________

Without insurance, you can only be treated in the ER, and then only until you are stable, then they send you home. Otherwise you can’t be addmitted to a hospital.

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Time to clean my musket and leave this crazy union!

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as i understand it, you only get “taxed” if you don’t buy health insurance……i guess excepting medicaid folks…….the whole problem is relying on for profit health care companies….i truly doubt they would add significant efficiencies without some incentive and my guess is they will collude

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Don’t know why bruno is mad at liberls. Chief Justice Roberts is not a liberal.

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Calm down Linster. You might have a heart attack or stroke. Then the Socialists would have you in their care.

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“How will Oblama be able to run on raising TAXES?”

Joseph, I guess you haven’t been looking at the polls that sowed 67% of Americans support higher taxes to reduce the deficit. And the CBO said ACA will reduce the deficit.

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Looks like Justice Roberts is now sure to face impeachment hearings!

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If there is no penalty (civil or criminal and no “forced” mechanism to collect it), then you are correct ………. it is NOT a tax in the true sense of the word.

Where is anyone getting that there is no penalty for not paying a tax that’s owed?? What kind of weird disinformation is being put out there now and why are people accepting it without question??

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Joseph, by the time I would get it I would be dead. Like I said…clueless. Besides this will cost you no more unless you don’t have insurance and it makes exchanges etc available to you to get the insurance required. So do you feel this way about required car insurance? I see no difference. Without everyone having car insurance if you are hit you pay your own repair. Now you are paying health care costs of everyone without insurance. I had surgery several years ago where the cost before insurance was 16,000. When the insurance co was done it was down to 1,000 due to the contract. What do you think the other 15k was? PAYING THE HEALTH CARE COSTS FOR THOSE WHO DON”T PAY BECAUSE THEY CAN’T DUE TO NO INSURANCE.

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All my doctors are using digital medical records thanks to this law.

Thank you President Obama.

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Fantastic! Scalia will be pouting for some time, but hey he got his Super Pac ruling. Can’t win them all Tony.

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I’m wondering how long it will be before I find out how much TAX I’ll have to pay..

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But with Roberts siding with the left on this and on immigration,

________

Roberts did not side with the left. He sided with the constitution. that’s what he took an oath to do.

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WHERE IS td? I cannot wait to hear what he has to say now. LOL!

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I think Curtis put it best, wherever you stand on this…

Why can’t we brothers
Protect one another
No one’s serious
And it makes me furious
Don’t be misled

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But with Roberts siding with the left on this and on immigration, I’m afraid he may be establishing a pattern that he’s taken a hard turn to the left

I’m afraid you’re wrong. The SCOTUS is NOT supposed to be about partisaned politics. They are supposed to interpret law. If you or others can’t see that, then that’s on you. I don’t think Roberts is any different a person now than he was when he was confirmed.

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Jay:

Glad you admit it Jay but even you don’t realize how toxic this will be for dems? Do you remember 2010??

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An optimist might say that maybe, since the law will stand, we can move forward and improve it.

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The Constitution died years ago……this qualifies as necrophilia.
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Be that as it may, liberty dies with it.
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Not with a thunderous boom, but with the Bookman’s of the world dancing on their desks and engorging theirselves with government cheese.

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Jay, this whole case was about standing. The real fireworks do not start until 2015, when the tax (penalty) is actually imposed. The makeup of the court when that time comes will likely be much different than it is today from an ideological standpoint.

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Crony Capitalism is getting ready to soar to new levels. The Gov can now tax you if you don’t purchase something they want you to (expect lobbyist to multiply infinitely) or they can tax you because you purchased something they didn’t want you to.

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No matter how badly you are thrashed … Joseph wins!

Or, in the words of someone else earlier today:

Slap down is painful and truly embarrassing.

Thanks for the assist Donovan!

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Hi Midori!!

Brosephus – BOTH suck

“Paul

I think you called it with Chief Justice Roberts earlier this week. That one was like calling a homerun shot before the first pitch. ”

Thanks. I’m having a tough time keeping a proper balance, here, but I’m trying. I believe this is what you’re referring to:

“Possibly Justice Kennedy will come through tomorrow. What I’d really like to see is that, plus Justice Roberts. For all his concern about depoliticizing the Court, not having narrow splits on major decisions, not having the Court aligned into two blocks identifiable as Liberal – Conservative… maybe, just maybe, he’ll secure his legacy and, with or without Kennedy, will vote to uphold.”

and G. Mare 71 wrote

“Paul, thank you for posting a reasoned & reasonable take on the Roberts court & the man himself. He has scared me to death since his appointment; it would be nice to be wrong about him.”

That’s another takeaway from this – some may have to consider that Roberts is not one-dimensional as, say, Scalia.

Anyhow, I’m very pleased it turned out as it did.

Update from Texas: traffic’s at a standstill, airport’s being shut down, most workplaces have come to a grinding halt. All them ’sploding heads….

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Karma – is screaming Loudly at the Republican Party and its supporters. Change Your Ways about how you care for your people or face the WASTE BIN of history and be left behind.

Many of your PREDECESSORS already know this, You do not have to suffer the same fate.

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Watching the neocons having serial meltdowns is almost as funny as them spinning it so that no matter how the SCOTUS ruled, they “won”.

Which after that goofy episode downstairs proves that that word, like so many others, has no real meaning to them!

I was never a fan of the PPACA. I see it as a sellout to the corrupt bureaucracy in the free slave market that has created and perpetuates the worst health insurance system on the planet. At least among civilized nations.

But that it severely damages the morale and election chances of neocons is only a good thing for this republic…

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I’m almost tempted to tune into Rush today….

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Be that as it may, liberty dies with it.

Line for the fainting bleachers forms on the right. Pick up your free hanky on the way over.

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Oh the humanity!!!

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‘First Obama’s healthcare tax is upheld. Next we’ll have Holders contempt vote… LOL…’

Charlie Sheen has nothing on this dude…

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Kitty: How about working to get a better mousetrap instead of just eliminating the whole thing. Still waiting for the GOP to actually say what they would replace it with

They had 8 years to “improve” health care, and what did they come up with? Medicare Part D. The elderly would laugh at them, but they can’t afford to laugh and eat at the same time.

Joseph: Under law you cannot be turned away if you need medical treatment… Next.

Yes you can get service – you can pay the full price for ONE Tyelenol (hospital price is $10/per pill; you could actually buy 3 bottles of Tylenol for that price); or you can be able to get Health Insurance and pay just $1.25/per pill. If you’d rather pay the $10 than $1.25; then can I interest you in a bridge in Alaska I’m trying to sell ?

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Bushs Fault @ 11:00

That’s completely unnecessary and uncalled for language.

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Got to love bellwether partisan events.

“It is not enough merely to win; OTHERS MUST LOSE.” – Gore Vidal

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Shameful. To go down in history the same way Dredd v. scott and Plessy v. Ferguson did. John Roberts should be ashamed of himself.

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Awesome, now it’s time to move on to immigration reform.

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HEATHEN
“A Great Day for the Insurance Companies!!! Rejoice!!”

I’ve been following that on the other screen…trading is holding steady or showing slight increases. Tells you something, doesn’t it?

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I’m almost tempted to tune into Rush today….

Neal Boortz is having a stroke. You could hear Jamie Dupree kind of snickering at him under his breath.

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Note the date that it was predicted on this blog (6/28/12) that ACA would reduce health care costs, reduce the cost of healthcare, cover pre-existing conditions, and assure all are covered.

When unicorns poop skittles, I say.

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The court reviewed four questions: whether it was within Congress’s constitutional powers to impose an “individual mandate” to purchase health insurance; whether all or any additional parts of the law must be struck down if the mandate is rejected; whether an expansion of Medicaid was unduly coercive on the states and whether all of those questions can even be reviewed before the mandate takes effect.

The most crucial issue before the court was considered to be the individual mandate, known technically as the “minimum coverage” provision, because striking it down would jeopardize the ability of insurers to comply with other, more popular elements of the health-care law without drastically raising premiums. Under those other provisions, for example, insurers can no longer limit or deny benefits to children because of a preexisting condition, and young adults up to age 26 are eligible for insurance coverage under their parents’ plans.

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JamVet:

Again you people don’t realize how this will be a negative for Oblama and the dems. Watch the unemployment rate rise because business’s must start preparing for the negative effects of this monstrosity. And again. Oblama will have to run on this TAX… LOL…

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I wonder what the cost of that Big Mac meal will be when the owners have to add the level of healthcare required to meet this mandate.

I can tell you THIS small business owner may be putting 140 people on the unemployment roles. The money isn’t there to pay the fine or provide the plan and customers aren’t going to pay double to cover it. If you think the economy was slowing before, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

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I’m almost tempted to tune into Rush today….

I would rather take a bath in a tub lined in broken glass and filled with liquid nitrogen.

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Via Citizens United corporations can spend as much as they want on buying politicians. Via this ruling they can have the federal government mandate we buy their goods and services. A huge win for Corporations.

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The VP of the health insurance company that wrote the bill must be very happy today.

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Celebrate away.

SCOTUS officially affirmed and proclaimed for all eternity Obama lied to the American people about Obamacare not being a tax (rationalizing the massive IRS expansion for Obamacare enforcement).
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SCOTUS reaffirmed Congress has virtually unlimited power to tax and spend.

SCOTUS overturned the key provisions enabling universal coverage as unconstitutional – the Federal Government cannot penalize the States for not implementing the fiscally onerus Medicare provisions, thus Obamacare will effectively do little to nothing for millions of poor people lacking health insurance.

Good luck in November, Democrats.You are indisputably and inextricably the Party of “tax and spend” for massive misguided and ill-conceived social programs. Whatever reservations conservatives had about rallying behind Romney – just watch now.

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Ok ok … Obama …2012..

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I guess I can work a little bit harder to pay for lazy liberals…

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EAT YOUR PEAS Cons……….

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The tax kicks in if you do not buy health insurance.

You will use the service, so pay up cons.

Deadbeats.

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Roberts confirms a true Tenent of Convservatism: Elections have consequences. This just increased Romney’s chances of winning 100 fold.

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Thank you Supreme Court and the other liberal idiots of these United States. It’s nice to watch freedom and liberty die to the roar of the ignorant masses. Taxes are paid to the government, not to private individuals or companies. Those individuals and companies sell products. Using taxation as a cover for forcing Americans to purchase products they do not want is one of the things that led our country to independence in the first place. Nice to see when “free stuff” is on the line everybody is so eager to suckle the government teet that they forget the lessons we have learned over the course of our history. Nothing is free, and now all that can be done is to await the disastrous results. Hope you like waiting a few years for tests and treatments.

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Followed by: In Amy’s 10:56 — typo: The only thing that they may not lawfully do is not buy health insurance and not pay the resulting tax.

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GA has not even began working on anything whatsoever, regarding the implementation
of “Obamacare”.

I’m sure Governor Deal will send out an e-mail blast to his family. We’ll have a transition team of hundreds in no time flat.

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As I said before, this blog is useless. As my father said, son, you can’t reason with a crazy person. Gotta go and make some money to pay for someone elses healthcare.

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DawgDad:

You hit the nail on the head !

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I’m sure all the lefties, a day after saying the SCOTUS was partisan and irredeemable are now saying their faith has been restored. Of course most of those people have never read an actual opinion by one of the justices, or they would see well-reasoned arguments on both sides in every case, not just the ones they agree with.

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I am really enjotying the ‘death of liberty’ moanings from the Right. Hilarious.

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dB @ 11:05

That one didn’t sit well with me either. You can’t complain about others being divisive and uncooperative and then say stuff like that. Somebody has to be the grown up. I find it highly unlikely to see any grown acting people today though.

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As usual, corporate media got it wrong.

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ACA or not, I still can’t afford insurance. I’m just waiting for Medicare.

Whatever happened to the days when you could buy “major medical insurance?”

Now, if you buy insurance, they go ahead and price in Viagra, Lipitor, and blood pressure medicine. I don’t use any of those.

Based on past increases, I estimate that my insurance would now cost over $600/month.

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Sure, Mr. “I Always Win”.

DOWN GOES FRAZIER! DOWN GOES JOSEPH! DOWN GOES ROMNEY!

The Party of No suffers yet another punking at the hands of the Uppity Muslim without a Birth Certificate.

Granny wrote that they had eight years to come up with something.

The reality is that is has been a LOT longer than that.

Remember Clinton health care plan of 1993 when Hillary tried to get the stuck on stupid gang to move even one inch on this matter.

They went berserk then, just like now.

Screw the lot of them…

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Civility can wait till tomorrow.

Until then, I bite my thumb at all you Cons and I fart in your general direction.

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Correction to my 11:05. Meant to say “cost of insurance” also

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I don’t think there will be a big change immediately. Most of the people that don’t have health insurance don’t have it because they can’t afford it. The mandate is not going to enable most of them to be able to get it.
The idea that people who can’t afford it will buy it and get a reimbursement of their income tax return won’t affect people who don’t have the money and don’t file tax returns.

Some people will take advantage of the subsidies to buy it.

I expect the cost on insurance to go up. don’t think we are though seeing legislation on health care in congress.

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I’m not sure why the Cons are so upset. Their side since 2010 has said repeal and replace. But I’ve yet to see a replacement. So if this isn’t the way we should go then what is? We all know that the previous system wasn’t working and everyone complained about healthcare costs. Medical bankruptcy was the top reason for personal bankruptcy. So please tell us what you would replace it with or now with this ruling how you would improve it?

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I mean why should I sill pay for healthcare when others who “choose” not to work will now be covered?

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People who don’t buy the insuance will not be covered. No change there. This bill does not force doctors or hospitals to treat people who can’t pay and don’t have insurance.

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“Well we have to pass it to see what’s in it”

famous words of crazy people!

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Personal responsibility cons.

Buy healthcare insurance or pay the fine.

Your choice.

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“He’s flipping! LMAO”

…. and that would make today different than any other day … how?

meanwhile, is he CRYING because he luuuuuuuuuuuvs his country so???

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I don’t understand these arguments raising taxes. It is an individual tax, not a mass tax. It will only affect those who refuse to carry health insurance. The rest of us who already carry health insurance will not be affected. At least, that is my understanding of the situation.

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Wow, this seals the election for Mitt….. I thought Mitt already had it by a landslide according to the cons.

Is this another of those, “This is Obama’s watergate” memes by Fox that gets played over and over no matter what the reality or how many times its been used before?

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BECK instructs his listeners to “NOT WATCH TELEVISION” today!! LMAO!!

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So what precisely is the answer in repeal? I get you all hate the idea of taxes but poor and uninsured people already get plenty of free healthcare. They claim bankruptcy and go on their merry way. Hospitals simply pass that care onto you in the form of $20 Tylenol or a $5,000 bill for 3 stitches. At least this way, we’re trying to close the loop on people who skip insurance in their young/healthy years only to buy it when they’re old and in constant need.

People need to understand aging is an inevitability and insurance functions only when there are healthy people in the pool.

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“Afterall, he appointed the “compromising”, “nuanced”, and “fair” jurist, Roberts, to the supreme court”

heh

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Romney’s website is crashing due to all of the donations (including my own) after this decision…November 2012 will be interesting.

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Great picture on CNN right now.

In all the hubbub it might be lost, but this decision is a huge blow against the GOP’s War on Women.

Right on…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miZWYmxr8XE

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“Conservatives …………. if you feel bad today, think how you will feel if Obama gets in again ! WORK HARD !”

and clap if you believe!!!

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Because I’m healthy…

That reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode when the old women was afraid to leave her house because she thought death was outside but it came inside and got her anyway.

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“Well we have to pass it to see what’s in it”

The. Lie. That. Will. Not. Die.

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More tax. Less to spend and save. What a country !!!!!!!!!!!

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Joseph

Not in appearance but in your blogging persona, you remind me of the hairy dude that is on the Geico commercials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPPfYKbO-1M

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and the Age continues to change, just as the Elders predicted.

from ‘Ever man fer hisself, yer on your own’ to

“We’re All in This Together”

jeebus, you’d think they’d get it by now. Learn it, or get Left Behind.
There is no Future in the Past.

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The right-wingers upset with this decision are a small minority of republicans. So their opinion doesn’t mean much. They just take Rush and the rest of talkers way to seriously. After all they are only entertainers.

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“Well we have to pass it to see what’s in it”

The. Lie. That. Will. Not. Die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

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Time for Congress to make improvements. If the GOP will get off their butt.

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Is a “penalty” a “tax” or a (criminal) fine.

If the “penalty” is a tax, then is the “mandate” actually NOT authorized?

Does the Roberts’ decision that upheld Obamacare on the basis of “tax” authority actually intend or just sound like it intends to authorize insurance companies to now have government’s “taxing” authority the way Georgia gave GA PWR the gov’t imminent domain authority?

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Gail, the “tax” is not paid to a private company. The tax is paid to the IRS if you don’t get health insurance (i.e.-if you leach off others who are paying for healthcare). It’s my understanding that the only real way the IRS can collect is by keeping any tax refund–there’s no criminal penalty.

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Steve atl

Can you please explain how those who were outraged over Pres Obama’s directive regarding children of illegals because he didn’t uphold ALL the laws and he violated his oath of office can justify a Pres Romney issuing an order to repeal Obamacare without going thru the Legislative branch?

Boortz sounds unhinged. Gotta feel sorry for sick people.

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josef,
let ‘em celebrate…in their minds, their “team” just scored a touchdown.

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OF course… THE MONEY GRAB NOW BY BECK!! lol DONATE, DONATE, DONATE!! what a scam!

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Dang it! I was away when the ruling came down from the mountain top. How are the Republicans taking it. Has Jay implemented a moment of silence for the cons yet.

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“Chief Justice Roberts singlehandedly saves ObamaCare”

No big deal. President-elect Romney will just choose not to enforce it, juts as Obaam has done with immigration laws.

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Jay

I’m intrigued now. I usually don’t get all gaga into the opinions, but that doesn’t surprise me at all about Roberts. For all that people on both sides say about him, he seems to be genuinely focused on doing what the court is supposed to do and trying to keep them from venturing off course. I kinda got that feeling when he brought Scalia back into focus from his meandering during the oral arguments.

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“The deeper I read in the opinion and the dissents, the more apparent it is that Roberts undertook a major rescue operation. He was not willing to let the court take what he deemed to be a radical, even partisan course that would undermine its institutional credibility, so he found a way to avoid it.

This ruling is as much about protecting the court as about interpreting the law.”

Good for him.

Thank heavens for him, too.

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mean why should I sill pay for healthcare when others who “choose” not to work will now be covered?

It’s like the “Uninsured Motorist Clause” most of have to buy when we pay our car insurance. This covers us in case we get into an accident with someone who is not covered. The same with health insurance we pay a higher premium because we must cover those uninsured (thanks to Reagan) in any emergency situation. You may like not like Obamacare but either way the insured pay for the uninsured

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This ruling is as much about protecting the court as about interpreting the law.

No question about it. Roberts’ hand was basically forced.

They blew their misdirection plans. Next time they’re gonna have to figure out some more subtle forms of misdirection to advance their ideological projects without all-out trashing the court’s reputation.

Those commenters above calling this a “leftist” decision are way off the mark.

This decision was desperately conservative (not to say “severely” conservative).

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joseph-it is a victory for insurance companies (so kind of hard for many to call it a “government take-over.” However, it’s also a victory for most folks-pre-existing conditions, cancellations, etc. And, in the long-run, I suspect insurance companies are going to get a lot more heat put on them——10-30 years, as we evolve, maybe there will be single payor–with the right to still buy supplemental insurance.

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what major civilized countries do not have some form of univeral health coverage?

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TiredOfIt

“The right-wingers upset with this decision are a small minority of republicans.”

You going for first place in the Spin Contest?

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“The right-wingers upset with this decision are a small minority of republicans”

LOL…never mind the polls showing 2/3 of Americans are opposed to the law.

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Oh boy, here we go agian! I hope we get the same results in 2012 as we did in 2010!

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Brocephus: to the overweight person who smokes and lives an unhealthy life style, you won, we are now forced to pay for your
medical care

You’ve already been doing that if you’re paying for insurance. Now, he/she will have to carry their own insurance.

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They refuse to understand that it seems. They have no idea that they have actually been paying for the deadbeats all along. Now those “deadbeats” will have to get insurance. Why do I suspect that many of them vote GOP???!!!!! “Keep your government hands off my medicare?”

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This is a “victory” for them, not us, imauo”

True, but you have to learn to walk before you can run. This is step one.

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“what major civilized countries do not have some form of univeral health coverage?”

The ones not driving over the debt cliff with Greece, Spain, etc…

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Ken: It’s been estimated that the Act will bring in about $4 billion a year by 2016–not much of a tax. And, let’s keep in mind, federal taxes, as a percentage of GDP are lower now than they have been in a generation.

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For all the false whining about a “tax”, some of the good news:

Children will no longer be denied health insurance due to a pre-existing condition, effective immediately.

Young adults can stay on their parent’s health insurance policy until age 26.

Adults will no longer be denied health insurance due to a pre-existing condition, effective in 2014.

Health insurance providers can no longer cancel your policy because you get sick.

There can no longer be annual limits to health coverage. If your illness is incredibly expensive, you won’t have to worry about reaching a limit to what your insurance company will pay.

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Jay I’m reading it for myself too. There is definitely some lingual acrobatics in these opinions.

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My my,but the contumely is good here today. Munch…munch. I need another bag of popcorn to go with this.

I actually hope Romney get the WH in Nov.; just to prove to all the partisans here that nothing will be repealed or even significantly altered. Once the sh$t is in the bowl, it’s going down and staying there. Even if it has to be plunged a few times.

Oh abd Roberts is a tool.

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Does anyone else see the hypocrisy in the con posts? They are mad because they have to buy healthcare, but then claim they are also paying for everyone elses.

EVERYONE HAS TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN HEALTHCARE!!!!

And the folks that can’t afford it are still SOL.

I ihnk maybe you cons should read the law instead of listening to th BS spouted by your politicians and the likes of Rush. You know, read it like the SC did.

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But I tell you what. I really am pizzed of at Justice Roberts…I have to take back everything I said about him…and…get him a thank you card…

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Has the carrier pigeon arrived yet from Kenya with Obama’s plan for cutting the deficit in half by the end of his first term?

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zeke

June 28th, 2012
11:26 am

what major civilized countries do not have some form of univeral health coverage?

what major civilized countries that have it are not broke ?

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“2/3 of country are probably fat overweight and not too brite [sic] either”

There are not that many cons in the US.

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josef

If you’re still lurking, are you thinking 1859???

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Well, the Constitution is officially dead now… so exactly where does the power of the Federal Government end?

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THIS JUST IN!!!! MIRACLES STILL HAPPEN!!!!!

Today, in what can only be called a miracle, Chief Justic Roberts actually grew a conscience and voted to uphold Obamacare.

In a related story, healtcare lobbyists swarmed into Washington, cornered Republican politicians, and coldly warned them to repeal Obamacare or else lose all their campaign bribe money.

Details at 11

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josef – “have stock in the insurance companies?”

no, that would be unethical in our case, as you know.
It is a step toward a National Health Service, and a
Comprehensive Health Plan for every ‘merkan. It is a move
to make us (and we are ‘us’ now despite my injun jokes)
a civilized tribe (i wasn’t joking earlier). We will be judged,
a thousand years from now, on how we treated the least of us.
You correctly rejoiced at “dont ask don’t tell”, and the gay marriage
amendments’ demise.

Rejoice in this Time. The great grandson of a medicine woman
gives you permission.

hey what was that book you recommended again?
with Choctaw tales like the fox hunt?

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Praise the Lord for this Supreme Court decision.

And won’t it to some extent correct the current expensive problem of illegal immigrants who use hospital Emergency Rooms without any sort of health insurance to pay their bills? Won’t hospitals be able to demand proof of health insurance for admission?

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Normal

“But I tell you what. I really am pizzed of at Justice Roberts…I have to take back everything I said about him…and…get him a thank you card… ”

Most noble of you. Fine example, too.

Welcome Occupation

“Are you KIDDING me?”

No, he’s serious.

Tread carefully.

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“the Constitution is officially dead now”

considering that your side doesn’t think it’s a living document, anyway, this shouldn’t be a surprise to you

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The confusion displayed by the lefties here today is hilarious. They think Republicans are the ones going around with no insurance because they don’t have to buy it. They think they can now go to work at their husband’s business now instead of having to “work for insurance”. They think the cost of insurance and health care is going to go down. They think the majority of Americans are suddenly now going to love Obamacare. Precious.

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Big win for us…..

How can the states tell it’s citizens they must purchase car insurance but the govt can’t tell you that you have to purchase healt insurace….

Some say it’s because driving is a choice —-that B.S. how many folks can get to work, run their businesses – get to medical appts…etc without driving….driving is an essential part of our likes….

We won folks…get over it… and deal with it….

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Ben Shockley : ““what major civilized countries do not have some form of univeral health coverage?”

The ones not driving over the debt cliff with Greece, Spain, etc…”

Lol.

So what’’s ‘Ben Shockley explanation for the fact that the most generous healthcare systems of all are the Northern European, especially Scandinavian, ones?

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Has anyone heard when/where Boortz will be holding the “funeral and burial” for the now dead US Constititution?

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Now stupid libertarians who insist on their right to ride a motorcycle without a helmet will have insurance to cover them while they lie a dang vegetable.

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“They think the majority of Americans are suddenly now going to love Obamacare. Precious.”

Heathen – 1
Libs – 0

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“Well, the Constitution is officially dead now… so exactly where does the power of the Federal Government end?”

SCOTUS did not rule under the Commerce clause, which if upheld would have in one pen stroke abolished Freedom and Liberty. The Constitution is alive and well.

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It sure is peculiar how the conservatives always gives up to compromise with the liberals.

well as Kahn said:
“Surely, I have made my meaning plain. I mean to avenge myself upon youl. I deprived you of power.”
“To the last, I will grapple with thee… from Hell’s heart, I stab at thee! For hate’s sake, I spit my last breath at thee!

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It is interesting that the opinions have an all or none aspect to them. By ruling the mandate constitutional (as a tax even though the bill says it is a penalty), they too avoided reading the entire bill.

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~ Mark Twain

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Joseph, I was very healthy too….until 5 years ago when cancer suddenly showed up. Enjoy your health while you have it but it doesn’t always continue.

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on the bright side, I can now be called simply “anti-tax” and not “anti-black”.

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What this amounts to is that America has been dumbed down .Only 8% of high school graduates will make in this country; the rest will get gradually lazy and wait on hand outs either from other people or government. Most Americans are to incoherent to realize this is a forced tax on them to pay for health care.You can’t compare this to auto insurance because if you don’t have a car you don’t pay insurance.When America voted this clown in they had no idea what he stood for or his views. I see my African American brothers/sisters in worst financial & social shape than we were ever before and yet they want 4 more years of this. They will vote for obama because he is black regardless of how much more worse their lives will get under his policies, god help us.The only way out of this mess is to have obama sent back to Chicago on November 6, 2012.blacks surely won’t do it, and so it’s up to our white counterparts. Since we only make up 12% of the population and of that maybe 6% can or will even vote it is up to the whites in this country. Now that your liberal eyes have been opened will you see the light. White people voted obama in they are the only ones that can vote him out.

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“Why don’t you ask people what “they think” rather than addressing what you wish that “they think”?”

because that’d harsh their mellow … or something

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I have to say, I agree with the insurance companies…If the court overturned the individual mandate…my lawyer was prepared to sue the state of GA for forcing me to purchase car insurance.

Some say driving is a choice….that’s crazy, so if I own a flower shop I must drive in order to conduct business but it’s a choice….

Get over it folks….

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President Obama is having “The Best Week Ever”…lol

Now , lets see how my stocks do today

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