Chief Justice Roberts singlehandedly saves ObamaCare
The Supreme Court, by a 5-4 margin, sidesteps the Commerce Clause debate and validates the individual mandate as a constitutional exercise of Congress’ taxing power.
As a result, almost all of the act is upheld, thanks to Chief Justice Roberts siding with the majority. But by saving the law through the taxation argument, the court sidesteps endorsing an expansion of the commerce clause.
Fancy judicial footwork by the chief justice, I’d say.
The four justices in the minority wanted to toss the whole thing out, which again speaks to the role that the chief justice played. He wasn’t willing to go there — too radical an outcome for him, apparently — and he found a way to avoid it.
In fact, the deeper I read in the opinion and the dissents, the more apparent it is that Roberts undertook a major rescue operation. He was not willing to let the court take what he deemed to be a radical, even partisan course that would undermine its institutional credibility.
This ruling is as much about protecting the court’s integrity as it is about interpreting the law.
Here’s the core of what justices Scalia, Kennedy, Alito and Thomas said in dissent:
“The Act before us here exceeds federal power both in mandating the purchase of health insurance and in denying nonconsenting States all Medicaid funding. These parts of the Act are central to its design and operation, and all the Act’s other provisions would not have been enacted without them. In our view it must follow that the entire statute is inoperative.”
The court majority also endorsed language expanding Medicaid in the states, although it prevents the federal government from pulling Medicaid money as punishment for states that choose not to go along. That’s the extent of the conservative “win” in the opinion.
No wonder Scalia was in such a foul mood earlier this week. I suspect that mood is going to last a good long time.
– Jay Bookman
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Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
1:49 pm
Roberts is going to be hated in con circles
I "Hear" the sounds of victory
June 28th, 2012
1:49 pm
V*I*C*T*O*R*Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJhf4zK_RKA
BYE BYE TEA PARTY!!!!
Obama 2012
josef
June 28th, 2012
1:50 pm
PAUL
Great minds! I was thinking somewhere around Pecos.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
1:50 pm
Adam
June 28th, 2012
1:32 pm
No new TAXES is what Obama promised
Really? When?
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
1:38 pm
Adam:
Here you go…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQiQda8qcQU
barneyfife
June 28th, 2012
1:50 pm
In an effort to make it look nonpartisan, Roberts totally sold out- gutless move. Whatever happened to simply doing the right thing? You can call it fancy footwork, slight of hand, whatever. It’s still the same thing- gutless. In a democractic society, how in the world can you compel soneone to take health insurance or face sanctions? Sure, helathcare is a broken system, but I would rather have that rather than live in a socialist country. Welcome to it, my friends.
mm
June 28th, 2012
1:50 pm
“Moochers(the 50% who pay no federal taxes).”
Cons never speak of the mooching corporations.
I guess the tax “angle” is all the righties have left to talk about. Grasping at straws as usual.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
1:52 pm
Romney promises his first day as President will give all 50 states a waiver from Obamacare(TAX). Thats enough to reap millions of votes…
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
1:53 pm
I look forward to a tax code that requires me to pay higher taxes if I don’t buy broccoli weekly
This opens up pandora’s box
Libs, you can probably one day look forward to a tax you have to pay if you have an abortion
Or if you send your kid to public school
Or if you’re married and gay
Oh, you think that’d be unconstitutional?
Welcome to the club. But not anymore.
ken
June 28th, 2012
1:53 pm
Too many unknowns. For instance, how much will it cost for a family of four ? Nobody knows.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
1:53 pm
Joseph: He didn’t raise taxes to pay for health reform. He put a tax penalty in place if you don’t buy health insurance. That’s also not him “promising not to raise taxes”
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
1:54 pm
Libs expect gov’t to pay or subsidize their insurance cost.
If that’s what they expect, then they’re really gonna be disappointed by this ruling. Costs are going to continue to rise, and the government will not subsidize enough to make it any easier for libs or anybody else who already can’t afford to buy insurance.
The Right has a bit of a rally cry for the fall. If they don’t provide a concrete and viable plan to replace the ACA, their victory, if they achieve one, will be very short lived. I think people of all stripes are getting tired of the bait and switch campaign tactics. Campaign on jobs and the economy and then do nothing but talk about budget cuts and the debt. Campaign on jobs and the economy and spend loads of time on healthcare.
If the parties don’t get their asses in gear, they will leave a golden opportunity for a group to remove them both from the picture.
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
1:54 pm
Joseph – “Romney promises his first day as President will give all 50 states a waiver from Obamacare(TAX). Thats enough to reap millions of votes…”
I’m sure it is, unfortunately it’s not posible.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
1:54 pm
This opens up pandora’s box
Pandora’s box tax.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
1:54 pm
Joseph: Romney promises his first day as President will give all 50 states a waiver from Obamacare(TAX).
I thought he would REPEAL it on day one. SO which is it?
Detroit
June 28th, 2012
1:54 pm
Does Mitt Romney still believe that Detroit should go bankrupt? What about GM?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxvURgyJ26w
Jefferson
June 28th, 2012
1:54 pm
Why would anyone belive Romney ?
nemesis
June 28th, 2012
1:54 pm
On second thought, this is a great thing. I’ll never have to pay for insurance again like I do now! I pay my little fine, then I get the same benefits as all of you Demonrats cheering about rebubs having to pay up because the law says I cannot be refused services. Then if I ever get really sick, I pay for insurance then, because the law says I cannot be excluded for prior conditions. Then I cancel once I’ve recovered and repeat the process as necessary. Thanks silly libs; I’m going to save tens of thousands while your costs continue to rise!
Mama Says
June 28th, 2012
1:54 pm
Just remember folks, you support the governments ability to mandate that you buy something.
Regardless of anything else you support that.
You may well have good intentions in your reasoning, on this issue, but ultimately you have given the courts precedent which will be used against us all in a wide range of future issues.
While Auqagirl plays with the possibility by her reference to broccoli farmers, the fact is that now, as long as it is a tax, the federal government can make you do whatever it wants.
Energy cost are huge, that will be the eventual new focus of the liberal politicians. Now the Feds will be able to apply the same logic to that as it will with anything in which cost are so high poorer people cannot buy it.
Will we all be forced to buy a solar energy panel for our house or be fined ?
Electric cars ?
The point is that in your effort to provide healthcare to the poor you have given the government the de facto power to make me pay for it.
I will end with this.
David Willitte, head of Cigna’s pharmaceutical division
” the fact that this law has been upheld proves that our input and cooperative effort with the Obama administration will ensure better services for our consumers as well as prove benefincial to our company ”
In other words the insurance companies love the fact that every citizen in this country now has to buy their product. Remember libs, big business has been your enemy in this issue. You now share the same joyful pride in your accomplishment that the insurance and pharmaceutical companies do.
Congrads
The Tax Man
June 28th, 2012
1:55 pm
ken,
It’s not a fixed rate system so the answer is ” As much as the insurance company decides to charge you”. Also, don’t forget, it’s mandatory.
Vet
June 28th, 2012
1:55 pm
Whats wrong with my blog..nothing! Moderation for what..is that what I fought for to be moderated.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
1:55 pm
I pay my little fine, then I get the same benefits as all of you Demonrats cheering about rebubs having to pay up because the law says I cannot be refused services.
Let us all know how that works out for you
TaxPayer
June 28th, 2012
1:56 pm
Perhaps the people that must suffer the burden of paying for everyone’s healthcare should start focusing on little things like making us healthier as a whole so that tax bill does not become too weighty an issue in the future.
getalife
June 28th, 2012
1:56 pm
cons are having a bad day
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
1:56 pm
US economy grew at a snails pace 1.9%… Recovery Summer here we come!!!
markie mark
June 28th, 2012
1:57 pm
Adam, on the radio just now they replayed the interview of Obama swearing to George Stephenopolous that this was NOT a tax increase when George said it was…..and Obama reiterated to George that he had promised no one making under 250k would ever see a tax increase while he was in office…..I guess our constitutional law teacher in chief can quit claiming that now, huh?
Adam
June 28th, 2012
1:57 pm
Joseph: US economy grew at a snails pace 1.9%… Recovery Summer here we come!!!
New housing is up to record levels
Adam
June 28th, 2012
1:57 pm
Also gas costs way less than $5/gallon
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
1:58 pm
Adam:
Wow do you even understand what you’re saying??
getalife
June 28th, 2012
1:58 pm
joey,
“grew” beats losing nine million jobs.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
1:59 pm
markie mark: As I have explained, the tax “increase” is no such thing. It’s a penalty. And you don’t even have to pay it. Also you completely avoid it just by having health insurance.
The Tax Man
June 28th, 2012
1:59 pm
New housing is up to record levels- FLAT OUT LIE. It is up compared to recent levels but I think “record levels’ is a bit much.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
1:59 pm
Lets face facts folks. Obamacare is a giant TAX on the American people. Its what the court said plain and simple. You libs can spin it however you like but its a fact that its a TAX…
getalife
June 28th, 2012
1:59 pm
Housing is coming back like America.
What else you got cons?
Erwin's cat
June 28th, 2012
2:00 pm
So what happens if I don’t get insurance, pay the fine and get sick enough to require a hospital visit…do I get treated, kicked to the curb…er what?
and another concern..what do ya think employers will do?
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
2:00 pm
Watching the silly neocons meltdown after the punking today reminds me of another really bad day for them…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlOIy6QEbes&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Zedd
June 28th, 2012
2:00 pm
A quote from the ruling – “Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.” – Amen Brother!
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:00 pm
getalife:
Still down close to a million since Oblama took office…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
2:01 pm
Moderation for what..is that what I fought for to be moderated.
Many, if not most of have been moderated at one point or another, so don’t take it personally. There is software in place to put in moderation any post that contain certain words, even if you didn’t intentionally use any.
For example, the name A-t-w-a-t-e-r will be moderated for the simple reason that letters 2-5 spell the slang word of a woman’s naughty bits.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
2:01 pm
National new-home sales at highest level in 2 years
Cash-only home deals hit record levels
So, you know, not a lie. If you want to play semantics games then sure, I didn’t qualify my statement enough. But I sure as hell didn’t lie abut it.
getalife
June 28th, 2012
2:02 pm
joey,
No tax if you buy insurance.
You will need it so buy it moocher.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:02 pm
Erwin’s cat:
Employers will keep employment below 50 employees at all costs… So if you work somewhere on the borderline hope you have seniority…
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
2:02 pm
Joseph – “its a fact that its a TAX…”
Yes, it’s a tax. We can all read what Roberts said. It’s a tax that you pay in the form of a penalty should you choose not to carry health insurance. If you have insurance, you don’t pay it. If you don’t have insurance you will. Why are you so against healthcare and so supportive of riding someone elses coatails?
DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming
June 28th, 2012
2:02 pm
Cons never speak of the mooching corporations
Those are the “moochers” that they love…………
JM: I look forward to a tax code that requires me to pay higher taxes if I don’t buy broccoli weekly
I can tell who’s been listening to Bortz this morning……………
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:03 pm
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/06/28/the_court_rules_obamacare_is_the_largest_tax_increase_in_the_history_of_the_world
The Tax Man
June 28th, 2012
2:03 pm
Quantifaction noted and appreciated. I was channeling my inner JamVet.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
2:04 pm
Joseph: With that link, thank you for reminding me why you should be on my ignore list. “Because Rush says so” means you got nothin.
curious
June 28th, 2012
2:04 pm
Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people
June 28th, 2012
1:53 pm
I look forward to a tax code that requires me to pay higher taxes if I don’t buy broccoli weekly.
About time. The rest of us are tired of having to pay for your brocculi.
Despite what some call it. It’not a tax, it’s a FEE (ala Romney).
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:04 pm
Butch Cassidy:
I love to see libs squirm because they simply have no answers. Jay is silent because he understands that this ain’t gonna be good in November…
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
2:04 pm
Joseph – “Employers will keep employment below 50 employees at all costs”
Wow, it will be interesting to see Coca Cola, Delta, Bank of America, GE, Microsof, Apple et al continue to run operations with only 49 employees.
Brosephus™
June 28th, 2012
2:05 pm
Obamacare is a giant TAX on the American people.
Be careful while driving. News reports are already showing that we’re being attacked by giant tax…
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_INr1GQtj7NA/TI-obNeLLQI/AAAAAAAAABc/D_d8Xr8dDcQ/s1600/Photo+tacks+world+1-2.jpg
Oh crap, my bad… I confused tacks with tax… nevermind…
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:06 pm
Adam:
I thought you guys argued Oblama had nothing to do with gas prices? I don’t know where you get your housing numbers but I don’t think that accurate. Housing values are certainly down to late 80’s values..
Bob Loblaw
June 28th, 2012
2:06 pm
Roberts didn’t “single handedly” save Obamacare. His legal opinion is that the penalties assessed on employers who fail to cover employees were taxes. Congress can tax.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
2:06 pm
Joseph: With that link, thank you for reminding me why you should be on my ignore list.
First link on the right hand side of the gooey drudgey goodness.
TaxPayer
June 28th, 2012
2:07 pm
I don’t know if the cons can tolerate much more good news. They’re sounding mighty sick.
Glom
June 28th, 2012
2:08 pm
If millions of people are too stupid to buy health insurance, there are only two responses: an individual mandate or denying emergency room care to those who can’t pay.
DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming
June 28th, 2012
2:09 pm
While Auqagirl plays with the possibility by her reference to broccoli farmers, the fact is that now, as long as it is a tax, the federal government can make you do whatever it wants.
Dear Mama — here’s a newsflash for you, the government already DOES. If the governement reinstated the draft and said “Everyone, regardless of sex, must have mandatory, compulsory service in the Armed Forces up to the age of 45 or be imprisoned……..”
Guess what? You’re gonna have to do it!
Back in the 1800s the “goverment” imposed a tax on your income in an order to raise revenue. States huffawed, people screamed, some probably even sued, but guess what?
Its 2012 and we STILL pay income taxes.
Grow up Mama and like Alito said (concerning the 2000 election and the SC decision that put Dubya into office), “Get Over It Already!”
Mr. Snarky
June 28th, 2012
2:09 pm
To those predicting doom in Nov for Obama: this ruling doesn’t change the fact that Romney is a weasel…and the American people have no fondness for weasels.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
2:09 pm
Housing values are certainly down to late 80’s values..
Can you back that up?
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:09 pm
Adam:
Gubmint housing is up to record levels..
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:09 pm
6/28/2012 is the day Mitt Romney wrapped up the Presidency…
Tom(Independent-Viet Vet USAF)
June 28th, 2012
2:10 pm
All you liberal-heads bashing me for not wanting to pay for someone else’s healthcare or even education. What has happened to standing on your own two feet and earning what you get in life and not expecting the govt(taxpayers) to give it to you! You guys are pathetic, I just wish we could divide the country in half and give you(moochers) one side and us earners the others. In 40+yrs of working life, never made more than 30 grand a yr but always paid my taxes. We will not stick our nose in your business and you do like-wise. What a dream!
Adam
June 28th, 2012
2:10 pm
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/in-health-ruling-relief-for-obama-but-a-blow-to-conventional-wisdom/
If Mr. Obama is the victor from the standpoint of public policy, however, some observers have claimed that the decision could help Mitt Romney in terms of electoral politics.
With due respect, I think this counterintuitive conclusion is too cute by half. It may involve the same sort of wishful thinking that liberals were guilty of when some began to argue that the court striking the health care bill would actually help Mr. Obama politically.
…
The health care law is likely to remain fairly unpopular; opinions about it have been essentially unchanged for most of the last two years.
… continued dissatisfaction over the health care bill was presumably already priced into the polls. A decision that upholds the status quo is not likely to change that much.
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
2:10 pm
Joseph – “/28/2012 is the day Mitt Romney wrapped up the Presidency…”
And handed it to Obama with a Good Luck card.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
2:11 pm
Joseph: I thought you guys argued Oblama had nothing to do with gas prices? I don’t know where you get your housing numbers but I don’t think that accurate. Housing values are certainly down to late 80’s values..
He’s not, but a housing boost and lower gas prices are good for consumers and the long term recovery of the housing market.
Robert
June 28th, 2012
2:11 pm
GEORGIA
NUMBER OF UNINSURED: 1,905,000 state residents are uninsured, or 19 percent.
WHERE THE STATE STANDS: Georgia has done nothing to implement a health care exchange. Lawmakers have introduced bills that would either allow or hinder implementation of the law, though none have passed.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:11 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
Home prices are down to 2002 levels.. Thanks to Oblama…
http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/28/real_estate/home_prices/index.htm
DBCOOPER
June 28th, 2012
2:11 pm
I’m sure ‘healthcare’ will now improve.
It ain’t about health or care it’s about control. I think we all know that. On both sides.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
2:12 pm
Tom: All you liberal-heads bashing me for not wanting to pay for someone else’s healthcare or even education.
*shows you the door*
You’re always free to leave.
Mitt Romney - for or against Obamacare
June 28th, 2012
2:12 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUzEJiFpmsQ&feature=related
From the Center
June 28th, 2012
2:12 pm
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
2:04 pm
Joseph – “Employers will keep employment below 50 employees at all costs”
Wow, it will be interesting to see Coca Cola, Delta, Bank of America, GE, Microsof, Apple et al continue to run operations with only 49 employees.
They will just layoff Americans and shift more operations to low cost countries.
Tundra Dude
June 28th, 2012
2:13 pm
Brosephus wrote, in part:
Costs are going to continue to rise, and the government will not subsidize enough to make it any easier for libs or anybody else who already can’t afford to buy insurance.
Think yer right. Imo, this plan is not at all a good solution.
The Insurance Mob gets one last windfall b-4 they disappear.
vince
June 28th, 2012
2:13 pm
This somewhat conservative Independent is very happy with the court’s decision. Those of us who are free thinkers often sit back and wonder why the rest of the country has to play politics as an “us versus them” game or “I win, you lose” game.
It’s tearing the country apart.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:13 pm
But if you take into consideration inflation. They are down to 1895 levels..
http://www.smartmoney.com/spend/real-estate/why-us-house-prices-wont-recover-1335877657114/
JamVet
June 28th, 2012
2:13 pm
I was channeling my inner JamVet.
Don’t be envious. Or mad just cuz I’m stylin’ on you.
What a huge win for the Flipster, The Holy Original Father of Socialized Medicine!
And the I’m still rolling in the aisle over this insane new dance by you faux conservatives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xi4O1yi6b0
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
2:13 pm
What has happened to standing on your own two feet and earning what you get in life and not expecting the govt(taxpayers) to give it to you!
So, in all those “40+yrs of working life” you never once used a government (taxpayer) paid for road to drive to work?
Amazing.
How did you arrive to work?
Teleportation device?
curious
June 28th, 2012
2:14 pm
Pro wrestling must be real.
All the conservatives that don’t believe in personal responsibility posting here are obvious believers.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:15 pm
Who is going to pay for all the new medicaid slugs that will be going on the rolls?
getalife
June 28th, 2012
2:15 pm
Bold leadership accomplished something Presidents have tried getting passed for decades.
It is a big freaking deal.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:15 pm
I love the headline…
http://www.foxnews.com/
Soothsayer
June 28th, 2012
2:16 pm
Here is the Case-Shiller Home Price Index. (Hope this link works). It looks like home prices may have indeed found a bottom which would be good news. Whether they will ever approach 2006 levels in our lifetimes is unlikely.
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
2:16 pm
From the Center – “They will just layoff Americans and shift more operations to low cost countries.”
So I’m going to have to go to China to catch a Delta flight from New York to L.A? Hmmmm… can’t say that model will be good for business. And all just to avoid health insurance. Interesting.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
June 28th, 2012
2:17 pm
Home prices are down to 2002 levels..
2002 is not late 80s
I see the problem now.
You don’t know how to read a calendar.
nemesis
June 28th, 2012
2:17 pm
Adam I’m disappointed. “Let us know how that works for you.” Is that the best you can do or is that your way of saying that I am right and there is no way to get around it?
This new law will give eveyone the ability to avoid the cost of insurance if they so choose without the possibility of being denied coverage. These laws supposedly made to prevent such things will in fact let them occur legally, and yes Adam, I do intend to take full advantage of that. So what is the victory here except giving the government the ability to force the purchase of goods and services on those who choose not to? None.
Just a side note: Isnt it funny how similar the words “Obama Nation” and “abomination” sound? I dont think it’s a coincidence
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
2:17 pm
Tom – “In 40+yrs of working life, never made more than 30 grand a yr but always paid my taxes.”
In 25 years of working life I made considerably more than you and always paid my taxes. Your point?
getalife
June 28th, 2012
2:17 pm
cons are bums that don’t pay for services rendered.
Pay up dead beats.
TaxPayer
June 28th, 2012
2:17 pm
Poor Joseph seems to be taking the news very badly.
curious
June 28th, 2012
2:17 pm
Wow, it will be interesting to see Coca Cola, Delta, Bank of America, GE, Microsof, Apple et al continue to run operations with only 49 employees.
They will just layoff Americans and shift more operations to low cost countries.
We’ve been snookered again! This is all Romney’s plan to outsource/offshore more jobs.
Adam
June 28th, 2012
2:19 pm
Is that the best you can do or is that your way of saying that I am right and there is no way to get around it?
Actually, you’re wrong. Which is the point I was trying to make.
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:19 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes:
Read the next link and perhaps even your liberal mind can understand..
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:21 pm
A victory for libs is a TAX increase on middle class Americans… That comes from our future VP..
http://nation.foxnews.com/marco-rubio/2012/06/28/rubio-obama-victory-middle-class-tax-increase
Adam
June 28th, 2012
2:21 pm
I might take off early. See you all later, unless I change my mind
getalife
June 28th, 2012
2:22 pm
joey,
You lost.
The issue is over.
Get over it .
They BOTH suck
June 28th, 2012
2:22 pm
Joseph
Rubio is going to be on the ticket in 2016?
Proud to be me
June 28th, 2012
2:22 pm
A dark day for our health system!!
Joseph
June 28th, 2012
2:22 pm
There’s a lib arguing that its only $95 TAX. A $95 TAX is a lot of money for some people..
DebbieDoRight - Chocolate Coverered, Freak And Habit Forming
June 28th, 2012
2:23 pm
joseph @ 2:15 – you would……….
From the Center
June 28th, 2012
2:23 pm
Butch Cassidy
June 28th, 2012
2:16 pm
I am sure delta would not, but the others you listed most likely will
middle of the road
June 28th, 2012
2:23 pm
“So now the government can force somebody elses services upon someone else. I want a right to free air conditioning. My A/C unit is messing up!”
The good news is that right now, if your air conditioning breaks , congress has not passed a law that an A/C guy has to repair it and split the bill up among the rest of his customers if you can’t pay.
Mishap
June 28th, 2012
2:24 pm
Tom,
How much in taxes could you possibly have paid making 30k/yr? Did you have a family and kids? If so, I suspect your actual federal tax bill was much closer to zero than you think. My g/f clears a bit more than that and she pays under 10% effective w/o many deductions.
I’m not a big fan of higher taxes but people who make under 50k simply don’t have a lot to tax since most are either young or very old.
TaxPayer
June 28th, 2012
2:24 pm
How much is one office visit to your doctor, Joseph?