How do you say ‘Energiewende’ in American?
The answer is, you don’t.
The Germans have a reputation as hard-headed, practical and technically capable, and that reputation is being borne out — so far — as Germany moves quickly toward green energy. In 2000, the highly industrialized country produced just 6 percent of its electricity through renewable sources such as wind and solar; by 2011, that number had jumped to 20 percent.
And as Technology Review points out, the biggest step is yet to come, with Germany aiming to meet 35 percent of its electricity needs through renewables by 2020:
In 2010, the German government declared that it would undertake what has popularly come to be called an Energiewende — an energy turn, or energy revolution. This switch from fossil fuels to renewable energy is the most ambitious ever attempted by a heavily industrialized country: It aims to cut greenhouse-gas emissions 40 percent from 1990 levels by 2020, and 80 percent by mid-century.
The goal was challenging, but it was made somewhat easier by the fact that Germany already generated more than 20 percent of its electricity from nuclear power, which produces almost no greenhouse gases. Then last year, responding to public concern over the post-tsunami nuclear disaster in Fukushima, Japan, Chancellor Angela Merkel ordered the eight oldest German nuclear plants shut down right away. A few months later, the government finalized a plan to shut the remaining nine by 2022. Now the Energiewende includes a turn away from Germany’s biggest source of low-carbon electricity.
Germany has set itself up for a grand experiment that could have repercussions for all of Europe, which depends heavily on German economic strength. The country must build and use renewable energy technologies at unprecedented scales, at enormous but uncertain cost, while reducing energy use. And it must pull it all off without undercutting industry, which relies on reasonably priced, reliable power. “In a sense, the Energiewende is a political statement without a technical solution,” says Stephan Reimelt, CEO of GE Energy Germany. “Germany is forcing itself toward innovation. What this generates is a large industrial laboratory at a size which has never been done before. We will have to try a lot of different technologies to get there.”
How can Germany hope to pull off such a feat without driving electricity prices so high that industry is forced to leave? In part, by making residential customers and small business — captive users, in other words — pay the brunt of the increased cost, while largely exempting major industry.
Even with that arrangement, many business leaders are still not convinced it’s feasible, with one prominent German CEO referring to Energiewende as a “political wish that is without a realistic view of what is achievable.”
Such nervousness is understandable, given the enormity of the task that Germany has set for itself. German officials acknowledge that the technology does not yet exist to make their goal a reality. In effect, they are gambling that necessity will once again be the mother of invention, forcing innovation that otherwise would not occur.
So far, the progress that they’ve made is impressive. But as an American, I’m even more impressed with the fact that their political leadership is capable of undertaking such a bold campaign, with support across the political spectrum. Sadly, that capability seems to have atrophied on this side of the Atlantic.
– Jay Bookman
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ragnar danneskjold
June 27th, 2012
9:08 pm
Germans are used to dictators telling them how to live their lives; this is still new and alien to us in the USA.
Towncrier
June 27th, 2012
9:08 pm
“Based on your logic and reasoning that a “cover up” is taking place in regards to F&F, is it safe to say you raised hell when the Bush Administration coincidentally, but “accidentally” deleted (even from the mainframe, damn I say) millions of emails regarding several investigations?”
He probably did not, but I would wager Jay and many here did. That is the main problem with “politics” – it is like religion (or make sports) in that people have deeply held views in which they are emotionally invested. They often will then make the “facts” fit their view, rather than the other way around. I’m guilty of this, as is everyone here. Maybe the best way to “investigate” possible criminal activity is to let independent agents do it.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
9:09 pm
Yep, Holder and the DOJ conspired to get Arizona to pass lax gun laws that made bulk purchases easy to happen.
because the Obama administration are such total radical badasses, and pull this kinda stuff all the time.
yep.
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2012
9:11 pm
“Germans are used to dictators telling them how to live their lives; this is still new and alien to us in the USA.”
Sometimes it’s better to remain silent and be thought an idiot, than to speak and remove all doubt!
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
9:11 pm
Anyway, about the SCROTUS tomorrow? I’m in a pissy mood right now, so I figure not only will they go 5-4 and throw out the whole PPACA, they’ll do it in a super-broad scorched-earth way that opens the door to successful challenges to the constitutionality of Medicare and Social Security.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
9:12 pm
anyhoo–I’m done for the night. Later.
Recon 0311 2533
June 27th, 2012
9:12 pm
“Yep, Holder and the DOJ conspired to get Arizona to pass lax gun laws that made bulk purchases easy to happen.”
Operation Fast and Furious was an ATF, DoJ program (federal program) not a state of Arizona program. Need to be in sync with the facts.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
9:15 pm
ragnar danneskjold @ 9:08 pm
“Germans are used to dictators telling them how to live their lives; this is still new and alien to us in the USA.”
You mean like this ?
Headline: “German court rules religious circumcision on boys an assault”
“Circumcising young boys on religious grounds amounts to grievous bodily harm, a German court ruled Tuesday in a landmark decision that the Jewish community said trampled on parents’ religious rights.”
But tearing a young boy apart in the womb is not grievous bodily harm?
God help us.
http://news.yahoo.com/german-court-outlaws-religious-circumcision-172728400.html
P.S.
I guess sometime in the future that Jews in Germany will be reduced to circumcising their boys while they’re still in the womb. Then it should be o.k.
Recon 0311 2533
June 27th, 2012
9:15 pm
Okay, g’nite y’all…things to take care of and then Taps.
They BOTH suck
June 27th, 2012
9:16 pm
Bro @ 9:06
Need to correct you on your 87 date. I think it was March 86 when they decided that they could sell a Muslim from Kenya off as a Christian from Hawaii.
At least that is what the memo I received stated, but mine could have been junk mail and the one you recieved the real deal
Soothsayer
June 27th, 2012
9:20 pm
I’d to make a brief statement to the blog:
A fellow blogger and I had a misunderstanding recently. Misunderstanding is the operative word because the reason this blogger was upset with me was totally without merit.
Discussions with Jay have borne this fact out.
I don’t know and have no way of knowing whether or not this particular blogger has been banned. My wish and hope is that this is not the case.
I have e-mailed Jay and asked him that if, in fact, this particular blogger been banned, that he would consider lifting this ban. So far, I have not received a reply.
I want to make it clear that I hold no animosity towards any blogger here — regardless of political bent.
However, I want to make it clear that regardless of how the other bloggers here feel about me, I will continue to blog and speak my opinion until such time I am prevented from doing so.
I wish you all a good night.
Towncrier
June 27th, 2012
9:20 pm
“I don’t equate it with the “Birther” frenzy, because as TBS said earlier, there’s a bit of shenanigans involved. There’s no reason for the NRA to be so keenly involved in this, yet they’re putting their lobbying force behind this as though there were some kind of Brady Bill vote going on. In my view, the whole birther thing was pure nonsense. This, however, has the markings of a well orchestrated plan being put into play.”
With all due respect, Brosephus, this sounds a bit conspiratorial. First, it should not surprise you that some people (like me) do not necessarily trust Obama and Holder. Secondly, you must concede that some people likewise find Holder’s testimony before the Congress to be puzzling, at the very least (I mean, at one point, one Representative asked him if he was “winging it” after being asked to distinguish between FaF and previous “operations”). The Obama administration has asserted that no high ranking official knew of FaF, but we know that was not true the day after Terry died though Holder initially claimed he knew about it only weeks before (which he later amended). Maybe this is so. I simply would like further proof of this to ease my mind, is all.
Jm
June 27th, 2012
9:21 pm
Soothsayer
Sorry it ain’t so, Obama only up by 3 in OH
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_062612.pdf
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
9:23 pm
I miss Kamchack
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
9:23 pm
josef
—————-
dB
The only control over gun sales in this country will be tied to the supply of firearms. You’re more likely to get the GOP to vote for Obama in November than see any semblance of sensible gun laws in this country. It’s probably just a coincidence that ATF agents stumbled onto the straw purchases in Arizona in the first place. When people feel a need to have a gun in church, you know we’ve gone off the deep end with our affection for guns.
——————-
Operation Fast and Furious was an ATF, DoJ program (federal program) not a state of Arizona program. Need to be in sync with the facts.
True, and when fed prosecutors couldn’t prosecute based on applicable laws, the ATF agents went to state prosecutors with the same results. Regardless to who’s program it was doesn’t change the fact that under Arizona law, where the guns were purchased, there was not one single “illegal” transaction that would have allowed ATF agents to arrest the buyer and then have that buyer prosecuted.
If you’re looking for failure, there’s enough of it to go around. Holder’s just as much responsible for this as Darrel Issa is himself.
—————-
They BOTH
My bad. You’re right on the March 86, because that was not too long after the Challenger incident. That memo slipped between the cracks because of the focus on NASA that year.
Tundra Dude
June 27th, 2012
9:23 pm
Ausgezeichnet! Sehr gut fur die Deutsche. Warum bleiben wir mit Neanderthal-denken?
Lobby macht!
JamVet
June 27th, 2012
9:24 pm
Reading about Flip’s two step on individual mandate, I have come to the inescapable conclusion that he he is one Grade A slimy politician. He reminds me more and more of Tricky Dick. But without the intellectual capacity…
They BOTH suck
June 27th, 2012
9:24 pm
PPACA
At minimum the mandate gets thrown out imo. If it all is thrown out than of course we are at square one. If only partial, changes will still be coming.
If Romeny is elected of course they will work to defund what is remaining in some fashion or another. If Obama reelected
he will have to work with Repub House meaning he will agree to some changes to current policy, etc
Jm
June 27th, 2012
9:27 pm
Scout 9:23 – You’re a masochist
barking frog
June 27th, 2012
9:29 pm
josef
Einmal ein frosch, ein
dichter, zweimal dreimal
eine dame, kein vergessen
der Wurst!
JamVet
June 27th, 2012
9:29 pm
The Washington Post is standing by a report that Mitt Romney’s firm Bain Capital was active in outsourcing American jobs, Politico reports.
The Romney campaign had sought a retraction of the June 21 story arguing that its claims about Bain are either incomplete or inaccurate and that reporters misinterpreted SEC filings. President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign has seized on the report and quickly turned out ads to capitalize on it.
“We are very confident in our reporting,” Washington Post spokesperson Kris Coratti told Politico following a meeting between executive editor Marcus Brauchli and Romney representatives. Romney officials declined to comment.
“It was an off the record private meeting so I don’t have anything for you on that,” Andrea Saul told Politico.
The Post’s story said Bain was an early investor in firms that outsourced jobs heavily.
“Bain played several roles in helping these outsourcing companies, such as investing venture capital so they could grow and providing management and strategic business advice as they navigated this rapidly developing field,” the Post reported.
The only solver lining is that there had to be a sh*tload of Republican suckups who watched their jobs go overseas…
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
9:29 pm
Towncrier
You still have no justification as to why the NRA is pushing so hard for the contempt vote. Hopefully I haven’t given you or anybody else the impression that I think Holder’s squeaky clean in all this, as that’s not my viewpoint. I’m questioning why ALL the focus is on Holder and not the Arizona prosecutors or ATF agents involved. Why has it not been brought up that the whistleblower is the only one who submitted a proposal for gun walking in that office?
There are so many things wrong with this that I honestly don’t think we’ll ever know what really went on with this. As I said earler, it’s nothing more than political Kabuki Theater at this point. Nothing’s gonna happen to Holder. Nothing’s gonna bring an end to the blatant straw purchasing going in in Arizona. My fellow colleagues on the Southern Border are still going to be fighting against people who are armed with legally purchased US firearms. No memo being turned over will change any of that.
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 27th, 2012
9:30 pm
0311, I miss Kam, too. Jay said he isn’t banned so I apologize to you for accusing you.
Jm
June 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
Tbs 9:24
I partially disagree
Romney understands we have to do something about healthcare
He will help move the ball down the field Ina rational manner
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
“At minimum the mandate gets thrown out imo”
That would not be the minimum that could happen…it’s the maximum
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 27th, 2012
9:32 pm
Which doesn’t mean I won’t still scroll past most of your posts.
Jm
June 27th, 2012
9:33 pm
“I miss kam too”
This is a madhouse
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2012
9:40 pm
Bro – “You still have no justification as to why the NRA is pushing so hard for the contempt vote”
This isn’t a justification, but it is an explanation: apparently the NRA has let it be known that this vote will be used to rate the electibility of the members of Congress.
barking frog
June 27th, 2012
9:40 pm
0311
Kamchak may be watching
you!
He once was banned by
Cynthia Tucker while he
was being namejacked.
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
9:44 pm
If Obama reelected
he will have to work with Repub House meaning he will agree to some changes to current policy, etc
If that happens, then nothing’s going to happen. Those without and unable to get coverage will still end up being subsidized by those of us who have coverage and pay our bills as we should. I guess the conservative idea of self responsibility doesn’t include legislating that self responsibility. If it’s overturned, I don’t wanna hear anybody complain about having to pay for the healthcare of others.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77870.html
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
9:46 pm
Doggone
I read the letter the NRA sent to Issa and others. What does a contempt vote have to do with upholding 2nd Amendment rights? That IS what the NRA lobbies for, correct? I know you don’t have the answers, but it’s funny that the 2nd Amendment lovers here don’t have any answers either. TBS and I have both asked the same question and gotten nothing but crickets in response.
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 27th, 2012
9:48 pm
Jm@9:33, yeah, but ain’t we got fun.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2012
9:50 pm
“That IS what the NRA lobbies for, correct?”
Well, have you heard any of the convoluted conspiracy theory that’s it’s all a trick to bring down the 2nd amendment?
Tom Middleton
June 27th, 2012
9:52 pm
If we could get energy money out of our politics, Jay, or better yet, get the American people so one-pointed on their energy future that the Republicans wouldn’t dare get in the way, I bet we could.
Somehow, with our sitting right here and now discussing this, it doesn’t seem impossible. I mean, at least we could say we tried before we learned to live in the dark, speaking of mothers of invention (or maybe just more mothers)!
Jm
June 27th, 2012
9:57 pm
Energy money in politics isn’t the problem (re natural gas)
Ag money, and homebuilding money is
Welcome to the big leagues
The big boys play rough
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
9:59 pm
Doggone
Can’t say I’ve heard that one. I’ll have to ask Sooth about that one.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2012
10:01 pm
“Can’t say I’ve heard that one. I’ll have to ask Sooth about that one”
Yeah, really! Apparently it goes something like this: the Obama admin allowed guns to be sold illegally to Mexico to cause a revulsion against guns HERE in the US and thus open the way for stricter gun laws and the eventual removal of the 2nd amendment from the Constitution.
Hey, don’t blame ME for the weird logic in that, I’m just the messenger!
And It’s my bedtime. G’night!
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
10:04 pm
G’night. I think I’m gonna call it quits after that one. I think that post might cause me to have nightmares tonight.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
10:07 pm
Mike cracks me up.
The fake scandal is over but the cons can’t deal with it.
Polls are looking great for our President.
barking frog
June 27th, 2012
10:13 pm
getalife
willard is down. kick him.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
10:16 pm
rush said willard is not ready for prime time.
Trouble in la la land.
I agree with rush.
barking frog
June 27th, 2012
10:19 pm
getalife
that may be a rush to
judgment…
Josef
June 27th, 2012
10:19 pm
Enter your comments here
Josef
June 27th, 2012
10:20 pm
G’night
MiltonMan
June 27th, 2012
10:24 pm
“Oh! NO! Not Obama by 4 points in FLORIDA, Florida!. Now, this just cain’t be! I’m feelin’ a little faint.”
Yet another liberal douche bag who not only loves polls but does not have the sense of an ordinary rock to read them.
Obama is up 1.8 in your link moron not 4.
MiltonMan
June 27th, 2012
10:25 pm
“rush said willard is not ready for prime time.
Trouble in la la land.
I agree with rush.”
neither was obama but we elected the moron anyway.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
10:29 pm
“neither was obama but we elected the moron anyway.”
Did he collapse the global economy and lose two occupations?
Jay
June 27th, 2012
10:31 pm
Milton, please cease the personal insults.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
10:31 pm
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST) :
Accepted !! He will probably be back (if he isn’t already) under a new handle.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
10:43 pm
Jay:
I’m betting you have TWO different blogs ready to go tomorrow depending on which way the wind blows ……………………..
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 27th, 2012
10:46 pm
Uh, what are ag & home building money? Well, I’m old, ya know, so please ’splain.
Jm
June 27th, 2012
10:48 pm
Jay, you do realize, as that article stated, that Germany’s co2 emissions are going UP now, because they have shut down nuclear….
Furthermore, the great irony is that Germany now buys even more power from France, which is mostly run on nukes
And to add insult to injury, as all the sensible people in Germany grasp, the wend typically blows from west to east, meaning the french nukes are a far bigger risk to Germany than the German nukes
German nukes were a risk to…. poland
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
10:50 pm
Sooth:
Did you ever see one of “Oliphants” political cartoons? Used to run in the Washington Post every day.
Jm
June 27th, 2012
10:51 pm
Gmare
Ag=agriculture, the ag industry uses methane to make their fertilizer
Home building uses gobs of methane to make PVC, which is used for the pipes, window frames, etc etc. you’d be shocked how much PVC is in a new home, main ingredient: methane
j$
June 27th, 2012
10:51 pm
Not many links lately.
Just a bunch of Drivin and Cryin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_3CvrKWQe0
Jm
June 27th, 2012
10:52 pm
Scout, I bet jay has 4
Towncrier
June 27th, 2012
10:53 pm
Brosephus
“You still have no justification as to why the NRA is pushing so hard for the contempt vote.”
I don’t believe I have ever tried to justify the actions of the NRA. I very much support the 2nd amendment and amd against most gun control, but I don’t presently own a gun and have never paid the NRA much mind. They seem a tad bit overzealous to me.
“Hopefully I haven’t given you or anybody else the impression that I think Holder’s squeaky clean in all this, as that’s not my viewpoint.”
Thanks for that; I was starting to get that impression.
“I’m questioning why ALL the focus is on Holder and not the Arizona prosecutors or ATF agents involved.”
I suspect because you are at least in part correct: the investigation seems to be at least somewhat driven by politics. I am not so concerned about all of that as you are; I just want to know Holder hasn’t been lying (and I am not yet clear on that).
getalife
June 27th, 2012
10:54 pm
sc decision and gop over reach on holder.
Jm
June 27th, 2012
10:55 pm
I’m guessing jay will drop the headline, with rapidly following commentary, which will presumably going to be adjusted somewhat based on the specifics of the ruling
Unless he plans on just throwing &$#@ against the wall just because
Jm
June 27th, 2012
10:57 pm
Well the zombie was just smoking dope
Bad stuff, don’t do it
So much for legalization
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/tests-find-only-marijuana-1465784.html
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
10:58 pm
Jm:
You may be right and one will be about “Georgia Transportation” in case the SCOTUS dumps the whole thing !
Oscar
June 27th, 2012
11:00 pm
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 27th, 2012
10:46 pm
__________
Who and when mentioned money. Looked back a few pages and didn’t see it.
Oscar
June 27th, 2012
11:02 pm
Never mind, I just saw Jm answer it above.
Anybody else watching Dallas. John Ross wants to capture methane and use it for energy instead of oil.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
11:03 pm
jm,
You are always wrong.
Did you ever smoke weed?
Weed does not give you the munchies so bad that you eat face.
Mental problems not weed.
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 27th, 2012
11:05 pm
Oscar, Jm mentioned ag & home building $, on page 7 I think. Will have to go back to get time & context.
Jm
June 27th, 2012
11:05 pm
Boom
http://green.autoblog.com/2012/06/27/strong-majority-of-americans-support-higher-gas-tax-to-improve-r/
Just raise the gas tax crazy peeps
Oscar
June 27th, 2012
11:06 pm
Don’t think he will write anything until he knows what the decision is. No point in wasting time.
Jm
June 27th, 2012
11:07 pm
Get
Weed does not give you the munchies so bad that you eat face.
-apparently in certain cases it does. I did not inhale
j$
June 27th, 2012
11:08 pm
Thank allah obama finally agreed to their terms to lower petro in the short term.
Suckers.
Oscar
June 27th, 2012
11:09 pm
G Mare 71
I saw it, and read his explantion. Who not have understood is comment either, And don’t agree with it now that he has explained it.
Jm – a link or something to back up your statement.
Jm
June 27th, 2012
11:09 pm
Scout
When the mandate goes down, I have no doubt jay will point out: republican concept!
Oscar
June 27th, 2012
11:10 pm
I could never inhale either. I’m the only person in the country that believed it. Yes, i have some asthma and chronic bronchitus.
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 27th, 2012
11:11 pm
Me thinks tomorrow will be a very interesting day here.
Oscar
June 27th, 2012
11:12 pm
Best thing that could happen would be for the mandate to go down and the rest stay.
bman
June 27th, 2012
11:12 pm
“Don’t think he will write anything until he knows what the decision is. No point in wasting time.”
The “no point in wasting time” part- it made me think of Obama. I admit that I am no fan of Obama. But, I really do wish that when he was pushing the healthcare bill that he would have attempted to pulled the parties together and try to find solutions that, no only the 2 parties would mostly agree on, but also that much of Americans would have agreed with, too. Instead, it looks as if the whole thing may very well end up to have been…a waste of time.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
11:13 pm
Oscar:
Maybe. For sure the mandate needs to go.
Jm
June 27th, 2012
11:14 pm
Oscar, start here on fertilizer
http://www.theenergyfix.com/2011/11/21/boone-pickens-vs-koch-brothers-over-u-s-natural-gas-legislation-while-oil-reaches-100-again/
Though that ink doesn’t have the details on how methane is used in fertilizer, it mentions it
Jm
June 27th, 2012
11:15 pm
Oscar read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertilizer
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 27th, 2012
11:16 pm
Thanks, Oscar. It did seem a bit of a non sequitur. Ah well, maybe he will expound further tomorrow.
Good night, all.
ld
June 27th, 2012
11:16 pm
Georgia has a realtively small coastline compared to many other southern states; however, that coastline has the potential to be more important to Georgia’s citizens than it now is — more important than an import/export harbor; more important than a tourist destination; more important than taxes from the many mansions along and near its shore; more important than any fishing industry. Aside from any use as a navel base to defend our nation in time of war, the potential for the coast to provide energy and fresh water in a world in which you can be frackin sure both will be increasingly more scarce makes the coast a potential goldmine for investors and a potential lifeline for Georgia’s thirsty citizenry whose energy needs will, inevitably, increase.
The owners of the homes and businesses along the shoreline will likely object to anything that changes their view; however the potential for wind and wave energy coupled with the ever-increasing need for energy, along with the likelihood of needing to turn sea water to fresh water in an energy efficient and environmentally sound way to meet the needs of our major cities at some time in the future means there is money to be made by the engineers and enterpreneurs.
Old nuclear energy plants will eventually need to be shut down, if not permanently, then for an update/remodeling — and/or either new ones or alternatives to them designed and built.
Georgia Tech where are you?
Jm
June 27th, 2012
11:17 pm
Oscar read, PVC
http://www.ppfahome.org/pvc/historypvc.aspx
Oscar
June 27th, 2012
11:17 pm
bman
I hear what you are saying, and understand the frustration. People have been saying that ever since the bill pasted, and before it passed. But I don’t really think it was possible for that to happen, given the attidutes and positions of all the players on the field.
Even if shot dowm completely, don’t think it was a waste of time. At least it provoked a lot of discussion about health care in America.
Don’t think anyone wants to go back to where we were before – with pre-existing conditions not covered and some of the other parts of it that are favored by about 80 per cent of Americanss.
Tom Middleton
June 27th, 2012
11:18 pm
According to news reports, the makers of bath salts keep changing the molecule ever so slightly, so a one-size-fits-all test cannot be designed to test for it. Besides, I’ve heard of marijuana smokers eating lots of things, most of them sexy, but never somebody’s face. That would be a clear sign of insanity. I mean, licking it maybe!
Jm
June 27th, 2012
11:18 pm
Gmare 11:11 agreed
Jm
June 27th, 2012
11:21 pm
Id
There’s no real wind on the ga coast dude
Too far in
Wave energy is tough, brutal environment, though people are tinkering with it
BADA BING
June 27th, 2012
11:22 pm
Und now is the time on Bookman ven we dance………
Jm
June 27th, 2012
11:22 pm
Zombie dude had bad munches
Don’t smoke dope
Jm
June 27th, 2012
11:26 pm
“Additionally, those in the younger age group (here, 18-to-24-years-old) were the most in favor of either gas, sales or mileage taxes, while the 55-plus group was the least supportive.”
Old fogies really do blow sometimes
Between entitlements and this, it’s a miracle anything gets done in America
Tom Middleton
June 27th, 2012
11:26 pm
You should have been a hppie for awhile, Jm. You’d be laughing at yourself right now.
Jm
June 27th, 2012
11:28 pm
Tom
I was a long hair in college
Jm
June 27th, 2012
11:29 pm
I liked beer
G Mare 71(PLEASE VOTE NO ON TSPLOST)
June 27th, 2012
11:30 pm
Tom M, eeeeww.
Had to come back for a few minutes to share the song in my head, “Show me the way to go home, I’m tired & I wanna go to bed. Had a little drink about an hour ago, & it went right to my head.”
Tom Middleton
June 27th, 2012
11:30 pm
Sure, Jm, whatever you say.
Oscar
June 27th, 2012
11:30 pm
Jm – Thanks for the links. Most people don’t realize what all oil is used for, and the amount of money. You are right, the big boys play dirty.
j$
June 27th, 2012
11:31 pm
Jm, sleep in off, home boy.
j$
June 27th, 2012
11:33 pm
obama has the middle east by tha balls!
4 more years?
Jm
June 27th, 2012
11:38 pm
Out
Nut balls have arrived
Tom Middleton
June 27th, 2012
11:43 pm
G Mare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nc2GWytR0E
Tom Middleton
June 27th, 2012
11:48 pm
Jm
Be sure to give him a big tip, Jm.
getalife
June 28th, 2012
12:02 am
Of course, four more years!
We will not go back to gop failures.