How do you say ‘Energiewende’ in American?

The answer is, you don’t.

The Germans have a reputation as hard-headed, practical and technically capable, and that reputation is being borne out — so far — as Germany moves quickly toward green energy. In 2000, the highly industrialized country produced just 6 percent of its electricity through renewable sources such as wind and solar; by 2011, that number had jumped to 20 percent.

And as Technology Review points out, the biggest step is yet to come, with Germany aiming to meet 35 percent of its electricity needs through renewables by 2020:

In 2010, the German government declared that it would undertake what has popularly come to be called an Energiewende — an energy turn, or energy revolution. This switch from fossil fuels to renewable energy is the most ambitious ever attempted by a heavily industrialized country: It aims to cut greenhouse-gas emissions 40 percent from 1990 levels by 2020, and 80 percent by mid-century.

The goal was challenging, but it was made somewhat easier by the fact that Germany already generated more than 20 percent of its electricity from nuclear power, which produces almost no greenhouse gases. Then last year, responding to public concern over the post-tsunami nuclear disaster in Fukushima, Japan, Chancellor Angela Merkel ordered the eight oldest German nuclear plants shut down right away. A few months later, the government finalized a plan to shut the remaining nine by 2022. Now the Energiewende includes a turn away from Germany’s biggest source of low-­carbon electricity.

Germany has set itself up for a grand experiment that could have repercussions for all of Europe, which depends heavily on German economic strength. The country must build and use renewable energy technologies at unprecedented scales, at enormous but uncertain cost, while reducing energy use. And it must pull it all off without undercutting industry, which relies on reasonably priced, reliable power. “In a sense, the Energiewende is a political statement without a technical solution,” says Stephan Reimelt, CEO of GE Energy Germany. “Germany is forcing itself toward innovation. What this generates is a large industrial laboratory at a size which has never been done before. We will have to try a lot of different technologies to get there.”

How can Germany hope to pull off such a feat without driving electricity prices so high that industry is forced to leave? In part, by making residential customers and small business — captive users, in other words — pay the brunt of the increased cost, while largely exempting major industry.

Even with that arrangement, many business leaders are still not convinced it’s feasible, with one prominent German CEO referring to Energiewende as a “political wish that is without a realistic view of what is achievable.”

Such nervousness is understandable, given the enormity of the task that Germany has set for itself. German officials acknowledge that the technology does not yet exist to make their goal a reality. In effect, they are gambling that necessity will once again be the mother of invention, forcing innovation that otherwise would not occur.

So far, the progress that they’ve made is impressive. But as an American, I’m even more impressed with the fact that their political leadership is capable of undertaking such a bold campaign, with support across the political spectrum. Sadly, that capability seems to have atrophied on this side of the Atlantic.

– Jay Bookman

431 comments Add your comment

First?

June 27th, 2012
3:55 pm

First?

June 27th, 2012
3:56 pm

I always make fun of people who do the “first” thing but now I see it’s kind of like making fun of the guy who caught the foul ball. It comes from envy.

I’m going to play Lotto tonight.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

June 27th, 2012
3:57 pm

While I do not agree with aspects of the program, you are right. At least they have a vision and leadership to implement it.

stands for decibels

June 27th, 2012
3:57 pm

Sadly, that capability seems to have atrophied on this side of the Atlantic.

at the risk of stating the obvious:

http://www.techienation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/solarwindcartoon.gif

Joseph

June 27th, 2012
4:06 pm

Well I thought Jay was going for the global warming slant… My bad… I got the memo to Jay…

Joseph
June 27th, 2012
3:34 pm

I got a feeling that Jay is probably going for the global warming angle for tomorrows tripe..

Matti

June 27th, 2012
4:08 pm

Ausgezeichnet! Sehr gut fur die Deutsche. Warum bleiben wir mit Neanderthal-denken?

Finn McCool (The System Isn't Broken; It's Fixed ~ from an Occupy sign)

June 27th, 2012
4:12 pm

Wind turbeens? In Gawja? I don’t think so.

Rome lasted around 477 years. We are on 236 and already yesterday’s news.

CJ

June 27th, 2012
4:13 pm

Meanwhile, weekend temps in Atlanta are predicted to rise above 100 degrees…in June.

Logical Dude

June 27th, 2012
4:14 pm

I think the green energy of the future is ocean current energy. It’s like a windmill, but instead of using low energy density “air”, you use high energy density “water”. Imagine how much energy you can produce just off the coast using the Gulf Stream. HUGE amounts.
Oh sure, there are a few obstacles:
energy transmission from underwater
underwater construction
underwater maintenance
corrosive resistant materials

You know, easy stuff.

jd

June 27th, 2012
4:16 pm

Even Margaret Thatcher came to see that wasting energy=wasting money and that was not a conservative family value!

TaxPayer

June 27th, 2012
4:16 pm

A captive residential audience! I’m aghast! Republicans must be fuming at the prospect of such a thing occurring here, in the freedom states of America.

TaxPayer

June 27th, 2012
4:17 pm

I’m just glad that the cons know that there’s no such thing as global warming. Otherwise, things could really heat up.

carlosgvv

June 27th, 2012
4:20 pm

“which depends heavily on German economic strength”

Since we now live in a global economy, America also depends heavily on German economic strength. Couple that with their bold political leadership as contrasted to our gutless leaders and, after being defeated in two world wars, they just might wind up winning the world after all.

Soothsayer

June 27th, 2012
4:20 pm

Soothsayer

June 27th, 2012
4:23 pm

Oh! I forgot to tell you. The “fuel” is free.

Rickster

June 27th, 2012
4:24 pm

Germany is developing wind & other sources of energy because they have to. They do not have the oil & natural gas resources that our country does.

I have no problem with developing a “21st century” energy policy, as long as it includes oil, and nuclear along with others.

Brosephus™

June 27th, 2012
4:24 pm

Oh geez, don’t let jm get ahold of this one. He’ll likely go into shock or something… :)

TaxPayer

June 27th, 2012
4:28 pm

The cons are ratherquiet at the moment. Did their Fahrvergnügens explode?

Jefferson

June 27th, 2012
4:29 pm

The USA was inovative during the moon shot era, now the GOP only wants tax breaks for the rich. A great country cost money.

Steve - USA ("None of the Above")

June 27th, 2012
4:32 pm

I used 808 k WH last month and my total bill including tax was $96.89, If Grandpa never left Germany I would be paying $216.14 for last month.

I am glad Grandpa got on that ship.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

June 27th, 2012
4:33 pm

Hint:

Don’t trust anything the Germans do.

They started two world wars !!

P.S. What does this have to do with Georgia transportation?

ByteMe - Political thug

June 27th, 2012
4:35 pm

People want to point partisan fingers about why we don’t have the guts to change. It’s the cons fault. It’s the libs fault. It’s them. They’re the ones!

It’s our own fault, though. We’re too scared of suffering some unknown/undefined discomfort that might possibly maybe come with change. So we prefer slow-paced evolution to visionary revolution. The current generation has had it too easy for too long to want to do big things like land a person on the moon.

We need a good war to create another “greatest generation”. We need to get away from the all-volunteer army and make everyone serve for 2 years after high school, so that the soldier we send to war is one of us and not one of them. We need to learn again about sacrifice for the common good.

MiltonMan

June 27th, 2012
4:35 pm

“How can Germany hope to pull off such a feat without driving electricity prices so high that industry is forced to leave? In part, by making residential customers and small business — captive users, in other words — pay the brunt of the increased cost, while largely exempting major industry.”

Funny that Jay fails to mention that Germans pay some of the highest electrical rates already – almost 3 times more than we pay in the US.

j$

June 27th, 2012
4:35 pm

How do you say “Energiewende” in America?

“Der Kommissar Obama”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w4Xulsjo5I

FAIL

b-troll

June 27th, 2012
4:37 pm

“Without enough cheap, reliable power to support the high-technology industry and the transportation system, Germany’s economy—and that of Europe as a whole—could be in trouble. Already some German firms are building new manufacturing facilities elsewhere; for example, last year the chemical producer Wacker ­Chemie decided to build a polysilicon plant in Tennessee, partly because energy costs in Germany were so high. Weale says, “The quality of the supply would only have to deteriorate a little bit and it would be quite serious for this high-­technology industry. We’ve already seen, even without the lights going out, that industry is getting nervous.” ”

This is the part that cracks me up. I read this earlier. A solar company having to relocate to the US because….. the electricity from alternative energy in Germany has gotten to expensive for them to compete.

Ah the irony.

ByteMe - Political thug

June 27th, 2012
4:37 pm

Funny that Jay fails to mention that Germans pay some of the highest electrical rates already – almost 3 times more than we pay in the US.

And yet the German economy continues to grow much faster than the economy of, say, Greece. Seems that paying more for energy doesn’t kill the economy or cause job loss. But you failed to mention that.

Jefferson

June 27th, 2012
4:37 pm

President Obama is cheering for the USA in the olympics, will the GOP and their flock oppose him ? Duckheads.

Steve - USA ("None of the Above")

June 27th, 2012
4:38 pm

So suddenly the Liberals on here are all for giving massive energy breaks for large corporations and have energy costs basically subsidized by small business and residential customers.

Is that what you really want or you didn’t bother to actually read the article and links?

ByteMe - Political thug

June 27th, 2012
4:39 pm

So suddenly the Liberals on here are all for giving massive energy breaks for large corporations and have energy costs basically subsidized by small business and residential customers.

Where did you read that the Liberals on here are ALL for giving energy breaks to corporations?

b-troll

June 27th, 2012
4:39 pm

when the rubber meets the road, they won’t terminate those nuclear plants that the manufacturing heartland of Germany depends on

MiltonMan

June 27th, 2012
4:40 pm

“The USA was inovative during the moon shot era, now the GOP only wants tax breaks for the rich. A great country cost money.”

Let’s just ignore that Obama has cut NASA budget shall we?

godless heathen

June 27th, 2012
4:40 pm

This is great. The “captive users” (not sure you should use that term in regards to Germany) will bear the price of the engineering and the innovation and then we can steal it from them.

carlosgvv

June 27th, 2012
4:41 pm

ByteMe – 4:35

That “good war” you speak of would be WWIII. It would be an all out nucelar war and would last about eight hours. Our next “greatest generation” would be dead in a week.

Steve - USA ("None of the Above")

June 27th, 2012
4:41 pm

“Where did you read that the Liberals on here are ALL for giving energy breaks to corporations?”

Show me the post of one the left wingers here that was against it.

TaxPayer

June 27th, 2012
4:41 pm

Where did you read that the Liberals on here are ALL for giving energy breaks to corporations?

It was right there in the article where Steve said it was.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 27th, 2012
4:42 pm

Steve USA

But don’t forget, like taxpayer, after they get the tax breaks and don’t pay much in taxes, they will then be constantly criticized and their CEO pay will be compared to their low tax bill, that resulted from doing what the voters and government wanted

Ah the liberal stupidity, it knows no bounds

MiltonMan

June 27th, 2012
4:44 pm

“President Obama is cheering for the USA in the olympics, will the GOP and their flock oppose him ? Duckheads.”

Remind us how this clown disguised as a president was able to secure the Olympic Games for his beloved Chicago.

Clean energy

June 27th, 2012
4:45 pm

Heck, I’d just like us to hit the 20% electricity from nukes. That alone would cut carbon emissions tremendously, help slow/stop global warming (if humans are driving that), clean up the brown air outside, reduce our reliance on the always democratic Middle East.

JohnnyReb

June 27th, 2012
4:46 pm

Windmill power is blowing up the wrong tree for America.

Natural gas is much less costly and abundent.

T. Boone lost millions on windmill projects. He has changed his tune and is backing natural gas. He has a plan but is receiving oppostion from my party because they/Rebulicans want the energy solution to be driven by the free market. T. Boone’s plan would cut the projected time if market driven in half and not cost taxpayers. It also would reduce those old objectionable emmissions at the same time.

His plan is convert about 20K long haul diesel trucks to natural gas. Doing so would also drastically cut oil imports.

My money is on T.Boone, but the tree huggers have to get over the fact that fracking does not pollute the water.

MiltonMan

June 27th, 2012
4:48 pm

“Since we now live in a global economy, America also depends heavily on German economic strength. Couple that with their bold political leadership as contrasted to our gutless leaders and, after being defeated in two world wars, they just might wind up winning the world after all.”

How exactly does the US depend heavily on Germany??? Also, please ignore the Marshall Plan in which the US spent billions rebuilding Europe post-WWII.

JamVet

June 27th, 2012
4:49 pm

What are the effective tax rates for German corporations?

Do they pay their fair share?

Or are they just subsidized parasites like so many of ours?

With that information, I would be able to make a semi-educated guestimate as to whether giving them a break in this matter is warranted or not.

At any rate, the Germans are innovative, intelligent and visionary.

They are the anti-Republicans…

godless heathen

June 27th, 2012
4:50 pm

I admire the Germans and their commitment and glad they leading the way. If you want to get something done, from building fine motor cars to exterminating millions, sic the German engineers on it.

Steve - USA ("None of the Above")

June 27th, 2012
4:50 pm

Byte me -

So where’s the post of one of the usual suspect Lib’s saying they were against the German plan?

Bueller….Bueller….Bueller

So suddenly doubling residential bills to subsidize large corporations is a OK with the Libs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQ_Ja02gTY

Time to make Dinner. See ya!

Brosephus™

June 27th, 2012
4:51 pm

Let’s just ignore that Obama has cut NASA budget shall we?

And don’t forget to mention the reason why. The decision to end the Space Shuttle program was made during the previous administration. Once again, don’t fault Obama for following through with GW Bush’s promises and directives.

JamVet

June 27th, 2012
4:51 pm

I am not opposed to nuclear power plants int his country.

But I would never advocate letting the free market run them.

They will get us all killed in no time flat just to make the next quarter’s projections that Wall Street demands…

Jefferson

June 27th, 2012
4:53 pm

Milton, to put it nice youarefullofcrap. NASA cost money, I’m for spending it, you hate your president and want everything for free. Get over the hate and life is a highway.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 27th, 2012
4:54 pm

Natural gas (and wind, and nuclear) are the smart solution for now

Solar is a money pit except for R&D

killerj

June 27th, 2012
4:56 pm

I,m not surprised,this small european country has come pretty close to ruling the world.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 27th, 2012
4:56 pm

Jamvet’s 4:49 is the epitome of liberal insanity

godless heathen

June 27th, 2012
4:57 pm

“And don’t forget to mention the reason why. The decision to end the Space Shuttle program was made during the previous administration. ”

Obama scuttled the successor to the Shuttle program, Orion, I think it was called.

But that’s OK, we got private business flying supplies to the Space Station now.

JamVet

June 27th, 2012
5:00 pm

Speaking of forewarned idiots.

Carter told you losers what was coming and what did the addled Ronnie do?

He took those solar arrays off of the White House roof. Just so he could show his anti-intellectuals how being stupid was cool.

And back in the late 1970s some know nothing numbskull was saying, “Solar is a money pit except for R&D”.

Permanently stuck on stupid…

Road Scholar

June 27th, 2012
5:01 pm

Also Milton, the US would like to export our commodities. Do you think Germany buys any from us? Do you think a thriving Germany/Europe would buy more? Do you think?

Billybob

June 27th, 2012
5:02 pm

keep following the radical leftists ideology all the way to europe jay…..obama does want to cut this country down to size and wants us to be like europe and you blindly follow jay…..european socialist state on the way via the radical leftist democrat party…….all hail gov’t say the leftists…..no thanks

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 27th, 2012
5:02 pm

JohnnyReb

Tboones plan makes sense

We need the natural gas stations to fill up

Chicken egg problem, there is a small role available for government to temporarily play

The Snark

June 27th, 2012
5:04 pm

Matti:

Warum bleiben wir mit Neanderthal-denken? Weil wir SIND Neanherthals. Nur lesen Sie diesen Aussagen.

barking frog

June 27th, 2012
5:05 pm

Energiewende is
Pumpernickel.

Billybob

June 27th, 2012
5:06 pm

hey jay,
why would obama write and autobiography full of lies…..do you have a thought on that book…..did it help to create the false marketing campaign that axelrod divised to fool the american people into thinkinbg this guy is not who he is…..after 3.5 years of king hussein, is he the moderate that your leftist media ilk presented to the people? any thoughts
can you define shat obama meant when he said he wanted to ‘fundamentally change the US’?….

carlosgvv

June 27th, 2012
5:06 pm

MiltonMan – 4:48

Greece, a minor country compared to Germany, has sent shock waves thru Wall Street with it’s financial troubles. If an economically powerful European country like Germany suddenly tanked, we would definitely feel it big time here. Don’t you ever read of listen to the news?

As for the Marshall Plan, that was over SIXTY years ago. Today’s Germany bears no resemblance to the bombed out country we helped all those years ago.

Billybob

June 27th, 2012
5:07 pm

slippery keyboard today…..

TaxPayer

June 27th, 2012
5:10 pm

Fortunately for godless heathen, jm and JohnnyReb continue to provide no linkees.

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 27th, 2012
5:10 pm

Germany will go under if this plan comes to fruition

But it won’t (come to fruition)

Jay

June 27th, 2012
5:12 pm

Actually, Steve, since the average German uses about half the electricity of an American — in part because of efficiency, in part because of climate differences (less need for AC), it would be close to a wash if your grandfather had stayed put.

Billybob

June 27th, 2012
5:12 pm

jay,
the media will not be allowed to give obama a pass when europe goes down and blame our economy on them…….this economy is his and that fact will not be in question…..just thought i would head that off at the msnbc/media matters pass……funny how msnbc/nbc and liberal rags and leftist opinion guys like you all around the country seem to be in lock/step….almost like the radical leftist dictate is sent out to all at the same time and then broadcaste nationwide however libs think people will buy it in their area…..puppets are fun

Jeffrey

June 27th, 2012
5:13 pm

I’ve worked building green houses in Atlanta. I learned that in Germany any structure over 400 sq ft is to be built green. It can be done. And from a financial standpoint it makes sense because it really doesn’t cost much more.

TaxPayer

June 27th, 2012
5:14 pm

The GOP’s science advisor and braintrust, James Inhofe, says they don’t need no steenking green energy so long as there is an abundant supply of baked beans for him and his constituency.

Aloha Vampire

June 27th, 2012
5:14 pm

I know it’s 24hrs too early but I have to work tomorrow night and Johnny Cash said it best -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSWethcZOT4

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 27th, 2012
5:16 pm

Taxpayer go read the article

SwamiDave

June 27th, 2012
5:17 pm

Hopefully for the taxpayers of Germany, their leadership of is not following the Obama administration model of giving billions of dollars to political donors for programs that produce no results.

-D

Billybob

June 27th, 2012
5:20 pm

here’s a thought jay…why not suggest everyone turn their lights off at night throughout the nation in rural and metropolitan areas and you might be amazed how much less electricity might be used on a voluntary basis……or we can do it your way by having gov’t force compliance through dictate onto the people, right up hussein’s alley eh jay….bet i know which way the founders would like…..i myself will always put my faith into the people….when you are honest with them and give them a chance to do the right things, they will…..when liberals don’t like something they don’t want anyone else to do it either and they try foce that on them…..enough honesty about liberalism today jay……your wlecome

Aloha Vampire

June 27th, 2012
5:20 pm

Wow… I meant two days….

I’ve been working on a six day burn and don’t even know what day it is anymore.

Some folks work long hours and some folks blog all day and night cuz they ain’t working…..

Billybob

June 27th, 2012
5:20 pm

good one taxpayer….

Doggone/GA

June 27th, 2012
5:21 pm

“their leadership of is not following the Obama administration model of giving billions of dollars to political donors for programs that produce no results”

You do realize…don’t you?…that even if you repeat a lie 10,000 times it’s no more true at 10,000 than it was at 1

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 27th, 2012
5:21 pm

Taxpayer whines about links

When asked for a scientific link to back his position up, he provides a link to an advocacy group

Ok

MiltonMan

June 27th, 2012
5:21 pm

“Greece, a minor country compared to Germany, has sent shock waves thru Wall Street with it’s financial troubles. If an economically powerful European country like Germany suddenly tanked, we would definitely feel it big time here. Don’t you ever read of listen to the news?”

Using your bird brain logic, should we expect Germany to go under if they do not use wind power? Please, oh please, share with us why exactly Greece is such crappy shape? Could it be because the liberal benefit structure uh pal???

TaxPayer

June 27th, 2012
5:21 pm

Studies have proven that a primary source of human-induced global warming is CO2. And if only the cons would spare us from having to listen to their incessant moaning about how terrible their lives are without Bush, we could cut back on hot CO2 saturated air and the global warming problem could be solved.

TaxPayer

June 27th, 2012
5:22 pm

Meanwhile jm provides more of the same.

Joe Hussein Mama

June 27th, 2012
5:23 pm

Matti — “Ausgezeichnet! Sehr gut fur die Deutsche. Warum bleiben wir mit Neanderthal-denken?”

Ich liebe der denken von sie, Fraulein. :D

Loose translation for the German-impaired: I like the way you think, lady.

MiltonMan

June 27th, 2012
5:23 pm

“Studies have proven that a primary source of human-induced global warming is CO2. And if only the cons would spare us from having to listen to their incessant moaning about how terrible their lives are without Bush,…”

I for one am glad Bush is gone. You libs and your man are the ones who keep bringing up Bush all the time. I am starting to believe it is you guys who miss the clown.

Aloha Vampire

June 27th, 2012
5:23 pm

My response to TaxPayer -

Stop breathing… Your CO2 is killing the rest of us.

josef

June 27th, 2012
5:24 pm

MATTI ist auf dem richtigen Weg.

Erste, müssen wir in der deutschen beginnen zu bloggen ..

Erste, müssen wir auf Deutsch bloggen.

“Warum bleiben wir mit Neanderthal-denken?”

Vielleicht, sind wir nicht Cro-Magnon wie die Deutschen!

TaxPayer

June 27th, 2012
5:24 pm

jm apparently thinks that the EPA is an advocacy group.

Billybob

June 27th, 2012
5:25 pm

doggone,
their are stats showing who bundled for obama, then who met with obama numerous times at the white house and then who received numerous green energy grants and finally what a complete failure most of those businesses were…..2+2=4, not 5 sir…..

TaxPayer

June 27th, 2012
5:26 pm

If a vampire sighs “Aloha” on a mirror, is there anything there to see.

carlosgvv

June 27th, 2012
5:26 pm

THIS JUST IN

In Feb. or March, a Dekalb county official, in an e-mail describing the problems of a run down neighborhood, used the very old expression “barrel full of monkeys” to indicate the problems. Black community “activists” are now calling for his resignation. He has apologized saying he didn’t mean anything racial. The professional victims aren’t buying this, naturally, and will definitely stir up as much trouble as possible.

Whahema

June 27th, 2012
5:26 pm

In the US Obama is too busy giving out subsidies to companies that have poor prospects but good political connections to really accomplish anything meaningful.

Billybob

June 27th, 2012
5:26 pm

under obama the epa is absolutely and radical advocacy group

too little time

June 27th, 2012
5:27 pm

In part, by making residential customers and small business — captive users, in other words — pay the brunt of the increased cost, while largely exempting major industry.

and then some libtard comments:

A captive residential audience! I’m aghast! Republicans must be fuming at the prospect of such a thing occurring here, in the freedom states of America.

Seriously? You think that Democrats wouldn’t have a problem with giving business on pass on higher rates, and saddling consumers with the whole bill? I can here the howling from the left already! But what Democrats would do is to THEN go in and give those who currently pay no federal income tax a subsidy, thus pushing the ENTIRE bill to the same 51% of federal income taxpayers who already pay for everything else.

TaxPayer

June 27th, 2012
5:28 pm

Is MiltonMan also looking forward to an end to those Bush tax cuts so we can get to paying down our debt.

Adam

June 27th, 2012
5:28 pm

I for one am glad Bush is gone. …. I am starting to believe it is you guys who miss the clown.

So then you’re not voting for Romney, who will basically do what Bush did only even more of it?

Jm-pass TSPLOST silly people

June 27th, 2012
5:30 pm

A/C is a vicious circle

What u gonna do?

A/C R&D needed

Moderate Line

June 27th, 2012
5:30 pm

How can Germany hope to pull off such a feat without driving electricity prices so high that industry is forced to leave? In part, by making residential customers and small business — captive users, in other words — pay the brunt of the increased cost, while largely exempting major industry.
+++++
Is that not coporate welfare which Dems are against. Plus that is not keeping prices low that is make one person pay for someone else power use.

Brosephus™

June 27th, 2012
5:31 pm

But that’s OK, we got private business flying supplies to the Space Station now.

Doesn’t it fit conservative logic that:

(a) The private sector can perform non-governmental functions better and more efficiently than the public sector

and

(b) Private sector spending on non-Constitutional things is better than public sector spending.

And they accuse Obama of being some far-Left Liberal… :lol:

josef

June 27th, 2012
5:32 pm

Oops

That should read

Erste, müssen wir in der deutschen beginnen zu bloggen UND DANN zweite müssen wir auf Deutsch bloggen.

:-)

Joe Hussein Mama

June 27th, 2012
5:33 pm

What happened to the America that used to build remarkable things and undertake incredible challenges? It should be us taking on this energy challenge, not the Germans. It should be a national challenge on the scale of President Kennedy’s “we choose to go to the moon and to do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard” speech.

Not every alternative energy source is going to work everywhere, but solar will work in the Sun Belt. Wind turbines willl work in the Great Plains. And I’m not opposed to next-generation nuclear, especially the technologies like pebble-bed reactors, which are FAR safer than the plants than came online in the 70s.

Just think — if we could squeeze out 10% of our energy needs from solar, 10% from wind, 10% more from nuclear, 10% more from natural gas and 10% from squeezing efficiencies out of what we’re already doing, that’s *half* of our national energy needs covered before we even have to start talking about petroleum.

Don’t you LIKE the idea of spending less on buying oil from people who hate us? I sure do.

Come on. We can do this. All the other forms of energy get subsidies — petroleum and nuclear *especiallly* get massive subsidies of taxpayer money. So why can’t we get up some national will and make this happen for the benefit of the entire country?

Adam

June 27th, 2012
5:33 pm

The private sector can perform non-governmental functions better and more efficiently than the public sector

Interesting. You put “non-governmental” in there. Usually they leave that part out.

Aloha Vampire

June 27th, 2012
5:34 pm

T-Splost ist ein Betrug!

td

June 27th, 2012
5:35 pm

We should be supporting all energy alternatives as well as oil, HG and Nuclear.

Adam

June 27th, 2012
5:35 pm

JHM: What happened to the America that used to build remarkable things and undertake incredible challenges? It should be us taking on this energy challenge, not the Germans.

To be fair, from a practical standpoint it makes sense to let other countries do the hard part and then steal their finished product. Other countries have done that. Of course they are also raising children with quality education whereas we keep cutting education so I don’t have particular confidence in reverse engineering. The U.S. will have to be more sneaky about how to steal the technology.

Adam

June 27th, 2012
5:36 pm

td: We should be supporting all energy alternatives as well as oil, HG and Nuclear.

I don’t think you get what is meant by “alternatives” in the minds of most Americans. It’s darn near a slur for the Fox crowd!

Adam

June 27th, 2012
5:37 pm

So recap: Good news this month, housing sales are up. Bad news: Gas prices are down. I think both have to do with jobs and both have to be up in order for us to generate a good jobs report.