GOP: Massive campaign donations should be secret
“WASHINGTON — During their long campaign to loosen rules on campaign money, conservatives argued that there was a simpler way to prevent corruption: transparency. Get rid of limits on contributions and spending, they said, but make sure voters know where the money is coming from.
Today, with those fundraising restrictions largely removed, many conservatives have changed their tune. They now say disclosure could be an enemy of free speech.
High-profile donors could face bullying and harassment from liberals out to “muzzle” their opponents, Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in a recent speech.
Corporations could be subject to boycotts and pickets, warned the Wall Street Journal editorial page this spring.
Democrats “want to intimidate people into not giving to these conservative efforts,” said Republican strategist Karl Rove on Fox News. “I think it’s shameful.”
The Times’ story goes on to document a wide-ranging effort by conservative groups to undermine, dismantle and evade laws intended to force disclosure of who is giving how much money to who. They are also aggressively abusing a loophole in regulations that allow nonprofit groups to collect hundreds of millions of dollars in anonymous donations — under the guise that they are social-welfare organizations — and use that anonymous money to buy campaign ads.
The Federal Election Commission, which has the legal authority and even obligation to intervene, has been rendered incapable of doing so. In an all-too-familiar pattern, the commission’s three Republican members are blocking its three Democratic members from taking action to force disclosure that the law clearly requires. (See Van Hollen v. FEC).
As a result, it is becoming increasingly difficult for the public and the media to “follow the money,” the traditional means to trace how big money in the political system produces favorable outcomes for those doing the giving.
The excuse for such secrecy is that large donors fear a backlash should their involvement become public. Poor little sensitive dears.
What do they think happens when John Q. Public writes a letter to the editor of the local newspaper, puts a campaign sign in his front yard or a bumper sticker on his car?
Why should they be exempt from disclosing contributions measured in the millions of dollars, while Jane Q. Public’s little $500 contribution to a candidate ends up in a FEC database accessible to her employer, her family and friends and everyone else with an Internet connection?
As one prominent jurist noted back in 2010:
“Requiring people to stand up in public for their political acts fosters civic courage, without which democracy is doomed. For my part, I do not look forward to a society which, thanks to the Supreme Court, campaigns anonymously and even exercises the direct democracy of initiative and referendum hidden from public scrutiny and protected from the accountability of criticism.”
Of course, given that the jurist in question was Justice Antonin Scalia, he may be singing a different tune now, given the partisan turn this issue has taken.
– Jay Bookman
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Lord Help Us
June 27th, 2012
12:37 pm
a dad,
Can you please link the Issa letter. I would like to read it side by side with the Fortune article posted on today (about three times) and see how Issa’s letter squares with the facts in the case.
Thanks!
josef
June 27th, 2012
12:37 pm
TY
I’ve steered clear of the Martin-Zimmerman one, but the point I was making in Jay’s favor was that given the tone and tenor of what was being said on both “sides” he could’ve played it like the rest of the media were and he didn’t. Thass all. I leave it to others to judge him on how he handled it when he DID speak to it. But I don’t think he “baited” it per se.
carlosgvv
June 27th, 2012
12:38 pm
Scout
Has it ever occured to you that, even if the “entire world is trying to get here”, that does not mean things are just peachy here. Furthermore, maybe you should check and see how many people are leaving America.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
12:38 pm
“President Obama — who analysts originally thought would be history’s first $1 billion presidential candidate — lowered that bar Tuesday, warning donors instead that he now expects to be outspent by the GOP this year.”
No wonder the libs. are upset about donations. If this headline was reversed, you wouldn’t hear a peep.
TaxPayer
June 27th, 2012
12:38 pm
godless,
What do I want?
I want to know why you have chosen to make your snide remarks to me after I posted a comment initially that you agreed with simply because I also posted a link that actually gives a good overview of the fracking process and the toxic chemicals used, etc. in response to claims by JohnnyReb and Jm that there was no proof that toxic chemicals were being introduced into groundwater as a result of fracking operations. I want to know why you let their comments slide even when you know better. You know, that sort of thing.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
12:38 pm
carlosgvv:
Hopefully, all are liberals !
They BOTH suck
June 27th, 2012
12:39 pm
getalife
Several Dems will vote for contempt. It would be nice to know how many of them have had contact with the NRA in the last two weeks. In the end, they can vote how they wish, but it does beg the question
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
12:40 pm
A dad — “Joe Hussein, Adam, etc. Since I work,I don’t have the luxury to constantly check up on blogsd to see what’s said, either in response to something I said or the general direction the blog has taken. As we all agree re full disclosure, let’s keep in mind the term money laundering, and that someone, either individual or corporation, undoubtedly has the resources to launder money through multiple levels to make any dubious connections disappear.”
With all due respect, a great deal of time and effort is expended to keep that sort of thing from happening, and just this month, over a dozen large banks voluntarily settled with the US government over charges that they had in effect laundered money by processing transactions with countries on the FATF watch list. I know that Wells Fargo settled for quite a large sum. Here’s a DOJ press release about one of the settlements:
http://www.bis.doc.gov/news/2012/doj06122012.htm
josef
June 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
ST SIMON’S
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
I wish they would do the vote and be done with it.
I wish Issa would go back to what he does best–car theft and arson.
A dad
June 27th, 2012
12:42 pm
Lord Help Us – unfortunately I don’y have a link, but rather an actual copy of the letter itself. Will try to figure out how to post it for all to read.
RB from Gwinnett
June 27th, 2012
12:42 pm
Jay, what keeps you from going back to Europe and enjoying that socialist utopia you and your fellow liberal create in your minds here every day? Perhaps the fear of it being the lie we keep telling you the evidence of actual European ruin proves it is? Don’t want to pay $1.83/litre for gas? $8€ big Mac meals don’t appeal to you? $250K€ apartment (800 sq ft) without AC doesn’t sound like utopia to you? Don’t want 3 generations living in the same house because nobody’s income can pay the rent?
Delta has several flights every day!
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:42 pm
Bob,
They legalized unlimited corruption and I have been struggling labeling this new America.
I do think we need a name change because most Americans do not even know about billionaires united.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
12:43 pm
Several Dems will vote for contempt. It would be nice to know how many of them have had contact with the NRA in the last two weeks.
I’m sure all 535 Congrefscritters have been in some kind of contact with America’s favorite domestic terror outfit.
carlosgvv
June 27th, 2012
12:44 pm
Scout
Cluborlov – America the grim truth
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
12:44 pm
USMC — “Get off the knob, Joe.”
Grow up, little boy.
“I think Jay can defend himself. He’s a big boy.”
And *you’re* a big boy and are capable of speaking for yourself. Once again, how, precisely, do you think Jay did that? What makes you think he was doing that?
Perhaps you’ve forgotten than an accusation is not, in and of itself, evidence that someone did what they’re accused of doing.
carlosgvv
June 27th, 2012
12:44 pm
Scout
Cluborlov – America the grim truth
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
12:45 pm
Jay, what keeps you from going back to Europe
I think you have him confused with Kyle. Kyle’s the AJC’s token Belgian.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:45 pm
Both,
dems always stab a dem President in the back for reelections.
They don’t march lockstep like the gop did with w.
Lord Help Us
June 27th, 2012
12:46 pm
‘Will try to figure out how to post it for all to read.’
I just googled and it seems to be a combination political hack job and an argument over the technicalities of executive privilege.
Please read the Fortune article when you have a moment. Would like to hear at least one ‘right-leaning’ person square these facts with the course this ’scandal’ has taken.
Jay
June 27th, 2012
12:47 pm
RB, you seem uncommonly interested in running me off or getting me fired.
One would almost think that you were worried.
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
12:47 pm
RB — “Jay, what keeps you from going back to Europe and enjoying that socialist utopia you and your fellow liberal create in your minds here every day?”
How about the fact that we don’t do anything of the sort?
“Don’t want 3 generations living in the same house because nobody’s income can pay the rent?”
You’ve clearly never been to Hawaii. (laughing)
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2012
12:48 pm
Jay – was “DNC” actually GLL trying to sneak back again?
Jay
June 27th, 2012
12:48 pm
“Don’t want 3 generations living in the same house because nobody’s income can pay the rent?”
Yeah, that never happens in America, right?
Jay
June 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
Right idea, wrong person, Dog. A previously banned poster, just not THAT one.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:50 pm
LHS,
It is playing politics.
The gop are mad at Holder for messing up their voter id cheating.
The guv of Penn. let the cat out of the bag when he guaranteed victory because of voter id.
A dad
June 27th, 2012
12:50 pm
Lord help Us – I googled “Issa letter to President” and a link via yahoo.com came up. Click on that and you’ll be able to see the letter in its entirety.
TaxPayer
June 27th, 2012
12:51 pm
No wonder the libs. are upset about donations. If this headline was reversed, you wouldn’t hear a peep.
About what. Transparency.
Lord Help Us
June 27th, 2012
12:51 pm
‘It is playing politics’
The cynic in me thinks the Obama admin may be baiting Issa into shooting a watermelon in his backyard…
shame has no game
June 27th, 2012
12:52 pm
Jay, let your haters be your motivator!! If they do not like the blog or the topics, then do not blog. How simple was that?
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2012
12:52 pm
Thanks Jay – I think that’s the FIRST time I’ve actually read a message that was removed quickly!
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
12:52 pm
$250K€ apartment (800 sq ft)
snort.
Few things are funnier than a dumb troll’s notion of the duress those poor Euros must experience, what with their mass transit, their guaranteed access to health care, their (generally) cleaner and safer cities, longer life expectancies, shorter work weeks, longer paid vacations…
Joseph
June 27th, 2012
12:52 pm
Another day of stumbling and bumbling for Jay Carney…. You gotta think he really hates his boss for putting him through this torment daily because of his failures…
Rightwing Troll
June 27th, 2012
12:53 pm
“Democrats “want to intimidate people into not giving to these conservative efforts,” said Republican strategist Karl Rove on Fox News. “I think it’s shameful.””
I wonder how Turd Blossom feels about “scorecards”?
A dad
June 27th, 2012
12:53 pm
Joe H – if the DOJ is as asttue with money laundering as it was with F&F, I’ll rest my case. re “all due respect”, with that said, we’re all on the same side re transparency. It’s just that I for one, am more skeptical where money in that amount is involved. Having been involved with our government in several ways over a number of years, I just don’t have what appears to be your faith in its abilty to be diligent.
Joseph
June 27th, 2012
12:53 pm
Up to 3 dems now that will hold Holder in contempt….
godless heathen
June 27th, 2012
12:54 pm
Tax: I want to know why you let their comments slide even when you know better. You know, that sort of thing.
Because they didn’t post any links for me to criticize.
getalife
June 27th, 2012
12:55 pm
joey,
Only three?
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
12:55 pm
I didn’t even get into the “3 generations in a house” bit, but really… remember when conservatives claimed to be about traditional family values?
I guess RB’s part of the new generation, who are all about kicking gran and gramps to the curb.
Lord Help Us
June 27th, 2012
12:56 pm
‘Up to 3 dems now that will hold Holder in contempt….’
Are you aware of the facts of the case? Would love to see you post a summary of your perspective…
Matti
June 27th, 2012
12:56 pm
This Supreme Court may well be the catalyst for our next Civil War. No group of people will stand for a double standard forever. People born in America, cutting our teeth and growing up on the rhetoric of freedom and equality? Holding dear the (unsubstantiated) ideal that we ALL matter, and we all have the same rights to a fair chance as anyone else, regardless of the circumstances of our birth and family? Telling Americans to shut up and sit down quietly in the back WILL NOT END WELL.
It might be awhile, but most certainly: the countdown has begun.
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
12:56 pm
Jay,
I will concede that limbaugh has “race baited” past incidents…”drudge” I don’t agree with you, and I tried to watch the Stewart link, but couldn’t. “Fox”(as you originally put it) has been pretty critical of the bullies. You can certainly draw you own conclusion on what may or may not happen in hypothetical situations based on past observances. I assert that you and other media also “race bait” the other way, and I find you calling out certain other media outlets for doing what you do, to be comical and disingenuous. As to you being “unreasonable”, I wrote that as a result of reading both your “race baiting” comment and the ridiculous “Bush/Katrina” comment you made.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
12:58 pm
“Don’t want to pay $1.83/litre for gas?”
yep, I pay a lot for gas – but on the other hand, I haven’t had to fill up for 6 weeks because I take the train everyday.
“$8€ big Mac meals don’t appeal to you?”
on the other hand, we also get to eat food that’s grown a lot closer to home and that ISN’T genetically modified.
“$250K€ apartment (800 sq ft) without AC doesn’t sound like utopia to you?”
then, just like New York, LA, SF or any other major world city – don’t live in the city center.
“Don’t want 3 generations living in the same house because nobody’s income can pay the rent?”
As Jay said, you think this isn’t happening in the US??? (and, frankly, wasn’t the Waltons a shining example of Murican Fambly Values???)
shame has no game
June 27th, 2012
12:59 pm
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
12:56 pm
If your feelings are hurt, why are you still hear? Do you plan to continue to blog here daily?
shame has no game
June 27th, 2012
1:00 pm
why are you still hear?
should be
why are you still here?
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
1:01 pm
A dad — “with that said, we’re all on the same side re transparency. It’s just that I for one, am more skeptical where money in that amount is involved. Having been involved with our government in several ways over a number of years, I just don’t have what appears to be your faith in its abilty to be diligent.”
I do think we’re largely on the same side with respect to transparency, and that’s good.
With respect to having faith in the government, I adhere to President Reagan’s dictum with respect to strategic arms limitation. That dictum was “trust, but verify.” Government’s not perfect, and it’s going to f**k up sometimes. That said, we’re all part of it and we all have a stake in it. And frankly, I don’t want an unelected business (that I can’t affect) overriding my tiny personal stake in government (that I CAN affect).
I think we need more good-faith negotiation from both sides, and less sloganeering and grandstanding. We agree that the economy needs kick-starting and we agree that long-term, our debt is unsustainable. We differ on how to address those problems, but we OUGHT to be able to work it out like adults.
If you and I can come to common ground, then clearly our elected leaders should be expected to do no less.
TaxPayer
June 27th, 2012
1:01 pm
Because they didn’t post any links for me to criticize.
Touche. Although a critique consisting of only 5 ppm leaves room for criticism in and of itself.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
1:01 pm
“their guaranteed access to health care, their (generally) cleaner and safer cities, longer life expectancies, shorter work weeks, longer paid vacations”
welp, I don’t have the shorter work week (in fact, work the same hours now that I used to work when I lived in DC) – but I DO get 25 vacation days a year – and those don’t include sick days.
and, yes, the guaranteed access to health care is an amazing safety net – nice knowing that, if the mister or I should lose our jobs and be sick, we won’t lose our house.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2012
1:02 pm
“why are you still here?”
Yeah, we know. Most of us are mature enough to ignore typos that are easily figured out…unless they are just TOO MUCH FUN to ignore! (I’m still chuckling about Scout being the “lessor of 2 evils”)
Oscar
June 27th, 2012
1:02 pm
Joseph
June 27th, 2012
12:53 pm
Up to 3 dems now that will hold Holder in contempt
________
That is three too many.
Oscar
June 27th, 2012
1:03 pm
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2012
1:02 pm
____
Could I get a copy of the lease agreement that set that up for my files. May need it sometime.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
1:04 pm
Ooooo ! Matti is getting bellicose.
I wonder if she has “fixed bayonets” ?
Jefferson
June 27th, 2012
1:04 pm
UK, you pay for your health care, you earned it. Most of the yahoos against health care think someone is getting off easier than me, childish thought patterns.
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
“Could I get a copy of the lease agreement that set that up for my files. May need it sometime”
I’m still trying to find out which 2 evils he has available for lease
RB from Gwinnett
June 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
I am worried Jay. I’m worried you and your minions will drive us into the same ditch people just like you drove Europe into. Somehow you all keep thinking we can have the socialist state Europe has without the consequences. We can’t and we won’t.
Btw, I didn’t see your reply yesterday. Should we be holding you to the standards of a journalist or not? Or do you want to keep riding the fence; calling yourself one without all those pesky expectations of objectivity and such?
barking frog
June 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
USinUK
“and, frankly, wasn’t the
Waltons a shining example of
Murican Fambly Values???)”
….
still are and now own a big
portion of the world.
shame has no game
June 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2012
1:02 pm
Yeah, we know. Most of us are mature enough to ignore typos
______
Maybe you should have been my English professor!!
Joseph
June 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
getalife:
That’s 3 more than Oblama got for his atrocious healthcare bill that’s about to be struck down…
TaxPayer
June 27th, 2012
1:06 pm
on the other hand, we also get to eat food that’s grown a lot closer to home and that ISN’T genetically modified.
Which by the way takes all the fun out of partys and other gatherings when the conversations veer toward things like how you got those webbed toes or six fingers or unusual appendages and how Monsanto vehemently denies any knowledge of how those memos got out.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
1:06 pm
I don’t have the shorter work week
Yeah, actually, most all of the Euros I’ve worked with over the years put in pretty substantial hours, similar to mine and my colleagues’ stateside.
However, those hourly workers in, say, manufacturing do tend to negotiate better deals than ours do, on that score, and that’s kinda what I had in mind.
josef
June 27th, 2012
1:06 pm
DOGGONE
Love those typos myself…did you catch Both’s the other night when he referred to the “slime margin?” We both got a roll out of it…
Joseph
June 27th, 2012
1:06 pm
Any sensible person would certainly say its been a bad month for Oblama…
Jefferson
June 27th, 2012
1:07 pm
RB, someone will leave the road if you are in the ditch…better think good thoughts,
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
1:07 pm
RB — “Btw, I didn’t see your reply yesterday. Should we be holding you to the standards of a journalist or not? Or do you want to keep riding the fence; calling yourself one without all those pesky expectations of objectivity and such?”
Jay’s an *editorial* writer. Surely this has been explained to you before.
Mighty Righty
June 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
Just think of the reluctance of Republicans to divulge information they don’t deem anyone’s business as a form of “Executive Priviledge” similar to Obama’s claim of “Exectutive Priviledge” over information he had previously denied knowing. No difference. Just a question of whose Ox is..etc.
Steve
June 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
Anyone with half a brain can see that Obama continues to improve in the polls vs Mitten’s magic underpants.
Paul
June 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
A simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ question, just to save myself from the tedium of scanning half a dozen pages when the answer really isn’t in doubt.
Did anyone state a case justifying why megadonors’ names should remain anonymous?
Any one?
Matti
June 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
Scout,
You wish.
Joseph
June 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
July will certainly not be any better because when the job numbers come out Jay and his ilk will be flooding the streets shedding tears doing damage control….
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
Hey Joseph
Tell us what happens after the vote, will ya’?
ty webb
June 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
“if your feelings are hurt, why are you still hear? Do you plan to continue to blog here daily?”
what are these “feelings” you speak of?
JamVet
June 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
I am worried RB. I’m worried you and your braindead heroes will drive us over the same cliff that you did in September 2008. Somehow you all keep thinking we can have a facist/corporatist state without the consequences. We can’t and we won’t.
RB from Gwinnett
June 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
SFD. Your utopia is as close as the new terminal at HJ. When you find all that bs to be the lie it is, don’t come back.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
P.S. to Matti:
We haven’t had our first “Civil War” yet.
It was the “War Between the United (oxymoron) States of America and the Confederate States of America”.
If you libs. decide to take up arms against us conservatives regardless of party, region or state affiliation then that would be a civil (probably uncivil) war ………………
Doggone/GA
June 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
Josef – I missed that one, but I can see the amusement factor was pretty high!
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
“UK, you pay for your health care, you earned it. Most of the yahoos against health care think someone is getting off easier than me, childish thought patterns.”
meanwhile, that’s EXACTLY what’s happening now!! they’re paying for other people’s health care rather than supporting a means for everyone to contribute.
Brosephus™
June 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
Jay’s an *editorial* writer. Surely this has been explained to you before.
That has no effect on him.
——————
Did anyone state a case justifying why megadonors’ names should remain anonymous?
Any one?
Other than the usual “they’ll key my car… threaten me” stuff, nope…
Joe Hussein Mama
June 27th, 2012
1:11 pm
Paul — “Did anyone state a case justifying why megadonors’ names should remain anonymous?
Any one?”
Because . . . because . . . because . . . because SHUT UP, that’s why.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
June 27th, 2012
1:11 pm
Matti @ 1:08
“Dulce Bellum Inexpertis”
Paul
June 27th, 2012
1:12 pm
Steve
Do I detect an underwear fetish?
RB from Gwinnett
June 27th, 2012
1:12 pm
SFD, I’m not referring to taking parents in in lieu of a home. Educate yourself for a change.
TaxPayer
June 27th, 2012
1:13 pm
Did anyone state a case justifying why megadonors’ names should remain anonymous?
I do believe some were worried that the wealthiest would be boycotted and hence scared to send a servant outside to even shop for fresh fracking water, etc.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
1:13 pm
Did anyone state a case justifying why megadonors’ names should remain anonymous?
Any one?
As in, did someone from the hard right actually debate the topic at hand?
When they could be whining about fixing bayonets, or Obama’s allegedly bad month, or Jay’s alleged fealty to things Euroweenieish?
Are you serious?
Jay
June 27th, 2012
1:14 pm
RB, I responded to your “journalism” jibe almost immediately.
In short, you are trying to argue that opinion journalists shouldn’t have opinions. And that’s silly even by your standards.
USinUK - pro-gay-marriage thug and former Girl Scout
June 27th, 2012
1:14 pm
“Euroweenieish”
mmmmmm … Euroweenies and mash with onion gravy ….
godless heathen
June 27th, 2012
1:14 pm
Tax, When Earthworks calls 5 ppb benzene “toxic” it calls into credibility anything else they say. If I begin a post, “Obama is an America hating Muslim” would you give much credence to the rest of my post or assume that it is also bunk?
JamVet
June 27th, 2012
1:14 pm
Scout, nobody likes a traitor. Or a sore loser. (grin)
Paul
June 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
Brosephus
Thanks.
It appears the 1%ers really are cowards. Sad.
Joe Hussein Mama
Well, that’s worked since they were five, so you gotta stick with what works, right?
Matti
June 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
Scout: “If you libs. decide to take up arms against us conservatives regardless of party, region or state affiliation…”
Your grasp of the big picture is weak. Better stick to following orders from your superiors.
Steve
June 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
I’m not Mormon – they’re the ones who have special underwear
Joseph
June 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette:
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/health-care
Jefferson
June 27th, 2012
1:17 pm
Go buy some gas JOSEPH, it will make YOU frown.
TaxPayer
June 27th, 2012
1:17 pm
godless,
earthworks simply took the EPA 5ppb upper limit and labeled it in a way that you disagree with. Got anything else.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
1:17 pm
You know, RB, now that I’ve educated myself, I am just horrified that I might have to spend more for one of those very delicious and so-good-for-you Big Mac Meals if we continue down the road of Jay and Obama’s socialism.
I think I’m ready to come over to your side. Super size me, baybee.
carlosgvv
June 27th, 2012
1:18 pm
RB from Gwinnett – 12:42
We liberals will stay here and work for change from within. Unlike you, we do not have a “cut and run” personality.
stands for decibels
June 27th, 2012
1:19 pm
the new terminal at HJ.
ha ha ha. I forgot, RB, you’re the guy who’s convinced that uppity colored types done kept you down, am I right?
Joseph
June 27th, 2012
1:19 pm
Even a crazy lib admits that the dems skipping the convention is shunning Oblama…
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/06/27/Hilary-Rosen-Slams-McCaskill-For-Skipping-DNC-A-Diss-To-The-President
Granny Godzilla - Union Thugette
June 27th, 2012
1:19 pm
Granny Godzilla – Union Thugette
June 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
Hey Joseph
Tell us what happens after the vote, will ya’?
2nd Request
Paul
June 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
stands
“Are you serious?”
Well, I do hope.
Been here quite a while. I will go on record as saying a number of my views have evolved dramatically. In some cases, changed.
It’s what happens when long-held assumptions are examined relative to the current reality. That which held true 10 or 20 or 30 years ago is not necessarily true today. When questions are asked, no responses worth anything are offered, when data is examined, when rhetoric is examined relative to the record, minds change.
I keep hoping to find a kindred spirit.
Tundra Dude
June 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
inmate #0311/8541:
Your boy is getting creamed, by 15 points, in his home state, Mass.
Don’t think any prez candidate has ever won when losing his own state.
In all fairness, his real home is Cayman Islands,
(home is where the bank is)